"Stefan Hornburg (Racke)" writes:
> Maybe we should focus on porting Perl 5 modules
With the current size of CPAN this is IMHO not the way to go.
A Perl5 embedding interface is more promising.
Pugs had that in a not perfect but usable state. Not sure about
Rakudo.
An embedded Perl5 in Rakudo
Daniel Carrera writes:
> If they are critics to begin with, the size of the test suite will
> not impress them. They could just as well conclude that Perl 6 must
> have a million corner cases and gotchas that have to be tested. I
> have never seen a language review that I thought was worth reading
Wendell Hatcher writes:
> My point is make it a production release so peeps can push it to the
> powers that be in the corporate world.
Valid point.
Will http://packages.debian.org/experimental/rakudo be continued?
> This has been the longest production build in test in the history of
> mankind
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-01 at 14:53 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
>> I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to
>> talk to Fortran 95.
>>
>> I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could
>> write a module to g
On Thu, 2011-06-01 at 14:53 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to
> talk to Fortran 95.
>
> I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could
> write a module to give Rakudo a basic array language. Nothing fancy
Is there
I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to
talk to Fortran 95.
I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could
write a module to give Rakudo a basic array language. Nothing fancy
like MATLAB, NumPy or PDL, but enough to try out algorithms and
prototype id
On 01/05/2011 02:51 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
Let me just give a probably totally irrelevant comment here.
I think most of the open source projects have been in use by
many people in production environment before the project had
a "production release". I guess there are still places that think
Linux
Let me just give a probably totally irrelevant comment here.
I think most of the open source projects have been in use by
many people in production environment before the project had
a "production release". I guess there are still places that think
Linux is not good for their production environment
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 21:04 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> Guy,
>
> Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said
> 'example
> programs'.
What convinced me that rakudo is worth pursuing was the 3-line dice
class with a roll() method. What I do now is 'use fields' and build
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 20:51 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> 'serious project' ???
>
> For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of
> 'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your
> 'serious' aint my 'serious'.
For programming languages, there are
Guy,
Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said 'example
programs'.
I think there are/were perl6 versions for the shootout problems. I am
not sure what happened to them.
Getting benchmarking will be interesting.
Regards,
Richard
On 01/05/11 20:15, Guy Hulbert wrote:
'serious project' ???
For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of
'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your
'serious' aint my 'serious'.
As an aside, it took 358 years to prove Fermat's Last Theorem. Wiles -
who proved it - shut himself away f
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> From what Larry has already said, I dont think he ever will say the Perl 6
> spec is ready. The spec and the language are evolving together. That is what
> the waterfall and attractor stuff was all about.
Not relevant. The question is wh
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 10:24 -0700, Wendell Hatcher wrote:
> I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at
> this point it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in
> their basement.
I'm not sure I said anything to agree with. You seem to misinterpret my
intention.
I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at this point
it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in their basement.
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On 01/05/11 19:48, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only
start to use a language
when it is recommended by 'those in authority'...
I think the issue of a version number is i
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 18:02 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert wrote:
>
> > Rakudo is not listed here:
> > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
> > Fixing that is something I'd like to help with.
> >
> > Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That
, at 6:13 AM, "Anderson, Jim"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hear! Hear!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
>>> To: Richard Hainsw
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> Rakudo is not listed here:
> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
> Fixing that is something I'd like to help with.
>
> Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That tells me that
> the go authors are, in some small way, more serious abo
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only
> start to use a language
> when it is recommended by 'those in authority'...
>
> I think the issue of a version number is irrelevant
1) You have more or less
! Hear!
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Richard Hainsworth
Cc: perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically true, I
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 19:05 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> It seems you may have concluded something not intended.
I was unsurprised at the reaction to your post.
[snip]
> I think the issue of a version number is irrelevant, given the vested
Clearly you were wrong.
[snip]
> For my part, I
essage-
From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Richard Hainsworth
Cc: perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out
that wit
erl.org
> Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
>
> Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out
> that without a definitive release, potential users will tend to avoid
> the software. For people not involved in the process (i.e
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Anderson, Jim wrote:
> Hear! Hear!
Uhmm... sorry if I looked angry or whatever. Email is at times a poor
medium of communication because you lose details like tone of voice
and body language. I just wanted to highlight something that I think
is relevant to anyone wh
Hear! Hear!
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Richard Hainsworth
Cc: perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically
Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out
that without a definitive release, potential users will tend to avoid
the software. For people not involved in the process (i.e. 99.995% of
Perl users) it is impossible to know when the software is good enough
for use. You may talk
So I'd change that to "after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler"
Out of curiosity (because I think it will illuminate some of the difficulty
Rakudo devs have in declaring something to be a "production release"):
- What constitues a "production release"?
- What was the first prod
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> So I'd change that to "after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler"
>
> I think I'll include both answers.
> If we learn that people desperately need a 1.0 numbering then the
> Rakudo developers
> can make up their mind to either change the
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> I think it largely depends on who do you ask and I believe there will
> be a huge gap between private people and company people. Or between
> people who are involved in open source development and in-house developers.
I don't see the open sour
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Chas. Owens wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian wrote:
>> I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before
>> they
>> start using Perl 6.
>>
>> There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just Rakudo. I'm afraid of
>> Raku
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote:
> On 01/01/2011 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> So for example:
>>
>> I'll start learning Perl 6 (select one or more that fits your opinion)
>> *) when Larry Wall declares that Perl 6.0 is ready
>> *) after Rakudo 1.0 is released
>
> Given the cu
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 12:53:17PM +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote:
>>
>> > Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly
>> > unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 22:30 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> >> Thanks. Found that already. It does not list the questions asked and I
> >> can't figure out how to download the PDF report or to clone the
> >> repository it's in on github.
Jan Involdstadt suggested I look at TPF website and following
(a mistakenly private exchange back to the list)
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote:
>> On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 21:51 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm not sure wha
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> I think freezing a subset of what you eventually want to have and then
> getting as close as you can on a fairly tight schedule is the best way
> to get buy-in from users.
That is generally what I expect to see in a production release, yes. I
d
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> Out of curiosity (because I think it will illuminate some of the difficulty
> Rakudo devs have in declaring something to be a "production release"):
>
> - What constitues a "production release"?
The developers judge that the software is
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what 'TPF survey' is.
http://survey.perlfoundation.org/
Gabor
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 20:10 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> It does not, however, answer any of the question_s_ I wanted asked, and
> which others have wanted asked, not even partially.
I haven't seen any such requests from you on this thread. Is this
discussion happening elsewhere as well ?
>
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 19:02, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> Many people seem to be proposing questions which ask people's opinions
> of things which are factual and can be answered readily by reading the
> documentation.
>
> For example, your question can be partly answered by looking at the
> rakudo down
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 18:45 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> You guys stopped discussing the questionnaire a LONG time before PM
> answered. There has hardly been a handful of helpful posts.
That's what I said and that was my first post.
>
>
> Getting back on topic, I, for one, would like to kn
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 06:25:18PM +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 18:05, Guy Hulbert wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 10:27 -0600, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> > - What was the first production release of Linux?
> > - At what point was each of the above decl
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 18:33, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 18:25 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> > At least have the decency to change the e-mail subject when the
> > discussion's
> > subject has changed!
>
> IMO, the subject changed at the second post. I was just responding to P
>
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 18:25 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> At least have the decency to change the e-mail subject when the
> discussion's
> subject has changed!
IMO, the subject changed at the second post. I was just responding to P
Michaud who is the current principal developer of the s/w bein
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 18:05, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 10:27 -0600, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> > - What was the first production release of Linux?
> > - At what point was each of the above declared a "production
> > release";
> > was it concurrent with the release, or s
On Sun, 2011-02-01 at 10:27 -0600, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> - What was the first production release of Linux?
> - At what point was each of the above declared a "production
> release";
> was it concurrent with the release, or some time afterwards?
Linus declared what his goals for 1.0 w
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 12:53:17PM +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote:
>
> > Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly
> > unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1.0.
> >
> > So I'd change that to "after a production release of
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote:
> Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly
> unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1.0.
>
> So I'd change that to "after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler"
People might be expecting that when Rakudo is ready it
On 01/01/2011 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who
> don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0
> release
> or in more general what are the blocking issues for them.
> I just would like to make sure that by asking t
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who
> don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0
> release or in more general what are the blocking issues for them.
> I just would like to make sure that by
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
>
>
> On 01/01/11 03:41, Daniel Carrera wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owens wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian wrote:
I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for
Richard Hainsworth wrote:
Moreover, a survey should be testing perceptions, even if the
perceptions contradict what some feel are facts. It sometimes pays to be
agnostic about what can be counted as a fact to learn how other people
think. Eg., in the real world there are those who perceive as f
On 01/01/11 03:41, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owens wrote:
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian wrote:
I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before they
start using Perl 6.
There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owens wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian wrote:
>> I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before
>> they
>> start using Perl 6.
>>
>> There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just Rakudo. I'm afraid of
>> Raku
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian wrote:
> I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before they
> start using Perl 6.
>
> There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just Rakudo. I'm afraid of
> Rakudo is cancelled, I don't want to make my product based on an un
In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel Carrera
of "Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:20:33 +0100."
> For amusement, below I include the same program
> in FORTRAN II and Fortran 90.
That was delightful -- thanks!
--tom
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 23:02, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should
>> be also questions
>> about Perl 6.
>
> Should Perl 6 be called something else?
> * No
> * Yes, not sure what
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 23:02, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should
> be also questions
> about Perl 6.
Should Perl 6 be called something else?
* No
* Yes, not sure what
* Yes, []
Maybe a question on perceived benefits for an al
ssage-
From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:25 PM
To: Gabor Szabo
Cc: Richard Hainsworth; perl6-users@perl.org
Subject: Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> So in relation to what Kathe
Why use Perl 6 at this time what are the benefits besides what it has done
(Moose-declare) object oriented programming for Perl 5?
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On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:02
Hello there,
I think my opinion would be just about the same as many others is:
1) The preface of specification book states that perl 6 is a NEW language
and it shares ideas with perl 5 and both equally benefit from each other- so
that gives a good question, why should I learn it if both cover the
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 09:03, Moritz Lenz wrote:
snip
> What do you think about the relation between 5 and 6
> * I don't
> * Perl 6 hurts Perl 5
> * Perl 5 benefits from Perl 5
> * The two are mostly independent
snip
As for the third option, I think Perl 5 is hurt by Perl 5, but
benefits fro
Hi,
On 12/29/2010 08:02 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> I'd be happy to get your input on how else would you put this question or
> what possible other answers you would allow.
Here are some very rough ideas:
How much do you know about Perl 6?
* nothing except the name
* some design ideas or history
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> So in relation to what Katherine wrote earlier we should have a
> question trying to figure out what are people waiting for before they
> start using Perl 6.
That's an excellent question. Possible answers:
* I'm waiting for a specific featu
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth
wrote:
> Gabor,
>
> there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How
> about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ?
I agree. Although I don't use Perl 6 in production yet, for Perl 5 I
can say that I've never
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Hainsworth
wrote:
> Gabor,
>
> there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How
> about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ?
>
> How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so as
> to see how m
Gabor,
there is a big gap between 'i wrote snippets' to 'i wrote modules'. How
about 'i have written programs to solve real problems' ?
How about a question on involvement in the perl6 development process, so
as to see how many people are following the process passively, and how
many are con
Hi,
I am preparing a survey of the Perl Ecosystem which will take the TPF
survey and extend it.
We will have questions about usage of Perl 5 and we think there should
be also questions
about Perl 6.
So far I came up with only one:
How much Perl 6 do you know ?
answers:
- none
- I read
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