Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
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[Phono-L] Loran Hughes is updating his server
Hi all, Loran Hughes does all of us at Phono-L a great free service by hosting this mail list and some other phonograph related sites as well. He does this out of the goodness of his heart and for the betterment of the hobby. In the coming weeks he is purchasing a new server to replace his aging current server. This is being done at his own expense and will cost quite a lot. He did not ask me to send this email, but I thought it would be a good thing to do. I would like to appeal to you to consider donating to Loran on his website. On the Phono-L webpage there is a PayPal Donate Now button and a link to a store where you can buy a few mugs and a clock that contain the Phono-L content. http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/ We all owe Loran a lot of thanks and gratitude for his work and expsneses related to hosting the site. Let's help him keep it going! If you can afford even just a few dollars it will all help him offset his costs. Thanks Dan Melvin -- The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. Oscar Wilde ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Charley Hummel edison doll video
http://science.discovery.com/videos/oddities-edison-doll.html You have to watch a commercial, but the entire thing is there and there are great shots of Charley's collection and a nice interview with him. Da -- The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. Oscar Wilde ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Artist Sleeves
I recently acquired a Tamagno record with an original sleeve. I also have a Melba record and sleeve in my collection. I've been trying to do a bit of research about the dates the special sleeve records were produced. How late were they produced and any other special information about them someone might know. Does anyone know of a good resource for information on these records and sleeves? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] ITG Arrives in Oregon
Mine came yesterday too! Dan On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Stan Stanford s...@clarphon.com wrote: I got mine too...in fact, two copies. Stan Stanford Oregon Territory -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:38 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] ITG Arrives in Oregon Got mine today! Definitely worth the wait. Regards, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] In The Groove - sporadic delivery delays
Tim, I have not recieved my copy yet. How long do you want to wait until sending a new one? Daniel Melvin 10835 SW Washington St Portland, OR 97225 d...@old-phonographs.com Thanks Dan On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Tim McCormick d...@themccormicks.com wrote: To Michigan Antique Phonograph Society members: On August 11th, a mailing house in Scottsdale, AZ mailed all of the copies of the August/September issue of In The Groove. We are receiving sporadic reports from some of our members of delivery delays. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. We specifically requested and paid for First Class delivery and cannot understand the delay. In order to prevent this from reoccurring in the future, we will be changing our mailing service provider to one with an in-house US Post Office official and associated US Post Office. In the mean time, those of you that have yet to receive the August/September issue of In The Groove, please E-Mail me at: presid...@maps-itg.org with your name, mailing address and E-Mail address. We will mail replacement copies to any member that has not received their copy in the near future. Thank you, Tim McCormick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] In The Groove - sporadic delivery delays
Sorry group, I replied instead of sending it to Tim... Dan On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com wrote: Tim, I have not recieved my copy yet. How long do you want to wait until sending a new one? Daniel Melvin 10835 SW Washington St Portland, OR 97225 d...@old-phonographs.com Thanks Dan On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Tim McCormick d...@themccormicks.com wrote: To Michigan Antique Phonograph Society members: On August 11th, a mailing house in Scottsdale, AZ mailed all of the copies of the August/September issue of In The Groove. We are receiving sporadic reports from some of our members of delivery delays. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. We specifically requested and paid for First Class delivery and cannot understand the delay. In order to prevent this from reoccurring in the future, we will be changing our mailing service provider to one with an in-house US Post Office official and associated US Post Office. In the mean time, those of you that have yet to receive the August/September issue of In The Groove, please E-Mail me at: presid...@maps-itg.org with your name, mailing address and E-Mail address. We will mail replacement copies to any member that has not received their copy in the near future. Thank you, Tim McCormick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] CAPS
I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] CAPS
I can see Ron's point, but how many people actually see such buys locally? I have an extensive collection of advertising signs but have never even found one locally (well I have found a couple at a quarterly antique show full of out of town dealers in my city). And to find a $1500 lamp phonograph seems like a very unlikely occurance. But, things do come up occasionally for better deals at estate sales and such. I can't see how you could really fill out much of a collection with local buys. At least not in my area. Without knowing others that bring things to my attention and access to the quality that are at the shows, I wouldn't have much of anything. So, yes it would be wonderful to find everything locally for great prices. But, in my experience those deals are few and far between. Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM, ronbr...@aol.com wrote: I attended the Union show and agree with the fact that there was some pretty nice stuff, but I don't necessarily agree that all the prices were all that great (at least not for the stuff I would purchase). I have been looking for a nice phonograph advertising sign for example. I saw one for around $900+. I could have purchased it, but my less spontanous half (my wife :) ) said I should hold off. Long story, short, I was able to find the exact sign from a local individual who new what he had, but charged me only $275. I also had been looking for a phonolamp. This is something the wife always wanted. Again, with a little patience and waiting for the right individual, I found one for $1500 in all original working condition! Not bad. Bottom line, I find more and more that the shows do not necessarily provide the best buys and things aren't that difficult to find if your patient. With the economy as it is, there are more and more people looking to free things up that they have held onto as they need the money. Thus, I go to the shows to look and talk with folks, but do my shopping elsewhere or person to person. just some personal experience...Ron -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 11:16 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I for a friend and it was priced at $725. It had a nice original finish, the parts were all original right down to the slotted crank and little brass bell horn. The nickel finish on the old elbow and tone arm were not great but at $725, the machine should have flown out of the sale. The price was prominently displayed but buyers did not even make an offer. You can't close a sale if there's no sale. Is there anyone on this list with a nice Vic 1 that they'd sell for that amount? The buyers were just not buying. I'll be back next year and hope things are better. Thanks to CAPS for a great effort and thanks to the vendors for a good selection. Thanks to the buyers... well,thanks for nearly nothing! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono
Re: [Phono-L] Union Photos Posted at WIMAPS website
Great pictures! On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.comwrote: Greetings, We would like to share photos and the following report of the Union 2010 show and sale. June 12, 2010 collectors met at the 35th phonograph music box show and sale. But it was really 46 years ago that The Early Talking Machine Club of America was founded in 1964 by Larry Donley and Glen Oaldon, who ran a Chicago Tribune ad looking to start a club. The first few meetings were at Oaldon's house with about 5 members. Larry Donley had a gas station on 26th St.and Berwyn with a sign in the window wanting phonographs. Phonographs were common in antique shops (brass belled horn machines $35.00 and wood horn Victors for $75.00) but there were no flea markets yet. The first Union Show was organized in 1975 by Larry Donley with a handful of club members and dealers. This has grown to the largest phonograph show in the country with dealers coming from many states across the US and countries abroad. The Donley boys, Randy and Mike have kept the tradition going by putting together one of the biggest and best phonograph and music box sale in the world. We thanked the Donley boys by having them dance to the music of a custom made phonograph toy created for the enjoyment and amazement of the Union crowd. The one of a kind commemorative dancers were auctioned off with profits to benefit the Edison Birthplace Museum, Milan, Ohio and the Friends of Edison, Edison National Historic Park, Orange, NJ. We wished Larry Donley a happy 80th birthday as we celebrated the 35th Union Show. Visit www.wimaps.org to view photos of friends and activities that took place at Union, June 11-13, 2010. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] union
I'm at the show and word here is that the pre show was poorly attended
and many doubt it will occur again. As for the whole story I know a
few things but not the while story. Isuspectvi know who is behind it
but I'll leave that to those that can confirm things. I think
darrells assessment is very thougtful and right on the money. The show
should not have and does not deserve a second show as competition.
It's upsurd. I love the union show and it was large and well attended
this year. Lots of unsold good deals so far but I suspect last minute
finished deals will happen Sunday.
Dan
On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com
wrote:
I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS -
but if it's what it sounded like, the two individuals mentioned
don't just own a home down the street - they wouldn't be anywhere
near where they are today if it weren't for Union. And to attempt to
suck off the cream a day in advance is simply done out of
selfishness and greed. If it's such a pure entrepreneurial effort,
do it the same day!
Does anybody know who's behind the church gathering? Is this the
event we're discussing?
=
bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:
What if I owned a home right down the street from the Union show
and wanted to have my big yard sale that day, and sell some
phonographs and records out of my collection, and invited some
friends who were visiting Union from out of Town to join me. Would
you consider that ripping off the Donleys ? My little yard sale of
phono stuff is certainly not going to keep collectors from visiting
the Union show and paying their admission charge. This sort of
thing happens everywhere. Up here in the northeast we have the
Giant Flea Market in Brimfield every year just north of Sturbridge,
and for a wholeweek the locals have their little offshoots of the
giant flea market at homes and fields and and whatever open space
there is throughout the area, but it certainly doesn't keep people
from visiting the big Brimfield event. It is just part of the free
enterprise system. Sure these folks are feeding off of the big
event, but that is life. No one has a monopoly on free enterprise
and the
en
treprenerial spirit. There aren't cops out there, taking down
license numbers and checking folks out like the FBI and passing
names along so they can be blackballed by the owners of the big
event.
- Original Message -
From: Darrell Lehmannickja...@gmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:30:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
These folks have spent 30+ years building Union from a couple
circus
tents to what it is today. They've served the sellers magnificently
and
have every right to preserve the integrity of the show for the
buyers.
To start something extra the day before the main event is selfish,
greedy AND unethical! And ANYONE who does so should be blackballed by
the Donley's as well as by sellers and buyers!! If another show is
needed, do it the week-end before or after and let the public
decide -
don't rip-off somebody elses efforts.
best, Darrell
=
bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:
So it appears these folks want to be the only game in town? and
are blackballing anyone who dares to start there own little
trading and selling station, even when it is seperate and apart
from their own operation ? That is highly unethical and down right
arrogant. Of course this could merely be one of those rumors that
gets going, based solely on hear say, and snowballs out of sight.
So let's get all of the facts before we all jump on this.
- Original Message -
From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:06:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union
That{But if they are at the Hess Gas Station down the Street, or
have
rented some space at some ball field, then what's the problem ??
Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why should someone claim a
monopoly
on the whole area just based on tradition.} was the question
raised the
last time as I remember.
If you remember back several years there used to be an auction on
Thursday night and this issue did not really surface until the
auction
went away.
bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:
I see. Certainly if some folks are using the parking lot, that
would be a problem. But if they are at the Hess Gas Station down
the Street, or have rented some space at some ball field, then
what's the problem ?? Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why
should someone claim a monopoly on the whole area just based on
tradition.
- Original Message -
From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010
Re: [Phono-L] union
Paul was here. Kurt was not. Dan On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:01 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hi all i hear paul baker and kurt knauck were banned from union for setting up a new show has anyone heard of this too paul tried this five years ago i know and had to apologize to the union attendees anyone else heard this zono ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 14 Old King Cole Nipper For Sale
Did you get your computer working again or buy a new one? Dan On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:56 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I am selling a 1920's Old King Cole paper mache Nipper. He 14 tall and looks very good with a little front mount machine. He's very nice and original and has the Old King Cole label on the bottom of his front foot. The price is $525 and I'm happy to deliver it to Union. If interested or have questions please CALL (my laptop is down) 541-990-0781. Thanks, Jerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
I have used them for 10 years and have no complaints and have never encountered a bad needle. Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: All the APSCO loud and soft tone needles I've ever examined have been smooth and shiny. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:17 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I bought needles from APSCO in the past but I didn't like them. Under a magnifier the surfaces were very rough and I didn't like the sound. They may have changed suppliers since, however. It was convenient that they were prepackaged though. I'd give them another try. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:08:39 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I have bought tickets from APSCO and they have been very reliable. http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] SLIGHT delay in April In The Groove
Groan... On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: What a load of crap ;) Seriously, hope Phil is feeling better! Loran On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:40 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: Just got this from Phil Stewart who asked me to pass this on: Steve Howdy: Just getting over a rather uncomfortable intestinal thing which lasted almost a week. This on the heels of our printer going on vacation. In short, ITG will not be mailed until next week. Please let folks know that I was on the job as soon as I got off the commode. Phil ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
Mahagony... On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Who or what is Magh? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of brice paris Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:05 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff Loren Please list the following message: Phonograph Greatings from Southern Oregon : I am looking for a two piece VTLA tone arm bracket. Will trade or pay a fair price for one. I also have an outstanding quartersawn oak bombay sided puritan that I am willing to part with , will will sell or trade for a mint original maghony Puritan. I am also getting ready to have my normal spring clearance pre Union sale of some pretty nice machines. I will be offering for sale , Magh VTLA and or L dr 16, early Magh 14, vic 5, vic 3, spider leg 10, vic O, Edison maroon and balck gem, firesides, standards, homes and triumphs, large fancy wicker upright (the best I have ever seen), and maybe an magh Opera, victrola XX, and a fat victrola 16 Vernie martin, to name a few. If you have an interest or can help with the VTLA part , please contact me off list at 541 690 8695 or email me at paris_br...@yahoo.com. Thanks and happy collecting. brice ps I will be traveling to Union from Southern Oregon in june and can deliver or bring any of these items free , or can haul things to or from Union or any place in between for maybe a tank of fuel or ? Please let me know if I can help out.Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software
I think if eBay were to remove the word Auction from anything they put out the issue might go away. It is really an online store, not an online auction. Auctions don't come with Buy it Now and fixed end times. So, perhaps they should just change everything to snipe bidding or just have people post things for sale. It would remove the pretense of an auction from the equation. Dan -- From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software But if you were willing to pay more than $200 if there was a bit higher, then you should put that higher bid into the snipe program. If you put the truly highest price you're willing to pay into the program you'll never lose on an item you were willing to pay more for. On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:25:53 -0500 s.l. rexrode seymorep...@hotmail.com writes: Sniping is common practice because I feel eBay has set things up this way. Years ago, I suggestedto eBay that they conduct their auctions more like real life auctions. This could easily be done if eBay wouldextend an auction 5 minutes if any bid came in during the last 5 minutes of an auction (or x number of minutes).This would simulate real auctions by the common practice of the going...goinggone method of selling.Bidders could still bid up to their maximum and I feel the seller would get the best price this way. Perhaps if eBayinstituted this method of selling, most of the bids would come in at the end, but then again many eBay auctionssee a flurry of activity at the end. If I bid, say $200 (whether on eBay or a live auction) and the next bidder came in at $201, chances are I would consider bidding $202 (or higher) depending upon how bad I wanted that item. Attimes, it would be nice to have a second (or third) chance at something.on eBay that is. Lee Rexrode Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=9qVuGy7Ys6TF3HHSXY5ETgAAJ1D2EGWQJgc2Zfu3rGBZpu80AAYAAADNAAAXeAA= ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] VTLA
I have one and it uses a medium sized key that I have heard called either a Sewing Machine key or an Organ key. I have seen them with square ends and triagular ends that fit in the hole. I don't remember off the top of my head if mine is sqare or triangle. I'll look tonight. The following link has a picture similar to what you need to look for. http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39068475 Dan On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Larry Strong l.str...@mchsi.com wrote: Recently acquired a Flat top VTLA and I'm looking for a key for the front of the Victrola. any help would be appreciated in acquiring the key. Serial number of my VTLA is 1989. Larry Strong ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] VTLA
There are a number of ebay auctions up right now for these. Here's one with a few keys really cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-Sewing-Machine-Clock-Piano-Triangle-Square-Keys_W0QQitemZ140380830109QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20af59799d Dan On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Larry Strong l.str...@mchsi.com wrote: Recently acquired a Flat top VTLA and I'm looking for a key for the front of the Victrola. any help would be appreciated in acquiring the key. Serial number of my VTLA is 1989. Larry Strong ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for information about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan - Original Message - From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: [snip] Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as with it when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. Antique is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
Here is the wikipedia entry for Antique. If you read the definition section I think there is some merit in the 25 year old item. But, I had always heard 100 years too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique Dan - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. Robert Wright wrote: I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of antique to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not match the tariff. If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain to deal with unless it was registered mail. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Electiric motor shutoff question
Does anyone have any information on the rather complicated geared switch mechinism on an electric Columbia motor? I have a machine where that mechinism seems to have frozen up which was keeping the motor from running. I took it apart and stared at it quite a lot and cannot even figure out how it works. It has a bunch of gears and a cam that turns the motor off and on. To get the machine working I disconnected the gear attached to the tonearm and rigged a manual switch for the motor. It works great, but I would really like to restore the original switch mechinism if anyone has suggestions or information on it. I have all the original parts, but the switch lost me in the dust. And, I thought Edison made complicated machines! This switch is amazing. Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Friend needs advice on Victor MS on eBay
I think $835 is a true deal. A screaming deal! Much less than 1/2 of what there were going for just a few years ago. I still think they are worth considerably more, but who know how much now. It just depends on who it looking and the shape it's in. Dan - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Friend needs advice on Victor MS on eBay It went for $835 . I'd sell mine for less than that, and I have everything but a horn. Didn't know they were so desirable ... - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Friend needs advice on Victor MS on eBay Hi All Hope you're having a stress free holiday season so far! A friend of mine wants to buy an MS that is on eBay right now, but I have reservations. It has the holes exposed for the front mount hardware (no plug), and it has holes from a back bracket, but it is a three hole pattern like a Columbia back bracket would have. Also it has a turntable hold down (but no turntable) and the early spring brake, which are correct. Would this have had a 7 inch turntable? And not having seen a Victor rigid arm back bracket, did it have two holes or three? The guy says the crank is original which it is obviously not, so I am curious as to if this is not a wise buy (I expect it is not). Here is the number 330387159356. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Need Contact Info
Try this website... http://www.mulhollandpress.com/index.htm Dan On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nipper nippe...@comcast.net wrote: Hi you all I am looking the Contact info for Mr. Robert Baumbach , If anyone has it please email it to nippe...@comcast.net Thank you Nick Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas A. Edison Bark, bark, bark, bark. Growl. Sniff. Sniff. bark, roof, roof, howl. lick. Nipper ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 150
Here is a link on tinfoi.com to a good lesson on packing and shipping cylinders. It's kind of fun to watch and is good information. http://tinfoil.com/outtakes.htm Dan On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have not found a shure fire way yet, of shipping cylinders, I now try to by the eggs that come in a square with the 2 carton sides, and wrap my cylinder boxes in that and tape them up real good, then bubble wrap around that. The inside has bubble wrap between the 3 rows of blanks. There is nothing as disheartning as sending out a dozen cylinders which all an all is 12 hours of work, and a month of setting. I usually double the insuance on them so the customer can get there money back if they do arrive broken. I much rather hand deliver them than ship them. I sell them in storage boxes that have 12 tube pegs in them. I am a father raising children so I do not make as many anymore, and do not accept any orders, what I sell I make when I can.I estimated that in the New York adventure, I had almost $300,000.00 worth of material stolen from me. Never been quite able to recover from that, I work for DHS making $9.25/h does not leave much to do phonographs. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer?
This is the correct reproducer for the Vic O and for the very early Victrola IV with the metal grill. It should go for a good amount. It's a hard reproducer to find and is very desierable. It's mentioned in the Victor Data Book if I remember right. Dan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Bob rvu...@comcast.net wrote: Saw this on eBay item #130322015477. Not in any books I've ever seen. What do you think? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] RCA History
Great fun! Thanks for the link. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.comwrote: Gents, Interesting article about the RCA Company history and fundraiser for the Camden County Historical Society http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews140.shtml Good story, have fun, Jack Whelan _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Reproducers for sale
Rebuilt Victrola No. 2 - $55 Nickel finish. New gaskets, mica and back rubber gasket. Orthophonic reporducer - $140 Gold finish, but much of the gold is worn off. From an early Cradenza machine. From what I understand it is a pot metal version. Sounds great. No rattling or distortion. Pictures available on request. Contact me off-list. Shipping cost included. Dan Melvin Visit the OTAPS website: http://otaps.org/ (Now iPhone and iPod Touch enhanced) From zonophone2...@aol.com Sat Apr 25 19:11:47 2009 From: zonophone2...@aol.com (zonophone2...@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 25 19:17:25 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: 4/24 update: Ken Woodbury Message-ID: cbd.3f35e789.37251...@aol.com he usually just does shows he is in keene nh not sure of the address but will try to find it i have been there a few times good dealer to know as i have known him for about 25 years In a message dated 4/25/2009 2:19:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lhera...@bu.edu writes: Where might get-well cards be sent? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:28 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: 4/24 update: Ken Woodbury here is the latest on ken woodbury Hello again, everyone. Here is the news I received today from Fred about Kenny's progress. I think it sounds promising, considering how precarious the situation was on Sunday night. Glen G. in VT Hi Glen Thank you for your calls and your thoughts. I'm sorry to take this much time to respond. Kenny is maintaining as well as he can and they are keeping him under a sedation induced coma. He is unable to speak because of the breathing tubes and all. They bring him out of the coma about every 6-8 hours to make sure he responds to commands. It is expected that he will undergo open heart surgery for a triple bypass on Monday. I was down there until last night and I had to be back for some rather necessary chores. I will be going back for the surgery and stay as long as need be. They woke him just before I left, and he saw me. They say he smiled, and he squeezed my hand real hard about 5 times. The staff there is awesome. He is very lucky to have such nice people around him. They all love him and tell him so constantly. The Doctors are terrific. He has a friend and customer, Dave Nochimson, who you may know, and he is in contact with the Doctors there and knows many of them. He went to visit him yesterday and called me to say that it looks real good for Kenny. He will be back there next week. I hope Kenny knows how many people love him and really care. Everyone has been extremely nice to me as well. Thank you again and I will be in touch. Please feel free to pass on any or all information to his friends that you are in contact with. Fred **Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown0027) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown0027) From zonophone2...@aol.com Sun Apr 26 07:18:47 2009 From: zonophone2...@aol.com (zonophone2...@aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 26 07:19:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: 4/24 update: Ken Woodbury Message-ID: c58.41d1f070.3725c...@aol.com here is kens address Name: Ken Woodbury Home: 218 Concord Road, Keene, NH 03431 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?where1=218%20Concord%20Road,%20Keene,%20NH%2003431mkt=en-us) In a message dated 4/25/2009 10:25:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zonophone2...@aol.com writes: he usually just does shows he is in keene nh not sure of the address but will try to find it i have been there a few times good dealer to know as i have known him for about 25 years In a message dated 4/25/2009 2:19:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lhera...@bu.edu writes: Where might get-well cards be sent? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:28 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: 4/24 update: Ken Woodbury here is the latest on ken woodbury Hello again, everyone. Here is the news I received today from Fred about Kenny's progress. I think it sounds promising, considering how precarious the situation was on Sunday night. Glen G. in VT Hi Glen Thank you for your calls and your thoughts. I'm sorry to take this much time to respond. Kenny is
[Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question
I am looking for information on how to tell a Brass Victor Orthophonic reproducer from one that is made of pot metal. I have heard a few things from other collectors, but am still not clear how the distinction and be made when looking at one. Is there a for sure tell tale sign on them? Thanks Dan From john9...@pacbell.net Mon Apr 20 09:41:16 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Apr 20 09:41:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question In-Reply-To: d14f697b0904200936y6f58f264m33134c5668a33...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 417288.90118...@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com On all the brass ones I have ever seen/owned,?the?lettering on the back is engraved into the surface, and does not stand out in relief (meaning projecting out from the surface). Also the surface of the back will be very smooth as opposed to somewhat rough as the pot metal ones usually are. John Robles --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com wrote: From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:36 AM I am looking for information on how to tell a Brass Victor Orthophonic reproducer from one that is made of pot metal. I have heard a few things from other collectors, but am still not clear how the distinction and be made when looking at one. Is there a for sure tell tale sign on them? Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smst...@gmail.com Mon Apr 20 09:46:05 2009 From: smst...@gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Mon Apr 20 09:46:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question In-Reply-To: 417288.90118...@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com References: d14f697b0904200936y6f58f264m33134c5668a33...@mail.gmail.com 417288.90118...@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com Message-ID: 7e8e90ff0904200946x5fdba026ybc4fb7de9aac1...@mail.gmail.com I'll share in the mystery. Wasn't the number of cut out teardrops cut in the reproducers faceplate one way. Seven vs five or something like that? Mike oldcranky On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: On all the brass ones I have ever seen/owned, the lettering on the back is engraved into the surface, and does not stand out in relief (meaning projecting out from the surface). Also the surface of the back will be very smooth as opposed to somewhat rough as the pot metal ones usually are. John Robles --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com wrote: From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:36 AM I am looking for information on how to tell a Brass Victor Orthophonic reproducer from one that is made of pot metal. I have heard a few things from other collectors, but am still not clear how the distinction and be made when looking at one. Is there a for sure tell tale sign on them? Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From victr...@triton.net Mon Apr 20 11:03:42 2009 From: victr...@triton.net (George) Date: Mon Apr 20 11:04:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question References: d14f697b0904200936y6f58f264m33134c5668a33...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 7098e927df034512b31b27403491c...@valuedcb7d4c82 Till you see them side by side it might be tough. The brass always have a steel needle bar body painted black where as the potmetal is all cast as one piece. also the number of tear drop holes differ and the design where the needle bar comes though is different between the 2. The back side of the potmetal versions have raised lettering while the brass version have imprinted lettering. If looking to buy be careful of brass versions with potmetal screw in rings. These are almost always stuck tight and can only be disassembled by grinding out the ring. You then have to hunt for another. George - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Question I am looking for information on how to tell a Brass Victor Orthophonic reproducer from one that is made of pot metal. I have heard a few things from other collectors, but am still not clear how the distinction and be made when looking at one. Is there a for sure tell tale sign on them? Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Phono forum problem
Try this... http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/ Dan On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Raymond Wilenzick wilenz...@bellsouth.netwrote: I have tried to load the following phonograph forum advertised in MAPS and CAPS, but no luck. Have others had this problem? http://victrolagramophone.proboards.com/ Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Wed Mar 11 16:44:28 2009 From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Wed Mar 11 16:44:30 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem References: 000801c9a293$1f8a9d80$6401a...@wilenzick d14f697b0903111601t791457dfrcc868255a7d6a...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 001801c9a2a3$520f4070$6401a...@wilenzick That works. Thanks. I had left out the s in gramophones. Ray - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Try this... http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/ Dan On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Raymond Wilenzick wilenz...@bellsouth.netwrote: I have tried to load the following phonograph forum advertised in MAPS and CAPS, but no luck. Have others had this problem? http://victrolagramophone.proboards.com/ Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Ragtime Fabrizio
Michael, If you make them I will definately buy one at Union! Dan - Original Message - From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ragtime Fabrizio H, Giving me ideas eh??? Michael K. (cyldoc) - Original Message - From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] More crooks on Ebay isnt a ragtime fabrizio at tims birthday party at union lol best to all In a message dated 11/8/2008 4:02:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Aph4990 at aol.com writes: Ok I'll bite-- What's a Ragtime Fabrizio? ---Art **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http: //searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Ragtime Fabrizio
How can we work Shamandy into all this. Is George or Tim going to wear the dress and feather hat? Dan - Original Message - From: phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ragtime Fabrizio Don't I have something to say about this??? But I DO like the Ragtime Oliphants--- instead of the Boxers, you have the Oliphant brothers. The same set-up could be used with Ragtime Fabrizio Paul --- except they'd be hitting each other with books. Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes
But IE is the most used browser in the world... - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes Firefox thought it was fine. Time to upgrade. IE is not standards compliant and this causes problems. Kat Hall wrote: I went in to take a look and the words and pics are overlapping. Internet Explorer is the browser that I use and I have Windows Vista Home Premium operating system. From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.thewritersvineyard.com -- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrecord at snet.net Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes Hi Folks, I had mentioned when I first posted about these Edison boxes that I would be putting pictures up on my website. They are finally there. www.majesticrecord.com/labelsedison.htm If you're interested in 78 rpm record labels in general I've added a couple hundred in the past month. I've now crossed a barrier that I didn't think I would - it's over 1000, close to 1100 images up on the label pages. If you happen to check it out I'm interested to know whether you have difficulties viewing the pages. I had someone say that the words were overlapping the images on their browser. I've tried it on several and have never seen a problem. If you do see a problem please let me know browser and oeprating system. Thanks. Label entry page is here: www.majesticrecord.com/labels.htm As for the site I still have a lot of work to clean it up a bit and write things about each label. Cheers, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?
I've gotten to the point where I rarely buy anything on ebay if the seller does not take paypal. The only issues I have had (and there have been very few) with ebay have not involved paypal. I consider it a safe and secure way to pay for online merchandise. It keeps my credit card and bank account information from being exposed and eliminates any potential issue of a seller saying I did not pay because there is a clear and easy to find trail for all paypal transactions. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Jim Nichol jnichol at fuse.net wrote: What problems? I have never heard of Paypal problems. I consider my Paypal account to be far more secure than using a credit card. (you can get a credit card number stolen or misused by any dishonest merchant). Whereas I don't know of anyway to misuse Paypal. Jim On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:11 AM, David Dazer wrote: I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Cheap Opera
With the outrageous buyers premium of 22.5% the prices goes up a bit, but still a good price for the Opera. Does anyone actually pay these high buyer premiums? I would never pay them that much money for something they already make money on. It is such a rip off. Dan - Original Message - From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cheap Opera I'm surprised that most of the fabulous phonos at the Skinner auction didn't bring more. This Opera with Music Master horn only brought $3500. Assuming these phonos were in good condition, which you couldn't really tell from the skimpy photos that were provided, the prices seem surprisingly low: http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/811-Edison-Opera-Phonograph-Type-SM-Model-A-No-981_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a552Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem220266997472QQitemZ220266997472 Ditto the Vic VI with speartip horn, the Victrola XVIII, and the Edison Triumph E with 11 panel cygnet - the horn alone was worth the $950 price. That Columbia BC with huge horn was a steal at $1600. Assuming that 42 inch horn is correct and original, it's rare and unique to the BC having a large throat to connect to the large BC reproducer. The only thing that seemed to go high was the Class M, and that was said to be a cob job with a Triumph top and customized idler pulleys, yet it went for 22 grand. I guess the hard times have finally hit the hi end phono market. Apparently only the VERY RARE stuff is still commanding big bux. I guess when you've already got all the merely rare stuff, you've by definition got too much money, so you don't bat an eye when a super-rare piece crosses your path. Jeeves, bring the checkbook 'round. I've just seen a trinket I don't yet have. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Need info on Geaorge A. Copeland
This sounds like a classic scam. I would not send money. If indeed he needed your help I would think he would have called you on the phone directly. I don't know him, but I don't think there is any chance this email is real. Dan - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Need info on Geaorge A. Copeland Yesterday, I received an e-mail message, not addressed to me personally, represented as being from the well known record collector discographer George A.. Copeland claiming that he was in London, his money passport had been stolen saying he needed 900 Pounds asking the recipient to help. I have bought records from Mr. Copeland but have never met him or spoken to him on the telephone.I am pleased with the records I have obtained from him find him to be trustworthy in all the dealings that I have had with him. If he is truly in trouble I would try to help.However, these messages appear to me to be a scam.He moved a few months ago I do not know his new physical address or current telephone number, having in the last few months only been in touch with him via e-mail. A message sent to his e-mail asking if the appeal was really from him drew a reply from a slightly different e-mail address. I am not that computer savy, but fear that Mr. Copeland may be a victim of identity theft. I hesitate to try to send any funds. Do any of you know Mr. Copeland's new physical address current telephone number? Have any of you received the appeal purporting to be from him stranded in London? Thanks for any help you all may be able to provide in sorting out this matter. Jim Cartwright jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] zinc horn
My Victor R has a zinc bell horn. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Zonophone2006 at aol.com wrote: hello all i just got back from vermont and bought a 30 inch bell zinc horn i have a witches one now but wondered how many of the zincs are out there anyone else have any i am sure george or tim must best to all zono **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor Credenza parts
I might be intrested in the motor and crank if you have them. Was the motor on the right side or in the middle? Also, do you have the motor board pullup knobs? On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Barry Kasindorf barry at barrykasindorf.com wrote: Hi, I have parted out a 2 door Credenza and have case parts, horn, motor etc available if anyone needs parts before I Ebay them. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] For Sale: Victrola XVII (seventeen), free delivery to Union
I am selling a very nice all original Victrola XVII for $1000. It is available for free delivery to Union! If interested in pictures or more information email me off list or call at 503 880 0923 (pacific time). Thanks Dan
[Phono-L] Researchers Play Tune Recorded Before Edison
I can't find my reference but I think I heard somewhere that there were phonoautograph recordings of President Lincoln made in the 1860s. Anyone else heard of that? I might not be remembering it correclty. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM, gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Loran, Thanks very much for passing this along. I had been wondering where David was all winter! This is a significant development in recorded sound research, and should put to rest (at least until an earlier phonautographic tracing is found) the question of the world's oldest playable recording. This is one of the few times I'm thankful for computer-based technology - - and isn't it an ironic relationship? George Paul ? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jim...@earthlink.net Thu Mar 27 18:35:35 2008 From: jim...@earthlink.net (jim...@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Mar 27 18:35:57 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 Message-ID: 380-22008352813535...@earthlink.net Dear Doug, I hope your mono MacIntosh preamp is the C-8 Record Compensator which has ten switches that can be set to compensate for many recording curves. Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 3/26/2008 10:42:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 Greg; Yeah, I have a pair of those beasts in the living room. These are the Patrician IV, which have the 18 inch woofer, Klipsch loaded. They're being driven by a Fisher 800C. Like the guy in your message, I like to play George Wright recordings on them. He's pretty generous with the 32 foot pipes, and the E-V's go down below sound, and put the room in motion, or so it feels. They're seismic. Now, sit down and hang on for this one. The living room ones are in mahogany factory furniture. There are two others in the basement that were kits in their beginnings. I have my miscellaneous amplifiers and tape and disc players there. I haven't used the first one down there for a while, but it's patched to a Brook 10A all triode amplifier with a companion preamp. A friend from Massachusetts and I were fooling around with that stuff a few years ago, decided to buck the Patrician (I had only one at the time) against one of my Altec A-7's. The Altecs were fine speakers, but the Patrician blew the A-7 out of the water. As good as the A-7's were they couldn't keep up with the E-V's. Because of space needs downstairs, I had to sell the Altecs. You want another? I have a collection of about 6000 78 discs. They're in cabinets in the basement. For auditioning the records, I have a Garrard transcription table, playing into a Mcintosh mono preamp, feeding a Mac 30 amplifier. It drives an E-V 12TRXB in an Aristocrat cabinet. It brings out the best in the shellac platters. Audio stuff is a lot of fun. [Original Message] From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 3/26/2008 5:32:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 Doug, have you got a PAIR of Patricians? You're only the second guy I've heard of to own them. For those who don't know what these are, they were 4-way HUGE loudspeaker systems that employed a 30-inch! woofer in a corner-horn enclosure that was vastly efficient. My friend who had them in his basement could blow the windows out of the house with about 8 watts of audio per each. Needless to say, he liked to play pipe organ music. LOUD :o) Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 Thanks, Albert. I have one of those amplifiers, and I plan on re-capping it. I worked in a radio store when I was a kid, and they had a record counter. The audition amplifier was one of that model and, as you said, it sounded good. Speaking in general terms, frequency response in Juke boxes was strongly peaked in the low end. The customers loved it, and I'm sure that the restaurant owners had the treble turned all the way to full cut. Anyway, that amp will probably sound good with a preamp, such as a Fisher 80 nseries feeding it. I have a feeling that it's better than commonly thought. It's all about the transformers in it. Some time, immediately
[Phono-L] Shellac records and damage from steel needles
Sounds like you folks who would never play an old record on original equipment shouldn't play them on anything that creates drag, wear, damage, etc. Perhaps you should consider the purchase the really cool and really expensive laser player. I saw it demoed at the CAPS show a few years ago. Nothing but light when you play records on that machine. But, not very affordable (many thousands if I remember correctly). I would think the records would never wear out if played on this equipment. The biggest risk would just be the risk of breaking the record getting to the machine. I don't collect particuallary rare records. I have a modest collection of records that work well on my original machines. I have a handful I keep hidden away and never play that are rare. But, that isn't interesting to me. I have several CDs I have purchased that are digital captures of records and they are nice enough. But, for me hearing Caruso on my 1905 Vic VI is far more satisying than hearing the digital capture on my stereo. No matter how good the transfer might be. That might not be as true for some of the later electronically recorded music. But, I listen mainly to acoustic music anyway. It's all perspective and interest. And as we all know if we shop much for records, most old records can't be given away let alone be considered rare. I promise I won't ruin any rare records (as I don't owm many), but I won't likely listen to any of my records on anything but oringial equipment. Just my preference. Dan On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone ever said that no wear (not damage-the choice of terms shows a prejudice) to a record occurs. Au contraire, dear Ron, it is eBay seller nickjay (or that's what he used to go by) who has said in no uncertain terms that he believes ZERO damage (or wear) happens with a single playback with a new steel needle. So yes, I'm afraid someone has said it, and I'm sure he's not the only true believer out there, as Rich pointed out. I'm suprised by the strongly defensive stance you take on behalf of steel needles, though I know you must have your reasons. But no amount of positive semantics replacing my negatively prejudiced choice of terms is going to reduce the amount of shellac dust I find all over the tip of every brand new soft-tone steel needle I play a shellac record with, so the terms really don't make any difference in the real world. I absolutely agree that optimal set-up on any machine reduces wear to a minimum (that's most of what the set-up is for, as minimum wear often equals optimum sound), but I was pointing out the one aspect of pivoted playback that the purveyors of this myth seem to be either ignorant or unaware: that azimuth error reduces the new needles wear down to precisely match the groove and cause little to no wear after the first few grooves theory to bunk. I also agree some machines had better designs than others. I know a lot of earlier, outside-horn machines had tonearms that were pretty darn long; every millimeter of added distance between the pivot point and the needle tip helps correct the azimuth error by some degree. I don't know how much heavier or lighter these older machines register at the needle tip, but I'd be willing to bet records suffered less wear played on them with new needles than on newer, shorter-tonearm'd models. (Unless, of course, there was very little compliance at the needle shank pivot on the older machines... I wouldn't know, I've never messed with any of them.) What I don't agree with is there being some great difference between wear and damage -- wear IS damage as far as I'm concerned, whether expected or not. Frankly, who among us makes such a distinction when considering buying a record that we later find out has almost completely greyed-out grooves? Who among us minds the occasional edge chip or flake? I fully expect those with shellac discs, as a part of normal use involves handling, and normal handling includes the occasional, accidental chipping of a record edge. No, I say it's a matter of simple semantics, none of which make any real difference -- but by all means, use whatever terms suit you, as will I. Lastly, a bit of quick clarification: regarding Edison DD's and the reasons for their relative lack of wear through playing, Pathe discs, unlike Edison DD's, are made of the same stuff as lateral shellac discs (minus the diamond dust, I'm assuming), and the only Pathe's I find with groove damage have obviously been played on a lateral machine with a steel needle at least once (it's a very obvious look the surface has when subjected to such numbskullery). As I said, Pathe's sapphire ball stylus machines offered exactly the same tip profile to the groove regardless of position and/or angle of the soundbox, because it was spherical; as such, I've never seen a clean vertical Pathe disc in the middle
[Phono-L] Paul Morris
The November In The Groove has an e-mail for him. musicu...@yahoo.co.uk - Original Message - From: c5...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Paul Morris Does anybody have an e-mail address for Paul Morris in England? He makes the reproduction 5 cylinders. Thanks **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral
Anyone know what happened to the records after being locked up? Do you suppose any of them still survive? Dan - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral That is strange, when I click on the link below, I get the whole news artcle from December of 1914. I don't understand why it doesn't open for you. I wish it did though. It is very interesting. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=slogin - Original Message - From: tim venetis tvene...@optonline.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral when i go to the link there is a pdf file to download so I found a pdf to txt but it does not read much just when it was written - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: mocap...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral This is fascinating, Len Spencer talked at his own Funeral, reciting the Lord's Prayer and 23rd Psalm!! Here is the actual newsclipping from 1914!! and then read what happened to the records, at his request. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=slogin Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs
Does anyone know what type of bulbs were used in 20s Eletrolas on the inside light? There are a number of moderm bulbs that fit the fixture, but I'm curious if the style of what would have been used then is still available anywhere? Dan From a...@popyrus.com Sun Nov 18 13:47:58 2007 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sun Nov 18 13:49:18 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs In-Reply-To: 005e01c82a2b$687ef450$6501a...@danslaptop References: 005e01c82a2b$687ef450$6501a...@danslaptop Message-ID: 4ffc099f-b616-49de-9d00-b0c2f32b8...@popyrus.com Type 41 pilot lamp (screw base, 2.5 volt) if the socket is on the 2.5 volt (tube filament winding) part of the power transformer. If on the 5 volt part (rectifier filament), a type 46 (6.3 volt) should work. Both types should be available from Antique Electronic Supply and other sources. Andy Baron On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Does anyone know what type of bulbs were used in 20s Eletrolas on the inside light? There are a number of moderm bulbs that fit the fixture, but I'm curious if the style of what would have been used then is still available anywhere? Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs
I don't think I was specific enough. It's the machine is a 1921 Victorla XVII Electrola with a bulb inside. The buld is 110 volt and has what is now called a candelobra base that a normal night light fits in. What I'm wondering is if there was a certain type of bulb that would have been used. I don't think most of the modern bulbs that fit this type of fixture would have existed in 1921. Dan There are all kinds of lights that work - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs Hold on a minute! There could be a couple of answers to this one. First, it'd be good to know the model number of the Electrola. Is this the tubular bulb in the phono compartment of such as the 9-18? Or, might it be the dial light in the RE-45, 75? If nit's the inside light, as mentioned in the original question, it's the tubular light. The smallest wattage reting that I can find is about 15 watts. They seem to work out acceptably in the cabinets. I believe that the original bulbs were nearer to 10 watts or so, but you just don't seem to find them these days. Best thing to do is to use the smallest wattage you can find. It doesn't take much to light up those playing compartments. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/18/2007 4:49:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs Type 41 pilot lamp (screw base, 2.5 volt) if the socket is on the 2.5 volt (tube filament winding) part of the power transformer. If on the 5 volt part (rectifier filament), a type 46 (6.3 volt) should work. Both types should be available from Antique Electronic Supply and other sources. Andy Baron On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Does anyone know what type of bulbs were used in 20s Eletrolas on the inside light? There are a number of moderm bulbs that fit the fixture, but I'm curious if the style of what would have been used then is still available anywhere? Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs
Thanks everyone for the info on the bulbs. I at least have some idea of what to look for. If anyone has an original (long shot I know...) a picture and info would be great. Thanks Dan - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs I have one of the Electrolas (a XVI). I have seen those bulbs on various occasions, and I'm inclined to believe that the original ones were frosted, though I have nothing to back up that information. I'm inclined to believe that, because a clear bulb will tend to give the operator a strong glare, a frosted bulb would give a softer light in the playing compartment. If you can find one of those early bulbs, even burned out, try to determine the wattage. I have a feeling that they were about 10 watts. And, tou'd play Hell, finding a bulb with the evacuation stem on the top!! [Original Message] From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/18/2007 6:16:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs I don't think I was specific enough. It's the machine is a 1921 Victorla XVII Electrola with a bulb inside. The buld is 110 volt and has what is now called a candelobra base that a normal night light fits in. What I'm wondering is if there was a certain type of bulb that would have been used. I don't think most of the modern bulbs that fit this type of fixture would have existed in 1921. Dan There are all kinds of lights that work - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs Hold on a minute! There could be a couple of answers to this one. First, it'd be good to know the model number of the Electrola. Is this the tubular bulb in the phono compartment of such as the 9-18? Or, might it be the dial light in the RE-45, 75? If nit's the inside light, as mentioned in the original question, it's the tubular light. The smallest wattage reting that I can find is about 15 watts. They seem to work out acceptably in the cabinets. I believe that the original bulbs were nearer to 10 watts or so, but you just don't seem to find them these days. Best thing to do is to use the smallest wattage you can find. It doesn't take much to light up those playing compartments. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/18/2007 4:49:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrola light bulbs Type 41 pilot lamp (screw base, 2.5 volt) if the socket is on the 2.5 volt (tube filament winding) part of the power transformer. If on the 5 volt part (rectifier filament), a type 46 (6.3 volt) should work. Both types should be available from Antique Electronic Supply and other sources. Andy Baron On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Does anyone know what type of bulbs were used in 20s Eletrolas on the inside light? There are a number of moderm bulbs that fit the fixture, but I'm curious if the style of what would have been used then is still available anywhere? Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Does this look fishy???
One of the pictures makes it appear that it is in an antique mall. This one will be interesting... Dan - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy??? Yes, perhaps we are too quick to judge. Could be some poor soul down on his luck, who inherited this machine, and needs cash in a hurry. Quick Marjie, warm up the Van, we are heading for California!! - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy??? I agree that something is strange about the auction page. The Buy It now button covers part of the normal screen. You can't even see the day and time the auction ends. This one scares me a bit. Fantastic deal though if it is real. Dan - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy??? This looks fishy to me...a Regina Hexaphone for a buy it now of $3500 and free shipping? A seller with no history, and preapproved bidders only? You can't click the bidding buttons, and other things on the screen do not look right yet it is on ebay!! Strange... John Robles http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250187778654ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 9:34 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] MAPS In The Groove for November
Has anyone recieved the November In The Groove magazine this month. I haven't gotten one and it seems a bit late. Dan From lo...@oldcrank.com Mon Nov 12 09:15:50 2007 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Mon Nov 12 09:16:16 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] MAPS In The Groove for November In-Reply-To: 004801c82490$a4732800$6501a...@danslaptop References: 004801c82490$a4732800$6501a...@danslaptop Message-ID: 2ab45bfb-e753-4f69-9117-eeda71432...@oldcrank.com Haven't received mine yet either. Loran On Nov 11, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Has anyone recieved the November In The Groove magazine this month. I haven't gotten one and it seems a bit late. Dan From s...@clarphon.com Mon Nov 12 10:01:52 2007 From: s...@clarphon.com (stan stanford) Date: Mon Nov 12 10:33:14 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] MAPS In The Groove for November References: 004801c82490$a4732800$6501a...@danslaptop 2ab45bfb-e753-4f69-9117-eeda71432...@oldcrank.com Message-ID: 000501c82556$1ae157d0$6601a...@toshibauser I havent' received mine either.. stan stanford - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] MAPS In The Groove for November Haven't received mine yet either. Loran On Nov 11, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Has anyone recieved the November In The Groove magazine this month. I haven't gotten one and it seems a bit late. Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnic...@fuse.net Mon Nov 12 16:51:58 2007 From: jnic...@fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:57:13 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Making Records with Duke Ellington Message-ID: 985fe0d8-74f6-4df5-8f5a-242177d31...@fuse.net Making Records with Duke Ellington http://youtube.com/watch?v=hjKlFFp4-IE Jim Nichol
[Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??
The default does not store passwords. You have to allow IE to store passwords. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy?? I would be more than willing to debate that with you. The password and username is stored by IE if you allow it to do so, this is more than the cookie that is set when you check remember me. The MS email programs will run several different programs if you allow then to be previewed, you do not have to do anything. They will also execute any scripts imbedded in the HTML if you preview any HTML message. Your information is correct but somewhat out of date. The people who are getting burned now are the people running a stock system that has not been modified for secuity, they are still using the default settings. On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:50:00 -0700, Daniel Melvin wrote: The previous post wasn't completely accurate, but there was some good advise. Change settings on any email reader to not show the content of the email unless you open it. All the issues mentioned below go away. Also, if you use Automatic Update with any operating system you have the likelyhood of such issues go way down as well. Caution is the the key. Don't open or respond to emails from anyone you don't know. Don't click on links in emails you don't trust. It's fairly simple. Also, the ebay password is not on your computer in a cookie unless you say remember me on this computer. Something I never do on any computer for any password. That again is not unique to windows. The password is stored on your computer by the web page when you click on the remember me on this system part of the login page. Dan - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy?? If using Windows and either Microsoft email programs, Outlook or Outlook Express, you need to be aware that Internet Explorer stores login information. The email program will run a script if you open or view, an email. The script will go extract your login info and ship it off through the internet. see the linkage of the email and the browser? That is the hole. The script in question is usually a .vbs routine embedded in an HTML formatted email. Outlook / Outlook Express run the ,vbs by default, you can turn this feature off. Also turn off displaying HTML emails. This is how you loose your ID and Password and never filled in anything. On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:48:20 EDT, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Bruce, I had my eBay identity AND password hijacked recently and someone used it to put a bunch of Mercedes, Jaguars and Rovers up on eBay for sale by ..me! I still haven't figured out how they would benefit from this. But I was told by eBay that you don't even have to click on the links given on the phishing site for them to find your password. You just have to OPEN a phishing email for them to gain that information. I certainly don't understand how they can do that. I'm opening fewer emails now! ---Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] B250 key escusion
Hi, I have a really nice Edison B250 but it is missing the top key escusion. Can someone tell me if it matches the one on the record storage door? Any one have one they would sell? A picture would be great too. Thanks Dan From lhera...@bu.edu Sat Sep 22 09:19:11 2007 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sat Sep 22 09:24:34 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 611 Viva-tonal Message-ID: 01c7fd34$550b9e60$2f01a...@ronlherault Hi gang, I've just become the owner of this little cutie and have a couple of questions for the group. Did any Columbia Viva-tonal machines have an auto or semi-auto brake? Is the 611 supposed to have one? What is the finish on these machines, lacquer or shellac? It looks like lacquer to me. I've already dismantled the tone arm to grease/seal joints which improved the sound already. I want to rebuild the reproducer. I think it is leaking and it looks like the gaskets are cracked and dry. Anything I should look out for? Thanks. Ron L
[Phono-L] The locked lid is open. Thanks!
Now I don't know what to do when I transport machines. I have always followed Jerry's lead. Jerry was one of my mentors and look at what happened to him! :) In all seriousness, I think I will heed Bob Coon's suggestions. Dan ps Sorry to poke fun at Jerry... Couldn't resist. On 8/28/07, Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com wrote: Jer, Our friend and fellow collector Bob Coon from Menasha, Wiscosnsin has always recommended that upright machines travel with their lids secured another way than using the lock! He has seen too many locks torn out, or just slightly deranged from hoisting them and the travel itself. That may have been your problem Jer, even though you have years of experience and just a few uprights yourself! ;-) I have always transported uprights with the locks unlocked, and either strapped the lids down, or used another means. Straw poll anyone!? Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:14 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] The locked lid is open. Thanks! Thanks for all the suggestions for opening my Victrola lid. I didn't have to resort to any lubrication in the lock. A friend helped and through a combination of gently flexing and pushing the lid, we were able to operate the lock. Mike, if your check is in the mail, I'll cash it and buy good beer. Thanks Happy Collecting, Jerry Blais (Albany, Or.) Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From victr...@triton.net Tue Aug 28 15:19:46 2007 From: victr...@triton.net (George) Date: Tue Aug 28 15:24:36 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] The locked lid is open. Thanks! References: 339986.51574...@web37010.mail.mud.yahoo.com6c7ea97ca5292848b80f204f38a7375204880...@mercury.prevea.combc1ff5b1-5370-47b5-ac94-6e4d79e2e...@mac.com be17cfc0-e0b0-413a-81f0-28088f43e...@oldcrank.com Message-ID: 23b101c7e9c1$8b4da530$5811a...@valuedcb7d4c82 I transport lots of machines each year. If possible I always use the built in lock. When no lock is available I use the large furniture rubber bands. These wrap nicely around the whole victrola regardless of type or model. I do need to replace some of these though; if anyone knows of a current source please let me know. George - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The locked lid is open. Thanks! I am sooo glad you reminded me... I'm heading over to the coast tomorrow to pick up a phono and I need to get another roll of wrap today. Loran On Aug 28, 2007, at 9:29 AM, phonol...@mac.com wrote: Since my frightening experience with lock that wouldn't unlock, I never lock lids any more. When transporting Victrolas these days I wrap the top with stretch wrap. Thats the stuff that they use to hold packages together on pallets. You can get a small roll at Office Depot for a few $. It works fine, and keeps the lid from opening when you put the Victrola on its back. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 6:20 PM
[Phono-L] Auxetophone Sold!
Tim, I have a spare room you can use while looking for a place to live :) Dan - Original Message - From: phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Auxetophone Sold! I'm moving to Portland. Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Marconi Velvet Tone discs
I just played the only Marconi velvet tone record I have. It's not in the best of shape. It is number 064 which is a cornet solo of Oh Promise Me. I wasn't all that impressed with the sound. Perhaps mine is just not in good enough shape or something. So, I got out a couple other records recorded about the same time. A Columbia and a Victor. Of the 3 the Victor record was the quietest and to me the best to listen to. The normal Columbia early records are really noisy and it always distracts from the sound on the record. I will admit that the Marconi is much quieter and sounds better than the normal Columbia. But, I would need to hear some other Marconi's to be convinced they are all that much better than other records of the time. Dan
[Phono-L] Dual purpose victrola.
Actually, I meant to say Victrola IV... - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dual purpose victrola. Bwahahahaah. I wonder how often you have to replace the filter on that thing. - Original Message - From: tom jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Dual purpose victrola. Check out this dual purpose Victrola. It plays music and doubles as a cold air return for your home's heating system :0) http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Victrola-VV-IV-Phonograph-w-Metal-Grill-1673_W0QQ itemZ170122607698QQihZ007QQcategoryZ38030QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] victor crate on ebay
I have one of these and it is definately an Ameican Victor crate. I'm not sure which machine came in it, but mine does have reference to the Victor company in NJ. Dan - Original Message - From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: [Phono-L] victor crate on ebay Hey all, This Victor crate went for $50. At Cowan's auction. Is it Canadian? It doesn't look like the Victor branding I'm used to. http://tinyurl.com/3bc859 I would appreciate any and all opinions Suellen Funk ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay!
Well, for one; I try not to purposely bid against some of my other phono friends that live in my same town. It isn't that there is a problem bidding against someone you know, I just choose to not do it as a courtesy to my friends. This change eliminates that possibility. I also know who many of the real phono ebay users are. It makes me feel better when legit folks are bidding. And, I see no value to anyone in this change. It's stupid. Dan - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! The bidder information is available to the seller. It is ONLY converted to Bidder 1 etc. for the other bidders. I might be missing something here, so please clarify, if you would. What exactly does knowing the bidders actual eBay user IDs provide to you as regards protection that Bidder 1 etc. does not? Rich On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote: It seems to me that it will not do much good to discuss this only on Phono-L. You all need to state your displeasure to Ebay itself. That is not an easy task since Ebay makes it very difficult to send something directly to them. If anyone knows a good way to send them your comments please share it with the rest of us. I have commented on the new policy on one of the chat boards but there is no way to know if Ebay pays much attention to that. I make heavy use of the bidder info to protect myself as both a buyer and seller. Ebay has shown themselves to be incapable of protecting the buyers and sellers from the abuses that have been discussed here. I believe the policy is purely profit based and they could care less about the rest of us. Unless they can guarantee protection to buyers and sellers from the abuses that are rampent on Ebay, then they should not remove about the only way we have to protect ourselves. Ken ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay!
I still will never bid on a hidden buyer auction. It's like asking to be cheated. Dan - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! In this instance, it is not the seller who is making the decision to hide the bidders' IDs, it is eBay. It does seem like a very unpopular idea. On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:36:43 -0800, Daniel Melvin wrote: I have always avoided auctions that hide bidders. I agree with Jeff's suspicions. I just don't trust sellers that hide things. It just feels wrong. I suppose many people have had OK transactions this way. It's not for me though. Dan - Original Message - From: taediso...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! In a message dated 1/16/2007 4:13:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jeff...@prevea.com writes: Has anyone bid, or won anything with these bidder identification protected auctions? The seller of the Zonophone-A is doing that with that particular auction. eBay has always had an option for keeping bidders private, but this is not the case here. Recently eBay instituted a new policy whereby anything that tops $200 becomes protected. It's not the seller's choice. Instead of showing bidder IDs it shows Bidder 1, Bidder 2 etc. This is an attempt to combat rampant fraud since so many scammers are sending fake second chance notices to underbidders. By hiding bidders on higher-priced items they hope to cut down on these scams. It will also prevent people from offering similar items to underbidders by private message. On the bid history page you can view some statistics on the bidders. Perhaps the most telling is the one that shows what percent of the bidder's total bid activity is with the particular seller. In the Zonophone auction, for example, the current high bidder has 42% of activity with the seller. That's certainly very high. It also shows the categories the bidder has been active in, so it's very easy to see if a person who spends most of his time buying Christmas ornaments is suddenly a player on high-end collector phonographs. The new system is far from ideal, and I confess I liked to see what other people were bidding on. But by the same token, I never liked airing my own bid history publicly so I guess I'm a hypocrite at heart! Overall I think this new system will have more pros than cons. (And it will hopefully stifle some of the con artists, pun intended) Best regards, Rene Rondeau ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Salvador Dali Victor
Now that's funny... Dan - Original Message - From: Robert Plavzic plav...@hotmail.com To: phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Salvador Dali Victor Hello Not to be missed on ebay today is the Salvador Dali Victor, (a close relation of the Scutcheon Victor) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3706818224category=37904 or item no. 3706818224 Obviously a slow week for local plumbers. (DO NOT ADJUST YOUR SCREEN, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT!) regards Robert www.berliner.netfirms.com _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Weekend Find
That looks really nice Loran. Congrats! Dan - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Weekend Find Just wanted to share my weekend find with everyone. It's a Clumber Gramophone (made in England), likely circa early 20's. I don't normally go for European consoles, but I think you'll understand why I didn't pass on this one. http://www.oldcrank.com/images/MVC-006E.JPG Loran ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Ron Sitko
I have Ron Sitko's business card. It doesn't have an e-mail address, but the phone number is 518 371-8549. They have good quality stuff. I know you'll like what you get from them. Dan - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Phonolist at Yahoogroups. Com phonolist at yahoogroups.com; Phono-l at oldcrank. com Phono-l at oldcrank.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:59 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ron Sitko Listmates, I'm at work and needed info is at home. Can anyone supply contact info (e-mail and telephone number) for Ron Sitko or other suppliers of slotted cranks for Victor M's please e-mail me with that information. Thanks Ron L ___ Phono-l mailing list Phono-l at oldcrank.com http://oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] john9ten sent you this eBay item: Victor VitrolaPhonograph VV-IX w/ Morning Glory Horn (#6513932683)
Looks like a late Victor II to me... I wonder where he got VV-IX? Dan - Original Message - From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] john9ten sent you this eBay item: Victor VitrolaPhonograph VV-IX w/ Morning Glory Horn (#6513932683) - john9ten sent you this eBay item. Personal message: This doesn't compute...if you enlarge the pic where you can see the motor care decal, it seems that the decal shows a single spring motor. This is a late Victor case with the slip in tonearm bracket, and the rest of the stuff looks right except for the ID plate, am I right or am I crazy? And thanks for the birthday greeting, Mike, you are the best! John View this Item on eBay at http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnterloc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6513932683%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1partner=01 - Victor Vitrola Phonograph VV-IX w/ Morning Glory Horn Item number: 6513932683 - Seller: treasurefindersint(0) Member since Jan-20-05 in United States Current bid: US $427.55 (Reserve not met) - Time left: 1 mins 38 secs 10-day listing Ends Mar-03-0518:03:06 PST Item location: aventura, FL United States Ships to: Worldwide - Summary Victor Talking Machine Co. Victor Phonograph VV-IX serial number 510662, in very good condition, works perfectly, appears to have been restored. The little research i did dates this model back to somewhere between 1912-1925. Been told this is not the right horn for this phonograph. 12 inch turntable and two working spring motors. Will ship Fed Ex ground take no more then 5 days. shipping costs will be approx $50-80 could change depending on state, plus an additional 15$ packing fee. At the current timenbsp;can only accept money order or checks. will not ship merchandise until the checks have cleared. feel free to e-mail for more pics or questions. jpd1...@hotmail.com - Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn More at http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial. You are receiving this email because the sender thought you would be interested in this eBay item. You can report this message as unwanted (spam) email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. Learn more about spam email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html and User Agreement at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html if you have any questions. Copyright ? 2005 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Toy phonograph research
I agree with Steve. It is a very nice book. High quality pictures and writing. Really great reference. Dan - Original Message - From: srsel...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Toy phonograph research Joan and Robin Rolfs just released a book on Phonograph Dolls and Toys. I'm just startinbg to go through it but, as they always do thorough research and the color photos are great, I can recommend it. they are at _www.audioantique.com_ (http://www.audioantique.com) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Early L-door motor board question
It doesn't look like the motor has ever been off the motor board. I don't think anything is missing, but I guess it is possible. The turntable fits correctly and is all intact on top. Dan - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Early L-door motor board question How is the height of the turn table to the motor board? Maybe someone left off the washers (felt or rubber, I'm not sure) that were probably between motor and board. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:19 PM To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Early L-door motor board question I have a very nice early L-door Victrola XVI that was missing the motor board and motor. I had everything else. It takes the VTLA style motor board which sits on top instead of being inset. I found a motor board and motor and it fits perfectly down to the screw holes except for one problem. The crank shaft on the motor sits about 1/4 too high for the crank. It's in exactly the right place, just a bit high. Does anyone know if there are thinner motor boards for this type of machine? The only other machine I have with top mounted motor boards is a Victrola XII which has a thinner and slightly different setup than a XVI. Any suggestions or ideas out there? Thanks Dan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Chat
What's the URL to the chat page? Dan - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Chat No problems with the chat tonight. Join us. Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Union Show and Sale
I also enjoyed the show. There was some confusion and I think unnecessary bad feelings caused by the decision to not allow early buyers in on Thursday. Many people were turned away and told to come back on Friday. While the show has always been announced as a Friday-Sunday show I've gone for 6 years in a row and have always particiapted in the Thursday parking lot time. So, even with the offical Friday-Sunday announement, in effect the show had been starting on Thursday as long as I have been involved. A clearly stated statement saying what the parking lot rules would be in advance would have saved everyone a great deal of bad feelings, frustration, and vacation days. Before things got started this year Mike Donnaly announced in a very nice and clear manner that next year there will be no Thrusday selling. Dealers from out of town would be welcome to leave trailers in the parking lot, but no selling. Selling for both Early Buyers and Dealers would start at 6am Friday. I think that is not on fair, it will probably improve the show. Too bad they couldn't have accomplished this without confusion and bad feelings. Anyway, I saw machines I had never seen before in person. Many very rare machines and many way out of my price range. Even though I could not afford most of them it was a real treat to see them up close. I left the show happy and feeling like I purchased some nice things. I plan to attend next year and as long as the show lasts. And as always, the Saturday night trip to Jaspers was fantastic. I keep thinking I might tire of it, but I never do. Every year there are new and intersting things to see. It is a rare privilige and makes the trips to Union all the way from Oregon worth the trip. One more note... Things did seem a bit slower this year than previous years, although a lot of machines and related stuff changed hands. I wonder if the Friday night auction didn't dampen the buying on Saturday and Sunday. I think it's a bit odd to combine two events in the same weekend for the same crowd where both hope for money to be spent. I would guess the auction sellers with their rediculous 15% buyers premium probably came out the best of anyone. I would hope that the Friday night auction is a thing of the past. My 2 cents worth... Dan
[Phono-L] Another mysterious phonograph
I have a machine nearly identical, but it has a different one of the 1-2 decals and is bright red. The tag says it is a Kiddiepact made in New York. I think based on the picture they are the same machine. Dan - Original Message - From: msprin...@juno.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Another mysterious phonograph Everyone -- You all did so well on the mysterious Columbia, I thought I'd try again with this one. The Mother Goose decal on the inside lid is VERY similar to the Mother Goose decal on the Victor Victrola 1-2, but someone said this didn't look like a Victor to him. Any thoughts about what this machine is? http://www.littlewonderrecords.com/picture-album.html Thanks! Merle ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Rebuilding a Victor Number 4 reproducer
Anyone know what type of gaskets are needed to rebuild a Victor Number 4 reproducer? They appear to be somthing kind of flat like a Number 2, but larger around. Does anyone sell these gaskets? Thanks Dan From diamondisk...@aol.com Fri Feb 18 19:16:13 2005 From: diamondisk...@aol.com (diamondisk...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:08 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phonograph Chop Shop - The Edison Wrecking Yard - Message-ID: ce.62978e9b.2f480...@aol.com I had dealings with both of those men when I was a beginner, back in the early 1970's, and I was not happy with either transaction. One of them sold me an NOS Edisonic reproducer for $125.00, which was about a week's pay, back then. When I received the reproducer, I anxiously unpacked it, (the box was nice), put on one of my favorite disks, (a no-no), and watched the grooves turn gray, as the reproducer screeched and squawked across the record. After the damage was done, I looked at the needle more closely. The stylus was mounted at a crooked angle in the needle bar, an obvious defect an expert would have seen instantly. I am beginning to think I've dealt with every person of dubious integrity in the hobby. Randy
[Phono-L] eBay Scam Listing
Personally, I love PayPal as a buyer. I do not sell on ebay so perhaps I have a different view of things. It is by far the easiest and safest way to buy on ebay. I always check auctions and if they do not accept PayPal I have to really want the item to bid on it. And, I never bid on items that require money orders or cashiers checks. It is too inconvienient and leaves me with no recourse if there are any issues. As for phonograph stuff on ebay, I have rarely bought a phonograph, but I have bought a lot of parts and related paper and advertising items that I would never have seen in a lifetime of collecting. Dan - Original Message - From: funk f...@insightbb.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Scam Listing Paypal has always been nothing other than an insidious example of egregious corporate greed. I have never used it and never will. A convenience? HA As I am sure you know, ebay started as 100% antiques/collectibles. The last time I saw statistics on this, antiques and collectibles were less than 10% of their sales and contining to rapidly fall as a percentage. Just lower your expections, continue to be on guard, and you should be fine. Mike - Original Message - From: Fred Williams phonof...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] eBay Scam Listing I've given up on ebay. Between Paypal, and all the cheats it's just not any fun anymore. Sad but true. Fred From: Loran T.Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Scam Listing Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:47:10 -0800 This one is a fraud, folks: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=6514671154ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 As you can see, same photos from the original auction here: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/auctions/ebay/333592.html Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing
Thousands of sellers seem to figure it out. It's all in the percentages for fees and what you expect to get for an item. It's simple math and standard business. As for not being able to pass costs on, true Ebay doesn't allow you to ask for additoinal money. But, you can price accordingly with no problem as most ebay sellers do. Dan - Original Message - From: bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing Ho do you factor in the Pay Pal cost on an auction when you don't have any idea of the final price or shipping cost? RMV - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing Perhaps sellers should take the fees into account when they price their items. You can't see for more with PayPal (although some sellers try this), but you can assume that the products will be bought this way and price accordingly. This is standard business practice and would not even be noticed by buyers. It's just common sense business practice. Anyone that has ever sold anything in an antique mall knows this very well. The cost of selling in the mall has to be taken into account when pricing items. Dan - Original Message - From: funk f...@insightbb.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing All of this has been discussed in the past ad nauseum. Bottom line is, and always has been, this: It's great for buyers; horrible for sellers. The 3% bleed hurts. For the seller, it's fees, fees, fees, and then another 3% to close the deal. UGHHH. - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing I'm interested to hear why anyone would say this. A free service that saves me the effort of finding an envelope and a stamp, accurately addressing the envelope, writing out a check, and going to a post box...plus the week for it to get to the seller, and the week some sellers need for the check to clear (or worse, those that require a postal money order, which requires a 20 minute wait in line at my post office) - what's not to like? Perhaps those who criticize it ought to try it before doing so. It's **extremely** convenient, which is why it's such a success. Users are only charged when they add credit card capability to their account - just like any other credit card fee - but for everyone else, it's free. So where exactly is the corporate greed in that? On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:25 AM, someone wrote: Paypal has always been nothing other than an insidious example of egregious corporate greed. I have never used it and never will. A convenience? HA -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Sad News
Loran, I will keep you and your family in my thoughts. I hope all this will bring everyone involved peace as time goes by. Dan - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Sad News Several months ago, I wrote that my family was busy with my sister's health issues and that my priorities would be focused with her. My big sister, my hero, Janet went home with God last Friday. She died peacefully at home, surrounded by family, as she wished. Your thoughts and prays for her husband, David, would be most appreciated. Although Janet was not a phonograph collector, her love was nutcrackers. Old, new, didn't matter. Her home was filled with nutcrackers at Christmas. Thanks for your understanding though this difficult time. I've got a lot of catching up to do. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Victrola IV question
A friend of mind just picked up a very early Victrola IV with the metal grill and the early metal reproducer (Victor O type). According to the Victor Data Book it's in the first few made. It even has the round earlier brake. I know that the reproducer is worth quite a bit, maybe more than the machine. Anyone have an idea of what this machine should be worth? Thanks Dan From john9...@pacbell.net Wed Dec 21 11:56:06 2005 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:08 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] 20th century cylinder help needed Message-ID: 20051221195606.63508.qm...@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com Hello Does anyone have a halfway playable COlumbia 20th Century cylinder? I acquired a nice COlumbia BG through a trade, and would like at least one 6 cylinder to play on it, yet I can't afford the $250 price tag that the nice ones are getting on ebay. I could probably afford $125 to $150 if it were nice enough to play. Can anyone help me with this quest? Funny, I used to have three mint ones, but after I sold my BGT I sold the cylinders too, shoulda held onto them! Thanks John Robles
[Phono-L] 2/4 setup on a Columbia BFT
I have a really nice Columbia BFT that has a 2/4 minute setup. Can someone tell me how this mechinism works? I have played around with it and it doesn't seem to make any difference what I do, the speed doesn't change. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Dan From tvene...@optonline.net Sun Nov 7 11:51:05 2004 From: tvene...@optonline.net (Tim) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:52 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] gem question Message-ID: 004901c4c503$1e15dea0$ef9a5...@toshibauser With a 1998 gem I was wondering if it supposed to use the winding shaft with the pin going through it or would it use the winding shaft with the slot in it thanks
[Phono-L] Edison N reproducer - Trowel weight??
I just took a look in George Frow's Cylinder Phonograph Companion book and there is a picture of it on page 306. Looks like it is a late N reproducer. There seem to be several versions shown. Dan - Original Message - From: Eric Boyles edboy...@alltel.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison N reproducer - Trowel weight?? Hello all. From the Jonesboro, Arkansas area, I picked up a Edison Standard Model E which has a very unusual trowel weight Model N reproducer instead of the usual version weight like that of a H. I was able to free the reproducer from its stuck carriage without damage. The serial number on the reproducer is 47,XXX. Attached are some photos where I have disassembled for cleaning and rebuilding. It is definitely original and was original to the machine (or at least the last 46 years). Attached are some photos for your review. Has anyone on the list ever seen a trowel weight N reproducer by Edison?? I lean heavy to Steve Medved who as the resident reproducer expert in my opinion, indicates it is a new one on him. http://tinyurl.com/6lrww Thanks Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Victrola IV reproducer question
Thanks George! I thought I had read this somewhere. Now I know where. The picture is exactly the machine I have. Guess I'll keep the O reproducer with the machine. Dan - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola IV reproducer question The O soundbox is correct for the early Victrola IV (as is the Exhibition). She show an early IV with the O soundbox in our first book, as well as the soon-to-be-published Talking Machine Compendium, Second, Revised Edition. Personally, I think the O soundbox is cooler! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Phono buying in 1975...
So if this was true in 1975... Victor Model VI, original mahogany horn, gold pillars, WITH original rare matching cabinet shaped liek the machine, but on a larger scale. $950. It would be $3268 today. I'm ready to buy one on the spot for $3268!!! Good point about prices though. With inflation and such the deals aren't really as astounding as them seem. But what a way to dream about old prices available today. Dan - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Eric Stott est...@localnet.com; Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono buying in 1975... Here's another fun way to look at it. $100 in 1975 equates to $344 in 2004. Loran On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 15:18, Eric Stott wrote: Believe it or not, those were not low prices for the time. It was still not uncommon for great finds to turn up at auctions or come out of farm houses. Nowadays most everything is picked over and Ebay has made most everyone a dealer eager to make a fortune. Even when something new comes to the market the owner has been told Oh this one is very unique and rare a thousand times. Eric Stott ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] For those that like Nipper
This is about a recent nipper find that I thought might be interesting to those nipper collectors out there. Some of us like phonographs and related collectables. I always like finding unique phono related stuff. There is a potential this isn't a genuine nipper. Read about it and see it at http://home.comcast.net/~dgm4530/nipper.htm if you want. If anyone has any further info I would love to hear it. Dan From Zonophone2002 Fri Mar 12 04:11:50 2004 From: Zonophone2002 (zonophone2...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:37 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono buying in 1975... Message-ID: 118.3019aca1.2d82e...@aol.com john you are so right pat has some nice machines but he does get a premium for them i know i had bought two columbia bo's from him a few years ago one is mint and the other close best to all rob From plavzic Fri Mar 12 11:56:37 2004 From: plavzic (Robert Plavzic) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:37 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] 10 etched Berliner Message-ID: bay13-f25eib61lf1g2e...@hotmail.com Hello A friend of mine just found a 10 etched label Berliner Record (like the 7 records). Does anyone know the background to these? many thanks Robert _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
Another tip that helped me when I first encountered the 2 minute/4 minute issuse is that most all 4 minute black wax cyliners are marked with 4M on the rim. Also the Columbia Indistructilbe cyliners are all marekd with either 2M or 4M on the rim. The normal black Gold Moulded records do not indicate anything and will always be 2 minute. There might be some exceptions, but I find this to be true as I encounter cyliners. Dan - Original Message - From: Phil O'Keefe pokeefe...@netzero.com To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 2 Minute Education Greg: Edison 2-minute cylinders are all made from wax. The Gold Moulded ones (made starting early 1902) are black. The earlier cylinders are brown in color and usually don't have a title printed on the end. The grooves on 2-minute cylinders are much wider than those on 4-minute wax Amberol records and 4-minute plastic Blue Amberol records. The four minute grooves are extremely fine and difficult to see. I think the 2-minute records have 100 grooves per inch and the 4-minute have 200. 2-minute cylinders are usually very hard to come by as compared to Blue Amberols. When you do find them, they are more often than not damaged by mold. If the mold coverage is severe, they are rendered unplayable. Also, the wax cylinders break very easily. Undamaged, clean wax records are often very pricey as compared to Blue Amberols. This is why you usually find 2-minute cylinder machines priced well-below their 2/4 and 4-minute cousins. -Phil O'Keefe Visit my Edison Phonograph Website http://www.engineeringexpert.net/edphono.htm On 7/6/04 9:18 PM, Greg drgr...@msn.com wrote: I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
Wow, this is amazing. To hear the samples on the scientists' website is probably best done with a high speed internet connection, but the blue amberol optical recording is beyond belief! Dan - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Gang - Imagine my surprise this morning to find a lengthy article about scientists doing optical recovery of sound from moldy cylinders and damaged discs, including a color picture of an Edison Standard: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/12/ MNGJP7JRC21.DTL the scientists' website is: http://www-cdf.lbl.gov/~av/ pretty cool... -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt, speaking on President Wilson's crackdown on dissent after the U.S. entered W.W.I ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] removal from list
I haven't noticed anything odd going on this list. Who was having the problem? Dan - Original Message - From: cranke...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:01 AM Subject: [Phono-L] removal from list Loran, Please remove me from the list. Censureship belongs elsewhere, not here in America... ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] removal from list
If we had a decent liberal health coverage system then the needle pricks could be easy to get fixed :) - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] removal from list On Sep 13, 2006, at 3:32 PM, diamondisk...@aol.com wrote: Hey! Liberals, (i.e. non-Republicans,) can be Edison fans too! I never went for those primitive, steel-needle contraptions. Randy I don't recommend steel needles to liberals. You guys are too touchy- feely and may injure yourselves. Nyuck, nyuck! ;) Loran (KIDDING! Don't want this to turn into a political persuasion discussion, but couldn't resist the steel needle jab) ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] A fun old movie with phonograph content
Hi All, Perhaps everyone already knows this, but I didn't. There is a 1946 movie called Two Sisters from Boston that stars Kathryn Grayson and June Allison, but also has Opera singer Lauritz Melchior that made quite a few 78 opera records. The movie is kind of a typical old style musical, but the fun part for us is that there is a section that shows as somewhat fictionalized acoustic recording session with Melchior in front of a horn. The orchestra contains at least one Stroh violin and a lot of goofiness including a great funny moment with nipper the dog. I looked on Amazon.com and it seems to only be available on VHS and not DVD. I recorded it last week from Turner Classic Movies. It's worth a look if you can find a way to see it. Dan From rmka...@pacbell.net Sun Nov 19 15:42:19 2006 From: rmka...@pacbell.net (Bob Kawahara) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:02 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] L.A. Times article Message-ID: 20061119234219.21003.qm...@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com I've been a long time member of but never a participant in the Phono-List. But I had to share today's Los Angeles Times article on the rehab of a building here in L.A. which will include a bar honoring Thomas Edison and the age of industrialization. The details are towards the end of the article. I have pasted in the article below and the website is http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-then19nov19,1,7973493.story?coll=la-headlines-californiactrack=1cset=true Bob K. L.A. THEN AND NOW Higgins Building was a shining showpiece The structure at 2nd and Main was built by a copper tycoon. The neighborhood soon fell on hard times, but now is making a comeback. By Cecilia Rasmussen, Times Staff Writer November 19, 2006 In the early 20th century, part of Los Angeles' golden era was founded on copper. Take the Higgins Building at 2nd and Main streets. The 10-story showpiece was built in 1910 by copper tycoon Thomas Higgins. Its marble walls and brass fittings mirrored the glamour of pre-World War I downtown. Tenants included Clarence Darrow, General Petroleum, the chancery office of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles and noted architect Albert C. Martin Sr. Main Street's golden era didn't last long, as homeless shelters displaced thriving businesses. But now, as decrepit commercial buildings gentrify, glamour is making a comeback. In recent years, the Higgins was renovated and converted to lofts, then condos. Now, its two-story basement is adding another notable to the building's roster: Thomas Edison. The Edison Bar is scheduled to open in early December. The man whose name is on the building was born in County Roscommon, Ireland, during the potato famine in 1844, according to a pending application for the building to be designated a landmark. At about age 20, Thomas Patrick Higgins immigrated to New York, where he mined for iron ore upstate, before heading west to do some lumbering in Wisconsin. He reached Bisbee, Ariz., in 1877. Only five other prospectors had staked copper claims there. Copper, unlike gold, cannot be extracted by panning in a river. Higgins couldn't afford mechanical drilling equipment, so he dug a tunnel 650 feet into a hillside ? by hand. His labors paid off: When he left Bisbee about a quarter-century later, he'd made a fortune. In 1902, he invested $750,000 in Los Angeles real estate. His first building was the brick-and-mortar Bisbee Hotel in 1903. Now called the St. George, it's on 3rd between Main and Los Angeles streets. Designed by architect Arthur L. Haley, it was originally named for Higgins' mining stamping grounds. That same year, The Times reported, Higgins paid $200,000 for a two-story Victorian commercial building on the southwest corner of 2nd and Main. Across the street was St. Vibiana's Cathedral, which anchored the cultural spine of the growing city. Here, in 1910, Higgins built his office and retail building for the princely sum of $500,000, or $10.6 million in today's dollars. New office buildings were going up one block away on Spring Street, dubbed the Wall Street of the West. Higgins was confident that Main Street would remain the vibrant commercial and cultural core of the city. Architects Haley and Martin made the Higgins Building a reality and created an alley alongside that stretched from 2nd south almost five blocks. In 1917, the alley became known as Harlem Place, the center of L.A.'s early 20th century music scene. (In the 1920s, jazz shifted south to Central Avenue.) The elegant Higgins Building towered over surrounding structures and was said to be absolutely fire- and earthquake-proof. Embracing modern technology, Higgins installed one of the city's first electrical generating stations in the basement ? six years before L.A.'s first power pole was erected in Highland Park. The Higgins was designed with natural air conditioning, using a ventilation shaft that allowed sunshine and fresh air to filter
[Phono-L] Which one? And why?
Having seen at least 3 maroon horns that are painted over black that I am 100% sure are original I have no doubt they are for real. In fact, the maroon horns with black paint underneath look better as the maroon paint remains much more intact than on the horns with the maroon paint directly on the metal. The decals are correct and the paint is obviously original. I have also seen two maroon gem bodies painted the same way. I'm convinced they are more rare than the normal maroon gems and are a good thing to have in a collection. They look fantastic and original in every respect. Dan Melvin On 11/28/06, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: This notion of a C gem being re-painted and turned into a D is not going to fly. .. MY REPLY...Having never owned any Gems I really appreciate your post as it answered my question, I wondered if the C and D had a different casting but did not think to ask that question directly. The only question that remains, was it possible that a D was painted black by mistake and then repainted. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] ebay item
Thanks Bob, I needed that laugh! Dan On 11/28/06, Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com wrote: HOLY S**T - A vernis martin on ebay. 330055723273 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] a rare baby indeed!
Wow, an Edison Crap-o-phone! - Original Message - From: cranke...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: [Phono-L] a rare baby indeed! Now, Here's a rare baby! I think I must act now! http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-PHONOGRAPH-AROUND-1920-BLACK-OAK-BRAND-EDISON_W0QQitemZ6598194379QQcategoryZ1442QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Box of 4 minute cylinder records for sale
Hi all, Jerry Blais asked me to post this for him. He is in transition between computer services and can't currently get e-mail and couldn't post this for himself. He said anyone that was interested could call him at 541-926-2843 Pacific time. He has access to a box of 35 4 minute cyliners all in boxes. He has not picked through them nor has any other collector. They are a complete collection as found. The person he got them from wants to sell them as a group. Jerry is asking $4 per cylinder. There is no list to include here, but Jerry said he would be happy to take calls and read some of the titles to folks. It sounds like there are good comedy and musical type cyliders. Such as Ada Jones and Billy Murry and much more. Thanks Dan From cranke...@comcast.net Fri Jan 27 20:55:46 2006 From: cranke...@comcast.net (cranke...@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] another rare reproducer Message-ID: 012820060455.1106.43daf9520001ad18045222092299279f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net I thought that was your comment below my comment on the listing page! -- Original message -- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Hi Bill, and list, I wrote to the guy and he changed the description. Steve Check this out Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From steve_nor...@msn.com Fri Jan 27 21:21:12 2006 From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] another rare reproducer In-Reply-To: 012820060455.1106.43daf9520001ad18045222092299279f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net Message-ID: bay103-f23a217044da3f086e09daef6...@phx.gbl I had no idea I was in such a good neighborhood, I did not want someone to get cheated that is why I wrote him. Steve I thought that was your comment below my comment on the listing page! Hi Bill, and list, I wrote to the guy and he changed the description. Steve Check this out Bill
[Phono-L] Need your help
Alan, Have you tries Geore Vollema (Great Lakes Antique Phonograph). He has a huge parts collection. http://www.victroladoctor.com/ Dan - Original Message - From: bigal1...@aol.com To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need your help I spoke with Ron Sitko at Union and all he had was a repro winding key. I sent an e-mail to Dennis at Apsco but he never replied. I have contacted several other repair and parts people and it seems the AB has several unique parts and not that many were produced so some of the items are difficult to find. I have not contacted anyone else about the O reproducer. Alan hi allen did you check with ron sitko or dennis valente for parts they are both good too zono -Original Message- From: bigal1...@aol.com To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Need your help My quest for the missing parts for my AB MacDonald is coming along slowly, I have located a reproducer, and have a slip on concert mandrel on order, but the last item I need is the key shaped wingnut that allows the mandrel to be repositioned. Dwayne Wyatt said the thought he could make one for me if he had a dimensionally correct drawing of an original. If one of you with an AB would be willing to do a tracing of your wingnut and either send, fax or e-mail it to me, I would really appreciate it. Also I am looking for an old O reproducer, I don't care what shape the body is in as long as the turnover stylus bar works and is complete. If anyone has one they are willing to sell please contact me at bigal1...@aol.com. Thanks for your time. Alan Christensen Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Need your help
I've had nothing but good experiences with APSCO over several years. Sorry to hear someone else had issues. Dan - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need your help In a message dated 8/6/2006 3:40:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bigal1...@aol.com writes: I sent an e-mail to Dennis at Apsco but he never replied. From my own very personal experience, this may be a good thing. Sorry. I don't like to be ugly, but when it comes to APSCO, Caveat Emptor. Randy Minor ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Dan Melvin's Email Address
Hi - I sent George my e-mail address... Dan On 8/8/06, gpaul2...@aol.com gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: I have misplaced Dan Melvin's email address, and it changed about 6 months ago. Can anyone (Dan - are you there?) help me? Thanks, George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Slightly Off Topic Request
Loran thanks for the note. I have already given to the Red Cross and yesterday my company sent a notice that they will match 150% of any amount associates doante through the company. I think that is a great thing and I plan to give more through the company. It really is important and I think we all need to try to do something to help in this horrible situation. Dan - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique List Phonograph phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Slightly Off Topic Request The events of the last few days got me thinking about how lucky I am - I know that my family is safe, we have a roof over our heads, plenty to eat and drink, and disposable income for my hobbies. Where am I going with this? This month, I've got a challenge for the subscribers of this list. I'd like you to donate to your favorite charity for hurricane Katrina relief (if you haven't already). I personally donated at www.salvationarmyusa.org - but would also recommend www.redcross.org. So skip that latte, extra slice of pizza, or Edison Standard. Dig into your pocket and think about the folks that have nothing tonight. Loran P.S. To head off the inevitable you shouldn't be using this list to beg for donations email I own and maintain the server on which Phono-L resides, pay for the dedicated DSL line to that server, and am the list-owner. I figure that gives me the right ;) ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] My dilemma - which machine would you pick??
Myself, I would always go with a horn machine before an upright with a few exceptions. A rare upright with a unique finish or something rare like a Vic XX would be attractive to me. In this case I would get the Vic II. But that's just my taste in machines. Dan On 12/4/06, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I am trying to decide between two machines, and I thought it would be fun to throw the question out there - Given a choice of a one-family, TOTALLY unrestored Victor II Humpback with an aftermarket horn with 12 petals lacquered red, green and gold and bearing a 4 digit serial number, OR a Victrola 130 (late model Victrola XVII with the little drawer for used needles) with beautiful gold hardware, nice original finish, either of which you could have for $1150-1250, which would you choose?? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Moving Victrolas
I think Mike is on to something with the beer... I know the move Jerry spoke of (a million thanks to Jerry Blais and Bob Carver) was surprisingly hard. I don't think I realized now much harder things are at 52 than at 40 either. If I ever have to move again it will be to the home and someone else can move my crap! And, Mike and I can have a beer together while we watch! Dan On 12/5/06, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:42 AM, Stan Stanford wrote: Mike, Those were the same excuses you used then and always use. Are you really 55 now I also agree with Jerry, but remember the Vic II is lighter. Yeah, Mike's pretty much useless now. He'll only carry the light stuff and drink your beer. Now that I'm thinking of it, that's all I'll do now too... except the part about carrying the light stuff. ;) Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] phono-l mugs!
I received my 2006 and 2007 phono-l mugs over the weekend and I have to say they are very nice. It's a great way to help Loran out with this labor of love he provides at no cost to anyone. So I say, if you drink coffee or tea and like this list, buy the mugs! Merry Christmas! Dan Melvin From lo...@oldcrank.com Mon Dec 11 19:11:18 2006 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:09 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Straightening and polishing brass horns In-Reply-To: 008c01c71d5c$c8075930$0200a...@daddell References: 008c01c71d5c$c8075930$0200a...@daddell Message-ID: 9b03d881-2891-4198-84bd-681447d87...@oldcrank.com On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Walt wrote: I'll keep bringing the guys at the music shop more work because I believe they are probably as good as, if not better than, most who might specialize in phonograph horns. (Let's face it, if anyone actually specialized in such repair, Poppa Loran would know and they would have chimed in already, right Pop?) At the music store, these guys are probably handing a dozen instruments a day and are working with brass and steel, not to mention variations of bells and tubing whose sizes are all over the place. Two thumbs up for the music shops! Walt Walt, I agree... I've always heard that music shops were the way to go. So there you have it, straight from Poppa's mouth! Loran
[Phono-L] phono-l mugs!
Hi Jeff, The NW is doing OK. Typical winter rain and snow. Loran posted a link to the phono-l store that has the mugs. He gets some of the funds for each one sold. http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank Merry Christmas! Dan - Original Message - From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] phono-l mugs! Hi Dan, How's the great Northwest? I must have missed an e-mail? Are there pictures of these mugs anywhere? How much? Where do we send for them? Thanks, and Merry Christmas, Jeff -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:04 PM To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] phono-l mugs! I received my 2006 and 2007 phono-l mugs over the weekend and I have to say they are very nice. It's a great way to help Loran out with this labor of love he provides at no cost to anyone. So I say, if you drink coffee or tea and like this list, buy the mugs! Merry Christmas! Dan Melvin ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
