SQLServer 2005 reading VFP v-7 tables (in .dbc)
Greetings Friends! I need your help! I am in Puerto Rico working on a situation with a client that has been causing problems for us for a while. We have been importing VFP created .csv file records into a M$ SQL Server database with success overall, until a recent output change added a new field. Most records will import, but within the first few doaen records, seemingly at random, the SQL Server import process will choke indicating a structural problem. Upon examination we have concluded there is no structural problem with the data. It feels like it is a SQL goofism. Amyway, I proposed to get around that issue we try to use ODBC to connect to the VFP7 tables, which are contained in a .dbc. The SQL Server 2005 tools include a Linked Servers feature, but I have not been able to get connected to any of the tables, much less to the .dbc itself. Have any of my esteemed associates (that's y'all) had anya experience with this kind of connectivity to VFP7 tables within SQL Server 2005? I stand ready to receive your responses, and happy to have the help. Kindest Regards, Gil Hale ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/20090318161102.a6blr.336767.r...@hrndva-web09-z01 ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] WinZip now shuts off
Recently I began to play with ZipGenius. The version they offer (Freeware) now has a Command Line Interface, and supports true encryption (not just an easy-to-crack password). I had been licensing WinZip Pro for each of my clients until I saw that ZipGenius began to include encryption. I have never bothered to see if it is cross-platform or not, however. But for Windows it offers all the goodies I need, and on a No Charge basis. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] WinZip now shuts off On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote: I can't imagine how much money winzip has lost throughout the years. Since there were many other free alternatives available, probably not that much. Very few people needed the extras that WinZip offered. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: test
I did not get your eMail. g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Al Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test Just a test, its very quiet here Allen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 27/12/2007 13:34 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: test
what email ? I hav'nt sent it yet :) That reminds me of a story where a Philosophy professor gave a final exam consisting of one task. Prove to me this chair does not exist!, he exclaimed while placing a chair on top of a desk. Only one student passed the test with an A, and he only used two words. What chair? Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: test what email ? I hav'nt sent it yet :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale I did not get your eMail. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 27/12/2007 13:34 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] You get what you deserve
LOL! Man, Vista is such an easy target it would seem! I know Dave Smith uses Vista to a high degree of success. I have a dual boot machine I run 2000 Pro SP4 on, and boot into Vista Ultimate to test my various apps and InstallShield installations on. I have run Vista under VPC also. But it is such a resource hog that even on a 2Gb machine running it under VPC really choked things. At least with a dual boot machine I have a shot at running Vista in a fairly real-world environment. That said, well, I applaud Dave's ability to use Vista day in and day out. Personally I do not care for it. But I also know the day is coming when Windows folks will not have a choice other than to use Vista if they do not want to migrate to Mac/Linux. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] You get what you deserve Ed Leafe wrote: http://www.comics.com/comics/workingdaze/archive/workingdaze-20071226.html LOL! Man, Vista is such an easy target it would seem! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] For / Against Norton
I use Parallels Desktop to run Windows in a VM, and it's plenty fast. I recall you had gotten a compiled VFP7 app to run under Red Hat using Crossover Office, hence no need for a guest OS under Linux. I see Crossover Mac is on the market. Is compiled .app/exe under Crossover Mac a viable Runtime environment for End Users with an Intel Mac running under Mac OS X (Apple Linux)? And re: Parallels with a guest OS, how does VMWare Fusion stand up against Parallels on an Intel Mac? Enquiring minds want to know g... Ciao! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] For / Against Norton On Dec 27, 2007, at 5:51 AM, Allen wrote: If it ran VFP I might consider a Mac. but as it wont run much of use to me there is no point. Hmmm... I've been running VFP 9 on my Intel MacBook for a year and a half now, and it runs as fast as it on my Windows-only system. I use Parallels Desktop to run Windows in a VM, and it's plenty fast. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP under Crossover Office (was Re: [NF] For / Against Norton)
Who can stand against the beast, or words to that effect are found in the Book of Revelation g... I certainly hope nobody feels I am trying to imply M$ is The beast g... But it is fun to look at such prophetic statements and see how they can be twisted into our reality with so little effort. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VFP under Crossover Office (was Re: [NF] For / Against Norton) mrgmhale wrote: Let's hope not. I'd love to see someone with guts (and of course money) stand up to that threat. I volunteer you g! That's why I added the and of course money partI've got the guts, but not the bucks to fight the 800# gorilla! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] For / Against Norton
so my opinions are out-of-date. But of value in any case. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] For / Against Norton On Dec 27, 2007, at 8:15 AM, mrgmhale wrote: I recall you had gotten a compiled VFP7 app to run under Red Hat using Crossover Office, hence no need for a guest OS under Linux. I see Crossover Mac is on the market. Is compiled .app/exe under Crossover Mac a viable Runtime environment for End Users with an Intel Mac running under Mac OS X (Apple Linux)? I suppose it may be possible, but every Windows app would be different: some are better supported than others. With a VM, you're running an actual Windows OS, so there are no additional compatibility issues. And re: Parallels with a guest OS, how does VMWare Fusion stand up against Parallels on an Intel Mac? Enquiring minds want to know g... I've generally found that Parallels is better with Windows, and VMWare better with Linux, but both have improved greatly in the last few releases. Since I bought Parallels already, I was testing the free beta of VMWare, and when that expired, I saw no compelling need to purchase it, as Parallels was doing all I needed. Both have had several releases since then, so my opinions are out-of-date. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP under Crossover Office (was Re: [NF] For / Against Norton)
Let's hope not. I'd love to see someone with guts (and of course money) stand up to that threat. I volunteer you g! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VFP under Crossover Office (was Re: [NF] For / Against Norton) mrgmhale wrote: After that time, something happened that prevented me from installing VFP and/or copying VFP to that bottle. Maybe they took M$'s threat seriously, re: an End User may not run VFP under Linux unless he/she paid a Windows OS license fee. heh-heh... I need to see if I have an older Crossover Linux version, the one Ed used for a VFP he and I had worked on a few years ago. We ran into issues using plain WINE under Red Hat for either VFP or for ProComm, one or the other. I see the latest VMware Fusion allws an End User to run in Unity mode, where the Windows app looks like it is running under Mac OS natively (Windows is still running as a Guest OS, lurking in the background). Let's hope not. I'd love to see someone with guts (and of course money) stand up to that threat. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] For / Against Norton
Gil -- are you trying to be like Switzerland and remain neutral in the top-posting versus bottom posting flame wars? I see you're doing a combination of both g I like it on top g, I suppose... I guess I just figure that every person in the ProFox group for any amount of time has already seen my previous postings re: Symantec AntiVirus Corporate (SAV). I have offered a link to my ftp Server's public directory where I have a document (written in MS Word no less) about how to configure SAV v-10.x to allow it to run effectively and efficiently in Workstation, Server and Networked environments. So, as far as I am concerned, my pushing my thoughts out onto our group would be like spitting into the wind - again (and again, and again). But, since you provoked me g, here is what I do have to share... Each time I see an article in the more popular computer magazines pitting one AV solution against another, far more often than not it is the Symantec/Norton version that gets the top honors. When I see folks using a free AV solution, and say they have not had any problems with it, I have to wonder if that is because their solution simply isn't finding anything either because the threats are not occurring on their machines (not likely in a Windows world), or the threats are being missed (as indicated in the articles I read from time to time). I know this, I can't afford to get infected in any of my machines, and more so I can't afford to pass an infection onto a client. So even if I could not have tuned SAV to run superbly on my machines, just for the confidence I have in its ability to deflect attacks I will use it. That said, whether it is a concern about viruses, trojans, worms, adware, spyware, crimeware and other general malware, no single solution is going to be 100% effective - so I play the odds with as stacked a deck as I can. When a machine is brought to me that has been successfully attacked (almost always after someone let their AV subscription lapse, or someone visited a porn site), I end up using no less than 4 licensed apps (Webroot Spy Sweeper, CA AntiSpyware, PC Tools Spyware Doctor and either Norton AV or SAV), plus Ad-Aware and Spybot to clean it up. I take the time to image the affected drive both before and after the cleanup, thus if I goober up a system while trying to clean it I can always go back to the beginning, and once cleaned if it gets trashed again I can get the PC back t the most recent running version. I have found that once I have a machine cleaned up, and install either Norton AV or SAV, the machine stays clean as long as the subscriptions are kept up to date. Oh, I do encourage the use of FireFox, and promote Safe Surfing Behavior (no LimeWire, porn, social gathering sites, gaming sites, etc.). So, with all that said, here is the link to my ftp Server's public directory: ftp://gilhale.dnsalias.com If you are using a browser, hit it at ftp://gilhale.dnsalias.com (in IE make certain you are NOT running in Passive Mode) The directory with the SAV documents is SymantecAntiVirusInstallationDocumentation, and the *.doc files contain the info I put together to help folks install and configure SAV, to include Screen Shots (for version 10.x). SAV v-11.x is now the previous Symantec Client Security Corporate on steroids, which includes some firewall and content filtering capabilities if I recall correctly. I have licensed SAV v-11.0, but have not taken the time to play with it as 10.x is still working quite nicely. To wrap up, I find tremendous merit in the Mac/Linux platforms, where a person really has to try hard to get intentionally nailed with a threat to the Host OS. But, being stuck in a World Of Windows, running a guest Win OS under Mac/Linux would require AV defenses t be present in said Guest OS environment. Even Mac/Linux can't extend its safety into a weak guest OS. So, even if I did get a Mac to use, to protect my Windows guest OS platforms I would still need to run SAV. There is no escape. Shame... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] For / Against Norton mrgmhale wrote: so my opinions are out-of-date. But of value in any case. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gil -- are you trying to be like Switzerland and remain neutral in the top-posting versus bottom posting flame wars? I see you're doing a combination of both g -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com
RE: vfp9 on crossover
Excellent! Thank you!! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pat Barry Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vfp9 on crossover note - copy the folder contents cdrom\program files\microsoft visual foxpro 9 to c:\vfp - not the entire CD I run VFP 9 on linux using Crossover Office. Install Crossover standard (The pro version has odbc issues). Install a win98 bottle (VFP will not install in a win2000 bottle - these are beta), install fonts, ie6, win installer, dot.net, etc. Download install mdac 2.8. Copy the VFP CD to c:\vfp. Download install soaptoolkit using the .exe (the included .msi files will not install). Go to ftp://ftp.prolib.de/public and download the proper vfp runtime installer install the runtimes. Now create a desktop icon launcher with the command ***|/opt/cxoffice/bin/wine --cx-app vfp9.exe (if you used a .rpm or .deb)|*** If you used a Loki installer, use ***|/home/yourhomedirectory/cxoffice/bin/wine --cx-app vfp9.exe|*** VFP should start run - you can even use the help system without modification. No need for vmware. Pat [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
VFP9 under Vista, a little bit of strangeness...
Greeting All! I put together a VFP app previously compiled under VFP7, recast it into a more complex database structure using VFP9, and compiled as an .exe under VFP9. I had it all working great running as an .exe, and later installable on a raw machine (I use VPC to test all Windows OSes from Win98SE through Vista). It installed and ran great under all OS levels until I hit Vista. My previous apps (all VFP7 compiled and set up for installation under InstallShield v-11.x) ran fine under Vista, so I surmised I must have done something goofy in the VFP9 build. Long story short... Even after upgrading to InstallShield 2008 (v-11 seems to work for Vista but does not list Vista as an OS option, but v-2008 specifies Vista as an OS choice) I was running into that problem. I found that the problem went away f I set the Shortcut used to fire up the app is set to Normal window size, but seems to fail when it is in Maximized window size. I see the title bar, but no app, so I would kill it via Task Manager. If I maximize the app window when it is running it behaves perfectly after maximizing. I can live with this, but I was wondering if anyone else has seen that happen. This was on a dual monitor machine, BTW, but nothing shows on either monitor when started in Maximized window mode. Gil Gilbert M. Hale New Freedom Data Resources Pittsford, NY 585-359-8085 - Office (Rolls To Cellular) 585-202-4341 - Cellular/VoiceMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Server up-time - this story is better than all of yours together
Gawd, what a funny story! Amongst the best I have seen in many years. Ah, what a clever lot we are, eh? Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil Hentzen Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Server up-time - this story is better than all of yours together This will have me laughing for the rest of the year. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/ITAPPMONROBOT.aspx Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP9 under Vista, a little bit of strangeness...
Hmmm... A follow up on my own eMail? Okay... I turned off the dual monitor mode, and the app loads fine in maximize window mode. I played around with the dual monitor display setup some more, but as yet have not found a solution. I actually set up my apps to auto-center if a person is running with a single monitor, and for multiple monitors I tuck the the app windows into the upper left of the display sets, as autocentering on a dual monitor system yileds some strange results g. Anyway, I do not get the feeling the app is hiding because of the dual monitor display when lit up in maximize window mode, but... Who knows. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VFP9 under Vista, a little bit of strangeness... Greeting All! I put together a VFP app previously compiled under VFP7, recast it into a more complex database structure using VFP9, and compiled as an .exe under VFP9. I had it all working great running as an .exe, and later installable on a raw machine (I use VPC to test all Windows OSes from Win98SE through Vista). It installed and ran great under all OS levels until I hit Vista. My previous apps (all VFP7 compiled and set up for installation under InstallShield v-11.x) ran fine under Vista, so I surmised I must have done something goofy in the VFP9 build. Long story short... Even after upgrading to InstallShield 2008 (v-11 seems to work for Vista but does not list Vista as an OS option, but v-2008 specifies Vista as an OS choice) I was running into that problem. I found that the problem went away f I set the Shortcut used to fire up the app is set to Normal window size, but seems to fail when it is in Maximized window size. I see the title bar, but no app, so I would kill it via Task Manager. If I maximize the app window when it is running it behaves perfectly after maximizing. I can live with this, but I was wondering if anyone else has seen that happen. This was on a dual monitor machine, BTW, but nothing shows on either monitor when started in Maximized window mode. Gil Gilbert M. Hale New Freedom Data Resources Pittsford, NY 585-359-8085 - Office (Rolls To Cellular) 585-202-4341 - Cellular/VoiceMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Server up-time - this story is better than all ofyourstogether
LMFAO! Gawd, that is GREAT!! Memories like this make life all the more great. Thanks for sharing that! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Jarvis Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Server up-time - this story is better than all ofyourstogether Paul Hill wrote: On Dec 21, 2007 6:46 PM, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped The server run an access control system in a college dorm. All Fox for DOS based. Of course when the system was down nobody could get into their rooms :-) I need to be vague on purpose here... there were so many things WRONG with what happened I can't risk this coming back to me, even with the Statute of Limitations... Years and years ago I moved to a different state and didn't land a programming job at first, so with my law enforcement background I took a job as a patrol security guard at a small private college. As I roamed the campus from time to time I'd go by the computer lab and one time overheard some dBase key words being mentioned. One time I popped in and found out the kids were in fact learning dBase. I answered the kids questions and they were a bit stunned to see a security guard knowing this stuff. To them it was the latest-great-wiz-bang stuff, to me it was old hat yawner It wasn't long before I was basically holding office hours there in the lab. Word got to the debt head and he thanked me for the help since he didn't have a clue what all this dBase stuff was anyway and just read from the book they were using - he had zero hands on experience with it anyways Then one night I get a call at home. It's from a Senior VP of Operations at a BIG corporation that builds things that go BOOM! He knew the computer dept head and said he heard of me thru this contact. They were having a meeting the following week of all the international VP's and big wigs, and it turns out all his operational reports were wrong. There was a critical bit that they weren't trapping in the manufacturing process (think log files and/or process control languages). Without this number, all his reports (that he had never bothered to read before now) were useless to the honchos about to arrive. He asks me if I wouldn't mind stopping by and taking a look. RIGHT NOW. At 9pm on a Thursday. Said he'd pay me $500 cash to just come take a look. This guy was DESPERATE. I drive there and get met at the gate and he escorts me to the main building. He shows me the reports and the machine that traps the data. It's a device that I had never seen or heard of before, but at least the job control language was sitting there on the screen and one of the operators happened to know how to get at the programming. You should have seen this VP guy - looked white as a ghost and seemed to think the world was going to end if this thing didn't start working - NOW. I didn't know this version of the JCL but it looked like a cross between BASIC and Assember, so I could grasp what was going on. The VP says he will give me another $1000 if I can fix it before Monday. I told him I'd see what I can do... After all, he already handed me $500 and even though I thought I had ZERO chance of doing anything for him, I wanted to at least make it look like I had tried... Why they didn't have one of their own people take a look I was never told, but I suspected they fired him at some point and were now embarrassed and/or stuck without him. So with a guard standing behind me watching as he held his M16, I started poking around the code. It was remarkably concise and easy to follow. I could tell from the report in front of me that it was intercepting stuff from the data stream coming from the production line, gleaning certain bits and writing those off to some log file. The report obviously used this log file to do its' thing... I could see that it was gathering this and that, and it *should* have been grabbing the other thing, but wasn't. I looked, and looked sure enough, there was a missing comma in the line and this last bit was at the end, so the JCL just truncated it. I had the operator guy put in a comma, save the file and restart the program. Sure enough, they now had their super-special info being written to the log file and the reports were now correct. This took me all of about 20 minutes... I walk to the guys office (with guard in tow), pop in there to tell him I'm done, and as a joke I asked him what will you give me if I can get this done before Saturday so he could have a chance to go over the reports before the big meeting on Monday. This guy was getting more and more desperate by the minute He said if I could somehow get it done before morning he'd give me an extra grand. I told him I was done, he checked it out and sure enough - I pulled it off. He hugs me, goes to a safe in his office and pulls out
RE: [NF] CompUSA to close (was Re: [NF] -Digital Photo Frame)
I think it really due to two other issues: 1) CompUSA lost focus and began to get into more consumer electronics (TVs) as opposed to remaining in their niche, 2) with so much invested by Mexican investors recently (over $2 billion), and the US Dollar slipping against pretty much every significant currency (including the Mexican Peso!), the investors' capital investment would have lost money even if CompUSA was nominally profitable. I think it is more a matter of these particular Mexican investors pulling out of a US investment due to currency devaluation when it is held in US $, plus the relatively poor performance of CompUSA to boot. I do not foresee the US $ becoming stronger as long as we have a mad man at the helm continuing to mortgage our great-grandchildrens' futures for the self acclaimed Greater Good with his insane swipe at Iraq that serves no real purpose than to line the pockets of the various corporations that profit from the war. Further, the Chinese hold a lot of US securities, government and private, and at some point they too will tire of the slipping US $ valuation and dump those securities. You think gasoline and food is expensive now? Just wait until that piper gets paid! CompUSA is just the first of several such bailing foreign investors to come, IMHO... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] CompUSA to close (was Re: [NF] -Digital Photo Frame) buy online and lose more jobs Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 18 December 2007 23:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] CompUSA to close (was Re: [NF] -Digital Photo Frame) There just isn't enough money in selling computers retail. They closed the NJ stores last year. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1189 - Release Date: 18/12/2007 21:40 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Estimating value of very old PC equipment
I had a Ford dealer (not a client) call me the other month to see if I would like to either buy his in-house ADP system, or help him find a buyer for a % of the money. He had just purchased the dealership about 3 years ago, and in this tough market he was not well enough capitalized to keep it open. So he was closing the business and trying to sell off the assets before the bank came and grabbed everything they could (another situation unto itself I did not want to get tied up in). The ADP system had cost him about $250,000.00 for the hardware, and another $200,000.00 for initial software license. He was paying about $8,000 monthly for hardware and support, which is really hardware maintenance, tech support, and recurring license fees. He figured he could get at least $50,000 for the hardware. I felt terrible in telling him his hardware was about 3 years old, older for his PCs, and the only thing that made it worth anything was the use value of the proprietary ADP software on it. Since he did not own the software he could not leave it on the Server for others to use. And since ADP would not be willing to support hardware they did not sell themselves directly, anyone purchasing the hardware would be self-insuring against any problems. Hence, in case the equipment had a problem another dealer would be risking his own smooth business operations by using unsupported hardware. On top of that, ADP would likely relicense the use of their software at very high pricing simply because they would not have gained the profits of the hardware sale from the used equipment buyer. And, on top of that, the Server is an old IBM unit with 128Mg RAM and just over 1Ghz CPU clock speed, hardly a high performance machine. So at best he would be lucky to get $300.00 for it. He would be best off using eBay to sell it for what he could to avoid environmental disposal/recycling fees. He was shocked, and decided to call around. He called me a few weeks later and asked if I would be willing to buy it for $300.00, including all the PCs (15 of them). I told him I did not have the room or need for machinery with those specs from 3+ years ago, and he would be best off trying to move the equipment himself on eBay. Yeah, but the eBay fees would eat away at what I sell them for, and I would not get much from what I am seeing. Yes, sir, which is why I told you what I did the other week. I wish I could give you better news, but this is just how it works in the computer industry. If I could have helped you get a significant amount of your investment back I would have done so gladly, but it is not going to happen. It can't happen. He told me he did not fault me, but it sure deflated him as he was hoping to at least get some cash out of the computer system to help out financially after shutting down the store. Shame, but reality does bite at times... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Estimating value of very old PC equipment I have a very large customer with a suite of servers that are 6-7 years old. I would like an objective (3rd party) way to prove the value of this equipment is zero. (Or less than zero if you factor in ecological disposal). Is there an internet site that would help me prove my point? Plain old common sense is not an option for this particular customer. Thanks! Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] -- Microsoft Giving Away Vista Ultimate, With a Catch
For clarity, open to US residents only. For additional clarity, I do not give a rat's ass if it is free, with or without anyone monitoring my use. Vista sucks, and it still sucks even if it is free. They can find some other sucker willing to work with Vista Ultimate Sucko version, or any other degree of castrated version of Vista as far as I am concerned. Perhaps by the time Vista SP2 hits the streets some of the suckiness performance issues will be resolved, but I am betting not. And the User Access Control aspect of Vista is not likely to go away. It just is not worth it to me when alternatives are perfectly capable for my purposes (XP, 2000). Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] -- Microsoft Giving Away Vista Ultimate, With a Catch For clarity, open to US residents only. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Great service
Very cool of them. They have at least 2 fans for that positive action. You, and me. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Great service With the Windows Fanbois in full alert mode (and for good reason!), I thought I'd post something positive about Apple for a change. I got one of the original Intel MacBooks back in August '06. It has been my main machine ever since. Last month when I flew to San Antonio, I thought I'd take advantage of the free Wifi in the Rochester airport to check my email before getting on the plane. The battery was fully charged, but after about 5 minutes the computer just shut down. No warning, no sleep - just dead. It was as if it were a desktop machine and someone pulled the plug. I tried several times to get it to restart, but it would only go a little bit into the boot process and then die again. (note: so glad that it uses a journaling FS!). When I got to the hotel I plugged it in, and the battery monitor showed 95% charged. I tried a couple of more times to run on battery power, but it always did the same thing. Today I brought it in to the local Apple retail store and showed the tech there. After checking out a bunch of stuff, he agreed that the battery was defective; even if it had lost capacity, it should notify the OS so that it can go to sleep gracefully. So even though the laptop is out of warranty and the first problem didn't happen until after it was out of warranty, and even though batteries are not covered under the AppleCare extended warranty, he replaced the battery with a brand-new one. No charge! That's a $99 item for free! Apple sure can be corporate bastards at times, but at least they did the right thing today by me. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required
Hold on, I have to forward this to MicoScoff and let them know you just violated one of their terms of license g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required Well, I've just discovered that FoxPro for DOS will run quite happily in Ubuntu under DOSEmu, so there's your cross-platform solution! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP 9
Gil pointed me in this direction and it has been a slam-dunk worth every penny. I say go for it. WooHoo! I actually did someone some good in this world! Cool. heh-heh... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VFP 9 Gil pointed me in this direction and it has been a slam-dunk worth every penny. I say go for it. David Smith Systems Administrator Doan Family of Dealerships (585) 352-6600 ext.1730 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VFP 9 Check out Microsoft's Independent Software Vendor (ISV) program. For $375/year I get the full MSDN, which has its terms expanded to allow me to share the MSDN license with up to 4 additional developers. At the end of the 1st year you can renew for a 2nd year for another $375.00. It is the best deal going. You do need to qualify for the program, but the terms are easy to meet. I have been doing this for 3 years (M$ offered a 3rd year when I did not go into their Gold Channel Partner program for $10k/year after my 2nd year of ISV expired). Also, the MSDN license does not expire at the end of the year, although the update subscription does (big deal). http://www.microsoft.com/isv/ Good Luck! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Al Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VFP 9 Well my action pack has run out of time and the new one does not include MSDN so I wont bother. That means my VFP9 will also run out so Im looking at the upgrade. Anyone see good prices anywhere? Allen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 07/12/2007 13:11 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP 9
Besides, having parachutes in airplanes would not do much as nobody would know how to put it on or even use it or land safely on the ground. If the choice was between certain death in a crashing plane vs some slim chance of surviving if I had a parachute, I would opt the the parachute. But, the real problem is the number of folks who would panic and pop their chutes inside the plane before reaching the door, the door being opened with a fully pressurized cabin, hence blinding all aboard with the frozen mist as moisture goes through rapid evaporation and freezes, the number of folks who would be in terrible pain with the impact of decompression, the potential for structural failure with a sudden decompression, and the number of folks who would still get shoved out unprepared for an exit as others push for the exit door g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wohlrab Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VFP 9 Besides, having parachutes in airplanes would not do much as nobody would know how to put it on or even use it or land safely on the ground. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Harvey Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: VFP 9 600 mph at 35k feet - no problemo! JH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:17 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: VFP 9 Dave Crozier wrote: Why are there flotation devices under plane seats instead of parachutes? Not really feasible to parachute from a jet aircraft especially at that height! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required
Existing hardware? If so what do you have? Do you have to stay within Windows? Can you use OpenSource solutions? LAN, WAN, ThinNet? For relicensing as a commercial product, or internal use? What support resources are available now, are expected to be available? So many more questions... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Causton Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required The age old question again I am afraid - which language to use? We are maybe looking at a largish $200k development for which we want to get returns for the next ten years, longer if possible. Now lets assume that I am being employed as a Strategic Consultant to examine which development environment is right for the job, where do I start? Now I know what the natural answer from most people here is likely to be but... bearing in mind the lack of 64-bit future and our ten year expectation is that still the right choice? I look forward to the ensuing discussion. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required
I hate to even come off as tromping on this opportunity you have come across Nick. That is the last thing I would want to do. But Rick's point is really well grounded. IMHO one of the very last things that ought to be considered for a software/solution development project is what language to use, unless there is a really good reason or excuse to use a particular language due to current familiarity and knowing it will adapt well in producing a great result. Rick has offered a lot of very important elements of consideration already, so I am going to not repeat them lest one think I am merely doing a copy/paste g. I am certain you will do well with this project. I just hate to see you slide into the arena of selecting a language (or other tools) before getting your hands around what the needs are. This is probably one of the biggest mistakes I see newly certified software designers and engineers make, selecting the tools before really knowing what they are up against. Best of luck! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Schummer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required I think you missed my point Nick. The choice cannot be really discussed with a lack of information. Even with the details you posted in response to the post by Gil and myself. There are too many unanswered questions. Database of 10 tables is not enough details. I can build a one table database that has a billion transactions a day. If you tell me you have one table some people might conclude MS Access could have the horsepower. Throw in a billion transactions a day and people will change their mind. See my point now? g What about the security of the data? What about the security of the source code? What about the future enhancements? Are their certain ActiveX requirements? A Web Component? Is a super rich UI necessary for marketing? What are the competition offering? Is there a third-party product available? What about developer resources, their skill sets, and size of training budget? What about size of budget for the retooling? What research has been done to look at all the language/tool alternatives? Can the company even afford the time to come up to speed on the new tools? Will a competitive advantage be forgone? Too many questions. Too many possibilities. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NickC Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 02:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required Vague spec: All encompassing line of business application, for ten to twenty users. A couple of say ten table databases plus document management, which could be another ten table database. Also other external ancillaries, routing of incoming faxes, iSMTP event sink to route incoming emails, input scanned documents etc. Basically a Company wide integrated database solution. 64bit - That's were the crystal ball comes in, I do not foresee any genuine system need for 64bit, but in five years time it might transpire to be a marketing disadvantage to not be able to run on a 64bit server, then again it might not matter. Database storage - I see no reason why the database cannot reside on the Companies internal server, which is also their SMTP mail server; most of the access will be from internally anyway. There are already a couple of VPNs in place to allow remote users to connect to that internal server. Maybe some restricted remote web access might be necessary at some point. Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Schummer Sent: 09 December 2007 17:12 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: A Question of Strategy / Crystal Ball required You forgot to mention some or many of the key requirements. I am not saying you are doing this, but this is where most strategic consultants make a big mistake in my opinion. Pick a language before understanding all/most of the requirements. I have worked on too many project recoveries where the developer picked a language and development tool set based on one requirement: what do I need on my resume. Sickening. I have walked into project proposal processes where I was told what the tools were before the project was defined. Skipped it and watched the failures. You need to start by collecting the requirements for the project. So far you stated two - investment timeframe, and maybe a need for 64-bit. If the requirements are done, which I would assume is the case based on your question, you have to determine the best platform(s) for the job (database platform, replication schemes, servers (onsite or hosted),
RE: VFP 9
Check out Microsoft's Independent Software Vendor (ISV) program. For $375/year I get the full MSDN, which has its terms expanded to allow me to share the MSDN license with up to 4 additional developers. At the end of the 1st year you can renew for a 2nd year for another $375.00. It is the best deal going. You do need to qualify for the program, but the terms are easy to meet. I have been doing this for 3 years (M$ offered a 3rd year when I did not go into their Gold Channel Partner program for $10k/year after my 2nd year of ISV expired). Also, the MSDN license does not expire at the end of the year, although the update subscription does (big deal). http://www.microsoft.com/isv/ Good Luck! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Al Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VFP 9 Well my action pack has run out of time and the new one does not include MSDN so I wont bother. That means my VFP9 will also run out so Im looking at the upgrade. Anyone see good prices anywhere? Allen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 07/12/2007 13:11 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] More Apple Lovin'
Well, I just spent the afternoon at my one client's location, doing some more Windows-to-iMac migration work. Today's lesson was in how to migrate Office Outlook 2000 files to the M$ Office - Mac 2004 Entourage app (the Mac version of Outlook). Not having any real solid info I felt comfortable using to migrate the Outlook files. So I came across a site, www.littlemachines.com, that offers an Outlook file migration tool for iMac use (and others). The app is called O2M (Office-to-Mac). The license was $10.00, so I got it. I them mapped a share on the Windows 2000 machine Drive C onto the iMac, and dragged all the files the O2M app built over to the iMac's hard drive, in a new folder I created (all by myself!). Then I began the Import process, which is really nothing more than an Open With operation where I stipulate that Entourage is to always open those files. It went smoothly, although there is some moving and renaming I had to do from within Entourage. But all that sure beats manually creating all the .vcf, and other Outlook export files. And also beat having to rekey all those Contact records into Entourage manually. O2M would have been cheap at 5 times the price! Anyway, today's lessons involved a little more than connecting to a Windows shared drive from the iMac, and performing the Outlook file migration. I also heard from my client that the HP printer connected to the iMac, and shared so the Windows PC could print to it, failed to work for them the other day. Well, it worked for me (using Bonjour)! The only thing I figure could have happened was the iMac must have gone into deep sleep, and someone on the Windows PC tried to print to it, and the iMac did not pass the signal. I stated my theory to the folks, and suggested they simply press the Shift key on the iMac before doing any printing, just to make certain it wakes up before sending any print jobs through it. I am still quite taken aback by their iMac 24. Lynda's father wants a 17 Apple laptop for Xmas (and so he shall get one). He wants to get her mother something, so we suggested getting an iMac 24 for my mother-in-law. Well, it is actually for me g. I am going to go over often, just to make certain everything is running properly g, heh-heh. Hey, in short, Ed is right. Apple rocks! Gil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers
What out Mac zealots...the hackers are coming for you next! ;-) Okay, fair enough. Hey, did you see earlier where I said how awesome the iMac 24 looks? heh-heh... Seriously, I do not know the Mac OS nearly as well as DOS and Windows. And I am certain that in time there will be more attention drawn to hacking the Mac OS for Crimeware purposes. But it will take a very long time for there to be anywhere near the number of threats against Mac as we have against Windows. Norton does have a Mac AntiVirus on the market, but I am not certain how necessary it is at thie moment in time. Were I to (read as When I do ) get a Mac I would license Norton AV-Mac just to be on the safe side. But I would not be too worried about new attacks slipping under the radar screen for now. That alone is as tempting a reason for me as any to begin to look at an iMac for my wife, along with the other reasons I have in mind. I am so weary of having to watch my AV management software just to make certain the most recents updates have been applied. And I have it relatively good, as I use Symantec's Corporate AntiVirus, and have a central AV Server location where I can monitor and manage all AV apps on all my PCs and Server (and for client systems as well). Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers Courtesy Carl/VFUG. What out Mac zealots...the hackers are coming for you next! ;-) Original Message From the VFUG.Org List Server: FT.com / Companies / IT – Apple’s rising popularity lures hackers: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c79b814e-a364-11dc-b229-779fd2ac.html -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: 12/5/2007 8:41 AM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers
heh-heh... If I did not know Ed so well I would have been offended. But I know he can't help it (actually, chooses not to help it G). Foolish or not, the impact of running in DOS/Windows for so many years leaves me with hefty dose of CautionItis as a footprint in my mind. I figure running AV-Mac could not really hurt anything. And if it turns out it is not really not needed for me, perhaps it would be more helpful for eMails I may receive and forward that have an infected attachment that impacts Windows OS only. If that eMail winds up in someone else's incoming box and infects their Windows PC I would feel awful (especially a family member or client - my friends all know better g). So if nothing else I would like to try to take steps to stop the potential for passing infected attachment eMails to others even though my future Mac is impervious to any such attack. So, in that case being a fool is me just trying to be considerate, and making an effort to not be help responsible for passing on something bad to anyone else in case their defenses are weak. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Newton Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers Ed Leafe wrote: On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:56 AM, mrgmhale wrote: Were I to (read as When I do ) get a Mac I would license Norton AV-Mac just to be on the safe side. Fool. That's subtle, Ed :-) Paul Newton [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers
Aggg! heh-heh... I ought not tease about getting out my AR-15 and locking in a magazine of 30 rounds of hollow point .223 caliber ammo. With all the recent flurry re: the mall shooting in Omaha it would not be funny. So, nobody be worried.. I'm just sayin So, Ed, do not worry, I am not going to take out the AR-15, or anything (anyone) else g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Paul Newton wrote: Were I to (read as When I do ) get a Mac I would license Norton AV-Mac just to be on the safe side. Fool. That's subtle, Ed :-) But accurate! ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers
Are you sure that Norton AV Mac even does this? Wouldn't it make more sense to check your emails for suspicious attachments before forwarding them? Well, that is what happens with the AV offered for Linspire Linux, so it ought to be what AV-Mac is used for, eh? heh-heh... Seriously, that is part of what Norton AV-Mac is designed to do. See here ( indentations): Key Features # Removes viruses, worms, and Trojan horses automatically # Scans incoming email and Internet files # Defends against emerging threats # NEW! Compatible with Mac OSR X v10.4 TigerT # NEW! Includes a Global Threat Assessment Dashboard widget # NEW! Puts scan controls in Mac OS X contextual menus # NEW! Smart Volume Scanning eliminates redundant scanning of media you know are virus free # NEW! Custom SafeZones save time and system resources by scanning only specified drives or directories # IMPROVED! QuickMenu gives you instant access to frequently used features # Protects against PC as well as Mac viruses to prevent you from spreading viruses to PC users # LiveUpdateT can automatically download and install new virus definitions You might want to go with something with a better reputation than Norton. Here's one: http://www.clamxav.com/ It's a Mac (i.e., Gui- fied) front end to ClamAV, the AV software I run on the server that screens every email coming through my system. Thanks for the Heads Up. I iwll look into it also, once the need arises. It will be a while I think. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Apple's rising popularity lures hackers On Dec 6, 2007, at 12:28 PM, mrgmhale wrote: Foolish or not, the impact of running in DOS/Windows for so many years leaves me with hefty dose of CautionItis as a footprint in my mind. Exactly. Imagining ghosts... I figure running AV-Mac could not really hurt anything. Who needs CPU cycles? And if it turns out it is not really not needed for me, perhaps it would be more helpful for eMails I may receive and forward that have an infected attachment that impacts Windows OS only. Why would you be manually forwarding infected emails? If that eMail winds up in someone else's incoming box and infects their Windows PC I would feel awful (especially a family member or client - my friends all know better g). So if nothing else I would like to try to take steps to stop the potential for passing infected attachment eMails to others even though my future Mac is impervious to any such attack. Are you sure that Norton AV Mac even does this? Wouldn't it make more sense to check your emails for suspicious attachments before forwarding them? So, in that case being a fool is me just trying to be considerate, and making an effort to not be help responsible for passing on something bad to anyone else in case their defenses are weak. You might want to go with something with a better reputation than Norton. Here's one: http://www.clamxav.com/ It's a Mac (i.e., Gui- fied) front end to ClamAV, the AV software I run on the server that screens every email coming through my system. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Contractual stuff
One of the many things I have learned as a basic truism in our business is that when I am in doubt with anything relating to legal issues I call my primary Legal Advisor. This way you can get solid advice re: what you are signing away (all of your rights otherwise due you, unless you are getting paid a huge amount of dough for the project). If you and your counselor feel the deal is not acceptable, you can use him/her as the Bad Guy when opening a dialogue with XX. It will cost you some investment cash (tax deductible as a business expense from the first dollar of legal fees, as opposed to legal fees for personal matters), but it could save you a lot of grief and help retain opportunity revenue. Frankly, if it were me, unless I was going to get a lot of wampum for the project there is no way in blue blazes I would sign any contract with the wording you put forth. For me it comes to this, I am either going to license, control and become rewarded for my commercial development efforts, or I am going to create something on behalf of some other party for a huge amount of cash that they then essentially own all the rights to. In the latter case, if the app is a huge hit I gain nothing further from such success in the market. It is a one trick pony. I far prefer the former where I get to enjoy the fruits of my efforts via a monthly recurring license fee for as long as the app brings perceived value to an End User. And I still control who gets what, and under what terms and conditions. Get a qualified attorney, one who specializes in software matters, to help you before signing anything. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Contractual stuff On Dec 4, 2007 10:37 PM, Sytze de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone suggest an alternative clause ? Slightly off the focus of your question, but... Is this FoxPro code? If so, the Fox EULA requires you include some very specific restrictions in your license. You can't allow them to give away FoxPro's internals. You can't grant them the right to use the code unrestricted if that includes releasing the code as Open Source. Perhaps elsewhere in your contract you specifically delineate the difference between PAS and the FoxPro runtime, included utility code (like FFC modules) and support files. You certainly don't want to grant them rights to decompile the Fox runtime ;) I am not a lawyer, and any advice of that nature you get on this forum certainly doesn't apply to your jurisdiction. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] iMac 24 machine advisory
Greetings all! A client of mine has come down with GotToHaveMacItis recently, and purchased several Mac laptops and an iMac 24 machine for himself ro use. This gentleman is about to sell all of his automobile dealerships to a large, publicly traded company, and hence about to get a substantial windfall coming hi$ way. He is not about to retire, but he decided he did not want to fight with Windows any longer. So he jumped into the World Of Mac. Then he called me to get some help in setting up his WiFi (secured signal of course) for his new laptops the other week. With some guidance from Ed I managed to get his amchines connected and running very nicely, and got a chance to dabble a bit myself. Well, everything was fine until he had me come over to set up the iMac 24. Dag Blast him! I now have GotToHaveMacItis also! What a sweet piece of beautifully carved machinery, and I have really come to appreciate the OS and apps. The difference is that with this neck/spinal disease I managed to become afflicted with my income has been down substantially this year, and I am engaged in what promises to be a long drawn out fight with my personal disability insurance carrier (they acknowledge there is a medical condition, and are reviewing all my tax and business data from the past 4 years - taking their sweet time about it also). So it may be a while before I get one of them, and certainly not until I handle some other outstanding matters with an associate from a few years ago. I still maintain I will never escape from the Windows OS as all auto manufacturers require their dealers to have Windows for factory communications purposes. But, I can see myself gravitating more toward Ed's position from years ago where he told me, For my own stuff I use a Mac, when I get paid I will use Windows. Only after 2 days of playing with the iMac did I begin to get a sense of what he was telling me. Imagine being able to surf the web fearlessly, with no antivirus or antispyware running in the background (and no annual subscription renewal fees), and plugging in a printer and it just flat out works. No goofy installation hoops-of-fire to leap through. Such a smooth interface it is almost mentally liquid. The display is incredible, no other way to describe it - yet that word (incredible)seems inadequate unto itself after having gazed into the display over the past 2 days. Okay, I must stop this craziness. For what it is worth I plan to get myself into one of these Intel based iMac machines in 2008, somehow or another. I will get lots of RAM, and run XP as a guest OS, and use Office Mac for my Outlook replacement. Gawd, I am losing my mind! Damn those folks at Apple! To my colleagues I say, Beware! If you cast your eyes upon one of these machines be prepared to lose your way and find yourself sliding helplessly into the Apple Vortex! heh-heh Gil Gilbert M. Hale New Freedom Data Resources Pittsford, NY 585-359-8085 - Office (Rolls To Cellular) 585-202-4341 - Cellular/VoiceMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Paul and Ed want a new Ford (Sytze de Boer)
It seems pretty much any decision in business comes down to money and sex, eh g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Paul and Ed want a new Ford (Sytze de Boer) History has repeated itself with Sony and their Playstation Portable. When it initially came out, there were movies available in their UMD formatted discs, but there was a no-porn rule that kept that sort of entertainment off the system. As time went on and the UMD format began to die, there was a reversal and porn was allowed to enter the marketplace, at least in Japan. This has ( so far ) staved off the death of the format in that nation, though it may be too little too late, as the PSP firmware is already moving away from UMD in favor of direct-download. David Smith Systems Administrator Doan Family of Dealerships (585) 352-6600 ext.1730 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Paul and Ed want a new Ford (Sytze de Boer) What I heard was that *initially* they wouldn't allow it. Then they gave in but it was too late. By the end of Beta there was plenty of porno available. --- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Boatright wrote: including initially not allowing porno to be distributed on Beta, Bit of an urban myth, that one. Many theories regarding why Sony's Betamax failed have arisen over the years. One of the more amusing (and false) is that Sony refused to allow pornographic material on their system. A quick perusal of the Betamax library reveals that adult entertainment was readily available. More likely the shorter recording time on standard tapes. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. Right Wing Gifts! $15.00 off purchases of $50.00 or more! Offer expires November 28, 2007 Use Coupon code FRFAM2007 http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike Horse Racing Photographs http://www.horseracingpix.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Automating NTBackup
I have been using BackupAssist for my LTO3 Tape Drive, but that may be overkill for you. BackupAssist is a wrapper around NTBackup, and makes it real easy to set up the automation. But, for a simple task like yours I would look at the Command Line Interface options available with NTBackup, then use Windows Task Scheduler to automate the tasks. Luckily with 2000 Server setting up the Scheduler is far easier than using the old DOS CLI interface with NT4 Server. I am on the road at the time, so I do not have access to my documentation re: the various options you can use with NTBackup and Task Scheduler. It is easy to work with for something like what you are planning to do, and can be used with a target hard drive or tape drive. If you find the research and hacking more time consuming than you like, I have found the BackupAssist app to be a tremendous value. They have add-on modules that allow you to back up SQL Server and Exchange Server files on-the-fly, and they support VSS if you are running it (2003 Server or XP only, with a few other limitations/requirements). The cool thing, besides the relatively low price, is they use NTBackup as the backup engine, and the NTBackup Restore process in its native form for file recovery. This means you do not need to have some proprietary software to get files from the target device holding the backed up files. Very nice solution. www.backupassist.com. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Davis Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Automating NTBackup Does anyone have any advice or tricks for automating NTBackup. Scheduling is not so much a problem. But I would like to maybe have email notifications that is has been successful or unsuccessful. This is on a Windows 2000 Server. Thanks. Chris. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows - Tip O' the day - No to all
After all these years I still get to learn new things (new to me at least). I thought it was clever enough to be able to do a Shift-Delete to bypass sending deleted files to the recycle bin. Folks still marvel at that little trick when I do that g. Now I have one more little arrow of cleverness to show off with... Thanks! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob Anderson Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Windows - Tip O' the day - No to all Didn't know if others were aware of this. When copying files through explorer, and you get the prompt - file already exists - overwrite, yes, yes to all, no etc. Rather than hitting the 'N' key all the time, just hold down the shift key and click no, in effect only copying those files that do not exist in the destination folder. HTH, Robbo. Rob Anderson | Software Engineer | Pegasus, an Infor company | t: +44 1536 495000 | d: +44 1536 495006 | f: +44 1536 495214 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| www.pegasus.co.uk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Got Vista?
Excellent find! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Got Vista? http://tinyurl.com/28yfmh [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows repair options?
Before doing anything I suggest running a disk imaging app, and set it to ignore bad sectors (Ghost allows this in its advanced options). Also, I would do a separate file-by-file disk-to-disk backup. Only then would I try to effect any kind of repair - been burned too many times in the past to not do that any more. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows repair options? Vince Teachout wrote: I had some hard drive sectors go bad on me, and (seem to have) successfully recovered them with spinrite. Some of the files on those sectors were damaged though, and I keep getting an error on startup about General Hosting services failing. Problem is, I don't know what file that is. Is there some way to have windows (XP, SP2) check and repair system files? Thanks! Check the MS KB for info on Windows Recovery Console. It's pretty straightforward, but honestly I'm not sure it's 100% effective (maybe my problem lied elsewhere)... Matthew S. Jarvis IT Manager Bike Friday - Performance that Packs. www.bikefriday.com 541/687-0487 x140 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Using a virtualization tool to run Vi$ta...
Technically speaking, I never break M$ rules. They break my agreements! If they do not agree with that claim they can spend their precious legal fees on trying to prove otherwise g... When I open a M$ shrink wrap agreement I utter these following additional terms and conditions, by which they are duly bound as I am unless they want to take the shrink wrap product back from me at the time of opening, and refund my money. Agreement one, do no harm to a client/customer. Agreement two, do not try to shove something down the throat of a client, even if for their own good per my own perspective. Agreement three, M$ will never pursue any claim against me in any form. Agreement four, M$ will never try to enforce their agreements with me in an underhanded way, or change their EULA for a released product through any upgrade offering. Agreement five, M$ acknowledges my PC is mine to manage, not theirs to manage on my behalf. If I turn off automatic updates, do not offer to correct that situatin and try to trick me into allowing automatice upgrades that may interfere with how my machinery is set up. Hands off pal, it is mine, not yours, ever. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Using a virtualization tool to run Vi$ta... Legally speaking, you broke Micro$oft's license agreement right? -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 19:49:01 up 3 days 16 min ^ ^0 users load average: 1.00 1.02 0.91 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Away for a few days
Hey! You can't leave! What are we supposed to do while you are gone, hope nothing goes wrong with the Linux Server? Oh, that's right, Linux Windoze. Seriously, have a great time. Get back safely. If there is anything you need hlp with re: me going over to your place and kicking a Server in the tail, just let me know. Regards, Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADMIN] Away for a few days I will be out of my office until Friday working at a client site. I will be doing my best to check in and make sure things are running smoothly, but if there are any delays, rest assured that I will take care of them as soon as I have some free time. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Away for a few days
Drat! No chance to break anything for you in your absence... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Away for a few days On Oct 29, 2007, at 12:44 PM, mrgmhale wrote: Seriously, have a great time. Get back safely. If there is anything you need hlp with re: me going over to your place and kicking a Server in the tail, just let me know. I'll still have the rest of the family here, so your services will not likely be needed. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] How the Gates Stole Leopard
I don't enjoy the holidays at all. Many years ago I came to realize xmas was nothing more than an excuse to get a financial bump into the hands of merchants. And in the more recent decade it is an excuse to get new computers and electronic games for the family. There is absolutely religous basis for xmas, other than what the early church interjected in their own effort to get folks to come to cherch at least one (more) time each end of year for their own financial bump. One of the more itneresting videos I picked up is Unwrapping Christmas, from the History Channel. As I see it xmas and easter are both gross manipulations of the early church (historical fact, by the way) to merge church teachings with pagan beliefs to help the pagans feel better about their (sometimes forced) transition to christianity. And xmas is a fairly recent (re)introduction of a Norse belief/fable with a commercial twist, whereby consumers rush out to buy things while driven by guilt in doing so. Amazing. For my part, Lynda and I like to send out End Of Year Season's Greetings cards with pictures of our Siberian Huskies on them, just to stay in touch with friends, family and business associates. Other than that we do not partake in the insantiy of the xmas spirit. What I enjoy doing is watch this annual lemming race to the stores. Such strange creatures we are. I hope in my lifetime Is ee consumers wake up and revolt against the guilt driven push from the merchants who perpetuate this craziness. But as long as we have children, and parents need some way to help control them (santa 'claws' is watching you...), there will be xmas in our society. The only worthwhile gift I can see exchanging with someone is a legal copy of Visual FoxPro v-9, a copy of Dabo with 20 hours of tutorial time, a PC, or a recent copy of any Linux distro (there, this now qualifies as [NF] at the least g). Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] How the Gates Stole Leopard http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1026.html' He's a mean one, Mr. Gates. Actually, the most credit for that made-for-TV special (after the incomparable Ted Geisel (Dr. Suess) of course) is Thurl Ravenscroft, better known to an entire US Boomer generation as Tony the Tiger. I don't enjoy the holidays at all. But I do love many of its icons (any of our US friends recall the classic Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, with Burl Ives, the Isle of Misfit Toys, and the 'Bominible?), and that includes this Suess classic, along with A Charlie Brown Christmas, including the incomparable, immortal Vince Guaraldi score). All right, so I'm getting kind of misty now. And it's waaay too early to be thinking about thi stuff. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] The System Builder OEM WinXP/Vi$ta in Amazon
And does the US government has a department that offers free legal advices to the poor? Yeah, their toll free number is 1-800-tufshit. Seriously, one way I know of to get free legal advice is to get arrested for a crime, claim/prove you do not have the resources to pay for legal counsel, and the government entity responsible for prosecuting the case then provides legal counsel (Public Defender). BUT, if later it is found a person has assets (not necessarily cash, but perhaps equity in a home or other items that could be liquidated) they could end up getting a bill for said free legal advice. Another way is to have some wrong acted upon a person or group that is so detestable that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) will jump into the midst of the issue and press a lawsuit against an offending entity. In the US, when a person goes to court only a fool expects to see justice done. If it is a criminal case, even if a defendent wins he/she will be impoverished due to the legal fees in the end. If it is a civil case, it is a matter of who can outspend/outwait whom. The only things that keeps large organizations (insurance companies, medical institutions) somewhat in line are the potential for bad press that could damage their public imange, and the implicit threat of huge punitive damage awards paid to the wronged party in the event the judge or jury finds for a person who has been wronged. I have several attorneys I work with for my business and personal matters. I like them all, but hate calling them unless really necessary. And when I am with them socially I make certain to never, ever discuss legal matters involving myself or my business lest I either get billed for the time, or am viewed as a parasite looking for free advice g. Fair is fair, but I only call on them if it is really necessary. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] The System Builder OEM WinXP/Vi$ta in Amazon BTW, do you happen to know a open-sourced lawyers, aka, offering free legal advices? And does the US government has a department that offers free legal advices to the poor? -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 17:38:01 up 10 days 20:04 ^ ^2 users load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Vi$ta product key
And each license should be stamped by local government. :) And if you live in Nigeria the license key code is tattooed onto your arm (part of the way the government tries to fight Nigerian 419 scammers g). Yes, just kidding... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Vi$ta product key Man-wai Chang wrote: David Smith wrote: I have not read anywhere that it does, and as via MSDN you can download and install it anywhere on the globe you'd think that if the key was country-specific they'd either say so or ask you somewhere along the line the nation it would be installed in. I think Micro$oft should have included it in the key generation process... :) And each license should be stamped by local government. :) -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 18:31:01 up 10 days 20:57 ^ ^2 users load average: 0.03 0.02 0.01 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Business basics question -- invoice before signed contract?
Wow, Michael, tact and diplomacy go a long way, especially with a new client... IMHO, you badically hit him between the eyes, and allowed him to feel you may not trust him. It is the, but not until we get the signed contract., part of the eMail I think may have caused the friction. Tome it sounds like, Damn it, Gil, first you have to sign the contract, then we will invoice you. But nothing happens until after you sign the contract, otherwise I do not know if I can rely on you to see this deal through... About this time I would be calling the client, and advising the eMail's tone likely was too terse, and not reflective of what you meant. What you meant to say (I hope) is, Normally I like to get a contract signed with a client. Only after the contract is signed will I be invoicing you for any fees. I do this to help reduce the potential for misunderstandings. Big difference in approach, and potential for misunderstandings in perception by the client. Just my 2 cents, my friend. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael J. Babcock, MCP Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Business basics question -- invoice before signed contract? Got a potential buyer for FabMate who wants me to invoice him...but he hasn't yet signed the contract. I sent a simple email with this message yesterday to him: Good morning, Walter! Once you return the signed contract, we will then invoice you...but not until we get the signed contract. Thanks! --Michael - I learn today that he's upset and wonders why he has to sign and return the contract first. To me, that's just the natural order of the business transaction. Am I wrong? btw -- this guy has been dicking around for a year...telling us oh yeah, we're buying it... I've grown tired of dealing with him, so this was basically my way of saying if you're serious, sign and return the contract and then I'll continue this transaction with you. Your thoughts? tia, --Michael [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Business basics question -- invoice before signed contract?
Yep, there is always the other side of the story, or so it seems. I am sorry about the personal grief. I have gone through 2 divorces in past years, and know the emotional and financial grief that comes with the mess. Uggghhh... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael J. Babcock, MCP Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Business basics question -- invoice before signed contract? mrgmhale wrote: Wow, Michael, tact and diplomacy go a long way, especially with a new client... IMHO, you badically hit him between the eyes, and allowed him to feel you may not trust him. It is the, but not until we get the signed contract., part of the eMail I think may have caused the friction. Tome it sounds like, Damn it, Gil, first you have to sign the contract, then we will invoice you. But nothing happens until after you sign the contract, otherwise I do not know if I can rely on you to see this deal through... About this time I would be calling the client, and advising the eMail's tone likely was too terse, and not reflective of what you meant. What you meant to say (I hope) is, Normally I like to get a contract signed with a client. Only after the contract is signed will I be invoicing you for any fees. I do this to help reduce the potential for misunderstandings. Big difference in approach, and potential for misunderstandings in perception by the client. Just my 2 cents, my friend. Gil I'll be the first to say that my tact is terribleand perhaps largely soured by this whole shitty marriage-failure/divorce situation. I also am having my financial records subpoenaed for this divorce settlement case so I certainly don't want to make accounting entries for funds that may never appear. I did send him this a bit later this morning: - Walter, You can fax the signed contract back to us to save on postage: 815-642-9707. Once we get that, you can work out a timeframe with Nick for your onsite training for a date that works best for both of you. It must be 30+ days from the date we receive the signed contract. That way, we can use that time to cater the training for you as well as set up our travel accommodations. Then, when Nick is there for training, you can just give the original signed contract to Nick and keep a copy for your records. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to contact Nick or myself. Thanks! --Michael - Hopefully that takes care of it. I guess I over-reacted...I'll send him the invoices despite my paranoia. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Business basics question -- invoice before signed contract?
Hmmm... Now I am wondering if this is going to be good or bad for you. Oh well, take the cash and run with it... How bad could it get? g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Business basics question -- invoice before signed contract? mrgmhale wrote: Wow, Michael, tact and diplomacy go a long way, especially with a new client... IMHO, you badically hit him between the eyes, and allowed him to feel you may not trust him. It is the, but not until we get the signed contract., part of the eMail I think may have caused the friction. Tome it sounds like, Damn it, Gil, first you have to sign the contract, then we will invoice you. But nothing happens until after you sign the contract, otherwise I do not know if I can rely on you to see this deal through... About this time I would be calling the client, and advising the eMail's tone likely was too terse, and not reflective of what you meant. What you meant to say (I hope) is, Normally I like to get a contract signed with a client. Only after the contract is signed will I be invoicing you for any fees. I do this to help reduce the potential for misunderstandings. Big difference in approach, and potential for misunderstandings in perception by the client. Just my 2 cents, my friend. Gil I'll be the first to say that my tact is terribleand perhaps largely soured by this whole shitty marriage-failure/divorce situation. I also am having my financial records subpoenaed for this divorce settlement case so I certainly don't want to make accounting entries for funds that may never appear. I did send him this a bit later this morning: - Walter, You can fax the signed contract back to us to save on postage: 815-642-9707. Once we get that, you can work out a timeframe with Nick for your onsite training for a date that works best for both of you. It must be 30+ days from the date we receive the signed contract. That way, we can use that time to cater the training for you as well as set up our travel accommodations. Then, when Nick is there for training, you can just give the original signed contract to Nick and keep a copy for your records. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to contact Nick or myself. Thanks! --Michael - Hopefully that takes care of it. I guess I over-reacted...I'll send him the invoices despite my paranoia. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- Part 3
Ballmer will be *so* pissed at you. Better than being pissed on by Ballmer (again)... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- Part 3 Ballmer will be *so* pissed at you. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- continued
A much more intelligent response is to let capitalism work the way it's supposed to. Don't give your money to companies like that. Period. If you continue to support their business, then stop whining about it Well said, and directly on point when it comes to what we can do about abusive, self-serving agreements with software producers who bully their customers, because they can. For anyone who thinks M$ is in total control of the marketplace, and consumers have no say in their direction, I need only point to the most recent delay in M$ trying to kill XP in favor of Vista. I have tried to use Vista and make sense of its design, the protections put into place to keep me out of trouble, the need to pretty much disable all such protections just to enable it to run as sluggishly as it does when stripped of the poorly executed protections, and I am very much underwhelmed. I do not need the eye candy offered as opposed to true enhancements, and I dread the day I find my clients being trapped into getting Vista whether they want it or not as they replace their PCs over the next few years. M$ may end up winning this war eventually, but it is going to bleed customers off that will end up finally saying enough is enough, and seek alternatives (Linux, OpenOffice, etc.). Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- continued On Oct 22, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Mark Stanton wrote: I just phoned Micro$oft Hong Kong. My guess was/is correct. The OEM WinXP and OEM Office licenses that accompanied a PC would expire when that PC died. There is no legal way of transferring to another PC, even though the PC is of the same build as the dead one. The OEM licenses are tied to the soul of the PC. Isn't that a rather convenient thing for them to say? Does it sound reasonable? Fair? Legal? Or perhaps not... They can say whatever they want. If you have the legal firepower to challenge them, be my guest. A much more intelligent response is to let capitalism work the way it's supposed to. Don't give your money to companies like that. Period. If you continue to support their business, then stop whining about it. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- continued
Problem being that in the sphere of payroll and accounting software for small to medium sized enterprises, the alternatives just ain't there. Perhaps not for the PCs with specific tasks, but for where their bread basket is we have an opportunity to use other solutions. M$ no longer owns the File Server, or Web Server market with OS solutions. Nor does it any longer own the SQL Server market with such tremendous solutions available for far less or free. Not all End Users need a Windows OS, for many a Linux OS with OpenOffice and LAN and/or an Internet connection is fine. Leave the Windows OS in place for Payroll and other specific solutions, and use M$ minimally wherever possible. At some point folks will have enough of the tyrant, and either the tyrant will become more gentle, or it will find its support base leaving for gentler territory. I, for one, have already accepted the fact my clients will likely always have to work in a Windows environment for their workstation equipment. But, wherever I can use Linux for a LAN or Internet based Server I will do so. And I have selected PostgreSQL as my RDBMS solution as opposed to M$ SQL Server (still using FoxPro for legacy apps, no need to migrate those, but for anything new it is PostgreSQL and Linux Server). Unto itself my decision will have little impact on M$, but this is one of those 1,000 cuts things. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- continued mrgmhale wrote: M$ may end up winning this war eventually, but it is going to bleed customers off that will end up finally saying enough is enough, and seek alternatives (Linux, OpenOffice, etc.). Problem being that in the sphere of payroll and accounting software for small to medium sized enterprises, the alternatives just ain't there. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- continued
Sounds like a business opportunity. I was thinking the same thing, but not for me to pursue. I am too busy trying to be busy to chase that rainbow. Then again... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] About OEM WinXP -- continued On Oct 22, 2007, at 8:05 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Problem being that in the sphere of payroll and accounting software for small to medium sized enterprises, the alternatives just ain't there. Sounds like a business opportunity. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
MSDN provides monthly updates (except in 2007 one month was skipped due to no updated software ready for release) as part of the package. Once MSDN's annual update is over you can still use the entire MDSN package. You can use all the apps and OS for your PCs (within certain amounts and uses). Normally their top end (Universal?) MSDN is over $3,000. But under their ISV Empower program it is under $400.00! Just one use of XP Pro and full blown Office alone makes it worth while - IF you qualify for the ISV program. I have used the ISV/MSDN program for 3 years, after a few years of full price MSDN, and have found it entirely worth while. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 12:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP Have you looked into getting the MSDN license through the M$ Independent Software Vendor (ISV) Empower program? I think it is $375 for all OS and apps for multiple machines used to develop M$ based solutions. At the end of the year the monthly updates stop, but you can keep using the OS/Apps. But MSDN requires a yearly subscription. For a home PC, it's not worth it. -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 12:37:01 up 7 days 15:03 ^ ^2 users load average: 0.00 0.01 0.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
Office 2007 is very, very different than all the versions that preceded it. At first I found Office 2007 almost confusing to use, could not see where to light up the Print menu g for a while (I did find it eventually). But, on the other hand, for once M$ actually seems to have gotten it right with their MailMerge interface. Seems that after Office 2000 they kept dinking with MailMerge, trying to stupify it so anyone could use it - unless that anyone happened to know how to use MailMerge aoready and just wanted to blow by their stupid forced wizard interface. In 2007 it is the best MailMerge interface yet, although I still prefer to use Office 2000 for most of my stuff. Luckily I still have my older CDs as one can't get Office 2000 from MSDN any longer, not since M$ tried to force folks away from Java when Sun sued their asses for trying to create their own M$ enhanced Java, against Sun's license terms. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP But it seems that most Hong Kong schools require students to know and use Micro$oft Office. :) Office 2007 is very, very different than all the versions that preceded it. My recommendation would be to try to find a version of Office 2003 instead. I haven't come across any customers or schools using Office 2007 yet. Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
Amongst the main things you need are a company name, a thought for a product you will produce for commercial release within 1 year (extendable to 2 years), a web site IDing you as a software vendor/developer using M$ products with an eMail address and phone @ along with your company name, and $375USD. Someone will eMail or call you to confim some things, and at the end of the year you will be encouraged to become a Gold Channel (?) M$ Partner, or extend the ISV program for another year to complete your product (plus another $375 for a 2nd year of MSDN). I did release my products/enhancements, using VFP mostly. But I did not become a Gold Partner ($10k per year?). A few months after my 2nd ISV/MSDN expired M$ offered me a 3rd year (for another $375) to re-extend my enrollment, so I accepted. If they do not offer a 4th year I will enroll as another company and go for it again. Best deal going. There is no contractual demand for a person to become a Gold Partner. The entire ISV program is designed to give developers access to M$ tools for cheap, and to help dissuade developers from migrating to Open Source or other alternative development tools and platforms (Dabo, Mac, Linux, Python, Java, Open Office, etc.). Since my target market will likely always be stuck in the World Of Windows for their client PCs, I must remain there as well. But for back end Servers for my apps I have already begun my move into Novell's Suse Linux Enterprise Server, after a nasty surprise with 2003 Server's Terminal Service CAL pricing (doubles pricing, whereas before TS was at no additional charge). Their new pricing policy bit me hard, and I have decided to never let that happen to me or a client again. So I am using Linux as a Server platform, and PostgreSQL for my back end, despite still using VFP for my frint end apps (new apps are being done with browser scripting and Java, although I plan to begin using Dabo and Python at some point). So for me the ISV subscription is becoming more of a way to help bridge/enable my transition from M$ to Open Source solutions on the back end and front end, while still using M$ tools for workstations. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP ... sniped... But under their ISV Empower program it is under $400.00! Just one use of XP Pro and full blown Office alone makes it worth while - IF you qualify for the ISV program. I have used the ISV/MSDN program for 3 years, after a few years of full price MSDN, and have found it entirely worth while. I am currently unemployed. Am I qualified? Do I need a company name to get it? :) -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 20:16:01 up 7 days 22:42 ^ ^2 users load average: 0.00 0.02 0.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
I know about 2-3 years ago I purchased a motherboard for a PC for a relative who initially wanted to use Linux instead of Windows. After trying to use Linspire she decided it was too different than Windows and changed her mind, wanted Windows XP. I asked my vendor if I could get it separately, and he said legally he could not do that. I ended up going to www.buycheapsoftware.com and was able to purchase Windows oem, but they do ship it with a qualifying piece.of hardware (usually a manufacturing rejected piece like a PCI slot, or memory riser socket). The idea is they shipped it with the hardware, but I do not have to use it with that hardware, so I still get the price break. I have always liked doing business with them, good folks. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP John Harvey wrote: Yes. You can just buy a case and it will qualify, or so I've been told by my supplier. Let me talk to the company that sold me the motherboard to sell me an OEM WinXP... Must the 2 items (motherboard, WinXP OEM) on the same invoice? :) -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 20:45:01 up 7 days 23:11 ^ ^2 users load average: 0.01 0.03 0.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
Talking to yourself ? :) Allen Or maybe fog of war... ? :) If nothing else our friend Man-wai Chang is apparently better read about American politics than many US citizens. I really enjoyed reading McNamara's account of his own (mis)involvement in the entire Vietnam debacle. He certainly showed courage in admitting his errors in thinking back then. I saw it more of an admonition to future leaders to not follow the failed visions from back then, as opposed to an apology for his involvement in a maligned foreign policy - which I think a lot of folks felt he owed (apology) to the families who lost loved ones in that war (on both sides). Well, apparently his words and wisdom in his later years are wasted on our current administration. Oooops, I got into an [OT] area accidentally! g Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP Talking to yourself ? :) Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: 21 October 2007 15:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP Man-wai Chang wrote: I am gonna call Micro$oft Hong Kong tomorrow for these questions. I hope I don't need to find a lawyer if not a judge. :P They are all just layers of un-certainties... do we need that many layers actually? Or maybe fog of war... ? :) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 20/10/2007 14:59 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
My school Monroe Community College in Rochester NY has put office 2007 into mass circulation on all the computers. Is it pirated g? Did you help them get it for cheap? heh-heh... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wohlrab Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP My school Monroe Community College in Rochester NY has put office 2007 into mass circulation on all the computers. Computer Technology Solutions Mike Wohlrab President 585-944-3823 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MikeWohlrab.com FTP://MikeWohlrab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP But it seems that most Hong Kong schools require students to know and use Micro$oft Office. :) Office 2007 is very, very different than all the versions that preceded it. My recommendation would be to try to find a version of Office 2003 instead. I haven't come across any customers or schools using Office 2007 yet. Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
What's the reaction from the user community? Well, as long as it does not cost me more in taxes... g Well, if the students are learning Office 2007 in their courses of study, guess what is going to be placed into the work force once they get into corporate America? And THOSE copies will not be low/no charge. So there WILL be a charge in the form of increased Cost Of Goods/Services to the consumer as a result (but supposedly offset with an increase in productivity, which is not that wasy to argue in favor of as the large productivity gains have already been realized in the human-to-machine interaction arena. The real trick now is to interface data from disparate, non-ODBC (etc) compliant technologies to further leverage automation without having to dispense with the current investments in software and machinery. Just my observation within my field of business involvement... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP My school Monroe Community College in Rochester NY has put office 2007 into mass circulation on all the computers. What's the reaction from the user community? Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
Thanks to Gil, I was able to get used to Office 2007 before others Just to clarify, lest any of my fellow FoxHeads think I am either handing out Office 2007 for free, or helping anyone pirate Office 2007, under the M$ ISV program I am able to share the MSDN apps within certain limitations with up to 4 additional developers who are working on projects with me. Part of the internship with myself and Michael required him to become familiar with Office 2007, hence how he got his copy for development purposes (MailMerge interface for instance). He also did some in-depth evaluation of Vista Beta and post-release Vista for me, so he was able to warn me of where the rocks under the surface of the smooth water were located. As a result I was able to avoid a lot of burnt up time needlessly. His help was invaluable, and he got bragging rights for having Vista before any of his friends/enemies in his school. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wohlrab Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP I don't really know what the reaction is from the users because they just use it like anyone else would use it. It's there, I don't have to pay for it, so I might as well use it. I think that is the reaction from the users. Thanks to Gil, I was able to get used to Office 2007 before others were so I know a lot of the ins and outs that others don't know and I have become more familiar with it. Computer Technology Solutions Mike Wohlrab President 585-944-3823 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MikeWohlrab.com FTP://MikeWohlrab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP My school Monroe Community College in Rochester NY has put office 2007 into mass circulation on all the computers. What's the reaction from the user community? Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
I didn't see anything, and I don't know anything. Hmm, a strange new way of looking at the Duck Cover statement I grew up with in post-WWII newkeylar threat era in the US (newkeylar is a Bushism, I know it is nuclear). When we had to practice our Duck Cover drills it was to help prevent shards of glass from cutting our flesh to ribbons (not what the teachers told us, it was to protect us from the blast) - just before we were to become instantly incinerated in the event of a nearby nuclear blast. In Michael's case it seems to be more akin to an Ostrich ducking and covering its head in order to not see something too terrible to want to witness (piracy of M$ software, or an imminent threat of some sort g). I am certain his campus has cut a deal with the devil, er, I mean M$, in order to bring the very best software into the hands of its free thinking students. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wohlrab Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP Is it pirated Yes, it is pirated. Did you help them get it for cheap? No, I didn't, but I saw a Microsoft rep walking around to all the computers putting in a pirated license key kode. For those that don't notice my humor in this, it is not pirated as far as I can tell, and there was no M$ rep as far as I know. I didn't see anything, and I don't know anything. Computer Technology Solutions Mike Wohlrab President 585-944-3823 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MikeWohlrab.com FTP://MikeWohlrab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP My school Monroe Community College in Rochester NY has put office 2007 into mass circulation on all the computers. Is it pirated g? Did you help them get it for cheap? heh-heh... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wohlrab Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP My school Monroe Community College in Rochester NY has put office 2007 into mass circulation on all the computers. Computer Technology Solutions Mike Wohlrab President 585-944-3823 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MikeWohlrab.com FTP://MikeWohlrab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP But it seems that most Hong Kong schools require students to know and use Micro$oft Office. :) Office 2007 is very, very different than all the versions that preceded it. My recommendation would be to try to find a version of Office 2003 instead. I haven't come across any customers or schools using Office 2007 yet. Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Any experience with Dragon Naturally Speaking 9.0 Standard orPreferred?
Shortly after I pinched a nerve at c-6 quite badly I used Dragon v-9, standard version. I found it to be quite capable, getting most of my words correct, leaving very little to mop up after. Far better than versions from 1996-1997. I was running on an AMD 1800 PC with 2Gb RAM that has Outlook (Office 2000), FireFox, Quicken and Quickbooks running continually in the background. Once in a while I light up Word 2000, sometimes Excel 2000. It cohabitated nicely with all that (plus Symantec AntiVirus Corporate 10.0.1). I was not dissatisfied with the investment I made in it, although the numbness (and pain) has dissapated to the point where I have not used it for a few months (I have also been in California, away from my system quite a lot over the past 3 months). Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Any experience with Dragon Naturally Speaking 9.0 Standard orPreferred? Anyone have any experience with the very latest versions of Dragon Naturally Speaking 9.0 (Standard or Preferred editions)? I just received an offer for 50%(?) off these products via: http://www.nuance.com/talk/ -- have to use to get savings I've tried the built in version of voice recognition that ships with XP Professional and that seems to work OK (for my voice). Wondering if the latest versions of commercial voice recognition software running on newer 3ghz, 2G+ workstations has improved enough to take another look at this technology. Thanks! Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
only if you purchase the M$ OS license at the same time that you bought the qualifying hardware. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] about OEM WinXP If I just buy a motherboard, is this board alone qualifies for a copy OEM Windows XP? -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 19:55:01 up 6 days 22:21 ^ ^2 users load average: 0.01 0.09 0.04 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] about OEM WinXP
Well, it does not die with it, but if it sees a significant change with the HW it may require you to reactivate it and maybe explain it away to a M$ tech as a replacement motherboard in the same PC. Could get edgy. I would opt for the full version of XP Pro were it not for my MDSN subscription. Have you looked into getting the MSDN license through the M$ Independent Software Vendor (ISV) Empower program? I think it is $375 for all OS and apps for multiple machines used to develop M$ based solutions. At the end of the year the monthly updates stop, but you can keep using the OS/Apps. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Man-wai Chang Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] about OEM WinXP mrgmhale wrote: only if you purchase the M$ OS license at the same time that you bought the qualifying hardware. Um... I think I should go for the full version. The XP OEM license dies with the hardware, right? -- @~@http://changmw.homeip.net / v \ May the Force and Farce be with you! Linux 2.6.23.1 /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) 21:37:01 up 7 days 3 min ^ ^2 users load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million!
Hey! You can't be speaking to us folks over hear like that unless it is in Spanish, or some other non-English language so we have a good excuse to not listen to you! g Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million! Ed Leafe wrote: On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Allen wrote: I'm not going to make a big speech, but I disagree with rules to rid a member of the list for posting OT. They may also post relevant useful stuff. Well, duh. If you find them to be useful overall, then don't filter them out. But its your list so I wont argue. It's not my list; it's the community's list. I just host it. Just one point, too many people posted OT remarks not thinking that this is not a USA only membership. That seems to be a nearsightedness that is all too common here in the USA, so I guess it is to be expected that that would show through here, too. I do think that the outside influences have been educational to those here whose minds are still open and flexible. Naaah! He's right! Ther's us farriners here so make allowance for our presence and keep yar remarks ta yarselves! We don't wanna hear yous yankee thaughts, nuff with our awn! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] RE: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million!
such as Gil and his chainsaw g Gawd, that was so long ago! And, as Ed pointed out, I WAS wearing a FoxPro T-Shirt at the time (in one of the pictures), so technically it was VFP related g... I also like to get a flavor for the folks in this list. It certainly makes things more interesting. And I love the clever ways one (including me) can weave in a personal items of potential interest in with techie or [NF] topics. I guess it would be a bit self-promoting of me to point out that is was ME who FINALLY placed a [NF] in the subject line for this thread g. But, even that is not entirely correct, as I did mention my FoxPro T-Shirt above! So it is kind of VFP related. I second the expression of gratitude for Ed's efforts in hosting this site, and for his other sites (Python, Linux, etc.) that many VFP ProFox folks may not be aware of. Where does he find the time, I wonder? Is that why I can't find my Day Stretcher device? Did Ed scarf off with it? Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Weller Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million! I second that. I find the list a friendly place and it is interesting to hear of other people's lives, interests, background, jobs and different ways of doing things - such as Gil and his chainsaw g. I also found it very helpful when I needed information of a personal nature that could be best given by someone based in the US. What I am not interested in is people's political opinions and the like as they invariably clash with someone else's and lead to acrimony - I can get that off list! I'm sure most of you wouldn't be interested in hearing me rant about the over-bearing, unelected EU. Thanks again to Ed for hosting it. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: 19 October 2007 21:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million! I still ask why then instead of an OT, is there not a place for those that want to discus the USA involment in wars, and the like, and is there not somewhere more relevant to do so. Rather that misstype the [ as ( and upset all those that dont want to know or is not relevant to. It does seem to crop up as a regular event. But you did miss one of my points. I do like to hear from some members on subject not computer related. Personal matters for example because there are a lot of nice people here I want to know about. And I miss those because the OT is a bit heavy. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: 19 October 2007 21:32 Well, duh. If you find them to be useful overall, then don't filter them out. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 19/10/2007 05:10 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million!
Wow! 2m so far. Cool. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Rush Limbaugh smear letter up to 2 million! This sure makes the dummycrats look bad and gives money to a great charity! http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter _W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZViewItem Happy Halloween! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/1885891 Horse Racing Photographs http://www.horseracingpix.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Another test
I did not get this eMail. Wait a moment... Then how could I be responding to it via Reply?!? Hmmm, I must be wrong. I guess I did get it. g gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADMIN] Another test This one is being addressed directly to the profoxtech list. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Another test
If you did not get this FAX please call 800-BuzzOff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Crooks Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Another test On Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM Gil wrote: I did not get this eMail. Wait a moment... Then how could I be responding to it via Reply?!? Hmmm, I must be wrong. I guess I did get it. Raise your hand if you are _not_ here! :-) David L. Crooks [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [ADMIN] Another test
Do you have a number for me to call? Yeah, 800-ScamBait -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wohlrab Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Another test Who do we call if we did get the fax. I got a fax a few days ago that was 6 pages long. Do you have a number for me to call? Computer Technology Solutions Mike Wohlrab President 585-944-3823 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MikeWohlrab.com FTP://MikeWohlrab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Another test If you did not get this FAX please call 800-BuzzOff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Crooks Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Another test On Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM Gil wrote: I did not get this eMail. Wait a moment... Then how could I be responding to it via Reply?!? Hmmm, I must be wrong. I guess I did get it. Raise your hand if you are _not_ here! :-) David L. Crooks [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Dual monitors
My 18 month old HP Pavilion laptop (Z2000) has an external VGA port that can be set up as either a mirror display for the primary panel, or for independent dual monitor display for disparate display purposes. The main LCD panel has a max resolution of 1024 x 768, but the external port if configured as an independent 2nd display dual monitor (non-mirrored) can go to 1280 x 1024. This is fairly typical of laptops with external VGA ports over the past 2-3 years, depending on the manufacturer and model. I normally use my 2nd laptop VGA port for independent display purposes with either an external 19 LCD monitor when visiting my parents (and setting up shop at their place), or with my BenQ DLP projector for presentation purposes. It does a great job for me, very nice feature. I have seen a device at CompUSA that will create a dual monitor output port via a USB connection (v-2.0 USB port I am certain), and is meant for use with laptops primarily. I did not pay much attention to it, other than a passing thought re: how slow it must be compared to a regular PCI or AGP video card. Then again, a slow 2nd monitor is better than no 2nd monitor at all. I have a few dual-head adapters on my tower PCs. They are simply video cards with 2 separate output ports, one port per monitor. Often one is a standard 15 pin VGA port, and the other is a Digital port. The digital port is easy enough to convert to a standard VGA 15 pin output via a Digital-to-VGA converter. I had to do that with every one of my dual-head VGA cards. I had tried using two separate video cards in my workstation PCs at first, one in a PCI slot, the other in a AGP slot. They worked almost well enough, but I would run into apparent driver conflicts, even if the brands were the same. I finally opted to simply go with single AGP slot video cards with dual ports (dual-head). Everything has been great since then. I went with 256 - 512 Mg cards, nothing smaller than 256Mg (128Mg per head/port). Note, however, I do not do any gaming. If you do gaming, or need really fast performance, you are going to pay through a bloody nose for high performance dual-head video cards. As an aside, I have used both nVidea and Radeon technology based cards. Both work well for my purposes. Finally, for some really nice control of the dual monitors I licensed UltraMon, which allows home users to use a single license for use with multiple PCs. I am able to get some really nice display options beyond those that Windows provides. It was inexpensive to license, and well worth the investment at twice the price (or more). Good Luck! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Newton Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Dual monitors Hi al I know that many of you have the luxury of dual monitor setups and I believe that these work either (i) using the MB display adapter and a second adapter or (ii) without the MB display adapter but with a dual-head adapter ? Can anybody tell me whether it is possible to achieve a simlar setup with a laptop, using the built-in screen and a monitor attached to the external display port, or will the external display always be the same as what's on the built-in screen ? Paul Newton [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Dual monitors
XP and Win 2000 do the same. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Dual monitors Windows Vista will give you a choice of mirroring the laptop screen on the external, using the external only, or splitting the screen across both. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] UPS battery replacements... local? overnight?
I often get my replacement UPS batteries via Interstate Battery (the folks who provide automobile and truck batteries). You will need to determine what kind of battery you need (size, amps, capacity, etc.) If they have it in stock it will work. Also, they will take your old battery for free for recycling. I have had great luck using their replacement batteries, and the price is reasonable (no shipping fees). http://www.interstatebatteries.com Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil Hentzen Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] UPS battery replacements... local? overnight? I've got an APC Smart 1000 that started blinking madly today, signaling that it would like its battery replaced. As I'm going out of town tomorrow for the rest of the week, I 'spose I should replace it NOW. Favorable recommendations on (1) local places (a chain that might have a spot in Milwaukee), or... (2) an online place that can overnight a battery to me. Either of which you've had good luck with and would recommend? Thx, Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Dual monitors
so far from what people have said it should npt be a problem Should not be a problem, but since it is for you... heh-heh... Seriously, I was a bit concerned that I might dork something up, but it was so simple that in hindsight I was almost embarrassed at how timidly I approached the dual monitor world. I would suggest getting a dual port/head card for your desktop PCs, as opposed to a second card. And I do hope your laptop has the newer, fully featured dual monitor display port (mirror vs independent display). You will need to see what soft-keys are used on the laptop to cycle between internal, external and dual display. It is in the Windows video display options you will find how to use the 2nd display (I usually right click on the desktop, go to the last tab (settings), then turn on the Extend my Windows desktop to this monitor checkbox option. Piece of cake, man, nothing to it. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Newton Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Dual monitors Thanks to everybody who replied to my question - I'll try it out this evening.but so far from what people have said it should npt be a problem Paul Newton mrgmhale wrote: My 18 month old HP Pavilion laptop (Z2000) has an external VGA port that can be set up as either a mirror display for the primary panel, or for independent dual monitor display for disparate display purposes. The main LCD panel has a max resolution of 1024 x 768, but the external port if configured as an independent 2nd display dual monitor (non-mirrored) can go to 1280 x 1024. This is fairly typical of laptops with external VGA ports over the past 2-3 years, depending on the manufacturer and model. I normally use my 2nd laptop VGA port for independent display purposes with either an external 19 LCD monitor when visiting my parents (and setting up shop at their place), or with my BenQ DLP projector for presentation purposes. It does a great job for me, very nice feature. I have seen a device at CompUSA that will create a dual monitor output port via a USB connection (v-2.0 USB port I am certain), and is meant for use with laptops primarily. I did not pay much attention to it, other than a passing thought re: how slow it must be compared to a regular PCI or AGP video card. Then again, a slow 2nd monitor is better than no 2nd monitor at all. I have a few dual-head adapters on my tower PCs. They are simply video cards with 2 separate output ports, one port per monitor. Often one is a standard 15 pin VGA port, and the other is a Digital port. The digital port is easy enough to convert to a standard VGA 15 pin output via a Digital-to-VGA converter. I had to do that with every one of my dual-head VGA cards. I had tried using two separate video cards in my workstation PCs at first, one in a PCI slot, the other in a AGP slot. They worked almost well enough, but I would run into apparent driver conflicts, even if the brands were the same. I finally opted to simply go with single AGP slot video cards with dual ports (dual-head). Everything has been great since then. I went with 256 - 512 Mg cards, nothing smaller than 256Mg (128Mg per head/port). Note, however, I do not do any gaming. If you do gaming, or need really fast performance, you are going to pay through a bloody nose for high performance dual-head video cards. As an aside, I have used both nVidea and Radeon technology based cards. Both work well for my purposes. Finally, for some really nice control of the dual monitors I licensed UltraMon, which allows home users to use a single license for use with multiple PCs. I am able to get some really nice display options beyond those that Windows provides. It was inexpensive to license, and well worth the investment at twice the price (or more). Good Luck! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Newton Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Dual monitors Hi al I know that many of you have the luxury of dual monitor setups and I believe that these work either (i) using the MB display adapter and a second adapter or (ii) without the MB display adapter but with a dual-head adapter ? Can anybody tell me whether it is possible to achieve a simlar setup with a laptop, using the built-in screen and a monitor attached to the external display port, or will the external display always be the same as what's on the built-in screen ? Paul Newton [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman
RE: [NF] UPS battery replacements... local? overnight?
BTW, under the Interstate Battery web site you will find the battery style you need under the Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) section on the left. Doing a search on ADP Smart UPS 1000 yielded this page: http://www.interstatebatteries.com/estore/search.asp?N=0Ntk=SearchGroupNtt =apc+smart+ups+1000Nty=0D=apc+smart+ups+1000Ntx=mode+matchallanyDx=mode+ matchallanyNs=product+Type%7c0||Rank|1Nu=Part+Numbersearchtype=Ymscssid= A6LVEVC9FB2R9K0EE8RMVFWUJF0VDJM6 Lots of options. You will need to dig into the APC site to see which voltage and AH rating is correct. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whil Hentzen Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] UPS battery replacements... local? overnight? I've got an APC Smart 1000 that started blinking madly today, signaling that it would like its battery replaced. As I'm going out of town tomorrow for the rest of the week, I 'spose I should replace it NOW. Favorable recommendations on (1) local places (a chain that might have a spot in Milwaukee), or... (2) an online place that can overnight a battery to me. Either of which you've had good luck with and would recommend? Thx, Whil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Another one bites the dust
When the advertisers started to not place ads, and the magazine got thinner, it was just a matter of time. I did renew my subscription, but figured it would not be a full year before something happened. On a side note, this is the first year I did not renew my subscription to Doug's Stonefield Database Toolkit. I have faithfully renewed it annually since I think 2002, maybe 2001. I hated to not renew it, but I do not see creating new solutions with VFP, and have begun to do some migration already to PostGreSQL. As for the front end, my associate is using Java and browser scripting. I am not in full agreement with the browser scripting, and Java is not quite where I want to be. I plan to tear into Dabo in 2008 for new projects, and dig into Python as well. I do not plan to replace my VFP apps with newer Open Source tools, but no new projects are going to be done in VFP, which is really a shame. But, I do not want to get painted into a 64 bit OS corner in a few years either. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Another one bites the dust Just saw this on the Fox Wiki: FoxPro Advisor is no more. ATTENTION SUBSCRIBERS: Your current subscription to Advisor Guide to Microsoft Visual FoxPro has been upgraded to DataBased Advisor -- at no charge. (This publication has been discontinued.) Sign-in now to get more than 10,000 articles, tips and downloads. More info at http://advisor.com/adv/ztdbms-upgrade http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~FoxProAdvisor If it's any consolation, this isn't happening only to Fox. According to the upgrade page, the separate mags for Microsoft Access, Microsoft Office, Microsoft Visual FoxPro, Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft SharePoint, Microsoft Professional Development, Microsoft Visual Basic .NET, IBM Lotus Software, IBM WebSphere Software, IBM Workplace Software, Novell GroupWise, Business Collaboration, Corporate Compliance, E-Discovery, and Law Technology are all being discontinued. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Recommendation for disk image software (Acronis, Norton Ghost, other) RTT's R_DriveImage alternative to Acronis for server OS
Greetings All! I am about at the end of a 3 week journey to LA, a visit mainly meant to help my parents and my aunt (long story, nothing good). I had hoped to see some friends and associates, but despite the 3 week stay I only was able to see my clients this past week, everything else was focused on family matters. Anyway, regarding the question about disk imaging, I use Norton Ghost on most of my workstations, and Norton's Save Restore (based on Ghost technology) for the PC I use to manage my Outlook eMail/Contact/Calendar app. For my Servers I use RTT's R_DriveImage ($45 per machine, works on Windows client and server based platforms!). If you want to schedule automatic imaging, all 3 apps will handle that. I really like R_DriveImage for Server class OS use (Win NT4/2000/2004 Server), and would be tempted to use it for all my workstations as well, other than the fact I had already licensed Ghost for my workstations. The only downside with R_DriveImage (which I hope is resolved with an upgrade) is the inability to recover a SATA HDD from a boot CD directly, lack of drivers I think. I get around this by using a separate Win 2003 Server PC to recover an image to a HDD hung as a non-boot HDD, then swap it into the Server I needed to do the recovery for. No big deal if a person has a lot of PCs to use, but for a field repair it could be disastrous. A major plus is the R_DriveImage boot CD will allow a person to create an image without installing the app on a particular PC - whereas Ghost stopped doing that after Norton purchased the PowerQuest DriveImage app and blended it with their Ghost app. I do, as an aside, use my older PowerQuest DriveImage (pre-Norton) once in a while as an imaging utility once in a while for PCs brought to me for malware cleanup. I do not often do that kind of work any longer, but it is a nice tool to use. Oh, did I mention that RTT R-DriveImage is only $45 and it works with Win Server as well as workstation platforms? I know, I did mention it, but I wanted to make certain nobody goes out and drops a lot of wampum on more expensive options unless there is a compelling reason to do so. Also, you have to download R_DriveImage (www.r-tt.com), unless they have recently gone retail with their app. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Greene Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Recommendation for disk image software (Acronis, Norton Ghost,other) Looking for recommendations on a software package to image a few desktops and servers. Acronis (www.acronis.com) has a variety of imaging applications that look good. There's also Norton Ghost which I used years ago ... but I've heard mixed reviews regarding recent versions of this product. And I have not had good customer service experiences with Symantec products. Suggestions? Thanks! Malcolm [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Advice for synchronizing server and laptop folders
Someone on this list recommended this to me a while back. I've been using it for several months and it works perfectly. I do something like you want to do. I backup my development machine to a server and synchronize my laptop with the server. That was me, and I am glad you like using it. I use SyncBack in conjunction with my weekly automated drive imaging as an important part of my data back routine. If you use SyncBack for personally owned (non-business) PCs you can use one license for up to 5 PCs. I licensed one app per PC/Server since most of my machines are used for business although located in my home. For the price there was no sense in slicing the license agreement hair. These folks have done a great job with their app. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Advice for synchronizing server and laptop folders http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/syncback-hub.html Someone on this list recommended this to me a while back. I've been using it for several months and it works perfectly. I do something like you want to do. I backup my development machine to a server and synchronize my laptop with the server. Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 Joe Yoder wrote: I am in the process of setting up parallel VFP folder structures on my server and laptop. The plan is to have synchronization happen automatically. Having the data on the server will mean that it gets backed up every day and is accessible when I am away from my laptop. I have never used the Synchronization Manager in XP. Does anyone have synchronization experience or advise to share? TIA - Joe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: VFP Job in Paradise
My dad, apparently, caved. That is not how I see it. He was apparently working for some self-serving ass-hole, and had to do what was needed to continue to provide for his family. Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots who use their apparent positions of authority to bully their way through countless subordinates. Hell should have a special place for jerks like that. We may not like it, but our society, and others, always seem to allow (even encourage) such poor behavior. Were it my father I would be proud of the fact he saw to it he took care of his family first, even at the expense of some pride. I am certain he later was able to witness the undoing of that miserable excuse of a wretched person. There are, on occasion, times when a person is pushed by a corporate boss/bully, and that person refuses to bend. I have done that, and put my ability to provide for my young children at risk. I got away with it many times, and at one point it even catapulted me into my current self-employment situation along with a 24 month income severance check just to leave a corporation I worked for quietly. I got lucky, but in hindsight I was not wise in taking such gambles. Then again, things have been pretty good overall - although this nerve injury since last January has certainly put a kink in things. Thanks for sharing that slice of your life, and of your father's. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VFP Job in Paradise What you do in private can also reflect on the company. If you want to mash your brains then as said thats up to you. But I would never employ a drug user. At least heavy drugs. As for fire me if I suck, its a bit late if you invest in training be it expense or time. So if an employee wanted to join an evangelical church, and you considered that a poor reflection on your company, you could fire them, even if they confined their religious activities to their private time? What if they played in a rock band, and you didn't like their music? Or what if they went to a protest rally on a weekend, and you didn't support the cause? Many years ago, my dad was a young man working for a very large US corporation. There was a debate in the local school district over whether the school should have a swimming pool. My dad, very conservative, was opposed to it and began publicly organizing people against it. His boss, who was for the pool, got wind of it and told him to knock it off or he'd lose his job. My dad, apparently, caved. I bet that kind of thing has been going on all the time, for decades. My dad is also anti-union--but a union could and would have prevented that scenario. Employers have the ability to pull all kinds of garbage. Employees, though they may complain about it on the Internet, have, in comparison, very little ability to prevent them from doing it--unless they organize. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft software just doesn't add up
Works fine in Excel 2000 g. You know, the version M$ had to remove from the market and MSDN distributions because of the Java lawsuit they lost... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Crozier Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Microsoft software just doesn't add up To try it for yourself, open up Excel 2007 and multiply 850 by 77.1. If you're unfamiliar with performing calculations in Excel, you'd enter the following into a cell: =850*77.1 Once you do that, you'll discover the answer according to Excel 2007 is 100,000. But now get out a calculator or a piece of paper and pencil and do the same calculation and you'll find that the answer is really 65,535. http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/25/serious-excel-multiplication-bu g-exposed/ or http://tinyurl.com/384qf9 Dave Crozier [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Storage facility computers and software
I hate to say it, but some folks just do not deserve to be saved, or to have folks as concerned as you are for their own good. That said, about all you can do is share some horror stories (I bet you already have), and protect them the best you can...If you have read any of my previous eMails to ProFox re: the data backup strategies I use (bullet-proof and practical) you would be aware it is more important than any other single aspect of a computing solution. But, I have the benefit of having been able to automate everything, so nobody is at risk unless they begin to turn off machines overnight g... Ciao! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lou Syracuse Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Storage facility computers and software I believe it; I've seen it with some of our studios. Our new POS software was originally designed to back up the MSDE database every night as part of the closing procedure (A zipped copy on a USB drive and a copy on the local hard drive). Takes about 3 minutes, except on Friday when we run some database maintenance routines which add a few minutes. Then we received complaints that it took too long, and they wanted to decide if they wanted to back up when they open or when they close. We can't make it much simpler. We help them save the drive letter for their USB drive when we set the system up, all they have to do is put it in the computer and click the mouse 3 times...But the horror-stories I could tell you of those who just click [Cancel] and go on about their merry way. Some that have lost data before STILL don't get the message. No excuse... -Original Message- From: Paul McNett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You wouldn't believe the number of small businesses I've dealt with in my neck of the woods (not that far from Silicon Valley) that rely completely on their IT for their business, yet have no redundancy, backup, or desire to budget for those things. They just don't want to think about it, or they don't think they can afford it. They purchase new computers from Dell, and then install the off-the-shelf software they need, and run different versions of such software on the same network, and just ignore signs of trouble when they occur, or if they can't ignore the signs of trouble they call in help to fix the symptom, but never want to think about making a more reliable foundation. Unbelievable. Lucky for them hard drives are as reliable as they are these days. But every computer problem costs them real $$$ in lost/unhappy customers, time and money spent fixing it, etc. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of Merle Norman Cosmetics or The Nethercutt Collection. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL 8.0, 8.1 on Windows End-of-Life]
Thank you Leland. Always nice to have someone else watching my blind side g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leland F. Jackson Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL 8.0, 8.1 on Windows End-of-Life] Here is a message on interest from PostgreSQL for users that are running PostgreSQL under windows: #--- Original Message Subject: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL 8.0, 8.1 on Windows End-of-Life Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:03:38 +0100 From: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Following the release of PostgreSQL 8.3 later this year, PostgreSQL 8.1.x and 8.0.x will cease to be officially supported on Windows. This means that no further binary releases will be produced, and no Windows specific bug fixes will be applied. Users of PostgreSQL 8.0 and 8.1 on Windows should begin planning an upgrade to version 8.2 or 8.3 soon. The PostgreSQL Global Development Group regrets the necessity of dropping support for these releases. PostgreSQL 8.0 was the first release to natively support Windows, and since then a number of potentially serious issues have been fixed in later releases that are simply not technically practical to back port. PostgreSQL 8.2 and above are considered mature and will enjoy the same lifetime on Windows as on all other platforms. -- Dave Page PostgreSQL Core Team ---(end of broadcast)--- -To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] #--- Regards, LelandJ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF} Comment on Microsoft
So, Dave, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel about SharePoint g? Actually, my hat is off to Dave, as he has been plugging relentlessly forward looking for ever more ways to get to, and harness, a very powerful set of data (if I do say so myself) for his auto dealership organization. I wish I had even half the time available he has spent in his pursuits. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF} Comment on Microsoft Expression Studio: An attempt to combine Frontpage with Visual Studio. It took weeks, but I did get the hang of it and it is very powerful for website creation. Honestly though, Frontpage by itself ( despite all its warts ) was a better product. I abandoned development inside Expression Studio once I realized I could do the same work 100 times faster in Frontpage. Sharepoint Server: I discovered ( once I got past the complete nightmare of figuring out how to set it up despite the hole-filled instructions ) that this platform is really powerful but at the same time so completely overburdened with unnecessary permissions and security that I was spending most of my time turning 'safety' features off in order to see results because I did not use their recommended approaches 100% of the time. For instance, connecting to and retrieving data from a VFP dbc ( instead of a MS SQL server ) added at least 15 steps to go through and opened up dozens of small irritations that I'd have to stop, figure out and fix before moving forward. Powerful? Yes. Flexible? Not at all. For the money MS charges, they could try a lot harder to remember that not everyone has upgraded everything to the newest possible versions of everything. I really liked Sharepoint, but between the half-assed documentation and the extremely narrow path they set it just wasn't worth the time I was investing in it. A shame, really. David Smith Systems Administrator Doan Family of Dealerships (585) 352-6600 ext.1730 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garrett Fitzgerald Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF} Comment on Microsoft On 9/18/07, Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you gurus know how to use any of these? When I say use I mean deploy on a customer site. Microsoft Team Foundation Server Microsoft Expression Studio Microsoft Business Scorecard Manager Microsoft Office InfoPath Microsoft Office Groove Microsoft Office Project Portfolio Server Microsoft Office SharePoint Server Microsoft Office InterConnect Microsoft BizTalk Microsoft Commerce Server Developer Edition Microsoft Connected Services Framework Microsoft Exchange Server Microsoft Host Integration Server Microsoft Identity Integration Server Microsoft Live Communications Microsoft Office OneNote Microsoft BizTalk Server Microsoft Portal Service Microsoft MOM Speech Server Microsoft SMS Server Microsoft ISA Server Microsoft Access ;^) About the only thing there I have any experience with installing is Sharepoint Server, and that was on my own machine. I've used Groove in the field before Microsoft bought it, but couldn't get the guy I was working with to buy into it, so that kind of died on the vine. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: Punished (financially) for choosing WinXP pro when orderingGateway laptop
3) People are willing to pay more for XP. I would pay more for XP. Not one auto manufacturer I deal with via my clients have begun to require Vista. Rather, none of them provide support for any client who is using Vista for their factory communications processes. Ditto for another medical center client of mine, their vendors have flat out told their clients to not use Vista, and not to plan on being able to run their apps under Vista for a few months yet. In fairness, this also happened when XP hit the streets. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Punished (financially) for choosing WinXP pro when orderingGateway laptop On Sep 19, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Michael J. Babcock, MCP wrote: They're punishing me (price-wise) for choosing the old operating system: http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com/images/gateway_xp_extra.png What sense does that make?!? Are they saying that Vista is a downgrade from the old XP? There are 3 reasons that come to mind: 1) They are being paid by Microsoft to push Vista; either it costs them less for Vista, or they get incentives to charge more for XP 2) They have a standard way of creating their machines; anything non- standard, such as XP, costs more to create. 3) People are willing to pay more for XP. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] M$ loses EU appeal
Any bets on when they pay the fine, if ever? If they pay at all I bet it will be in discount coupons for future M$ purchases. I also bet if the attorneys who pressed this case got paid the same way consumers did they would see to it consumers got real cash back, not M$ bucks. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] M$ loses EU appeal On Monday 17 September 2007 18:09, MB Software Solutions wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_hi_te/eu_microsoft Hi Michael! Any bets on when they pay the fine, if ever? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft starts a Get the Facts campaign...against itself
Have you ever tried Debian? 0$ For Windows-ishy desktop you don't need a 'version' you need a desktop. Have you tried KDE? Besides, you have windows managers for all tastes and configurations. In my particular case I needed to select between Red Hat and Suse for a specific application I want to use for remote management (good reasons for it). Between those 2 I opted for Suse, also for some reasons I felt were good in my particular case. Linspire was an early Linux experience for me, and I use that for the PCs I provided to my father and father-in-law, as they always seemed to be getting into certain areas that caused their Windows OS to become heavily laden with spyware and adware g. Not a single problem wince going to Linspire. I may move them to a Linux flavor other than Linspire. Under Linspire I think they are using KDE, pretty sure. Whether that ot Gnome, it is doing the job needed for them, and for me! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft starts a Get the Facts campaign...against itself mrgmhale wrote: Gawd, what a hoot! A very interesting article, no doubt. Imagine the kind of savings you could get if you just stopped using Windows altogether! Few to no security issues. Less administration. Etc. Well, even Linux ain't totally free, of course. And it can require pretty heavy resources for a Windows-ishy desktop version. I would spend far less ($0, for the time being) on AntiVirus subscriptions, time spent cleaning things up, etc. The AntiVirus savings would be eaten up in a Linux maintenance subscription for some versions (I have been working with Novell Suse Linux Server, and love it so far, but it has a pretty heavy annual subscription for updates and patches. Linspire gold support is $50/year, about the price of AntiVirus annually.) Have you ever tried Debian? 0$ For Windows-ishy desktop you don't need a 'version' you need a desktop. Have you tried KDE? Besides, you have windows managers for all tastes and configurations. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft starts a Get the Facts campaign...against itself
Gawd, what a hoot! A very interesting article, no doubt. Imagine the kind of savings you could get if you just stopped using Windows altogether! Few to no security issues. Less administration. Etc. Well, even Linux ain't totally free, of course. And it can require pretty heavy resources for a Windows-ishy desktop version. I would spend far less ($0, for the time being) on AntiVirus subscriptions, time spent cleaning things up, etc. The AntiVirus savings would be eaten up in a Linux maintenance subscription for some versions (I have been working with Novell Suse Linux Server, and love it so far, but it has a pretty heavy annual subscription for updates and patches. Linspire gold support is $50/year, about the price of AntiVirus annually.) But the real savings would be the peace of mind in knowing I would not have to be looking over my shoulder all the time, waiting for some attack to occur as with Win2k, XP or Win2k3 Server. I really can't argue reliability and stability any longer. Ever since Win2k SP4 I have very little to gripe about, as opposed to Win9x/Me. Perhaps the biggest issue for me is when M$ goes to 64 bit across the board, and VFP is not invited along for the ride. If I am going to have to switch architectural platforms anyway, I am going to get off the merry-go-round on my schedule and pretty much more under my terms and conditions. Linux, PostgreSQL, Python, Dabo, WINE, VMWare and OpenOffice is where I am heading, at least wherever I can. If client prefer to, or are required to, stay in Windows desktops, fine. I will be doing Linux on their servers for my stuff. When I got burned on the Win2k Server CAL PLUS Terminal Server CAL license costs I really got miffed (can you tell?). M$ did more in that underhanded (license is free for 180 days, then Gotcha!) greed grab to lose me than any other move it wever made. By the way, the study claims that switching to Vista saves on hardware costs. How could this possibly be, when everything I have ever read on Vista is that it is a resource hog? You spend more on hardware with Vista, not less. Yeah, but you have to replace that old P4 Dual-Core 3Ghz, 2Gb RAM PC someday, don't you? heh-heh... Clearly, we will see more Vista machines rolling out after M$ stops making XP available to PC builders, and folks start to roll off their business PCs at end of lease, or home users have to replace machines that will eventually become outdated. The more I work with Linux the more I want to migrate all I can from a Windows Host platform to Linux, and only run Windows apps that I must under WINE or VMWare (free version). I have so much to learn still in the World Of Linux, but so far it is not all that difficult. All my workstations already have 2Gb RAM, and 2800Mhz CPUs or better. So what the heck? As for Fox under Linux, I am going to try to get that to work (again, as Ed already did this for a project he worked on with me a few years ago), and let M$ come after me if they think it is worth their while. They won;t do so much as chase down folks I reported as serious pirates, so why would they bother with me? Worst case is I end up licensing a M$ OS, and run the app under Linux/WINE anyway. All they want is the money. All I want for myself and my clients is more freedom at less cost. As I see it M$ has not lost me, they have been pushing me away as Linux has been inviting me to come on over and play again instead of working so hard all the time. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Microsoft starts a Get the Facts campaign...against itself Over at the cnet blogs, Matt Asay writes: You've got to hand it to Microsoft. It hates ANYTHING and ANYONE that gets in its way of selling its software... Including, apparently, itself... In a very funny turn of events, Microsoft is out preaching to the industry that XP is a bloated expense hog, while svelte Vista will cure world hunger (or, at least, cost less),... Anyway, Microsoft must really be hurting if it has to resort to beating up on its most stable product in years. It's clearly desperate to get people to move off XP (you know, the Windows OS that actually has hardware/peripheral support, a lot of software written for it, needs a lighter hardware platform, etc.). Maybe the open-source crowd should just wait for Microsoft to beat itself into oblivion. Source:: http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9773662-16.html?part=rsstag=fe edsubj=TheOpenRoad or: http://tinyurl.com/yrue24 -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable
RE: [NF] Recommendations for Norton AntiVirus removal?
The move to NAV 2007 vs staying with NAV2006 was indeed the issue, but with Win2k it is not a viable option. Hence th need to move to different app, or update the signature file subscription. The new retail NAV2006 from buycheapsoftware.com, even with shipping, is less than a renewal from Symantec. Re: 2006 vs 2007 (much NAV2008 that is now out), NAV2006 is a fine version to stay on. NAV2007 is a little simpler looking, until one needs to get into the inner workings to set certain options that are not as obvious to find. And, NAV2007 is supposedly a bit better at intercepting Spyware than 2006. I have used both in places where SAV Corporate is not used, and both do a fine job. http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail.jsp?blogid=nis2007betaprofileid= laura_garcia-manrique http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-security-and-firewall/norton-antivirus-2007 /4505-3667_7-32069537.html?tag=b_readfull (there are references to 2006 and prior versions vs 2007) Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Norton AntiVirus removal? On Sep 3, 2007, at 12:17 PM, mrgmhale wrote: Bill is correct. You can still get NAV 2006 at www.buycheapsoftware.com, But is the level of protection in 2006 the same as 2007? Isn't the issue that he already has 2006, and needs to upgrade to 2007 to remain fully protected? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Recommendations for Norton AntiVirus removal?
It is a shame that even Win2k is now being moved aside in favor of XP and even Vista OS platforms for AV protection software. But, then again, there is not much market demand for Win ME/98se/98/95/3.x/DOS any longer. I am not as familiar with other AV software as I am with Symantec/Norton, likely because I am a Symantec user (no flame-mail please, set up correctly they do a great job). Sometimes other products will edge Norton/Symantec out in their side-by-side tests, but when edged out it is not by much. So, if remaining in 2006 is not desirable (I do not think it is unsafe, just not as many features to smooth out the interface, and some additional Malware capabilities), the options are to move to a different OS (XP, Vista, Linux g), or move to a different product that does support Win2k. This is not the first time we have been trapped as a group by OS migration simply because vendors do not want t, or can't afford to, support older technologies. It is a shame as I find Win2k to be a still reliable platform, although with XP SP1/2, and beefier RAM (2Gb), I have been using mostly XP platforms since last year. I have one Win2k Pro PC I still develop on, and even now I am pondering moving it to XP, and leaving the Win2k OS use to the world of VPCs for performance and compatibility testing. I never thought that would happen so soon. The next big move is when Vista becomes so mainstream that I need to migrate to that platform. By the time M$ goes all 64 bit I hope to be in Linux-Dabo-Python World g, using VMWare for the remaining Windows apps I must still run. I have already begun my initial movements in that direction. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Recommendations for Norton AntiVirus removal? On Sep 3, 2007, at 12:59 PM, mrgmhale wrote: Re: 2006 vs 2007 (much NAV2008 that is now out), NAV2006 is a fine version to stay on. NAV2007 is a little simpler looking, until one needs to get into the inner workings to set certain options that are not as obvious to find. And, NAV2007 is supposedly a bit better at intercepting Spyware than 2006. I have used both in places where SAV Corporate is not used, and both do a fine job. The point is this: unless 2006 can be kept current with all necessary malware protection, staying with an outdated (and hence dangerous) version is not an option. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: OT]Worst Nigerian Scam letter I ever received
Check out www.419eater.com for some fun scam baiter stories. Funny as hell what some of these scammers will do just to scam money from their supposed victims. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT]Worst Nigerian Scam letter I ever received I'll send her some counterfeit money. LOL I'm faxing her a hundred dollars. Larry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problemsgalore
Pkzip had a free one. Why use winzip ? I use WinZip Pro (v-10.0+) for its true encryption with compression (64 or 128 bit, I use 64 bit),and for its Command Line interface that can be used to automated Zip/Unzip (with or without encryption). WinZip Pro's encryption is not just a simple password protection feature that can be easily cracked, but a very robust offering of several encryption techniques. Since I send receive files containing customer and sales data between my ftp server and client machinery, and ftp packets are sent in Clear Text, even with standard Zip compression the transfers are vulnerable to being snagged by a 3rd party while in transit. By encrypting and compressing the files, even if they are snagged the snagger will never get into the actual usable form of the file contents. This is done not only because it is the right way to treat client data, but because it is now required by Federal law to protect consumer data that is not otherwise publicy available. I do not know if PKZip ever went as far as providing true encryption with their product or not, as once I cut to WinZip for those two features I standardized my distributions on that Zip app. Once I standardized I never looked back. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problemsgalore Pkzip had a free one. Why use winzip ? Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Rick Schummer wrote: My favorite example of this is the most obvious one: WinZip. I can't Wow...great example. WinZip would be the best example I could think of, too. And then I recall unsavory folks distributing the CHMs of HWP books too. Not cool. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 25/08/2007 17:00 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
If you were Microsoft and could prove that the box builder was doing this, send your lawyers after him. No argument there. But this is not the case. In two cases I actually called the M$ AntiPiracy line. One case was where a former lawyer (barred for multiple DUI convictions and lying in court with client cases) in the Rochester, NY, area got into the PC support and the Workstation Server building business. He would license MSDN, then use MSDN licenses to load up the OS and Apps, then charge the End User for the OS and software. I saw him do this time and a again with a client of mine when I first came out to Rochester. I asked him how he was able to install multiple OS and Apps on machinery he built with the same Key Code. That is when he told me he used MSDN, and he was entitled to do so. I advised him MSDN (back then) was for up to 10 machines, and only machines used for development, not used for production. He told me he was an attorney by trade, and knew the law, and what he was doing was legal, even if M$ said it wasn't (huh?, okay...). What irked me was his cost basis was very low on a per PC/Server basis for the software, and he was charging full retail to the End Users. So, yes, I called M$ to rat him out as I felt what he was doing was truly abusive, and unfair to a friend of mine who was proposing PCs with legally licensed M$ software, and kept getting undercut by about $800 per PC. What do you think M$'s response was? Uh, okay, we will look into it. I asked the M$ rep when I could expect to hear anything, and also wanted to make certain my tip was going to remain anonymous. He told me it would be kept anonymous, but it would likely not matter anyway as it was doubtful M$ was going to do anything for such a small problem as what I had reported! Apparently they are more focused on larger institutions where the punitive settlement would make it both worth their while and wildly profitable with forced licensing for past use on top of the punitive monies paid out. I had heard rumors of that being the prevalent attitude over the previous years, but I finally hit that attitude head on. I was disgusted. There is also another business in the Rochester area where the owner was bragging to an employee (who later got fired) that he had made copies of Win2k, and Office 2000, and had installed copies on every PC of his (home and business), and had been making copies for some business associates to use throughout the country. In his business alone he had no less than 40 PCs, and at least one Server. The guy is known for running his operation in a bent way (surprise, surprise), and had asked my friend to do some things that were clearly illegal and in flagrant violation of his franchise agreement (distributing manufacturer parts imaging data to independent 3rd party parts suppliers). She refused, and got fired on the spot when she told him that what he asked her to do was illegal, that he knew it, then expounded on how his copying of M$ software was also clearly illegal, and he really ought to properly license all that before someone runs him in. When she came to me looking for a reference, I asked why she got canned. When she told me I gave her the M$ AntiPiracy #, then we called together. Amazingly I got much the same answer as before, not worth their while, do not expect anything to come of it. So, I am no longer looking to help companies enforce their license fee requirements beyond advising clients of mine of what they should be doing. In all my contracts I have a paragraph that covers the responsibility my clients have when it comes to properly licensing software, where to generally find such license requirements, and that they agree to make a good faith effort to remain properly licensed with all software, not just what I am bringing to them and using on their machines for my processing. If ever a software company comes after anyone I do business with I now have a document that clearly shows where I had covered that with them, so nobody can implicate me in any possible improper licensing activity. Beyond that I now follow the , Don't Ask, Don't Tell line of thinking. I will advise and suggest, but it stops there. It just is not appreciated nor worth my effort, and with WGA it really is no longer needed for M$ software. I do not like what M$ has done with WGA, but they have pulled in the low hanging fruit that was previously not profitable enough to rightfully gather up. That they end up impacting those of us that do try to remain properly licensed is a shame, and just one more reason for me to keep migrating to an environment where I do not have to deal with their model. They will need to gather the small fry via WGA, because I sense there is an exodus underway of folks looking for ways to cut M$ out of the software picture in part because of how they have been treating their legitimate customers. Treat me like I may be a thief, and by golly I will go
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
If they're going to do WGA, they should at least make sure it works correctly. Agreed. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Johnson Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore Ed Leafe wrote: On Aug 26, 2007, at 12:03 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote: Have you ever been a victim of a crime Ted? Someone break into your car, home, apt, business, or your identity? When it happens to you don't think that It's alright. Sorry but you feel the opposite, or at least I did. Funny that you're using the 'crime' argument while talking about a company that has single-handedly had to pay more in settlements for them breaking intellectual property laws than all other companies combined. A better analogy would be a thief who uses his knowledge of crime to protect his stolen goods from being re-stolen. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com I have nothing against WGA in concept, but I have a couple of problems with it in implementation. I posted this a couple of months ago. I access a customer through Citrix and my customer does a check of my computer to make sure I have all of the updates, a firewall running, etc. One Wednesday they detected that I had not run a critical update from Microsoft even though I had automatic updates turned on; not to run, but download and notify me that they need installing. So I went to manually install the updates and it turned out to be WGA. They marked the WGA check as a critical update! Guess what else? My MDSN copy of XP was identified as Not Genuine. I ran WGA three times and on the third time it identified my copy as genuine. After over an hour of working on this update, I finally got in to resolve my customer's payroll issue. If they're going to do WGA, they should at least make sure it works correctly. Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
C'mon, all you morally upright citizens! Let's see you defend this actual theft of time. The problem as I see it is it is undefensible by the individual users in practical terms, wrong as it is for us to get hit like this. I wonder when the first class action lawsuit is going to come down on behalf of M$ users trapped in this WGA problem, with the damage harm being based on lost productivity. Of course the settlement will cause M$ to kick out attorney fees for the plaintiffs, and for all WGA End Users (that can prove they were affected? g) there will be M$ discounts on future M$ software and products. Same old crap, where the only winners will be the attorneys who agree to such a sttlement. I wonder if they would be so agreeable if their fees were also paid in M$ discounts g... Yeah, better to vote with my wallet, and pull as much as I can away from the M$ arena. It is not punitive on my part, it just does not make sense for me to perpetuate their bad behavior when I am adversely impacted without reasonable cause. Suspecting I may be a thief, or identifying me incorrectly as a thief and punishing me by removing my ability to use my machinery by crippling of my properly licensed OS is flat wrong. Bad business model, bad ethically, and such bad behavior ought not be rewarded. If WGA worked properly, that would be a different story. I feel M$ ought to be able to take measures to help ensure they are getting their revenues due them. Just leave me out of the dog fight when I am an innocent traveler trying to get through my destination. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problems galore On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: One Wednesday they detected that I had not run a critical update from Microsoft even though I had automatic updates turned on; not to run, but download and notify me that they need installing. So I went to manually install the updates and it turned out to be WGA. They marked the WGA check as a critical update! Guess what else? My MDSN copy of XP was identified as Not Genuine. I ran WGA three times and on the third time it identified my copy as genuine. After over an hour of working on this update, I finally got in to resolve my customer's payroll issue. And what part of this don't you think is reasonable? How much did Microsoft pay you for your wasted time? Everyone here who is defending WGA seems to be so morally outraged at the concept of stealing a non-exhaustible resource, so I can only imagine their outrage at Microsoft stealing your time, which is certainly not unlimited. C'mon, all you morally upright citizens! Let's see you defend this actual theft of time. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problemsgalore
The pkzip I have says normal or strong encyption. I don’t know how strong. Allen It is probably fine, but I happened to land on WinZip Pro, and have opted to stay with it for consistency sake when I automated my script and batch file on-the-fly builds (table-centric design). If what you have works for your purposes, no sense in changing. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problemsgalore The pkzip I have says normal or strong encyption. I don’t know how strong. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale I do not know if PKZip ever went as far as providing true encryption with their product or not, as once I cut to WinZip for those two features I standardized my distributions on that Zip app. Once I standardized I never looked back. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 26/08/2007 21:34 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problemsgalore
Hmmm, Vista eh? I suppose I ought to test WinZip Pro v-11.0 on it g. I have one Dual Boot Win2k Pro/Vista Ultimate PC, and rarely boot into Vista. I have pretty good control so far over what OS is installed on the machines I use for my data processing, but that will slowly come to and end. I think WinZip is the only hting I have not tested in Vista yet. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problemsgalore Actually that was not the point. My point was those people who don’t want to pay for winzip maybe should use something free that works. Rather than sit there with the nag screen. I agree you point, its why I used csmail and not the free blat. Mind you blat is still going and it looks like csmail is not as I don’t get replies to the question of why it does not work on vista. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: 27 August 2007 16:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problemsgalore The pkzip I have says normal or strong encyption. I don’t know how strong. Allen It is probably fine, but I happened to land on WinZip Pro, and have opted to stay with it for consistency sake when I automated my script and batch file on-the-fly builds (table-centric design). If what you have works for your purposes, no sense in changing. Gil No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 26/08/2007 21:34 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problemsgalore
Not only PkZip, you also have 7Zip (the one I use) and many others. And if you want secure transfer, then use secure transfer (sftp, ssh, or whatever). From the last time I looked into sftp it seemed there was no set standard between ftp Servers for sftp. Everyone I looked at had their own flavor. I use Serv-U-ftp Server, and to use sftp I had to license hteir Voyager ftp Client. I tested with ws-ftp Pro with their sftp, and it would not connect with serv-U-ftp. I could get Voyager to connect, usually, but it also proved unreliable. I nromally create an ftp script file on-the-fly for my remote machinery to send/receive files between their location and my ftp Server. I shell into Command Prompt (DOS) and use that to effect the transfer as opposed to requiring my clients to license ftp client software just for me, when the ftp shell works fine. Of course, ftp Shell will not handle sftp, thus the WinZip with Encryption. I need to Zip the files anyway, so adding the encryption feature just makes sense for my envrionment. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ricardo Araoz Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problemsgalore mrgmhale wrote: Pkzip had a free one. Why use winzip ? I use WinZip Pro (v-10.0+) for its true encryption with compression (64 or 128 bit, I use 64 bit),and for its Command Line interface that can be used to automated Zip/Unzip (with or without encryption). WinZip Pro's encryption is not just a simple password protection feature that can be easily cracked, but a very robust offering of several encryption techniques. Since I send receive files containing customer and sales data between my ftp server and client machinery, and ftp packets are sent in Clear Text, even with standard Zip compression the transfers are vulnerable to being snagged by a 3rd party while in transit. By encrypting and compressing the files, even if they are snagged the snagger will never get into the actual usable form of the file contents. This is done not only because it is the right way to treat client data, but because it is now required by Federal law to protect consumer data that is not otherwise publicy available. Not only PkZip, you also have 7Zip (the one I use) and many others. And if you want secure transfer, then use secure transfer (sftp, ssh, or whatever). I do not know if PKZip ever went as far as providing true encryption with their product or not, as once I cut to WinZip for those two features I standardized my distributions on that Zip app. Once I standardized I never looked back. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage,problemsgalore Pkzip had a free one. Why use winzip ? Allen [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore
One example of a company charging a license in a practical manner is 2BrightSparks (SyncBack). It does an incredible job of performing file backups, uses VSS on XP and 2003 server (where VSS criteria are met), and the license is only $30. But wait, there's more! For home users you can use the software on up to 5 PCs, whereas business users are expected to pay the more than reasonable $30 license for each business PC it is used on. They have a great product, provide good on-line support, charge a reasonable fee, and cut slack to folks who use the product for personal use. I would feel so very guilty were I to try to take overt advantage of such a reasonable license. In my case I use my PCs for personal and business use. Where should I fall? I take no chances, and paid the $30/PC. I largely did this because I do use the PCs for business, and that is the license fee structure. But I also did it as a reward to a company that has a great pricing model - fair balanced. I feel their app would be cheap at twice the price, frankly. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Windows Genuine Advantage suffers worldwide outage, problems galore Rick Schummer wrote: My favorite example of this is the most obvious one: WinZip. I can't tell you how many developers I have worked with over the years start up WinZip and it prompts with the number of days since it was installed and where to go pay for a license. $30 is cheap and most people cannot live without a tool like it because we all use ZIP files. Stealing and Stoopid, by people who should know better. Wow...great example. WinZip would be the best example I could think of, too. And then I recall unsavory folks distributing the CHMs of HWP books too. Not cool. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Well. I did it, at long last
Join the ProLinux mailing list and don't hesitate to ask questions! Yeah, I will do that likely this week. First I need to make certain the new 840 Server, and the remaining sc420 and sc430 Dell Servers are being backed up correctly, along with all the Win2k and WinXP client PCs. After that the sc420 (I have 2 sc420 Dell Servers, one sc430 and now the 840 as well) that is now running Linux will start getting my attention, as will installing PostgreSQL and pcAnywhere v-12 (v-11.5+ is now multi-platform capable, hosts in either Red Hat or SUSE Linux, and even some newer Mac O/S platforms!). Loyalty only goes so far. Re: Loyalty only going so far, my loyalty has always been to my clients and the prospects on my target market. I strive to bring them far more recognizeable and measureable value than they pay me each and every day. As I see it, if I can use a DMS or O/S that is free of license and/or connectivity fees, then I can offer more value to my market. If I had no option but to move to a non-Open Source RDMS, with an attached fee, as opposed to staying with VFP, I would be in a pretty tough spot. One of the many things I love about VFP is being able to deploy its capabilities in a compiled form with no further license fees for M$ from me or my clients (and its stability, speed and slick development interface, etc...). Luckily Linux and PostgreSQL are available, and are decent unto themselves, and not likely to go away or see any kind of significant price bump (free * 150% increase still equals free, heh-heh). The Novell vs SCO (M$) court result the other day sure helped my outlook as well g. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Well. I did it, at long last On 8/19/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well... I guess that makes me guilt of Cut Run, eh? Not exactly. You must know, grasshopper, when it's time for you to go. Loyalty only goes so far. Ed Leafe and Paul McNett and Whil Hentzen are doing what's right for their businesses and their customers. It sounds like those are your considerations, too. The more you know, the better you can serve your customers. Join the ProLinux mailing list and don't hesitate to ask questions! -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Well. I did it, at long last
He could just post his Linux stuff on [NF], too. I could, with the advantage that folks who do not go to ProLinux could see some Linux related activity in the ProFox arena, and perhaps be encouraged to consider a migration path themselves, if they are in a situation where it makes sense. I truly wish I could have just stayed in a VFP/Windows environment in a cost effective manner. Had we not seen so much [NF] info in ProFox on Linux and alternate RDMS offerings that are very cost effective I may not have known to look at Open Source as a viable path to consider. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Well. I did it, at long last On Sunday 19 August 2007 21:53, Ted Roche wrote: On 8/19/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well... I guess that makes me guilt of Cut Run, eh? Not exactly. You must know, grasshopper, when it's time for you to go. Loyalty only goes so far. Ed Leafe and Paul McNett and Whil Hentzen are doing what's right for their businesses and their customers. It sounds like those are your considerations, too. The more you know, the better you can serve your customers. Join the ProLinux mailing list and don't hesitate to ask questions! Hi Ted! He could just post his Linux stuff on [NF], too. There is almost as much Linux here as there. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Well. I did it, at long last
Woo-Hoo! Thanks, Kevin! I will take a look at that later this week. I am certain it will be of help. Regards, Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Well. I did it, at long last I posted a program based on Ed's Stru2MySQL into the dowloads section called Stru2Postgresql.prg. Maybe it'll save you a couple of hours scripting stuff to upsize your VFP data. Fell free to make improvements as you see fit! http://leafe.com/dls/vfp -Kevin CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of FoxForward 2007 foxforward.net mrgmhale wrote: So, what is it I did at long last? I picked up a Dell 840 Server to replace a perfectly good Dell sc420 Server that has been running my Symantec AntiVirus Server Management Console, managed all of my Secondary Disk-To-Disk, and Disk-To-LTO3 Tape file backup processes for my entire system, and hosted several VFP databases for my Test Applications. After getting the Dell 840 all lit up and configured with the apps and data from the sc420 machine, I set about getting the sc420 ready for a new life. The Dell 840 has pretty decent specs, P4 dual core 3.0Ghz, 2Gb DDR2 667Mhz RAM, 160 SATA Boot HDD, 250Gb SATA scratch HDD, 2 each 73Gb SCSI HDDs, 4 port PCI USB v-2.0 card, Adaptec 39160 SCSI 64 bit PCI-X card, 6 each USB external HDDs (secondary backup HDDs), and an HP LTO3 920 SCSI Tape Drive hanging off it. The 840 has more than enough punch to handle what I plan to throw at it. My production tables/files are going to remain on my Dell sc430 unit, at least for now. That has also been one sweet Server (Win2k3, 1Gb DDR2 RAM, dual 73Gb SCSI HDDs, etc...) So, here is what I Did... I bumped the sc420 RAM from 768Mg to 2Gb RAM (768Mg was more than adequate for what it had been used for under Windows 2003 Server), pulled one of its 73Gb SCSI HDDs out of it (popped it and another 73Gb SCSI HDD into the 840 Server), and scrubbed the partition off the SATA Boot Drive 0. I then took a DVD I had burned Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 O/S onto, and installed that O/S onto the sc420 Server. The setup looked a bit unusual, but every newer version of Windows O/S looks a bit strange at first also. I actually got the installation done without having to strip and restart the project a few times! Of course, I may find problems later on, but by then I hope to be familiar enough with SUSE Linux to know what to do about any alleged Installer Errors g... Next I plan to install PostgreSQL onto the Linux Server, and begin to host some PostgreSQL databases via HTTPS my colleague (David Johnston) has put together for Windows Server platforms, along with his Browser Scripting and Java solutions that are replacing my pure VFP Document GoGetter (data archiving) application that has been running at several client locations since 2002. At some point I will be migrating my DCMS (CRM for auto dealerships) to a PostgreSQL back end also, and am seriously considering using Dabo/Python for the front end. Thus far I do not see any multiple platform Open Source solutions out there that come close to what Dabo has become. So, I guess the first really serious fissure is finally represented with my SUSE Linux move. I will always have to be working in the Windows environment for front end apps, but for scalability, built in security and thin-net reasons I finally had to take my first serious Bite Of The Bullet with the SUSE Linux move. It almost feels like a long, dragged out break-up in a way. I do plan to develop apps using VFP here and there, at least until I get real familiar with Dabo, Python and PostgreSQL. But the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now in my little world, and there is not much I can do if I plan to remain in the game for another few decades. Hmmm, this almost looks like a Swan Song of sorts. It is not. That will likely come many years from now at soonest - if ever. I do not think this is quite what M$ had in mind with its ISV/MSDN program g... Essentially, for me the ISV program became a Migration Enablement tool, with its extremely cost effective licensing for developers. Fact is, if M$ had not gotten so greedy with the Terminal Services CAL licensing with the Server 2003 (which bit me the other month), I may not have been quite so quick to jump to Linux - at least not for another year or so. It just added fuel to the smoldering fire for me. Oh well... I guess that makes me guilt of Cut Run, eh? Gil [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo
[NF] Well. I did it, at long last
So, what is it I did at long last? I picked up a Dell 840 Server to replace a perfectly good Dell sc420 Server that has been running my Symantec AntiVirus Server Management Console, managed all of my Secondary Disk-To-Disk, and Disk-To-LTO3 Tape file backup processes for my entire system, and hosted several VFP databases for my Test Applications. After getting the Dell 840 all lit up and configured with the apps and data from the sc420 machine, I set about getting the sc420 ready for a new life. The Dell 840 has pretty decent specs, P4 dual core 3.0Ghz, 2Gb DDR2 667Mhz RAM, 160 SATA Boot HDD, 250Gb SATA scratch HDD, 2 each 73Gb SCSI HDDs, 4 port PCI USB v-2.0 card, Adaptec 39160 SCSI 64 bit PCI-X card, 6 each USB external HDDs (secondary backup HDDs), and an HP LTO3 920 SCSI Tape Drive hanging off it. The 840 has more than enough punch to handle what I plan to throw at it. My production tables/files are going to remain on my Dell sc430 unit, at least for now. That has also been one sweet Server (Win2k3, 1Gb DDR2 RAM, dual 73Gb SCSI HDDs, etc...) So, here is what I Did... I bumped the sc420 RAM from 768Mg to 2Gb RAM (768Mg was more than adequate for what it had been used for under Windows 2003 Server), pulled one of its 73Gb SCSI HDDs out of it (popped it and another 73Gb SCSI HDD into the 840 Server), and scrubbed the partition off the SATA Boot Drive 0. I then took a DVD I had burned Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 O/S onto, and installed that O/S onto the sc420 Server. The setup looked a bit unusual, but every newer version of Windows O/S looks a bit strange at first also. I actually got the installation done without having to strip and restart the project a few times! Of course, I may find problems later on, but by then I hope to be familiar enough with SUSE Linux to know what to do about any alleged Installer Errors g... Next I plan to install PostgreSQL onto the Linux Server, and begin to host some PostgreSQL databases via HTTPS my colleague (David Johnston) has put together for Windows Server platforms, along with his Browser Scripting and Java solutions that are replacing my pure VFP Document GoGetter (data archiving) application that has been running at several client locations since 2002. At some point I will be migrating my DCMS (CRM for auto dealerships) to a PostgreSQL back end also, and am seriously considering using Dabo/Python for the front end. Thus far I do not see any multiple platform Open Source solutions out there that come close to what Dabo has become. So, I guess the first really serious fissure is finally represented with my SUSE Linux move. I will always have to be working in the Windows environment for front end apps, but for scalability, built in security and thin-net reasons I finally had to take my first serious Bite Of The Bullet with the SUSE Linux move. It almost feels like a long, dragged out break-up in a way. I do plan to develop apps using VFP here and there, at least until I get real familiar with Dabo, Python and PostgreSQL. But the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now in my little world, and there is not much I can do if I plan to remain in the game for another few decades. Hmmm, this almost looks like a Swan Song of sorts. It is not. That will likely come many years from now at soonest - if ever. I do not think this is quite what M$ had in mind with its ISV/MSDN program g... Essentially, for me the ISV program became a Migration Enablement tool, with its extremely cost effective licensing for developers. Fact is, if M$ had not gotten so greedy with the Terminal Services CAL licensing with the Server 2003 (which bit me the other month), I may not have been quite so quick to jump to Linux - at least not for another year or so. It just added fuel to the smoldering fire for me. Oh well... I guess that makes me guilt of Cut Run, eh? Gil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
