Since I recently had to remove 100+ MBytes of old mail stuff,
I cannot access this suject right now.
I remember with older SP's and even since the beginning that when
placing
tracks (pt), leftbutton made another solid track. Rightbutton
terminated the current track, but stayed in
On 12:57 PM 7/01/2002 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar said:
Since I recently had to remove 100+ MBytes of old mail stuff,
I cannot access this suject right now.
I remember with older SP's and even since the beginning that when
placing
tracks (pt), leftbutton made another solid track. Rightbutton
Does anybody know of a routine that would completely flip a board to help
with laying out bottom mount smt components? For all you old timers out
there, this is similar to flipping the whole artwork in order to tape the
solder side etch.
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102
hi sean,
i don't believe that it can be done. it would be a
handy item. i sometimes must reproduce a two-layer
board by merely looking and taking measurements from
the board. i've also run into several boards with
the silkscreening on the bottom. being able to lay
traces and silkscreen a
I'm going to try it.
I somewhat doubt it, since I only click once.
Thanks anyway.
Rene
Ian Wilson wrote:
On 12:57 PM 7/01/2002 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar said:
Since I recently had to remove 100+ MBytes of old mail stuff,
I cannot access this suject right now.
I remember with older SP's and
Flipping is simple (Select All - Edit - Move - Flip Selection (use Flip to
Same Side). You can also Select - Move - X or Y to flip
horizontally or vertically around the cursor base point.
But, at least in older builds, routed copper lost all Net Association,
and Identifiers still had to be
Warning
Unable to process data:
multipart/mixed; boundary=#DM908739734#
I would think it would be nice in the future, that Protel, sorry, Altium make a
feature in it's service packs, the ability to update portions of Protel 99se. For
example:
Update main code.
Update keyboard sequences, or use previous sp# sequenced, Install multiple SP#.
Update mouse/routing
Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software like XP in the first
place?
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL) 508.754.4858 x33
(FAX) 413.541.6170
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Why is anybody bothering with a lousy piece of software like XP in the
first
place?
Well, it's not like you have a choice! When you go to buy any packaged PC
system, all you can get is Windows XP. You want W2K, too bad! You want
Linux, too bad! The only way to get a different OS on your PC
Get WinXP Pro. No activation thingy. Wait a sec, other than the graphics, it's
identical to Win2K Pro, but double the price. You are right, Microsoft is a P___k.
Brian Guralnick
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum
While in general agreement that I am not interested in moving to XP, one is
faced with the fact that almost all new PCs come with it. Thus usres buying
partticularly name brand PCs are going to be faced with using XP, or coming
up with an old license for win 2k (my preference).
I hate that
I tried hard to find some Win2k pro.
While I was successful now, I know I won't within a few month.
I stocked a few Win2k for the upcoming machines that will last
another 6 years. We'll see what happens till then.
Rene
Mike Ingle wrote:
While in general agreement that I am not interested in
Hello,
As of December 20, 2001 Micro Warehouse still had Windows 2000 upgrade
available. I am also thinking of purchasing a couple of extra copies for
future use. From what I have read, there is very little advantage in
upgrading from Windows 2000 to XP. Certainly none when you factor
Sean James wrote:
Does anybody know of a routine that would completely flip a board to help
with laying out bottom mount smt components? For all you old timers out
there, this is similar to flipping the whole artwork in order to tape the
solder side etch.
You could get a big mirror, and
On 04:13 PM 7/01/2002 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar said:
I'm going to try it.
I somewhat doubt it, since I only click once.
Thanks anyway.
Rene
Rene,
It is *not* a double right click that I am talking about. It is a single
right click but Protel uses the right-button depressed time to
I stocked a few Win2k for the upcoming machines that will last
another 6 years. We'll see what happens till then.
Interesting - you have your own planned obsolesence program ;-)
I do the same, but I try to squeeze more time from a PC (4 years, at least).
But I haven't stockpiled OS licenses.
On 07:47 AM 7/01/2002 -0500, Sean James said:
Does anybody know of a routine that would completely flip a board to help
with laying out bottom mount smt components? For all you old timers out
there, this is similar to flipping the whole artwork in order to tape the
solder side etch.
Sean James
Altium is working investing in getting Protel to work in XP. I don't know what
you guys think, but Protel is a commercial application product. I don't think it has
any business working in XP. Even Altera says that their Quartus will only be
certified to work in Win2K. They dropped the
There is a loss upgrading from Win2K to XP. You loose security features, some OS
management tools and custom-ability, the Net server, mail client server, dual CPU
support, and the list does go on... Upgrading to XP Professional, you will receive
the same things as 2K Pro.
Brian
At 15:46 07.01.02 -0500, you wrote:
Hello,
As of December 20, 2001 Micro Warehouse still had Windows 2000
upgrade
available. I am also thinking of purchasing a couple of extra copies for
future use.
As far as I know, it's legally to DOWNGRADE a Microsoft product.
If you run out of
learning to visually reverse a mirror-image was one of the
first skills i picked up doing circuit boards. however, i
still have a hard time verifying a silkscreened bottom as is.
my standard operating procedure on that is to mirror it and
print it out and compare it to the actual board i'm
Brian:
What's supposed to the difference between XP Home and XP Pro, other than
cost? From what I have heard, XP Home is not just another recompile of the
same tired, crashprone Win9X/ME codebase. XP Home is supposed to use a
similar good codebase like W2K, right? If that's true, what then is
A PC runs at least 7 years. Simple stuff such as internet, email
and hardware related jobs such as 8 port serial, embedded compilers
and programmers are running on my P2 166MHz from 96, I once
increased the memory from 64 to 128M. It had WinNT then and I
upgrade to SP3.
Another machine from 98
Ah, I got it.
Still, that change wasn't necessary. It forces me to
change the behaviour of a machine that also runs other
applications.
I preferred the old way, where 2 rightclicks were necessary
to terminate the place-track-mode.
Rene
Ian Wilson wrote:
On 04:13 PM 7/01/2002 +0100, Rene
BTW, a good policy is to create a folder, I call it Setups, and dilligently
download any and all drivers, OS updates and errata files to that folder,
with well lableled sub-folders. I even keep al intermediate releases of
service packs.
That way the circa 2002 data and information will still be
Tim,
slightly better suggestion, burn them onto a multi-session CDROM. If
you harddrive goes down, you will need them on some other media. But your
suggestion is great, I have been doing the same for years, even when MIS
has the disks... because things like drivers are not around forever
Don't forget XP Pro is the next version of Win2000. Protel should work
with it at some point. Not that I'm going to move to XP because I've got too
many PCs that I alone use and I'm not giving MS money for each one of them.
Screw that. I'll still to Win2000 on all of them. As soon as they drop
And if you don't want it, send it to me. I'll pay your shipping.
-Original Message-
From: Edi Im Hof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:30 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 se SP4 on Windows XP Home
As far as I know, it's legally to
Altium is working investing in getting Protel to work in
XP. I don't know what
you guys think, but Protel is a commercial application
product. I don't think it has
any business working in XP. Even Altera says that their
Quartus will only be
certified to work in Win2K. They
You won't be able to activate it on your PC because it was already activated
on the sender's PC.
GOTCHA! HA HA HA! says Bill G.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum
Sorry to cover old ground...
What was the actual problem with 99SE on XP pro?
From our brief play with it on a friends pc it looks just like W2K with more
bloat to carry the 'pretty' front end. I realise that there will be some
change to allow for better backwards compatibility for gamers etc.
I haven't experimented with it but I think MS was/is trying to simplify some
networking setup features, especially for the home networkers (and gamers
too). Windows ME was supposed to address that but failed miserably and W2K
didn't really try. So maybe third time is a charm?
Seems that adding
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