Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-24 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
... Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-23 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 Mr. Baggett, one of our fine and helpful writers, here manages to seriously confuse some issues. At 09:34 AM 10/22/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Don't you think if it were

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-23 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
See replies below. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 At 10:14

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:14 AM 10/23/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: This must be hammer on Mr. Baggett day for Abdul. My apologies. I did not intend to hammer Mr. Baggett, but rather some ideas advanced by him. I think he's better than (some) of his ideas I'll give you another amusing joke, which you

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:05 PM 10/23/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Why is my idea strange? The HP hardware probably represents about $350 of the $399 price. That leaves about $49 for the XP license. That's pretty close to my idea of what XP should cost. Why should I have to buy a new PC to get a deal on

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-23 Thread Thomas
Please see below: -Original Message- From: Dwight Harm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:22 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Dwight Harm
...see below... -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:47 AM Free software can be great, but it won't save the world. Commercial software can be great, but it's straying further and further from the good value

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Dwight Harm
-Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:11 PM Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: IMO, the software world is in terrible shape. The main reason free software exists is because some users got tired of being endlessly gouged by

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 ...see below... -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:47 AM Free software can

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
] Open source SP7 Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Ivan, I thought all of that stuff (or at least most of it) was available from the Microsoft Developers Network. and to be more specific, from their Visual Studio, and particularly from the individual SDK's for the different products

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:18 AM 10/22/2003, Dwight Harm wrote: Most of the folks on this list are hardware people. I've been developing selling software for 20 years, and I can tell you IT AIN'T EASY. Delivering quality software takes a lot of time and a lot of talent, which = $$$. Let me say that I've been doing

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Mr. Baggett, one of our fine and helpful writers, here manages to seriously confuse some issues. At 09:34 AM 10/22/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Don't you think if it were easy (or even possible) to make money -- to stay in business -- at those prices, that there would be companies

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:14 AM 10/22/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Note: I am not against MS in principle. If I could buy a full version of W98 or 2K for $39, I'd do it. But $299 is just too much for software that should be priced as a commodity. Mr. Baggett has a strange idea of what the software costs.

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread Igor Gmitrovic
Message- From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 5:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Cc: JaMi Smith Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 Ok, Mike, I'll stick my foot in my mouth . . . As if I haven't already done enough of that . . . Actually, I think that it is a lot

Re: [PEDA] open source sp7

2003-10-21 Thread Jun Gong
Is Open source good idea? I don't think so. The reasons are: 1) Your work will be eazily stolen by Protel. They may simply copy your algorithm and update their DXP. 2) Protel SDK is very difficult to use, you may result in a buggy ware upone bugg base. 3) I don't think there are more than 10

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread JaMi Smith
- Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 ~ ~ ~ . . . Too bad the U.S. Dept of Justice

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread JaMi Smith
below. JaMi - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 Mr. Smith's proposal is of sufficiently questionable legality

Re: [PEDA] open source sp7

2003-10-21 Thread HxEngr
In a message dated 10/21/2003 3:13:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) I don't think there are more than 10 people interested in developing Protel server. You will agree with me If you take a look at how many people responded to this message. Don't assume from lack

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
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Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JaMi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread Jon Elson
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Ivan, I thought all of that stuff (or at least most of it) was available from the Microsoft Developers Network. and to be more specific, from their Visual Studio, and particularly from the individual SDK's for the different products. Most of it is available

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread Jon Elson
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: IMO, the software world is in terrible shape. The main reason free software exists is because some users got tired of being endlessly gouged by commercial software developers' prices and their lack of concern about fixing bugs, and decided to write their own

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:46 PM 10/21/2003, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: I wish I could erase the concept of software maintenance from the world mindset. Software is not a physical thing that can wear out or break. Software Maintenance is market-speak for bug fixing. Yes, plus support and a certain level of

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Mr. Smith's proposal is of sufficiently questionable legality that it would be a fairly hazardous undertaking. It might indeed be legal -- too many details are unknown to me to have a clear opinion -- but if Altium felt threatened by it, who is going to pay the legal expenses to defend against

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-16 Thread JaMi Smith
? : ) - Original Message - From: Mike Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 I thinks Jon is right we need the source code to start -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli

[PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-15 Thread Mike Reagan
Hello All, I was contemplating what my next move with Protel will be and came up with an idea of creating an open sourced SP7 software for 99SE. Before I put my foot in my mouth, is there a future for open sourced Service Packs? is it legal? Mike Reagan EDSI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-15 Thread Jon Elson
Mike Reagan wrote: Hello All, I was contemplating what my next move with Protel will be and came up with an idea of creating an open sourced SP7 software for 99SE. Before I put my foot in my mouth, is there a future for open sourced Service Packs? is it legal? I don't know how you can do

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-15 Thread Bagotronix Tech Support
Subject: [PEDA] Open source SP7 Hello All, I was contemplating what my next move with Protel will be and came up with an idea of creating an open sourced SP7 software for 99SE. Before I put my foot in my mouth, is there a future for open sourced Service Packs? is it legal? Mike Reagan EDSI

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-15 Thread Dennis Saputelli
hell, i'd buy a closed source one! ds Mike Reagan wrote: Hello All, I was contemplating what my next move with Protel will be and came up with an idea of creating an open sourced SP7 software for 99SE. Before I put my foot in my mouth, is there a future for open sourced Service Packs?

Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7

2003-10-15 Thread Mike Reagan
I thinks Jon is right we need the source code to start -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:26 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Open source SP7 hell, i'd buy a closed source one! ds Mike Reagan wrote