I was just the low life plan reviewer. Forbidden to comment. It was just
obvious to me sometimes that primary design intent of plan submittal was for
plans to be rejected, with goal of renegotiating price. All I could do was
write a review letter and put it on hold.
Then six weeks later they
If project is referencing the IFC I would recommend Chapter 57, which
references back to Chapter 50. If you end up at 5004.2.2.3 you come up with 20
minutes. nb room or design area text.
If you were calling me as a plan reviewer working with an architect there would
be a code analysis agreed
Is the dry system water delivery software capable of modeling this
configuration, using a given water supply?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 10/27/2021 9:50 AM Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> If the pipe marked in red is removed and capped off, it eliminates any
> split
I’m not familiar with NYC’s requirement. I do know FF’s hate waiting for air to
discharge and they get a constant stream of water. Even flat, ostensibly dry
hose has a lot of air in it. I mean the lines between the engine and the FDC.
Then there’s all the air in the standpipe. Pressurize the
Ed,
They’re not using a wrench. They’re breaking out the caps, sticking in a piece
of 1-1/2” pipe, and rotating unit off.
We went to the Knox product which stopped the problem. Some owners added
Locktite Red, which adds its own problem if replacement is necessary.
Knox passes out the key to
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>
> Hope that helps,
>
> John Drucker
> AHJ Fire and Electrical
> New Jersey USA
>
> John Drucker
>
> From: Sprinklerforum on
> behalf of BRUCE VERHEI via Sprinklerforum
>
> Sent: Fri
Gas detection? To me that implies some special former tenant. Or normal CO
detection? Are there natural gas fired appliances in the space?
Sync. There are more than one options, somewhat dependent on age of system.
By servicing, do you mean space is vacant?
Unless the jurisdiction is huge
ex, high flow rate sprinkler systems.
>
> Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection |
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> 1041 East Bu
Apologies. I meant to note that theses were originally my comments. bv
> On 09/14/2021 2:27 PM BRUCE VERHEI via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> This is cut and past of partial comments from discussion on another forum,
> originating from an NFSA post.
>
> What is m
This is cut and past of partial comments from discussion on another forum,
originating from an NFSA post.
What is missing from this excerpt is pressure rating of the hose. At acceptance
and annually FD’s test hose at 250 psi. You are quickly going to lose
persuasion ability with your fire plan
Good Afternoon.
I don’t know if you are doing wider fire protection or just putting wet stuff
on the red stuff.
Are you doing the alarm as well? We always asked for, and rec’d an ‘Of course’,
to providing power to the alarm system off the EPPS. It’s a tiny draw. I would
expect especially the
From an old fire guys perspective I’d be more concerned with accidental head
breakage than water dispersal.
Best.
> On 07/01/2021 3:01 PM Larrimer, Peter A (HEFP\19HEF) via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for that clarification. I missed that.
>
> Pete
>
> -Original
rable to that found in the 2016 NFPA 13?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SJ
>
>
> -Original Message-
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t; Just curious,
> Did that system with "Quite a few other breaks", have bracing and other
> seismic features installed, comparable to that found in the 2016 NFPA 13?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SJ
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprinklerforum On
> Behalf
We had lots of 15’ drops in tilt-ups to office build outs at 9-10th AFF. After
Nisqually earthquake I don’t think I saw any failures. A few broken suspended
ceiling tiles. Yes, a couple goosenecks did roll, but that was on ESFR, near
roof level, and is another story.
Quite a few other breaks.
In Puget Sound area it’s rare to find a dry hydrant with individually gated
ports that isn’t as old as me.
I’m curious to hear why it is necessary to calculate friction loss through the
hydrant.
Best.
Bruce V.
> On 04/26/2021 6:00 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Wet
My largest water purveyor had long had an antagonism towards fire. One day I
asked why. They said it was our use of hard suctions, with resulting drawing
down below design pressure at large fires. Everything in water design and
maintenance is predicted on that 20 psi minimum. After denials that
In this day and age of digital everything it’s surprising that someone doesn’t
sell a hydro pump set up with any auto shut off, with a standard 205 psig and
select, with relief at 210 psig.
Best.
Bruce V.
> On 04/16/2021 4:12 PM Tom Duross via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Matt.
>
It wouldn’t be unlikely that this was offered as an alternative to some code
requirement. One-hour corridor construction, including separation? At later
date it’s a done deal, unless you want to propose a new building plan review
for fire and life safety. I doubt your customer wants to hire an
I’ve been going though in my head a small unit with low pressure loss at low
flow and a large unit in parallel that’s efficient at high flow. I just can’t
see a reasonable total cost.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 04/02/2021 10:57 AM Dane Long via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> You might try
Please reference
https://youtu.be/e7Vkdb9z2qc
Mike H. Et al:
Is this standards change typical, i.e., not intended to apply retroactively?
I assume other manufacturers are putting out similar listed or marked products.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
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A campus solution is not uncommon. If the requirement is the one out of the
IBC/IFC, and the piping run is distal to the buildings I might ask for more in
depth consideration of assurance u/g system will not damaged by the very
seismic event for which it is providing back up to the municipal
Before you spend your cash I’d make sure you have the correct thread standard.
Best.
Bruce.
> On 03/18/2021 2:55 PM Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, the one I sent was NST on the 4" side. This should be the correct
> one.
>
>
I wish we used two terms. I used to call the 13-D test a ‘leak test’, instead
of hydrostatic test. That’s what we really mean here. We want to see the pipe
charged, and see if it leaks.
A hydrostatic and a leak test aren’t really the same thing.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 03/18/2021 8:21 PM
I’d ask why. Is the fire sprinkler system acting as detection system for a
smoke exhaust system?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 03/18/2021 8:05 PM Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> We've had cases where the 2 story volume area is required to be protected
> from the 1st floor
I’d always been skeptical of the adequacy of two seismic allowances in
13/13-R/13-D. After following up lots of spk system breaks post-Nisqually
Earthquake I changed my mind. 1. Those long one or two head drops from roof
level in a tilt-up to office build outs, including hard ceilings in
We used to require the 2.5 pounds/sf as part of the building permit
application, if sprinkler permit application was a deferred permit.
We also required the structural engineer to state restrictions on point loads.
Before ESFR the common sprinkler designs were 0.39 gpm/sf over 5,600 sf or
Talk with the fire plans reviewer.
> On 02/11/2021 7:41 PM Jerry Van Kolken via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> I'm doing a project for Cal State, and I'm trying find the code that would
> dictate when an FDC needs to be remotely located away from the building. I
> seem to remember a
Roll paper is not toilet paper. Roll paper is one of three forms.
Jumbos. These are the width of the paper machine (drying unit). Temporary, to
be cut again at the pulp or paper mill. 13-25 tons. I may be out of date here.
On an expensive steel spindle.
Paper that is finished material, often
Kevin,
Do FM data sheets now reflect results of these tests?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 01/26/2021 2:02 PM Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> There is an active FPRF project that addresses storage occupancies and
> sloped ceilings. It is currently in its third phase, and there has
.
> On 11/20/2020 7:50 PM Kenneth Berman via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> steel fuel lines are good. Use super dope, no tape. NFPA used to require a
> check valve in the fuel return, I still put it in the line. Old habits.
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:07 PM BRUCE V
I’m mostly impressed you have an owner who cares.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 11/20/2020 4:19 PM Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Our standard for diesel fire pumps is to provide a double-wall fuel tank with
> leak detection, steel supply and return fuel lines, and of course
This is why I hate calling one point on a flow test curve Static. It’s really
Background or Normal Usage or something similar.
The domestic flow only really matters when have a joint water supply connection
for the domestic and spk system.
Out at the main someone else is doing fire flow
1. Previous talk about 1-A being uncommon. If I received an HMIS that showed
enough quantity to drive control measures I’d apply some skeptical focus. Is it
really 1-A? Often not. While characterization of characterization of
combustible or flammable liquids is the easiest of any hazard class,
FF’s have used them for years in the fol-da-tank series. Do the same people
make one for fixed tank?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 10/22/2020 3:11 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> 2019 edition of NFPA 20 has references to the acceptable use of suction
> diffusers on fire
I haven’t seen this. Are people putting a cage on the head?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 10/15/2020 2:02 PM John Irwin via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> I have done a lot of these in many jurisdictions and never protected the
> lockers. I have not been asked about it yet.
>
> I do protect
To expand on Mark’s comment, I tend to think start at the dust safety first,
then sprinklers. I wasn’t bidding jobs, but I certainly saw some expensive
solutions going the other way.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 10/15/2020 5:54 PM Mark.Phelps via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> What Craig said,
Once it’s C of O is issued fire prevention isn’t needed for a new lease. New
fixtures don’t need a building permit. Some building officials require a new C
of O, some don’t.
It might never get an FP inspection. Depending on location would an engine
company inspection catch the the clothing
First thing I’d have asked one of my inspectors is racks or shelves.
Bruce Verhei
> On 10/09/2020 8:23 PM Mark Phillips via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Agree
> The amount of stored items and the variety
>
>
> Sent from my mobile device
> Please excuse spelling, grammar, and auto
All of a sudden I’m worried we’re adding a potential for seismic damage to
system, maybe several down a large building. It’s bad enough breaking 1” low
point drains.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 09/27/2020 7:50 PM Jeff Normand via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Ideally supply hose stations
umps: charge a whole lot of money for that red paint.
>
> -Kyle M
>
> -Original Message-----
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Ah, you folks are all used to UL listing for fire protection. Remember UL
listing goes down two paths. One is both safety and efficacy. You want that
fire alarm panel to operate to standards, as well as not shock you or start a
fire. The other is a table lamp. UL is evaluating it for shock &
Is this crossing the line to engineering?
My radar would go up on this one.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 09/02/2020 2:25 PM tstone52--- via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Ben,
> Try FM data Sheets 7-29 & or 7-88
>
> Regards,
> G. Tim Stone
>
> G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
> NICET Level III
I used these codes in a seismic zone. I’m not familiar with any local
amendments. Are you asking about building code importance factor for seimic
design to be applied to tank design?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 08/26/2020 12:05 PM Gipson, Russell via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> I work
Further proof that you can obtain a license to practice architecture without
understanding what listing a product means. Wishfulness does not overcome
proven knowledge.
Best.
> On 08/25/2020 10:40 AM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn't install a non-conforming
Ron’s proposal is appropriate if AHJ driving hydro is other than a fire
marshal’s office. If you’ve bought a 1970 building, there are no current
tenants with property to damage, assuring current condition might be a good
idea. Unless single new taps are supplying the code minimum number of
You might find the local fire marshal’s office has copy of test cert, and
original plans.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 08/06/2020 8:07 PM Mark Phillips via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello forum friends
> I would like to get some other professionals methods on how they handle
> missing
I’d always used 20 psi as minimum pump in;et pressure, unless taking supply
from a tank. Everywhere you go in AWWA you run into 20 psi as minimum pressure
in the water system.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On 08/06/2020 2:54 PM Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
> These two options
The code change that allowed elimination of heads is a couple decades old.
We were confused about meaning. I’d like to say I can remember who I talked
with or have notes. I don’t. I know the re-emphasis by FM concerning both
heated and unheated combustible liquids being aerosolized by high
For the record some of us like engineers.
Best.
Bruce
> On 06/17/2020 8:34 AM Dennis Wilson via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Don’t you just love them engineers!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Sprinklerforum On
> Behalf Of Bob Knight via Sprinklerforum
>
Skyler
We used to see WSRB or FM jobs with 0.39 gpm/sf over 5,600 sf as standard
warehouse design. Based on previous engineers comments we normally said
structural plans had to reserve 2.5 lbs/sf for sprinklers where they were
deferred permit, which was always.
2.5 was conservative.
I’ve seen what about 50 of these stored, on side in a non-sprinklered building
can do, after fire. Furniture store, just opened up for day. Units behind a
partial height storeroom wall. Old CMU, timber truss auto sales bldg from
1920’s. About 120’ x 100’. At first whiff of smoke the evacuated.
I’m a little cautious without seeing a sketch to make sure I’m seeing the
situation correctly, but yes, I’ve used alternate connection locations for the
gauge.
i know my water department has made a pair of matching taps on matching dead
ends so we could make a series of test prior to major
The host organization of this forum has in the past, and sprinkler industry as
a whole, advocated for fire codes that allow trade offs for sprinklers. They
got ‘me.
The deal is now each trade-off is a choice that owner-architect needs to
explicitly make.
This might be surprising to most of
Yes. This is part of the building plan review. If I was the fire plan reviewer
answer to this question would be on the first sheet of the approved building
plans, with code cites.
Yes, I’ve had a bunch of spk designers displeased with me over such issues. The
Building and Fire reviewer can
I can’t comment on the situation above the ceiling. Is this project, ‘bidder
design’, shorthand for ‘building and systems design is by committee that never
meets?
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On May 21, 2020 at 3:04 PM Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> I'm going to do a stupid thing
I also had some luck convincing facilities installing non-code required
generators to include valve room heat in circuits powered. Air compressor. FACU
as well of course. Tiny draw.
Best.
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 13:13, Reed A. Roisum, SET via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> Check out FMDS 8-29
I was always more concerned that the valve room was insulated, to slow cooling
during power outage.
Are you attempting to keep the pipe interior cold? This would seem to be result
of insulating it in the heated room, at least downstream of valves.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On Apr 14, 2020, at
I know that when this section came along there was a certain skepticism to six
heads only. Especially given the near witchcraft process of how this change for
quick response reduction in light hazard was created. It’s right there with how
30’ x 30’ was she as standard spot smoke detector
In theory shut down in WA State unless response oriented construction.
I’ve seen one pickup at 4 over 2 project across from my pharmacy. Security? One
lone superintendent keeping it rain resistant?
Elsewhere around town? I don’t know. One trip each of last two weeks. Did take
a fifteen mile
If it’s containers more than de minimus curbs are poor practice. Going up an
over a 20” dike with forklift is in the real world a classic cause of spills.
Sumps or a tank are much better. Added benefit is for spills generation of
flammable vapors is related to surface area, not volume. Cover a
Spill control is single largest vessel. Secondary containment is spill control
plus 20 minutes sprinkler flow.
...plus the design flow volume of fire protection water calculated to discharge
from the fire-extinguishing system over the minimum required system design area
or area of the room or
When 13-R came along fire spread up balconies, into each unit, through the bird
blocking and into the attic was a still fire scenario.
Operating one or two dozen heads became a real thing.
That said I don’t have an answer for your question.
Best.
> On Apr 8, 2020, at 16:39, Matt Grise via
Do hang the HVAC from the CPVC. Not just taking it off. Ever wonder how codes
get thicker and thicker. One way is more pre-approved design options. The
other. Needing to write this kind of into code.
Simple question. Will HVAC firm post photo on their homepage as example work
their proud
CPVC has been used for U/G for quite a while now. Has either the NFPA or
manufacturer’s guidelines been updated to include measures for line locating?
We used City engineering standards for any underground in easement along public
streets to get it until local industry more or less made it
Is there a 1 1/2” to 2” aerated concrete layer on top of the flooring?
Best
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:35, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> Sounds like the flooring wouldn’t be a determining factor for sprinklers but,
> what is being routed through the
I always hated seeing 4”, reduced to 2” or 1 1/2”. 4” DDCVA, 4” PIV. Absurd for
a four head design.
Best.
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:37, Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via
> Sprinklerforum wrote:
>
> When shared fire / domestic, you have to add the domestic at the split when
> supply is
Have you asked the local fire prevention office if they have plans?
If you thought they’d be helpful I’d also ask about calc’s. Especially if
they’d been digitized they’d likely be retained as separate documents. I
wouldn’t assume counter person answering question would understand inherent
https://www-dailyherald-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.dailyherald.com/amp-article/20200221/news/200229736/
Balcony fire, spk head.
> On Mar 6, 2020, at 13:11, Pete Schwab via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> We only calculate the single balcony in question.
>
>
> Peter Schwab
> VP of
Another balcony head operation.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/national-fire-sprinkler-association_virginia-beach-fire-crews-tackle-balcony-activity-6640255799157415938-wDnl
It takes a moment to fully open. If you go to the second photo, then scroll
over to 7th photo you get best shot of
Good afternoon. We’ve heard this discussed for years.
The #13 committee has over the years issued Formal Interpretations.
Does the #70 committee do the same? Is there one or two in record?
Best.
Bruce
> On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:08, Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> Awesome
SFPE article.
Best.
Bruce
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To my knowledge the reduction in area was not based on a fire test series as
would be typical FM practice. My memory is it was done in part to encourage use
of QR sprinklers. At time they were still a buck or two more expensive/hd.
Best.
Bruce
> On Mar 3, 2020, at 07:55, BILL MENSTER via
Flamex has been around for several decades, I believe under a couple different
corporate ownerships. It is not a new technology.
I’m more used to seeing as part of an overall dust explosion control system.
Usually I’ve worked with a mechanical engineer whose specialty is dust
explosion
> On Feb 24, 2020, at 08:03, Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> I have a little experience with this. I have seen a system brand called
> "Flamex" on the dust collection ducts. This system uses flame sensors and
> solenoids to extinguish a fire in the duct, which is a better
I didn’t. The only time it’d be an issue was if building permit plans hadn’t
been approved, and there is some ongoing controversy with owner or architect
over occupancy classification, especially H or not H.
It may be that I worked in an office with a particularly close relationship
with our
K-17. That’s a little different than I expect. I always thought more like parts
of a strip mall building that might end up OH-2.
Best.
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:58, Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> That’s the crux of my question. A literal interpretation could say that the
>
To add to Ch Blackwell’s comments,
at start of fire plan review one task is fire flow calc’s. This is to determine
in part minimum water required from the municipal water system, at 20 psi,
number and spacing of hydrants, based on type of construction, size of building
and so on. The sprinkler
The AHJ would ask sign noting system supplies both bldg’s and also note at
riser showing location of second shut off, at valve if not obvious, with
NORMALLY OPEN text.
Best.
Bruce
> On Jan 31, 2020, at 07:35, Tim Stone via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> Todd,
> There are couple of existing
All:
I know this isn’t spk’s, but family and friends expect us to be current in such
fire safety basics.
Discussion of new standards for smoke alarms in the U.S. They almost get to
point of saying smoke alarm has several sensors, and uses algorithm to compare
signatures to cooking smoke and
Maybe this is obvious to you designers vs just a plans reviewer. Wouldn’t you
estimate x psi vs y % psi?
Are you supporting use of a smaller underground?
Best.
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 11:15, Richard Carr via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> 15% is good for a tree, 8-10% if it is a grid.
>
>
NAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you familiar with the term ‘C.O.J.’?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heheheh…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just in case you aren’t, it’s not dirty or an
I’ve never drawn up a fab order. I always assumed you’d need this information.
Do I get it wrong.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On Jan 13, 2020, at 06:15, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> I’m curious why there is any confusion over this?
>
> Example: If you have sprinklers on
I was involved with master plan for multi-building complex. Adjacent parcel, by
same owner, contained 3mg above ground municipal water tank. 12” in/out.
Lots of water at the minimum design water pressure for fire flow, i.e. 20 psi.
Nowhere near enough pressure for three story building or some
I assume stairs have the typical rated GWB protection on under side.
No spk required.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 5, 2019, at 14:07, Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> I don’t disagree with JD’s disagreement on a purely statutory basis (i.e. the
> letter of
Ken
You left off the provided flow curve is for job in another town.
Bruce
> On Dec 4, 2019, at 19:20, John Drucker via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> Partial Releases only add to the problem. If architects were required to
> submit only complete packages for permitting, ie sprinklers,
>
> -Original Message-
> From: firstin--- via Sprinklerforum
> To: sprinklerforum
> Cc: firstin ; Bruce Verhei
> Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2019 2:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Not required, requirement
>
> Ha! I was wondering.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
&
David
Thanks. When I advocated italicization of defined terms to ICC, as some other
standards were already being done, they jumped at it. At the time I think they
wanted all code language and style comments to come from outside their staff.
From the reaction I think staff had already wanted
I’d hope nothing is done that prevents use as even a non-designated area of
refuge.
> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:30, Nick Maneen via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> I hope then when you combine what Ed Kramer and David Blackwell provided
> someone sees reason.
>
> Nick Maneen, SET
> c
he power
> yet very little knowledge and training) who is just passing through on the
> promotional track. Very frustrating.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t get it. It’s
I don’t get it. It’s not off a home well.
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 20:24, firstin--- via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> The water purveyor does the test at a cost of $600 plus the delay waiting for
> it to get done.
>
> We all know how things can evolve over time as people in different positions
FMGlobal tests of container type novel to me.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
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regattion where an owner is wanting to shelve aerosols
> on a racking area of appx. 17,720 square feet on one end of his warehouse.
>
>
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; On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:42, Shawn Chapman via Sprinklerforum
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>> Bruce, Am I understanding correctly that unlabeled would mean level 1?
>> Softest form of sprinkler coverage?
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>> From: Bruce
nderstanding correctly that unlabeled would mean level 1?
> Softest form of sprinkler coverage?
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> From: Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum
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> Cc: Bruce Verhei
> Sent: Fri, Nov 8, 2019 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: Aerosol de
MSDS are not designed or intended to provide information needed for building or
fire code compliance.
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Part of the IFC requires each carton to be labeled by the manufacturer. If it’s
not labeled, it is protected to Class III.
This is explicit in the code.
I worked at town with lots of
Good afternoon. Is AHJ confused with 13-R? Did someone one the owner’s side say
they wanted a four head design for their 12,000 sf, three generation home?
My water dept’s would not have let a meter with that Q of water through the
domestic meter. A large enough meter would undercount hundred
I’d agree with Ed. It is likely quite a bit of conversation has already
occurred. The reviewer is already trying to get to minimum needed.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On Oct 24, 2019, at 21:44, Ed Vining via Sprinklerforum
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> A talk with the AHJ would be better than headache later
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I had a wide range of what I expected for fire alarm. There is so much more
variety that with spk’s. There’s a reason I got Architect of Record to sign a
system design criteria sheet before building permit approval. Then the G.C. had
a document with architect and fire plan review’s signature to
We had an Extended Stay America that had commonly had units rented long term.
It was a hotel for our purposes.
People may have been gone on weekends, but some stuff was in the room.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On Oct 15, 2019, at 17:15, Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum
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> I don’t recall
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