[OT] Ds threaten tax break

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

Passed Senate 93-2, uncertain in House.

http://news.aol.com/article/house-takes-up-senate-passed-tax-break/177094?cid=12
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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Alan Bourke

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:40:07 -0300, Ricardo Araoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Those tens or hundreds thousands of systems has each payed a more than
 fair price for the product, besides those millions of lines of C++
 were written by lots (and not just one) programmers. So I guess the
 scales are even. They should fix the bloody bugs!

Anyone know how roughly many devs and testers are on the VFP team in MS
these days? 
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[OT] Obama linked to Chicago Pol Machine

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-24-sep24,0,1898337.column

Mayor Daley denies it? Must be true, then.
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RE: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Allen
None ?
Al 

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Anyone know how roughly many devs and testers are on the VFP team in MS
these days? 



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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Jeff Johnson
After reading the link that Rick provided, I am not understanding what 
everyone is saying about this thread.

 From the KB:

SYMPTOMS
After changing the format of a memo field to upper case in the Report 
Writer, the error String Too Long to Fit appears when attempting to 
print or preview the report.

Back to the top
CAUSE
The Report Writer's expression builder cannot convert fields larger than 
256 characters to upper case. You must use the UPPER() function to 
convert those fields.

Back to the top
WORKAROUND
In the Report Expression box for the field, use the UPPER() function to 
transform the memo-field contents to upper case.

In the designer when you press Format, To Upper it will not convert the 
memo field to upper case in the designer.  It says to use UPPER(field) 
in the control source as a work around.  Everyone in this thread says 
that VFP should be able to do an UPPER() on a memo field and apparently 
it does.

Am I missing something?

Jeff

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Rick Schummer wrote:
 If you're really curious, and not just being defensive about MS
 
 I absolutely was not defensive about MS, and in fact stated about the issue 
 in the KB article: I
 agree it is a poor design to have a string too long error when you UPPER() a 
 memo field. 
 
 And while your exhaustive explanations may be technically correct, they 
 still leave a bad
 impression.
 
 No doubt users hate to hear their alleged bugs are by design. I know, me too. 
 Yet I have an open
 mind when working with all software vendors when they report this back to me. 
 I also call them on
 the carpet when I think their designs are wrong and need to be fixed. Do not 
 confuse the true
 definition of bugs and the real world implementation of the business process 
 to deal with them. They
 are completely different issues. It is also why I stated that small companies 
 (like most of the
 people who frequent this list) can out maneuver the big boys, and be way 
 better at responding to the
 customers' needs including issues reported about the software we create.
 
 Go through these, and see how reports are handled. If you find a case  
 of either Paul or me being dismissive about a report, please point it out.
 
 Really don't have the time to handle this request. I am having too much fun 
 working on VFP projects
 at the moment, securing new projects, and growing my business. Knowing what I 
 know about you two, I
 am sure you guys handle the reports with nothing but the best intentions of 
 the Dabo developer base.
 
 Rick
 White Light Computing, Inc.
 
 www.whitelightcomputing.com
 www.swfox.net
 www.rickschummer.com
 
 
 
 
 
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[OT] O-boy's misfire on McCain's cars?

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

O-boy said that McCain had three foreign cars. The fact is that out of 
thirteen cars in the family (including driving age kids, the man is 72) 
the three foreign cars are owned by family members, not McCain himself. 
McCain's own car is US built, he himself owns only one car.

Of the three foreign cars, a Lexus, a Volkswagen and a Honda, aren't 
two of them made in the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_of_America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda#United_States

O-boy is making himself into an a**hole.
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RE: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Alan Bourke

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:12:33 +0200, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 None ?

Give that man a cigar!
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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Jeff Johnson
As a follow up to my last post, I did not even know there was a To 
Upper button.  I have never used it.  I always used UPPER() which works 
fine on large memo fields.

The issue for me is the error.  Can anyone figure out from the error 
which field is causing the error?  Or is it a label?  I have used the 
report designer for hundreds of reports over the years and that is my 
number 1 complaint.  If that is by design I don't think it is a good one.

Jeff

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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Jeff Johnson
One more point.  I did the test in the KB and it throws the same error 
in VFP7, so they apparently didn't think it was a bug in VFP7.

Jeff

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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

 Am I missing something?

The original complaint, which has been repeatedly sidestepped, is  
that instead of just calling it a bug, they said that it was by  
design. My point is that even if something is working the way it was  
designed, it can still be a bug. Lots of text has been thrown about  
explaining why it works the way it does, but it still ignores the fact  
that it is cowardly and annoying for them to insist that this isn't a  
bug.

Hey, anyone remember Y2K? That was most definitely by design, and  
there were very good efficiency reasons that dates were stored the way  
they were. But it was still a bug: dates have century components. And  
256+ character-long strings can be cast to upper case.

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[OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-on-you-right-now.html

Straight forward article on common sense, right?

Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help guru and politician
knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky doubting thoughts
in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or slogan. Those are
referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because for better or
worse, they do exactly that. 

Isn't that #1 in the Madigan playbook.  Say it over and over and
people will believe you?   ;-

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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

 Am I missing something?

The original complaint, which has been repeatedly sidestepped, is
 that instead of just calling it a bug, they said that it was by
 design. My point is that even if something is working the way it was
 designed, it can still be a bug. Lots of text has been thrown about
 explaining why it works the way it does, but it still ignores the fact
 that it is cowardly and annoying for them to insist that this isn't a
 bug.

Hey, anyone remember Y2K? That was most definitely by design, and
 there were very good efficiency reasons that dates were stored the way
 they were. But it was still a bug: dates have century components. And
 256+ character-long strings can be cast to upper case.
---

There you go again getting picky.  ;-



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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

 Straight forward article on common sense, right?

 Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help guru and politician
 knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky doubting thoughts
 in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or slogan. Those are
 referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because for better or
 worse, they do exactly that. 


The only problem is that most people think that they are above such  
ploys, and that their opinions are well-informed and solid, and not  
manipulated by Drudge-style sensationalism. So they'll read a tiny bit  
of the article, decide that it doesn't apply to them because they are  
*so* much better than that, and then paste another Drill, baby,  
drill bumper sticker on their car.

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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:
 http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-on-you-right-now.html
 
 Straight forward article on common sense, right?
 
 Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help guru and politician
 knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky doubting thoughts
 in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or slogan. Those are
 referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because for better or
 worse, they do exactly that. 

Hi Stephen!

What, you mean like Bush LIED!?
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
 
 Straight forward article on common sense, right?

 Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help guru and politician
 knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky doubting thoughts
 in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or slogan. Those are
 referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because for better or
 worse, they do exactly that. 
 
 
   The only problem is that most people think that they are above such  
 ploys, and that their opinions are well-informed and solid, and not  
 manipulated by Drudge-style sensationalism. So they'll read a tiny bit  
 of the article, decide that it doesn't apply to them because they are  
 *so* much better than that, and then paste another Drill, baby,  
 drill bumper sticker on their car.

Hi Ed!

This is just the thing for you to use as an example: Really big in 
Florida, much better for the car, the environment, the driver . . .

http://ahotcupofjoe.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/nitrogen-filled-tires-a-scam/
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[OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

 Straight forward article on common sense, right?

 Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help guru and politician
 knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky doubting thoughts
 in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or slogan. Those are
 referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because for better or
 worse, they do exactly that. 


The only problem is that most people think that they are above such
 ploys, and that their opinions are well-informed and solid, and not
 manipulated by Drudge-style sensationalism. So they'll read a tiny bit
 of the article, decide that it doesn't apply to them because they are
 *so* much better than that, and then paste another Drill, baby,
 drill bumper sticker on their car.


I had a few conversations about this drill bullshit at the Packer game
on Sunday night.

I asked if they really think that tripling our USA production would
change the price at the pump, or just make Exxon and other richer?

The puzeled look on their faces was priceless.  Nobody had ever
thought about the true outcome.  Just follow the lead line and it must
be true.  I would bet that these same people first sent their kids or
grand kids SSN's around to ???Gerber for free savings bonds.

I can see why Palin wants to drill.  Her state will get jobs, money,
taxes, just about everything good will come their way.

What about Ohio, New England or Iowa?  They get raped.  Same high
prices at the pump or for home heating oil.  No change there.

Welcome to the internet.  Now disengage your brain.  It is all true
here, no need to think anymore.

Nom Nom Nom...

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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
snip
 *so* much better than that, and then paste another Drill, baby,
 drill bumper sticker on their car.
snip
 I asked if they really think that tripling our USA production would
 change the price at the pump, or just make Exxon and other richer?
snip
 Welcome to the internet.  Now disengage your brain.  It is all true
 here, no need to think anymore.

Hi Stephen!

But you could do the same thing with your message which, as I understand 
it, is oil could be cheap. Turn it into a jingle and saturate the web 
with it. Why don't you?
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
 snip
 *so* much better than that, and then paste another Drill, baby,
 drill bumper sticker on their car.
 snip
 I asked if they really think that tripling our USA production would
 change the price at the pump, or just make Exxon and other richer?
 snip
 Welcome to the internet.  Now disengage your brain.  It is all true
 here, no need to think anymore.

 Hi Stephen!

 But you could do the same thing with your message which, as I understand
 it, is oil could be cheap. Turn it into a jingle and saturate the web
 with it. Why don't you?


Because the price is set by others.  So it cannot be cheap.  Do you
watch the price per barrel change on a daily basis?


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[OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
From Today's reading.  Luke 9:1-6

1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority
over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach
the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, Take nothing
for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not
have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from
there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave
that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against
them. 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching
the gospel and healing everywhere.

Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.

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Re: [OT] Wow, that didn't take long...

2008-09-24 Thread Helio Wakasugui
How come? No witty replies from our republican friends?

HW

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...to do a complete about-face:

 We do not support government bailouts of private institutions.
 Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the
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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Mike Stewart
 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:53:56 -0500
 From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: VFP9

 but it still ignores the fact
 that it is cowardly and annoying for them to insist that this isn't a
 bug.

Except that I think you've put more thought into the resolution than
the resolver of the bug did.  It's not unreasonable to argue that it
is indeed a bug; I'm with you there.  I also don't think it
unreasonable to argue that the function that is called was originally
designed to handle  256 chars, semantically making it by design.
It's not like there was an hour-long meeting about this one, complete
with debates on how to spin this PR disaster; more like five minutes
in triage (tops), and then next bug, please.

In the end, the outcome is the same: it's not going to get fixed, and
there is a reasonable (to me) workaround.

-- 
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stephen Russell wrote:

 But you could do the same thing with your message which, as I understand
 it, is oil could be cheap. Turn it into a jingle and saturate the web
 with it. Why don't you?
 
 
 Because the price is set by others.  So it cannot be cheap.  Do you
 watch the price per barrel change on a daily basis?

Hi Stephen!

But once it was all from our wells, could not we control the price?
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:
From Today's reading.  Luke 9:1-6
 
 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority
 over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach
 the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, Take nothing
 for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not
 have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from
 there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave
 that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against
 them. 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching
 the gospel and healing everywhere.
 
 Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.

Hi Stephen!

How long can you wear tunics in the ME before they, and you, get smelly?

Do we have authority over all demons and to cure diseases? I want to 
cure homosexuality and feminism this week, cancer and diabetes next week.
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] Wow, that didn't take long...

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Helio Wakasugui wrote:
 How come? No witty replies from our republican friends?

...to do a complete about-face:

 We do not support government bailouts of private institutions.
 Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the
 marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct
 itself.

-- from the 2008 Republican Party Platform, adopted earlier this
 month

Hi Helio!

It isn't the kind of story that lends itself to wit. Of course, no 
president controls the economy, the market does that. The deregulation 
really started with Carter, Nixon not only controlled prices, but wages 
as well.

You have to be awfully careful, too much control and the economy dies, 
too little and there is inflation. Carter managed to do both.
-- 
Regards,

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Any way to automate reverse phone lookup sites

2008-09-24 Thread msavage
I think it would be neat if my app, could go to the web and get address
info for a customer from a reverse lookup site, like sympaitico.

I can go the appropriate page, navigating useing IE object. However, how
do I fill in the phone no field automatically and execute the query.? Then
I need to read the result.

Any ideas?
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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread richmondeagle
http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html

Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've accepted?

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RE: Any way to automate reverse phone lookup sites

2008-09-24 Thread Tracy Pearson
You might need to sign up with one of them and use the API they have
available. If you read some of the fine print, there is a Fair Use policy
that will limit the IP to 10 uses for the hour.

Dig deep enough into the IE object with the page loaded, you'll find objects
which can be filled in and automated.



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I think it would be neat if my app, could go to the web and get address info
for a customer from a reverse lookup site, like sympaitico.

I can go the appropriate page, navigating useing IE object. However, how do
I fill in the phone no field automatically and execute the query.? Then I
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Any ideas?
Mike



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autoincremental values

2008-09-24 Thread Rafael Copquin
I have a table with two fields configured as integer autoinc.This is a father 
table. The child table is invdetails.

Both tables are within a transaction

The table is replicated in a cursor adapter, ie, the actual table is 
invtotals.dbf and the cursor adapter is called curInvTotals
The autoinc fields are:

id  int autoinc with a current value of 1234
ctl int autoinc with a current value of 5687

I append a record to the cursor (curInvTotals), add the data for all fields, 
remove both autoinc fields from the CA and save everything with tableupdate()
(the buffering is set to 5) The removal is done so as to avoid an error since 
the autoinc fields are readonly (I do not want to use set autoincerror)

As a result of the addition of 1 record, the first field, (the PK) becomes 
1235. I obtain its value with getautoincvalue() and store it into a property to 
be used for including in every record in the child table (invdetails)

My question is, how can I determine the value of the ctl field (which should 
now have become 5688)? The getautoincvalue function only gives me the increment 
value of the first field in the table (id), but not the value of the second 
field (ctl)

The pseudocode of what I am doing is:

begin transaction
append one record to the father table (both autoinc fields add 1 to the number 
already there)
replace the remaining records with the invoice total, taxes, date,customer 
number, etc
remove both autoinc fields from the cursor (a cursor adapter)
save this table with tableupdate
get the PK value from the autoincremental field with getautoincvalue()
if save is OK proceed to saving all records in the child table
select child table
replace foreign key field in all records with PK from father table (obtained 
with getautoincvalue)
save child table with tableupdate
if save is ok then end transaction otherwise rollback

I need the second autoincremental value from the father table, the control 
field ctl, to replace in the appropriate field in the child table.

So again, how can I obtain this value?

TIA
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Nicholas Geti

 Stephen Russell wrote:
From Today's reading.  Luke 9:1-6
 
 1 And he called the twelve together and gave them power and authority
 over all demons and to cure diseases, 2 and he sent them out to preach
 the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, Take nothing
 for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not
 have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from
 there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave
 that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against
 them. 6 And they departed and went through the villages, preaching
 the gospel and healing everywhere.
 
 Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.
 
Yeah, and look what happened to him. He arose, we cannot.



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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread richmondeagle
Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.

It's kind of convenient to base a whole doctrine on one scripture.  In this 
case you missed the cleansing of the temple where the shysters were physically 
chased from the premises.  You might also consider that when the disciples were 
sent out after Jesus ministry was over, they were told to take a sword.  How 
very violent in both cases.

There were other cases, but that should get the thought process going.

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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Helio Wakasugui
You're talking about religious ignoramuses, right?

HW

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html

 Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've
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Re: [OT] Hey U.S., welcome to the Third World!

2008-09-24 Thread Helio Wakasugui
That odd couple in the closet, Pete and MadandGay, must be in dispair...

HW

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Helio Wakasugui
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Rosa 
 Brookshttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-columnist-rbrooks,0,3062140.columnist
 :
  Hey U.S., welcome to the Third World!
  It's been a quick slide from economic superpower to economic basket case.
 Rosa Brooks
 September 18, 2008

 http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks18-2008sep18,0,6908905.column


 Dear United States, Welcome to the Third World!

 It's not every day that a superpower makes a bid to transform itself into a
 Third World nation, and we here at the World Bank and the International
 Monetary Fund want to be among the first to welcome you to the community of
 states in desperate need of international economic assistance. As you spiral
 into a catastrophic financial meltdown, we are delighted to respond to your
 Treasury Department's request that we undertake a joint stability assessment
 of your financial sector. In these turbulent times, we can provide services
 ranging from subsidized loans to expert advisors willing to perform an
 emergency overhaul of your entire government.

 As you know, some outside intervention in your economy is overdue. Last
 week -- even before Wall Street's latest collapse -- 13 former finance
 ministers convened at the University of Virginia and agreed that you must
 fix your broken financial system. Australia's Peter Costello noted that
 lately you've been exporting instability in world markets, and Yashwant
 Sinha, former finance minister of India, concluded, The time has come. The
 U.S. should accept some monitoring by the IMF.

 We hope you won't feel embarrassed as we assess the stability of your
 economy and suggest needed changes. Remember, many other countries have been
 in your shoes. We've bailed out the economies of Argentina, Brazil,
 Indonesia and South Korea. But whether our work is in Sudan, Bangladesh or
 now the United States, our experts are committed to intervening in national
 economies with care and sensitivity.

 We thus want to acknowledge the progress you have made in your evolution
 from economic superpower to economic basket case. Normally, such a process
 might take 100 years or more. With your oscillation between free-market
 extremism and nationalization of private companies, however, you have
 successfully achieved, in a few short years, many of the key hallmarks of
 Third World economies.

 Your policies of irresponsible government deregulation in critical sectors
 allowed you to rapidly develop an energy crisis, a housing crisis, a credit
 crisis and a financial market crisis, all at once, and accompanied (and
 partly caused) by impressive levels of corruption and speculation.
 Meanwhile, those of your political leaders charged with oversight were
 either napping or in bed with corporate lobbyists.

 Take John McCain, your Republican presidential nominee, whose senior staff
 includes half a dozen prominent former lobbyists. As he recently put it, I
 was chairman of the [Senate] Commerce Committee that oversights every part
 of the economy. No question about it: Your leaders' failure to notice the
 damage done by irresponsible deregulation was indeed an oversight of epic
 proportions.

 Now you are facing the consequences. Income inequality has increased, as
 the rich have gotten windfalls while the middle class has seen incomes
 stagnate. Fewer and fewer of your citizens have access to affordable
 housing, healthcare or security in retirement. Even life expectancy has
 dropped. And when your economic woes went from chronic to acute, you
 responded -- like so many Third World states have -- with an extensive
 program of nationalizing private companies and assets. Your mortgage giants
 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now state owned and controlled, and this week
 your reinsurance giant AIG was effectively nationalized, with the Federal
 Reserve Board seizing an 80% equity stake in the flailing company.

 Some might deride this as socialism. But desperate times call for desperate
 measures.

 Admittedly, your transition to Third World status is far from over, and it
 won't be painless. At first, for instance, you may find it hard to get used
 to the shantytowns that will replace the exurban sprawl of McMansions that
 helped fuel the real estate speculation bubble. But in time, such
 shantytowns will simply become part of the landscape. Similarly, as
 unemployment rates continue to rise, you will initially struggle to find a
 use for the expanding pool of angry, jobless young men. But you will
 gradually realize that you can recruit them to fight in a ceaseless round of
 armed conflicts, a solution that has been utilized by many other Third World
 states before you. Indeed, with your wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you are
 off to an excellent start.

 Perhaps this letter comes as a surprise to you, and you feel you're not
 fully ready to join the Third World. Don't 

Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

 Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.

What a commie pinko fag.

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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stephen Russell wrote:

 But you could do the same thing with your message which, as I understand
 it, is oil could be cheap. Turn it into a jingle and saturate the web
 with it. Why don't you?
 

 Because the price is set by others.  So it cannot be cheap.  Do you
 watch the price per barrel change on a daily basis?

 Hi Stephen!

 But once it was all from our wells, could not we control the price?
 --
---

No.  It is speculated.  Much like agriculture products.  That being
said there are a large number of investors who want to push it up to
make money along the way.

Now this is just at the barrel level.  Past that there is refinery
fees that are independent and one refinery will do most of the fule
consumed in a given area.  They just add the additives that make it
Texaco, Exxon, 7-11, etc.

Then you have the resellers who buy it in bulk and retail it to the public.

When the airlines use to have a price war to get travelers it was
something.  Their situation is very different from oil mind you.  they
controlled their raw materials and labor.  The price per barrel is set
daily and everyone around the world pays it.

Second our rate of consumption for gas is so large that the USA could
never sustain it over many years, 10-15-20  We just don't have enough
of those dead critters buried underground for us.

-- 
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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:

 But you could do the same thing with your message which, as I understand
 it, is oil could be cheap.

 Because the price is set by others.  So it cannot be cheap.

 But once it was all from our wells, could not we control the price?
 
 Second our rate of consumption for gas is so large that the USA could
 never sustain it over many years, 10-15-20  We just don't have enough

Hi Stephen!

Granting the first set of facts you mention, your second point could be 
bogus oil company propaganda. They have been saying there isn't enough 
periodically ever since there has been a market for oil and then as soon 
as the price goes up there is all kinds of new oil discovered and we are 
awash in it until they want another raise.
-- 
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.

 It's kind of convenient to base a whole doctrine on one scripture.  In this 
 case you missed the cleansing of the temple where the shysters were 
 physically chased from the premises.  You might also consider that when the 
 disciples were sent out after Jesus ministry was over, they were told to take 
 a sword.  How very violent in both cases.

 There were other cases, but that should get the thought process going.
---

Cleaning of the Temple, OK let's discuss that.

The force applied was to get attention of those around to see that the
place of worship was foremost a convenience store in it's time.  you
came into the temple and you have to have a sacrifice.  So you can buy
birds, goats,  Now of course the Euro was not available and each
area in Judea as well as Israel had it's own currency.  So you had to
have the money changers so you could buy in Jerusalem.

All in all Jesus was there to show the Jewish leaders that the were
doing it wrong in the eyes of God.  They had corrupted the law to
verify that only they could comprehend it.  Sounds like our torte
system???

Anyway did Jesus harm anyone, or destroy the merchandise for sale?  Or
did he create the show to get people to understand the point he was
making?

Acts was written in the 70's and outside of The Rock Jesus didn't
say much.  ;)  He may have inflicted blindness and then fixed it to
get someones attention and all.  ;-

I'll have to question you on the sword reference.  What passage are
you referencing?
-- 
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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Granting the first set of facts you mention, your second point could be
 bogus oil company propaganda. They have been saying there isn't enough
 periodically ever since there has been a market for oil and then as soon
 as the price goes up there is all kinds of new oil discovered and we are
 awash in it until they want another raise.
 --
--

Do you not have a clue or are you just a laughing troll?

If oil price is  40 USD / barrel you only go after easy to access oil
or buy it from others.

When price triples it is now justified to spend the extra USD to get
those barrels today.  It is justified to go after oil shale rock and
squeeze the from it if you can do it at 85. USD per barrel.

So Pete it has always been there. Just a function on how difficult to
get it and at what cost.






-- 
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Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Mimeo.com
Memphis TN

901.246-0159


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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Sounds like Ed is coming to Jesus.


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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:30 PM
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
 
  Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.
 
   What a commie pinko fag.
 
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Granting the first set of facts you mention, your second point could be
 bogus oil company propaganda. They have been saying there isn't enough
 periodically ever since there has been a market for oil and then as soon
 as the price goes up there is all kinds of new oil discovered and we are
 awash in it until they want another raise.

 If oil price is  40 USD / barrel you only go after easy to access oil
 or buy it from others.
 
 When price triples it is now justified to spend the extra USD to get
 those barrels today.  It is justified to go after oil shale rock and
 squeeze the from it if you can do it at 85. USD per barrel.
 
 So Pete it has always been there. Just a function on how difficult to
 get it and at what cost.

Hi Stephen!

Seems to me the offshore oil that it looks like we will finally drill is 
just as accessible as the oil they have been using for the last 40 
years. Just that the whiny Ds are finally letting it be drilled for.
-- 
Regards,

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Re: autoincremental values

2008-09-24 Thread Rafael Copquin
Further to the below, I just discovered that in reality, it is the second 
autoinc field that getautoincvalue() takes its value from. But my problem is 
still the same. I simply moved the pk field from position 1 in the table to 
the last position, ie it becomes the last field in the table. 
Getautoincvalue gets its value from this field.

Now, in order to get the autoinc value from the first field (Ctl), I do a 
tableupdate and immediately afterwards I read the PK autoinc value with the 
above function and the CTL field autoinc value directly from the table (not 
the cursor adapter)

Is there a better way?
Rafael Copquin



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From: Rafael Copquin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: autoincremental values


I have a table with two fields configured as integer autoinc.This is a 
father table. The child table is invdetails.

 Both tables are within a transaction

 The table is replicated in a cursor adapter, ie, the actual table is 
 invtotals.dbf and the cursor adapter is called curInvTotals
 The autoinc fields are:

 id  int autoinc with a current value of 1234
 ctl int autoinc with a current value of 5687

 I append a record to the cursor (curInvTotals), add the data for all 
 fields, remove both autoinc fields from the CA and save everything with 
 tableupdate()
 (the buffering is set to 5) The removal is done so as to avoid an error 
 since the autoinc fields are readonly (I do not want to use set 
 autoincerror)

 As a result of the addition of 1 record, the first field, (the PK) becomes 
 1235. I obtain its value with getautoincvalue() and store it into a 
 property to be used for including in every record in the child table 
 (invdetails)

 My question is, how can I determine the value of the ctl field (which 
 should now have become 5688)? The getautoincvalue function only gives me 
 the increment value of the first field in the table (id), but not the 
 value of the second field (ctl)

 The pseudocode of what I am doing is:

 begin transaction
 append one record to the father table (both autoinc fields add 1 to the 
 number already there)
 replace the remaining records with the invoice total, taxes, date,customer 
 number, etc
 remove both autoinc fields from the cursor (a cursor adapter)
 save this table with tableupdate
 get the PK value from the autoincremental field with getautoincvalue()
 if save is OK proceed to saving all records in the child table
 select child table
 replace foreign key field in all records with PK from father table 
 (obtained with getautoincvalue)
 save child table with tableupdate
 if save is ok then end transaction otherwise rollback

 I need the second autoincremental value from the father table, the control 
 field ctl, to replace in the appropriate field in the child table.

 So again, how can I obtain this value?

 TIA
 Rafael Copquin




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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
It doesn't work with cretins, however. LOL


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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:57 AM
 http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-on-you-right-now.html
 
 Straight forward article on common sense, right?
 
 Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help guru and
 politician
 knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky doubting
 thoughts
 in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or
 slogan. Those are
 referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because for
 better or
 worse, they do exactly that. 
 
 Isn't that #1 in the Madigan playbook.  Say it over and
 over and
 people will believe you?   ;-
 
 -- 
 Stephen Russell
 Sr. Production Systems Programmer
 Mimeo.com
 Memphis TN
 
 901.246-0159
 
 
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
This is coming from a guy who buys the Obamessiah's bullshit hook, line and 
sinker.  

Ed, you are an Obama cult follower and you don't even know it.


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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 10:04 AM
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
 
  Straight forward article on common sense, right?
 
  Every cult leader, drill sergeant, self-help
 guru and politician
  knows that if you want to quiet all of those pesky
 doubting thoughts
  in a crowd, get them to chant a repetitive phrase or
 slogan. Those are
  referred to as thought-stopping techniques, because
 for better or
  worse, they do exactly that. 
 
 
   The only problem is that most people think that they are
 above such  
 ploys, and that their opinions are well-informed and solid,
 and not  
 manipulated by Drudge-style sensationalism. So they'll
 read a tiny bit  
 of the article, decide that it doesn't apply to them
 because they are  
 *so* much better than that, and then paste another
 Drill, baby,  
 drill bumper sticker on their car.
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Stephen Russell wrote:
 Cleaning of the Temple, OK let's discuss that.

 The force applied was to get attention of those around to see that the
 place of worship was foremost a convenience store in it's time. 
   
Why?  He'd had multitudes around him for several days. and had the 
attention of all Jerusalem.  

 Anyway did Jesus harm anyone, 
cast out them that sold and bought in the temple,  (Mark 11:15) 
implies violence, but I suppose it doesn't explicitly say so.


 or destroy the merchandise for sale? 
Sounds like it.  Bet a few doves had to be put down:
Mathew:
21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them
that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the
moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 21:13 And said
unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of
prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.


  Or
 did he create the show to get people to understand the point he was
 making?

   
Why?  He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success.  I think 
it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I 
can't STANDS no more! moment.


 I'll have to question you on the sword reference.  What passage are
 you referencing?
   
Probably either to  Matthew:
 10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword.

Or to Luke:
22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip,
and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one.




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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Yes, someone who believes in nothing is smart, someone who believes in 
something is an ignoramus.


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 You're talking about religious ignoramuses, right?
 
 HW
 
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html
 
  Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating
 a lie they've
  accepted?
 
  --
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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html
 

 Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've accepted?
   
 I looked at that site.  Assuming for sake of argument that all items on 
it are true, the only thing it shows is that life as we know it can only 
happen within certain narrow parameters.  Therefore, we can expect a 
large percentage of planets to not contain life, and only a very small 
percentage able to support life.  Nothing in that refutes what 
scientists, Atheist or not, have been saying all along.  Of course, it 
doesn't dis-prove God either.  It's entirely possible that the most 
energy efficient way for an omnipotent being to create life really is by 
smashing galaxies together.  (I'm not being facetious)

I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it 
occurs within fairly narrow boundaries.






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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you not have a clue or are you just a laughing troll?

Let's get a beer Stephen, it's an exercise in futility.
Fossil fuels are a finite commodity whatever way you turn it.
It were better just to get those gas guzzlers off the road...

A+
jml


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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it
 occurs within fairly narrow boundaries.

But given the fact there are uncountable possibilities anything is possible...

A+
jml


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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote:
 This is coming from a guy who buys the Obamessiah's bullshit hook, line and 
 sinker.  
 
 Ed, you are an Obama cult follower and you don't even know it.

Hi Michael!

O-boy is a savior to the As.
-- 
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Vince Teachout wrote:

 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
 take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
 sell his garment, and buy one.

Hi Vince!

One of the key verses of NRA members!
-- 
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
These same types would have followed Hitler.  Anyone with a slick presentation 
and these guys wet their pants.


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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 4:00 PM
 Michael Madigan wrote:
  This is coming from a guy who buys the
 Obamessiah's bullshit hook, line and sinker.  
  
  Ed, you are an Obama cult follower and you don't
 even know it.
 
 Hi Michael!
 
 O-boy is a savior to the As.
 -- 
 Regards,
 
 Pete
 http://pete-theisen.com/
 
 
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Re: [OT] Hey U.S., welcome to the Third World!

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Not only are we not in dispair, we're not in despair either.


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 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
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 That odd couple in the closet, Pete and MadandGay, must be
 in dispair...
 
 HW
 
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Helio Wakasugui
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
  Rosa
 Brookshttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-columnist-rbrooks,0,3062140.columnist
  :
   Hey U.S., welcome to the Third World!
   It's been a quick slide from economic superpower
 to economic basket case.
  Rosa Brooks
  September 18, 2008
 
 
 http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks18-2008sep18,0,6908905.column
 
 
  Dear United States, Welcome to the Third World!
 
  It's not every day that a superpower makes a bid
 to transform itself into a
  Third World nation, and we here at the World Bank and
 the International
  Monetary Fund want to be among the first to welcome
 you to the community of
  states in desperate need of international economic
 assistance. As you spiral
  into a catastrophic financial meltdown, we are
 delighted to respond to your
  Treasury Department's request that we undertake a
 joint stability assessment
  of your financial sector. In these turbulent times, we
 can provide services
  ranging from subsidized loans to expert advisors
 willing to perform an
  emergency overhaul of your entire government.
 
  As you know, some outside intervention in your economy
 is overdue. Last
  week -- even before Wall Street's latest collapse
 -- 13 former finance
  ministers convened at the University of Virginia and
 agreed that you must
  fix your broken financial system.
 Australia's Peter Costello noted that
  lately you've been exporting
 instability in world markets, and Yashwant
  Sinha, former finance minister of India, concluded,
 The time has come. The
  U.S. should accept some monitoring by the IMF.
 
  We hope you won't feel embarrassed as we assess
 the stability of your
  economy and suggest needed changes. Remember, many
 other countries have been
  in your shoes. We've bailed out the economies of
 Argentina, Brazil,
  Indonesia and South Korea. But whether our work is in
 Sudan, Bangladesh or
  now the United States, our experts are committed to
 intervening in national
  economies with care and sensitivity.
 
  We thus want to acknowledge the progress you have made
 in your evolution
  from economic superpower to economic basket case.
 Normally, such a process
  might take 100 years or more. With your oscillation
 between free-market
  extremism and nationalization of private companies,
 however, you have
  successfully achieved, in a few short years, many of
 the key hallmarks of
  Third World economies.
 
  Your policies of irresponsible government deregulation
 in critical sectors
  allowed you to rapidly develop an energy crisis, a
 housing crisis, a credit
  crisis and a financial market crisis, all at once, and
 accompanied (and
  partly caused) by impressive levels of corruption and
 speculation.
  Meanwhile, those of your political leaders charged
 with oversight were
  either napping or in bed with corporate lobbyists.
 
  Take John McCain, your Republican presidential
 nominee, whose senior staff
  includes half a dozen prominent former lobbyists. As
 he recently put it, I
  was chairman of the [Senate] Commerce Committee that
 oversights every part
  of the economy. No question about it: Your
 leaders' failure to notice the
  damage done by irresponsible deregulation was indeed
 an oversight of epic
  proportions.
 
  Now you are facing the consequences. Income inequality
 has increased, as
  the rich have gotten windfalls while the middle class
 has seen incomes
  stagnate. Fewer and fewer of your citizens have access
 to affordable
  housing, healthcare or security in retirement. Even
 life expectancy has
  dropped. And when your economic woes went from chronic
 to acute, you
  responded -- like so many Third World states have --
 with an extensive
  program of nationalizing private companies and assets.
 Your mortgage giants
  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now state owned and
 controlled, and this week
  your reinsurance giant AIG was effectively
 nationalized, with the Federal
  Reserve Board seizing an 80% equity stake in the
 flailing company.
 
  Some might deride this as socialism. But desperate
 times call for desperate
  measures.
 
  Admittedly, your transition to Third World status is
 far from over, and it
  won't be painless. At first, for instance, you may
 find it hard to get used
  to the shantytowns that will replace the exurban
 sprawl of McMansions that
  helped 

Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Jean Laeremans wrote:
 I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it
 occurs within fairly narrow boundaries.
 

 But given the fact there are uncountable possibilities anything is possible...
   

The two statements above in no way conflict with each other.


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Re: [OT] Hey U.S., welcome to the Third World!

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Michael Madigan wrote:
 Not only are we not in dispair, we're not in despair either.

   

Can we all agree we're in disrepair?




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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Jean Laeremans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you not have a clue or are you just a laughing troll?

 Let's get a beer Stephen, it's an exercise in futility.
 Fossil fuels are a finite commodity whatever way you turn it.
 It were better just to get those gas guzzlers off the road...
-

I judged wood aged ales last night and then sampled Old English and
Barleywine leftovers.  What great entries we had for our fair this
year.

The winner in our flight was a Standard Bitter.  It was the closest to
style and then the wood conditioned flavors were a benefit to it.
Next was a cask conditioned Barleywine that the wood didn't overcome
the complexity of the malts.  You could barely smell any type of wood
aroma nor taste it.  but to style it was right on the money.  they
scored a 42 and a 40 out of 50 points total.




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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Jean Laeremans
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Do you not have a clue or are you just a laughing troll?
   
 Let's get a beer Stephen, it's an exercise in futility.
 Fossil fuels are a finite commodity whatever way you turn it.
 It were better just to get those gas guzzlers off the road...
 
 -

 I judged wood aged ales last night and then sampled Old English and
 Barleywine leftovers.  What great entries we had for our fair this
 year.

   

Thanks for reminding me I have 5 gallons of Bass Ale Clone I need to 
bottle tonight!  :-)


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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Vince Teachout wrote:

 I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it 
 occurs within fairly narrow boundaries.

Hi Vince!

Yes. The obvious question, though, could the narrow boundaries have been 
achieved by chance or do they require intelligent design? The As say 
that one day, poof, there it all was, the non-As say it had to be a 
omnisciently intelligent poof or a poof with someone omnisciently 
intelligent behind it, and it could have taken seven days or even a long 
time. Or seven days could be Bible code for an undefined period.
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Vince Teachout wrote:

 I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it
 occurs within fairly narrow boundaries.

It the anthropic principle 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle 
), restated in a twisted fashion to  support creationist arguments. Of  
course, accepting these arguments would also require accepting  
evolution, since that flows from these assumptions.


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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Mike Stewart wrote:

 In the end, the outcome is the same: it's not going to get fixed, and
 there is a reasonable (to me) workaround.


Exactly. The only issue is the bad taste left in one's mouth by the  
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-
 Why?  He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success.  I think
 it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I
 can't STANDS no more! moment.
--

Sorry but the Son of God doesn't get excuses.

 I'll have to question you on the sword reference.  What passage are
 you referencing?

 Probably either to  Matthew:
  10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
 send peace, but a sword.


Out of context it sounds bad, but when you add back in most of context:
35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter
against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
36 and a man's foes will be those of his own household. 37 He who
loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who
loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and he who
does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 He who
finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake
will find it. 40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives
me receives him who sent me.

You see that he is saying that I am going to CHANGE the way things
are.  39  40 give us the glimpse of what Jesus is intending.  If we
get the concept we should share it with others.



 Or to Luke:
 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip,
 and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
 take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
 sell his garment, and buy one.


This is a heads up to the 12, make that 11.  It was easy for you while
I have been here but after I leave things are going to change.  Be
prepared for a different crowd because you disciples are going to
cause a ruckus where ever you go and people will want to kill you.



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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 24, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

 Out of context it sounds bad, but when you add back in most of  
 context:
 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter
 against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
 36 and a man's foes will be those of his own household. 37 He who
 loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who
 loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and he who
 does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 He who
 finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake
 will find it. 40 He who receives you receives me, and he who receives
 me receives him who sent me.


Oh, yeah - now he sounds like a peach.

Talk about a massive insecurity complex.

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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I judged wood aged ales last night and then sampled Old English and
 Barleywine leftovers.  What great entries we had for our fair this
 year.

You should come over one of these days...visited a pub during the
weekend around 200 different beers and a lot of those on tap

A+
jml

btw planning a visit to the US next year.


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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -
   
 Why?  He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success.  I think
 it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I
 can't STANDS no more! moment.
 
 --

 Sorry but the Son of God doesn't get excuses.

   

You tell him that.  I'll wait here and hold your hat.


 I'll have to question you on the sword reference.  What passage are
 you referencing?

   
 Probably either to  Matthew:
  10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
 send peace, but a sword.
 
 

 Out of context it sounds bad, 

I simply was answering your question literally.  Those are the only 2 
sword references spoken by Jesus in the Gospel, so it had to be one or 
both of them.

(I agree with your interpretation, btw - in fact, I don't think there is 
any other reasonable interpretation.)


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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Jean Laeremans
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you not have a clue or are you just a laughing troll?

 Let's get a beer Stephen, it's an exercise in futility.
 Fossil fuels are a finite commodity whatever way you turn it.
 It were better just to get those gas guzzlers off the road...

 -

 I judged wood aged ales last night and then sampled Old English and
 Barleywine leftovers.  What great entries we had for our fair this
 year.



 Thanks for reminding me I have 5 gallons of Bass Ale Clone I need to
 bottle tonight!  :-)
-

party in 3 weeks!

I put up 12 gal of Braggot last weekend.  It was a Dunkelweizen but I
added about 2 # of honey to get some more volume out of it.   Smells
like the raw honey and tastes like a dark wheat with a great German
yeast!



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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
You guys should meet and share a bed together, get to know each other. LOL


Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008

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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 4:28 PM
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Stephen Russell
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I judged wood aged ales last night and then sampled
 Old English and
  Barleywine leftovers.  What great entries we had for
 our fair this
  year.
 
 You should come over one of these days...visited a pub
 during the
 weekend around 200 different beers and a lot of those on
 tap
 
 A+
 jml
 
 btw planning a visit to the US next year.
 
 
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -

 Why?  He'd used parables and preaching to much greater success.  I think
 it was simply a case of a long day, and a That's all I can stand, I
 can't STANDS no more! moment.

 --

 Sorry but the Son of God doesn't get excuses.



 You tell him that.  I'll wait here and hold your hat.


Think of him as the small child and Mary bragging about her son.  He
is so good, he is just like an Angel


Now where is my hat?





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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You guys should meet and share a bed together, get to know each other. LOL

It must be hard to have a one track mind

A+
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Vince Teachout
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Thanks for reminding me I have 5 gallons of Bass Ale Clone I need to
 bottle tonight!  :-)
 
 -

 party in 3 weeks!

 I put up 12 gal of Braggot last weekend.  It was a Dunkelweizen but I
 added about 2 # of honey to get some more volume out of it.   Smells
 like the raw honey and tastes like a dark wheat with a great German
 yeast!
   
The party is at YOUR house, then!  How do you do12 gallons?  2 6 gallon 
batches,or do you do large batches?  If large batches, anything 
different from 5 or 6 gallon batches?



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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Jean Laeremans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I judged wood aged ales last night and then sampled Old English and
 Barleywine leftovers.  What great entries we had for our fair this
 year.

 You should come over one of these days...visited a pub during the
 weekend around 200 different beers and a lot of those on tap
---

How does early Nov. look for you?

I have time on the books to use.  I can get a pass from the wife to fly over.

I bet I could bring some of my beer as well.  In customs No that is
Dr. Pepper, I didn't think you sold that over here.  wink wink.




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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
How long does it take you to drink 12 gallons?  A weekend? LOL


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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 4:38 PM
 Stephen Russell wrote:
  On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Vince Teachout
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Thanks for reminding me I have 5 gallons of Bass
 Ale Clone I need to
  bottle tonight!  :-)
  
 
 -
 
  party in 3 weeks!
 
  I put up 12 gal of Braggot last weekend.  It was a
 Dunkelweizen but I
  added about 2 # of honey to get some more volume out
 of it.   Smells
  like the raw honey and tastes like a dark wheat with a
 great German
  yeast!

 The party is at YOUR house, then!  How do you do12 gallons?
  2 6 gallon 
 batches,or do you do large batches?  If large batches,
 anything 
 different from 5 or 6 gallon batches?
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Hey U.S., welcome to the Third World!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Vince Teachout wrote:
 Michael Madigan wrote:
 Not only are we not in dispair, we're not in despair either.

 Can we all agree we're in disrepair?

Hi Vince!

I think it is REALLY interesting that this happened just now. There are 
what, four companies begging for handouts? The two Fs, Lehman and AIG? 
The FBI is investigating all four.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/business/24inquiry.html?em

Another thing. That Bernanke guy used to be - a college professor? That 
is all too often a synonym for 'liberal'. He sure needs a shave, who 
does that hippy think he is, Ahmadinejad?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke

And then, what to say of Paulson? Sitting on a personal fortune of some 
$700 million which he will give to environmental causes when he dies, 
never mind his wife and kids, and having an extensive background, not to 
say old-boy relationships, with the industry he is supposed to be 
regulating, would he scratch his pal's backs just before the election 
while everyone else is preoccupied? Nah, how could I even think of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paulson

And they all say it has to be done right now, no time to think about it. 
AND, no second guessing later, either. If we thought about it, we might 
not do it?
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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Ed Leafe wrote:
 On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Vince Teachout wrote:
 
 I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it
 occurs within fairly narrow boundaries.
 
   It the anthropic principle 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle 
 ), restated in a twisted fashion to  support creationist arguments. Of  
 course, accepting these arguments would also require accepting  
 evolution, since that flows from these assumptions.

Hi Ed!

Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic 
school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is 
not affected by evolution, no matter where evolution goes.
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Stephen Russell wrote:

 party in 3 weeks!
 
 I put up 12 gal of Braggot last weekend.  It was a Dunkelweizen but I
 added about 2 # of honey to get some more volume out of it.   Smells
 like the raw honey and tastes like a dark wheat with a great German
 yeast!

Hi Stephen!

And me sitting here with diabetes. You are so cruel :-)
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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic
 school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is
 not affected by evolution, no matter where evolution goes.
 --
Look up to ramble

a+
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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Jean Laeremans
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Stephen Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How does early Nov. look for you?

No problem, just let me know beforehand. Visiting those micro
breweries takes some preparation. You could always stay with us off
cause.

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[OT] McCain Suspends Campaign

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

Unexpected, but understandable.

McCain to Suspend his Campaign:

 *
   To address our nation's financial crisis, John McCain will 
suspend his campaign and return to Washington.
 *
   John McCain is calling on the President to convene a meeting with 
the leadership from both houses of Congress, including himself and 
Senator Obama.
 *
   John McCain is directing his campaign to work with the Obama 
campaign and the commission on presidential debates to delay Friday 
night’s debate until action has been taken to address this crisis.
 *
   It is time for both parties to come together to solve this 
problem.  This is a time to put our country first. We must meet as 
Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans, and we must meet until this 
crisis is resolved.
 *
   It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support 
the Administration’s proposal.  He does not believe that the plan on the 
table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.
 *
   America faces an historic crisis in our financial system, and we 
must pass legislation to address this crisis. If we do not, credit will 
dry up, with devastating consequences for our economy.
 *
   John McCain is confident that before the markets open on Monday 
we can achieve consensus on legislation that will stabilize our 
financial markets, protect taxpayers and homeowners, and earn the 
confidence of the American people.

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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 09:40 AM 9/24/2008 -0700, Mike Stewart wrote:
  Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:53:56 -0500
  From: Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: VFP9

  but it still ignores the fact that it is cowardly and annoying for them 
 to insist that this isn't a
  bug.

Except that I think you've put more thought into the resolution than
the resolver of the bug did.  It's not unreasonable to argue that it
is indeed a bug; I'm with you there.  I also don't think it
unreasonable to argue that the function that is called was originally
designed to handle  256 chars, semantically making it by design.

Well that's the problem: by design, semantically, means something was 
done on purpose. I think everyone agrees this is not the case since these 
software situations occur when environments change, products are 
enhanced, etc. So it definitely wasn't done on purpose.

I think MS likes to use the term by design because it makes it sound like 
they are in control and all knowing about everything this is going on. 
I suppose no one likes to admit they have a bug in their code, but using 
the term by design is inaccurate at best and deceptive at worst. A better 
phrase would be design limitation or code constraint.

Then again, expecting anything honest out of MS is probably a bit too 
naive anyway.

:-)

-Charlie 



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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Jean Laeremans wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic
 school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is
 not affected by evolution, no matter where evolution goes.
 --
 Look up to ramble

Hi Jean!

Exactly, science will never find the first cause because the first cause 
is only approachable by philosophy or religion.
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[OT] Reaction to postponement of debate

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Hi Everybody!

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjJkNmEwODAwMjU0MDUxZDZkY2NhYmYxMmFkYjFiNTc=

or

http://tinyurl.com/3ffonp
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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 04:45 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote:
...
Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic
school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is
...

Really? I hadn't heard that (we're talking about macro evolution, right?). 
I think the only branch of science that currently supports macro 
evolution is biology (not by evidence, but by by trying to show how things 
might have evolved by looking at genetic similarities). Archeology and 
mathematics do not currently support evolution.

I used to think that evolution was highly grounded in science as well. But 
based on what I've learned over the years, it really does look more and 
more like a secular religion as time goes on.

I do agree with you though that even if evolution (macro evolution) 
eventually does gain more support in the fossil record, and/or in 
probability theory, it still may never adequately address the first cause 
aspect you mention.

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Charlie Coleman wrote:
 At 04:45 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote:
 ...
 Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic
 school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is

 Really? I hadn't heard that (we're talking about macro evolution, right?). 
 I think the only branch of science that currently supports macro 
 evolution is biology (not by evidence, but by by trying to show how things 
 might have evolved by looking at genetic similarities). Archeology and 
 mathematics do not currently support evolution.

Hi Charlie!

Macro and micro. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden they found - 
other people. Where did those other people come from if not from 
evolution? Either the chosen people or the evolved people are eligible 
for inclusion in the modern Church, needing only to believe.

Then there are the beans and fruit flies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
http://www.palaeos.com/Invertebrates/Deuterostomia/Vetulicolia.html

Maybe more than you care to know :-)
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Re: [OT] It's time for Mickey Obama!

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I bet they'll be hearing from the attorneys at Disney for that one.




Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008

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--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [OT] It's time for Mickey Obama!
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 5:49 PM
 Hi Everybody!
 
 http://www.thoseshirts.com/anti-obama-shirts.html
 -- 
 Regards,
 
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Re: [OT] How do you use power?

2008-09-24 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jesus is showing us not to use force to get our way.
 It's kind of convenient to base a whole doctrine on one scripture.  In this 
 case you missed the cleansing of the temple where the shysters were 
 physically chased from the premises.  You might also consider that when the 
 disciples were sent out after Jesus ministry was over, they were told to 
 take a sword.  How very violent in both cases.

 There were other cases, but that should get the thought process going.
 ---
 
 Cleaning of the Temple, OK let's discuss that.
 
 The force applied was to get attention of those around to see that the
 place of worship was foremost a convenience store in it's time.  you
 came into the temple and you have to have a sacrifice.  So you can buy
 birds, goats,  Now of course the Euro was not available and each
 area in Judea as well as Israel had it's own currency.  So you had to
 have the money changers so you could buy in Jerusalem.
 
 All in all Jesus was there to show the Jewish leaders that the were
 doing it wrong in the eyes of God.  They had corrupted the law to
 verify that only they could comprehend it.  Sounds like our torte
 system???
 
 Anyway did Jesus harm anyone, or destroy the merchandise for sale?  Or
 did he create the show to get people to understand the point he was
 making?
 
 Acts was written in the 70's and outside of The Rock Jesus didn't
 say much.  ;)  He may have inflicted blindness and then fixed it to
 get someones attention and all.  ;-
 
 I'll have to question you on the sword reference.  What passage are
 you referencing?


Mmmm besides the real point. What Richmond vulture is telling you is
that those scriptures may be used whichever way you see fit. You want to
follow a certain path? Ok, then pick those that fit that path and forget
the rest.
What a crock of bullshit! Why don't you people take responsibility for
your actions instead of dropping it over some old books?



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Re: VFP9

2008-09-24 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Stephen Russell wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Ricardo Araoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Alan Bourke wrote:
 On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:22:46 +0200, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 said:
 I don't know about all people here but if I get a bug reported I fix it.
 Fair enough, but how many of your apps contain millions of lines of C++,
 are installed on tens or hundreds thousands of systems, and thus require
 major regression testing and cost every time you change something?
 Those tens or hundreds thousands of systems has each payed a more than
 fair price for the product, besides those millions of lines of C++
 were written by lots (and not just one) programmers. So I guess the
 scales are even. They should fix the bloody bugs!
 ---
 
 How much testing do you think that this might require before it was
 released?  40 hrs or 120?
 

I'll answer you right now. wait.. nope, they haven't yet
hired me as a Shit'oSoft manager... keep waiting, I'm sure this will
be addressed soon... . . . .  .   .   ...




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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Ricardo Araoz
Jean Laeremans wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You guys should meet and share a bed together, get to know each other. LOL
 
 It must be hard to have a one track mind
 
 A+
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Nope, in his case it's just a half track mind(?)


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[OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
What a prince!

http://www.volunteertv.com/strangenews/headlines/29641154.html


Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008

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Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
The Argentinian Ass graces us with His presence.

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/donkey.jpg




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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Ricardo Araoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Ricardo Araoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] 6 Brainwashing Techniques They're Using On You
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:11 PM
 Jean Laeremans wrote:
  On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Michael Madigan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You guys should meet and share a bed together, get
 to know each other. LOL
  
  It must be hard to have a one track mind
  
  A+
  jml
  
 
 Nope, in his case it's just a half track mind(?)
 
 
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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote:
 What a prince!
 
 http://www.volunteertv.com/strangenews/headlines/29641154.html

Hi Michael!

You didn't post his picture. Wonder if he registered to vote? Doesn't 
look like he ever had a felony, just D  D.

http://www.monkeygumbo.com/wee/news/henryearl/
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Re: Any way to automate reverse phone lookup sites

2008-09-24 Thread Richard Quilhot
You could try whitepages

create a html object with
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=517-7879700localtime=survey
 replace 517-7879700 with phone number of choice in string.

Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Tracy Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 You might need to sign up with one of them and use the API they have
 available. If you read some of the fine print, there is a Fair Use policy
 that will limit the IP to 10 uses for the hour.

 Dig deep enough into the IE object with the page loaded, you'll find
 objects
 which can be filled in and automated.



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:24 PM

 I think it would be neat if my app, could go to the web and get address
 info
 for a customer from a reverse lookup site, like sympaitico.

 I can go the appropriate page, navigating useing IE object. However, how do
 I fill in the phone no field automatically and execute the query.? Then I
 need to read the result.

 Any ideas?
 Mike



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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Pete Theisen wrote:
 Michael Madigan wrote:
   
 What a prince!

 http://www.volunteertv.com/strangenews/headlines/29641154.html
 

 Hi Michael!

 You didn't post his picture. Wonder if he registered to vote? Doesn't 
 look like he ever had a felony, just D  D.

 http://www.monkeygumbo.com/wee/news/henryearl/
   

The Bush Administration's panties are in a bunch over the crashing 
economy.  The economic woes have put Senator McCain's poll ratings in a 
tail spin; thus, the rush to get the 700 billion bailout pushed through 
congress before the end of the week to help Senator McCain in the 
debates and the coming election.  However, congress sees through the 
rush to bailout the economy for what it is; a ploy to prop up wall 
street and main street, at least, until after the elections.  LOL  Since 
congress isn't cooperating, Senator McCain wants to postpone the debates 
until the bailout become more certain to pass congress.

I say let the free enterprise system work things out over time.  That's 
the American way.

Regards,

LelandJ



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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
I'm not sure what your post has to do with my post.


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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Leland F. Jackson, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:50 PM
 Pete Theisen wrote:
  Michael Madigan wrote:

  What a prince!
 
 
 http://www.volunteertv.com/strangenews/headlines/29641154.html
  
 
  Hi Michael!
 
  You didn't post his picture. Wonder if he
 registered to vote? Doesn't 
  look like he ever had a felony, just D  D.
 
  http://www.monkeygumbo.com/wee/news/henryearl/

 
 The Bush Administration's panties are in a bunch over
 the crashing 
 economy.  The economic woes have put Senator McCain's
 poll ratings in a 
 tail spin; thus, the rush to get the 700 billion bailout
 pushed through 
 congress before the end of the week to help Senator McCain
 in the 
 debates and the coming election.  However, congress sees
 through the 
 rush to bailout the economy for what it is; a ploy to prop
 up wall 
 street and main street, at least, until after the
 elections.  LOL  Since 
 congress isn't cooperating, Senator McCain wants to
 postpone the debates 
 until the bailout become more certain to pass congress.
 
 I say let the free enterprise system work things out over
 time.  That's 
 the American way.
 
 Regards,
 
 LelandJ
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Right; I was replying to a post from Pete, I though, wherein Pete made 
the comment that McCain's wanting to postpone the debates was 
understandable, so I'm at a loss as to how my post became a part of your 
thread.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:
 I'm not sure what your post has to do with my post.

 
 Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 
 2008

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 --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Leland F. Jackson, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 From: Leland F. Jackson, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!
 To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:50 PM
 Pete Theisen wrote:
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
   
   
 What a prince!


 
 http://www.volunteertv.com/strangenews/headlines/29641154.html
 
 
 
 Hi Michael!

 You didn't post his picture. Wonder if he
   
 registered to vote? Doesn't 
 
 look like he ever had a felony, just D  D.

 http://www.monkeygumbo.com/wee/news/henryearl/
   
   
 The Bush Administration's panties are in a bunch over
 the crashing 
 economy.  The economic woes have put Senator McCain's
 poll ratings in a 
 tail spin; thus, the rush to get the 700 billion bailout
 pushed through 
 congress before the end of the week to help Senator McCain
 in the 
 debates and the coming election.  However, congress sees
 through the 
 rush to bailout the economy for what it is; a ploy to prop
 up wall 
 street and main street, at least, until after the
 elections.  LOL  Since 
 congress isn't cooperating, Senator McCain wants to
 postpone the debates 
 until the bailout become more certain to pass congress.

 I say let the free enterprise system work things out over
 time.  That's 
 the American way.

 Regards,

 LelandJ



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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
 Right; I was replying to a post from Pete, I though, wherein Pete made 
 the comment that McCain's wanting to postpone the debates was 
 understandable, so I'm at a loss as to how my post became a part of your 
 thread.

Hi Leland!

At last, Leland lives! What do you think of McCain's son or daughter 
driving a foreign VW that is actually made right here in the US but 
the O-campaign doesn't know this or thinks the folks in Michigan don't 
know it?
-- 
Regards,

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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Pete Theisen wrote:
 Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
   
 Right; I was replying to a post from Pete, I though, wherein Pete made 
 the comment that McCain's wanting to postpone the debates was 
 understandable, so I'm at a loss as to how my post became a part of your 
 thread.
 

 Hi Leland!

 At last, Leland lives! What do you think of McCain's son or daughter 
 driving a foreign VW that is actually made right here in the US but 
 the O-campaign doesn't know this or thinks the folks in Michigan don't 
 know it?
   

I think its a great idea for VW to build a manufacturing plant here in 
the USA.  BTW, below is a statement by the O man, as you put it, about 
where things stand on the debate from Senator Obama's point of view:

http://my.barackobama.com/latestremarks

Regards,

LelandJ



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[NF] Microsoft Commercials

2008-09-24 Thread Jeff Johnson
I just saw a new Microsoft commercial.  Everyone - including Bill Gates 
- says I'm a PC.  It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C.

Yuck.

-- 
Jeff

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials

2008-09-24 Thread Paul McNett
Jeff Johnson wrote:
 I just saw a new Microsoft commercial.  Everyone - including Bill Gates 
 - says I'm a PC.  It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C.

They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis 
is over.

Paul



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[OT] Larry King interviews Iranian president

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine!

What a pinhead Larry is.  Why didn't Ahmadinejad just pull out a knife and 
filet him?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCa71LEe0uw


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[OT] Steve Russel is doing ad copy now.

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
Anybody know how to spell the word waste?  LOL
 
http://m1.2mdn.net/viewad/1992424/Xambox2.gif


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Re: [OT] Henry Earl gets arrested for the 1000th time!

2008-09-24 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

 What do you think of McCain's son or daughter driving a foreign
 VW that is actually made right here in the US but the O-campaign
 doesn't know this or thinks the folks in Michigan don't know it?
 
 I think its a great idea for VW to build a manufacturing plant here
 in the USA.  BTW, below is a statement by the O man

Hi Leland!

You ducked the most important part of the question, how is it that O-man
doesn't know where the US VWs are made, or does know and wants to
mislead? O-man might be ready to be president in 25 years, if no
suitable R is available then. I especially dislike his constricted brow
expression, reminds me of a former girlfriend who would get that look on
her face at very inappropriate times.
-- 
Regards,

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[OT] Letterman whines about McCain's cancelation

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Madigan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E


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