Re: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb?
Tony, JaMi, Partly I have to agree with Joey. First of all, the bugs that are really annoing mostly happen if I don't have the time. I need to finish a certain job, and now even the file is gone. Hopefully the backup is OK. Then I realize the autobackup has ceased to work two hours ago. Happened more than once. In these moments you don't think about reporting any error... Second, there are some conceptional errors (that I and others also reported) that never have been changed even since P3.0. There are workarounds, so I can live with them, however sometimes I struggle in old traps... Third - there are *several* hotkeys that will cause P99SE to crash in *some* (not in all) circumstance. Unfortunately these circumstances happen mostly when I work with *very* large projects where I don't always have the time to shut down, restart, and then hit the same key in the same situation. Which is almost impossible if it happens like described above, i.e. when some background process has already become unstable. When will the user become aware of that? But 4) we (the users group) also found a lot of bugs, discussed them, specified the exact circumstances for them to happen, reported them, and finally some of them got fixed. I wish Protel would have fixed more... Altium, I really do want my SP7! Heiko Vachek -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:25 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb? Not to jump all over you, but how do you suppose Altium is supposed to fix bugs if we don't report them? -Original Message- From: Joey Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:06 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb? Generally when an application blows up when I do something, I just stop doing it. I don't have time to figure out how to file a bug report. If a company wants to hear about their bugs from me they had better put a bug reporting tool right in the application and make it dead simple to use. Certainly, I've found a number of bugs like the ones I hear about here over the years, many I know are still there. It is no surprise to me that other people are finding previously unreported bugs, because I'm sure there are lots of others who are like me and just work around the bugs if it is not too much work. Joey Nelson JoeScan -Original Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: September 10, 2002 8:21 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: [PEDA] Shazam Gollie! - Time Bomb? What's goin' on here! Ok, so now how come all of a sudden bugs are crawling out of the woodwork here, and Protel 99 SE seems to be exploding every time someone touches it. How can some of these things have possibly been hiding in here for so long and never been discovered by any of you guys? OK, a few posts back someone was commenting on the fact that they thought that Protel / Altium has a specific agenda re abandoning Protel 99 SE at the that time, and that even way back then they had a specific agenda in mind to replace Protel 99 SE by a specific point in time. Protel / Altium seems to desperately be trying to get everyone to buy into DXP real real fast, even though it is not ready. I am not gonna say it, but it makes you wonder. It has happened before. JaMi (yeah - I'll admit - this one is wild!) Altium, I really do want my SP7! Altium, I aslo want the antidote! ** ** * Tracking #: 7020644822A7D845887FAC26256105C4461E725D * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Spam...
I also got different klez variations from various adresses -none of them I knew- in the past, too. But no hint to the PEDA list. Be careful with klez, it is not spam, it is a very dangerous worm. As far as I know, it takes target adresses from everywhere, not only -or even not at all- out of the email adressbook. Also the sender adresses are sometimes spoofed. Heiko Vachek -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [Design] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:09 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Possible Spam... - Original Message - From: Matt Daggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] Possible Spam... Anyone getting possible KLEZ spam from the originating IP 64.229.233.168 and with a return path only in the headers from Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Matt I got one containing an attachment called rock.exe which is the Klez beast but the attachment was auto deleted by AV S/W at server It was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from [EMAIL PROTECTED] , vmadmin.com is an e-mail marketing company. It would be very interesting if Virtumundo handled opt-in mailings for yahoo groups. Design@ is an email address I created specifically for the yahoo groups, I only use this on yahoo groups PEDA lists now. In all my time I have never been spammed from the PEDA list. But spam, Klez, all yes and recently. John ** ** * Tracking #: 0D9CB9DBF20EC04CB42F28D7B51677D0D1EC900D * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?)
I agree 100%. I also started in 1993 with Protel V1.5, I think. Since then, several times protels upgrade politics were very obscure. Once (1996?) I sold the whole package and bought a new one, because it was cheaper than to upgrade. And as far as I remember, it never happened that they released a SP after the release of a major upgrade. P3.0, P98, P99, P99SE - always the same story: take the opportunity of a sales action, buy, and wait for 1 or 2 SP's of the new package (or vice versa: wait first and buy then), then you can dare to use it. Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH -Original Message- From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:33 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] So sue me ...(was:Crunch time?) I also couldn't agree more on SP7. It is unfair to expect users to pay for DXP when they cannot use it right away with all the bug fixes and retraining required. On the other hand, I might be tempted to pay for the DXP upgrade if it would buy me SP7. I would see an immediate value to the upgrade and I could then use DXP at my leisure and when I felt it was ready, I would switch over to DXP. This is what I did with P99 and P99SE, but then ATS was not an issue at that time either. I am hesitant to jump on with ATS without SP7 and not knowing the actual working release date of DXP. Not to mention the uncertainty with the next release of PCAD and how the Altium developers will have time to support both products. This is the most uncertainty I have ever witnessed with Protel since I started using it in 1993~. It may well be that I upgrade to DXP and pay ATS, but not without them proving to me it is worthwhile. Rob * Tracking #: 7365955ADAD6364EABF0F5AAC7813B9E6596 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] drill hole with no plating ?
If you double-click any pad, you get the pad dialog. Go to advanced, there you can find a checkbox plated. The Protel CAM output will generate an extra drill for each and every unplated and plated drill diameters. Making the drill diameter greater then the copper does not give the desired result because drilling and copper plating (of plated holes) is made before etching. The unplated holes are drilled as last step of the fabrication, at the same time as the contour milling. So the Board house needs an extra tool name for these unplated holes. Look at the *.drr file in the CAM folder. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:25 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] drill hole with no plating ? hello, i've been using a thru-hole pad with the pad smaller than the hole for a nonplated drill hole. i thought i was being slick. now i've had two different board shops chewing my rear for it in a one week period. how do i properly designate an unplated hole using protel? thank you, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PDF quality difference 98 and 99SE
We also use Acrobat very intensely for any kind of documentation. What we have found out is that the output of Distiller and PDF Writer (also Acrobat 4.0) can be very different. I personally use always distiller because it was the better one when outputs were different. As far as I know, distiller uses a PostScript printer driver and converts its output to PDF (which actually is a sort of compressed PostScript). If you have PS printer drivers installed on your system, they may influence the Arobat behavior. Also, there are many many options to choose in Distiller's menus. I haven't tried them all yet... regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website:http://www.elektronik21.de -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:21 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] PDF quality difference 98 and 99SE One of the Engineers came to me today with an interesting item. He showed me some pdf files of schematics that were generated from Protel 99SE and some that were generated from Protel 98. The pdf files generated by 99SE had some very peculiar junction dot shapes and lines that appeared to shift and stagger. Has anyone else noticed a difference in the quality of the pdf's generated by the two different versions? We are using Acrobat 4.0 for writing. PDF writer and distiller. Regards, GE Energy Services __ Lloyd Good Development Digitization Substation Automation Solutions General Electric Canada, Inc. 2728 Hopewell Place N.E., Calgary, Alberta T1Y 7J7 CANADA Tel: 403.214.4777, Dialcomm: 8.498.4777, Fax: 403.287.7946 Website: www.gepower.com/geharrisenergy/ NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail is privileged, confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by telephone (collect) at (1) 403.214.4400 and destroy this e-mail as well as any copy. Thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] computer pauses
You mention ... quickly flashes analyzing [net name]. This has been reported before in connection with multiple polygon planes on one net. I guess you have several polygon planes on one net (Probably GND or so). Try to hide this net. Normally the behavior should then be normal. regards, Heiko Vachek -Original Message- From: Tim Fifield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:32 PM To: Protel EDA Form Subject: [PEDA] computer pauses I know this has been discussed before, but I just wanted to bring it up again I'm finding that when I moving around the ref des on my pcb it pauses for a few seconds on to complete the process on things like caps and resistors. The more pins the component has; the longer it pauses for. I wanted to do a global edit so I could move all the ref des to 'center' positioning at once but after about 15 min of 'pause' I gave up I also noticed that when I move a single ref des on the command line at the bottom it quickly flashes analyzing [net name]. So I tried changing the polygons to no hatching and it seemed to speed up the process. If anybody has another thoughts on speeding this up, please fill me in. 4 layer PCB, 400+ comp., Online DRC is off... I'm using P99SE SP6. Win 2K SP2 800MHz, 512MRAM. Tim Fifield, CET * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problem when generating BOM
How about updating PCB first? (BOM is generated from PCB, not from SCH!) mit freundlichen Grüßen Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH -Original Message- From: Florian Finsterbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:05 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Problem when generating BOM I have a problem when generating the BOM with Protel-99SE-SP6: 1.) I have changed the value of a capacitor in the schematics (in the Part Type Field) 2.) Generating the BOM from the CAM-Manager 3.) When opening the BOM-File, the capacitor has the old value. But the timestamp shows that i'm viewing the new generated BOM. (The old BOM was closed before i've generated the new one) I've tried different things to get rid of this behaviour: - saving the schematic before generating the BOM - deleting the old BOM before generating the new one - closing and reopening the Project-File before generating the BOM - closing and reopening Protel - ... But the problem still remains. Any suggestions what i can do to get the actual BOM? Best regards, Florian Finsterbusch * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Colours on print preview.
Never examined it to that extent... (any PCB) That means, the PPC Process needs not the respective PCB document, but the PCB Server to run. regards, Heiko Dwight wrote: snip Yes, that was it. If I do the right order (open PCB, then Preview) from the beginning, I can get the color dialog. Thanks! (In fact, opening ANY PCB will put the client into a state where it's safe to open a PPC, whether or not the corresponding PCB, or any PCB, is open at that time.) BUG: Summary: Print Preview: Tools | Preference, color selection dialog can become blocked. Details: If a PPC (Print Preview) doc is opened in a Protel client session before any PCB has been opened, then on the Tools | Preferences, Color/Gray tab, clicking on a color bar has no effect (the color choice dialog box does not open). To make that dialog available, it is necessary to exit the Protel client and re-start it. Workaround: Open ANY PCB doc before the first time you open a PPC doc within a given client session. (It doesn't matter if the PCB is still open when you open the PPC.) Copy sent to Protel support. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Colours on print preview.
Dwight, Retrieve layer colors from PCB is also a good idea if nothing else works. I didn't try ever. But back to the original problem: have you set the right target PCB? (Tools | set target PCB...) If you have: I had this problem on 2 machines: one with Matrox millenium G400 NT4SP6 and P99SP6, 128K RAM, K6-III the other with G450DualHead, Win2K and P99SP6, 256KRAM, dual P-III. With exception of the Matrox cards not very similar... it could be a graphics card problem. On both machines I wasn't able to change colours if I had opened the Preview before the PCB. The dialog seems to lock itself (at least the colour part in my sytsems) if this happened once. I had to close everything, exit protel and reopen (by File | open, not with the picklist!). Since then, I open Print Previews only if I need them and close them before leaving Protel. And never had the problem again. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH -Original Message- From: Dwight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:41 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Colours on print preview. I've never gotten this to work. On the Tools | Preferences, color/gray tab, clicking in the gray column pops up a panel (with 64 squares, but only 4 shades!), but clicking in the color column does nothing. I tried just now, opening the PCB first, then the Preview, but still couldn't change colors. The only way I've managed to change colors is by changing the PCB colors, then using Retrieve layer colors from PCB. (win2k,SP6) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Colours on print preview.
This relates to Brian Guralnick Stephen Smith (postings from 23.Oct.2001): I had this problem, too, about one year ago. And also no one (including swiss Protel support) had a solution. But I found out myself: If you open the print preview without the target PCB open, you are not allowed to change colors. You must open the PCB file first and then the Print Preview for being able to do so. Sory for this late answer, I found the item today sorting my PEDA mailfolder. Perhaps someone of you still can use this information... Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH -Original Message- From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:05 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Colours on print preview. I had this trouble, about a week ago, where the colour of the solder resist is always the same as the top/bottom layer, no-one replied; But I spoke with Support and they couldn't figure it out either, so they have reported it to Protel. Steve -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 October 2001 07:37 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Colors on print preview. I'm having trouble changing the colors for some layers using the print preview. Are there any tricks, or remedies? Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Mechanikal Layers are disappearing
Brad, John, Joop, Marty and Waldemar, I have still a small idea - what type of storage do you use? I always use Wndows file system. Could this influence this behavior? Are you using Protel database? Since this behavior, if it works right or not, is consistent on several machines for some of us, it must be some other personal habit which influences the display. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website:http://www.elektronik21.de -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:37 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Mechanikal Layers are disappearing Thanks guys, for confirming it is not a singular isolated problem (based on response only). It is an annoying little problem which limits the effectiveness of using Mech layers 5 - 16. I had thought it was a code problem because it was consistent across a number of machines, video cards and had always been present since we switched to P99SE with only the new mech layers being effected. Anybody out there have any ideas to fix or root out the cause of this problem? Has anybody brought this up with Protel Tech support, what was their response? Brad Velander, Lead PCB Designer, Norsat International Inc., #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr., Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9. Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct Fax (604) 292-9010 website www.norsat.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Mechanikal Layers are disappearing
Brad Velander wrote: Heiko, very interesting. Now I am very interested. What sort of Protel display setup parameters are you using? I assume you are not using single layer. Right. My mechanical layers 5 - 16 display just as though just they are set to single layer display mode. When the layer is active, they display properly. When I switch to another layer, mech layers 5 - 16 may display until such time as the screen is redrawn and then they disappear. What sort of layer drawing order are you using? My display order is: Current Layer Connection Layer Multilayer Top Layer Top Overlay Bottom Overlay Mechanical 4 Midlayer 1 - 14 (in numerical order) Bottom Layer Paste (2 layers) Soldermask (2 Layers) Internal Planes (4 layers numerical order) Drill guide Keepout Mechanical layers (1 - 16 numerical order) Drill Drawing Visible Grids Similar. I normally use the default drawing order with some temporary exceptions. (example: exchange Top Layer Top Overlay) In display preferences I have only Convert Special strings, Highlight in Full and Redraw Layers checked. At least as far as display issues are concerned. Same. Since this only effects the new mechanical layers 5 - 16, I had immediately thought it was a typical P99SE new feature bug (coding deficiency for those who are allergic to the word bug. 8^). So far, no significant differences. Which OS and Graphics Adapter are you using? I can speak for W2KSP1, NT4SP6, and various versions of Matrox Millenium (between 4 and 64 MB). Machines are P200MMX with 128MB, K6-III-450MHz with 128MB, Dell PIII-1GHz with 256MB. No differences. I know this kind of display problems only for Solder and Paste masks. And for Pad Via Holes if they are not on Multi Layer of if they are covered by another ML pad. That can also be very misleading. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webseite: http://www.elektronik21.de * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
I agree. I've made many panels. But uncheck keep nets, otherwise Protel will draw rubber bands. And another thing: don't repour polygons if asked The panelized Board has different netnames and different design rules so the polygons will not look as before. I've also made panels with different population on the boards (for an application where we needed some instances of the same board in one Appliance, but with different timings). I made then one pick and place list for the whole panel, with different values on the single boards. Works also pretty good. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webseite: http://www.elektronik21.de -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:57 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel? we use protel use paste special on a copy of the board set keep nets, dupe desigs works pretty well Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Does anyone have a good procedure for PCB panelization? I've tried it in Protel (99SE), and it wants to connect all the nets (which I understand). When I try it in Camtastic, there is a lot of router and mousebite info I'd like to add but it doesn't seem like a natural place to add that stuff. I've never been requested to panalize before now. It seems messy. Tony -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Importing PADS
CRLF means Carriage Return / Line Feed obviously the Line 2793 is empty and ends with this CRLF. The importer seems to look for an integer consisting of 3 numbers, all it gets is this CRLF. Perhaps the definition of this Footprint CR10NR lacks a definition of Value, Position or somewhat similar. I have never worked with PADS, so I don't know the exact file format, but that's what I would read out of this message. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.elektronik21.de -Original Message- From: Owain May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:39 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Importing PADS I'm trying to import a PADS PowerPCB V3.5 layout file into Protel, but all I get is a couple of the components and a few nets plus a load of errors. The errors I'm getting are all roughly the same, although I can't find CRLF in the ASCII file at all. Error Loading Footprint :CR10NR Expected number in line: 2793 at position 0 and found this: **CRLF** Expected integer in line: 2793 at position 0 Expected integer in line: 2793 at position 0 Expected integer in line: 2793 at position 0 I can import V2.1 files with no problem. The Knowledge Base says that V3.5 files should also work. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks, Owain * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Logo's for FCC, UL and CE ?
Not quite correct, Brad. It is not illegal, to place a CE mark on a power supply, it only is not necessary, as the power supply will not work for its own, but only together with e.g. a PC. The complete system has to carry the CE mark, but system designers often ask for the components they implement to carry a CE mark also, in order to get proved that the single components (boards, power supply, drives, etc.) passed an EMC test. Regards, Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH That also is not the whole truth. CE Mark is mandatory for every Part that is sold to any end user inside the european community. So, a PC PSU must carry a CE mark if Customers (end users) can buy it as a separate unit. Consequently, this applies to every PC component that is sold as retail version. EMC testing for these components is made in a typical environment. Which leaves the question what is typical. So in doubt the system integrator has the responsability that his system is CE conform. All CE marking of components that are not sold in the end user market and that are not subject to a particular european standard is a misuse of the CE mark and therefore illegal. There are clear standards and laws about the application of the CE mark. regards, Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] save copy as is worthless
jeff, 1. Don't use the database format if you want to get the backed up files out of the actual work. saved as files are still in the database, and if this crashes, the backups also are lost. I use the windows file system since P99 is out and I never had problems. If you export files from the database, they also are out of reach... (right-click in the Protel Explorer the respective file and choose export. You will be prompted for a path and filename). 2. There is a real backup mechanism. Take a look at the down arrow at the far left of the Protel menu bar. There you find the Auto-save settings button under Preferences. I personally use 10 (the maximum possible) backups in a 10 minutes interval. Quite a lot of files (after 100 minutes, every open file will have 10 images), but after finishing a project, you can manually empty the backup folder, normally located under C:\Program Files\Design Explorer 99 SE\Backup\ (or your specific protel intallation path) mit freundlichen Grüßen Heiko Vachek elektronik 21 GmbH Flachter Str. 2 71277 Rutesheim Tel:+49 (7152) 99925-20 Fax:+49 (7152) 99925-21 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webseite: http://www.elektronik21.de -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] save copy as is worthless Hello! Does Protel99SE crash about daily for you? It does for me, I'm using the Database format and running on a Compaq IPAQ ( crap compared to the Dell I had before) with Windows 2000. I was doing save a copy as thinking I was creating backups. Wrong! At the end of the day yesterday Protel99SE did its daily crash and destroyed all the backup files and opened up with a file from 9:43 AM. I guess I'm supposed to export files to another directory?? I guess saving frequently and doing a save a copy as to another file name is worthless! I'm going to do the same $%@# thing I did yesterday because I didn't know how to backup with Protel99SE ( and yes I have read the entire manual). I hope your day goes much better than mine! Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio, USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
