Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug in 99SE?
Hi terry I have see something like that and the reason is that i have forgot a simple space at the end of the name (when i rename component ). It show me the component in library, but when i place it in pcb it put the old version of component (the original copy). Regards E.BOBILLIER INRA UMRVP DOMAINE DE LA PRISE 35590 ST GILLES FRANCE Tel: 02 23 48 50 76 Fax: 02 23 48 50 80 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Message d'origine- De: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: mercredi 22 septembre 2004 08:25 À: 'Protel EDA Forum' Objet: [PEDA] Possible Bug in 99SE? Hi All, I opened up an old PCB file. I wanted to modify a footprint that appeared more than one on the board. Not having the original library, I created one from the board (Design -> Make Library). I modified the footprint and saved it. I then hit the Update PCB button. The PCB was updated accordingly, replacing all old instances of the footprint with my new one. Now the weird stuff happens. When I go to move any one of the newly modified parts, Protel changes it back to the footprint it was before! This seems to be an intermittent problem in fact Ive only seen it do this twice. Worst of all, its not repeatable. Has anyone else seen this strange behaviour? TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug in 99SE?
i have NEVER seen anything like that not even sure how that would be possible given that there is no cache for the PCB parts can you describe a little more about the nature of the changes and differences between old and new parts ? almost sounds like the image in memory is confused i bet if you close the file and reopen you will not be able to reproduce the problem Dennis Saputelli -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
True enough Ed. I think a nice thing to do would be to change the function of the PlacementTools Icon (in the floating menu) to be 'interactive routing' instead of placing lines. They are almost the same thing except for the net association that occurs with interactive routing lines. > -Original Message- > From: Shane Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:31 PM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > > Well it is either a bug or a feature. And if it's a feature > what do you use it for? If people are using it or it helps > them then I'd like to know :-) > > I say it should know what layer you are on, so if you are > placing a mech line protel can say 'Hey, they're on a mech > layer, I'll bring up a non-electrical edit window when they > hit tab'. Instead of 'Hey, I'm sure they intended to place > copper even though they haven't started from an electrical > hotpoint. Let me just kindly switch them to a Cu layer' > > As to the schematic commands I was indicating that there are > place graphical line and place electrical line ICONs. > Now the line containing the electrical connectivity is the > same ICON used to place non-electrical lines (mech) in PCB. I > would call this a slight inconsistency within a single > program. Sure it's easy to assign a different bmp to the > command but it's the default setup. > > Ed > > -----Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 4:13 a.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > > no i don't agree that this is a bug > when you say "shouldn't it know when it's placing a mech > line?" i don't see how > > you could wish to place a line on a copper layer (which would > of course be conductive) > > for example on top layer if you start from a pad with a net and P T > the track will have the associated net > > if instead you did P L you would see NO NET as the track > attribute and the width would be independent of the rules set > and follow the last line width used > > also even on a copper layer the two commands are useful for > keeping the separate widths per type > > as to the schematic commands > in the schematic editor > a wire is P W > a line is P D L (not P L as you indicated) > > but in the sch lib editor a line is P L since everything is a > "D"rawing primitive and there are no wires > > Dennis Saputelli > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > Yes PL is the correct comand. > > Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the > > same as the place line icon in PCB! This helps with my confusion :-) > > Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, > that to me is a > > bug! > > > > Ed > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:59 p.m. > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > > > this is not a bug > > you are just using the wrong command > > > > use P L > > place line for mech layers > > > > when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you > > back to a copper layer > > > > P T is for electrical tracks > > > > if you think about it, it is not bad > > also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice > > > > Dennis Saputelli > > > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > > > Hey Rob, > > > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop > > > down > box > > in > > > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically > changes you > > > to > > the > > > first cu layer... top! > > > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a > new fault > > > so > > don't > > > expect a fix! > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > > > > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > > > > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > > > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key > to change
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
i see what you mean about the ICONs i have never used the tool buttons so i didn't notice that i was referring to keystrokes certainly it would be nice to have better consistency between the editors but at this point i guess it is academic as 99SE has presumably been put out to pasture Dennis Saputelli Shane Edwards wrote: > > Well it is either a bug or a feature. And if it's a feature what do you use > it for? > If people are using it or it helps them then I'd like to know :-) > > I say it should know what layer you are on, so if you are placing a mech > line protel can say 'Hey, they're on a mech layer, I'll bring up a > non-electrical edit window when they hit tab'. Instead of 'Hey, I'm sure > they intended to place copper even though they haven't started from an > electrical hotpoint. Let me just kindly switch them to a Cu layer' > > As to the schematic commands I was indicating that there are place graphical > line and place electrical line ICONs. > Now the line containing the electrical connectivity is the same ICON used to > place non-electrical lines (mech) in PCB. > I would call this a slight inconsistency within a single program. Sure it's > easy to assign a different bmp to the command but it's the default setup. > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 4:13 a.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > no i don't agree that this is a bug > when you say "shouldn't it know when it's placing a mech line?" > i don't see how > > you could wish to place a line on a copper layer (which would of course > be conductive) > > for example on top layer if you start from a pad with a net and P T > the track will have the associated net > > if instead you did P L you would see NO NET as the track attribute and > the width would be independent of the rules set and follow the last line > width used > > also even on a copper layer the two commands are useful for keeping the > separate widths per type > > as to the schematic commands > in the schematic editor > a wire is P W > a line is P D L (not P L as you indicated) > > but in the sch lib editor a line is P L since everything is a "D"rawing > primitive and there are no wires > > Dennis Saputelli > * Tracking #: 00898113B6C0904E938F5A2B636002BE41915A9E * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO -YES -YES
Fabian, See below, JaMi - Original Message - From: "Fabian Hartery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO -YES > JaMi, > > I would have to agree with Dennis that this is not a bug. My counter to this > is that one could try and use lines on a schematic for interconnecting > parts. When doing a netlist, you would find nothing was connected. Protel > points this out subtly by having associated colors for those purposes. > Actually I would dissagree for two different reasons. 1. Schematics are Schematics, and PCBs are PCBs, and they are not the same. A "Line" on the "Top Layer" is "copper" and DOES have connectivity in a PCB. 2. In this wonderful software package of ours, if you place a "Track" on the "Top Layer", and then place a "Line" on the "Top Layer", and then Place a "Track" on "Mechanical 4", and then place a "Line" on "Mechanical 4", what do you have? Well according to this brilliant software, if you double click on any of the four, you will find that they are all "Tracks". This should actually "rest the case" ; ) > In this light, I would like to know if there is an official bugs list for > Protel on line all the same. I thought there was a mention of something like > this on Yahoo ? I not not know if it was Ian that volunteered this form of > archiving, as unloving as a job it would be ? > Ian is the "keeper of the bugs" on Yahoo!, so you might want to contact him about this one. We have been kind of keeping "loose track" of a few things here in the forum, but we really do have to decide just which of those, if any, we sunmit for SP7, if we submit anything at all, and we should decide soon. ~ ~ ~ > St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Sounds cold up there, even at this time of year ; ) Yes Altium I really do really do really do really do want my spseven! * Tracking #: C591CD621008644AA8B72075717B24C494F5779B * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
Well it is either a bug or a feature. And if it's a feature what do you use it for? If people are using it or it helps them then I'd like to know :-) I say it should know what layer you are on, so if you are placing a mech line protel can say 'Hey, they're on a mech layer, I'll bring up a non-electrical edit window when they hit tab'. Instead of 'Hey, I'm sure they intended to place copper even though they haven't started from an electrical hotpoint. Let me just kindly switch them to a Cu layer' As to the schematic commands I was indicating that there are place graphical line and place electrical line ICONs. Now the line containing the electrical connectivity is the same ICON used to place non-electrical lines (mech) in PCB. I would call this a slight inconsistency within a single program. Sure it's easy to assign a different bmp to the command but it's the default setup. Ed -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 4:13 a.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO no i don't agree that this is a bug when you say "shouldn't it know when it's placing a mech line?" i don't see how you could wish to place a line on a copper layer (which would of course be conductive) for example on top layer if you start from a pad with a net and P T the track will have the associated net if instead you did P L you would see NO NET as the track attribute and the width would be independent of the rules set and follow the last line width used also even on a copper layer the two commands are useful for keeping the separate widths per type as to the schematic commands in the schematic editor a wire is P W a line is P D L (not P L as you indicated) but in the sch lib editor a line is P L since everything is a "D"rawing primitive and there are no wires Dennis Saputelli Shane Edwards wrote: > > Yes PL is the correct comand. > Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the same as > the place line icon in PCB! > This helps with my confusion :-) > Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, that to me is a > bug! > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:59 p.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > this is not a bug > you are just using the wrong command > > use P L > place line for mech layers > > when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back > to a copper layer > > P T is for electrical tracks > > if you think about it, it is not bad > also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice > > Dennis Saputelli > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > Hey Rob, > > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box > in > > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to > the > > first cu layer... top! > > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so > don't > > expect a fix! > > > > Ed > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the > track > > width on the fly. > > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no > longer > > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > > > Rob > > > > > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 > * > > -- > ___ > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 4
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO -YES
JaMi, I would have to agree with Dennis that this is not a bug. My counter to this is that one could try and use lines on a schematic for interconnecting parts. When doing a netlist, you would find nothing was connected. Protel points this out subtly by having associated colors for those purposes. In this light, I would like to know if there is an official bugs list for Protel on line all the same. I thought there was a mention of something like this on Yahoo ? I not not know if it was Ian that volunteered this form of archiving, as unloving as a job it would be ? Neverless, I will give an example where an software omission causes an inconvenience, but it is not a bug. Protel has the ability to point back to its DDB resources to self declare its piggy backed library files. What it does not associate in this way are graphic inserts one wishes to place on a template, even though they can travel within the DDB. Placements such as this require the bit map (or whatever image) be kept on a predefined location on a computer connection (HD..whatever). That is just my experience. Well sending such a file to another person means that this person will not see those inserts. I have found a work around to this 'miss giving' by doing extra work with AutoCad for templates and then doing an import. Yes, it is grief, but that is not a bug. A bug to me is when there is no warning of nets being shorted and it happens anyway, without prompting the user to a merged net name. Yes... I know that could be edited out. That's a tweak, not a solution to an inefficiency because that action causes grief that might get hidden. The lost DDB architecture is a loss to me, but it is not a bug, as well. It took some time for me to be accept to data base archiving. Some will pee on DDBs for creating risk, but it has its merits when other people would otherwise use the designer's tracking of his own documents for their own keep. Fabian Hartery Research Engineer, B. Eng (Electrical) Guigne International Limited 63 Thorburn Road St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada A1B3M2 tel: 709-738-4070 fax: 709-738-4093 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.guigne.com This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. Any dissemination, distribution or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. We cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. * Tracking #: 60DB54B0D2EC0A47B6DF5482C1EB02440D979D3A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
Well, you could just modify the tool bar ... I've added a PCB:PlaceTrack button and used the Wire.bmp image and changed the bmp image on the "Place lines on the current document" button from the Wire.bmp to the Polyline.bmp image. This way, pressing the tab button after clicking on the button ... "Interactively route connections" you get the "Interactive Routing" pop up "PCB:PlaceTrack" you get the "Track Properties" pop up "Place lines on the document" you get the "Line Constraints" pop up But I usually just use PL or PT or Right Click rather than using the buttons ... Correct me if I'm wrong, but once the line/track has been placed, doesn't Protel treat them all the same (according to their properties)? That is to say, if you double click on any line, whether it be a mechanical line or a track, the same properties box pops up from whence you can modify it. My impression is that the important part is what "mode" is used to place the line/track, which causes Protel to assert different rules when laying the line/track. (I've never done an ASCII output of a PCB (or a schematic) so I could be missing something.) I suppose it would be possible to create a script of some sort that would auto detect what layer you where on when it was invoked and then start the correct line/track placement routine. TimEx -Original Message- From: Shane Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:42 p.m. To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO Yes PL is the correct comand. Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the same as the place line icon in PCB! This helps with my confusion :-) Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, that to me is a bug! Ed * Tracking #: B58BC2632B58E54B969DB499FB1854BE6BF388AD * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO -YES
As they used to say back in Roman times, "One man's bug is another man's feature.". (Don't you just hate a smart-ass!) * Tracking #: 62D8958B6934B74E8448D96EDB3BC872B2F4D045 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO -YES
Dennis and the group, I, like a few others have always used "Place Track", and hence when it was pointed out that I should have been using "Place Line" on a MECH layer instead, I sulked away and figured it wasn't really a bug after all, and I should use the correct "Line" instead or "Track" But then this starts to fester in the wee dark recesses of my mind in the background as I go about trying to ignore the forum so I can finish the current incarnation of the "board from hell". Then all of a sudden I wake up screaming "it is a bug!", "it is a bug!" . . . If I ain't supposed to use a "Track" on a MECH layer, then it should "ding" me and not let me even begin to place the "Track". If it will allow me to use a "Track" on a MECH layer, it should know that it really isn't placing a "Track", but a "Line", and then it need to also respond like it is placing a "Line" when I hit "Tab", and do the proper thing. Even if it is going to let me place either a "Track" or a "Line", and handle either separately based on what it actually is, then it needs to still handle changing the width when I use "Tab" correctly no matter what it really is, be it "Track" or "Line". It really is a bug no matter how you look at it. The only difference is just exactly how you define it and where where the bug is. JaMi - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > no i don't agree that this is a bug ~ ~ ~ etc. * Tracking #: 0AFE7FD94A7710488A8D359A3BA1F0DD52FBF198 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
> -Original Message- > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Now that I know of the P L command, I went into the PCB > library editor to > create a component and the P L command does not exist! There are no "lines" in the PCB editor. They're all polylines, or, in Protel nomenclature, "tracks". "Lines" are created by placing tracks on non-mfg layers. aj * Tracking #: DDAEE953DAA2294CAD62DFF2B4A06212038D3869 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
yes they do not handle the lib editor consistently too bad although a rationalization could be that that a lib track does not have net attributes and design rules which is largely what drives the distinction between Place Line and Place Track in the PCB editor also note that P T is actually no longer Place Track, but rather Place interactive rouTing this helps clarify the difference i also hate the different keys needed for report measure distance between PCB editor and PCB Lib editor Dennis Saputelli Rob Young wrote: > > Now that I know of the P L command, I went into the PCB library editor to > create a component and the P L command does not exist! However, you can use > the P T command on a mechanical layer and if you change the width on the > fly, your current layer stays as it should. > > Rob > > - Original Message - > From: "Shane Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > > Yes PL is the correct comand. > > Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the same as > > the place line icon in PCB! > > This helps with my confusion :-) > > Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, that to me is a > > bug! > > > > Ed > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:59 p.m. > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > > > > > this is not a bug > > you are just using the wrong command > > > > use P L > > place line for mech layers > > > > when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back > > to a copper layer > > > > P T is for electrical tracks > > > > if you think about it, it is not bad > > also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice > > > > Dennis Saputelli > > > > > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > > > Hey Rob, > > > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down > box > > in > > > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to > > the > > > first cu layer... top! > > > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so > > don't > > > expect a fix! > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > > > > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > > > > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > > > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the > > track > > > width on the fly. > > > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no > > longer > > > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > > > > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile > now. > > > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 > > * > > > > -- > > > ___ > > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. > >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
no i don't agree that this is a bug when you say "shouldn't it know when it's placing a mech line?" i don't see how you could wish to place a line on a copper layer (which would of course be conductive) for example on top layer if you start from a pad with a net and P T the track will have the associated net if instead you did P L you would see NO NET as the track attribute and the width would be independent of the rules set and follow the last line width used also even on a copper layer the two commands are useful for keeping the separate widths per type as to the schematic commands in the schematic editor a wire is P W a line is P D L (not P L as you indicated) but in the sch lib editor a line is P L since everything is a "D"rawing primitive and there are no wires Dennis Saputelli Shane Edwards wrote: > > Yes PL is the correct comand. > Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the same as > the place line icon in PCB! > This helps with my confusion :-) > Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, that to me is a > bug! > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:59 p.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > this is not a bug > you are just using the wrong command > > use P L > place line for mech layers > > when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back > to a copper layer > > P T is for electrical tracks > > if you think about it, it is not bad > also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice > > Dennis Saputelli > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > Hey Rob, > > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box > in > > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to > the > > first cu layer... top! > > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so > don't > > expect a fix! > > > > Ed > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the > track > > width on the fly. > > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no > longer > > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > > > Rob > > > > > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 > * > > -- > ___ > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
Now that I know of the P L command, I went into the PCB library editor to create a component and the P L command does not exist! However, you can use the P T command on a mechanical layer and if you change the width on the fly, your current layer stays as it should. Rob - Original Message - From: "Shane Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > Yes PL is the correct comand. > Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the same as > the place line icon in PCB! > This helps with my confusion :-) > Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, that to me is a > bug! > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:59 p.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > > > this is not a bug > you are just using the wrong command > > use P L > place line for mech layers > > when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back > to a copper layer > > P T is for electrical tracks > > if you think about it, it is not bad > also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice > > Dennis Saputelli > > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > Hey Rob, > > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box > in > > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to > the > > first cu layer... top! > > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so > don't > > expect a fix! > > > > Ed > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the > track > > width on the fly. > > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no > longer > > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > > > Rob > > > > > > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 > * > > -- > ___ > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
Yes PL is the correct comand. Ever notice how the place electrical wire in schematic icon is the same as the place line icon in PCB! This helps with my confusion :-) Shouldn't Protel know when it's placing a mechanical line, that to me is a bug! Ed -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 12:59 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO this is not a bug you are just using the wrong command use P L place line for mech layers when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back to a copper layer P T is for electrical tracks if you think about it, it is not bad also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice Dennis Saputelli Shane Edwards wrote: > > Hey Rob, > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box in > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to the > first cu layer... top! > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so don't > expect a fix! > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the track > width on the fly. > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no longer > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > Rob > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
Thanks Dennis, I never realized they snuck the P L command in there! It works like it should now. I guess that is one problem with being a long-time user and using only the hot keys. I wonder what release started the Place Line command? I learn something new everyday... Rob - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO > this is not a bug > you are just using the wrong command > > use P L > place line for mech layers > > when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back > to a copper layer > > P T is for electrical tracks > > if you think about it, it is not bad > also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice > > Dennis Saputelli > > > Shane Edwards wrote: > > > > Hey Rob, > > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box in > > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to the > > first cu layer... top! > > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so don't > > expect a fix! > > > > Ed > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the track > > width on the fly. > > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no longer > > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > > > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > > > Rob > > > > > > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 > * > > -- > ___ > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug?
Rob, I think the problem is that you should use place line, this doesn't have the same issue as you are using place interactive routing which of course could not work on a layer that is not copper as Shane says below. Darren > -Original Message- > From: Shane Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:14 > > Hey Rob, > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the > drop down box in > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically > changes you to the > first cu layer... top! > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new > fault so don't > expect a fix! > > Ed * Tracking #: 794628F9238B7F43B1AF7D8D856DAED5F8A6365D * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug?
Re: [PEDA] - Possible Bug? -NO
this is not a bug you are just using the wrong command use P L place line for mech layers when you hit TAB a different dialog will pop and it won't swap you back to a copper layer P T is for electrical tracks if you think about it, it is not bad also the last used width will stick for each type which is nice Dennis Saputelli Shane Edwards wrote: > > Hey Rob, > I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box in > the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to the > first cu layer... top! > Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so don't > expect a fix! > > Ed > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? > > I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > > Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. > While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the track > width on the fly. > Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no longer > placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > > A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > > Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > > Rob > * Tracking #: 20317CE6AC25EA46AA411E7DC3AA767AAA784DD7 * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug?
Hey Rob, I presume it's because there is no non-copper layers in the drop down box in the interactive routing window, so it then automatically changes you to the first cu layer... top! Annoys the hell out of me too, and unfortunately is not a new fault so don't expect a fix! Ed -Original Message- From: Rob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 5:02 a.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Possible Bug? I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the track width on the fly. Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no longer placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? Rob * Tracking #: 268E5D077F143241A06F5904E73E5840122EC4D7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Bug?
Yep - it still acts the same in DXP. At 01:01 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I am wondering if any of you can replicate this: > >Start placing a series of track segments on Mech 1. >While in the process of placing track, hit the "TAB" key to change the track >width on the fly. >Upon changing the width and closing the track dialog box, you are no longer >placing track on Mech 1 but on the Top signal layer. > >A little annoying, but something that I have worked around for awhile now. > >Can anyone confirm that this is repeatable in DXP as well? > >Rob SNIP * Tracking #: 6E54DAD59C9AD048AAA38131A01F9F7C421CE79E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
