Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Let's get Monty Python back On Topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Hey Philip, > — Yes, slippery slope is a logical falicy, as well as, done properly, a > logical argument. > — Nae, I took no umbrage to

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Hey Philip, — Yes, slippery slope is a logical falicy, as well as, done properly, a logical argument. — Nae, I took no umbrage to “ghetto tubeless.” — I had no idea an invitation to expand knowledge was a statement that I was offended and asking for anyone to reign in anything. I also recommend

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Wait til Biggus *Hunqus hears of this! *edited for Riv content P.S. I choose CAKE P.S.S. Couldn't resist, Ok, I'll stop On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 10:13:36 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: > Aren't you the guy who took umbrage at being told the term "ghetto > tubeless" could offend

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Where does this leave Cinelli Pope handlebars? What about the later copies with revisions? Are they Episcopal bars? Are Jones bars more aptly named Mormon bars for their quintessentially American origin? Are track drops on a Pistachio Buddhist bars? Or would that be chopped off drops into

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Close this thread now! Before all hell (haha) breaks out. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

+1 On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Paul Choi wrote: > Do not forget why we come to this board. Why do we need to tear down and > attack members here? > > On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote: >> >> A Sam Hillborne was spotted in the

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Why not? You would reign in references to racist or sexist terms, would you not? On what basis then do you include other offensive statements published on list? Now, the Monty Python reference doesn't bother me, even though I am a practicing Orthodox Christian who was raised traditional Roman

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Do not forget why we come to this board. Why do we need to tear down and attack members here? On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote: > > A Sam Hillborne was spotted in the same spot for weeks on end until > someone finally cut the u-lock and posted this on

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Churches (Catholic/Protestant and the rest) specialize in revisionist history. They have all been selling it for the 2000 years or so.. On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 5:48:36 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Do your own research, but the Spanish inquisition may not be what most > people

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I can’t imagine anything more ludicrous. On Feb 6, 2018, 7:29 PM -0800, Steve Palincsar , wrote: > Rein in a Monty Python reference because of alleged Catholic sensitivities?  > I should hope not. > > On 02/06/2018 10:13 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: > > Aren't you the guy who

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Rein in a Monty Python reference because of alleged Catholic sensitivities?  I should hope not. On 02/06/2018 10:13 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: Aren't you the guy who took umbrage at being told the term "ghetto tubeless" could offend people? I'll reign in the Monty Python "Spanish

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Aren't you the guy who took umbrage at being told the term "ghetto tubeless" could offend people? I'll reign in the Monty Python "Spanish Inquisition" references in future, out of deference to my Catholic friends. I reserve a future "CAKE OR DEATH" reference, though. as an homage to my

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Do your own research, but the Spanish inquisition may not be what most people have been taught. At the risk of pointing out “fake history,” (jwhich as a Catholic I very much wish to point out) the Spanish Inquisition isn’t what most people think. So “No one expects the Spanish Inquisition” is a

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Isn't "slippery slope" the name of a logical fallacy? Dane assessed the situation, took action, and turned out to be correct. Well done, him. I suspect the "warmth in our hearts" sentiment was a kinder form of "I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!"* Philip Santa Rosa, CA *NO ONE EXPECTS

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I also find it weird that someone stole the bike, then locked it up, coincidentally within yards of the victim's favorite cafe, and then never came back to finish stealing it (that is the story, correct?) Maybe *they* got wasted and forgot where they put it? But why not just take it completely

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

No kidding! I perv on any bike within a six block radius. I can spot a rusty UJB with the makings of a low trail 650B conversion through three office buildings and a blind alley, to say nothing of my own bike. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-8,

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I have no real take on the issues discussed, though they are valid and to be considered, from both and all sides... But, BUT! I find it incredible that one could miss their recently stolen 2TT, 62cm?, sage green, Rivendell Hillborne while walking anywhere close to it! I know I sometimes

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Without humble obedience to striving for Right Relationship with our neighbor (and who isn’t our neighbor?), everything is a slippery slope, including the arguement of slippery slope to justify walking past a possible neighbor in need. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I certainly get all that, and it makes a ton of sense when looked at in a certain light. I'm just pointing out that it can be a slippery slope. And I do think that laws against theft are more than just bureaucracy. And you can hear this same argument, same line of thinking applied in other

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Something I’ve not seen in this discussion yet, and the reason I waited to post to this thread until an outcome was known, is that the local knowledge (including the “feel” of something just being off) can allow one to take action as a close neighbor that in a different block would be foolish.

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I suppose it comes down to the classic Does the end justify the means. On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:57:32 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Well, it certainly was the best possible outcome, and I'm happy the owner > was reunited with his bicycle! But nobody here needs to learn how >

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Well, it certainly was the best possible outcome, and I'm happy the owner was reunited with his bicycle! But nobody here needs to learn how long-winded I can be... First, of course, if the videographer had called the police and they happened to show while you were saving the bike, that would

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Sounds like it was taken from his backyard while he was inside taking a quick shower and lunch. I found it locked outside my work, near a coffee shop less than half a mile away that he said he frequents and he probably would have seen it if he had ever turned right out of the coffee shop

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Dane, if any of my family bikes are stolen I’m calling you. And I live on the east coast :-) Well done - great ending! Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Dane, Good for you and good for the owner. I will only chastise you about one thing: You left us all hanging as to why the bike was there. Columbo never ended the show like that. Give up the 411! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Nicely done, and thanks EricF Ottawa On 5 February 2018 at 17:40, Bill Lindsay wrote: > So the guy on the right is the owner of the bike? That's the happy ending > I was hoping for. > > What was the backstory to how the bike ended up locked to a pole for at > least two

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

So the guy on the right is the owner of the bike? That's the happy ending I was hoping for. What was the backstory to how the bike ended up locked to a pole for at least two weeks? Was it stolen and abandoned by the original thief? Regarding your explanation for why you took possession

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Dane, great job! On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote: > > A Sam Hillborne was spotted in the same spot for weeks on end until > someone finally cut the u-lock and posted this on Craigslist. > > As of now, as far as I know, the Craigslist poster has not

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Dear Dane, Your neighborliness is a gift. Thank you for the blessing of your dogged compassion. With abandon, Patreick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Hi, That's me on the left up there. I'm the person who cut this bike off of the rack, call me vigilante, Robin Hood, et al. I suppose enough

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

This episode also furthers the need to register your bikes with BikeIndex.org I hope the bike gets home and I hope that all is resolved without hard feelings or martial intervention. -J On Feb 2, 2018, 4:09 PM -0800, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch ,

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

But spreading the word is the whole point. It just so happens that apparently the RBW Owners Bunch is chock full of internet litigators. Sure, life is full of gray areas. Operating on the motivational principle, if you catch some kid stealing sunglasses from your store, and he tells you he is

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Hi, I'm the guy that posted this in the first place. I have exchanged emails with the Craiglist poster. I have a report from someone in the neighborhood who spoke with him in person. He has reposted the ad. He has asked me on more than one occasion if I've had any luck on my end tracking

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I read a thread on crazyguyonabike not long ago by a couple whose tandem was stolen in New Orleans (I think) while they were eating lunch on their cross country tour. The bike was rather immediately purchased by a good samaritan, knowing it was stolen, for a song. Amazingly, he found the true

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Link above doesn’t work. This should: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/kE4C2hvv-xY Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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I’ll agree with all of this on the condition that we all agree that purchasing a bike you think is stolen to try and return it to the rightful owner is also a crime, raises as many or more ethical issues, and should no longer be praised. Intentions don’t matter, right? Purchasing stolen

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

As in the rest of life - intentions don’t matter, impact does. The impact is that someone has now definitely had their bike stolen. -J On Feb 2, 2018, 1:40 PM -0800, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch , wrote: > Bill Lindsay wrote: The innocence of our

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Bill Lindsay wrote:* The innocence of our Craigslist angel is established completely by us believing his story about his intent. It's just a variant of the "I was just borrowing it" defense. That defense is valid if we believe it, and is invalid if we don't. * In this case I would argue it

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I'm going to say that if that were my bike and "something bad happened" to me I would NOT want a stranger to cut my lock and put it in their garage and try to look for me. Even if "something bad" happens to me I will know where I left my bike and will return for it or send someone for it.

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

#1 - It's not a "tough" situation. #2 - The right thing to do is handle your business. #3 - Only in Portland. #4 - It's totally theft of lost/mislaid property & criminal damage (for lock). And on a serious note, I'd be okay with this if it was Riv custom, an Atlantis, AHH, or Hunq. But for

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Yep! At what point does a "the owner didn't claim it" bike become "my bike"? When I saw that Sam in San Francisco, locked up outdoors for months on end, I twice placed an ad on Craigslist asking the owner that if she or he no longer wanted that Sam Hillborne parked somewhere in the city, I'd

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

As others have mentioned, what I get hung up on is, what will the CL dude do if/when nobody comes forward for the bike? Does he have an ultimate plan on that? Will he eventually assume nobody is coming back for it and relinquish it to the police as a 'found item'? Or will he keep it

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I skapprove if Bill’s armchair lawyer assessment and of his lawyer friend’s assessment. My car once got a sticker and boot on it because it was parked across the street from my apartment for over 72 hours. That neighbor was a particularly picky person who felt they “owned” the space and used

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Justin approves and disapproves, as is his right. I think this guy in PDX sounds like a guardian angel, and I hope deep in my soul that this story has a happy ending and turns out to be victimless. If something of mine got stolen I'd rather it be safe and warm in a nice guys house where I

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Bill- I approve of your Ska-inclusiveness but disapprove of your ska-analogy. See you in the pit, Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Bravo! On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 2:47:50 PM UTC-8, MartyG wrote: > > > Many Super Blue Blood Moons ago, I penned this quaint verse for the now > lost and forgotten A. Homer Hilsen website. Kind of apropos to bring it up > in this thread, don't you think? > > > > *The Resurrection of A.

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Mark in Beacon, I had those exact thoughts. What better cover than to say...I tried to find the owner, publicly. Oh well, I'll have to put this Riv to good use. Doug On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 8:52:10 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > John mentions a u-lock being cut, but the ad as

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Ditto, Marty. Awesome. And eerily spot on. Really what the guy should have done is alerted the hotline, then maybe posted on cl that he had done so (mentioning bike description details but not its location). On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 6:07:30 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote: > > Marty, that

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

John mentions a u-lock being cut, but the ad as currently missing does not contain this info. I assume either the cl poster changed the copy to appear less incriminating or John made a logical assumption, since it is doubtful the bike would last more than a few hours in one spot unlocked. So

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

About five years ago I occasionally walked past an orange Sam Hillborne that had been locked up in one place, outdoors, for so long that the components were all rusted and the spokes were a tangle of spider webs. I stopped by my local police station and asked an officer if the owner could be

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Bill, I'm sure you'd return the money if you knew that it came from someone who lost everything: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/22/world/la-fg-japan-returned-money-20110923 This reminds me of the scores of unlocked bikes I saw in Tokyo--even the locked bikes I remember were not locked to

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

This reminds me of a funny story from about 15 years ago. A friend of mine was a researcher at UCLA. She lived in a large apartment building near the campus. At some point she noticed a nicer than campus bike locked on a stair handrail. Sat there for months (or so she thought). One day a note

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I agree with the idea to post a notice where the bike was letting the owner know how to contact you. If they were somehow unable to get to their bike for a few weeks (maybe in a coma?) and then went back to retrieve it, there should be some way for them to find it. --Eric N

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Like most cities, Portland has a policy: If you know of a bicycle that has been left in the public right-of-way for more than 72 hours, please call (503) 823-9863 or use the online form to report it as abandoned. Please email

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Marty, that was a truly excellent read. I really, really liked it. Thank you! Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 2:47:50 PM UTC-8, MartyG wrote: > > > Many Super Blue Blood Moons ago, I penned this quaint verse for the now > lost and forgotten A. Homer Hilsen

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I think it is technically theft but the person’s intentions matter here AND would matter a great deal to the police and/or judge. How many times has someone posted on this list that they bought a Rivendell because they suspected it was stolen? There was one only a few weeks ago. Purchasing

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Many Super Blue Blood Moons ago, I penned this quaint verse for the now lost and forgotten A. Homer Hilsen website. Kind of apropos to bring it up in this thread, don't you think? *The Resurrection of A. Homer Hilsen* There it was, there it sat. Bars akimbo, tires flat. Cluster

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Here's another one: I find a quarter on the street. I take it without consent, with the intent to permanently deny the rightful owner of that property I find a $20 bill on the street. I take it without consent, with the intent to permanently deny the rightful owner of that property I find

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Bill: Borrowing without intent is an interesting argument, but I imagine a judge would not be easily convinced that it wasn't intention to permanently deprive. IanA - also not a lawyer. Since when has common sense ever prevailed? Certainly rarely in my life! -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Ian In my example I take it with the intent of temporarily depriving the owner. Only six months! If that's enough for 'theft' aka 'larceny', the why does the wording include 'permanent'. I agree with your common sense interpretation, Ian, but I can't explain the legal wording. I'm not a

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Jeff I did the identical googlings, for theft and unauthorized borrowing --> plagiarism. It's like we used the same interwebz On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 12:59:20 PM UTC-8, Jeff wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote: > >> Interesting. It

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

In your example, Bill, that would be taking something with the intent to deprive it from the owner, even if only for a period of time,which would be an offense. The CL poster has openly declared his intention and he would probably be able to demonstrate to police or the actual owner that he

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Interesting. It isn’t theft if you take something that isn’t yours but > don’t intend to permanently deprive the owner of the property. > > So I could take a bike that isn’t mine, use it for six months and put it > back

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

bw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 12:42 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon A year ago, I would have reported it to the police and given up on it (and maybe declared a theft loss on my tax return). I have never recove

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Gotcha. Well with both bikes and 2 wheelsets i've had stolen in the last 10 years, each cop has told me to watch craigslist diligently. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

A year ago, I would have reported it to the police and given up on it (and maybe declared a theft loss on my tax return). I have never recovered anything that was stolen (including 3 bikes 1977 and earlier). Laing On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 3:37:39 PM UTC-5, drew wrote: > right, but if

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

right, but if one did get stolen now, you'd probably convey that information to someone (maybe here on the group, maybe a bike shop), and that someone would probably ask you if you had checked craigslist. you wouldn't just give up on it and wander the streets, right? -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I haven't had a bike stolen since 1977 and it would never have occurred to me to check Craigslist if I had one stolen up until I read this thread. Maybe the bike belongs to another clueless old guy like me. Laing Cocoa, FL On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 3:23:21 PM UTC-5, drew wrote: > yeah.

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

yeah. If you've ever had a bike stolen and don't check craigslist, you either don't care to get it back or you are living in another age. the ad can be re-upped with a click of a button. its not like you can only post something on craigslist once. the fact that we are all talking about it

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I have exchanged emails with the Craigslist poster, and a guy who lives in the neighborhood where this took place has spoken with him in person at his place of business. While I lack the proper tools to investigate/examine the inner workings of his mind/heart/soul/whatever your reference

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I do believe this is theft...might be well intentioned and the owner *might* get their bike bike but what does the person do if the owner can't be found? Bottom line is that the person cut the lock and took a bike that does not belong to them. But, it may work out for the best in the end

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

LOL So there is this house that has had a car parked in front of the house for a month.Nobody has driven it. You decide to take it in fear that someone might start parting out the car and selling the parts. You get caught with the car and you tell the police "Officer it was parked in front

Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

When the Craiglist ad expires in ~2 weeks, who will remember it? Poster should at least make VERY PUBLICLY CLEAR and known his/her name, address, phone number-- maybe then "the community" will be better able to help connect the owner back with their stolen property. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I might have left a note on the bike asking the owner to call you if they have parked it long term or just happen to have it parked when you go by the spot. I'm sure they would appreciate the concern if they see the note. Otherwise, not a good idea to cut a lock and take a bike in my

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

How would the owner even know to check Craigslist for his bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I wonder what this would be in a legal sense? Would this legally be considered theft? I don't know. I assume it would be, regardless of intent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Interesting. It isn’t theft if you take something that isn’t yours but don’t intend to permanently deprive the owner of the property. So I could take a bike that isn’t mine, use it for six months and put it back where I ‘found’ it without committing theft? Is there a different statute I’ve

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

But it's like letting the Orca starve because seals are so cute! Kind hearted do-gooders wouldn't be that without so much awful stuff in the world. Not to say that we shouldn't be our best selves, but the fact is that's someone else's $3000 rusting away. -Kai BK NY On Thursday, February 1,

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Whatever this may have been, and whatever you may think about it, it was in no way theft. Theft always requires an intent to permanently deprive the owner of the property. Here, the bike was in, some sense, abandoned. A list member secured the bike and is making earnest efforts to find the

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I don't know if i agree. A 3000$ bike, if truly and consistently left for weeks on end (and not just at the times that the person happens to drive by and see it), makes me think that something bad happened. Serious illness, injury, death... something that is preventing the owner from coming

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

It reminds me of a story from the late 80’s. Brian told me that he and his friends disapproved of guys who would go to ska-shows and start fights in the pit. These guys were looking for trouble. Brian’s solution was to go to shows with his friends, seek out those troublemakers, and ‘put them in

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Well-intentioned, but kinda weird. It's not my business how long someone parks their bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

I'm with Marty. -Kai BK NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Don't want to start a big thing here, but it seems to me that's outright theft. No different than seeing a car in the same spot for a while, breaking in and driving it off for "safe keeping". Not cool. Why not alert the proper authorities? My guess is even they would leave it be. No laws are

[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

Wow, tough situation, on one hand it was locked up but otoh it was sitting there for weeks. what's the right thing to do here? do you leave it alone or do take it in assuming something bad? interested to see what the story is behind this. On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 2:21:40 PM UTC-5,