Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-05 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Mark R. Diggory wrote: > >I think I belong to a group who is not totally Eclipse savvy/friendly, and > >somewhat negative to an explicit support of Eclipse and not for other IDEs. > I think that as long as we maintain that an Eclipse plugin is just a > distributable artifact,

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-05 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 May 2005 21:26, Mark R. Diggory wrote: Sorry if my response sounded abrasive, I'm not trying to be. No problem. And ditto sorry. I think I belong to a group who is not totally Eclipse savvy/friendly, and somewhat negative to an explicit support of Ecli

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 21:26, Mark R. Diggory wrote: > Sorry if my response sounded abrasive, I'm not trying to be. No problem. And ditto sorry. I think I belong to a group who is not totally Eclipse savvy/friendly, and somewhat negative to an explicit support of Eclipse and not for other IDEs

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Steve Loughran
On 5/4/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:54, Milos Kleint wrote: > > > Milos, didn't Netbeans itself devise some funky system for the > > > non-distributables and click-thru license approvals?? > > > > AFAIK such dependencies are scrambled and during the bu

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Good stuff, maybe it'd be good to start a separate thread from the Eclipse plugin artifact topic. -Mark Steve Loughran wrote: On 5/4/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:34, Steve Loughran wrote: maven repositories are fun because every JAR is on a URL

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Steve Loughran
On 5/4/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:34, Steve Loughran wrote: > > > maven repositories are fun because every JAR is on a URL; you can pass > > them to a URL classloader as is if you want. The .pom also declares > > dependencies for transitive work; a

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Brett Porter wrote: On 5/5/05, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Where do you see the Eclipse version number (not the artifact version) fitting in? I was under the impression this would be captured within the archive itself. But should it need to be part of the path, it is probably se

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Brett Porter
On 5/5/05, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where do you see the Eclipse version number (not the artifact version) > fitting in? I was under the impression this would be captured within the archive itself. But should it need to be part of the path, it is probably sensible to make it part

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Dion Gillard
Where do you see the Eclipse version number (not the artifact version) fitting in? e.g. /eclipse2-plugins/ /eclipse3-plugins/ /eclipse-plugins/ And what of eclipse features which are a bundling of related plugins and resources? On 5/5/05, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Btw, is ther

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Brett Porter
> Btw, is there any rules that govern what a project > can drop or not drop into the respository? Anything otherwise distributable should be fine. As far as I'm concerned, the repository is still the right place for these - perhaps under /eclipse-plugins/ (or some more suitable name) instead of

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Jeffrey Liu
lease respond to repository To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software Before the conversation continues on a little, I think we need to clarify how things work in Eclipse. First off, there are two types of

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread J Aaron Farr
Before the conversation continues on a little, I think we need to clarify how things work in Eclipse. First off, there are two types of dependencies in Eclipse. One is the traditional IDE project dependency. For example, let's say I'm developing a Struts application. I'll need the Struts jars a

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 May 2005 20:06, Mark Diggory wrote: Thats a little pretentious, so Eclipse should support Maven, but not the other way around? This is not about "every" Apache project having to release Eclipse plugin format, just those that want to. Its trivial for a projec

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 20:06, Mark Diggory wrote: > Thats a little pretentious, so Eclipse should support Maven, but not the > other way around? This is not about "every" Apache project having to > release Eclipse plugin format, just those that want to. Its trivial for > a project to organize an

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 May 2005 04:12, Jeffrey Liu wrote: I want to propose a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software. Reason I propose an Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software IIUYC, and perhaps others have not expressed this d

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Milos Kleint
On 5/4/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:54, Milos Kleint wrote: > > > Milos, didn't Netbeans itself devise some funky system for the > > > non-distributables and click-thru license approvals?? > > > > AFAIK such dependencies are scrambled and during the bu

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark Diggory
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 May 2005 04:12, Jeffrey Liu wrote: I want to propose a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software. Reason I propose an Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software IIUYC, and perhaps others have not expressed this d

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:54, Milos Kleint wrote: > > Milos, didn't Netbeans itself devise some funky system for the > > non-distributables and click-thru license approvals?? > > AFAIK such dependencies are scrambled and during the build process a > special ant task shows a dialog with license an

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Milos Kleint
On 5/4/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:34, Steve Loughran wrote: > > > Incidentally, one pressing problem with the maven repositories is > > there is no easy way to fetch Sun stuff. That is, if I want to use > > Axis with mail.jar and activation,jar,

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 19:34, Steve Loughran wrote: > maven repositories are fun because every JAR is on a URL; you can pass > them to a URL classloader as is if you want. The .pom also declares > dependencies for transitive work; a bit like debian apt-get. I have missed this progress. Can you

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Steve Loughran
On 5/3/05, Jeffrey Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Configure in this case means the user goes to the Eclipse perference page, > choose the version of Tomcat that was downloaded, and point Eclipse to the > location where it was unzipped. Nothing major, but not obvious to novice

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Jeffrey Liu wrote: > I want to propose a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache > projects/software. Reason I propose an Eclipse update manager site for Would be excelent if it can be tied up with the existing dist/mirrored infrastructure for anything 'bulk' down

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 04:12, Jeffrey Liu wrote: > I want to propose a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache > projects/software. Reason I propose an Eclipse update manager site for > Apache projects/software IIUYC, and perhaps others have not expressed this distinctly enough; It s

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark R. Diggory
) T/L: 969 3531 Tel: (905) 413 3531 Fax: (905) 413 4920 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Diggory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/03/2005 03:58 PM Please respond to general To general@incubator.apache.org cc Subject Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software Slow

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Brett Porter wrote: I echo David's sentiments on this. I'd be interested to know what is in the eclipse metadata you want to attach to the various artifacts in the repository, and whether any of it coincides with existing metadata formats in use here, such as the following for parts of jakarta comm

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark Diggory
Brett Porter wrote: I echo David's sentiments on this. I'd be interested to know what is in the eclipse metadata you want to attach to the various artifacts in the repository, and whether any of it coincides with existing metadata formats in use here, such as the following for parts of jakarta comm

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-04 Thread Mark Diggory
200/MKM (D3-268) T/L: 969 3531 Tel: (905) 413 3531 Fax: (905) 413 4920 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Diggory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/03/2005 03:58 PM Please respond to general To general@incubator.apache.org cc Subject Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-03 Thread Brett Porter
huge and users do not want that. It's better to install things on the > > fly when it's needed. That's why I think end users will benefit from > > this update site as well. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeffrey Liu > > IBM Rational Software - Perfo

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-03 Thread Jeffrey Liu
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Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-03 Thread David Jencks
e - Performance Analyst IBM Toronto Lab. 8200 Warden Ave. Markham, Ontario, L6G 1C7 Internal mail: D3/R8V/8200/MKM (D3-268) T/L: 969 3531 Tel: (905) 413 3531 Fax: (905) 413 4920 [EMAIL PROTECTED] J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/03/2005 04:34 PM Please respond to repository To [EMAIL

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-03 Thread Jeffrey Liu
PM Please respond to repository To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software Hello all. I'm also copying over this reply I made from [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5/3/05, Jeffrey Liu <[EMAIL P

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-03 Thread Steve Loughran
On 5/3/05, Jeffrey Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not easy. If there's an Eclipse update manager site for Apache > software, then when the user finds out s/he needs Tomcat and Axis, all s/he > needs to do now is launch the Eclipse update manager (URL to the Apache > update site will be p

Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software

2005-05-03 Thread J Aaron Farr
Hello all. I'm also copying over this reply I made from [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5/3/05, Jeffrey Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > This message was originally posted to the general@incubator.apache.org > mailing list. Someone pointed out that such discussion should be carried out > here