inklerforum] Seismic bracing requirements in Canada
It’s been awful quiet around here lately.
I’ve got a project in Saskatchewan Canada. Industrial facility.
Structural engineers can’t tell me if seismic bracing is required or
not. After reading through the Canadian Building and Fire code
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Rocci,
You're correct in one way, the '16 edition no longer allows
the use of hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic
bracing on mains, if the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That
does indeed cover most of California, and several other places
;> Rocci,
>> You're correct in one way, the '16 edition no longer allows the use of
>> hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on mains, if
>> the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover most of
>> California, an
7;16 edition no longer allows the use
> of hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on mains,
> if the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover most of
> California, and several other places as well.
> That change was added to 9.3.5.5.10.2, (4) in th
Rocci,
You're correct in one way, the '16 edition no longer allows the
use of hanger rods less than 6" long to omit lateral seismic bracing on
mains, if the Cp value is greater than 0.50. That does indeed cover
most of California, and several other places as well.
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Short rods only eliminate lateral bracing. You will still need longitudinal
bracing.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design
Short rods only eliminate lateral bracing. You will still need
longitudinal bracing.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
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In a 13R building there are a 2" cpvc blazemaster supply mains run to
supply the upper floor sprinkler systems. The piping will be supported
using 2" long rods. The location requires seismic protection. Will sway
bracing be required? Any other requirements?
Thanks,
Tony
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Exactly what 5 yr inspection are you referring to? NFPA 25 inspections do NOT
look at ANY installation issues.
Have your contractor provide explicit references to requirements from the
standard in place when the system was installed (as Scot already flagged).
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Enginee
Larry:
Seismic bracing requirements have tightene up a lot since the 1970's for
fire sprinklers. Bracing was often referred to as the weakest aspect of a
sprinkler system prior to the turn of the century. You can probably
find a copy of NFPA 13 (Sprinkler Installation Standard) at your
Hi,
I manage a 1970 vintage concrete tilt-up industrial park with a panelized
roof in Southern California. As part of my 5-yr, my contractor is telling
me that I need to install seismic clips on some of the locations where the
pipes traverse a hanger (v-hangers, in this case).
I am looking for i
Bracing for CPVC
I have a project that requires Seismic bracing. The project is 1",
1-1/4", and 2" CPVC. Recommendations Please?
Thank you,
Mark E. Eckard SET
1025 Tate Blvd. / P.O. Box9489
Hickory, NC 28602 / 28603
Office: 828-328-6363
Fax: 828-328-6370
Cell: 828-851-0080
Licensed
I have a project that requires Seismic bracing. The project is 1", 1-1/4", and
2" CPVC. Recommendations Please?
Thank you,
Mark E. Eckard SET
1025 Tate Blvd. / P.O. Box9489
Hickory, NC 28602 / 28603
Office: 828-328-6363
Fax: 828-328-6370
Cell: 828-851-0080
Licensed Fire Protec
..@ch2m.com wrote:
One of the ever hot topics, seismic bracing design.
Question is this, for SDC of C it is typical to utilize the design calculations
procedures within NFPA 13.I had some other information that stated for a
SDC of D that special engineering was required for the seismic brac
One of the ever hot topics, seismic bracing design.
Question is this, for SDC of C it is typical to utilize the design calculations
procedures within NFPA 13.I had some other information that stated for a
SDC of D that special engineering was required for the seismic bracing through
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Since it is an existing building I doubt any of the things you have
listed will be done. I gue
: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
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Since it is an existing building I doubt any of the things you have listed
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Since it is an existing building I doubt any of the things you have listed will
be done. I guess I
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f Jim Davidson
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The seismic design classification should be determined by the structural
engineer who determines the SDC of the site. Once the SDC is determined then
you can go into e
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Ron,
I hope you have a hold harmless letter from the building owner and or
develo
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> Oh boy, here we go again. Eve
u for your cooperation.
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Oh boy, here we go again. Every time the su
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Oh boy, here we go again. Every time the subject of seismic bracing /
protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of und
ismic bracing
Oh boy, here we go again. Every time the subject of seismic bracing /
protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of understanding
among contractors and designers (myself included) as to when it is required,
what is required, and how to do it correctly.
We need
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Behalf Of Jim Davidson
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Ron,
I hope you have a hold harmless letter from the building owner and or developer
because the sprinkler contractor will b
il:tm...@mfpdesign.com
On 9/5/2014 8:58 AM, wmens...@comcast.net wrote:
Oh boy, here we go again. Every time the subject of seismic bracing /
protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of understanding
among contractors and designers (myself included) as to when it is required,
wh
Oh boy, here we go again. Every time the subject of seismic bracing /
protection comes up, it shows that there is a general lack of understanding
among contractors and designers (myself included) as to when it is required,
what is required, and how to do it correctly.
We need more education
I have never had an AHJ in either CT or MA ask for calcs for seismic bracing.
Most just want to see something.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
www.fpdc.com
860-535-2080 (ofc)
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:10 AM, wrote:
>
> Some jurisdictions around her
ooperation.
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Some jurisdictions around here re
t: Friday, September 05, 2014 5:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Seismic bracing
Stephen,
I don't believe the AHJ you're dealing with has thought this decision
through very carefully. They seem to be equating "seismic bracing" with
"s
e past and have little to no meaning anymore. I
can have two buildings 50 ft apart and one require seismic bracing and one not
require it. The factors determining that are not difficult to maneuver through
but take some knowledge of the Building Code and hazards present, building use,
soil
Brooks
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Subject: RE: Seismic bracing
"Does anyone know if this is an actual standards requirement or just a
preference of the local AHJ ?"
One way to do this would be to ask the AHJ. This is something
Stephen,
I don't believe the AHJ you're dealing with has thought this
decision through very carefully. They seem to be equating "seismic
bracing" with "seismic protection", which includes such other features
as flexible couplings, clearance requirements,
ehalf Of Steve Sorrell
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:13 AM
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Subject: Seismic bracing
I need some help with a seismic problem.
I am making modifications to a 1970's sprinkler system in NC, we are using
the 2000 ed of NFPA 13.
There is no seismic b
nklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Seismic bracing
The AHJ can't just "require it". His preference is not relevant. Also seismic
bracing is not based on Zones or Maps anymore, hasn't been for quite a while.
I'm curious why you're using the 2000 edition of NF
9:11 AM
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Subject: Re: Seismic bracing
Check the structural notes. If it is seismic design category a or b, then no
seismic. If SDC of C or higher then bracing required.
It seems odd to do seismic bracing of piping if the building is not designed to
resi
Check the structural notes. If it is seismic design category a or b, then no
seismic. If SDC of C or higher then bracing required.
It seems odd to do seismic bracing of piping if the building is not designed to
resist seismic forces.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
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The AHJ can't just "require it". His preference is not relevant. Also
seismic bracing is not based on Zones or Maps anymore, hasn't been for quite
a while.
I'm curious why you're using the 2000 edition of NFPA 13.
An
The AHJ can't just "require it". His preference is not relevant. Also seismic
bracing is not based on Zones or Maps anymore, hasn't been for quite a while.
I'm curious why you're using the 2000 edition of NFPA 13.
Anyway back to seismic.
Seismic requirements ar
nklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
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The building code requires it.
How effective would a partially braced system be, only th
Of Forest Wilson
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Does the building code require it?
The building code dictates if you are in a seismic zone and NFPA 13 tells you
how to do it.
On 9/5/2014 8:13 AM, Steve Sorrell
g the
2000 ed of NFPA 13.
There is no seismic bracing on this system.
I have had to add some new main in various areas.
The local AHJ is requiring that only the new sprinkler main will need to be
braced.
Does anyone know if this is an actual standards requirement or just a
preference of the loca
I need some help with a seismic problem.
I am making modifications to a 1970's sprinkler system in NC, we are using the
2000 ed of NFPA 13.
There is no seismic bracing on this system.
I have had to add some new main in various areas.
The local AHJ is requiring that only the new sprinkler
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Steve,
I have seen that list. If you look closely, most of those readings are
from the eastern provinces of Canada. There are some in CT, but most are
in th
n out on the Pats in the AFC
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> I think you also need to take into account regional differences. Some
> areas, like Leytonland, have a
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I think you also need to take into account reg
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> Leyton
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> This goes to perpetuate the notion that we're
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I think the reason we are s
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This goes to perpetuate the notion that we're different or special and
that's good and okay. I respectfully disagree - it's not.
Every other discipline is required to structurally engineer their supports,
coordinate loads and attachme
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Exactly. Unless your drawing which shows those little criss-cross arrows
are accompanied by calculations AND unless your calculations are acceptable
to the project structural engineer, then you do not have a comple
ot an adequate degree of diligence, IMHO
Oops, my soapbox just broke.
Steve Leyton
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Well that's were we are goi
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How do you locate per 13? How do you know what you did will work? How do you
know that 1" x 34" brace at 37 degrees to side of a b
them and the time to install them, ... We should at least do them right.
My two cents.
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From the Piemontesi to the greasy Sicilian, with molte amore. I won
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I think the standard
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> Well that's were we are going to disagree...I haven't put tick marks on a
> dwg or required them on a dwg s
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Well that's were we are going to disagree...I haven't put tick marks on a d
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Well that's were we are going to di
pipe size then we got way bigger
problems than seismic features...
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t: RE: seismic bracing calcs
I have specified the shop drawings and bracing calculations be submitted to the
project structural engineer to confirm the adequacy of the attachment point to
resist the loading. Is this a common practice?
Bill Brooks
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And we haven't gotten approval for a document set without including all of
those thin
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Steven,
I have never received a contractor shop drawing that covered things to the
detail you describe. It'
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> Wait...hold on...just to make sure, and Craig I am sure you probably know
> this...BUT we have a
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Wait...hold on...just to make sure, and
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Since Greenman is pure mongrel (and occasionally junkyard mongrel), apart from
being anglicized Gaelic, and the other half is Ferracone.
And since I messed up my leg I keep tripping over my fingers, Mr. Noytel.
Then there's also the aixelsyd
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Hey...you don't want to mess with us...cause god knows...we have
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> From the Piemontesi to the greasy Sicilian, with molte amore. I won't hold
> it against you that your family is from the
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There really is no locate per NFPA 13. You still have max of 40/80, 4 way at
change in direction and laterals no more than 6' from end of cross main. But,
with all of the other requirements in chapter 9, you must calculate the bracing
spacing.
I consider it just like pipe sizing calcs any more
@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: seismic bracing calcs
Seismic design category C, contractor submittal package,
Do you provide a calc sheet for EQ bracing or just locate per NFPA 13 and send
typical catalog data sheets?
FM Global project, BTW.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group Lead
Seismic design category C, contractor submittal package,
Do you provide a calc sheet for EQ bracing or just locate per NFPA 13 and send
typical catalog data sheets?
FM Global project, BTW.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spart
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To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing
Yes, you need a longitudinal brace as Steve said. Lateral braces can act as
longitudinal braces if they are within 24 in. of the pipe braced
longitudinally and the brace is on a pipe of equal or greater size than the
pipe being b
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:31 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: FW: Seismic Bracing
Brian,
There is no option in NFPA 13 which allows omission of longitudinal bracing.
In the scenario you describe, the 40' long main would indeed require a
longitudinal brace,and an
Steve
Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:27 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing
I believe that you need at least one longitudinal brace in the scenario you
describe.
Steve Leyton
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From: sprinklerforum-boun
Brian,
There is no option in NFPA 13 which allows omission of longitudinal
bracing. In the scenario you describe, the 40' long main would indeed
require a longitudinal brace,and any location along the length of that
main would be acceptable, as it must be no more than 40' from the end of
the
11:17 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: FW: Seismic Bracing
Is it possible to have a Main that only has Lateral Bracing & no
Longitudinal Bracing? Say you have a Main that is 40'-0" long and have a
Lateral brace within 6' of each end, are you required to
Is it possible to have a Main that only has Lateral Bracing & no Longitudinal
Bracing? Say you have a Main that is 40'-0" long and have a Lateral brace
within 6' of each end, are you required to have a Longitudinal brace in the
middle?
Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
Sprinkler Division
bvssy
boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of max brown
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:42 PM
> To: burtell
> Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
>
>
> On our installations we always have additional bracing. Restraint in all
> directions similar to underground mains, high pr
] On Behalf Of max brown
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:42 PM
To: burtell
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
On our installations we always have additional bracing. Restraint in all
directions similar to underground mains, high pressure discharge with 360
degree, upward restraint, 180
gt; To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:41:01 -0600
> Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
>
> We braced the clean agent as we normally would and interpreted it to mean
> that no additional seismic would be required. Sprinkler system in same area
&g
rooks
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 2:12 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
I saw that reference to ASME as well and made similar assumptions as you
made. Yet it would mean a shop drawing review by the AHJ or the design
engineer would bring in all
st 08, 2011 12:31 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
So how did you interpret that since there are no specific bracing requirements
or methods stated within NFPA 2001 other than to say it is to be "securely
supported"?
Craig L. Pra
nklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
Had a large clean agent project where we sent an RFI with the same question.
Their response was that the bracing requirements of NFPA 2001 were sufficient.
The sprinkler system had seismic and each brace even had to be modeled.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:31 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:31 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Seismic Bracing - Clean Agent
Perhaps a bit off the reservation here but does anyone out there have some
reason for the lack of
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