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Didier, It's not that people object to stupid questions being posed - or, indeed poor use of English. Some of the best responses to queries I've seen are from people for whom English is not their first language. What people do object to is questions being posed to the incorrect lists - I'm sure there are plenty of forums and mailing lists dedicated to both the areas you are keen to investigate. These will undoubtedly be the better sources of information. By keeping the lists dedicated to specific areas, even where these can interact, the lists are kept to more manageable proportions. Good luck with your explorations. Michael Egan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Thanks, I know my English is bad and I probably didnt articulate the question properly. I understand that some people think that newbies asking questions, or particpating in discussions should be subject to rude retorical questions, and I know that these people tend to feel that they need to place their 2 cents when they have nothing to add to the conversation. I understand that I'm not a briant coder or I might not have the best english. BUt I hope to learn or help someone else who asks a question that I can answer ... if I can't then I hope to learn from the answers he might recieve. But I do know that if I can't contribute, I'm not going to answer anything. ... btw thanks for the answer in the other email .. I'll check those out. From: "Michael Egan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Didier McGillis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [PHP] Development tools[Scanned] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:50:31 - Didier, I'm afraid you really are asking for some harsh responses. Your last comment in particular invites some rather obvious, albeit rude, acronyms. > I just started on both of them and wanting to learn how to use them, > but I know the tools could speed up the process, especially I am a learn > by doing type of guy. Perhaps a search on Google for Java or C++ might help you out. Michael Egan _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Didier, I meant to say Java and C++ IDEs. Regards, Michael Egan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Didier, I'm afraid you really are asking for some harsh responses. Your last comment in particular invites some rather obvious, albeit rude, acronyms. > I just started on both of them and wanting to learn how to use them, > but I know the tools could speed up the process, especially I am a learn > by doing >type of guy. Perhaps a search on Google for Java or C++ might help you out. Michael Egan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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> I usually always have my content dynamically generated by functions,
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apps with content.
me neither. You can mix up code and content only as long as you work
alone. But in most project (even very small ones) design resources and
coding resources are not the same person, as design is largely a matter
of customer taste, while proper coding is not.
Sometimes you have two people that are *far* from each other. Sometimes
they do not even have a common language. So the less they need to
interact, the better.
Besides, if the two things are well separeted you can port an
application from one design to another with little effort. Sort of
changing "skin" to a site. But you are attempting suicide when you do
that on a site that mixes the two components.
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I usually always have my content dynamically generated by functions, or displayed in include files. I'm not a fan of cluttering up my apps with content. Martin Clifford http://www.completesource.net (Now Open!) >>> "Lazor, Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/10/02 05:38PM >>> I am too. I've developed an approach to coding with Dreamweaver that allows me to take advantage of WYSIWYG and my own style of coding at the same time. The MX version of Dreamweaver is supposed to add support for code snipets, and a few other things. I'm looking forward to checking them out. Oh, and Dreamweaver has provided the most efficient WYSIWYG created code that I've seen so far. So... what do you do when it comes to creating actual content that's separate from the coding? My personal approach has been doing the coding necessary to create templates and then opening templates in Dreamweaver and filling in the blanks. -Ed -Original Message- WYSIWYG does nothing more for me than screw up my code. I'm very anal about how my code looks, firstly. Secondly, most WYSIWYG editors add superfluous markup into code which not only inflates the file size of your documents, but also slows down processing of them. I'm not saying that WYSIWYG isn't right for you, because obviously it is. I'm just saying that, to me, it might as well be fingernails running down a chalkboard for all the good it *doesn't* do me, personally. This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you very much. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I too am using a plain old text editor for PHP (Notepad), but I did enjoy the environment of Interdev for ASP... I think by far the best feature most development tools have to offer is the syntax highlighting, I like seeing comments in green/grey, with the plain text and vars in black, and a lot of the other syntax in red (with other colors for some things obviously). All in all, it's just the way it makes my code look that makes me like them a little bit more than normal text editors. I don't use the tools in any of those to create my pages, I code everything myself (I like to code things, including the forms ... even if they do get annoying sometimes). Oh ya, in most development toolsets when you start typing functions and stuff it will bring up a little drop down box (without stopping you from going on typing) with functions and variables starting with what you're typing. It's just nice. "Uwe Birkenhain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I think that - on windows - nothing is better than textpad > (www.textpad.com). > Simply the best editor the world has seen so far! > > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) > > Uwe > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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While I can't speak for others, in our office we use template files which contain all HTML and then parse content generated from php scripts into them about 90% of the time. Not only does separating your code from your HTML make it easier to change the look of a site, but it also makes the code much easier to maintain. If you're interested I would recommend checking out the FastTemplate class for an example of how this works. At 02:42 PM 7/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'm definitely curious and want to check out the debugging tools, >performance analyzer, and database connectivity tools provided by PHPEd. > >I get the impression most developers do not integrate coding and content. >Is this correct? > >-Ed > > >-Original Message- >These first two things are immediately obvious to even first time users and >will speed things up, but the real benefits come from other items such as a >integrated debugging tools, performance analyzers, a good class browser, >and built in database connectivity. If you're working in a team >environment having an IDE which has built-in support for a content >verification system can also be a huge advantage. Again, these features >will only benefit someone who knows how to use them. > >Unfortunately I have yet to find a truly good PHP IDE. The two best I've >found to date are NuSphere's PHPEd 3.0.0 (which unfortunately has dozens of >minor, but annoying bugs) and the Zend IDE (which is very nice, but it >crawls on anything but the fastest systems). If either of these fix the >for-mentioned issues I'd be the first in line to purchase them. > > >This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to >whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, >confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are >not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended >addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or >distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the >message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately >advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you very >much. > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I don't know about anyone else, But in linux I use vi and as of yesterday I downloaded Vi for windows, it has great colours for coding... --- Chris Kay Technical Support - Techex Communications Website: www.techex.com.au Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: 1300 88 111 2 - Fax: (02) 9970 5788 Address: Suite 13, 5 Vuko Place, Warriewood, NSW 2102 Platinum Channel Partner of the Year - Request DSL - Broadband for Business --- > -Original Message- > From: Peter J. Schoenster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 5:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP] Development Tools > > > On 10 Jul 2002 at 18:07, Uwe Birkenhain wrote: > > > I think that - on windows - nothing is better than textpad > > (www.textpad.com). Simply the best editor the world has seen so far! > > > > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious > > question) > > Well let me get my 2 cents in. It's a religious question. But oh > well. I recently had a lot of trouble with someone at work about > this, so I'm gonna rant. > > I too use TextPad and have been since I'm too lazy to get really good > at vi or emacs. I also know and use Perl extensively as a code > generator. Someone talked about the work in creating a form, just > give me the keys and boom form is done and read to be handed to the > designers to ruin in their special way. You could use Ruby or Rebol > or even Python I guess or PHP on the command line but I can't imagine > anyting being faster than a Perl script (to write). > > I keep trying these IDE tools. I type about 70+ wpm, so you can > imagine I'm not a fan of my hand speding half it's time in the air > between keyboard and mouse. I also try never to repeat the same code > twice so I don't cut and paste ... I put common functions in modules > and use them but few IDEs that I've used easily allow me to use those > or I haven't seen how. If anyone wants to create a great IDE for Perl > I'd love to help. It should work for PHP as well. > > I also separate my programming from my view and since I'm a > programmer and not a designer the visual view is not paramount to me > and can always be done later or at the same time by me or someone > else. I have a feeling that most PHP programmers also do their own > design and that's a reason for so much PHP stuff to have html strewn > all over the place. In any case I always think in terms of a theme > and since I've got most of my html code abstracted into "boxes" it's > just a question of my program to manipulate and supply the proper > data to the template. > > So for me, the best development tools are: > > 1. Imagination > 2. Knowledge of your tools (language, PHP, HTML, CSS, etc. in this > case) > 3. Knowledge of the computer and it's potential (I use NT as desktop > but have cygwin and use unix command tools and lots and lots of perl > scripts to aid > in development) > > 4. A good text editor (there are lots, they all have macros, revision > control, keyboard commands for as much as possible). > > Personally, I've never worked with a programmer who taught me > anything who used Dreamweaver or FrontPage etc ... all the good ones > I know use vi, emacs, textpad, etc. I'd suggest using a text editor > and then moving to an IDE or more advanced GUI and knowing that it is > faster for you as opposed to starting with an IDE or GUI because > you'll probably end up like most people and begin to think > possiblities are what your tool allows you. > > Peter > -- http://www.readbrazil.com/ > Answering Your Questions About Brazil > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I'm definitely curious and want to check out the debugging tools, performance analyzer, and database connectivity tools provided by PHPEd. I get the impression most developers do not integrate coding and content. Is this correct? -Ed -Original Message- These first two things are immediately obvious to even first time users and will speed things up, but the real benefits come from other items such as a integrated debugging tools, performance analyzers, a good class browser, and built in database connectivity. If you're working in a team environment having an IDE which has built-in support for a content verification system can also be a huge advantage. Again, these features will only benefit someone who knows how to use them. Unfortunately I have yet to find a truly good PHP IDE. The two best I've found to date are NuSphere's PHPEd 3.0.0 (which unfortunately has dozens of minor, but annoying bugs) and the Zend IDE (which is very nice, but it crawls on anything but the fastest systems). If either of these fix the for-mentioned issues I'd be the first in line to purchase them. This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you very much. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I am too. I've developed an approach to coding with Dreamweaver that allows me to take advantage of WYSIWYG and my own style of coding at the same time. The MX version of Dreamweaver is supposed to add support for code snipets, and a few other things. I'm looking forward to checking them out. Oh, and Dreamweaver has provided the most efficient WYSIWYG created code that I've seen so far. So... what do you do when it comes to creating actual content that's separate from the coding? My personal approach has been doing the coding necessary to create templates and then opening templates in Dreamweaver and filling in the blanks. -Ed -Original Message- WYSIWYG does nothing more for me than screw up my code. I'm very anal about how my code looks, firstly. Secondly, most WYSIWYG editors add superfluous markup into code which not only inflates the file size of your documents, but also slows down processing of them. I'm not saying that WYSIWYG isn't right for you, because obviously it is. I'm just saying that, to me, it might as well be fingernails running down a chalkboard for all the good it *doesn't* do me, personally. This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you very much. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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> Right off the bat, any good development tool will have code completion > abilities, which are basically the programmers version of nix consoles tab > completion. This little feature alone helps save time by reducing the > amount of typing required, not to mention can virtually eliminate type-o's > in function or variable names. ^n in vim completes function names, variable names, via dictionary completion (trivial configuration required) -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 10 Jul 2002 at 18:07, Uwe Birkenhain wrote: > I think that - on windows - nothing is better than textpad > (www.textpad.com). > Simply the best editor the world has seen so far! > > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious > question) Well let me get my 2 cents in. It's a religious question. But oh well. I recently had a lot of trouble with someone at work about this, so I'm gonna rant. I too use TextPad and have been since I'm too lazy to get really good at vi or emacs. I also know and use Perl extensively as a code generator. Someone talked about the work in creating a form, just give me the keys and boom form is done and read to be handed to the designers to ruin in their special way. You could use Ruby or Rebol or even Python I guess or PHP on the command line but I can't imagine anyting being faster than a Perl script (to write). I keep trying these IDE tools. I type about 70+ wpm, so you can imagine I'm not a fan of my hand speding half it's time in the air between keyboard and mouse. I also try never to repeat the same code twice so I don't cut and paste ... I put common functions in modules and use them but few IDEs that I've used easily allow me to use those or I haven't seen how. If anyone wants to create a great IDE for Perl I'd love to help. It should work for PHP as well. I also separate my programming from my view and since I'm a programmer and not a designer the visual view is not paramount to me and can always be done later or at the same time by me or someone else. I have a feeling that most PHP programmers also do their own design and that's a reason for so much PHP stuff to have html strewn all over the place. In any case I always think in terms of a theme and since I've got most of my html code abstracted into "boxes" it's just a question of my program to manipulate and supply the proper data to the template. So for me, the best development tools are: 1. Imagination 2. Knowledge of your tools (language, PHP, HTML, CSS, etc. in this case) 3. Knowledge of the computer and it's potential (I use NT as desktop but have cygwin and use unix command tools and lots and lots of perl scripts to aid in development) 4. A good text editor (there are lots, they all have macros, revision control, keyboard commands for as much as possible). Personally, I've never worked with a programmer who taught me anything who used Dreamweaver or FrontPage etc ... all the good ones I know use vi, emacs, textpad, etc. I'd suggest using a text editor and then moving to an IDE or more advanced GUI and knowing that it is faster for you as opposed to starting with an IDE or GUI because you'll probably end up like most people and begin to think possiblities are what your tool allows you. Peter -- http://www.readbrazil.com/ Answering Your Questions About Brazil -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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A good, well designed, development tool can provide a huge productivity boost over an editor if it's used properly. And I don't mean auto-generated code by this either. Right off the bat, any good development tool will have code completion abilities, which are basically the programmers version of nix consoles tab completion. This little feature alone helps save time by reducing the amount of typing required, not to mention can virtually eliminate type-o's in function or variable names. Another basic feature any good IDE will have is a built in library of all php functions so that you can view the function along with all its arguments while your typing. Need to use a rare function and can't remember the order of the arguments it requires? Having this feature eliminates the need for you to go look up the function to check this trivial item. Additionally a good IDE will automatically read in the definitions for functions and classes you have defined in the current project and automatically add them to the above mentioned items. These first two things are immediately obvious to even first time users and will speed things up, but the real benefits come from other items such as a integrated debugging tools, performance analyzers, a good class browser, and built in database connectivity. If you're working in a team environment having an IDE which has built-in support for a content verification system can also be a huge advantage. Again, these features will only benefit someone who knows how to use them. Unfortunately I have yet to find a truly good PHP IDE. The two best I've found to date are NuSphere's PHPEd 3.0.0 (which unfortunately has dozens of minor, but annoying bugs) and the Zend IDE (which is very nice, but it crawls on anything but the fastest systems). If either of these fix the for-mentioned issues I'd be the first in line to purchase them. At 06:07 PM 7/10/2002 +0200, Uwe Birkenhain wrote: >I think that - on windows - nothing is better than textpad >(www.textpad.com). >Simply the best editor the world has seen so far! > >What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) > >Uwe > > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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WYSIWYG does nothing more for me than screw up my code. I'm very anal about how my code looks, firstly. Secondly, most WYSIWYG editors add superfluous markup into code which not only inflates the file size of your documents, but also slows down processing of them. I'm not saying that WYSIWYG isn't right for you, because obviously it is. I'm just saying that, to me, it might as well be fingernails running down a chalkboard for all the good it *doesn't* do me, personally. Martin >>> "Lazor, Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/10/02 02:10PM >>> I like WYSIWYG integration. It allows me to code the page and then focus separately on web page content. That debugger in PHPEd looks pretty cool... too bad they don't have WYSIWYG. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I like WYSIWYG integration. It allows me to code the page and then focus separately on web page content. That debugger in PHPEd looks pretty cool... too bad they don't have WYSIWYG. -Original Message- I agree about WYSIWYG. I use UltraDev a lot, but don't use the WYSIWYG very much again more. UltraDev is great at managing your site and syntax highlighting. I love the update feature (change a file/image name and it updates all pages that use them to the new name) Also about plain programming editors, I like PFE too. Didn't know it was unsupported now(see Jay Blanchard comment above) This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you very much. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I agree about WYSIWYG. I use UltraDev a lot, but don't use the WYSIWYG very much again more. UltraDev is great at managing your site and syntax highlighting. I love the update feature (change a file/image name and it updates all pages that use them to the new name) Also about plain programming editors, I like PFE too. Didn't know it was unsupported now(see Jay Blanchard comment above) -- _ Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Martin Clifford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Exactly. Homesite is, in essence, Dreamweaver MX without the WYSIWYG. Syntax highlighting and code completion make it a very viable editor. I can't stand that WYSIWYG crap. I'm plenty good at messing up my own code without assistance, thank you very much! :o) Martin >>> "Bret L Conard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/10/02 12:24PM >>> Hence the happy medium of Homesite. acts as a basic text editor but allows some support for coding when needed/wanted. IMHP Bret - Original Message - From: "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Uwe Birkenhain'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Development Tools > [snip] > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) > [/snip] > > Over the course of time (I have been writing code for 25 years, many > languages, some compiled, some not) I have found that the most useful tool > in the arsenal is a good editor with no more features than line numbering. > When I find myself in times of code trouble (props to John Lennon) I will > almost always turn to an editor first. I have used many, and for my money > where web application development is concerned, Programmers File Editor (no > longer supported) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ for Windows, and > vi or pico on *nix are the editors of choice. I do use PHPedit from time to > time because, while it is buggy, it does do syntax highlighting and matches > brackets and other curly thingies well, which is especially helpful when > viewing large scripts with lots of code. > > I have and continue to use some IDE's for certain projects (Visual C++, > UltraDev for ASP code) but often find myself using an editor on the code > created by these. > > So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. > > Jay > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Exactly. Homesite is, in essence, Dreamweaver MX without the WYSIWYG. Syntax highlighting and code completion make it a very viable editor. I can't stand that WYSIWYG crap. I'm plenty good at messing up my own code without assistance, thank you very much! :o) Martin >>> "Bret L Conard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/10/02 12:24PM >>> Hence the happy medium of Homesite. acts as a basic text editor but allows some support for coding when needed/wanted. IMHP Bret - Original Message - From: "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Uwe Birkenhain'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Development Tools > [snip] > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) > [/snip] > > Over the course of time (I have been writing code for 25 years, many > languages, some compiled, some not) I have found that the most useful tool > in the arsenal is a good editor with no more features than line numbering. > When I find myself in times of code trouble (props to John Lennon) I will > almost always turn to an editor first. I have used many, and for my money > where web application development is concerned, Programmers File Editor (no > longer supported) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ for Windows, and > vi or pico on *nix are the editors of choice. I do use PHPedit from time to > time because, while it is buggy, it does do syntax highlighting and matches > brackets and other curly thingies well, which is especially helpful when > viewing large scripts with lots of code. > > I have and continue to use some IDE's for certain projects (Visual C++, > UltraDev for ASP code) but often find myself using an editor on the code > created by these. > > So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. > > Jay > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Dreamweaver has come along nicely. I have only dabbled at the MX version. Ultraedit, http://www.ultraedit.com/, has proven to be very nice at handling editing tasks of PHP, HTML, SQL, and hundreds of other languages. It can edit files via FTP which was useful to me years ago and continues to be a requrement; Probably any editor does that now. I use both of the above to attack web design projects. John On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Mark McCulligh wrote: >-I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was >-wondering what people are using out there. >- >-I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. >-I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This >-MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and >-debugging tools. >- >-Thanks, Mark. >-_ >-Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst >-Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com >-(888)225-6824 ex. 3262 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >- >- >--- >-PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >-To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >- ** John Huggins VANet [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.va.net/ ** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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HTML-Kit does it for me... great customisability... > -Original Message- > From: Bret L Conard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 10 July 2002 5:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP] Development Tools > > > snip/ > but often find myself using an editor on the code > created by these. > So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. > Jay > /snip > > Hence the happy medium of Homesite. acts as a basic text > editor but > allows some support for coding when needed/wanted. IMHP > > > Bret > - Original Message - > From: "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Uwe Birkenhain'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:21 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP] Development Tools > > > > [snip] > > What makes development tools better than a good editor? > (serious question) > > [/snip] > > > > Over the course of time (I have been writing code for 25 years, many > > languages, some compiled, some not) I have found that the > most useful tool > > in the arsenal is a good editor with no more features than > line numbering. > > When I find myself in times of code trouble (props to John > Lennon) I will > > almost always turn to an editor first. I have used many, > and for my money > > where web application development is concerned, Programmers > File Editor > (no > > longer supported) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ > for Windows, > and > > vi or pico on *nix are the editors of choice. I do use > PHPedit from time > to > > time because, while it is buggy, it does do syntax highlighting and > matches > > brackets and other curly thingies well, which is especially > helpful when > > viewing large scripts with lots of code. > > > > I have and continue to use some IDE's for certain projects > (Visual C++, > > UltraDev for ASP code) but often find myself using an > editor on the code > > created by these. > > > > So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I agree completely. Here is an editor I like because it can be customized. http://www.gwdsoft.com/ Todd -- Todd Cary Ariste Software 2200 D Street Extension Petaluma, CA 94952 707-773-4523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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snip/ but often find myself using an editor on the code created by these. So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. Jay /snip Hence the happy medium of Homesite. acts as a basic text editor but allows some support for coding when needed/wanted. IMHP Bret - Original Message - From: "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Uwe Birkenhain'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Development Tools > [snip] > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) > [/snip] > > Over the course of time (I have been writing code for 25 years, many > languages, some compiled, some not) I have found that the most useful tool > in the arsenal is a good editor with no more features than line numbering. > When I find myself in times of code trouble (props to John Lennon) I will > almost always turn to an editor first. I have used many, and for my money > where web application development is concerned, Programmers File Editor (no > longer supported) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ for Windows, and > vi or pico on *nix are the editors of choice. I do use PHPedit from time to > time because, while it is buggy, it does do syntax highlighting and matches > brackets and other curly thingies well, which is especially helpful when > viewing large scripts with lots of code. > > I have and continue to use some IDE's for certain projects (Visual C++, > UltraDev for ASP code) but often find myself using an editor on the code > created by these. > > So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. > > Jay > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Can't agree more, it's fine having Ultradev and the rest to get you started but the best end results come from understanding and writing code that is not bloated. For a great text editor that has all the features identified in PHPEdit but none of the bugs try JEdit www.jedit.org Zac - Original Message - From: "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Uwe Birkenhain'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Development Tools > [snip] > What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) > [/snip] > > Over the course of time (I have been writing code for 25 years, many > languages, some compiled, some not) I have found that the most useful tool > in the arsenal is a good editor with no more features than line numbering. > When I find myself in times of code trouble (props to John Lennon) I will > almost always turn to an editor first. I have used many, and for my money > where web application development is concerned, Programmers File Editor (no > longer supported) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ for Windows, and > vi or pico on *nix are the editors of choice. I do use PHPedit from time to > time because, while it is buggy, it does do syntax highlighting and matches > brackets and other curly thingies well, which is especially helpful when > viewing large scripts with lots of code. > > I have and continue to use some IDE's for certain projects (Visual C++, > UltraDev for ASP code) but often find myself using an editor on the code > created by these. > > So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. > > Jay > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[snip] What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) [/snip] Over the course of time (I have been writing code for 25 years, many languages, some compiled, some not) I have found that the most useful tool in the arsenal is a good editor with no more features than line numbering. When I find myself in times of code trouble (props to John Lennon) I will almost always turn to an editor first. I have used many, and for my money where web application development is concerned, Programmers File Editor (no longer supported) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ for Windows, and vi or pico on *nix are the editors of choice. I do use PHPedit from time to time because, while it is buggy, it does do syntax highlighting and matches brackets and other curly thingies well, which is especially helpful when viewing large scripts with lots of code. I have and continue to use some IDE's for certain projects (Visual C++, UltraDev for ASP code) but often find myself using an editor on the code created by these. So to answer the question above ... nothing beats a good editor. Jay -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I think that - on windows - nothing is better than textpad (www.textpad.com). Simply the best editor the world has seen so far! What makes development tools better than a good editor? (serious question) Uwe -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I have been using UltraDev for the last year with my ASP code and it is great. The best I have seen let for ASP. But UltraDev with PHP is mainly just a fancy Notepad. But it sounds like they did a good job with MX/PHP. Also if MX work the same way they did UltraDev you can edit the code it writes for you. Example your question about customizing your MySQL error "or die(mysql_error())". This is build by script installed on your machine and are editable. For you can find the MySQL script and change "or die(mysql_error())" too what you want. You can do a search on macromedia's site on how. I have never did let, but read about it in a book on Ultrradev once. Thanks for you input, Mark. _ Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Dan Vande More" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark McCulligh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] Development Tools > Mark, > > I have been developing with PHP for 1 year now, and about 1 month ago got DMX, I have to say that I spend much much less time on building forms and little repetitive work, and more on building applications. I would have to say that DMX increased my productivity by at least 5 times.(I suck at building forms because I spend to much time perfecting them) > There is an initial learning curve, because DMX does some things different from what I had known, and some weird behaviors at times, and it certainly cannot be your entire application builder but I can safely say that I love it. > Do not attempt to work with it if you do not have a fundamental understanding of PHP, because it has some weird quirks that I were hard to pinpoint for myself. > But for building dynamic drop down lists, and recordsets, and update pages, it is great. > I wish they had built in some kind of form checker where you could say, "check this field because it is a date" and "check this field when submitted because it is required" > I also wish you could customize your mysql error messages, instead every one of them ends in "or die(mysql_error())" > Maybe they do have these, and I have not yet found them, so forgive me if my statements are incorrect.( and help me cause I'd love them!) > Again, it won't do user error checking, and when forms get complicated you have to do some manual editing, and the errors are generic. > But it is certainly worth that money. > > Thanks > Dan > > -Original Message- > From: Mark McCulligh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PHP] Development Tools > > > I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was > wondering what people are using out there. > > I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. > I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This > MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and > debugging tools. > > Thanks, Mark. > _ > Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst > Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com > (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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>When I'm at home, however, I typically use Macromedia Homesite 5 >(simply because it has PHP syntax highlighting). Ditto (except v4.0) I like it for support of lots of languages. Javascript, ASP, PHP, CFM etc. Bret - Original Message - From: "Martin Clifford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] Development Tools I use the almighty Notepad for my coding. When I'm at home, however, I typically use Macromedia Homesite 5 (simply because it has PHP syntax highlighting). I tried using PHPEdit, but I thought it was horrible. It was buggy, and annoying. PHP Master Editor is VERY good, and you can probably find it on downloads.com. I've never tried Zend, but it does look very interesting. And since they created the engine for PHP, you would think they're editor would be god, but that, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be the case very often. HTH Martin >>> "Mark McCulligh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/10/02 11:42AM >>> I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was wondering what people are using out there. I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and debugging tools. Thanks, Mark. _ Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Maguma Studio Light is pretty good - www.maguma.com Mark McCulligh wrote: > ** > This Message Was Virus Checked With : SAVI 3.59 May 2002 > Last Updated 8th July 2002 > ** > > I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was > wondering what people are using out there. > > I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. > I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This > MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and > debugging tools. > > Thanks, Mark. > _ > Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst > Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com > (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.curvedvision.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Mark, I have been developing with PHP for 1 year now, and about 1 month ago got DMX, I have to say that I spend much much less time on building forms and little repetitive work, and more on building applications. I would have to say that DMX increased my productivity by at least 5 times.(I suck at building forms because I spend to much time perfecting them) There is an initial learning curve, because DMX does some things different from what I had known, and some weird behaviors at times, and it certainly cannot be your entire application builder but I can safely say that I love it. Do not attempt to work with it if you do not have a fundamental understanding of PHP, because it has some weird quirks that I were hard to pinpoint for myself. But for building dynamic drop down lists, and recordsets, and update pages, it is great. I wish they had built in some kind of form checker where you could say, "check this field because it is a date" and "check this field when submitted because it is required" I also wish you could customize your mysql error messages, instead every one of them ends in "or die(mysql_error())" Maybe they do have these, and I have not yet found them, so forgive me if my statements are incorrect.( and help me cause I'd love them!) Again, it won't do user error checking, and when forms get complicated you have to do some manual editing, and the errors are generic. But it is certainly worth that money. Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: Mark McCulligh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] Development Tools I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was wondering what people are using out there. I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and debugging tools. Thanks, Mark. _ Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I use the almighty Notepad for my coding. When I'm at home, however, I typically use Macromedia Homesite 5 (simply because it has PHP syntax highlighting). I tried using PHPEdit, but I thought it was horrible. It was buggy, and annoying. PHP Master Editor is VERY good, and you can probably find it on downloads.com. I've never tried Zend, but it does look very interesting. And since they created the engine for PHP, you would think they're editor would be god, but that, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be the case very often. HTH Martin >>> "Mark McCulligh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/10/02 11:42AM >>> I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was wondering what people are using out there. I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and debugging tools. Thanks, Mark. _ Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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PHPED is really good if you have the money to spend... B i g D o g - Original Message - From: "Mark McCulligh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [PHP] Development Tools > I am looking for a good Development tool to write my PHP in and was > wondering what people are using out there. > > I have been looking at Dreamweaver MX, Zend Studio 2.5 and phpEdit. > I know UltraDev 4 well with ASP, but the new MX now supports PHP. This > MX/PHP any good? Zend looks good with the integrated documentation and > debugging tools. > > Thanks, Mark. > _ > Mark McCulligh, Application Developer / Analyst > Sykes Canada Corporation www.SykesCanada.com > (888)225-6824 ex. 3262 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
