date:20130416

In the recent Suntour thread Philip mentioned the Short Rear Cassette 
Hubhttps://stan-pun.squarespace.com/hubs/(O.L.D. 120mm).  It's not listed in 
the new Merry Sales/Manny Acosta 
catalogue, but I did find mention of it on the Soma 
Bloghttp://somafab.blogspot.com/2013/03/sun-xcd-cranks-and-hubs.html. 
 Anybody know anything about it?  Is there a comparable hub available out 
there?  Seems like another great component to corrupt my Quickbeam with.  

-Jay B.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 22:06 -0700, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
 Thanks for bringing up those points, Jan - I'm not specifically
 against freewheels.  My experience was that I regularly bent axles on
 my old mtb which had a freewheel and never had that problem with any
 freehubs.  My recollection was that the mtb (which was a six speed
 1983 drivetrain) had narrower cones than my XT and DuraAce freehubs.
 But again, no data to back that up.

That's not the only, or even the worst, problem with freewheels.  By
design, pedaling tightens a freewheel.  On a tandem or on a bike ridden
by a very strong rider, they get screwed on so tight it's difficult if
not outright impossible to remove them.  What's more, the tremendous
force needed (we're talking about six foot cheater bars here, no
exaggeration) is channeled through a couple of small notches or a
handful of splines, which readily strip out.


 
 And I guess the point I was really trying to make stemmed from your
 comment about the loss of tooling, expertise and the necessary
 economies of scale involved in making a quality freewheel today.
 Since most of the bicycle market probably is less likely to support
 it, it seems freewheel production isn't likely to increase.  But since
 there are plenty of freehubs around, why not continue to let them make
 the ratchety bits and focus on making something that is not designed
 to shift in a crosswind.  Okay, that's overstating it, but it seems to
 me that creating a longer-toothed cassette of longer-wearing material
 might be a simpler option. 
 
 I just recall walking into the old shops and looking at the cog board
 in the back.  It seems like it should be comparatively easy to come up
 with a similar solution.  

That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even
back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that
made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total
market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the
readership of this google group.


 Though I'm ignorant of any constraints which are in place for makers
 having to license the interface spline from Shimano.  
 
 - Jim / cyclofiend.com
 
 
 
 On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:43:36 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
 The bearings spacing on most cassette hubs is no different
 from that of a freewheel hub. With the exception of Shimano
 and Mavic and a few small makers, all freehubs have the hub
 bearings under the flanges, more or less. As long as the axle
 is properly designed, that is not a problem.
 
 The problem with most freewheel hubs were the thin axles. They
 were designed for 4-speed and 115 mm spacing. With that short
 overhang, no problem. Then they added another 5 mm on the
 drive-side for 5-speed, and it was getting marginal. Then they
 added another 6 mm to use 6-speed, and the design no longer
 worked. They now had more than twice the lever as before, yet
 kept the diameter of the axle the same. It's surprising that
 it worked as well as it did!
 
 Adding grooves in the axle on both sides made the problem
 worse. (Who needs to adjust their hub on both sides? Maxi put
 the grooves on the non-drive side only, so you adjusted only
 that side.)
 
 There are plenty of freewheel hubs that don't break axles.
 Don't conclude from a poor execution that the entire concept
 is flawed. Cassette hubs have their own design problems. The
 biggest one is that the bearings under the cassette have to be
 relatively small.
 
 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 http://www.bikequarterly.com
 
 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
 
 On Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:22:59 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim
 wrote:
  
 But, I'm not real keen on going back to the narrow
 bearing spacing from the freewheel days.  (Bent waaay
 too many axles back then.)  


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[RBW] Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

Mark, when you took a spin on my Disc Trucker, you may have noticed the bar was 
a swept back design (a Fatback segmented Ti bar), although the sweep is modest 
compared to the Albatross or Bosco bars. I also use the Soma Clarence, which is 
similar, on two other bikes. I would urge you to consider the Clarence. 
Everybody seems to like it. Unfortunately it doesn't come in silver. Back and 
white only.

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[RBW] Re: OT-Cool Lugged bike for 7 year old (has to be girly)

2013-04-16 Thread Leslie

We bought the smallest Trek Skye for my daughter a couple of years ago (she 
was 9 at the time).  She was wanting a purple or pink bike too. We headed 
into the LBS to see what they had, and there in stock was the right size 
bike in a metallic gray, with the decal for it in pink... although she was 
picturing a pink bike, she really liked this one (possibly because it was 
'right there', versus 'still looking'.   But she still likes it.   And, the 
price wasn't bad; even though it was an inexpensive bike, it isn't bad at 
all, it actually quite good.   

I would like to see her on a little Betty Foy, but, I can't quite justify 
that for a kids' bike.

Elephant made a bike for a gal, that I thought was outright awesome.   It 
would be one that I'd be happy to see her on.   Again, tho' I'm sure it 
wouldn't have been anywhere near as cost-effective as the Trek was...




On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:42:01 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 My daughter has all of a sudden taken an interest in my bike collection 
 and keeps hollering at me to build her a cool bike.  I have been looking 
 around CL and ebay but all I see is either old stuff that was crap when new 
 or new stuff that is just crap. Shame girls bikes get the short end of the 
 stick. To add to the challenge my daughter is a princess and wont be seen 
 on something not pink or purple and sparkly. So I could get  something 
 intended for a boy and get  re-spray but I know there are a good bit of 
 parents on here who might have a better idea. Cali said she wants a bike 
 like daddys, not like the ones she sees in walmart, made me smile. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wrong Kind of Tire Tread

2013-04-16 Thread Steven Frederick

I know what you're talking about--I've had this problem a couple of times
with fatter (38+) tires. If I run the front pressure too low, it feels
darty when turning--the front dives into the turn too quickly and feels
unstable. Tracking in a straight line is affected, too--it comes off it's
line too easily and feels unstable. Usually adding 5-10psi is enough to
resolve it without too much impact on comfort...

Steve

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:32 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

35psi.

Hard to explain... I just don't feel as in control as with 33-35mm tires.
Have to adjust slow-speed line more often. Can't ride hands-free at high
speed (still okay at medium). Fast downhill left-right turn transition
feels much less solid. I think raising the pressure would deal with some of
this (had similar issues with 33.3 JB's until I raised psi) but that
negates the benefits of fat tires.

So still playing with them and like a lot, but at this point, high
volume/low pressure has some trade offs.

Cheers,
David

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Mike Schiller
mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote:

what do you mean by squirrely? And what pressure are you running on
them?

~mike

On Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:31:15 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Andy, the Nomads are working out as really good tires for
me.http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8646761258/No complaints
other than being a bit squirrely. Not sure if that's due to
their being so wide, or that I'm underinflating them.
That said, the point I wanted to make is that they are relatively thin.
I haven't had any problems, but I'd rather have something thicker on a
multi-day tour or even commuting. Esteban toured on
themhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7585558050/in/set-72157630609991210and
they held up fine, so YMMV.

Cheers,
David

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54c...@gmail.comwrote:

A buddy and I are headed out for an 8-day ride around eastern oregon
in less than a week. I've been fretting over tires. The Marathon Supremes
that are on there now are not nearly as worn as Jim's tire in the picture
but they're noticeably thinner than new (the rear has a pretty good flat
spot going) and there are plenty of divots, cuts, etc from 20 months of
rolling over road debris. I imagine the old tires will be fine but I'm
tempted to pick up + install new tires (perhaps Resist Nomads) before we
head out.

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[RBW] Re: OT-Cool Lugged bike for 7 year old (has to be girly)

2013-04-16 Thread Leslie

PS:  the nice thing about the Trek, when we first got it, we slammed the 
seat down, then raised it a little, to get the right saddle height.  But w/ 
the post all the way up to the extension line, even I could ride it (and 
I'm six-foot-tall).   So, it's a bike that she can use through college most 
likely.   

Is your daughter a 'tall' seven-year-old?   



On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:

 We bought the smallest Trek Skye for my daughter a couple of years ago 
 (she was 9 at the time).  She was wanting a purple or pink bike too. We 
 headed into the LBS to see what they had, and there in stock was the right 
 size bike in a metallic gray, with the decal for it in pink... although she 
 was picturing a pink bike, she really liked this one (possibly because it 
 was 'right there', versus 'still looking'.   But she still likes it.   And, 
 the price wasn't bad; even though it was an inexpensive bike, it isn't bad 
 at all, it actually quite good.   

 I would like to see her on a little Betty Foy, but, I can't quite justify 
 that for a kids' bike.

 Elephant made a bike for a gal, that I thought was outright awesome.   It 
 would be one that I'd be happy to see her on.   Again, tho' I'm sure it 
 wouldn't have been anywhere near as cost-effective as the Trek was...




 On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:42:01 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 My daughter has all of a sudden taken an interest in my bike collection 
 and keeps hollering at me to build her a cool bike.  I have been looking 
 around CL and ebay but all I see is either old stuff that was crap when new 
 or new stuff that is just crap. Shame girls bikes get the short end of the 
 stick. To add to the challenge my daughter is a princess and wont be seen 
 on something not pink or purple and sparkly. So I could get  something 
 intended for a boy and get  re-spray but I know there are a good bit of 
 parents on here who might have a better idea. Cali said she wants a bike 
 like daddys, not like the ones she sees in walmart, made me smile. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

Steve P nails it. Many of these old-skool design ideas might fill a niche 
within a niche within a niche. Given the previously mentioned issues with 
freewheels, and not many upsides except low cost, the people still using them 
are devoted antiquarians, those who spec dept store bikes, and those of us in 
the business of fixing 1970s bike boom bikes. It's hard to see a new $50+ 
freewheel being a hit with any of those groups. And freewheel connoisseurs are 
not wearing out freewheels fast enough to be much of a target market. Obviously 
Shimano and the smaller companies who make FWs abandoned the high-end segment 
of that market years ago.

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[RBW] FS: 55cm Betty Foy New in Box

2013-04-16 Thread Charlie


Purchased the Betty Foy about a year ago.  I few months after that, a 55cm 
Yves Gomez in  British racing green with the cream head tube showed up on 
the Web Special page and you can guess what happen then.  Thus the Betty 
still sits in the box - I took it out of the box just once to inspect it 
when I received it.

I just got back from my first semi significant ride on the Yves Gomez and 
it is a suburb riding bike.  

Anyway, $900 for the Betty and I would prefer a local sale so I don't have 
to ship although I suspect shipping will probably be necessary

Located in CT

PS:  I also have a never built 52 cm original Rivendell mixte  for sale.  
$2000 - contact me if interested.

Charlie

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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?


I use the Alba bar on two bikes and find it just right , for me.  I 
considered a Bosco to try, but realized it is much further swept back 
toward the rider than even an Alba bar, and this is not what I want.  With 
bar end brake levers and thumbshifters located inside the curves, I have a 
HUGE choice of hand positions !!   From more upright to more aero for big 
headwinds  (as if it really makes a difference at the end of the day 
... lol).  

A version with more rise would be a cool try, but nonetheless I love it as 
it is :)  


BTW ... I ran across a new-er version of Nitto's stem adapters for 
threadless stems ... the MTC-04 Long ! It's a cold forged 225mm long with a 
knurled mounting surface for the stem.  I prefer using these to traditional 
stems as it is sooo simple to change stems and bars !   VO/Genetic makes a 
nice looking one also, as well as the regular length Nitto MTC-04 and 
slightly longer MTC-12.




On Monday, April 15, 2013 1:36:14 PM UTC-4, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 MarkI


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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunTour



On Monday, April 15, 2013 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:

 Is Sun XCD a different company than SR SUNTOUR? 
 https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/

 http://www.srsuntour-cycling.com/SID=si2a13400691526f93776ec0bdf6d126/index.php



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Re: [RBW] Re: OT-Cool Lugged bike for 7 year old (has to be girly)

2013-04-16 Thread Peter Morgano

She is not particularly tall for her age but is moving past themed stuff
like Disney princesses and whatnot and could probably be talked into a
somewhat normal looking bike. I was also thinking of a folding bike since
then tend to have low profiles, anyone's kid ever grow with a decent
folding bike?


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 PS:  the nice thing about the Trek, when we first got it, we slammed the
 seat down, then raised it a little, to get the right saddle height.  But w/
 the post all the way up to the extension line, even I could ride it (and
 I'm six-foot-tall).   So, it's a bike that she can use through college most
 likely.

 Is your daughter a 'tall' seven-year-old?



 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:

 We bought the smallest Trek Skye for my daughter a couple of years ago
 (she was 9 at the time).  She was wanting a purple or pink bike too. We
 headed into the LBS to see what they had, and there in stock was the right
 size bike in a metallic gray, with the decal for it in pink... although she
 was picturing a pink bike, she really liked this one (possibly because it
 was 'right there', versus 'still looking'.   But she still likes it.   And,
 the price wasn't bad; even though it was an inexpensive bike, it isn't bad
 at all, it actually quite good.

 I would like to see her on a little Betty Foy, but, I can't quite justify
 that for a kids' bike.

 Elephant made a bike for a gal, that I thought was outright awesome.   It
 would be one that I'd be happy to see her on.   Again, tho' I'm sure it
 wouldn't have been anywhere near as cost-effective as the Trek was...




 On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:42:01 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 My daughter has all of a sudden taken an interest in my bike collection
 and keeps hollering at me to build her a cool bike.  I have been looking
 around CL and ebay but all I see is either old stuff that was crap when new
 or new stuff that is just crap. Shame girls bikes get the short end of the
 stick. To add to the challenge my daughter is a princess and wont be seen
 on something not pink or purple and sparkly. So I could get  something
 intended for a boy and get  re-spray but I know there are a good bit of
 parents on here who might have a better idea. Cali said she wants a bike
 like daddys, not like the ones she sees in walmart, made me smile.

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[RBW] FS: 55cm Betty Foy New in Box

2013-04-16 Thread justinaugust

Vert interested in Betty! Can you email me back? Mobile version won't let me 
reply directly. 


-J

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Re: [RBW] Tarptent advice?

2013-04-16 Thread Scott Henry

No experience in the tarptents, but this is the regular one-man tent that I
use.

http://store.eurekatent.com/spitfire-1-tent

Very small, very light and easy to setup, pack and carry.  Cheap too.
I have about 40 nights in it over a few years and never a problem.   Once
was a 3 week stay and for that I'd have liked to have a bigger tent, but
the size to weight issue is hard to overcome.

Cheers,
Scott




On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all.

 I am currently contemplating picking up a Tarptent to fill a need for a
 one person bike camping tent.  I currently have the hennessy hammock, which
 is fantastic but dependent on trees, and a big/relatively heavy/substantial
 3 person tent.

 I want to get something lightweight that I can use when I am going
 somewhere that I am not sure about setting up the hammock.

 I am big (6'3) and don't want any part of sleeping in open air/dealing
 with bugs, so would need to get one of the tarptents that actually closes
 up in order to be able to sleep at night.

 Looking at the tarptent site, it's tough to determine which of their
 options works best for what I am trying to do, so I figured I would ask you
 guys.

 Any thoughts on this?  Anyone have a tarptent that they don't use/don't
 like and want to get rid of?

 Much obliged!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread René Sterental

Over the last several years, ever since I discovered Rivendell, their bikes
and their fit philosophy, I have slowly (until this year) realizing that my
preconceived notions regarding drop bars as better and upright bars as
worse have changed, and I went from being in lots of neck pain with drop
bars (Noodles), then Touring bars (first time ever I rode pain free),
through the original Bullmoose bars and now finally with the Bosco bars and
similar variations. The only drop bar that I'm comfortable in now is the
Grand Bois Randonneur, however I have it positioned quite higher than the
saddle. Last remaining Noodles on my Homer are likely going to be removed
soon as well. In the end, I expect that out of my four Rivendells, three
will end up with some variation of upright bar (didn't like the Albatross
the only time I've tried them) and possibly one will still keep the GB
Randonneur bars.

I'm amazed at how stubborn I've been to recognize the benefits of riding
upright, but it really wasn't until the Bosco bars when I realized they
offered me all positions instead of locking me on just one. That is also
the reason I installed reverse brake levers on the Bosco bars; they allow a
clean uninterrupted bar where I can position my hands anywhere while still
maximizing access to the brake levers.

Now that the Boscos are offered in three widths, I believe they are the
most versatile bar.

René


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 I use the Alba bar on two bikes and find it just right , for me.  I
 considered a Bosco to try, but realized it is much further swept back
 toward the rider than even an Alba bar, and this is not what I want.  With
 bar end brake levers and thumbshifters located inside the curves, I have a
 HUGE choice of hand positions !!   From more upright to more aero for big
 headwinds  (as if it really makes a difference at the end of the day
 ... lol).

 A version with more rise would be a cool try, but nonetheless I love it as
 it is :)


 BTW ... I ran across a new-er version of Nitto's stem adapters for
 threadless stems ... the MTC-04 Long ! It's a cold forged 225mm long with a
 knurled mounting surface for the stem.  I prefer using these to traditional
 stems as it is sooo simple to change stems and bars !   VO/Genetic makes a
 nice looking one also, as well as the regular length Nitto MTC-04 and
 slightly longer MTC-12.





 On Monday, April 15, 2013 1:36:14 PM UTC-4, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 MarkI

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

My wife has a PBH of 83cm. I know that puts her in a 54cm Hunqa, anyone 
know how a 56cm Atlantis would fit?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57:30 AM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Hello, 

  
 My name is Matt and I have a problem. I love bikes. Steel 
 ones. Lugged ones . Oooh green ones, I really like green bikes. As a result 
 I have too many bikes and would like to get down to just two. So I am 
 selling my Atlantis, which I never thought I would do. It is a great bike 
 that I really love; I just don’t use it that much anymore. It is a very 
 versatile frame. I have run it with 26x1.5 in tires, 26x2.1 tires, and 650b 
 hetres. I have used it for mountain biking, road rides, and camping. 
 I purchased the frame about 3 years ago from a list member in pristine 
 condition. Since then it has seen a lot of use, and has a lot of beusage in 
 the form of paint scratches. No dents or dings. Most of the scratches are 
 from being on a bike rack and from chain suck. The worst set of scratches 
 is on the top of the down tube and is from the pedal of another bike on a 
 bike rack. I have painted over most of the scratches with the correct color 
 paint. There is also a very small gouge in the drive side chain stay from 
 the chain getting stuck. I have taken multiple before and after pictures in 
 order to be as detailed and honest as I can. Also, I have removed most of 
 the shellac drips shown in the pictures. I want whoever gets this bike to 
 be as happy with it as I was, so please ask questions. I am asking $1700 
 which includes shipping to the lower 48. Sale includes the 26in wheels (not 
 the 650b ones), 26x1.5 schwalbe marathon racers, and panaracer smoke/dart 
 26x2.1 tires. Bottle cages are not included. Below is a build list. Please 
 contact me off list at *mg...@hotmail.com* mg...@hotmail.com. Thanks. 
  

  

 56 cm Atlantis frame 

 Sugino XD2 triple crankset 46x36x24

 Shimano slx front derailleur

 Shimano xt rear derailleur

 Shimano 8spd bar end shifters currently set up for friction shifting

 Nitto moustache bars with shellacked cloth over cork tape

 Nitto dirt drop stem

 Phil Wood “Rivy” freewheel wheel set with velocity aeroheat 26 in rims, 
 built by Rich at Rivendell

 IRD 7 speed 13-32 freewheel, no issues with this one. I will also include 
 an extra used suntour freewheel. 

 MKS touring pedals that are a little beat up but spin smoothly

 Brooks flyer saddle

 Nitto seat post

 Shimano deore v-brakes, have enough adjustability for 650b wheels
 Phil wood 108 mm bottom bracket (runs the chain rings a little close)
  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#

 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#5867323982235366290

  


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RE: [RBW] Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Just rode 95 miles in 2 days on the Delaware Water Gap ride on my Atlantis with 
Albas - no problems at all.  Very comfortable, and room to get aero when (if?) 
you feel like it.  My son was on a Bombadil with Bullmoose bars, and found them 
less flexible for that long a ride.

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will be 
helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown with 
upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of the rest 
of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an albatross or 
bosco bar to be comfortable?
Thanks,
Mark
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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

I love my Albas. I've ridden multiple 8+ hour days in the saddle on tours 
and day rides without issue. I do not wear gloves except for cold.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:36:14 AM UTC-6, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 Mark


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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

I can't get the photo links to work.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:57:30 AM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Hello, 

  
 My name is Matt and I have a problem. I love bikes. Steel 
 ones. Lugged ones . Oooh green ones, I really like green bikes. As a result 
 I have too many bikes and would like to get down to just two. So I am 
 selling my Atlantis, which I never thought I would do. It is a great bike 
 that I really love; I just don’t use it that much anymore. It is a very 
 versatile frame. I have run it with 26x1.5 in tires, 26x2.1 tires, and 650b 
 hetres. I have used it for mountain biking, road rides, and camping. 
 I purchased the frame about 3 years ago from a list member in pristine 
 condition. Since then it has seen a lot of use, and has a lot of beusage in 
 the form of paint scratches. No dents or dings. Most of the scratches are 
 from being on a bike rack and from chain suck. The worst set of scratches 
 is on the top of the down tube and is from the pedal of another bike on a 
 bike rack. I have painted over most of the scratches with the correct color 
 paint. There is also a very small gouge in the drive side chain stay from 
 the chain getting stuck. I have taken multiple before and after pictures in 
 order to be as detailed and honest as I can. Also, I have removed most of 
 the shellac drips shown in the pictures. I want whoever gets this bike to 
 be as happy with it as I was, so please ask questions. I am asking $1700 
 which includes shipping to the lower 48. Sale includes the 26in wheels (not 
 the 650b ones), 26x1.5 schwalbe marathon racers, and panaracer smoke/dart 
 26x2.1 tires. Bottle cages are not included. Below is a build list. Please 
 contact me off list at *mg...@hotmail.com* javascript:. Thanks. 
  

  

 56 cm Atlantis frame 

 Sugino XD2 triple crankset 46x36x24

 Shimano slx front derailleur

 Shimano xt rear derailleur

 Shimano 8spd bar end shifters currently set up for friction shifting

 Nitto moustache bars with shellacked cloth over cork tape

 Nitto dirt drop stem

 Phil Wood “Rivy” freewheel wheel set with velocity aeroheat 26 in rims, 
 built by Rich at Rivendell

 IRD 7 speed 13-32 freewheel, no issues with this one. I will also include 
 an extra used suntour freewheel. 

 MKS touring pedals that are a little beat up but spin smoothly

 Brooks flyer saddle

 Nitto seat post

 Shimano deore v-brakes, have enough adjustability for 650b wheels
 Phil wood 108 mm bottom bracket (runs the chain rings a little close)
  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#

 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#5867323982235366290

  


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[RBW] Re: best way to make sure brake levers are, well...level!

2013-04-16 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn



On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:59:19 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:

 Oh, and NEVER tape the bars until you've ridden a bit to make sure 
 everything is exactly where you want it.  

 dougP

 And NEVER EVER shellac them until you've ridden them many more miles.

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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

2013-04-16 Thread iamkeith



  

 
I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll 
release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog:
 
http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58
 
 He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by 
modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, 
less-dished wheel.  Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette 
hub that will fit them?  Maybe others, too

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Trunk Sack Small

2013-04-16 Thread john

Sackville Trunksack Small: used, but in great shape, $75.
I used this sack on my mini front rack (Hillborne). Fits perfectly, 
impervious to the elements. Great little sack for cyclers.

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[RBW] Re: Boiled Wool

2013-04-16 Thread john

@Jinxed:

Yes, the Swobo cap with earflaps was my absolute favorite, regardless of 
material (earflaps or not). After abusing it for years, suddenly I found it 
was gone forever...I'll never know where it went. Probably out of a pocket 
while riding. I sure wish someone would make another cap like that one!

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:09:16 AM UTC-7, john wrote:

 I just received my Randi Jo Fabs Burgundy winter cap. I'd been looking for 
 a good wool cycling cap with earflaps all winter, and I finally found it! 
 Unfortunately, the size medium (apparently there is no size small offered) 
 is a tad too large. 

 Do any of you have experience boiling wool (washing and/or drying wool) to 
 shrink to fit? I don't want to wreck the cap, but it ought to be more snug. 

 Thanks,

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[RBW] Re: best way to make sure brake levers are, well...level!

2013-04-16 Thread Eric

Well I've taped the bars but still dialing in the overall ride of Saluki. 
So I may need a tiny adjustment but since they're already on the bike I may 
have to use the carpenter's level method. Many thanks for that info! 

But I recently bought a torque wrench so my little tidbit is that I 
wouldn't ride until everything is torqued per specs.

It's an *Effetto Mariposa, *expensive but worth it to know you're doing it 
correctly. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread Cyclofiend Jim



On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:56:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even 
 back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that 
 made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total 
 market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the 
 readership of this google group. 


:^) 

Quite possiblly, Steve... 

My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a 
less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the 
topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not 
stay put if you choose to manually shift.  It seemed like it would be  a 
bit cheaper and therefore more possible for them to come up with a 
long-lasting cassette of robust sprockets than hope they would tool up for 
freewheels. 

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

From my own experience with 5 thru 10 shifting, all manual (didn't index
after circa 1993 or 4 until I got the 7 sp DA for the Ram) I would say that
the problems below come solely from excessively narrow spacing -- it, too
many cogs -- and even that, perhaps, due to using the wrong levers (levers
with smaller barrels seem to work better with tighter squeezed cogs) or
perhaps, often, simply to lack of skill. While I can certainly see the
benefit to 9 or even 10 speed spacing in certain very idiosyncratic cases,
I think that a normal 8 speed Hyperglide cassette will last for many miles
and shifter perfectly with most friction levers as long as you take the
trouble to adjust things properly -- notably your shifter mounting screws
-- and take the trouble to learn the technique.

I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8 speed
systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in respect of
drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the standpoint of
both use and money, the best solution.

That said, I am surprised how well the low end Shimano 9 speed systems on
cheap mountain bikes that have been neglected for years still shift very
well without need for adjustment.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:..


 My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a
 less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the
 topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not
 stay put if you choose to manually shift.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread RJM

I would be alright with some nice choices in 7 speed cassettes and chains.
 
I have been using the IRD freewheels on my Rivy hubs without much to 
complain about.
 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:35:04 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Steve P nails it. Many of these old-skool design ideas might fill a niche 
 within a niche within a niche. Given the previously mentioned issues with 
 freewheels, and not many upsides except low cost, the people still using 
 them are devoted antiquarians, those who spec dept store bikes, and those 
 of us in the business of fixing 1970s bike boom bikes. It's hard to see a 
 new $50+ freewheel being a hit with any of those groups. And freewheel 
 connoisseurs are not wearing out freewheels fast enough to be much of a 
 target market. Obviously Shimano and the smaller companies who make FWs 
 abandoned the high-end segment of that market years ago.

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[RBW] Campus pedal inquiry

2013-04-16 Thread LouisvillePatrick

Hi there!
 
I'm interested in a better, more versatile pedal solution than the Time 
Atacs I'm currently using on the Hilsen.  Generally, they work 
great.when I want to clip in, which is probably half the time.  Rather 
than
switch out pedals, I ride the Fargo, which always runs platforms (Crank 
Bros 50/50s).
 
Does anyone have a campus pedal preference?  You know the old one side 
clip in, one side platform style.  
 
Thanks-  
 
Patrick
Louisville, Kentucky

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

I've no experience with Rivendell's upright bars except, briefly, the
Priest bar; and no positive experience with other upright bars; I'm
comfortable with drop bars in any event. But I'd love to try Albatrosses
for off road use. My brother, who sets his bikes up as I do with drop bars
below saddle, used Albatrosses on a couple of townie bikes and said they
were great.

Can Albatrosses take bar end shifters? Can Albatrosses be slowly winging
their way toward my Fargo ...???

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

2013-04-16 Thread Matt Gilkey

Sorry about the link not working - should be fixed now. Thanks for letting 
me know!
On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:57:30 PM UTC-7, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Hello, 

  
 My name is Matt and I have a problem. I love bikes. Steel 
 ones. Lugged ones . Oooh green ones, I really like green bikes. As a result 
 I have too many bikes and would like to get down to just two. So I am 
 selling my Atlantis, which I never thought I would do. It is a great bike 
 that I really love; I just don’t use it that much anymore. It is a very 
 versatile frame. I have run it with 26x1.5 in tires, 26x2.1 tires, and 650b 
 hetres. I have used it for mountain biking, road rides, and camping. 
 I purchased the frame about 3 years ago from a list member in pristine 
 condition. Since then it has seen a lot of use, and has a lot of beusage in 
 the form of paint scratches. No dents or dings. Most of the scratches are 
 from being on a bike rack and from chain suck. The worst set of scratches 
 is on the top of the down tube and is from the pedal of another bike on a 
 bike rack. I have painted over most of the scratches with the correct color 
 paint. There is also a very small gouge in the drive side chain stay from 
 the chain getting stuck. I have taken multiple before and after pictures in 
 order to be as detailed and honest as I can. Also, I have removed most of 
 the shellac drips shown in the pictures. I want whoever gets this bike to 
 be as happy with it as I was, so please ask questions. I am asking $1700 
 which includes shipping to the lower 48. Sale includes the 26in wheels (not 
 the 650b ones), 26x1.5 schwalbe marathon racers, and panaracer smoke/dart 
 26x2.1 tires. Bottle cages are not included. Below is a build list. Please 
 contact me off list at *mg...@hotmail.com* mg...@hotmail.com. Thanks. 
  

  

 56 cm Atlantis frame 

 Sugino XD2 triple crankset 46x36x24

 Shimano slx front derailleur

 Shimano xt rear derailleur

 Shimano 8spd bar end shifters currently set up for friction shifting

 Nitto moustache bars with shellacked cloth over cork tape

 Nitto dirt drop stem

 Phil Wood “Rivy” freewheel wheel set with velocity aeroheat 26 in rims, 
 built by Rich at Rivendell

 IRD 7 speed 13-32 freewheel, no issues with this one. I will also include 
 an extra used suntour freewheel. 

 MKS touring pedals that are a little beat up but spin smoothly

 Brooks flyer saddle

 Nitto seat post

 Shimano deore v-brakes, have enough adjustability for 650b wheels
 Phil wood 108 mm bottom bracket (runs the chain rings a little close)
  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#

 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#5867323982235366290

  


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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread clayton

Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

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 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com javascript:
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

That is interesting, but you can get at least a little of these benefits by
running a 7 speed Shimano cassette body  while keeping the 135 mm spacing
instead of 126. You can do this either by retrofitting the shorter body on
a later, 8-9-10 speed hub, or by retrofitting a longer axle on a 7 speed
wheel. I've done this and even with a 130 mm spaced rear wheel the
remaining dish is very little.

Why does JJ choose those rather odd and large teeth combinations? They
would do very well, for me, on pavement with, say, a 52/42 ring combo or,
for closer gaps, with a 52/48 half step ring combo. Of course, those are
meant for off road use, but you'd still want pretty large rings to get a
usable series.

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 I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll
 release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog:

 http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58

  He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by
 modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger,
 less-dished wheel.  Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette
 hub that will fit them?  Maybe others, too

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

Thanks, Matt. I just spoke with Rivendell and she is one size down from the 
56cm. Blessings finding a new home for your Atlantis!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:28:16 AM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Sorry about the link not working - should be fixed now. Thanks for letting 
 me know!
 On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:57:30 PM UTC-7, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Hello, 

  
 My name is Matt and I have a problem. I love bikes. Steel 
 ones. Lugged ones . Oooh green ones, I really like green bikes. As a result 
 I have too many bikes and would like to get down to just two. So I am 
 selling my Atlantis, which I never thought I would do. It is a great bike 
 that I really love; I just don’t use it that much anymore. It is a very 
 versatile frame. I have run it with 26x1.5 in tires, 26x2.1 tires, and 650b 
 hetres. I have used it for mountain biking, road rides, and camping. 
 I purchased the frame about 3 years ago from a list member in pristine 
 condition. Since then it has seen a lot of use, and has a lot of beusage in 
 the form of paint scratches. No dents or dings. Most of the scratches are 
 from being on a bike rack and from chain suck. The worst set of scratches 
 is on the top of the down tube and is from the pedal of another bike on a 
 bike rack. I have painted over most of the scratches with the correct color 
 paint. There is also a very small gouge in the drive side chain stay from 
 the chain getting stuck. I have taken multiple before and after pictures in 
 order to be as detailed and honest as I can. Also, I have removed most of 
 the shellac drips shown in the pictures. I want whoever gets this bike to 
 be as happy with it as I was, so please ask questions. I am asking $1700 
 which includes shipping to the lower 48. Sale includes the 26in wheels (not 
 the 650b ones), 26x1.5 schwalbe marathon racers, and panaracer smoke/dart 
 26x2.1 tires. Bottle cages are not included. Below is a build list. Please 
 contact me off list at *mg...@hotmail.com* javascript:. Thanks. 
  

  

 56 cm Atlantis frame 

 Sugino XD2 triple crankset 46x36x24

 Shimano slx front derailleur

 Shimano xt rear derailleur

 Shimano 8spd bar end shifters currently set up for friction shifting

 Nitto moustache bars with shellacked cloth over cork tape

 Nitto dirt drop stem

 Phil Wood “Rivy” freewheel wheel set with velocity aeroheat 26 in rims, 
 built by Rich at Rivendell

 IRD 7 speed 13-32 freewheel, no issues with this one. I will also include 
 an extra used suntour freewheel. 

 MKS touring pedals that are a little beat up but spin smoothly

 Brooks flyer saddle

 Nitto seat post

 Shimano deore v-brakes, have enough adjustability for 650b wheels
 Phil wood 108 mm bottom bracket (runs the chain rings a little close)
  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread EGNolan

I only have two bikes at the moment; a cargo bike I share w/ my wife and my 
Raleigh International mut. The Yuba has Albatross  the Raleigh has 
Bosco's. I'd given a lot of thought to swapping them around because of the 
sweep on the Bosco's and the relatively short TT on the Raleigh, but after 
some strong headwinds this week, the Bosco's have proven themselves well. I 
have 3 solid positions on the that cover me well. I don't typically log 
long days, but rain or shine, snow or sleet, wind or well...none, the 
upright bars serve me well for my 10 mile (one way) commute daily and the 
few 30+ mile days I've been on the bike. The miles seem to pass a bit 
slower, but my attitude seems to be different when I hop on a bike w/ 
upright bars than compared to the same bike with drops. There's something 
to it, I have a bit more fun. 
 
I initially got onto upright bars becuase I've had long lasting, recurring 
shoulder problems, but I don't have pain w/ drops if they're above the 
saddle and close enough to me, but I prefer upright now, regardless.
 
Eric
Indpls

  
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread René Sterental

Yes and Yes Patrick!
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:51 AM, EGNolan egno...@gmail.com wrote:

 I only have two bikes at the moment; a cargo bike I share w/ my wife and my 
 Raleigh International mut. The Yuba has Albatross  the Raleigh has 
 Bosco's. I'd given a lot of thought to swapping them around because of the 
 sweep on the Bosco's and the relatively short TT on the Raleigh, but after 
 some strong headwinds this week, the Bosco's have proven themselves well. I 
 have 3 solid positions on the that cover me well. I don't typically log 
 long days, but rain or shine, snow or sleet, wind or well...none, the 
 upright bars serve me well for my 10 mile (one way) commute daily and the 
 few 30+ mile days I've been on the bike. The miles seem to pass a bit 
 slower, but my attitude seems to be different when I hop on a bike w/ 
 upright bars than compared to the same bike with drops. There's something 
 to it, I have a bit more fun. 
  
 I initially got onto upright bars becuase I've had long lasting, recurring 
 shoulder problems, but I don't have pain w/ drops if they're above the 
 saddle and close enough to me, but I prefer upright now, regardless.
  
 Eric
 Indpls
  
  
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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread PeterG

Had albas on my Sam...loved it! Replaced the albas on the Sam with boscos 
(using a 13cm stem)love it even better!  SoI ditched the drops on 
my Homer and put the albas from the Sam on the Hilsen...Loving both bikes 
much more now...I actually have a full drop bar cockpit with brakes 
and interrupter brakes for saleanyone...anyone?

On Monday, April 15, 2013 10:36:14 AM UTC-7, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 Mark


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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Betty Foy New in Box

2013-04-16 Thread justinaugust

Releasing my interest. The lady has told me not now!

-J

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:26:05 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Vert interested in Betty! Can you email me back? Mobile version won't let 
 me reply directly. 


 -J


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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

2013-04-16 Thread RJM

Nice wheelset on this bike. Man, if it were my size I would be jumping all 
over this. Bummer. 
 
Good luck on the sale. 
On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Hello, 

  
 My name is Matt and I have a problem. I love bikes. Steel 
 ones. Lugged ones . Oooh green ones, I really like green bikes. As a result 
 I have too many bikes and would like to get down to just two. So I am 
 selling my Atlantis, which I never thought I would do. It is a great bike 
 that I really love; I just don’t use it that much anymore. It is a very 
 versatile frame. I have run it with 26x1.5 in tires, 26x2.1 tires, and 650b 
 hetres. I have used it for mountain biking, road rides, and camping. 
 I purchased the frame about 3 years ago from a list member in pristine 
 condition. Since then it has seen a lot of use, and has a lot of beusage in 
 the form of paint scratches. No dents or dings. Most of the scratches are 
 from being on a bike rack and from chain suck. The worst set of scratches 
 is on the top of the down tube and is from the pedal of another bike on a 
 bike rack. I have painted over most of the scratches with the correct color 
 paint. There is also a very small gouge in the drive side chain stay from 
 the chain getting stuck. I have taken multiple before and after pictures in 
 order to be as detailed and honest as I can. Also, I have removed most of 
 the shellac drips shown in the pictures. I want whoever gets this bike to 
 be as happy with it as I was, so please ask questions. I am asking $1700 
 which includes shipping to the lower 48. Sale includes the 26in wheels (not 
 the 650b ones), 26x1.5 schwalbe marathon racers, and panaracer smoke/dart 
 26x2.1 tires. Bottle cages are not included. Below is a build list. Please 
 contact me off list at *mg...@hotmail.com* javascript:. Thanks. 
  

  

 56 cm Atlantis frame 

 Sugino XD2 triple crankset 46x36x24

 Shimano slx front derailleur

 Shimano xt rear derailleur

 Shimano 8spd bar end shifters currently set up for friction shifting

 Nitto moustache bars with shellacked cloth over cork tape

 Nitto dirt drop stem

 Phil Wood “Rivy” freewheel wheel set with velocity aeroheat 26 in rims, 
 built by Rich at Rivendell

 IRD 7 speed 13-32 freewheel, no issues with this one. I will also include 
 an extra used suntour freewheel. 

 MKS touring pedals that are a little beat up but spin smoothly

 Brooks flyer saddle

 Nitto seat post

 Shimano deore v-brakes, have enough adjustability for 650b wheels
 Phil wood 108 mm bottom bracket (runs the chain rings a little close)
  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#

 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#5867323982235366290

  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread René Sterental

I also went with a 13cm stem for the Bosco bars on my Hunqapillar. Seems to
provide the perfect distance for both upright and forward leaning when
going faster. Might try the narrower ones on the Atlantis as I switch the
drops to the Hilsen to try them there. Perhaps I need to give the Albatross
another chance as well... we'll see...


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM, PeterG ssubman2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Had albas on my Sam...loved it! Replaced the albas on the Sam with boscos
 (using a 13cm stem)love it even better!  SoI ditched the drops on
 my Homer and put the albas from the Sam on the Hilsen...Loving both bikes
 much more now...I actually have a full drop bar cockpit with brakes
 and interrupter brakes for saleanyone...anyone?


 On Monday, April 15, 2013 10:36:14 AM UTC-7, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 Mark

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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

thanks Keith.  those hacked Jones cassettes are what got me thinking about 
adding some gears to the QB a while back.  i can squeeze a 130mm hub in 
there, but i'd really rather not.  i like the idea of a 120mm cassette hub, 
and a homebrew short cassette.  

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:14:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:

  

  
 I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll 
 release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog:
  
 http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58
  
  He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by 
 modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, 
 less-dished wheel.  Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette 
 hub that will fit them?  Maybe others, too


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[RBW] Re: Campus pedal inquiry

2013-04-16 Thread EGNolan

http://www.biketinker.com/category/projects/skate-deck-pedals
 
These seem like the way to go.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Ray Shine

Yes, I have transitioned over. But for the Atlantis and Conti-Rom, everything 
else is either Alba or the Jitensha flat. I even switched to Albas on the QB. I 
regularly do 35+ mile trips on a bike with Alba, and I commute daily on the 
Gomez with Albas.





From: EGNolan egno...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 16, 2013 9:51:54 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?


I only have two bikes at the moment; a cargo bike I share w/ my wife and my 
Raleigh International mut. The Yuba has Albatross  the Raleigh has Bosco's. 
I'd 
given a lot of thought to swapping them around because of the sweep on the 
Bosco's and the relatively short TT on the Raleigh, but after some strong 
headwinds this week, the Bosco's have proven themselves well. I have 3 solid 
positions on the that cover me well. I don't typically log long days, but rain 
or shine, snow or sleet, wind or well...none, the upright bars serve me well 
for 
my 10 mile (one way) commute daily and the few 30+ mile days I've been on the 
bike. The miles seem to pass a bit slower, but my attitude seems to be 
different 
when I hop on a bike w/ upright bars than compared to the same bike with drops. 
There's something to it, I have a bit more fun. 

 
I initially got onto upright bars becuase I've had long lasting, recurring 
shoulder problems, but I don't have pain w/ drops if they're above the saddle 
and close enough to me, but I prefer upright now, regardless.
 
Eric
Indpls

 
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[RBW] Re: best way to make sure brake levers are, well...level!

2013-04-16 Thread Philip Williamson

Eyeball. I look at the shape made by the angle of the hood against the 
curve of the bar. If the shape is different, the height is different. Then 
I test the feel, standing over the bike, with the hoods 3/4 tightened, so I 
can nudge them and fudge them into the right spot. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Monday, April 15, 2013 5:14:03 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:

 I'm curious about folk's techniques for making sure brake levers are equal 
 height  level on the bars. 

 I have a recent Riv build and need to equal out the levers.

 Any advice/tips would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

 - Eric


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Re: [RBW] Campus pedal inquiry

2013-04-16 Thread Tim Gavin

I like the Shimano PD-A530 campus pedals (apparently you can even mount
reflectors.  huh.), but the platform isn't very grippy.  I'm gonna add a
couple drill-in spikes from the Rivendell site to mine.

The bear-trap style campus pedals (Shimano PD-M324 or similar) may offer
more grip.  My girlfriend has those on her bike and likes them.  They weigh
a tiny bit more than the A530s.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM, LouisvillePatrick
bassandb...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi there!

 I'm interested in a better, more versatile pedal solution than the Time
 Atacs I'm currently using on the Hilsen.  Generally, they work
 great.when I want to clip in, which is probably half the time.  Rather
 than
 switch out pedals, I ride the Fargo, which always runs platforms (Crank
 Bros 50/50s).

 Does anyone have a campus pedal preference?  You know the old one side
 clip in, one side platform style.

 Thanks-

 Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

2013-04-16 Thread Matt Gilkey

Thanks, 

If there is not enough interest in the bike I will consider selling the 
wheelset. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:01:20 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:

 Nice wheelset on this bike. Man, if it were my size I would be jumping all 
 over this. Bummer. 
  
 Good luck on the sale. 
 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:57:30 AM UTC-5, Matt Gilkey wrote:

 Hello, 

  
 My name is Matt and I have a problem. I love bikes. Steel 
 ones. Lugged ones . Oooh green ones, I really like green bikes. As a result 
 I have too many bikes and would like to get down to just two. So I am 
 selling my Atlantis, which I never thought I would do. It is a great bike 
 that I really love; I just don’t use it that much anymore. It is a very 
 versatile frame. I have run it with 26x1.5 in tires, 26x2.1 tires, and 650b 
 hetres. I have used it for mountain biking, road rides, and camping. 
 I purchased the frame about 3 years ago from a list member in pristine 
 condition. Since then it has seen a lot of use, and has a lot of beusage in 
 the form of paint scratches. No dents or dings. Most of the scratches are 
 from being on a bike rack and from chain suck. The worst set of scratches 
 is on the top of the down tube and is from the pedal of another bike on a 
 bike rack. I have painted over most of the scratches with the correct color 
 paint. There is also a very small gouge in the drive side chain stay from 
 the chain getting stuck. I have taken multiple before and after pictures in 
 order to be as detailed and honest as I can. Also, I have removed most of 
 the shellac drips shown in the pictures. I want whoever gets this bike to 
 be as happy with it as I was, so please ask questions. I am asking $1700 
 which includes shipping to the lower 48. Sale includes the 26in wheels (not 
 the 650b ones), 26x1.5 schwalbe marathon racers, and panaracer smoke/dart 
 26x2.1 tires. Bottle cages are not included. Below is a build list. Please 
 contact me off list at *mg...@hotmail.com*. Thanks. 
  

  

 56 cm Atlantis frame 

 Sugino XD2 triple crankset 46x36x24

 Shimano slx front derailleur

 Shimano xt rear derailleur

 Shimano 8spd bar end shifters currently set up for friction shifting

 Nitto moustache bars with shellacked cloth over cork tape

 Nitto dirt drop stem

 Phil Wood “Rivy” freewheel wheel set with velocity aeroheat 26 in rims, 
 built by Rich at Rivendell

 IRD 7 speed 13-32 freewheel, no issues with this one. I will also include 
 an extra used suntour freewheel. 

 MKS touring pedals that are a little beat up but spin smoothly

 Brooks flyer saddle

 Nitto seat post

 Shimano deore v-brakes, have enough adjustability for 650b wheels
 Phil wood 108 mm bottom bracket (runs the chain rings a little close)
  
 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#

 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/Atlantis#5867323982235366290

  



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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

 So, a touring bike with Alba's is no big deal then?
 
None at all.  Get the right seat and seat height and have a great tour.
 
 

 Patrick

 On Monday, April 15, 2013 11:36:14 AM UTC-6, markt...@gmail.com wrote: 

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: 2 day Delaware Water Gap Ride

2013-04-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Thanks, Tom, I will post mine shortly.  I will try not to post duplicates, 
and my photo-taking skills are probably at the same level as my 'cue-sheet' 
skills...both works in progress. I appreciate the beautiful shots taken by 
our group...   

Peace,

Bobby  

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:28:44 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  Norm Rosenblum suggested I post a link to the Flickr Group where 
 everyone is posting their pics of the Delaware Water Gap Adventure Ride, 
 which Bobby Birmingham organized, and Joan Oppel so succinctly summarized 
 in her ride report yesterday.  Here it is:  
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/2169588@N24/  As Norm noted, it’s probably 
 the most documented 2 day ride in the history of biking!;-) 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

 That's not the only, or even the worst, problem with freewheels.  By 
design, pedaling tightens a freewheel.  On a tandem or on a bike ridden 
by a very strong rider, they get screwed on so tight it's difficult if 
not outright impossible to remove them.  What's more, the tremendous 
force needed (we're talking about six foot cheater bars here, no 
exaggeration) is channeled through a couple of small notches or a 
handful of splines, which readily strip out. 


Freewheel sticking has not been a problem for me.  But I make a point to 
remove the freewheel and lubricate it frequently.
 
BMXers - and bike polo players who put a lot of pressure on all their bike 
parts more often than not use White Industries hubs.
 
I don't have anything against cassettes per se - and in fact just had a 
wheel made with a single speed Chris King and the Jeff Jones modified 6 
speed cassette - but my city and tour bikes have MaxiCar hubs and my road 
bike vintage Campy hubs modified by Peter Weigle.  I'm supposed to leave 
those on the shelf because of stories from people in the day who probably 
failed to follow basic maintenance procedures?
 
Finally - no problem with finding spare sprockets I'll be dead before I 
wear out all my horde.

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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

I have a wheel with Chris King hub and JJ sprocket.  Believe Hope and I9 
(or something like that) also make SS hubs that work.
 
Patrick - I have mine for off road loaded touring.  The range seems right 
for that.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

Matthew: what rings do you use?

I used a 46/36/24 with a 16-18-20-22-24-28-34 or something like that on the
Fargo before I went with a 38/24 double and smaller cogs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

Another question about the Albatross bar. One problem is that I'm asking
the Fargo to do a very wide spread of duties, from sport tourer through
loaded grocery getter to off road machine to -- one day! -- loaded tourer.
Each has its own requirements of a bar. (So far, as I've said, the Midge is
the best compromise of all - 46 cm Noodle, 42 cm Noodle, Midge) EXCEPT for
my unfortunately and preternaturally sensitive left palm.

So: how does the Albatross do:

1. in heavy headwinds? Where do you hold on when bucking a steady 25 mph
wind?

2. On steep, dirt drop-offs? Where do you hold so that you keep yourself
secure while still being able to brake?

Maybe -- hate the thought, but just maybe -- the solution is to sell the
Fargo and use the Ram for uses 1, 2 and 4, and get a dirt-specific 29er for
use #3

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Re: [RBW] Campus pedal inquiry

2013-04-16 Thread Brian Hanson

I would second the PD-A530 recommendation. I've used them on two bikes for 
commuting and brevets, and they are easy to get into consistently with cleats 
which I use 80% of the time. I would recommend sticky soled shoes for the flats 
like FiveTen or Evolv Cruzers (best shoe ever!). No issues in the rain, but I 
generally wear waterproof Sidis then as I hate wet feet. 

Brian Hanson
Maui, HI (usually Seattle, WA)

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 I like the Shimano PD-A530 campus pedals (apparently you can even mount 
 reflectors.  huh.), but the platform isn't very grippy.  I'm gonna add a 
 couple drill-in spikes from the Rivendell site to mine.
 
 The bear-trap style campus pedals (Shimano PD-M324 or similar) may offer more 
 grip.  My girlfriend has those on her bike and likes them.  They weigh a tiny 
 bit more than the A530s.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM, LouisvillePatrick bassandb...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Hi there!
  
 I'm interested in a better, more versatile pedal solution than the Time 
 Atacs I'm currently using on the Hilsen.  Generally, they work 
 great.when I want to clip in, which is probably half the time.  Rather 
 than
 switch out pedals, I ride the Fargo, which always runs platforms (Crank Bros 
 50/50s).
  
 Does anyone have a campus pedal preference?  You know the old one side 
 clip in, one side platform style. 
  
 Thanks- 
  
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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

2013-04-16 Thread Philip Williamson

The 120mm spacing is the key to retrofitting a Quickbeam, or any other 
track bike. My Ross would be the best candidate, since it has cable 
stops, and I have a derailleur claw adapter.

Problem Solvers has clamp-on DT shifter mounts, zip-tie cable guides, and a 
chain tensioner than can be used as a derailleur hanger. The QB would need 
cablestops fabricated, I think. Definitely post any Quickbeam hacks!

Philip
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On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:12:16 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:

 thanks Keith.  those hacked Jones cassettes are what got me thinking about 
 adding some gears to the QB a while back.  i can squeeze a 130mm hub in 
 there, but i'd really rather not.  i like the idea of a 120mm cassette hub, 
 and a homebrew short cassette.  

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:14:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:

  

  
 I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll 
 release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog:
  
 http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58
  
  He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by 
 modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Mike Williams

They're pretty good on headwinds.  I find them great on dirt including some 
rough stuff.   -Mike

Sent from my iPhone

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 Another question about the Albatross bar. One problem is that I'm asking the 
 Fargo to do a very wide spread of duties, from sport tourer through loaded 
 grocery getter to off road machine to -- one day! -- loaded tourer. Each has 
 its own requirements of a bar. (So far, as I've said, the Midge is the best 
 compromise of all - 46 cm Noodle, 42 cm Noodle, Midge) EXCEPT for my 
 unfortunately and preternaturally sensitive left palm.
 
 So: how does the Albatross do:
 
 1. in heavy headwinds? Where do you hold on when bucking a steady 25 mph wind?
 
 2. On steep, dirt drop-offs? Where do you hold so that you keep yourself 
 secure while still being able to brake?
 
 Maybe -- hate the thought, but just maybe -- the solution is to sell the 
 Fargo and use the Ram for uses 1, 2 and 4, and get a dirt-specific 29er for 
 use #3
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

Mike -- Can we see a photo, please? And can you describe how you hold on in
headwinds and how you hold on and brake on dropoffs?

I a very tempted to try them but dammit, it means spending for another bar
and, this time, new brake levers; also, probably a new stem. And grips.

Must . Say . No .

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mkernanwilli...@gmail.comwrote:

 They're pretty good on headwinds.  I find them great on dirt including
 some rough stuff.   -Mike

 Sent from my iPhone

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 Another question about the Albatross bar. One problem is that I'm asking
 the Fargo to do a very wide spread of duties, from sport tourer through
 loaded grocery getter to off road machine to -- one day! -- loaded tourer.
 Each has its own requirements of a bar. (So far, as I've said, the Midge is
 the best compromise of all - 46 cm Noodle, 42 cm Noodle, Midge) EXCEPT for
 my unfortunately and preternaturally sensitive left palm.

 So: how does the Albatross do:

 1. in heavy headwinds? Where do you hold on when bucking a steady 25 mph
 wind?

 2. On steep, dirt drop-offs? Where do you hold so that you keep yourself
 secure while still being able to brake?

 Maybe -- hate the thought, but just maybe -- the solution is to sell the
 Fargo and use the Ram for uses 1, 2 and 4, and get a dirt-specific 29er for
 use #3

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

Not set up yet.  Plan right now is single speed 42 for the my initial 
planned off road trip on the Wisconsin Adventure Trail.  If I can work the 
time to do some other off road trips to more challenging terrain I think I 
might try the White Eno with Bash Guard with the 34.
On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:44:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 

 Matthew: what rings do you use? 

 I used a 46/36/24 with a 16-18-20-22-24-28-34 or something like that on 
 the Fargo before I went with a 38/24 double and smaller cogs.

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 I have a wheel with Chris King hub and JJ sprocket.  Believe Hope and I9 
 (or something like that) also make SS hubs that work.
  
 Patrick - I have mine for off road loaded touring.  The range seems right 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

Oops.  Should have said a 1x set up.

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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

2013-04-16 Thread iamkeith

Oh yeah.  I guess I forgot that the quickbeam is 120mm.  The chris king SS 
hub is obviously 130mm:
 
http://chrisking.com/hubs/hbs_sspeed
 
Given the fact that several people have successfully re-set the rear end of 
Simple Ones to utilize 135mm Rohloff hubs though, I think 130mm might not 
be too drastic of a modification, if someone were really set on the idea.
 
The other option might be to go *smalle*r - to a BMX 110 mm spacing.  A 
quick web search turns up at least one mfgr., Profile, has several single 
speed cassette hubs.  Looks like they even offer a 120mm upgrade too.   Not 
sure what the freehub interface looks like, though:
 
https://www.profileracing.com/estore/product.php?productId=110
 
 
 
 

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 The 120mm spacing is the key to retrofitting a Quickbeam, or any other 
 track bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv

Do you all generally mount your Albatross bars right side up (6 cm rise) or 
upside down (6 cm drop)? I'll most likely end up trying both, but unless 
there is a good reason not to, I'm inclined to try upside down first.

Jay

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:10:40 PM UTC+3, René wrote:

 I also went with a 13cm stem for the Bosco bars on my Hunqapillar. Seems 
 to provide the perfect distance for both upright and forward leaning when 
 going faster. Might try the narrower ones on the Atlantis as I switch the 
 drops to the Hilsen to try them there. Perhaps I need to give the Albatross 
 another chance as well... we'll see...


 On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM, PeterG ssubm...@yahoo.com javascript:
  wrote:

 Had albas on my Sam...loved it! Replaced the albas on the Sam with boscos 
 (using a 13cm stem)love it even better!  SoI ditched the drops on 
 my Homer and put the albas from the Sam on the Hilsen...Loving both bikes 
 much more now...I actually have a full drop bar cockpit with brakes 
 and interrupter brakes for saleanyone...anyone?


 On Monday, April 15, 2013 10:36:14 AM UTC-7, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 Mark

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 10:11 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
 I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8
 speed systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in
 respect of drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the
 standpoint of both use and money, the best solution. 

I tried Sun Tour Sprint friction shifters with 8 speed Hyperglide.
Didn't work well at all: far too much ghost shifting.  I moved the
shifters to a new bike with 7 speed Hyperglide and found it worked very
well.  

Also: 8 speed never had a range of gearings that began with 13.  Other
than for juniors, they began with 11 or 12.  Nowadays just about all you
can get in 8 begins with 11.  Except on my 17 wheeled Moulton, I have
no use whatever for 11 tooth sprockets, and I would need a 44 tooth
large chain ring to get the high gear I like with a 12 tooth sprocket.
Summary: except for tandems, for me 8 speed gearing range is crap.

Seven, on the other hand, had several nice gear sets including 13-30 and
13-34.  Seven also has the 14-32, which is surprisingly perfect on a
650B bike with a 39/53 double.  What's more, all the 7 speed gear ranges
are still currently available, albeit not in the nice shiny versions
they once used to have, whereas just about all that's left of 8 is, as I
said, crap.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

BTW, by headwind I don't mean a slight breeze of 15 mph, I mean -- as
just now in April, the cruelest month, sustained 30 gusting to 40+. I dunno
if upright bars make much sense for that -- granted, it's not everyday, but
high winds are common.

Still intrigued.

Off on the Ram to the PO and store 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 09:01 -0700, RJM wrote:
 I would be alright with some nice choices in 7 speed cassettes and
 chains.  

Then you must be alright right now, because there ARE plenty of nice
choices in 7 speed cassettes, and also some nice 7/8 speed chains for
them.  Note that the chains are all now called 7/8, there hasn't been
a 7 only chain in something like 20 years.

Cassettes:  http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html#7   unfortunately,
now only black HG-50, but at least the ratios are all still there.



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[RBW] Lost dustcover, going clipless until the replacement arrives

2013-04-16 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv

It doesn't rain here during the summer, so I took advantage of the public 
holiday yesterday to take the fenders off my Sam and give it a good 
cleaning. Imagine my surprise when I took the right crank off (!) to clean 
the chain rings and found that my right Grip King had no dust cover and I 
was staring at naked grease. The left side pedal isn't spinning as nicely 
as I'd like, so I took them both off and slapped on an old pair of clipless 
pedals that I had around. I used to use these with SPD sandals so I thought 
I'd give them a try until I can fix or replace the Grip Kings. I will order 
the spare dustcover and fiddle with the bearing on the left one this 
weekend. Meantime it's back to SPDs for a while. 

Hope I remember how :)

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

2013-04-16 Thread Brian Campbell

Or keep the Single/fixed gear the same and buy a second bike? This seems 
more like a study of can I do this, rather than should I do this..

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

I've used both 15 and 16 t outer cogs by Miche. 7 speed DA on the Ram
starts with 14. 16 is the largest, but you can fudge anything as an outer
if you are willing to compromise on cassette position and # of cogs. My 14
t outer is a standard inner.

Friction shifting 9 on the Fargo now, with Silver BES -- no problem, even
with out-of-sync ramps. But I daresay I shift less than many, and am less
concerned with precision and that, as they always say, YMMAVCWV.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 10:11 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
  I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8
  speed systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in
  respect of drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the
  standpoint of both use and money, the best solution.

 I tried Sun Tour Sprint friction shifters with 8 speed Hyperglide.
 Didn't work well at all: far too much ghost shifting.  I moved the
 shifters to a new bike with 7 speed Hyperglide and found it worked very
 well.

 Also: 8 speed never had a range of gearings that began with 13.  Other
 than for juniors, they began with 11 or 12.  Nowadays just about all you
 can get in 8 begins with 11.  Except on my 17 wheeled Moulton, I have
 no use whatever for 11 tooth sprockets, and I would need a 44 tooth
 large chain ring to get the high gear I like with a 12 tooth sprocket.
 Summary: except for tandems, for me 8 speed gearing range is crap.

 Seven, on the other hand, had several nice gear sets including 13-30 and
 13-34.  Seven also has the 14-32, which is surprisingly perfect on a
 650B bike with a 39/53 double.  What's more, all the 7 speed gear ranges
 are still currently available, albeit not in the nice shiny versions
 they once used to have, whereas just about all that's left of 8 is, as I
 said, crap.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Mike Williams

Patrick,  maybe try them upside down.  Really good for wind and still good for 
dirt.  If you're thinking about it.  Go with a slightly longer stem like a 11cm

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:34 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 BTW, by headwind I don't mean a slight breeze of 15 mph, I mean -- as just 
 now in April, the cruelest month, sustained 30 gusting to 40+. I dunno if 
 upright bars make much sense for that -- granted, it's not everyday, but high 
 winds are common.
 
 Still intrigued.
 
 Off on the Ram to the PO and store 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

The main advantage of the Jeff Jones short cassette is you can build a 
dishless, hence stronger wheel with a range of gears for varying terrain.  
I'ld have to go back and figure out all the component weights, but I 
imagine even with a rear der the whole set up weighs less than a Rohloff 
wheel.  Of course Rohloff has more gears.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Zack

I have all upright bars, boscos on my hunqapillar and albas on my Sam.

For a while I had noodles on the Sam, but I realized I just don't like 
drops as much as albas or boscos, and got rid of them.  I feel like I ride 
in comfort.  

They are not super fun in crazy strong headwinds, but that is also the 
thing that I like least in all of bike riding, so I don't think drops would 
really solve that lol.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread doc

Why do we tour?  I like Alba's because it's easier to take note of the 
world going by.
http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/imag0012.jpg?w=1024h=574

On Monday, April 15, 2013 1:36:14 PM UTC-4, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 Mark


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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

Patrick,let your imagination go !!  

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3321/3645057344_0eb8b27096_b.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2433/3644420885_6995e0403c_b.jpg



On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:55:14 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Another question about the Albatross bar. One problem is that I'm asking 
 the Fargo to do a very wide spread of duties, from sport tourer through 
 loaded grocery getter to off road machine to -- one day! -- loaded tourer. 
 Each has its own requirements of a bar. (So far, as I've said, the Midge is 
 the best compromise of all - 46 cm Noodle, 42 cm Noodle, Midge) EXCEPT for 
 my unfortunately and preternaturally sensitive left palm.

 So: how does the Albatross do:

 1. in heavy headwinds? Where do you hold on when bucking a steady 25 mph 
 wind?

 2. On steep, dirt drop-offs? Where do you hold so that you keep yourself 
 secure while still being able to brake?

 Maybe -- hate the thought, but just maybe -- the solution is to sell the 
 Fargo and use the Ram for uses 1, 2 and 4, and get a dirt-specific 29er for 
 use #3

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

Patrick, I ride my Albas on windy days up to 55mph !   Those days are umm 
... fun !The bars are not an issue   the bike itself is the issue 
in strong crosswinds !!!  ahahaha!!!



On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:34:02 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 BTW, by headwind I don't mean a slight breeze of 15 mph, I mean -- as 
 just now in April, the cruelest month, sustained 30 gusting to 40+. I dunno 
 if upright bars make much sense for that -- granted, it's not everyday, but 
 high winds are common.

 Still intrigued.

 Off on the Ram to the PO and store 


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[RBW] Cleaning out the garage

Building up a Trek 420 in perfect condition as a roadish bike. So I'm 
selling some stuff.

I have a week off and will have everything shipped by next Tuesday as I'm 
usually a pretty slow shipper. Anything not sold by Monday I'll take off. 
Pick up in Seattle great!

64cm 1989 Giant Touring Bike Frame $75 + shipping
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/sets/72157629091481920/
Butted steel, lugged, room for 32s plus fenders, all the eyelets you would 
ever need. New bottom shimano sealed BB. Made in holland

Tall Specialized Rockhopper Frame $20 + shipping
Not cosmetically perfect but no dents or anything. I have pics i can 
send.There is a deore triple converted to a single ring on there I'll leave 
on.

Tubus Cosmo Silver $110 shipped

Brooks Flyer $75 shipped
Honey, black springs, cosmetically perfect. I'm not sure it's even super 
broken in or anything.

32 Panaracer Pasels TGs Folding $40 shipped
I rode them a few miles a day for 2-3 months. Like new but already have 
that Seattle road discolor on the gum walls.
Would trade for similar very low miles 28mm tires which I find to be the 
best size for me.

Shimano XT Long Cage Rapid Rise Derailer
Low miles, excellent condition, black
Would trade for a non-rapid-rise road derailer

Shimano Bar Ends $40 shipped
Pretty good cosmetic condition. Work great.
Would trade for downtube indexable shifters

Shimano dual sided pedals 
PD-M324https://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=PD-M324ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
 $35 
shipped
Would trade for pure SPD pedals.

Sugino XD2 Tripple $80 shipped
Really nice condition
Will trade for a nice double.



I also need some brakes, nutted, room for 28s.

- Ryan


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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Liesl

Hi Friends, great thread.  I just switched to Bosco's on my protobleriot 
single from m'bars and think all my bikes are headed in that direction.  I 
am loving them.  I've had a couple of 20 mile days plus short errands and 
they're great.  I have the 58's and the big surprise here is that they are 
not too wide for me at 5'2.  What's even better is that they are making a 
difference for my neck.  I actually think I'll start a new thread with this 
particular information because there are folks who might benefit from what 
I'm learning.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

In the fat bike world, the 6-of-9 truncated cassette on a SS cassette hub 
allows the chain to clear a fatter-than-spec tire/rim combination. Fat 
bikes require a bit of a steep learning curve. If you're of a roadie 
mindset, the tire pressures, the bottom bracket widths, the frame offsets, 
and the gearing, can throw you for a loop. On my Moonlander, I have a 22/36 
crank with a 12-36 10s cassette. If I wanted to run something approaching 
Moonlander tires/rims on a Pugsley, I'd likely have to go to a single ring 
crank and an outward-spaced truncated cassette.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:51:48 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 The main advantage of the Jeff Jones short cassette is you can build a 
 dishless, hence stronger wheel with a range of gears for varying terrain.  
 I'ld have to go back and figure out all the component weights, but I 
 imagine even with a rear der the whole set up weighs less than a Rohloff 
 wheel.  Of course Rohloff has more gears.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

2013-04-16 Thread iamkeith

Sorry, Matthew - I didn't make myself clear.  I simply meant that if you 
really wanted to use a hub with a short cassette, it wouldn't be that 
much of a stretch (no pun intended) to use a 130mm hub, where a 120 is 
intended.  I was referencing the Rohloff thing because people have done it, 
even though it's wider yet.  I realize you've thought about the 130mm 
option, but weren't sure if you were aware of the previous successful hacks.
 
 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:51:48 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:

 The main advantage of the Jeff Jones short cassette is you can build a 
 dishless, hence stronger wheel with a range of gears for varying terrain.  
 I'ld have to go back and figure out all the component weights, but I 
 imagine even with a rear der the whole set up weighs less than a Rohloff 
 wheel.  Of course Rohloff has more gears.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

2013-04-16 Thread Philip Williamson

Would it work to put a bunch of singlespeed sprockets onto a cassette? Only 
13 to 22t with Surly... http://surlybikes.com/parts/cassette_cog
That could give you a 9 speed corncob with tall teeth, mated to wide-spaced 
rings, like 24, 34, 44. I'm the last person you should ask about 
shifting-ease, though. I'm happy using a stick. 

Philip
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On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:57:38 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:



 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:56:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even 
 back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that 
 made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total 
 market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the 
 readership of this google group. 


 :^) 

 Quite possiblly, Steve... 

 My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a 
 less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the 
 topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not 
 stay put if you choose to manually shift.  It seemed like it would be  a 
 bit cheaper and therefore more possible for them to come up with a 
 long-lasting cassette of robust sprockets than hope they would tool up for 
 freewheels. 

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

Clayton, you can use your bar end shifters and Dyna-Sys 10sp cassette if 
you use a Shimano 9sp derailleur.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:28:33 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:

 Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
 WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
 friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
 and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
 all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
 engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

 I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
 stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
 shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
 with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
 promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
 rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
 stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
 I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

 Jenny

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning out the garage

I had some questions really quick that I'll just answer to all.

The tubus does have the mounting pieces. For some reason they are black 
rather than silver.

The cranks are 175 and I'd be interested in 175+ for trades.

The xt derailer I didn't price! Is $40 shipped ok?





On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:33:23 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 Building up a Trek 420 in perfect condition as a roadish bike. So I'm 
 selling some stuff.

 I have a week off and will have everything shipped by next Tuesday as I'm 
 usually a pretty slow shipper. Anything not sold by Monday I'll take off. 
 Pick up in Seattle great!

 64cm 1989 Giant Touring Bike Frame $75 + shipping
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/sets/72157629091481920/
 Butted steel, lugged, room for 32s plus fenders, all the eyelets you would 
 ever need. New bottom shimano sealed BB. Made in holland

 Tall Specialized Rockhopper Frame $20 + shipping
 Not cosmetically perfect but no dents or anything. I have pics i can 
 send.There is a deore triple converted to a single ring on there I'll leave 
 on.

 Tubus Cosmo Silver $110 shipped

 Brooks Flyer $75 shipped
 Honey, black springs, cosmetically perfect. I'm not sure it's even super 
 broken in or anything.

 32 Panaracer Pasels TGs Folding $40 shipped
 I rode them a few miles a day for 2-3 months. Like new but already have 
 that Seattle road discolor on the gum walls.
 Would trade for similar very low miles 28mm tires which I find to be the 
 best size for me.

 Shimano XT Long Cage Rapid Rise Derailer
 Low miles, excellent condition, black
 Would trade for a non-rapid-rise road derailer

 Shimano Bar Ends $40 shipped
 Pretty good cosmetic condition. Work great.
 Would trade for downtube indexable shifters

 Shimano dual sided pedals 
 PD-M324https://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=PD-M324ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
  $35 
 shipped
 Would trade for pure SPD pedals.

 Sugino XD2 Tripple $80 shipped
 Really nice condition
 Will trade for a nice double.



 I also need some brakes, nutted, room for 28s.

 - Ryan




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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

I like the idea of a wide-range 7sp or 8sp cassette, like 12-36 or 
something. Pair it with a mountain double crank. I'm thinking of my amazing 
SRAM 2x10 kits, but with fewer cogs.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:28:33 AM UTC-5, clayton wrote:

 Here is what I would like to see them make.  Cassette hub, 7 or 8 speed 
 WIDE ratio cassette, Bomb proof (literally) bar end index shifters with 
 friction option or disc brake levers (maybe brifters, crash proof though, 
 and sealed against crashing in a pumice dust and sand pile, don't ask) and 
 all wrapped up in a nice silver polish or black matte anodization with 
 engraving. All built for the long haul and severe service. 

 I am pretty much done with shimano. I bought their new Deore Xt dynasys 
 stuff (10 speed) and discovered it won't work with 10 speed bar end 
 shifters that no longer have a friction option). I replaced my drop bars 
 with Sycip swept bars and put on the Dynasys mountain bike shifters. I 
 promptly broke the plastic casing and bent the steel guts when I tried to 
 rotate the shifter on the bar which wasn't even that tight. My son uses X0 
 stuff and it seems to be much better made. Next time..Sorry Shimano, 
 I've been loyal, but Suntour or Sram is getting my money next time.

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:39:55 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
 Suntour components...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, Wa

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield plat...@gmail.com
 *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
 *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back  says it's keeping it real w/ old 
 skool ideology*

 Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
 business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
 electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
 enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
 nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
 cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
 components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday.

 Read more here https://stan-pun.squarespace.com/about/.

 Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suntour is back says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

The Surly cog cassette was discussed at HC clubhouse earlier today. Surly 
cogs retail for $25+ each...

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:45:57 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Would it work to put a bunch of singlespeed sprockets onto a cassette? 
 Only 13 to 22t with Surly... http://surlybikes.com/parts/cassette_cog
 That could give you a 9 speed corncob with tall teeth, mated to 
 wide-spaced rings, like 24, 34, 44. I'm the last person you should ask 
 about shifting-ease, though. I'm happy using a stick. 

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:57:38 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:



 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:56:59 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 That assumes there's actually a market for straight-cut sprockets.  Even 
 back in the 1970s they were actively searching for tooth profiles that 
 made shifting easier.  Remember Shimano's wavy teeth?  I doubt the total 
 market for such cassettes in this country would even be as large as the 
 readership of this google group. 


 :^) 

 Quite possiblly, Steve... 

 My thoughts were really in the context of the SunXCD comments about a 
 less-race oriented direction combined with the regular resurfacing of the 
 topic of ghost shifting and tendency of current cassette designs to not 
 stay put if you choose to manually shift.  It seemed like it would be  a 
 bit cheaper and therefore more possible for them to come up with a 
 long-lasting cassette of robust sprockets than hope they would tool up for 
 freewheels. 

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com



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[RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB

I'm more comfortable on a mountain bike than road bike, and maybe that's 
why I prefer the Nitto Moose bars... I have 3 sets of em.  I also have a 
set of Noodles, which are the most comfortable drops I've ever used, but I 
always gravitate to the moose.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:12:25 PM UTC-4, doc wrote:

 Why do we tour?  I like Alba's because it's easier to take note of the 
 world going by.
 http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/imag0012.jpg?w=1024h=574

 On Monday, April 15, 2013 1:36:14 PM UTC-4, markt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will 
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown 
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of 
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an 
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
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[RBW] Neck Pain, and Upright Bars/Bosco's

2013-04-16 Thread Liesl

Hi Friends, I started this post on the recent thread about switching to 
uprights, but I thought I'd start a related new thread that focuses on neck 
pain.  As you might recall from an old post/thread, my neck pain is 
formally being treated and I have some moderate deterioration in the 6-7 
cervical vertebrae.  Good-bye mustaches and hello Bosco's.  

So specifically, I just switched to Bosco's on my little 51cm Protobleriot 
single from m'bars and think all my bikes are headed in that direction.  I 
am loving them.  I've had a couple of 20 mile days plus short errands.  I 
have the 58's and the big surprise here is that they are not too wide for 
me at 5'2.  What's even better is that they are making a difference for my 
neck.  The combo of having a more upright position and wider bars is that 
they provide a healthy posture for both my neck (having the weight of the 
head on top of the shoulders) and shoulders (being more stretched back and 
out instead of rolled forward and in).  Plus the Bosco's give you so many 
hand positions.  My only complaint is brake-cable-mitten space.  Haven't 
gotten it dialed in yet.  No problem without mittens. Dialing in also 
includes saddle adjustment.

Anyway, I can feel it making a difference in the short time I've had it set 
up.  

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Re: [RBW] Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Robert F. Harrison

I started with Moustache bars on a Quickbeam a couple of years back and
loved the combination. I've never really been a fan of drops, just never
got comfortable, so the Moustache bars were great.

Then, while visiting the Bay Area last year after an Oregon coast ride
(super), I went to Riv HQ (as I had on my previous Bay visit) and more or
less fell in love with the Hunq. The demo I rode had Albas on them and
oddly I can't say I was immediately impressed, but I ordered a Hunq with an
Alba kit build figuring I'd give them a try and...

When my Hunq arrived later last year I fiddled with positioning a bit and
discovered I loved the Alba bars. In fact I liked them so much I ordered
another set for my Quickbeam. Now I've got two bikes with Albas and think
they are both super. The M-bars are going to Hilo one of these days where I
have an RB-1 with drops that I'm just not happy with. I think the M-bars
will fix that bike right up.

The Albas give me great control in town as I'm 90% an urban rider logging
10-20 miles most days running around Honolulu. On weekends I do longer
rides and camping trips and have no trouble climbing with the Albas or
getting bit more aero on longer runs into the tradewinds.

I have some Bosco bars around I was going to use on an old bike project but
realized after I'd bought them that they'd come back a bit too far for the
size of the frame (which is really a bit small for me but still okay with
the parts I've used). I don't know exactly what I'll do with them - but
they'll be used sooner or later.

Aloha,

Bob


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 I've just recently ordered a new single top tube Sam that Jim Thill will
 be helping me to assemble. I noticed that all of Grant P's bikes are shown
 with upright bars on the staff bikes page of the Riv website. Have any of
 the rest of you gone all upright. Any limits for how far you've found an
 albatross or bosco bar to be comfortable?
 Thanks,
 Mark

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[RBW] Re: Cleaning out the garage

Rack, shifters, derailer, tires sold. Trying to trade the saddle.

- Ryan



On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:48:56 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I had some questions really quick that I'll just answer to all.

 The tubus does have the mounting pieces. For some reason they are black 
 rather than silver.

 The cranks are 175 and I'd be interested in 175+ for trades.

 The xt derailer I didn't price! Is $40 shipped ok?





 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:33:23 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 Building up a Trek 420 in perfect condition as a roadish bike. So I'm 
 selling some stuff.

 I have a week off and will have everything shipped by next Tuesday as I'm 
 usually a pretty slow shipper. Anything not sold by Monday I'll take off. 
 Pick up in Seattle great!

 64cm 1989 Giant Touring Bike Frame $75 + shipping
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/sets/72157629091481920/
 Butted steel, lugged, room for 32s plus fenders, all the eyelets you 
 would ever need. New bottom shimano sealed BB. Made in holland

 Tall Specialized Rockhopper Frame $20 + shipping
 Not cosmetically perfect but no dents or anything. I have pics i can 
 send.There is a deore triple converted to a single ring on there I'll leave 
 on.

 Tubus Cosmo Silver $110 shipped

 Brooks Flyer $75 shipped
 Honey, black springs, cosmetically perfect. I'm not sure it's even super 
 broken in or anything.

 32 Panaracer Pasels TGs Folding $40 shipped
 I rode them a few miles a day for 2-3 months. Like new but already have 
 that Seattle road discolor on the gum walls.
 Would trade for similar very low miles 28mm tires which I find to be the 
 best size for me.

 Shimano XT Long Cage Rapid Rise Derailer
 Low miles, excellent condition, black
 Would trade for a non-rapid-rise road derailer

 Shimano Bar Ends $40 shipped
 Pretty good cosmetic condition. Work great.
 Would trade for downtube indexable shifters

 Shimano dual sided pedals 
 PD-M324https://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=PD-M324ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
  $35 
 shipped
 Would trade for pure SPD pedals.

 Sugino XD2 Tripple $80 shipped
 Really nice condition
 Will trade for a nice double.



 I also need some brakes, nutted, room for 28s.

 - Ryan




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[RBW] Re: New Riv owner -- this time, with pictures!

2013-04-16 Thread Ryan

Man..pretty bike. It sure cleaned up nicely and it looks like it was in 
good shape to begin with. Nice wheels and drivetrain...That's an intersting 
stem...it looks like you could adjust the angle. There is something special 
about the classic Rivs. Anyway, enjoy!
 
Enjoy
On Monday, April 15, 2013 10:56:35 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I bought a '97 Rivendell Road last week.  I discovered Rivendell a couple 
 years ago, and though I identified with Grant and his Rivendell ethos, I 
 never imagined I could own one of these beautiful--and expensive--machines. 
  I figured the closest I'd get would be a refitted old lug frame, or a 
 Surly. 

 I like to cruise the local bike ads on Craigslist, and one guy listed a 97 
 Rivendell with one crappy picture.  Long story short, it's the perfect 
 size, the perfect bike, in non-perfect shape, for an amazing price.

 Some cleaning later, here she is:



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[RBW] Re: New Riv owner -- this time, with pictures!

beautiful bike!!!







On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:56:35 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I bought a '97 Rivendell Road last week.  I discovered Rivendell a couple 
 years ago, and though I identified with Grant and his Rivendell ethos, I 
 never imagined I could own one of these beautiful--and expensive--machines. 
  I figured the closest I'd get would be a refitted old lug frame, or a 
 Surly.

 I like to cruise the local bike ads on Craigslist, and one guy listed a 97 
 Rivendell with one crappy picture.  Long story short, it's the perfect 
 size, the perfect bike, in non-perfect shape, for an amazing price.

 Some cleaning later, here she is:



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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

 In the fat bike world, the 6-of-9 truncated cassette on a SS cassette hub 
allows the chain to clear a fatter-than-spec tire/rim combination. Fat 
bikes require a bit of a steep learning curve. If you're of a roadie 
mindset, the tire pressures, the bottom bracket widths, the frame offsets, 
and the gearing, can throw you for a loop. On my Moonlander, I have a 22/36 
crank with a 12-36 10s cassette. If I wanted to run something approaching 
Moonlander tires/rims on a Pugsley, I'd likely have to go to a single ring 
crank and an outward-spaced truncated cassette.
 
Jim - thanks for this.  Jeff Jones is clearly a fat bike denzien.  But the 
short cassette, I hope anyway, has applications even for those of us who 
have not quite yet made our way to the fat bike world.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cleaning out the garage

2013-04-16 Thread Tim Gavin

yeah, hold the tires until you hear back about the saddle. that way you
could ship them together if the trade falls through.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:

Rack, shifters, derailer, tires sold. Trying to trade the saddle.

- Ryan

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:48:56 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

I had some questions really quick that I'll just answer to all.

The tubus does have the mounting pieces. For some reason they are black
rather than silver.

The cranks are 175 and I'd be interested in 175+ for trades.

The xt derailer I didn't price! Is $40 shipped ok?

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:33:23 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

Building up a Trek 420 in perfect condition as a roadish bike. So I'm
selling some stuff.

I have a week off and will have everything shipped by next Tuesday as
I'm usually a pretty slow shipper. Anything not sold by Monday I'll take
off. Pick up in Seattle great!

64cm 1989 Giant Touring Bike Frame $75 + shipping
http://www.flickr.com/photos/**ryanrray/sets/**72157629091481920/http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/sets/72157629091481920/
Butted steel, lugged, room for 32s plus fenders, all the eyelets you
would ever need. New bottom shimano sealed BB. Made in holland

Tall Specialized Rockhopper Frame $20 + shipping
Not cosmetically perfect but no dents or anything. I have pics i can
send.There is a deore triple converted to a single ring on there I'll leave
on.

Tubus Cosmo Silver $110 shipped

Brooks Flyer $75 shipped
Honey, black springs, cosmetically perfect. I'm not sure it's even super
broken in or anything.

32 Panaracer Pasels TGs Folding $40 shipped
I rode them a few miles a day for 2-3 months. Like new but already have
that Seattle road discolor on the gum walls.
Would trade for similar very low miles 28mm tires which I find to be the
best size for me.

Shimano XT Long Cage Rapid Rise Derailer
Low miles, excellent condition, black
Would trade for a non-rapid-rise road derailer

Shimano Bar Ends $40 shipped
Pretty good cosmetic condition. Work great.
Would trade for downtube indexable shifters

Shimano dual sided pedals
PD-M324https://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=PD-M324ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
$35
shipped
Would trade for pure SPD pedals.

Sugino XD2 Tripple $80 shipped
Really nice condition
Will trade for a nice double.

I also need some brakes, nutted, room for 28s.

- Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

 Sorry, Matthew - I didn't make myself clear.  I simply meant that if you 
really wanted to use a hub with a short cassette, it wouldn't be that 
much of a stretch (no pun intended) to use a 130mm hub, where a 120 is 
intended.  I was referencing the Rohloff thing because people have done it, 
even though it's wider yet.  I realize you've thought about the 130mm 
option, but weren't sure if you were aware of the previous successful hacks.

My reasons are probably more in man from Mars territory. My road bike with 
the most gears is a 12 speed.  My short tourer and city bike are five and 
single speed.  So I was naturally attracted to which as Jim points out are 
Fat Bike solutions for my off road tourer, even though it will not be a fat 
bike. 
 
And full confession - some of my design theories have not panned out in the 
past.  Maybe I'll be in the middle of Wisconsin this somewhere having a 
what the hay dilly dilly was I thinking moment.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv owner -- this time, with pictures!

2013-04-16 Thread Tim Gavin

Oh, it has its share of scratches and one noticeable dent on the top tube.
 But it has those classic lines that I can look at all day.  If I'm not
riding it, which I'm about to do.

The stem is an old SRAM adjustable.  I had one on my too-small Rockhopper
back in the 90s to get the bars up to a decent height.  They're versatile,
but I'm not crazy about them. The adjustment will eventually get loose on
me if I yank on the bars while standing to climb a hill, no matter how hard
you tighten the adjustment bolt.  I'll probly pick up a nice, tall Nitto
stem at some point.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:

 beautiful bike!!!







 On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:56:35 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I bought a '97 Rivendell Road last week.  I discovered Rivendell a couple
 years ago, and though I identified with Grant and his Rivendell ethos, I
 never imagined I could own one of these beautiful--and expensive--machines.
  I figured the closest I'd get would be a refitted old lug frame, or a
 Surly.

 I like to cruise the local bike ads on Craigslist, and one guy listed a
 97 Rivendell with one crappy picture.  Long story short, it's the perfect
 size, the perfect bike, in non-perfect shape, for an amazing price.

 Some cleaning later, here she is:

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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

yeah, Philip, I ordered the Problem Solvers downtube cable stops and 
derailer hanger back in the fall after first contemplating this, but i 
eventually talked myself out of the hack.  i totally forgot about the lack 
of chainstay cable stops.  gonna have to think on that one...

-Jay B. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:55:51 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 The 120mm spacing is the key to retrofitting a Quickbeam, or any other 
 track bike. My Ross would be the best candidate, since it has cable 
 stops, and I have a derailleur claw adapter.

 Problem Solvers has clamp-on DT shifter mounts, zip-tie cable guides, and 
 a chain tensioner than can be used as a derailleur hanger. The QB would 
 need cablestops fabricated, I think. Definitely post any Quickbeam hacks!

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

you're right, Keith, the 130mm isn't a drastic move at all.  i have a 105 
hub that slides right into the dropouts on the QB.  i'll look into those 
Profile Racing 120mm hubs.  I know next to nothing about BMX specific 
components.  

-Jay B.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:16:17 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:


 Given the fact that several people have successfully re-set the rear end 
 of Simple Ones to utilize 135mm Rohloff hubs though, I think 130mm might 
 not be too drastic of a modification, if someone were really set on the 
 idea.
  
 The other option might be to go *smalle*r - to a BMX 110 mm spacing.  A 
 quick web search turns up at least one mfgr., Profile, has several single 
 speed cassette hubs.  Looks like they even offer a 120mm upgrade too.   Not 
 sure what the freehub interface looks like, though:
  
 https://www.profileracing.com/estore/product.php?productId=110
  
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

Interest thread. I've tried upside-down upright bars and they all hurt my
left palm, so when I try Albatrosses, it will be in the up position.

I think this is what I'll do: if and when I sell the Fargo (because the Ram
does the pavement part so much nicer, and because I really want a ss 29er
for off road) I'll set up the 29er with Albas.

Just got back from a 3 mile grocery/PO trip + 10 mile detour with winds
30-gusting-to-40, on the Ram, coming back the last 5 miles with 34 lbs on
the Fly/Banjos. Tucked into the hooks of the 42 cm Noodles downhill in the
70, outbound, sitting upright (and standing) uphill, in the 70, inbound.
Yesterday, not quite as windy, but 7-8 miles south into 15 with higher
gusts in the hooks of the GB Maes Parallels on the 75 gofast. I like hooks
too much for aero and power in such situations and frankly, I find my drops
very comfortable. 'Cept my left palm on that Midge.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread Jim Mather

Upside down Noodle bars would be very comfortable.

jim m
wc ca


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:02 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interest thread. I've tried upside-down upright bars and they all hurt my
 left palm, so when I try Albatrosses, it will be in the up position.

 I think this is what I'll do: if and when I sell the Fargo (because the
 Ram does the pavement part so much nicer, and because I really want a ss
 29er for off road) I'll set up the 29er with Albas.

 Just got back from a 3 mile grocery/PO trip + 10 mile detour with winds
 30-gusting-to-40, on the Ram, coming back the last 5 miles with 34 lbs on
 the Fly/Banjos. Tucked into the hooks of the 42 cm Noodles downhill in the
 70, outbound, sitting upright (and standing) uphill, in the 70, inbound.
 Yesterday, not quite as windy, but 7-8 miles south into 15 with higher
 gusts in the hooks of the GB Maes Parallels on the 75 gofast. I like hooks
 too much for aero and power in such situations and frankly, I find my drops
 very comfortable. 'Cept my left palm on that Midge.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

2013-04-16 Thread bobish

 Can Albatrosses take bar end shifters? Can Albatrosses be slowly winging 
 their way toward my Fargo ...???

My Fargo here with criteria met.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuadwqs0poqso5z/Photo%20May%2007%2C%2010%2006%2005%20PM.jpg

-
Perry

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?