Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users]

Done!

> 18 feb. 2024 kl. 12:02 skrev Derek via Ql-Users :
> 
> Or send me an email to sa...@q40.de
> 
> Regards,
> Derek
> 
>> On 18 February 2024 10:52:01 GMT, pjw via Ql-Users 
>>  wrote:
>> Yes! See this link: https://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2082=70
>> Per
>>> On 17/02/2024 23:23, Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users wrote:
>>> Is it possible to buy a Q68 these days?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
>>>   wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
 https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip
 
 (nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences
 with SDXC cards and some new config options).
 
 Have fun!
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users]

Thanks. I am not following the qlforum, only this list. I need to change my 
habits! -:)

> 18 feb. 2024 kl. 11:52 skrev pjw via Ql-Users :
> 
> Yes! See this link: https://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2082=70
> Per
>> On 17/02/2024 23:23, Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users wrote:
>> Is it possible to buy a Q68 these days?
>> 
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
>>>   wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
>>> https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip
>>> 
>>> (nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences
>>> with SDXC cards and some new config options).
>>> 
>>> Have fun!
>>> 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[Derek via Ql-Users]

Or send me an email to sa...@q40.de

Regards,
Derek

On 18 February 2024 10:52:01 GMT, pjw via Ql-Users  
wrote:
>Yes! See this link: https://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2082=70
>Per
>On 17/02/2024 23:23, Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users wrote:
>> Is it possible to buy a Q68 these days?
>> 
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
>>   wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
>>> https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip
>>> 
>>> (nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences
>>> with SDXC cards and some new config options).
>>> 
>>> Have fun!
>>> 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[pjw via Ql-Users]

Yes! See this link: https://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2082=70
Per
On 17/02/2024 23:23, Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users wrote:

Is it possible to buy a Q68 these days?


Michael

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
  wrote:

Hi all,

I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip

(nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences
with SDXC cards and some new config options).

Have fun!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[Derek via Ql-Users]

Hi Michael 

I have a small waiting list for the next batch of Q68.

I will add your details to the waiting list and contact you when I can complete 
the order.

Order information and more technical details of the Q68, can obtained from 
sa...@q40.de

Regards
Derek

On 17 February 2024 22:23:28 GMT, Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users 
 wrote:
>Is it possible to buy a Q68 these days?
>
>
>Michael
>
>On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
>> https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip
>>
>> (nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences
>> with SDXC cards and some new config options).
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[Michael Grunditz via Ql-Users]

Is it possible to buy a Q68 these days?


Michael

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
> https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip
>
> (nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences
> with SDXC cards and some new config options).
>
> Have fun!
>
> Wolfgang
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[Ql-Users] Q68 manual

[Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users]

Hi all,

I updated the Q68 manual, it can be found at
https://wlenerz.com/Q68/Q68-SMSQE.zip

(nothing earth-shattering there, it explains PROT_DATE, my experiences 
with SDXC cards and some new config options).


Have fun!

Wolfgang
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 serial buffers

[Jan Bredenbeek via Ql-Users]

On 22-06-2019 21:30, Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
I also noticed that the SER_BUFF command which can be used to set the 
buffer size in SMSQ/E is present in the Q68 version, but it always 
gives a 'not found' error message irrespective of the arguments I 
specify.

Is this a bug or a 'feature''?

Jan.

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Found the bug. All the SER_* commands set the parameters through a Thing 
called 'ser_par_prt'. However, in the Q68 version it is called 'ser_prt' 
for some reason (because the Q68 has no PAR prt?). So the SER_* commands 
cannot find the Thing anymore.
Now the next challenge is to rebuild SMSQ/E (for some reason SMSQEMake 
crashes at line 7810 with a 'not found' error).


Jan.

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[Ql-Users] Q68 serial buffers

[Jan Bredenbeek via Ql-Users]

 I've been doing some tests with the Q68's serial port.

It's well known that it doesn't support flow control. So this means that if
you receive data at, say, 38400 bps or higher, you need a buffer large
enough to hold all the incoming data to give the Q68 a chance to digest it
(for example to write a BBS page to the screen or save a block to SDcard).
I know that the Q68 uses external interrupts to transfer incoming data from
the UART to the input buffer so this shouldn't be a problem as long as the
buffer is large enough.

I noticed that at 38400 bps, the Q68 could keep up with a page of ANSI-BBS
graphics in QL MODE 4, but missed out in display mode 6 (512x384x65536). So
I'm wondering what the size of the Q68's input buffer is under SMSQ/E.

I also noticed that the SER_BUFF command which can be used to set the
buffer size in SMSQ/E is present in the Q68 version, but it always gives a
'not found' error message irrespective of the arguments I specify.
Is this a bug or a 'feature''?

Jan.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 & QD

[Wolf via Ql-Users]

Hi,

this has been solved and fixed.

The fixed binary version (only) is included in the binaries zip file 
which I re-upped to the smsqe site.


Thanks to Bob for finding this and testing!

Have fun.

Wolfgang

On 23/06/2018 14:07, Bob Spelten via Ql-Users wrote:

There seems to be a problem with QD on my Q68.
When running Q68 in high resolution 1024x768 and the QD window is set at 
80 characters, editing is fine as long as I stay within this 80 chrs 
margin.
I can move the cursor beyond that but when a character is inserted the 
whole machine freezes.


Also with a wider QD window, typing beyond the 80 chrs margin locks up 
SMSQ.
Setting the right margin at 100 seems to fix the problem but only moves 
it to position 101.


This was tested with QD's v9 and vB.01 and has never been a problem on 
QPC2 or SMSQmulator so seems limited to QD interacting with SMSQ/E on 
the Q68.


Any ideas?
Bob


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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 & QD

[Wolf via Ql-Users]

Hi,

 I'll check this next week.

Wolfgang






Le 23/06/2018 18:55, Derek via Ql-Users a écrit :

Hi Bob,
I tried QD B.01 on a Q68 SMSQ/E 3.33, in 1024x768 (DISP_MODE 7) with the QD 
margin set to120 characters.
Typing past 120 characters makes the Q68 freeze.
I also tried in DISP_MODE 4 - 1024x768 4 colours. Much faster, but same 
problems.
I will try all screen resolutions and report back.
RegardsDerek
 Original message From: Bob Spelten via Ql-Users  
Date: 23/06/2018  13:07  (GMT+00:00) To: ql-users  Cc: Bob Spelten 
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68 & QD
There seems to be a problem with QD on my Q68.
When running Q68 in high resolution 1024x768 and the QD window is set at
80 characters, editing is fine as long as I stay within this 80 chrs
margin.
I can move the cursor beyond that but when a character is inserted the
whole machine freezes.

Also with a wider QD window, typing beyond the 80 chrs margin locks up
SMSQ.
Setting the right margin at 100 seems to fix the problem but only moves it
to position 101.

This was tested with QD's v9 and vB.01 and has never been a problem on
QPC2 or SMSQmulator so seems limited to QD interacting with SMSQ/E on the
Q68.

Any ideas?
Bob


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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 & QD

[Derek via Ql-Users]

Hi Bob,
I tried QD B.01 on a Q68 SMSQ/E 3.33, in 1024x768 (DISP_MODE 7) with the QD 
margin set to120 characters.
Typing past 120 characters makes the Q68 freeze.
I also tried in DISP_MODE 4 - 1024x768 4 colours. Much faster, but same 
problems.
I will try all screen resolutions and report back.
RegardsDerek
 Original message From: Bob Spelten via Ql-Users 
 Date: 23/06/2018  13:07  (GMT+00:00) To: ql-users 
 Cc: Bob Spelten  Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68 
& QD 
There seems to be a problem with QD on my Q68.
When running Q68 in high resolution 1024x768 and the QD window is set at  
80 characters, editing is fine as long as I stay within this 80 chrs  
margin.
I can move the cursor beyond that but when a character is inserted the  
whole machine freezes.

Also with a wider QD window, typing beyond the 80 chrs margin locks up  
SMSQ.
Setting the right margin at 100 seems to fix the problem but only moves it  
to position 101.

This was tested with QD's v9 and vB.01 and has never been a problem on  
QPC2 or SMSQmulator so seems limited to QD interacting with SMSQ/E on the  
Q68.

Any ideas?
Bob

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[Ql-Users] Q68 & QD

[Bob Spelten via Ql-Users]

There seems to be a problem with QD on my Q68.
When running Q68 in high resolution 1024x768 and the QD window is set at  
80 characters, editing is fine as long as I stay within this 80 chrs  
margin.
I can move the cursor beyond that but when a character is inserted the  
whole machine freezes.


Also with a wider QD window, typing beyond the 80 chrs margin locks up  
SMSQ.
Setting the right margin at 100 seems to fix the problem but only moves it  
to position 101.


This was tested with QD's v9 and vB.01 and has never been a problem on  
QPC2 or SMSQmulator so seems limited to QD interacting with SMSQ/E on the  
Q68.


Any ideas?
Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi Fabrizio,

> I have done a sufficient number of experiment in copying and executing 
> files over the sernet@230400 to say that it is working.

I'm glad it does, although SERNET alone can not prove the SER-USB
adaptor handles 230 kBaud reliably in general. The problems usually pop
up when you have no protocol splitting long transfers it into smaller
chunks.

> I copied also some files over the net, bigger than 1Mb, and then 
> compared byte by byte. I would like to say that @230400 sernet should 
> work:-).

Thank you for testing and reporting.

> The cable I used is coming originally from Laplink package and it is 
> clearly visible that the cable construction quality is excellent, the 
> usb/ser adapter is a Digitus one, the "PC" is a Mac Book pro using Win10 
> with Parallels...and finally QPC.

When I was testing USB-SER adaptors, it was PC to PC. It could be that
not having USB-SER adaptors on _both_ sides improves chances. Also I
seem to remeber that the "good" one I found back then was also Digitus.

By the way, did anyone have success with SERNET on Qemulator?

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[pjwitte via Ql-Users]

On 21/01/2018 10:26, Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote:

Must be a pretty ancient Mac Book Pro if it still has a serial port. 
Mine is from 2008 and doesnt.
<> the "PC" is a Mac Book pro using Win10 with Parallels...and 
finally QPC. 

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users]

Hi,

I have done a sufficient number of experiment in copying and executing 
files over the sernet@230400 to say that it is working.


I copied also some files over the net, bigger than 1Mb, and then 
compared byte by byte. I would like to say that @230400 sernet should 
work:-).


The cable I used is coming originally from Laplink package and it is 
clearly visible that the cable construction quality is excellent, the 
usb/ser adapter is a Digitus one, the "PC" is a Mac Book pro using Win10 
with Parallels...and finally QPC.


Fabrizio


On 21/01/2018 01:11, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:

My experience is that internal SER cards for PC tend to work reliably at
up to 230 kBaud without handshake, while most USB-SER coverters don't.

Usually you notice it only during long file transfers.

Am 21.01.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Dave Park via Ql-Users:

Once you're up into 230k territory, the quality of the cable starts making
an extraordinary difference, even if there is UART support for that speed.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:


Hi Fabrizio,


configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined
speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC

side.

I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

My experience is that internal SER cards for PC tend to work reliably at
up to 230 kBaud without handshake, while most USB-SER coverters don't.

Usually you notice it only during long file transfers.

Am 21.01.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Dave Park via Ql-Users:
> Once you're up into 230k territory, the quality of the cable starts making
> an extraordinary difference, even if there is UART support for that speed.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
> ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Fabrizio,
>>
>>> configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined
>>> speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC
>> side.
>>
>> I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
>> hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
>> ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
>> 230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.
>>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Dave Park via Ql-Users]

Once you're up into 230k territory, the quality of the cable starts making
an extraordinary difference, even if there is UART support for that speed.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Hi Fabrizio,
>
> > configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined
> > speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC
> side.
>
> I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
> hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
> ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
> 230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi Fabrizio,

> configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined 
> speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC side.

I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users]

Peter,

configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined 
speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC side.


Ciao


On 20/01/2018 18:00, Peter Graf wrote:

Hi Fabrizio,


Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion (Thanks)

How do you come to the idea your SER-USB adaptor supports 460 kBaud,
even PC to PC?

The required RS-232 line drivers are very seldom!
Peter




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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Dave Park via Ql-Users]

I'm just happy that 230k has been shown to be physically possible on the
Q68 hardware. When mine comes, I'll test it with my Q68 wifi/bluetooth
dongle. If it works, I might make that the default configuration. I mean,
it is literally 2x as fast.

My serial wifi dongle and GPIO card (details on the QL Forum) will be
available February 14th and cost £39.

For those who don't follow the QL Forum, I am releasing a significant new
item of hardware every week or two. So far, a buck regulator for £7,
Minerva ROMs on carrier boards for £5, the last of the first batch of
miniplanes (now sold out), a Q68 wifi, bluetooth and GPIO dongle with
encryption engine, which can access secure sites, do DNS resolution, and is
working internet on your Q68, Q40 or Q60. A QL version will be available in
probably 2-3 months once more testing is done (but the 9600baud effective
useful limit makes it a bit unpleasant for anything but moving small
amounts of data).

I have two *HUGE* new items coming up in the next few weeks :D

All items go on sale February 14th, and will only be sold if in stock,
ready to ship. Flat rate shipping from the US is £10, so this lets people
order multiple items for a single shipping cost. All mail send by tracked
express mail.


On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Hi Fabrizio,
>
> > Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion
> (Thanks)
>
> How do you come to the idea your SER-USB adaptor supports 460 kBaud,
> even PC to PC?
>
> The required RS-232 line drivers are very seldom!
> Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi Fabrizio,

> Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion (Thanks)

How do you come to the idea your SER-USB adaptor supports 460 kBaud,
even PC to PC?

The required RS-232 line drivers are very seldom!
Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users]

So far, I used 230400 in a reliable way (not extensively tested...), i 
did not notice anything wrong, moreover this speed (230400) it is a 
reasonable compromise vs response time expected, 115200 is a bit slow 
for my taste. The setting I used on PC side was 8bit data and no flow 
control. Sernet I use is version 2.25, btw is a newer version somewhere 
available?


Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion (Thanks)

Fabrizio


On 20/01/2018 13:04, Derek via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi,
When using Q68 to QPC2 on a PC using Sernet, I have found it is the PC serial 
port that limits the serial port speed to 115200 Baud.
But Q68 to Q68 can achieve higher serial speeds.
Sernet requires RTS/CTS for flow control, which on the Q68 is pulled high and 
not available.
Pity the Sernet source code was not available so a software flow control could 
used like XON/XOFF.
But on saying all that Sernet does work on Q68 to QPC2, QXL. Not tried Atari ST 
QL emulator yet.
RegardsDerek
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<ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> Date: 20/01/2018  11:19  (GMT+00:00) To: 
ql-us...@q-v-d.com Cc: Peter Graf <pg...@q40.de> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud
Hi Fabrizio,


Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is?

460 kBaud for the hardware itself (UART and RS-232 driver). But for the
overall system, max. 115 kBaud is specified in the Manual. Beyond that
it has not been sufficiently tested.

Please note that many USB-SER converters for PC start getting unreliable
at 230 kBaud already.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users]

NB : you would also have to add a new prescale value at label prescale
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users]

Hi Fabrizio,

you can find that in smsq_q68_spp_ser_asm.

There , if you want, you can extend the little table at label "bauds" 
beyond 230400. Also change the value of "moveq #8,d3" just above the 
label bd_lp, probably to 9 if you only add one more value.


HTH

Wolfgang.






Hi all,

I have (finally) found some time to check Sernet connection between my 
Q68 and QPC under Win10 (Mac Book using Parallel). To get COM1 I use a 
USB-> RS232 converter


As expected Sernet works perfectly until 230400 Baud (19200*12), to get 
more speed I tried  460800 (19200*24) but I got a "not implemented 
error". All speed more than 230400 get a not implementation error in any 
SMSQ/E system (QPC /Q68/Q60). I think that SMSQmulator don't have SER 
driver.


I had a look at the SMSQE 3.32 sources and there are 2 "baud.asm" in 
smsq/spp and sbext/ext but i cannot find where the speed check is.


Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is? and where 
the SMSQ/e check this ?


Many thanks to any of the Guru that would like to answer:-):-)

Regards

Fabrizio

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[pjwitte via Ql-Users]

On 20/01/2018 13:04, Derek via Ql-Users wrote:


<> Not tried Atari ST QL emulator yet.
The QVME graphics card used with the ST has a fast serial port. I got 
the best speeds with that. 230k, I believe, between my Mega ST + QVME 
and a PC (in the days when PCs had real serial ports).


Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi Fabrizio,

> Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is?

460 kBaud for the hardware itself (UART and RS-232 driver). But for the
overall system, max. 115 kBaud is specified in the Manual. Beyond that
it has not been sufficiently tested.

Please note that many USB-SER converters for PC start getting unreliable
at 230 kBaud already.

Peter
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[Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

[Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users]

Hi all,

I have (finally) found some time to check Sernet connection between my 
Q68 and QPC under Win10 (Mac Book using Parallel). To get COM1 I use a 
USB-> RS232 converter


As expected Sernet works perfectly until 230400 Baud (19200*12), to get 
more speed I tried  460800 (19200*24) but I got a "not implemented 
error". All speed more than 230400 get a not implementation error in any 
SMSQ/E system (QPC /Q68/Q60). I think that SMSQmulator don't have SER 
driver.


I had a look at the SMSQE 3.32 sources and there are 2 "baud.asm" in 
smsq/spp and sbext/ext but i cannot find where the speed check is.


Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is? and where 
the SMSQ/e check this ?


Many thanks to any of the Guru that would like to answer:-):-)

Regards

Fabrizio

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[Ql-Users] Q68 Order Process

[Derek via Ql-Users]

Hi,

My apologies for the delay in the commencement of the Q68 order process. There 
was a  little more work involved with the Q68 case. I have completed this work 
and am in a position to start supplying the Q68.

I have created a list of people that have shown interest in the Q68. Which was 
sourced from QL Forum (UK,DE), QL Users list, email. The order of the list is 
based on the date of interest shown. 

I will contact each person to establish the validity of the Q68 order, with 
specfic instructions to start the order process.

I have revised the cost of the Q68, this due to the work involved with the Q68 
Case and assembling the Q68 main board into the case. 

The revised prices are:

Q68 Main Board:  £150.00
Q68 built into custom case: £180.00
PS/2 Splitter: £2.00
Regards,
Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Notice 3 - Update

[Dave Park via Ql-Users]

Yay!

Mostly, glad your recovery is going well. Like most people, I am looking
forward to finding out my position in the queue.

Dave

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 5:50 AM, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> There are some new updated features of the Q68.
>
>
> Q68 Features
> 
>
> Q68 Video modes:
>
> 0. Standard QL MODE 8 256x256 pixel (8 colours)
> 1. Standard QL MODE 4 512x256 pixel (4 colours)
> 2. Q40/Q60 highcolour mode 512x256 pixel (65536 colours)
> 3. Q40/Q60 highcolour mode 1024x512 pixel (65536 colours)
> 4. High resolution QL MODE 4 1024x768 pixel (4 colours)
> 5. Aurora mode 1024x768 pixel, 256 (colours)
> 6. Medium resolution highcolour mode 512x384 pixel (65536 colours)
>
> Monochrome display:
>
> In the standard QL modes and the high resolution mode 4, the Q68 offers
> special monochrome display functions, in black & white, amber or green
> colour, even if you attach a colour monitor.
>
> Sound:
>
> The Q68 provides a stereo sampled sound system. Digital-analog conversion
> uses 20kHz sample rate and hardware FIFO buffering for up to 1024 samples.
> Combined line / headphone output on jack socket.
>
> SDHC Drive Interfaces:
>
> The Q68 contains hardware for two independent SDHC card interfaces.
> Fullsize card slots are provided for easier handling and copying of data
> between two cards. One 4Gb SDHC Card Supplied with SMSQ/E Operating System.
>
> Realtime Clock:
>
> DS1374C-33 real time clock.
>
> Longlife super-capacitor for oscillator supply backup during power-off
> Integrated recharge capability.
>
>
> I/O Ports:
>
> Serial port with up to 115200 (46) Baud, external 9 pin SubD connector.
>
> I2C Interface:
>
> Internal 4 pin connector, hardware compatible with Minerva MKII I2C
> devices.
>
> Extension Bus:
>
> The Q68 mainboard contains a parallel extension bus with 8 bit
> data/address bus and control signals for the possibility of add-ons.
>
> Ethernet:
>
> The Q68 has an on-board CP2200 ethernet controller with integrated IEEE
> 802.3 MAC and 10 Base-T PHY. At the time this manual was written, no Q68
> specific software support for the CP2200 was released.
>
> Board Size:
>
> The Q68 mainboard has a size of 8cm x 10cm and can be mounted in an
> available case.
>
> Power Supply:
>
> The Q68 is powered by a standard regulated 5V supply with 2.1 mm coaxial
> plug.
>
> Recommended Power Supply provide at least 1A for the devices that are
> usually attached, for example keyboard, mouse and SDHC cards.
>
> Power supply not provided with Q68, due to country differences in voltage
> and mains pin configuration.
>
> PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse:
>
> 6-pin female Mini DIN connector.
>
> Keyboard and mouse ports are separate, but to save space, a combined
> connector with signals for both ports is provided.
>
> A standard PS/2 keyboard can directly be plugged into the mainboard. If a
> mouse is also used, an additional PS/2 splitter cable is required.
>
> Note: Splitter cables for PC notebooks usually have the mouse signals
> where the Q68 has keyboard. The mouse and keyboard require swapping, when
> using such a cable.
>
> A Belkin PS/2 Splitter is available with the correct Q68 Keyboard
> (Purple)/Mouse Green) colour designations.
>
> Mouse versions with scrollwheel are supported, but LEDs inside the
> keyboard are currently not used.
>
>
> Sales Information
> -
>
> Batch 1 consists of 21 x Q68 boards, with options on Case and PS/2
> Splitter cable.
>
> I have created a pre-sales unconfirmed order list, based on the date of
> the interest in purchasing a Q68.
>
> I will be contacting everyone in date order of the enquiry, commencing
> 20/11/17, to confirm the Q68 order and give purchasing information.
>
> Purchasing can be made by Paypal or Bank Transfer, shipping costs be
> calculated based on customer location.
>
> Q68 Batch 2, should be available in December/January
>
>
> ---
> Regards,
>
> Derek
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[Ql-Users] Q68 Notice 3 - Update

[Derek Stewart via Ql-Users]

There are some new updated features of the Q68.


Q68 Features


Q68 Video modes:

0. Standard QL MODE 8 256x256 pixel (8 colours)
1. Standard QL MODE 4 512x256 pixel (4 colours)
2. Q40/Q60 highcolour mode 512x256 pixel (65536 colours)
3. Q40/Q60 highcolour mode 1024x512 pixel (65536 colours)
4. High resolution QL MODE 4 1024x768 pixel (4 colours)
5. Aurora mode 1024x768 pixel, 256 (colours)
6. Medium resolution highcolour mode 512x384 pixel (65536 colours)

Monochrome display:

In the standard QL modes and the high resolution mode 4, the Q68 offers 
special monochrome display functions, in black & white, amber or green 
colour, even if you attach a colour monitor.


Sound:

The Q68 provides a stereo sampled sound system. Digital-analog 
conversion uses 20kHz sample rate and hardware FIFO buffering for up to 
1024 samples. Combined line / headphone output on jack socket.


SDHC Drive Interfaces:

The Q68 contains hardware for two independent SDHC card interfaces. 
Fullsize card slots are provided for easier handling and copying of data 
between two cards. One 4Gb SDHC Card Supplied with SMSQ/E Operating System.


Realtime Clock:

DS1374C-33 real time clock.

Longlife super-capacitor for oscillator supply backup during power-off
Integrated recharge capability.


I/O Ports:

Serial port with up to 115200 (46) Baud, external 9 pin SubD connector.

I2C Interface:

Internal 4 pin connector, hardware compatible with Minerva MKII I2C devices.

Extension Bus:

The Q68 mainboard contains a parallel extension bus with 8 bit 
data/address bus and control signals for the possibility of add-ons.


Ethernet:

The Q68 has an on-board CP2200 ethernet controller with integrated IEEE 
802.3 MAC and 10 Base-T PHY. At the time this manual was written, no Q68 
specific software support for the CP2200 was released.


Board Size:

The Q68 mainboard has a size of 8cm x 10cm and can be mounted in an 
available case.


Power Supply:

The Q68 is powered by a standard regulated 5V supply with 2.1 mm coaxial 
plug.


Recommended Power Supply provide at least 1A for the devices that are 
usually attached, for example keyboard, mouse and SDHC cards.


Power supply not provided with Q68, due to country differences in 
voltage and mains pin configuration.


PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse:

6-pin female Mini DIN connector.

Keyboard and mouse ports are separate, but to save space, a combined 
connector with signals for both ports is provided.


A standard PS/2 keyboard can directly be plugged into the mainboard. If 
a mouse is also used, an additional PS/2 splitter cable is required.


Note: Splitter cables for PC notebooks usually have the mouse signals 
where the Q68 has keyboard. The mouse and keyboard require swapping, 
when using such a cable.


A Belkin PS/2 Splitter is available with the correct Q68 Keyboard 
(Purple)/Mouse Green) colour designations.


Mouse versions with scrollwheel are supported, but LEDs inside the 
keyboard are currently not used.



Sales Information
-

Batch 1 consists of 21 x Q68 boards, with options on Case and PS/2 
Splitter cable.


I have created a pre-sales unconfirmed order list, based on the date of 
the interest in purchasing a Q68.


I will be contacting everyone in date order of the enquiry, commencing 
20/11/17, to confirm the Q68 order and give purchasing information.


Purchasing can be made by Paypal or Bank Transfer, shipping costs be 
calculated based on customer location.


Q68 Batch 2, should be available in December/January


---
Regards,

Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 3 - Delay

[Derek Stewart via Ql-Users]

On 21/10/17 11:33, duncan . via Ql-Users wrote:

Sorry to hear that. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Duncan




Hi,

Everything seems to be healing up OK now.

I have lost a little bit of weight due to not being mobile in hospital, 
so just get a little fitter to complete the final work on the Q68.


The first batch of 20 Q68 PCBs have been completed,

I have a little work on the Q68 case to do, which may involve a price 
change. I will review this and notify the change in due course.


A second batch of Q68 PCBs will be produced after I have completed the 
Q68 Bathc 1 order process.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 3 - Delay

[duncan . via Ql-Users]

Sorry to hear that. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Duncan

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> There will be a slight delay in the availability of the Q68, which I
> stated in a previous message to be available on 09/10/2017
>
> I have had medical problems, I went into hospital on 22/9/17, to have a
> throat operation. This should of been a one day operation.
>
> But there was a problem with the procedure they used and I ended up having
> a Tracheotomy Tube inserted into my airway to keep me alive.
>
> I stayed in The Royal Liverpool Hospital Intensive Care Unit for 12 days
> attached to a ventilator, which was assisting my breathing.
>
> The tube was removed and I was discharged home, to the care of a visiting
> District Nurse. The nurse changes the dressings daily.
>
> I have been home for 2 weeks and just now, starting to regain my strength
> and concentration.
>
> There was a notice posted on the QL Forum, regarding the delay, which
> obviously did not get to everyone.
>
> The new date will be 06/11/2017.
>
> Here is the link to the notice:
>
> http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2120#p19180
>
> I am sorry for the delay, I will try to update everyone on a regular basis.
>
> With regards to availability of the Q68. I have created a list of people
> who showed interest in date order. Which I will contact to arrange the sale
> of the Q68.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Derek
> --
> Regards,
>
> Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 3 - Delay

[Dave Park via Ql-Users]

I hope you make a full recovery and your voice isn't permanently affected.

Dave

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Martyn Hill via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Good morning Derek
>
> What a nightmare for you - we wish you a speedy recovery.
>
> If there is still room left on your first 20 for Q68, could I ask to be
> added (incl. the black case, but no need for the PS/2 splitter).
>
> Regards,
>
> Martyn.
>
>
> On 20/10/2017 09:00, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:
>
>> There will be a slight delay in the availability of the Q68, which I
>> stated in a previous message to be available on 09/10/2017
>>
>> I have had medical problems, I went into hospital on 22/9/17, to have a
>> throat operation. This should of been a one day operation.
>>
>> But there was a problem with the procedure they used and I ended up
>> having a Tracheotomy Tube inserted into my airway to keep me alive.
>>
>> I stayed in The Royal Liverpool Hospital Intensive Care Unit for 12 days
>> attached to a ventilator, which was assisting my breathing.
>>
>> The tube was removed and I was discharged home, to the care of a visiting
>> District Nurse. The nurse changes the dressings daily.
>>
>> I have been home for 2 weeks and just now, starting to regain my strength
>> and concentration.
>>
>> There was a notice posted on the QL Forum, regarding the delay, which
>> obviously did not get to everyone.
>>
>> The new date will be 06/11/2017.
>>
>> Here is the link to the notice:
>>
>> http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2120#p19180
>>
>> I am sorry for the delay, I will try to update everyone on a regular
>> basis.
>>
>> With regards to availability of the Q68. I have created a list of people
>> who showed interest in date order. Which I will contact to arrange the sale
>> of the Q68.
>>
>>
> --
> "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary
> and those who don't."
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 3 - Delay

[Martyn Hill via Ql-Users]

Good morning Derek

What a nightmare for you - we wish you a speedy recovery.

If there is still room left on your first 20 for Q68, could I ask to be 
added (incl. the black case, but no need for the PS/2 splitter).


Regards,

Martyn.


On 20/10/2017 09:00, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:
There will be a slight delay in the availability of the Q68, which I 
stated in a previous message to be available on 09/10/2017


I have had medical problems, I went into hospital on 22/9/17, to have 
a throat operation. This should of been a one day operation.


But there was a problem with the procedure they used and I ended up 
having a Tracheotomy Tube inserted into my airway to keep me alive.


I stayed in The Royal Liverpool Hospital Intensive Care Unit for 12 
days attached to a ventilator, which was assisting my breathing.


The tube was removed and I was discharged home, to the care of a 
visiting District Nurse. The nurse changes the dressings daily.


I have been home for 2 weeks and just now, starting to regain my 
strength and concentration.


There was a notice posted on the QL Forum, regarding the delay, which 
obviously did not get to everyone.


The new date will be 06/11/2017.

Here is the link to the notice:

http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2120#p19180

I am sorry for the delay, I will try to update everyone on a regular 
basis.


With regards to availability of the Q68. I have created a list of 
people who showed interest in date order. Which I will contact to 
arrange the sale of the Q68.




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who don't."

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 3 - Delay

[Gerhard Plavec via Ql-Users]

Best wishes for reconvalecense

Gerhard

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[Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 3 - Delay

[Derek Stewart via Ql-Users]

There will be a slight delay in the availability of the Q68, which I 
stated in a previous message to be available on 09/10/2017


I have had medical problems, I went into hospital on 22/9/17, to have a 
throat operation. This should of been a one day operation.


But there was a problem with the procedure they used and I ended up 
having a Tracheotomy Tube inserted into my airway to keep me alive.


I stayed in The Royal Liverpool Hospital Intensive Care Unit for 12 days 
attached to a ventilator, which was assisting my breathing.


The tube was removed and I was discharged home, to the care of a 
visiting District Nurse. The nurse changes the dressings daily.


I have been home for 2 weeks and just now, starting to regain my 
strength and concentration.


There was a notice posted on the QL Forum, regarding the delay, which 
obviously did not get to everyone.


The new date will be 06/11/2017.

Here is the link to the notice:

http://www.qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2120#p19180

I am sorry for the delay, I will try to update everyone on a regular basis.

With regards to availability of the Q68. I have created a list of people 
who showed interest in date order. Which I will contact to arrange the 
sale of the Q68.


--
Regards,

Derek
--
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[John Alexander via Ql-Users]

Put us down for a board and case Derek.John Alexander

  From: Derek Stewart via Ql-Users <ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com>
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Cc: Derek Stewart <de...@q40.de>
 Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2017, 9:21
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing
   
Q68 Price List - Batch 1
---

Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
Black Case: £20
Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00

General Release date: 09/10/2017

20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.

Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
manufactured.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi Gerhard,

>> 3. There can be no promise of ethernet software drivers, although
>>I would like them for myself, building upon my QLwIP project.
> 
> Tell me(us) more about your QLwIP project (no need of inventing diversity of 
> projects)

QLwIP is a combination of

- A QDOS native TCP/IP Stack
- QDOS native drivers for SER (SLIP) and ethernet (Q40 & Q60)
- Text mode Webbrowser
- Mail client (SMTP & POP3)
- Webserver

I did most of the work about 15 years ago and have publicly demonstrated
that QLwIP works, but never finished it to public release for various
reasons. If I find the time someday, I could adapt it to Q68 and SMSQ/E.
Since the Q68 ethernet hardware differs a lot from the Q40/Q60, this
driver part must be rewritten.

Also there are new difficulties, like the fact that most email providers
no longer offer unencrypted SMTP & POP3 access.

So, no promise.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[Gerhard Plavec via Ql-Users]

Gesendet mit meinenm iPad

Am 09.09.17 um 11:43 schrieb Peter Graf via Ql-Users

> Hi all,
> 
> before placing orders, please take this into consideration:
> 
> 1. The Q68 is not a high-end machine like the Q60 in terms of speed.
>If in doubt, please wait for benchmarks.

Speed is not a problem as I am running original QL without any extention as 
well QPC-II on newest Macs and PCs

> 2. I developed the Q68 strictly as a hobby project, absolutely for free,
>and support will be only by communitly forum or mailing list.

Thank you very much and ok.

> 3. There can be no promise of ethernet software drivers, although
>I would like them for myself, building upon my QLwIP project.

Tell me(us) more about your QLwIP project (no need of inventing diversity of 
projects)

> 4. Documentation may come delayed, or in limited fashion.
> 
> All the best
> Peter
> 
> 
> Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:
> > Q68 Price List - Batch 1
> > ---
> > 
> > Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
> > Black Case: £20
> > Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00
> > 
> > General Release date: 09/10/2017
> > 
> > 20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.
> > 
> > Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
> > manufactured.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi all,

before placing orders, please take this into consideration:

1. The Q68 is not a high-end machine like the Q60 in terms of speed.
   If in doubt, please wait for benchmarks.

2. I developed the Q68 strictly as a hobby project, absolutely for free,
   and support will be only by communitly forum or mailing list.

3. There can be no promise of ethernet software drivers, although
   I would like them for myself, building upon my QLwIP project.

4. Documentation may come delayed, or in limited fashion.

All the best
Peter


Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:
> Q68 Price List - Batch 1
> ---
> 
> Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
> Black Case: £20
> Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00
> 
> General Release date: 09/10/2017
> 
> 20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.
> 
> Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
> manufactured.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[Urs Koenig (QL) via Ql-Users]

Good news! Derek, please put me down for one Q68 plus case and PS/2 splitter. 
Thank you!

QL forever!

Urs
http://www.sinclairql.net/ - THE DISTRIBUTION, QL/E and more...

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Im Auftrag von
> Derek Stewart via Ql-Users
> Gesendet: Samstag, 9. September 2017 10:22
> An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Cc: Derek Stewart
> Betreff: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing
> 
> Q68 Price List - Batch 1
> ---
> 
> Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00 Black Case: £20 Belkin Black
> PS/2 spliter: £2.00
> 
> General Release date: 09/10/2017
> 
> 20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.
> 
> Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be
> manufactured.
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[RWAP Software via Ql-Users]

Excellent - why not put some on sellmyretro as a pre-order that will 
help you keep track of orders / interest more easily.


Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com

On 2017-09-09 09:27, Lee via Ql-Users wrote:

How to reserve Derek? I would like one.

Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Sep 2017, at 09:21, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users 
 wrote:


Q68 Price List - Batch 1
---

Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
Black Case: £20
Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00

General Release date: 09/10/2017

20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.

Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
manufactured.



--
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[Gerhard Plavec via Ql-Users]

I would like to order 2 Q68 boards

Please tell me how (and where) to pay £300 ?

Regards,

Gerhard Plavec

-

Am 09.09.17 um 10:21 schrieb Derek Stewart via Ql-Users

> Q68 Price List - Batch 1
> ---
> 
> Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
> Black Case: £20
> Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00
> 
> General Release date: 09/10/2017
> 
> 20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.
> 
> Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
> manufactured.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Derek
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[Lee via Ql-Users]

How to reserve Derek? I would like one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Sep 2017, at 09:21, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Q68 Price List - Batch 1
> ---
> 
> Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
> Black Case: £20
> Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00
> 
> General Release date: 09/10/2017
> 
> 20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.
> 
> Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be manufactured.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Derek
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[Ql-Users] Q68 Advance Notice 2 - Pricing

[Derek Stewart via Ql-Users]

Q68 Price List - Batch 1
---

Q68 board, 4Gb SDHC Card, SMSQ/E: £150.00
Black Case: £20
Belkin Black PS/2 spliter: £2.00

General Release date: 09/10/2017

20 completed and tested Q68 boards, available.

Once this quantity is exceeded, I will order more Q68 PCBs to be 
manufactured.



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[Urs Koenig (QL) via Ql-Users]

Peter wrote:
> I hope to be able to comment more about the Q68 at a later time, right now
> let me say thanks to...
> 
> ... Laurence Reeves and Tony Firshman for releasing Minerva as free QL
> operating system, motivating me to develop the Q68 at all
> 
> ... Richard Zidlicky for bringing Minerva plus PS/2 driver to the Q68 and
his
> great help debugging CPU cores
> 
> ... Mark Swift for QDOS Classic, structured so nicely that even I could
port it to
> the Q68 in a single day
> 
> ... Tobias Gubener for the CPU core the Q68 finally uses
> 
> ... Adrian Ives for the QL-SD driver, initially used for Q68 mass storage
> 
> ... Tony Tebby for relasing SMSQ/E as free software after all
> 
> ... Wolfgang Lenerz for his outstanding achievement of porting SMSQ/E to
> the Q68
> 
> ... Wolfgang Lenerz again for very helpful tools, extra drivers and docs
> 
> ... Derek Stewart for his courage and lots of work manufacturing the Q68
> hardware and making it available for the public
This "who's who" is a kind of an extract of the all-time QL hall of fame.

But for the Q68 I believe the real work was done by Peter (HW) and Wolfgang
(OS) plus Derek (Manufacturing). Hence they deserve the roses.

QL forever!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advanced Notice

[Urs Koenig (QL) via Ql-Users]

Derek wrote:
> Q68 Advanced Notice
> ---
> 
> PCB Photograph available at:
> 
> http://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2082#p18729
> 
> Features:
> 
> - Operating System: SMSQ/E
> - CPU: 68000 compatible
> - Speed: 40Mhz
> - RAM: 32 MB
> - SDHC: Two fullsize slots, hot plugging
> - QXL.WIN style storage container format
> - Keyboard and mouse: Combined PS/2 Connection, scrollwheel support
> - VGA: 1024x768 VESA for flatscreen, CRT or HDMI converter
> - Graphic modes:
>  -  256x256 QL Mode 8
>  -  512x256 QL Mode 4
>  -  512x256 Q60 65536 colour
>  - 1024x512 Q60 65536 colour
>  - 1024x768 QL Mode 4
>  -  512x384 Q60 65536 colour
> - Serial port
> - Stereo sampled sound, 3.5 mm output socket
> - Buffered real time clock
> - I2C interface
> - Ethernet, no software support yet
> - QL style LED colours
> - PCB Size: 8x10 cm
> - Recommended power supply: 5V @ 1A
> - Silent operation, no fans or heat
> - Case: Optional
> 
> Available: Mid October 2017
> Price: To be decided

Great announcement! I intend to buy one or two for my own tinkering.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advanced Notice

[Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users]

Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:
> Q68 Advanced Notice
> ---
>
> PCB Photograph available at:
>
> http://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2082#p18729

Looking nice, congrats to Peter and Derek for pulling it off.

Pity that there is no standard resolution high colour mode (I once
suggested an Aurora compatible 102x768 mode as a compromise as memory
bandwith is the key here). But anyway, very cool that this finally
sees the light of day.

Cheers, Marcel


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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advanced Notice

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:

> Q68 Advanced Notice
> ---
> [snip]

I hope to be able to comment more about the Q68 at a later time, right
now let me say thanks to...

... Laurence Reeves and Tony Firshman for releasing Minerva as free QL
operating system, motivating me to develop the Q68 at all

... Richard Zidlicky for bringing Minerva plus PS/2 driver to the Q68
and his great help debugging CPU cores

... Mark Swift for QDOS Classic, structured so nicely that even I could
port it to the Q68 in a single day

... Tobias Gubener for the CPU core the Q68 finally uses

... Adrian Ives for the QL-SD driver, initially used for Q68 mass storage

... Tony Tebby for relasing SMSQ/E as free software after all

... Wolfgang Lenerz for his outstanding achievement of porting SMSQ/E to
the Q68

... Wolfgang Lenerz again for very helpful tools, extra drivers and docs

... Derek Stewart for his courage and lots of work manufacturing the Q68
hardware and making it available for the public

All the best
Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Advanced Notice

[Lee Privett via Ql-Users]

Put me down for one
Regards Lee
On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 at 09:52, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Q68 Advanced Notice
> ---
>
> PCB Photograph available at:
>
> http://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2082#p18729
>
> Features:
>
> - Operating System: SMSQ/E
> - CPU: 68000 compatible
> - Speed: 40Mhz
> - RAM: 32 MB
> - SDHC: Two fullsize slots, hot plugging
> - QXL.WIN style storage container format
> - Keyboard and mouse: Combined PS/2 Connection, scrollwheel support
> - VGA: 1024x768 VESA for flatscreen, CRT or HDMI converter
> - Graphic modes:
>  -  256x256 QL Mode 8
>  -  512x256 QL Mode 4
>  -  512x256 Q60 65536 colour
>  - 1024x512 Q60 65536 colour
>  - 1024x768 QL Mode 4
>  -  512x384 Q60 65536 colour
> - Serial port
> - Stereo sampled sound, 3.5 mm output socket
> - Buffered real time clock
> - I2C interface
> - Ethernet, no software support yet
> - QL style LED colours
> - PCB Size: 8x10 cm
> - Recommended power supply: 5V @ 1A
> - Silent operation, no fans or heat
> - Case: Optional
>
> Available: Mid October 2017
> Price: To be decided
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[Ql-Users] Q68 Advanced Notice

[Derek Stewart via Ql-Users]

Q68 Advanced Notice
---

PCB Photograph available at:

http://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2=2082#p18729

Features:

- Operating System: SMSQ/E
- CPU: 68000 compatible
- Speed: 40Mhz
- RAM: 32 MB
- SDHC: Two fullsize slots, hot plugging
- QXL.WIN style storage container format
- Keyboard and mouse: Combined PS/2 Connection, scrollwheel support
- VGA: 1024x768 VESA for flatscreen, CRT or HDMI converter
- Graphic modes:
-  256x256 QL Mode 8
-  512x256 QL Mode 4
-  512x256 Q60 65536 colour
- 1024x512 Q60 65536 colour
- 1024x768 QL Mode 4
-  512x384 Q60 65536 colour
- Serial port
- Stereo sampled sound, 3.5 mm output socket
- Buffered real time clock
- I2C interface
- Ethernet, no software support yet
- QL style LED colours
- PCB Size: 8x10 cm
- Recommended power supply: 5V @ 1A
- Silent operation, no fans or heat
- Case: Optional

Available: Mid October 2017
Price: To be decided
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Ian Pine]

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de

To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:41 PM
Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68



Malcolm Lear wrote:


I really like the idea of the Q68. Of all these options its the only
one I'd go out and buy. What sort of CPU speed are talking about and
will the FPGA design files be available to modify?


If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
between SuperGoldCard and Q40.

For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
be asked for more.

I'm also considering to release the board schematics at some point. In
this case, a person with FPGA skills could use the board for general
purposes. For example, I have successfully tried two different RISC CPUs
on the Q68, but I did not design any memory or video controllers for 
those.


Peter


Of all the options, the Q68 interests me most, subject to final price of 
course. I am already considering 'retiring' my Q40 - a big ugly box which 
makes a noise like a vacuum cleaner compared to modern hardware (especially 
my silent Raspberry Pi), with no USB support and a dodgy image on an LCD 
screen it's just become clutter.


My only worry is that by the time the Q68 becomes a product it will already 
be obsolete, i.e. restricted to old type/speed/capacity of SD memory or 
whatever removable media type is adopted. What about support for other 
essential peripherals, i.e. keyboard, mouse, monitor - HDMI, DVI or just old 
VGA?  If it was right up to date when released I would be interested. 200 
euros? Maybe if the exchange rate improved to make it a lot less in pounds. 
Oh, and the filesystem would have to support any size of SD card the 
hardware supports.


Ian. 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Ian Pine]

Oops, ignore that last message, it's a repeat of an old one. Computer glitch - 
(fixed an email problem and didn't realise an unsent message was lurking in 
outbox).

- Ian Pine ilp...@tesco.net wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:41 PM
 Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68
 
 
  Malcolm Lear wrote:
 
  I really like the idea of the Q68. Of all these options its the only
  one I'd go out and buy. What sort of CPU speed are talking about and
  will the FPGA design files be available to modify?
 
  If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
  between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
  between SuperGoldCard and Q40.
 
  For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
  expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
  be asked for more.
 
  I'm also considering to release the board schematics at some point. In
  this case, a person with FPGA skills could use the board for general
  purposes. For example, I have successfully tried two different RISC CPUs
  on the Q68, but I did not design any memory or video controllers for 
  those.
 
  Peter
 
 Of all the options, the Q68 interests me most, subject to final price of 
 course. I am already considering 'retiring' my Q40 - a big ugly box which 
 makes a noise like a vacuum cleaner compared to modern hardware (especially 
 my silent Raspberry Pi), with no USB support and a dodgy image on an LCD 
 screen it's just become clutter.
 
 My only worry is that by the time the Q68 becomes a product it will already 
 be obsolete, i.e. restricted to old type/speed/capacity of SD memory or 
 whatever removable media type is adopted. What about support for other 
 essential peripherals, i.e. keyboard, mouse, monitor - HDMI, DVI or just old 
 VGA?  If it was right up to date when released I would be interested. 200 
 euros? Maybe if the exchange rate improved to make it a lot less in pounds. 
 Oh, and the filesystem would have to support any size of SD card the 
 hardware supports.
 
 Ian. 
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Ian Pine]

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:41 PM
Subject: [Ql-Users] Q68


 Malcolm Lear wrote:

 I really like the idea of the Q68. Of all these options its the only
 one I'd go out and buy. What sort of CPU speed are talking about and
 will the FPGA design files be available to modify?

 If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
 between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
 between SuperGoldCard and Q40.

 For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
 expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
 be asked for more.

 I'm also considering to release the board schematics at some point. In
 this case, a person with FPGA skills could use the board for general
 purposes. For example, I have successfully tried two different RISC CPUs
 on the Q68, but I did not design any memory or video controllers for 
 those.

 Peter

Of all the options, the Q68 interests me most, subject to final price of 
course. I am already considering 'retiring' my Q40 - a big ugly box which makes 
a noise like a vacuum cleaner compared to modern hardware (especially my silent 
Raspberry Pi), with no USB support and a dodgy image on an LCD screen it's just 
become clutter.

My only worry is that by the time the Q68 becomes a product it will already be 
obsolete, i.e. restricted to old type/speed/capacity of SD memory or whatever 
removable media type is adopted.

What about support for other essential peripherals, i.e. keyboard (USB or 
PS/2?), mouse, monitor - HDMI, DVI or just old VGA?  If it was right up to date 
when released I would be interested. Oh, and the filesystem would have to 
support any size of SD card the hardware supports.


200 euros? Maybe if the exchange rate improved to make it a lot less in 
sterling.

Ian. 
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[nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk]

Morning all,

Have you (all) considered a Kickstarter campaign to finance these boards? It 
has worked for other stuff plus, if you don't raise all the required finance, 
nobody has to pay anything. All the backers will pay when you reach the target.

Just a thought.

Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Peter Graf]

Mark Martin wrote:

 The Q68 is a functional system on a finished PCB, actually running QDOS
 Classic and Minerva.
 
 Do you have an estimate of a price range?

The potential person who builds the Q68 should have the freedom to
define a profit margin for his/her work. So I can not discuss this in
public, but I know the prices of course.

 You're obviously more than entitled to recuperate your RD and production
 costs and make a little for yourself. I just suspect this tiny market may
 not bear much. From my perspective, Spartan 3E equivalent dev boards are
 less than $100 nowadays, and you have boards like Papilon and the
 fore-mentioned ArcadeFPGA. That stuff is ubiquitous. I have no doubt your
 board is better in many respects, but I'm personally not interested in a
 200 euro board. Maybe others might be.

I read that ArcadeFPGA is 199 to 229 Euro, while you are not interested
in a 200 Euro board. Ahem?

As for development boards:

1) You never find just the memory/peripherals you want, and which have a
real chance to be supported by QL software. Native QL requires
simplicity, or will never be finished.

2) In the rare case you find a board which includes almost what you
want, it is big or expensive or does not fit into an existing case.

3) Development kits tend to disappear from one day to another. If I had
used a development board at the time I started the Q68 development, it
would long be obsolete.

In addition to that, I'm not talking a start at zero, looking for a
board. I do have a finished board design. The bigger challenges are
elsewhere.

Moving to a different board would cost lots of additional time.
Different memory, different connectors, different support chips, new pin
mapping, different timings, different bugs to work around, different tools.

The goal is to save time, not to spend even more ;-)

Peter

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[Ql-Users] Q68

[Peter Graf]

Malcolm Lear wrote:

 I really like the idea of the Q68. Of all these options its the only
 one I'd go out and buy. What sort of CPU speed are talking about and
 will the FPGA design files be available to modify?

If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
between SuperGoldCard and Q40.

For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
be asked for more.

I'm also considering to release the board schematics at some point. In
this case, a person with FPGA skills could use the board for general
purposes. For example, I have successfully tried two different RISC CPUs
on the Q68, but I did not design any memory or video controllers for those.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Malcolm Lear]

On 14/09/2013 15:41, Peter Graf wrote:

Malcolm Lear wrote:


I really like the idea of the Q68. Of all these options its the only
one I'd go out and buy. What sort of CPU speed are talking about and
will the FPGA design files be available to modify?

If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
between SuperGoldCard and Q40.

For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
be asked for more.

I'm also considering to release the board schematics at some point. In
this case, a person with FPGA skills could use the board for general
purposes. For example, I have successfully tried two different RISC CPUs
on the Q68, but I did not design any memory or video controllers for those.

Peter
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That's excellent Peter, thanks!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Marcel Kilgus]

Peter Graf wrote:
 If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
 between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
 between SuperGoldCard and Q40.

 For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
 expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
 be asked for more.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use an existing board like replay/fpga
arcade, which already incorporates a working 68020 IP core (for AMIGA
/Atari emulation) and apply your knowledge and existing cores there?
Even their first batch consisted of 150 boards, which might be more
than QL users still out there ;)

Just my 10ct.

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Peter Graf]

Mark Martin wrote:

 Do you have a working 68K core with all the support chips?

The Q68 is a functional system on a finished PCB, actually running QDOS
Classic and Minerva.

 What would
 convince you to release that so that efforts could be made to port that to
 inexpensive dev kits?

Sorry, I can not spend additional time to support even more boards,
while having a better, already finished board.

I designed the Q68, because those kits were more expensive to
manufacture, bigger, and did not contain all the hardware I found suitable.

 I know this runs contrary to the current QL culture of charging for every
 little thing, but if a semi working core were made available, I'd be
 interested in putting what little expertise I have to help finish it. But
 only on commodity hardware now that it's becoming ubiquitous (e.g.
 arcadefpga)

I have spent many hundreds of working hours for the Q68 - for free.
(And by the way, we are not talking some tinkered breadboard, but a
professional PCB design, certainly better than average industry quality.)

I spent money for tools and prototyping which I do not seek to recover.

Even if I have to purchase production parts myself (and I'd be glad if
someone else can do that job) I would do it on zero profit basis.

Given those facts, remarks like charging for every little thing are a
way to remove the rest of motivation for QL work I had left.

Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68

[Peter Graf]

Am 14.09.2013 23:47, schrieb Marcel Kilgus:
 Peter Graf wrote:
 If I find the time to design suitable caches, I expect CPU core speed
 between 32 and 40 MHz. At 20 MHz, the Dhrystone benchmark gave something
 between SuperGoldCard and Q40.

 For the general public, I might hold back some design files until
 expenses for manufacturing have been covered. On a personal basis, I can
 be asked for more.
 
 Wouldn't it make more sense to use an existing board like replay/fpga
 arcade, which already incorporates a working 68020 IP core (for AMIGA
 /Atari emulation) and apply your knowledge and existing cores there?
 Even their first batch consisted of 150 boards, which might be more
 than QL users still out there ;)
 
 Just my 10ct.
 
 Cheers, Marcel

Compared to that beast, the Q68 is a beauty, smaller and less expensive
even if we make only 10 ;-)

Peter

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