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Agree about discovering, but as I said a few days ago something like~ fire size
determines tenability conditions, and fire size is based on sprk height,
spacing, temp rating, and RTI
Have I completely lost my mind?
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> Dear Duane,
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> Smoke detectors are powerless to 'catch a fire'
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Dear Duane,
Smoke detectors are powerless to 'catch a fire', early or late, in terms of its
size and production of immobilizing products of combustion. What they do is
s
18, 2016 2:58 PM
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> Peter,
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> Is it true that the 'smoke protected' systems you refer to require smoke
> detectors? If you are waiting 2 or 3 mi
This occupancy is depending on smoke control to save lives ?
International Building Code commentary says ".. operation of a properly
designed sprinkler system eliminates the life threat to all building
occupants, regardless of their individual physical abilities and is a
superior form of fire prot
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Peter,
Is it true that the 'smoke protected' systems you refer to require smoke
detectors?
arrimer
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Hi Peter,
I have two related questions on your response, for clarification.
First question: When you say "However, the fire alarm system can o
Hi Peter,
I have two related questions on your response, for clarification.
First question: When you say "However, the fire alarm system can only send the
proper alarm signal from a sprinkler system if the sprinkler system has a water
flow switch per zone." Do you intend that to mean, "if the
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That makes a lot of sense.
Travis Mack, SET
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nally a loop system. That
>>>>> would break so all of the pipe sizing would go up. It would just be a
>>>>> real nightmare to adjust for something that I am hoping is not an obscure
>>>>> reference.
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p. It would just be a
>>>> real nightmare to adjust for something that I am hoping is not an obscure
>>>> reference.
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>>>> Ok, first thing in the am, I am re reading 13 on wh
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>>> Ok, first thing in the am, I am re reading 13 on where a
rote:
>>> Ok, first thing in the am, I am re reading 13 on where any of this applies
>>> to a sprinkler drawing
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k, first thing in the am, I am re reading 13 on where any of this applies
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Just a heads-up Travis,
It might go deeper than matching footprints- that is rarely a problem.
A problem would be if the exhaust rate sizer used QR, 165F, at max 225
S.F., but you, being a 13 aficionado, installed QR, 200F,
r drawing
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Just a heads-up Travis,
It might go deeper than matching footprints- that is rarely a problem.
A problem would be if the exhaust rate sizer used QR, 165F, at max 225
S.F., but you, being a 13 aficionado, installed QR, 200F, at 324 S.F.
In a
Just a heads-up Travis,
It might go deeper than matching footprints- that is rarely a problem.
A problem would be if the exhaust rate sizer used QR, 165F, at max 225
S.F., but you, being a 13 aficionado, installed QR, 200F, at 324 S.F.
In a ~16 ft ceiling the exhaust rate would fall about 20,000 C
: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 3:43 PM
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There is a section in the IBC that tries to address the fact that fire alarm
zones and sprinklers zones are different sizes and that the larger sprinkler
zone is NOT
There is a section in the IBC that tries to address the fact that fire alarm
zones and sprinklers zones are different sizes and that the larger sprinkler
zone is NOT limited to the size of the fire alarm zone. See section 907.6.4
Roland
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkl
Not a local requirement. I have done a few of these memory care
facilities in this jurisdiction and have had 52k sq ft systems without
question. We have a call into the reviewer, but it is not uncommon to
take a few days to hear back from these guys.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
2508 E L
Is it a local/state code requirement. RI used to have a requirement that
the sprinkler zone match the alarm zone, s there were a lot of 20k sqft
sprinkler zones
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Tell the AHJ to get his head out of his Butt and to provide you with the
specificcode section that requires this.
Back in 1986 I had a project that the AHJ required the sprinkler zones and
fire alarmzones
, April 13, 2016 2:29 PM
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His comment said "Typically the building is designed with multiple smoke
compartments to provide refuge areas for relocation of the occupants.
The fire alarm and
Fire Sprinkler
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His comment said
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Travis:
Not sure about AZ, but in Ohio the smoke control zone and evac plans are part
of the architect&#
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> Travis:
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> Not sure about AZ, but in Ohio the smoke control zone and evac plans are
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On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET
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I have a reviewer stating that the fire sprinkler plan has to match the
evacuatio
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I have a reviewer stating that the fire sprinkler plan has to
I have a reviewer stating that the fire sprinkler plan has to match the
evacuation plan and the smoke zones of the fire alarm plan. This is an
I-2 Occupancy. Has anyone ever come across this? After 3 weeks in plan
review, he kicked it back saying he can't review until we provide this
informat
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