Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-16 Thread jeroen
There are some doubts on it, but because: Zak Greant: (...) I don't see how it could hurt to try. :) And the main advantage is: I just want a way to more easily keep track of what is going on. :) In fact, it is not so different from discussion on php-dev (it's only an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread derick
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, John Donagher wrote: With what end in mind is an RFC to be created for? In the IETF, RFC's are typically long, complex, and authoritative. They are often referenced for years after their inception. Do you honestly think we could (or want to) achieve this with PHP feature

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Stig Sæther Bakken
[Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi, About a month ago there was a discussion on the Engine 2 mailing list, about a possible RFC-proces for the more imporant PHP-issues. In the end, there was some consensus that it would be good if such a system exists. I'm simply writing to get

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 10:23 15-08-01, Stig Sæther Bakken wrote: [Hi, I think one of the problems with this is that even if php-dev comes up with a system for determining which feature it wants to see in PHP, we still depend on Zeev, Andi or someone else @ Zend to implement them. An RFC system would be a support

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Sterling Hughes
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 10:23 15-08-01, Stig Sæther Bakken wrote: [Hi, I think one of the problems with this is that even if php-dev comes up with a system for determining which feature it wants to see in PHP, we still depend on Zeev, Andi or someone else @ Zend to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 12:15 15-08-01, Sterling Hughes wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 10:23 15-08-01, Stig Sæther Bakken wrote: [Hi, I think one of the problems with this is that even if php-dev comes up with a system for determining which feature it wants to see in PHP, we still

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Andrei Zmievski
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: like. That's why the situation wouldn't change radically if/when the engine license changes, much like it wasn't any different *before* the engine license was even introduced, in the PHP 3.0 days. Having regulators over the 'kernel' of the project

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 18:13 15-08-01, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: like. That's why the situation wouldn't change radically if/when the engine license changes, much like it wasn't any different *before* the engine license was even introduced, in the PHP 3.0 days. Having

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread teo
Hi Andrei! On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: like. That's why the situation wouldn't change radically if/when the engine license changes, much like it wasn't any different *before* the engine license was even introduced, in the PHP 3.0

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Daniel Beckham
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC Hi Andrei! On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andrei Zmievski wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: like. That's why the situation wouldn't change radically if/when the engine license changes, much like

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Sterling Hughes
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 12:15 15-08-01, Sterling Hughes wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 10:23 15-08-01, Stig Sæther Bakken wrote: [Hi, I think one of the problems with this is that even if php-dev comes up with a system for determining

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 21:24 15-08-01, Sterling Hughes wrote: Oh - I see! So the Zend on the License is really just shorthand for Zeev and Andi, has nothing to do with Zend Technologies Ltd. Good to know. ;)) In practice, pretty much, yes. I don't remember Doron's, Adi's or Daniel's last

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-15 Thread Stig Sæther Bakken
[Sterling Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 10:23 15-08-01, Stig Sæther Bakken wrote: [Hi, I think one of the problems with this is that even if php-dev comes up with a system for determining which feature it wants to see in PHP, we still depend

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread James Moore
Ive written one or two before, mainly for the release process (I think its in CVS under README.realease_process or somthing like that). Id suggest people just get on and write them and post them to php-dev where people generally read them and make comments. I dont see what there is to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Jon Parise
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:18:06AM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: About a month ago there was a discussion on the Engine 2 mailing list, about a possible RFC-proces for the more imporant PHP-issues. In the end, there was some consensus that it would be good if such a system exists. I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
Just poit them to php-dev and keep bringing it up until there is some decent comment on it, at the moment there is no democratic process in PHP, people just do what they want and someone normally knows some part of PHP better than anyother, IE if you have a sessions thing speak to sascha (via

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread James Moore
On the other hand, the latter one could be named 'RFC process', since it hasn't yet been defined what the heck it is precisely... RFC.. Request For Comments, its as simple as that someone posts a document outlining what they want changed/want to do, calls it an RFC and is litterally making a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On the other hand, the latter one could be named 'RFC process', since it hasn't yet been defined what the heck it is precisely... RFC.. Request For Comments, its as simple as that someone posts a document outlining what they want changed/want to do, calls it an RFC and is litterally

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Joey Smith
: PHP Developers Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zak Greant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:18:06AM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: About a month ago

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread James Moore
The work on Zend Engine 2 has now started, _without_ a proper definition of it. IMHO, that's not the ideal situation, since this could lead to strange inconsequences, because the precise behaviour is decided during implementation. Umm what about the white paper that was prepaired before

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
The work on Zend Engine 2 has now started, _without_ a proper definition of it. IMHO, that's not the ideal situation, since this could lead to strange inconsequences, because the precise behaviour is decided during implementation. Umm what about the white paper that was prepaired

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread John Donagher
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, James Moore wrote: RFC.. Request For Comments, its as simple as that someone posts a document outlining what they want changed/want to do, calls it an RFC and is litterally making a request for comments on their idea. I think this is a good idea for large things but if

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
With what end in mind is an RFC to be created for? In the IETF, RFC's are typically long, complex, and authoritative. They are often referenced for years after their inception. Do you honestly think we could (or want to) achieve this with PHP feature RFC's? Or will they be used only before

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Joey Smith
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, John Donagher wrote the following to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: With what end in mind is an RFC to be created for? In the IETF, RFC's are typically long, complex, and authoritative. They are often referenced for years after their inception. Do you honestly think we could (or want

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Zak Greant
Jeroen wrote: They should _not_ be too technical, _not_ too long, but yet as simple as possible, but exactly as precise enough to be relatively unambigious if you know about the PHP conventions. For example like that zend engine 2 white paper. But they need to be updated, and not discarded.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Sterling Hughes
Proposal: Foo* -- ... Rasmus +0This should help fix issue x and bug y. Richard - Sascha +0This proposal supports RFC 10921 in a good way. Sterling -0RFC 10921 is kind of strange. Torben -1There is already too

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Joey Smith
+1: Strongly Support +0: Support 0: Neutral -0: Oppose -1: Strongly Oppose Are you doing a new O'Reilly book, PHP-DEV in a nutshell? -Sterling I especially enjoy the idea of positive zero and negative zero. :) -- PHP Development Mailing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Zak Greant
Joey wrote: Are you doing a new O'Reilly book, PHP-DEV in a nutshell? Subtitled: A Rogues Gallery ;) -Sterling I especially enjoy the idea of positive zero and negative zero. :) I think that +/-0 would accurately portray the sometimes odd nature of support for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Sterling Hughes
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Zak Greant wrote: Joey wrote: Are you doing a new O'Reilly book, PHP-DEV in a nutshell? Subtitled: A Rogues Gallery ;) -Sterling I especially enjoy the idea of positive zero and negative zero. :) I think that +/-0 would accurately portray

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread jimw
Sterling Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, (+-) 0 are really terms and votes, in other projects I've been involved in, there interpreted as I don't like it, but I won't stop you and I like it, but its not something I think is absolutely necessary right.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Zak Greant
, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC Sterling Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, (+-) 0 are really terms and votes, in other projects I've been involved in, there interpreted as I don't like it, but I won't stop you and I like it, but its not something I think

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread jimw
Zak Greant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I should have chosen the symbols more carefully. They seem to have generated more comments than the original proposal... Does anyone have any comments pertaining to the *concept*? :) i was trying to drive at the point that you've just restated a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Setting up RFC

2001-08-14 Thread Zak Greant
Jim wrote: Zak Greant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I should have chosen the symbols more carefully. They seem to have generated more comments than the original proposal... Does anyone have any comments pertaining to the *concept*? :) i was trying to drive at the point that you've