Re: Automatically quote the original message when replying anomaly- Solved
On 9/28/2010 5:25 PM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 28.09.2010 08:29, John Doue wrote: --- Original Message --- The problem disappeared after I played with the various possibilites offered (quoting under, above or select) and finally returned to the unchecked setting. A fluke ... What you experienced as a solution is an age-old remedy from back in the Navigator 2.x days. Uncheck, exit/restart, check. Jay, aware of this, I had tried it before posting, but only with checking/unchecking the main setting. It worked only after I tried all combinations. Should have done it from the beginning ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Automatically quote the original message when replying anomaly- Solved
WLS wrote: Daniel wrote: John Doue wrote: I have double-checked that "Automatically quote the original message when replying" is disabled in 2.08 but even if no text is highlighted, the original message is quoted when I reply to it. On the other hand, if I highlight only part of the original message, only the highlighted parted is, as expected, quoted. Is this problem specific to my machine or ... ? Thanks John, I've never thought about replying without quoting the message to which you are replying (*WHY* would you want to do that, in any case??) but just tried it, on my mail account and this News account, and both gave me addressed and subjected but otherwise blank screens. So I guess it's a problem on your machine! Unless it's because I'm using SM 2.1a2. Daniel You have to disable that preference for each account that you don't want to quote the original message. It's not a global setting. WLS The problem disappeared after I played with the various possibilites offered (quoting under, above or select) and finally returned to the unchecked setting. A fluke ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Automatically quote the original message when replying anomaly
On 9/28/2010 2:29 PM, Daniel wrote: John Doue wrote: I have double-checked that "Automatically quote the original message when replying" is disabled in 2.08 but even if no text is highlighted, the original message is quoted when I reply to it. On the other hand, if I highlight only part of the original message, only the highlighted parted is, as expected, quoted. Is this problem specific to my machine or ... ? Thanks John, I've never thought about replying without quoting the message to which you are replying (*WHY* would you want to do that, in any case??) but just tried it, on my mail account and this News account, and both gave me addressed and subjected but otherwise blank screens. So I guess it's a problem on your machine! Unless it's because I'm using SM 2.1a2. Daniel Daniel, thanks for this indication the problem seems to be specific to my machine. But if you have no idea why someone might want to reply to emails without quoting the original, you might want to consider space, bandwidth, clarity of presentation just to name some considerations. With snail mail, you do not reply to a letter by systematically attaching the one you are replying to. The comparison has its limits, granted, but still ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Automatically quote the original message when replying anomaly
On 9/28/2010 4:03 PM, WLS wrote: Daniel wrote: John Doue wrote: I have double-checked that "Automatically quote the original message when replying" is disabled in 2.08 but even if no text is highlighted, the original message is quoted when I reply to it. On the other hand, if I highlight only part of the original message, only the highlighted parted is, as expected, quoted. Is this problem specific to my machine or ... ? Thanks John, I've never thought about replying without quoting the message to which you are replying (*WHY* would you want to do that, in any case??) but just tried it, on my mail account and this News account, and both gave me addressed and subjected but otherwise blank screens. So I guess it's a problem on your machine! Unless it's because I'm using SM 2.1a2. Daniel You have to disable that preference for each account that you don't want to quote the original message. It's not a global setting. WLS Thanks, but I am aware of that and that setting is unchecked in the mail account I am using. Any other idea? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Automatically quote the original message when replying anomaly
I have double-checked that "Automatically quote the original message when replying" is disabled in 2.08 but even if no text is highlighted, the original message is quoted when I reply to it. On the other hand, if I highlight only part of the original message, only the highlighted parted is, as expected, quoted. Is this problem specific to my machine or ... ? Thanks -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IE Tab 2
On 8/13/2010 2:04 PM, Daniel wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Evan Davidson wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Does IE Tab 2 work with SM 1.1.19? If not, is there an IE Tab that does work? Download vers. 1.3.3 from http://downloads.mozdev.org/ietab/ . It works on SM 1.1.19. Does it work on Windows 7 64-bit though? So far I can't get any IE tab to work. It seems to ! Thanks - it does seem to work so far. But I'm still having a problem with the new version of Hotmail. It still doesn't work with SM, even using IE Tab. I have to actually open IE to get it to work. Leave it to Microsoft! In case I decide to uninstall ietab, how do I do that? Tools - Add-on Manager. Click to highlight the extension and then the Uninstall button. There is no Add-on Manager in 1.1.19 that I can see? Can anyone tell me how to uninstall ietab? Tom, I seem to recall that in SM 1.x.x you had to install an extension, the extensionuninstaller I think it was called, and an ".api" program. Then in the "Tools" drop-down, the Extension Uninstaller would be listed and it would list all the installed extension, which you can then select and uninstall. Or was this all in Mozilla Suite? Daniel Daniel, Your recollection is correct and, still using SM 1.x.xx, this looks like an anachronism compared to what can be found and Firefox, Thunderbird, and SM2 (I guess, since I will remain with the previous version as long as a number of irritants are not corrected). But, for lack of a better solution, what you describe is much better than nothing! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Best Form Manager Now?
On 7/21/2010 11:00 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 21 juillet 2010, Tom Pamin a écrit : I've been delaying moving to SM 2.x because I like using the Form Manager in 1.1.19 so much. I know there have been several similar extensions developed for 2.x, but are any exactly like the Form Manager in 1.1.19? If not, which one is recommended at this time? I don't think there's a "recommended one". But people here can tell you their opinion... I routinely use Autofill Forms (Philip Chee ported it to SM). It's very elaborate but you can make a basic use of it (as I do). It's even better than the old Form Manager since you can set keyboard shortcuts to capture forms, fill in them, fill in and submit them, etc. I use the two extensions Forms History Manager and AutoFill Forms. the two almost replace the better Forms Manager in SM 1, but no quite. but come very close. I've resigned myself having to use two extensions to replace what was easy as falling of a log in SM 1. And Since these two extensions have come out all talk or restoring the forms manager has stopped. snip Perhaps also because lots of those who are dissatisfied with 2.0x remain, as I do, with 1.1.19 or went to FF 3.5 or 3.6 and TB, hoping that upcoming version 2.1 will bring back missing features (albeit perhaps in a different form :))-and correct some other issues. They have quit talking about those issues since they feel they have made their point and hope they have been heard by the developers ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM asking for security password?
On 6/9/2010 9:52 PM, Rufus wrote: Mike C wrote: I just upgraded from SM1 to SM2. Now every time I open the browser or email it asks for a security password. How do I eliminate this action? (I don't have or want one.) Mike C Set the Pref to ask for it only the first time it is needed, and not at Startup. Unfortunately, this does not work as intended. In SM1.1x, I never had this problem. With the exact same setup transferred to SM2, I am always asked for my password. For the time being, I solved the problem by staying with SM1.19 and with FF3.5. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile vs page behavior
Rickles wrote: Using XP Pro SP3, patched, with SM 1.1.19 (I know, I know) with Multizilla, IETab. Normally does everything I want/need, but recently had to restore everything to a new HDD, old one started acting like it was going to give up. Built new HDD from scratch, all proceeded well. Installed SM with it's bits, then restored profile settings from daily backup of old HDD. Browser and mail settings came back with no grief at all (and it's the only profile on the PC, shared by my wife & I.) During subsequent installs, etc., not related to SM, though, something has affected the profile. In browser window at home tab group's first page (http://news.bbc.co.uk), there's a moving headline 'ticker' which is supposed to scroll across the page, above the headline news article & picture. On mine now, this doesn't exist. There's also some weather maps at other BBC news pages which have stopped displaying. Thought it might be down to file associations (Flash, pictures, etc.) but it works normally if I use IETab to view the same pages. Played with Quicktime settings ,etc., but no joy. I have created a new test profile and it works as advertised. I've cleared the original profile's cache, and deleted the panacea.dat and localstore.rdf files, since they're the only ones with date-time stamps new enough to be suspect. Also no joy. If I simply create a new profile and move things across, how do I know what it is about any previous profile settings that's causing this, so I don't move the problem? I believe your issue is related to Flash. Using NoScript, I reproduced the behavior you are relating. I suggest you check Flash Player here: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Giving up on news.eternal-september
On 5/27/2010 2:14 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: This was the second failure in less than a week. ... Two failures in a two day period doesn't sound reliable. It was a server that failed. Hardware fails. Give him a break. ...and get a backup going, if you're that addicted. I use Tera News as my backup (free for 50m/day after a one-time $3.95 setup fee). I've had to weather a couple of brief e-s outages over the years, but I'd consider them _very_ reliable. -JW That's a good idea, for the addicted. Me, I'll usually find something else to do for the few hours the server may be down. The grass needs mowed or something... I would probably switch to (or add) individual.net for €10 per year, if e-s wasn't as reliable as it is. Well, it is easy to get addicted, same as you are to this NG! Over time, you make online friends or sort of ... Last time E-S was down for several days in a row, I decided to install a backup (news.aioe.org, which is free and seems to be reliable). Easy and free! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Giving up on news.eternal-september
On 5/26/2010 3:10 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I've been working for last half hour to get anything from eternal-september. Now I am getting a can't find LDAP server. When you think you have a connection problem, check here: http://eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en This was mentioned to you before. I am going to do without USENET. I am tired of having to tear my hair out. Mozilla, Netscape. Annexcafe, sand msnews Microsoft work fine. Remember, Microsoft is shutting down their news servers in a few weeks. Can't get in when I go to sign in it just sits there. There is a problem. I gave up on it, and now mostly use news.aioe.org. It is free too, and seems to be reliable. Whatever MS does ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MASTER PASSWORD OVER KILL !
On 5/18/2010 3:44 PM, Daniel wrote: John Doue wrote: On 5/17/2010 3:37 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: JOLAN1 wrote: Aloha! IMHO, the master password should not be requested before it is *really* needed, but SM2 understanding of "when it is needed" baffles me: just launched the browser in SM2 should not meet that criteria, until you want to get into a site that requires a password. Am I oversimplifying things? I have SM set-up to open in the Mail & Newsgroup pageand the first thing it then goes and does is get my mail, which requires my mail account password.which would require my entering my master password, if I used one. So I'm guessing all those who open into just the Mail & Newsgroup screen or into the Browser Screen AND the Mail & Newsgroup screens would have the same situation. Not sure about a "Browser Only" set-up! Daniel It does make sense to be asked for the master password if you launch the Mail UI first. Not my case. Personally, I only launch the Browser interface and open only later the Mail UI when I need it. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: nbc.com streaming videos not working?
On 5/17/2010 6:12 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Ant: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/digital-short-great-day/1228169/ doesn't seem to play. What about the rest of you? Error: this.browserDetection() is undefined Source File: http://www.nbc.com/assets/video/4-0/js/direct.js?8262507 Line: 282 Maybe spoofing can help. Hartmut Works great with FF 3.5 -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MASTER PASSWORD OVER KILL !
On 5/17/2010 3:37 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: JOLAN1 wrote: Aloha! There is something very wrong with SeaMonkey 2.04, or my installation is somehow badly screwed up! Initially, it asked for our Master Password at logon, which I disabled in about:config. But... subsequently, it asks for the Master Password when: downloading e- mail, accessing any one of our credit accounts, accessing banking accounts, making auto payments, paying for our internet service, on and on, even wants a Master Password to get on MozzilaZine !!! Real bother and we're using Master Password so often...might as well not have one. If you don't want MP protection turn it off. I don't know what you messed with in config, but the way you disable that is to set it to an empty string. This past week, we had to hire a temporary book keeper because ours was out sick. The first day we had to be out of the office; came back to find one very frustrated woman! She couldn't access anything she need to on the internet because she didn't have the Master Password. Cost me $$ for the day -- upsetting, to say the least. Yes, if you had just disabled your MP then the temp could have stolen every passwork in the machine. Or do you totally trust your temps? All our accounts are user name/password protected. Adding the Master Password is overkill, useless and absurd. I've told everyone to uninstall 2.04 and put 1.18 back on until we can get some fix for this. There is nothing to fix other than your understanding of the correct usage. Is there any way to disable all these requests for a Master Password ??? I've mentioned it here, others have posted it, if you want it off, turn it off. You now have zero security. Anyone can view all the saved passwords in clear. Setting the "ask me later" config works fine, as long as you have an idea what "ask me later" implies. Another issue I've been seeing recently is that 2.04 starts slowing down the longer I've been on the Internet, to the point that it can't connect to web sites, like Yahoo News, for example. Tried shutting down and restarting, same issue. Meanwhile, 1.1.18 works like a charm...all the time. For values of charm mapping to "with no security." BTW: the correct way to do this is to have a profiles for temps, having only the passwords they need, and have an employee enter the MP so the temps can't use it to view passwords. Giving a temp MP or running without one is utterly unsafe. If SM has a fault it's that there is no way to have a "sub-master" password to use the information but not view it. I have followed with a lot of interest this thread, but it seems to me, the 1.1.19 behavior is what most users regret, I included. The setting signon.startup.prompt does not work for me. Neither the setting "only when it is needed". SM2 (2.04) requires it immediately after launching in Browser mode. And my default page, Yahoo.com, does not require a password. IMHO, the master password should not be requested before it is *really* needed, but SM2 understanding of "when it is needed" baffles me: just launched the browser in SM2 should not meet that criteria, until you want to get into a site that requires a password. Am I oversimplifying things? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mass Mailing
On 5/12/2010 6:41 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Daniel wrote: My ISP has a limit of ten addresses in any email, anything more and it gets rejected. ... My, that is a serious restriction! I'm guessing he doesn't have many addicted joke-forwarders as customers... :-/ My ISP also has that limit of 10. in any one mailing. So If I had to forward to more than 10 people. I would have to send the same email for groups of no more than 10. Anything more is considered sending spam. Which does make sense, does not it, even if in some cases, there might be legitimate reasons for trying to reach many addressees ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Font used while entering data in a Web field
On 5/9/2010 1:22 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sat, 08 May 2010 12:07:31 +0300, /John Doue/:
Google has apparently decided that some kind of bold font should be used
while entering data in its search field.
It is not a bold variant but it may appear bolder because of its bigger
type (18px).
Is there some way, more generally, a user can control the font used in
such case? Sorry if this shows my ignorance of such things ...
Install the Stylish extension:
https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/2108
After restarting open:
http://www.google.com/
Click the "Stylish" icon ("S") at the right of the status bar and choose
Write new style -> For google.com... from the menu. Enter the following
style rules (you should already have the @ rules prefilled):
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
@-moz-document domain("google.com") {
.lst {
font-size: 17px !important;
}
}
Give the style some name and save it.
You may get more info and examples at:
http://userstyles.org/
I appreciate very much your detailed answer. Thanks a lot. I'll try this.
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Re: Font used while entering data in a Web field
On 5/8/2010 6:15 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/8/10 2:07 AM, John Doue wrote: Hi, Google has apparently decided that some kind of bold font should be used while entering data in its search field. Is there some way, more generally, a user can control the font used in such case? Sorry if this shows my ignorance of such things ... Thanks I see what you describe with a basic search but not with the advanced search. This seems to be controlled by the Web page. You can go to [Edit> Preferences> Appearance> Fonts] and uncheck the "Allow documents to use other fonts" checkbox. While typing search terms for Google for a basic search, you get a pull-down list of possible terms displayed with a mix of bold and non-bold fonts. The non-bold part is what you have already typed. The bold part is an attempt to complete what you might want to type. If you turn off the use of other fonts, this mix of bold and non-bold is reversed. Thanks. I was hoping there was a way to achieve what I want without making a global change. Still, I will try this. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Font used while entering data in a Web field
Hi, Google has apparently decided that some kind of bold font should be used while entering data in its search field. Is there some way, more generally, a user can control the font used in such case? Sorry if this shows my ignorance of such things ... Thanks -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On 4/28/2010 4:53 PM, JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Doue wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools> Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy& Security> Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit->Mail& Newsgroup Account Settings and select "Server settings" on your email account, and in the "server settings" section, tick "Leave Message on Server" and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail "split in two". In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] Yes, of course, Server Settings let you choose the local directory location! Just try. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On 4/29/2010 12:57 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Doue wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools> Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy& Security> Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit->Mail& Newsgroup Account Settings and select "Server settings" on your email account, and in the "server settings" section, tick "Leave Message on Server" and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail "split in two". In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one profile at different times seems possible. Worth a try, in any case. Daniel No, my idea is not crazy at all, it is easy to implement and I have used this solution for as long as I can remember. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools> Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy& Security> Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings and select "Server settings" on your email account, and in the "server settings" section, tick "Leave Message on Server" and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail "split in two". In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.4 crash
On 4/28/2010 8:46 AM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-04-28 1:23 AM, John Doue wrote: On 4/28/2010 7:16 AM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-04-27 8:08 PM, Alex wrote: bp-6aa0b455-622a-4bc3-aaae-1f4b02100426 4/26/2010 9:31 PM bp-c8d5afc4-1b40-4e4b-a459-f8cd02100426 4/26/2010 9:13 PM bp-e76e1af4-d75c-400a-8759-d7cd92100426 4/26/2010 7:33 PM bp-e189fc21-7748-4ce8-8b3a-2e4a62100426 4/26/2010 7:12 PM Open the Nvidia Control Panel, and disable "FirstPacket". Chris, although I do not have that problem, I am wondering how you came to that conclusion. I have Nvidia on an XP Pro machine and have no such setting, as far as I can tell. So I am curious to what this setting does and most importantly, how you managed to identify it as the culprit. Thanks. How to use about:crashes to assess crashes is mostly explained here: <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/2124508cb261f917>. In this case, there is a bug marked with that crash signature: <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=527540> Thanks! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.4 crash
On 4/28/2010 7:16 AM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-04-27 8:08 PM, Alex wrote: bp-6aa0b455-622a-4bc3-aaae-1f4b02100426 4/26/2010 9:31 PM bp-c8d5afc4-1b40-4e4b-a459-f8cd02100426 4/26/2010 9:13 PM bp-e76e1af4-d75c-400a-8759-d7cd92100426 4/26/2010 7:33 PM bp-e189fc21-7748-4ce8-8b3a-2e4a62100426 4/26/2010 7:12 PM Open the Nvidia Control Panel, and disable "FirstPacket". Chris, although I do not have that problem, I am wondering how you came to that conclusion. I have Nvidia on an XP Pro machine and have no such setting, as far as I can tell. So I am curious to what this setting does and most importantly, how you managed to identify it as the culprit. Thanks. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On 4/26/2010 6:03 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: You got it. Phillip - it's not a bug but a design change/flaw. I went to 2.x for better security but the design of ID/Password handling went overboard. I have a few hundred bookmarks and a few dozen with ID/Password protection. The Wall St Journal is a nice example, one of the publications I go to daily. When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a "Hello, John" greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. I use a number of ID/Passwords for different purposes, for different clients, etc. Remembering which one for which site is not practical for a human - that's what I have a computer for, and the 1.x and even old Netscape does it well - user friendly. I think if the banks are the ones that forced this change on Mozilla, the proper response SHOULD have been to tell them to go pound sand and write their own damned browser and leave the Mozilla team free to write the browser the USERS want... I agree. I very much doubt banks care about the way a browser is designed with regards to security and passwords. Any bank IT guy knows the limits of this type of security. It so happens I daily deal with two banks and several credit card sites in the US, two banks in Finland and two banks in France. None of the US sites I deal with have any security beyond the typical user's name and password, with the exception of one of them (Bank of America) which uses a sitekey (whatever that brings in terms of security, I do not know). The two Finnish banks use a totally different approach, where browsers have little to do in terms of security: you are prompted to enter a specific six digit number, from a list printed of on a card where they are numbered and which you keep in your wallet for instance. This card is renewed by the bank on a regular basis. Hard to defeat, unless you are stupid enough to give your card to somebody, or if it is stolen and you do not notice it. ... One of the two French banks I use requires that I click on a virtual keypad to enter the password, the keypad being reshuffled every time I attempt to logon. In other words, the keys never (or as frequently as you win the lotto!) show up with the same display. Hard to defeat too ... This is why I do not believe for a second banks would bother "dictate" the way Browsers deal with this issue. It has to be a design choice and as any choice, it is a compromise ... Any way, Firefox 3 (and SM 1.1.1x) and Roboforms do work very well together which shows that a convenient and reasonably safe system can be put up for forms and passwords. Unfortunately, Roboform does not work its usual way (there seems to be a work-around but I have not checked it) with SM 2 and the company does not appear to be in a hurry to issue a compatible version. Until then, I use SM1.1.19 and Firefox 3, hoping the situation will evolve and let me use SM2. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Multiple Versions
On 4/16/2010 6:12 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Richard Lee Holbert wrote:
I have 1.1.18 and 2.0.3 both on this machine and I just downloaded
the setup file for 2.0.4 . I have been using 1.1.18 for awhile now
and it is my default mail. In the 2.0.3 version, I have e-mail which
does NOT show up in the 1.1.18 program and also some in 2.0.3 which
does NOT show up in 1.1.18. Can anyone tell me why. And, if I install
2.0.4 do I need to get rid of all previous versions ? Also, if I
install 2.0.4 how can I make sure that ALL e-mail from 1.1.18 and
2.0.3 gets into 2.0.4 ?
Thanks for any and all help.
From what I've read here over the past few months:
SM 2 installs in a different location from SM 1, and it does not
continue to use the same profile. Instead, it imports ("migrates") your
profile and creates a new one for its own use based on the data from
version 1. Therefore, you can (if you wish) continue to use both
programs. However, if you do that -- if you send and receive mail with
one program, and then send and receive mail with the other program, and
back and forth -- each program, because it maintains its own separate
profile and its own separate mail folders, will have a different set of
messages. Many of them will be the same -- the ones that you imported
when you first installed version 2. But any messages you sent or
received with SM 1 will be stored in the SM 1 profile, and any messages
you sent or received with version 2 will be stored in the SM 2 profile.
As time goes by, the two sets of messages will become more and more
different -- only the old messages will be the same.
If you want to maintain one profile and one set of message folders, you
need to make up your mind. The recommendation here is generally version
2, which fixes some important security issues. You can uninstall version
1 without harming version 2, but first you probably want to transfer the
messages sent/received with version 1 since you installed version 2. If
that's your decision, post back and someone will provide detailed
instructions.
As for 2.0.4, you should be able to install that minor update right over
2.0.3. That's the least of your worries.
You can set both SM1 and SM2 to use the same settings when it comes to
mail account. Just have both programs point to the same "local
directory" in the mail account settings. Printing the various settings
before doing this may be a good idea to avoid any error.
To avoid any potential conflict, just refrain from using the two
versions at the same time to access your mail.
Of course, before you fiddle with your settings, make sure to backup all
mail files (the ones without extension). And to be on the safe side,
also backup your profiles. Do not *assume* that backing up your profile
will backup your mail, since this is only the default location.
Personally, I have SM1, SM2 and TB3 pointing at the same mail location,
without any problem. But, not looking for trouble, I only use one
program at the same time.
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Re: Security Certificate Expired..
On 4/9/2010 8:58 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 4/9/10 10:38 AM, JD wrote: Martin F. wrote: JD schrieb: A web page that I trust appears to have let it's security certificate expire and now I can't sign on. There window that pops up says: www.changed-webpage-name.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 06 Apr 10 15:55. Error code: sec_error_expired_certificate I have contacted them but it said they can take up to two days to get back to me so is there a way to over-ride this setting in SM? If this screen occurs: http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4539/exception.png Click that you know the risk and then click on the button to Add an excption which allows you to confirm a security exception for invalid certificates in the upcoming window. regards Martin I don't get that screen. I did get a e-mail from customer support and they say they're aware of the problem and are working on it so I guess I'll just wait? Because Mozilla developers want to over-protect users, your problem is one that cannot be resolved within SeaMonkey's capabilities. This is not a SeaMonkey problem but a Mozilla Core problem. See my bug #548380 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548380>. I confirm that I never had this problem with SM 1.xx and that import of certificate works adequately. One more reason for me to wait until SM 2.xx matures, I cannot afford this kind of situation for my personal finances. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Local Folders
On 3/29/2010 2:27 AM, Monica wrote: John Doue wrote: On 3/28/2010 8:19 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Monica wrote: What is "Local Folders" that I see in my mail& newsgroup list? What is it´s purpose? <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Local_Folders> HTH Jens This is the politically correct answer. One question remains on my mind: before Local Folders (was Mozilla Suite which started this), what was it we could not do today with them? Not obvious, except for one thing which became easier with them: "Some people use Local Folders as a place to archive old messages, so that their actively used mail folders are smaller and less cluttered" (cited from the URL above). Lots of users keep an inordinate amount of mail in the Inbox. Local Folders can indeed be used as a storage area for emails that are not immediately needed but that should still remain readily accessible. Personally, this is the only practical use I ever found for Local Folders. Regards John Doue Thanks for the clarification! You are very welcome. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Local Folders
On 3/28/2010 8:19 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Monica wrote: What is "Local Folders" that I see in my mail& newsgroup list? What is it´s purpose? <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Local_Folders> HTH Jens This is the politically correct answer. One question remains on my mind: before Local Folders (was Mozilla Suite which started this), what was it we could not do today with them? Not obvious, except for one thing which became easier with them: "Some people use Local Folders as a place to archive old messages, so that their actively used mail folders are smaller and less cluttered" (cited from the URL above). Lots of users keep an inordinate amount of mail in the Inbox. Local Folders can indeed be used as a storage area for emails that are not immediately needed but that should still remain readily accessible. Personally, this is the only practical use I ever found for Local Folders. Regards John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped
Benoit Renard wrote: I find the subject to be inappropriate, considering that it's about the last release of a branch instead of solely the decision to stop support. A better subject would have been: "SeaMonkey 1.1.19 released, end of line for 1.x". At first, I thought you were splitting hairs, and was about to say so ... until I realized it did mean the last release of 1.xx had been released. Which lends credibility to the point you are making. I am waiting for 2.1 to be published to make a final decision about Seamonkey. So far, although I am a Netscape, Mozilla Suite and Seamonkey guy, I must admit I ended up using FF 3.5 (FF does not work adequately with my LCL bank) and TB3. For some reason I would be hard pressed to state exactly why FF and TB appear to be more appealing. So, I am keeping an eye open, but for the time being, SM 2.xx is not for me and I sincerely regret it. I am installing SM 1.19 (thank you for make me realize it is there!). -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped
Benoit Renard wrote: I find the subject to be inappropriate, considering that it's about the last release of a branch instead of solely the decision to stop support. A better subject would have been: "SeaMonkey 1.1.19 released, end of line for 1.x". At first, I thought you were splitting hairs, and was about to say so ... until I realized it did mean the last release of 1.xx had been released. Which lends credibility to the point you are making. I am waiting for 2.1 to be published to make a final decision about Seamonkey. So far, although I am a Netscape, Mozilla Suite and Seamonkey guy, I must admit I ended up using FF 3.5 (FF does not work adequately with my LCL bank) and TB3. For some reason I would be hard pressed to state. So, I am keeping an eye open, but for the time being, SM 2.xx is not for me and I sincerely regret it. I am installing SM 1.19 (thank you for make me realize it is there!). -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Synchronize Mail ???
On 2/12/2010 4:26 AM, Willard wrote: Is there a way to add only the new mail to PC#1 from PC#2 and visa versa in each profile using 1.1.18 on WinXPproSP3 ??? What you are trying to do can be done, but it is not exactly easy and I do not know how this could be automated. Personally, I would go along those lines: - In your destination machine, create a dummy mail account (pick a name that will be obvious to you), being careful to choose a unique (as opposed to existing) location in Server Settings, Local Directory. - Replicate the directories of origination machine so that the structure of the account is the exact replica of your "normal" account. - TB being closed, copy all mail files (the ones without extension) to their corresponding location in the dummy account of the destination machine. - When this is, you find yourself with: 1) the account you want to update 2) a copy of the account holding new mail in the dumming account. So far, this sound like a lot of work, but it is easy, you just need to be methodical not to mess up. Now, the fun part: Go into the dummy account and for each subfolder, identify the emails you need to move so that the "normal" account integrates the new emails. It might as simple as looking at dates (if the two machines where not used concurrently) or it can be quite messy if you need to look at emails one by one ... Once you have selected the emails, it is simply a matter of moving them from the dummy account to the corresponding subfolder of the "normal" account. Of course, this is realistic only to the extent you are not dealing with too many accounts. Otherwise, as David mentionned, you need to go IMAP. I hope I understood right what you want to do and that I explained relatively clearly the procedure I occasionally use when two of my machines have been used concurrently. One much simpler approach, if you are dealing with only a few new emails, is to consolidate them in an empty subfolder (say, drafs for exemple). Then, make sure the same subfolder is empty in the destination machine (file size of Draft - no extension - should be zero after compacting) and overwrite the Draft file in the destination machine with the Draft file containing new mails. Then you just need to dispatch the new mails where they belong. Much easier, but valid only for a few emails ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is there any tab management extension for Seamonkey
On 2/8/2010 12:36 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:13:35 -0500, Trel Smith wrote: Anything would be nice? There's really nothing other than 1.x had (other than an undo close) I can't even do basic things like put a close button on tabs. I'm working on the close button on tabs bug but I'm facing some headwinds from other SeaMonkey developers who hate the idea. So at the moment I'm concentrating on bugs that don't get so much criticism. Phil Thank you Philip for your candidness ... and for this insight on developers interest in this. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On 2/1/2010 12:26 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 8:09 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Just want to keep making the point not everyone desires tabs. And make sure us people that don't, have the ability to customize the way we want. I may be the only one on the groups that does, but there are most likely unspoken thousands, that share my views. Thousands? Yes. there perhaps only 1/1000's or 1/1's of the actual users actually frequent the newsgroups, forums and such. what opinions are represented here, are the people that frequent here. They have no resemble to the people that Use SeaMonkey, FireFox, ThunderBird and have no idea these support forums are even here. Plus many ISP's and cable, Phone Companies are going away with news servers, or even limiting email. So there are *many* users that don't even know we exist. So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to have the install routine display a notice of "our" existence? Better yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu? This newsgroup has invaluable information and by keeping users abreast of issues, comments and so on, shores up the interest they have in a product we love. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
Phillip Jones wrote: snip No I'll let it die. Sailfish has. No sense in beating a dead horse. I think Sailfish is letting the website die. Something must have happen to him because based on my reading his forums One day he was talking about doing updates and the next day and the very next day the message came up that he was discontinuing work. A pity. It would be nice if someone felt up to the task of updating it ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 6:06 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 3:58 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 4:17 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've been commenting about I wish the SkyPilot Classic Theme was updated. Will I had a couple of old post where I asked if they would fix the theme. Well I clicked on the link I had saved. and went back to SailFish Bulletin Board. At first I didn't see any post. So I set to view post in Last 90 days. Turns Out That Salfish has quit work on SkyPilot and many of his other themes. Saying to due to unforeseen circumstances he is stopping all work on SkyPilot Theme. Is Offerring to allow other people with his permission to take over work. But reserve the rights to work on it in the future. So for all intents and purposes SPC is dead in the water. Its the best theme ever designed by anyone for SM, FF, or TB. I'll switch to it. make a screenshot and post a link so you all can see it. FWIW, SkyPilot works fine on FF 3.6 How did you make work in FF I go to site for it and it doesn't even come up an install screen for it it show this theme not available for this Browser? Simple. I make it a habit to store theme files. I just loaded the one I have into FF 3.6, which was initially meant for FF 2.x and proves to be compatible. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to post it wherever indicated, inasmuch the author does not object. I tried fudging the user agent Got it to install but it used a .jar file *not* an xpi. would not work. Send to my email address. sorry left out a word added it above. Was this word ... please? :-) Actually it was Pretty, Pretty Please. But installed and it didn't work Looking further into the issue, I realized that the theme does not work perfectly: it does not display the navigation toolbar, which restricts a lot its useability. No other anomaly that I can find so far. Could you be a little more specific about what does not Work? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 6:06 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 3:58 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 4:17 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've been commenting about I wish the SkyPilot Classic Theme was updated. Will I had a couple of old post where I asked if they would fix the theme. Well I clicked on the link I had saved. and went back to SailFish Bulletin Board. At first I didn't see any post. So I set to view post in Last 90 days. Turns Out That Salfish has quit work on SkyPilot and many of his other themes. Saying to due to unforeseen circumstances he is stopping all work on SkyPilot Theme. Is Offerring to allow other people with his permission to take over work. But reserve the rights to work on it in the future. So for all intents and purposes SPC is dead in the water. Its the best theme ever designed by anyone for SM, FF, or TB. I'll switch to it. make a screenshot and post a link so you all can see it. FWIW, SkyPilot works fine on FF 3.6 How did you make work in FF I go to site for it and it doesn't even come up an install screen for it it show this theme not available for this Browser? Simple. I make it a habit to store theme files. I just loaded the one I have into FF 3.6, which was initially meant for FF 2.x and proves to be compatible. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to post it wherever indicated, inasmuch the author does not object. I tried fudging the user agent Got it to install but it used a .jar file *not* an xpi. would not work. Send to my email address. sorry left out a word added it above. Was this word ... please? :-) Actually it was Pretty, Pretty Please. But installed and it didn't work Did you disable compatibility checking? Actually on my machines, the theme might have been "ported" from FF2x to FF3x, and not installed directly into FF3x. Could make a difference. Try it if you have time and are curious enough ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
On 1/28/2010 4:58 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: snip Send to my email address. Done! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
On 1/28/2010 6:06 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 3:58 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 4:17 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've been commenting about I wish the SkyPilot Classic Theme was updated. Will I had a couple of old post where I asked if they would fix the theme. Well I clicked on the link I had saved. and went back to SailFish Bulletin Board. At first I didn't see any post. So I set to view post in Last 90 days. Turns Out That Salfish has quit work on SkyPilot and many of his other themes. Saying to due to unforeseen circumstances he is stopping all work on SkyPilot Theme. Is Offerring to allow other people with his permission to take over work. But reserve the rights to work on it in the future. So for all intents and purposes SPC is dead in the water. Its the best theme ever designed by anyone for SM, FF, or TB. I'll switch to it. make a screenshot and post a link so you all can see it. FWIW, SkyPilot works fine on FF 3.6 How did you make work in FF I go to site for it and it doesn't even come up an install screen for it it show this theme not available for this Browser? Simple. I make it a habit to store theme files. I just loaded the one I have into FF 3.6, which was initially meant for FF 2.x and proves to be compatible. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to post it wherever indicated, inasmuch the author does not object. I tried fudging the user agent Got it to install but it used a .jar file *not* an xpi. would not work. Send to my email address. sorry left out a word added it above. Was this word ... please? :-) -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
On 1/28/2010 3:58 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: On 1/28/2010 4:17 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've been commenting about I wish the SkyPilot Classic Theme was updated. Will I had a couple of old post where I asked if they would fix the theme. Well I clicked on the link I had saved. and went back to SailFish Bulletin Board. At first I didn't see any post. So I set to view post in Last 90 days. Turns Out That Salfish has quit work on SkyPilot and many of his other themes. Saying to due to unforeseen circumstances he is stopping all work on SkyPilot Theme. Is Offerring to allow other people with his permission to take over work. But reserve the rights to work on it in the future. So for all intents and purposes SPC is dead in the water. Its the best theme ever designed by anyone for SM, FF, or TB. I'll switch to it. make a screenshot and post a link so you all can see it. FWIW, SkyPilot works fine on FF 3.6 How did you make work in FF I go to site for it and it doesn't even come up an install screen for it it show this theme not available for this Browser? Simple. I make it a habit to store theme files. I just loaded the one I have into FF 3.6, which was initially meant for FF 2.x and proves to be compatible. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to post it wherever indicated, inasmuch the author does not object. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyPilot Classic Theme abandoned
On 1/28/2010 4:17 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: I've been commenting about I wish the SkyPilot Classic Theme was updated. Will I had a couple of old post where I asked if they would fix the theme. Well I clicked on the link I had saved. and went back to SailFish Bulletin Board. At first I didn't see any post. So I set to view post in Last 90 days. Turns Out That Salfish has quit work on SkyPilot and many of his other themes. Saying to due to unforeseen circumstances he is stopping all work on SkyPilot Theme. Is Offerring to allow other people with his permission to take over work. But reserve the rights to work on it in the future. So for all intents and purposes SPC is dead in the water. Its the best theme ever designed by anyone for SM, FF, or TB. I'll switch to it. make a screenshot and post a link so you all can see it. FWIW, SkyPilot works fine on FF 3.6 -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Pdf problem in 1.1.18
Here is puzzling problem: In SM 1.1.18, I can view pdf files from the navigator with the internal viewer, but double-clicking on an attached pdf to an email leaves SM totally indifferent: no reaction whatsoever. The same attachment opens correctly when clicked upon from TB3, opening Adobe Acrobat which is installed on my system. Creating a helpers application does not help. Any ideas? Thanks -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Back to 1.18 - More
On 1/10/2010 12:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again. Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake? Yes, provided the update does not make incompatible extensions you are not prepared to do without ... Some extensions' author may have trouble updating as fast as the main product does. A point to consider and an important one, given the pivotal role customizing plays in the popularity of those products. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer
On 12/21/2009 5:14 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: snip Our only chance of keeping SeaMonkey alive at all was to reduce the amount of unknown code we cannot maintain and replace it with code that is being maintained by someone else - which meant switching to the newer Mozilla platform, of which e.g. the new form management code is a part of. snip You do have a very valid point. My concern is, it works both ways. The other side of the coin is, since this is a volunteer venture, how can we hope that in x number of years, the new volunteers will not consider the present code "unmaintainable"? Given all this, I marvel at the fact, at a time when some people just make outrageous amounts of money by being (too) smart with other people's hard earned money, some volunteers dedicate time to Seamonkey. This puts my reluctance with SM2 in perspective and I wish I had the technical ability to contribute better and more efficiently than by occasional posts ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RoboForm support for SM 2
On 12/21/2009 5:32 PM, Mike C wrote: I emailed RoboForm and asked "When will RoboForm work with Seamonkey 2 ?" The answer I got back was: "> Unfortunately Seamonkey 2.x is not supported yet. We do apologize for the inconvenience, but there is no ETA available at this time. Maybe if they get lots of requests they'll be quicker! Here's where you can make requests: http://support.roboform.com/php/rtss/main/?lang= Mike C Well, this is still a step forward from the answer I got some time ago ... At that point, they just said, check our site, when it will be available, it will be posted. Not word for word, but that was the idea. But you are right. Until it is available, no chance I will consider SM2 prime time. I adopte FF3 only when I found Roboform, otherwise I would still be with FF2. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Robert Kaiser wrote: Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username & password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. Congratulations! I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about using secure software. ;-) Robert Kaiser Well, I can understand your surprise but, with a properly configured and uptodate system, professional AV and Antimalware, I am not sure - for lack of definitive expertise - a "secure" browser is that indispensable. What surprises me more, is for a user to stay with Netscape 4.08 when 7.02 probably was the best version ever of the suite, and secondly, that the user did not encounter enough browsing problems with an older engine to feel the need to update. At the end of the day, I believe usability and clear interface are two factors whose importance cannot be stressed enough. No doubt SM2 will over time iron out the few quirks it has and be as successful as its predecessors. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 vs 1.1.18
Paul wrote: John wrote: Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0 vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a username & password for email accounts. ugly. I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went to SM 1117. I am still with 1117. I should be good now until about the year 2014. I must say, I am surprised you did not at some point upgrade to Netscape 7.2! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.18 Stops Working in Win 7
Robert Kaiser wrote: snip Of course, the more one tries to be helpful, the more (s)he can hope for receiving help. We're just a losely-tied community of pretty normal people and standard group dynamic applies, after all. Robert Kaiser Well said! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mark All Read
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 10:26 AM, S. Beaulieu wrote: JAS a écrit : I use CTRL + Shift + C Nice! I didn't know that one! I'll have to try it next time. S. See Message -> Mark -> All Read, and it will show the accelerator key that can be used to invoke it. Note that this marks all messages in the current "folder" (news group or e-mail mailbox) - not in the entire server. So, basically, the answer to my question seems to be: no, we do not of such an extension. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Mark All Read
Is there somewhere anything equivalent to the handy MarkAllRead for TBird? For 1.1.18 and possible for 2.0. I discovered this extension recently and find it very convenient. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM active
Norvin wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Norvin: Just updated to SM 2.0 and now when I am doing work other than mail/internet (SM not on) Example for that work? SM will start by itself. What does SM do when started? Hartmut I can leave the computer with the desktop showing, go get a cup of coffee and come back and SM will be on showing my normal screen of my emails. Everything works fine, just that SM becomes active without my choice. How many people work in your office and are practical jokers? Beyond this, when you turn on your machine in the morning (right time for coffee, no?), which programs are active? Did you check msconfig? With more details about your machine configuration, might be easier to reproduce the miracle ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:config
jim wrote: On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:09:33 -0800, "David E. Ross" in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: On 11/1/2009 10:02 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: On 11/1/2009 6:29 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: [about:config] But it can be useful in the hands of an _experienced_ user Yes. And it could be vitally necessary for developers and testers. Vital? No, you can always use the user.js. ;) Hartmut The "it" to which I referred would be a preference variable dictionary, a document for humans and not a file for software. As a retired software test engineer, I know that data dictionaries were very, very important to both developers and testers in the projects on which I worked. A preference variable dictionary would be very similar and have a similar role. And just as we did not keep our data dictionaries secret from our end-users, a preference variable dictionary should not be kept from SeaMonkey users. Levels of user usage.. This is an old message, but what the heck. Some people are only concerned 'that' something works. They really don't care 'how' it works. And having a glimmer to some level of the 'how' makes the upper things a lot easier to deal with. But the 'how' has several levels too. So which level do you want to hang your hat on? "User.js" is not the end file. If I remember correctly it is an auxiliary file to prefs.js. Prefs.js is read into memory when the application is booted and pulls in user.js as a tag-a-long to be made a part thereof. Or maybe they are two different physical memory files or maybe it really doesn't make any difference to the guy who only cares 'that' it works. The whole thing is concept with physical underpinnings There are dictionaries of pref.js parameters on the web, and the ones I have seen will tell you right up front they are not complete -- but my experience is that they have a lot more information that than the gui interface or 'help' will give you. I would say more real, but that depends on what you consider 'real' to be -- real is a level. Someone said that Seamonkey was 'too complicated' for Firefox users. How many are aware that in past releases they basically ran the same way. What is "basically"? On one level, you could say that the BIOS and the OS are "basically" the same, just on different levels. However, in the case of SM (previously Netscape) and Firefox I am talking about some base files being exactly or largely interchangeable... This is mostly only by observation, and reading, that I know this so maybe the elephant is really much like a snake.. Personally, i bemoan what is considered "computer literate" today... I run five main browsers, more if you include linux,solaris, etc., and on one level, they are all the same, only in different clothes, on another level they are often unique. I often have questions that someone else knows the answer to and for that I am grateful. Right now I am stymied by the SMTP-AUTH problem in the SM2.0 release. I do not know the answer, and in that case i am only concerned 'that' it works. It worked fine in the Beta version. I also think it is ridiculous to release something with such a major bug. Somebody knows the answer I seek.. It's all so simple, i'm sure. jim ends his epistle for today. -- Many years ago, about 1979 or '80, an issue of Computer Weekly had a cover reading "the Black Art of Systems Programming" the story said that the way things were going that we would end up with only a small group of people who actually knew "how" things worked in computerland. That story has proved correct.. Very interesting digression Jim! But to get back to SM 2.0 release, I think, with all due respect to the hard work of the developpers, it might have been better to, first not to hurry too much to release 2.0, second, not to underestimate the heritage of Netscape, Mozilla and SM 1.xx, just because the code, written by others, appeared to be too convoluted. Putting it another way, the Mozilla Suite with a modern engine might have been what a lot of users were hoping for! But from a positive perspective, let us hope that an early update will soon come and correct the most obvious problems ... even if today's trend is to write new code ... and create new problems, instead of correcting existing ones. This is not what I call progress. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migrating SM 1.x to SM 2.0 -- Personal toolbar
jim wrote: Windows XP sp2 Seamonkey 2.0 With much travail (not really, just time) it is done -- the personal toolbar, (folders and icons, probably over a hundred bookmarks) from SM 1.x is now display properly in SM 2.0. I doubt that the format of bookmarks.html changed for 1.x to 2.0, but if it did it is backward compatible. I have no idea if the un-installation (complete) of SM 1.x trashed its bookmarks.html because mine were pointed to a second level subdirectory instead of six or so levels down. Mine Use a prefs.js entry: browser.bookmarks.file;C:\program files\sharedbookmarks\bookmarks_sm.html (That's a user set string for about:config.) For years I had shared them with Firefox and simply had to be aware of who was rewriting the file last to keep them synched. I haven't for a while. I note that the header from prefs.js has finally been changed from "" to "# Mozilla User Preferences" FACE I am not sure if there is a question in your post but, you mention you share bookmarks between SM 1.xx and Firefox. Obviously, this was not FF version 3 since, then, the format of bookmarks changed completely and this is no longer possible the way you did it. Interesting your used this prefs.js entry about bookmarks. I had a different strategy, sharing SM 1.xx's and FF 2.xx"s : I launched FF and SM (not at the same time, of course) via a batch file that checked the date and time of the bookmarks file and copied it over in case the bookmarks of the launched application were older. A little more complicated than your approach. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RoboForm adapter will not install in Seamonkey 2.0
MikeyG wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: When attempting to install the RoboForm adapter, which worked fine in 1.18, the following message was displayed - "Incompatible Extension. AI RoboForm Toolbar for Seamonkey will not be installed because it does not provide secure up dadates." I went into EDIT>PREFERENCES>ADVANCED>SOFTWARE INSTALLATION>MANAGE SOFTWARE NSTALLATION AND UPDATES>ALLOWED SITES> There I inserted Roboform.com and made it an allowed site. I attempted to install the Adapter again and again, the same message came up as is listed above. I went back into Software installations and RoboForm was no longer there. I went through the same procedure, re-inserted RoboForm.com, tried again and got the same denial message. I tried once more but the Software Installations wouldn't accept roboform.com at all this time. How do I get around this? Thanks, Serge Popper Roboforms does not work in SM 2.0. I contacted the company to see if and when they intended to have an extension for it, and go a terse answer saying in not so many words, if and when there is one, it will posted on our Web site. Wait and see. But until there is one, I use SM 2.0 for experimenting only, I miss too much its convenience. Thanks for your response. I did the same thing and got the same answer. I'm ging to roll back to 1.18 and wait for the adapter. Thanks, Serge This might also be a chance for you to play a little with FF 3.5x. Although I prefer SM, Roboform working perfectly with FF, I now use it as an alternate. One site I visit regularly does not work very well any more with SM 1.1.18 because of some elaborate scripts. Since I am the belt and suspender type, I also have TB installed, and with the right extension installed to kind of connect them, the duo FF and TB come close to the convenience of SM, which I still prefer, probably because it still has something I liked in Netscape's early versions. One thing that makes you like SM the best, is that when you click a Mailto: It doesn't open a Blank web page in FireFox and open a Blank email window with no address. In SM it simply switches email and the address is ready. Never has worked from day one in FF/TB. It just, now, Worked for me; FF 3.5.5 / TB 2.0.0.23. MikeyG And it does for me, never had that problem. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RoboForm adapter will not install in Seamonkey 2.0
Serge Popper wrote: John Doue wrote: Serge Popper wrote: When attempting to install the RoboForm adapter, which worked fine in 1.18, the following message was displayed - "Incompatible Extension. AI RoboForm Toolbar for Seamonkey will not be installed because it does not provide secure up dadates." I went into EDIT>PREFERENCES>ADVANCED>SOFTWARE INSTALLATION>MANAGE SOFTWARE NSTALLATION AND UPDATES>ALLOWED SITES> There I inserted Roboform.com and made it an allowed site. I attempted to install the Adapter again and again, the same message came up as is listed above. I went back into Software installations and RoboForm was no longer there. I went through the same procedure, re-inserted RoboForm.com, tried again and got the same denial message. I tried once more but the Software Installations wouldn't accept roboform.com at all this time. How do I get around this? Thanks, Serge Popper Roboforms does not work in SM 2.0. I contacted the company to see if and when they intended to have an extension for it, and go a terse answer saying in not so many words, if and when there is one, it will posted on our Web site. Wait and see. But until there is one, I use SM 2.0 for experimenting only, I miss too much its convenience. Thanks for your response. I did the same thing and got the same answer. I'm ging to roll back to 1.18 and wait for the adapter. Thanks, Serge This might also be a chance for you to play a little with FF 3.5x. Although I prefer SM, Roboform working perfectly with FF, I now use it as an alternate. One site I visit regularly does not work very well any more with SM 1.1.18 because of some elaborate scripts. Since I am the belt and suspender type, I also have TB installed, and with the right extension installed to kind of connect them, the duo FF and TB come close to the convenience of SM, which I still prefer, probably because it still has something I liked in Netscape's early versions. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: RoboForm adapter will not install in Seamonkey 2.0
Serge Popper wrote: When attempting to install the RoboForm adapter, which worked fine in 1.18, the following message was displayed - "Incompatible Extension. AI RoboForm Toolbar for Seamonkey will not be installed because it does not provide secure up dadates." I went into EDIT>PREFERENCES>ADVANCED>SOFTWARE INSTALLATION>MANAGE SOFTWARE NSTALLATION AND UPDATES>ALLOWED SITES> There I inserted Roboform.com and made it an allowed site. I attempted to install the Adapter again and again, the same message came up as is listed above. I went back into Software installations and RoboForm was no longer there. I went through the same procedure, re-inserted RoboForm.com, tried again and got the same denial message. I tried once more but the Software Installations wouldn't accept roboform.com at all this time. How do I get around this? Thanks, Serge Popper Roboforms does not work in SM 2.0. I contacted the company to see if and when they intended to have an extension for it, and go a terse answer saying in not so many words, if and when there is one, it will posted on our Web site. Wait and see. But until there is one, I use SM 2.0 for experimenting only, I miss too much its convenience. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to install version 2.0 so that it does NOT interfere with Version 1.1.18
Leonidas Jones wrote: OldCroc wrote: The Subject line says it all, except I would like to add that this is important to me, as I do not want what is on my Version either Destroyed or imported into Version 2.0, except by manually being done by me. There are some errors in formatting in certain folders that I do not want carried over, plus I have too many things I just don't want to lose! It is never a good idea to state your question in the subject line only. The better procedure is to write a descriptive subject line, then state your question in full in the body of the message. Just install it. SM 2.0 installs to a different location then SM 1.1.18. Installing SM2 does not overwrite SM 1.1.18. The profile migration wizard does not remove your 1.1.18 profile. It copies the data to a different location. Form that point you have two different profiles, one for 2.0 and one for 1.1.18. If you prefer not to have the wizard migrate your data, simply shoose to import nothing. A new blank profile will be created for 2.0. Lee I would take a much more prudent approach, since it is a fact that the migration wizard does not always start and give you a choice: Personnally, I have never seen it appear upon SM2 install. And even if it does, the possibility of interference with your SM1 cannot ruled out. Better be safe than sorry. As I have stated in a different thread, it is wize to make a back up of both SM 1 profile *and* installation folder, the latter because it may contain add-ons which by design or customization did not install in the profile folder. Just zip those folders, making sure the path is saved along with the file (check the option in your zip program). Then, and only then, go ahead, you are safe in case actually SM 2 messes up your SM 1 installation, as it did for me (admittedly, my installation is heavily customized, so this was something I expected). -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Leonidas Jones wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/11/2009 17:12, John Doue told the world: Richard wrote: /snip/ I have seen two explanations regarding the skipping of version 5: one coming from marketing and the other from the development process. The marketing explanation was that they just jumped one version in order to seem more advanced. The development process is a bit more involved. Apparently, the idea at first was to develop two new versions of Netscape in parallel: V5 would be based on the old Netscape code, while V6 would be based on the new Mozilla Project code. V5 was eventually dropped entirely. Which is true? Probably a bit of both; people would talk about "Netscape 5" and "Netscape 6" internally, and when NS5 was cancelled, Marketing saw no reason to lower the version number of the new Netscape. Okay, my understanding was that Netscape released the Communicator code to Open Source, hoping to develop a new version with help from the community. However, the old code had become so convoluted that only Netscape engineers could make much sense of it, leading to the founding of the Mozilla project and Gecko, on which Netscape 6 and later version was sourced. Lee Thanks all for this bit of interesting history. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: John Doue wrote: Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Sorry for pointing to the obvious, but do you have any serious reason to drop SM 1.1.18? I cannot imagine why you consider yourself stuck with version 2. Going back to SM 1.1.18 should not be difficult, even if you did not save your profile before going to SM 2.0. It will be a long while before SM 1.x is so outdated that it cannot be used reliably on the vast majority of sites. Safety is not either a serious issue with the normal array of protections serious surfers use. So the time you will spend restoring SM 1xx will not be wasted time. I go back to Netscape 3.2 and do not remember a disastrous version ... but I cannot say I tried them all. I believe you might be referring to 6.x when AOL interfered with Netscape. I never move to a newer version without making sure I can return to the previous one and I am sure I am glad I did so for Vista! Ya you're correct, it was version six, I have used Netscape since the beginning, I could not remember, only that there was a very disastrous version, believe it or not I was so anti ms then (for killing my browser) I stuck with it until last ver 7 upgrade, ver 8 was not used by me, then went to Mozilla, I need/want the multiple profiles. If I recall Netscape skipped version 5? I have returned to SM 1.1 until someone wakes up and includes migration of all profiles. I have always kept my profiles separately as soon as I knew how to. I believe you are right about version 5. I went the exact same way you did, and left 7.2 behind not so long ago to move to Mozilla suite, then to SM. I use only one profile, now that I am no longer married and my daughter still is too young to grasp the concept. A matter of some more months, I guess! Regards -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help on a true profile migration problem from SM1.1.18 to SM2
Alex Beauroy wrote: Hi, I have installed several time SM2 but never got the Migration Wizard. I would like to use one of the 2 profiles I had with SM1.1.18 but don't know how does the Migration Wizard works... So went back to SM1.1.18 How pitiful Can I get a little solution for that??? Best Regards @lex I never saw the migration wizard either, but did not miss it. I just used profile manager. IIRC, I changed the name of the profile I normally use with SM 1.1.18, created a new one pointing to the location of my "old" profile, and opened SM2. With limited success since it did not like, apparently, its complexity and I had to enter manually most email et newsgroups info. But this will not necessarily be your case. As I said in a different thread, I took care to zip my whole profile and SM directories before I proceeded to install SM2. Therefore, returning to SM 1.xx was a piece of cake. Hope this helps. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Benoit Renard wrote: Rufus wrote: SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features. What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by default when you only have one. Or is it, that after installation, there is no submenu profile-manager entry in the Start Menu, Program? I do not remember and routinely delete those submenus after customizing them into a different location. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Since SM v2 is out, is v1.1.18 the last version for v1?
Richard wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:25:30 -0800, Ant wrote: Hi! Is SeaMonkey ever going to get new v1.1 version or is v1.1.18 it? Just wondering since Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20 that SM v1.1.18 is based on. When KaiRo gets back from his holiday, we will re-look at the situation. Basically Mozilla itself had abandoned the Gecko 1.8.1 platform some time ago but we were still getting some security fixes from Linux vendors who continued to upstream their fixes for a while. This seems to have dried up. We are trying to get a reply from the contact representing the consortium of Linux vendors that have long lived stable branches to see how much longer they will maintain this Gecko branch or if it has been abandoned completely. Unfortunately I fear that the latter is the case. Phil So were stuck with this ver 2, reminds me of a problem we had with a Netscape version way back, also a ver 2 I think or was it ver 3? Netscape lost a great deal of support and ground to ie after that particular disastrous version. Does anyone know of another Browser suite that allows multiple profiles? Sorry for pointing to the obvious, but do you have any serious reason to drop SM 1.1.18? I cannot imagine why you consider yourself stuck with version 2. Going back to SM 1.1.18 should not be difficult, even if you did not save your profile before going to SM 2.0. It will be a long while before SM 1.x is so outdated that it cannot be used reliably on the vast majority of sites. Safety is not either a serious issue with the normal array of protections serious surfers use. So the time you will spend restoring SM 1xx will not be wasted time. I go back to Netscape 3.2 and do not remember a disastrous version ... but I cannot say I tried them all. I believe you might be referring to 6.x when AOL interfered with Netscape. I never move to a newer version without making sure I can return to the previous one and I am sure I am glad I did so for Vista! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.18 vs SeaMonkey 2.1 (if/when 2.1 is released)
Benoit Renard wrote: snip There's no need to save the program folder. You can just reinstall SeaMonkey from the installer. I disagree. If you do not, chances are you will lose most of the add-ons you installed. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: JAS wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: me2 schrieb: I downloaded and installed the extension, its better than nothing, but I suspect I am not in a minority in missing the original from manger. having to add something like Roboform seems to defeat the original concept- Is there any hope at all of restoring form manager? I will uninstall 2.O and go back to 1.18 for now. Robert Kaiser said no, not until someone volunteers to work on it! Funny that there are volunteers to take out working and useful features, but none to tweak them if they break. I suspect that anyone who needs to handle a number of value sets for the same form will continue to use 1.1.18. At least until Chrome gets the new form manager. I for one am glad it is not in SM2 as I never did use it. A program can not please everyone. Perhaps you can volunteer or donate for someone to put forth an effort to fix what you seem to find the Form Management so vital that you can not use SM2 without it. I think you miss the point, it was in, it worked, someone took the time to remove it. No amount of volunteer will put it back in, because someone wanted it out. I used Forms manager at least once a week. What was good about it , was you could pre fill in information so that when a page form asked for it showed up. Obviously the people that take out stuff , don't use it and taking it out, not realizing many people almost depend upon it. But because they don't use it they find it necessary. That what happens when the developers, don't pay attention users or customers. I could not have said it better! :-) -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.18 vs SeaMonkey 2.1 (if/when 2.1 is released)
Mike C wrote: Frog wrote: I will clearly state that I am not a computer whiz...thus, I have a number of concerns regarding SeaMonkey 2.0 installation on my system. I have been reading the many SeaMonkey 2.0 messages on this newsgroup with some concern about my ability to fix the problems that could occur with the installation of 2.0. It seems that the move from 1.1.18 to 2.0 is not happening without a number of glitches along the way. Thus, in light of what I have read, I am wondering if it would wise for me to wait for a future release of SeaMonkey before upgrading my system...I suppose I am hoping that some changes will be incorporated into a future upgrade, that would make the move go more smoothly. Any comments would be appreciated. Also, a list of actions to take, or not to take, during the installation of 2.0 would also be very helpful...just in case I get brave enough to proceed with the 2.0 installation. Note: Windows XP Pro SP3 I have always allowed previous SeaMonkey installations to be loaded using default locations. I suppose that I do have concerns about what happens to the plug I have downloaded. I only have one profile on my system. Frog There are a few add ons that won't work. The two that I know of are: Tabbrowser Extension and Extension Mgr Mike C First, I think it would be more fair to say that few add-ons are yet available for SM 2.0. I think this is quite normal, give some time to the authors to do the necessary changes for those add ons which remain relevant and to create new ones specifically designed for SM 2.0 second, I think it is always advisable to wait some time before changing versions. SM 2.0 is not an upgrade. So, if you are not to comfortable with this, waiting for an update of SM 2.0 might be wise. On the other hand, problems which might occur moving from your previous version to SM 2.0 are likely to occur too while moving to an updated version, since I believe a good part of them are related to the import of profile. This was my case, the installer was not able to import my profile (probably because it slowly evolved from the Netscape days) and this was actually an opportunity to do some house cleaning by starting afresh. Among the things you can do to protect yourself which do not require much expertise, I would suggest: zipping up your *whole* profile and seamonkey directories after setting your zip program so that *it records the paths* of files and storing the zipped files in a safe place. If something goes very wrong when you install the new version, then it is only a matter of uninstalling it, deleting the profile folder and the program folder, and restoring where they belong the original profile and program folders by unzipping the zipped files. No need to mess with the registry. There are many other ways to proceed, but this one does not require any program you do not have on your machine and nor a lot of expertise. Whichever way you choose, do not rely on trusting "default locations". I believe it is indispensible to make note of what they are before doing anything. Just my two cents ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0. Archives and newsgroups
Jens Hatlak wrote: John Doue wrote: It looks like that whatever settings are chosen for Newsgroup, a copy of a sent post is stored as Archives in a folder chosen by the user. Is this correct, or am I misunderstand the meaning of Archives? The new Archive feature is a purely manual one. If you choose Archive from the Message menu or context menu of one or more selected mails (or use the shortcut, Shift+A), SeaMonkey puts a copy of those in the Archives folder that is set in Account Settings. HTH Jens Thanks, I had not realized there was a new Archives command in the Menu. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. I already have those checked and also aggressively look for Favicons ... as well. Since you are not the OP, do you mean to say you also have this problem? I thought so too when I first installed, but the situation corrected itself after I read about those settings. Not sure it is relevant, but I just copied over my bookmark file from my 1.1.17 SM profile -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
John Doue wrote: Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. Please read Content and not Contact. Sorry for the typo. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0. Archives and newsgroups
It looks like that whatever settings are chosen for Newsgroup, a copy of a sent post is stored as Archives in a folder chosen by the user. Is this correct, or am I misunderstand the meaning of Archives? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Two settings transferable from 1.1.18
Just in case this might be of interest, I have found that the two
following settings in the prefs.js file which I use 1.1.18 also work in 2.0:
1- Full newsgroup names (instead of abbreviated)
user_pref("mail.server.default.abbreviate", false);
2- Relocation of sent later mail:
user_pref("mail.default_sendlater_uri",
"mailbox://%40yy...@zzz/name of folder");
I unfortunately cannot find anymore the syntax of this preference, which
is a little difficult to grasp. Anyone interested, ask me privately, I
will email the corresponding line from my own file and try to explain it.
Regards
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Re: 2.0 is buggy as hell and I'm not going to use it anymore
Leonidas Jones wrote: Jim wrote: I'm extremely disappointed in Seamonkey 2.0. The mail program bugs are too severe to warrant continued use. I've come to expect better from Mozilla releases. I didn't use Firefox or Thunderbird because I didn't like the "feel" and they weren't integrated as a suite. Now Seamonkey has lost it's original feel. Things that I liked about Seamonkey are gone (quick launch, quick mail filter 'clear' button). I've reported two or three of the glaring problems (folder listings disappearing, compact related issues). Until the major bugs are fixed, I'll stick with version 1.18. I really do understand your frustration. To be completely honest with you, you can certainly return to 1.1.18. But you do have to realize that you are sticking with a complete dead end. You can do that. Heck there are people out there still running the last version of the Mozilla suite, Netscape 7.2, even a few still trying to get Communicator to work. The older the abandoned product gets, the less functional it becomes. For a good while, probably quite a while, 1.1.18 will continue to work, and work quite well. But the days are numbered and the clock is ticking. I doubt that you will see any security updates for the 1.1 line. If you value the suite approach, and if you want to have a product that is going to carry you into the future with any certainty, making 2.0 work is the only real way to go. The only other real option is to go Firefox/Thunderbird. Its a good option, but I am willing to bet that you will have just as much conversion problems going that route as you will staying with SeaMonkey. I am sorry this has been so difficult for you. Lee Lee, You are making valid points, but one or two more need to be made. Users who are not eager to experiment with .0 products are wise to stay with the product they are using today *until* the most obvious bugs are ironed out in the next release. This has always been true, and still is today. Personally, I like to keep a middle road, sticking to the previous version of a software while experimenting with a new one. Very seldom do I feel I *need* to switch to a new version. I usually wait to do the switch until, and only until, the new version does at least for me as much as the previous version. I do not move up if doing so means losing some features I find really useful and not being able to replace them by a satisfactory equivalent. In SM 2.0 case, bugs set aside, this means waiting until new add-ons are developed specifically for this version. Knowing the product will not go any further does not matter to me as long as it does the job. And since the best software always have their shares of security holes, new ones showing up as fast as old ones are plugged, I'd rather trust my combination of hardware and software firewall and a good antivirus. I believe that the SM project deserves all the help it can get from its users, and remaining on the sidelines without contributing by pointing out problems, in a non-aggressive manner, is not very productive. The other side of the coin is, developers, although they may feel unduly criticized sometimes, and I can sympathize, should make sure the merits of remarks are duly examined, in an open-minded manner. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Form Manager Replacemenmt for 2.0?
Tom Pamin wrote: Has anyone found a good replacement to use with 2.0 for the now missing Form Manager from 1.18? Does Roboform work with 2.0? Is it similar to Form Manager? I sure hope developers rethink the removal of Form Manager from 1.18, and add it back to 2.0 Given my experience with both FF and SM 1.xx, Roboform should perfectly work with SM 2.0, once the company releases an addon for it. I checked their site yesterday, but I guess it is realy too soon to hope for one. Could not hurt to ask them, though ... I am not sure one can say it is similar, or not, to the Form Manager we know in 1.1.18. I can only say, since FF 3.5 did not satisfy me at all in this respect, I installed Roboform and for consistency sake, I also use the software for SM 1.1.18 and am quite satisfied with it. Very easy to work with, just have to learnt how to set it up to your satisfaction. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Robert Kaiser wrote: chicagofan wrote: John Doue wrote: Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. This being said, kudos for this achievement! Kudos indeed! :) Could someone tell me what the "Firefox bookmarks system" is? It's the new bookmarks database that Firefox already uses and which supports things like tagging and live bookmarks. We're not completely sure yet in which way those will be reflected in the new SeaMonkey UI for it though, as we want to keep things very similar to how bookmarks work right now. Robert Kaiser That is a really good news! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Doue wrote: snip Since both 1.xx and 2.x will coexist for a long time, it is more important than ever to mention the version in the subject line. I just hope that 1.x will die very fast - to be blunt, it was outdated to a certain part already when it was released, we as the SeaMonkey project did only build and release 1.x so that there is something out there with our brand and that the partially developed Mozilla 1.8 would be in the hands of people while we would work on the real new suite, which has taken longer than we hoped but is reality as the 2.0 release now. Robert Kaiser Keeping in mind all the hard work it took to get where you are today - all those who contributed deserve to be commended -, I can understand how you feel about the transition from 1.1.18 to SM 2.0. I nevertheless believe it will take quite some time before SM 2.x offers the features - or the adequate workarounds for those which are not replaced - that lots of users appreciate in 1.1.xx. Updating add-ons and probably creating new ones will also be necessary. Realistically, it will also take quite some time before the bugs which quite normally will start appearing as usage develops (as is always the case even for the best products) can be corrected. Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. This being said, kudos for this achievement! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Is it just me, but I feel the "SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!" thread has become next to impossible to follow. Ideally, starting a new Newsgroup for this version would be the solution. More realistically, would not it be better if users would start threads for specific issues related to SM 2.x, by mentioning "SM 2. Issue ..." in the subject line? Anything the moderators can do about this? Since both 1.xx and 2.x will coexist for a long time, it is more important than ever to mention the version in the subject line. Just my two cents ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
e...@edmullen.net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. Bravo. Good work. Well, except for the totally ill-conceived trashing of the modal windows. If I have multiple accounts for a single site (say, American Express, which I do, and many many other sites), and the reason I stored that account info in SeaMonkey in the first place was because I can't and don't want to have to recall the arcane login info, then, no, the new paradigm doesn't work. If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me. WTFO? The whole point of that function is (well, "was") so I don't have to remember, ok? And now you guys broke it. So I now have to remember all my logins in order to use SM's function. Admit it. You broke a perfectly good and useful function. We can argue later about WHY you broke it. But, admit it. The function is broken. The functionality is broken. The usability is broken. "Stupid modal window"? Users don't care about that argument. I care that I have a useful function on a Web site where I have 3 or 4 or 5 different logins. AND THE REASON I US SM AND IT'S LOGIN FUNCTION WAS ... I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS SHIT!!! Got it now? So, okay, modal windows have been deemed inelegant by the programmers. Fine. No problem. Tell you what. Solve my problem and yours at the same time and I'll praise you. Screw me with nonsensical programming arguments? Sorry. You can't support it. There's no argument you can muster that says your argument outweighs normal usage like mine. Tell me, please. If a user of SM has 3 or 4 (or more) logins to a single site, and the whole purpose of using SM's password manager is to not have to remember any of those logins, so that when a user goes to a login URL he'll be tossed up a modal (sorry, "stupid" modal) window wherein he can go "Oh! Right! My wife's account! No! My account! Oh no!!! My daughter's account! Ooops! My son's account ..." Hey. If I wanted to keep all that shit in my brain I'd just use IE. Or something else. What the hell where you people thinking? So, ok, please, tell me. Tell me, in my usage, how am I to employ the new SM paradigm? How is this better for me? And, please, tell me, how does this new and better paradigm work when I log into a site where I have 2, 3, 4 or 5 login identities and I can't remember how any of them start? Ed, check www.roboform.com. This might be an answer to your problems ... Works for me perfectly in FF 3.5. There probably will soon be a version for SM 2.0 since I have no doubt requirements like yours are not unique. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Where is Form Manager in 2.0?
Tom Pamin wrote: How do you access the new Form Manager in 2.0? I can't find it. Check www.roboform.com. I find it extremely useful in FF 3.5 and I guess a version compatible with SM 2.0 will soon be available. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How to block e-mail
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ldj1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: How do I block e-mail from a certain e-mail address? I have seamonkey and pop mail sbcglobal.net. Two basic approaches: 1) If your ISP offers this option, set up a filter on the server so the messages get trashed before you ever download them. This may be relevant: <http://promo.sbcglobal.net/sbcyahoodsl/faq.html#emailQ10> 2) Set up a filter on your local machine that moves the targeted messages to trash whenever you download them. Ideally, it also marks them as read. Click the account name in the folder list and choose "Manage message filters." The advantage of the first option is efficiency/elegance -- you don't waste time and resources downloading and then trashing them, and you can't possibly be annoyed by something you never see. The disadvantage is that it's permanent and unrecoverable (unless we're talking about a system that doesn't purge messages from trash until they've been there for a week or so). The advantage of the second option is that you can periodically scan through your trash to make sure you're not filtering legitimate messages; as above, this relies on your trash-emptying settings. For example, my machine is set to empty trash on exit, so if I want the opportunity to review, I have to either do so before exiting or filter to junk, where messages survive for a week. The disadvantage of the second option, conversely, is that you spend time and resources downloading junk, and you might be tempted to view it and aggravate yourself. I agree with this analysis but I would suggest a third approach as an alternative to the first Paul suggests since I believe (might be wrong though) most ISPs limit the filtering possibility to Web mail. To get my mail, I personally subscribe to a mail service (spamcop) which provides a lot of possibilities. Among them, the possibility to block certain addresses. The corresponding emails (along with emails considered as spam by spamcop) are stored on a specific directory of the server for a certain period of time (not sure, but 30 days I believe) with the possibility to release them. The user just needs to visit spamcop site to review and decide on the necessary action. In spamcop settings, it is possible to stipulate a periodic reporting of such held mail which helps the user review held mail without having to login. Of course, I have no interest in advertizing spamcop, I am just a very satisfied user. And of course also, there is a cost for this service (around $30.00 IIRC), well worth it in my opinion. And the end of the day, this approach combines the advantages of the two offered by Paul. But unless you are willing to take the risk of missing some emails which could be important, some time has to be dedicated, one way or the other, to the reviewing emails ... -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reordering mail accounts?
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:31:24 +0200, horst39 wrote: On 13.10.2009 20:00, John Doue wrote: Yes, but much more simply by using the Folderpane addon: http://www.chuonthis.com/extensions/ But it doesn't work with SM 1.1.18! When installing I get the message "install script not found" Use this version instead: <http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#folderpanetools> Phil Thanks for giving the link to the OP, I had lost track of the one I used to install my own version. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reordering mail accounts?
Martin Freitag wrote:
Thomas Peters schrieb:
Hi,
is there any way to reorder mail accounts in SeaMonkey? I'd like to have
the ones I use frequently displayed at the top.
In the Mail&NewsgroupAccount-Preferences you can select an account and
tell SM to make that account the default one. The default one will be on
the top afaik. (that way it should be possible to re-order by repeating
this step by inverting your importance list while doing so)
Otherweise you will need to edit the file prefs.js in your
seamonkey-profile-directory at the following line I think
user_pref("mail.accountmanager.accounts",
"account1,account2,account3,account5");
Help to locate your pfile etc. can be found here:
http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/
regards
Martin
Yes, but much more simply by using the Folderpane addon:
http://www.chuonthis.com/extensions/
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Re: Making Sea Monkey the Default Browser
Daniel wrote: snip Martin, I'm guessing that Lee has his profile set up to show only unread message snip Not that I would like to do this, but how would I achieve this? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing problem
John Doue wrote: Dixie wrote: The directions for installing SM1.1.18 are way over my head and way too complicated for me. I use SM 1.1.17 and I have always installed SM right over the existing one. Why can't I do the same with 1.1.18? If I cannot, I am doomed to use 1.1.17 forever... Who says you cannot install 1.1.18 over the preceding version? I recently did it on one of my machines without any problem. And now, on this one as this post demonstrates! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing problem
Dixie wrote: The directions for installing SM1.1.18 are way over my head and way too complicated for me. I use SM 1.1.17 and I have always installed SM right over the existing one. Why can't I do the same with 1.1.18? If I cannot, I am doomed to use 1.1.17 forever... Who says you cannot install 1.1.18 over the preceding version? I recently did it on one of my machines without any problem. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What means "ALERT 2147942487"
Mark Hansen wrote: On 09/28/09 15:08, DoctorBill wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 09/27/09 17:59, DoctorBill wrote: Three questions: 1. I have Dial-Up. It take a long time to get connected. The SM 1.1 browser throws up this message window. ALERT 2147942487 Looks like you asked this before: <http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22ALERT+2147942487%22> It then takes two tries to get rid of it - unless I load another web site - then it "X's" out immediately. Why ? 2. as an aside - do I dump all the News headers by erasing the .msf file ? i.e. to start over? 3. I can get "wireless" here in my country town 20 miles from the "big city". Is wireless essentially readable by anybody here with wireless? i.e. no privacy (Bank, Stock Trading, etc) ? That depends on the wireless. To make the communication secure, they can encrypt it. You can ask them if they provide this. When the communication is encrypted, it is much harder for anyone to read it (not impossible, but depending on the level of encryption used, the odds can be astronomical). Best Regards, "Looks like you asked this before" Lord! You're right ! I guess my old mind is goingI forgot about that. I dumped my .msf file and couldn't do a search. Well ... there's always Google :-) That's what I used. Sorry about that. No problem. Did that thread resolve your problem? It seemed like it got to the point where you were asked to try a test profile, but then it stopped. Also, someone mentioned (in that thread) that using a test profile would eliminate any extensions, as they wouldn't be involved in the test profile. I just wanted to point out that some extensions are (or can be) installed in the program directory rather than in the profile, and so could still be involved even in a new profile. Indeed. This can easily be overlooked. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with emailing attachments
John wrote: I'm running SeaMonkey v1.1.17 under Windows XP Pro SP3. When I email someone an attachment, it's usually a .jpg file, and there are no problems. The image is visible at the bottom of the message and also shows up as an icon at the upper right corner of the message window. Recently, I've tried to send both .pdf and .xls files as attachments. With these file types, I see all the lines of binary code below the message text. While I also see the attachment icons in the upper right corner, and can open and view the files, apparently the message recipients (who probably are using a different email program) are receiving only a message with hundreds of lines of binary code after the message text. How do I correct this? Thanks! John Try unchecking "Display attachements inline" in the View menu. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ribbon for SeaMonkey?
Robert Kaiser wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Rumor has it http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138395/Mozilla_plans_to_ribbonize_Firefox that FireFox will adopt a ribbon interface on Vista and Windows 7. Is this going to happen for SeaMonkey also? I have no idea what they mean with "ribbon" there, but what Firefox does plan is described here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Sprints/Windows_Theme_Revamp/Direction_and_Feedback And no, SeaMonkey is not planning in that direction right now - we can't say it will never happen as nobody can know the future, but it's not planned right now. Robert Kaiser Thanks for this good news! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey slowdown
Lee wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Aha! You see, had you ordered one for your Amiga, it would have cost FAR less! :-D Hi Keith Had to ready your reply twice before I caught it, can't wash my hands before typing as I can't do much with the fingers when I do (LOL) I had 5 of them and lucked out and sold them just before the bottom dropped out of the market for them. Lee You got me confused: is it the fingers you sold, which might explain the original typo, amigo :-) ? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Form Manager
Lou wrote: I'm using Seamonkey 2.0b1. So far it's working awesome. My thanks to all the people that are working to make this possible!! One thing that I miss from Seamonkey 1.x was the option of clicking Edit -> Fill in form and have all the fields in a form page fill automatically at once, instead of having to go field by field and entering the first few letters. Could this feature be implemented in the final release of Seamonkey 2? Thanks! Since FF 3.5 behaves the same way, I doubt there is much hope this feature will be in SM 2. Of course Robert Kaiser should know the answer to this. But before I gave up on FF 3.5 for this very reason, I installed the AI Roboform on my machine. http://www.roboform.com/browsers.html and I am veryb pleased with it. Seamonkey 2 is not supported at the moment (quite normal!) but chances are it will be after it is released. If you feel like experimenting, try installing the extension for FF 3 and see what happens. Regards -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Favicons display in navigation bar
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/3/2009 11:54 PM, John Doue wrote: I have a surprising problem. For several sites, including Google, the navigation bar displays the wrong favicon, always Yahoo's. For most others, the favicon displays correctly. I tried changing my home page from yahoo to another one for which the favicon displays correctly, no change. I tried clearing the cache, still no luck. On my bookmarks personal toolbar folder, the same sites are set with and show the correct favicons. My about:config settings are those from Chris'page: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/Favicons Any suggestions? I use 1.1.17 version Do you have both browser.chrome.favicons and browser.chrome.site_icons set "True"? Chris Ilias only mentions the former, but the latter might also be important. Yes, both are set to true. I found the cause of this anomaly, starting from a fresh install of SM, with my existing profile (since creating a new one did not help). I added back one by one my extension until the problem appeared ... took me some patience! The culprit is the Tabextension addon. I confirmed this by uninstalling this extension and the problem went away. I added it back, and sure enough, the problem is back. Given the usefulness of this extension (which does not seem to be available anywhere now ...), I resinstalled it and I will live with this anomaly. The main thing is, now *I know*! May be this can help others ... Thanks -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Favicons display in navigation bar
Martin Freitag wrote: John Doue schrieb: I have a surprising problem. For several sites, including Google, the navigation bar displays the wrong favicon, always Yahoo's. For most others, the favicon displays correctly. I tried changing my home page from yahoo to another one for which the favicon displays correctly, no change. I tried clearing the cache, still no luck. On my bookmarks personal toolbar folder, the same sites are set with and show the correct favicons. My about:config settings are those from Chris'page: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/Favicons Any suggestions? I use 1.1.17 version Have you tried if it behaves the same in a second new profile? (use the Profile Manager to create/manage additional profiles) btw: SM1.1.18 is out ;-) regards Martin Hi Martin, that was the second thing I did after trying deleting all bookmarks ... Lastly, I tried installing 1.1.18 but its Mail component does not display correctly. First time I have this problem with an upgrade. But this is a separate issue, the favicon problem was still there. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Favicons display in navigation bar
I have a surprising problem. For several sites, including Google, the navigation bar displays the wrong favicon, always Yahoo's. For most others, the favicon displays correctly. I tried changing my home page from yahoo to another one for which the favicon displays correctly, no change. I tried clearing the cache, still no luck. On my bookmarks personal toolbar folder, the same sites are set with and show the correct favicons. My about:config settings are those from Chris'page: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/Favicons Any suggestions? I use 1.1.17 version -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Synchronizing Mail??
Willard wrote: I there an easy way to synchronize the Mail and Local folders on 2 PCs?? There are many ways to do this, but the easiest I've found so far is Synback: http://www.2brightsparks.com/ I personally use an older version which was free ... but this program is a lifesaver when it comes to synchronize multiple data files between various machines. Takes a little while to master, but definitely worth the time and the money. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing SM2.01
JAS wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JAS wrote: I currently have Sm 1.1.4 on my laptop running Win XP and would like to try the SM 2 but want to keep my current SM installation. How is this done without endangering my current current profile. Thanks Just care to install the 2.0b1 into a different application directory so that you don't overwrite the 1.1.x installation (you should really upgrade that one to the upcoming 1.1.18 though, there are a number of serious known security problems with 1.1.4). At first start, 2.0b1 will offer you to migrate your profile, and it doesn't touch the old profile for that, it just copies any info it can use from the old profile and places that into the new one. So, to summarize, your current profile is never in danger with the 2.0b1 version, it copies any information from there to its own, new profile if you select to migrate. What can be in danger is the 1.1.x application installation itself, as both install in the same location by default - if you want to use them in parallel, remember to select a different location in the installer. Robert Kaiser Thanks to everyone on this, yes I do need to update the 1.1.4 but several of the extensions I have Might not work in 1.1.18. Are you talking about the C:\Documents and Settings\James Skinner\Application Data\Mozilla or the C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey ? Thanks JAS I think all your extensions in 1.1.14 will work with 1.1.18. Just be sure to choose "skip" during the installation processus when SM installer offers to check compatibility. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving login name but not p/w
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Rich Gray wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: SM2.0 will have a new form-management. Feel free to test SM2.0 beta1 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1/ (it will migrate your profile to a new profile, so won't hurt your SM1.1.17 if you install SM2 to another directory. Just start only one SM at a time or google for "-no-remote" to find out on how to run both at the same time, otherwise calling the other Seamonkey will only open a window of the currently open one) If you are running POP3 e-mail, be careful that you don't wind up with SM2 stealing SM1's e-mail. You might want to temporarily set your account(s) to Leave messages on the server for some number of days or indefinitely. That way, both versions will have a chance to get each message. I'm guessing IMAP does not present this gotcha. Good point. I use pop3. Thanks. To avoid this situation, once you feel comfortable enough with SM 2 beta, you simply have to point your mail settings to the same directory in both programs (Mail Account, Settings, Server Settings, Local Directory). Then, no need to check "leave on server". Running both SM and TB, this is what I do to avoid any errors. Just to be on the safe side, I do not run both programs at the same time. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What Anti-Spam software is best as an add-on to SeaMonkey?
John Boyle wrote: To anyone: I am aware of what an anti-spam software does, but was wanting to know what works best with SeaMonkey, NOW, and what will work best when 2.0 is released: I am aware of 2 programs , by name, but not sure how well they would work with SeaMonkey: one is Incredimail with Spam protection for $39 a year, and the other is an add-on itself to EScan, a virus protection program! I am asking this on this forum, because I would like to make sure whatever I get is compatible with SeaMonkey ,NOW and Later!? Any help would be appreciated, and, if a spam protection is being built into SeaMonkey, that would be good to know, also!??? :-\ My two cents: the best protection against spam is filtering them out at the server level, not on your machine, since downloading spam is in any case a waste of bandwidth and time. Personally, I am perfectly happy with Spamcop which is well worth the annual fee it charges (some $30 if IIRC). There are numerous other sites which do about the same. I realize this is not the question you are asking, but it is worth considering that route before deciding on any local utility. Regards -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Adblock Plus Corrupting Browser Window/Uninstall Add-Ons?
Jim J wrote: I just upgraded to SM 1.1.17 and installed Adblock Plus. It seemed to work fine until I installed a couple other add-ons. Now, ABP (I think) causes a non-interactive (can't even copy the text) error/debug message to take up the bottom third of the browser window, and the ABP button & menu entry are missing. When I re-install SM, it's fine until I again install ABP. I'd like to simply uninstall ABP and the other add-ons completely and start from scratch, but how? Thanks in advance -- Jim. I am not sure where your problem is, but I wanted to assure you that using SM 1.1.17 with ABP 0.7.5.4, I do not have any specific problem linked to APB and I guess I am not the only one! I realize this is an older version, but it does the job and if this version has limitations, they don't bother me since I am not aware of them! I am not sure where you can get this older version, ABP site does not seem to offer a choice of downloads. If needed, I can email it to you. This might be a better alternative than going to SM 2.0b1, unless you are eager to discover this new version of SM. Personally, I am perfectly happy with the present one. Hope this helps! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is there any limit on the number of e-mail messages that can be saved?
Frog wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: John wrote: I've been using SeaMonkey, and before that the Mozilla Suite and Netscape for email for over 10 years. I have my "inbox" contents sorted into numerous sub-folders. I keep most non-spam emails indefinitely for future reference. I estimate that I currently have over 30,000 messages in these folders. There are over 10,000 messages in my "sent" folder. Is there any specific limit to the number of messages I can save in this manner? Is there any way of moving older messages to a different location so they don't have to be loaded every time I start the program and still have the ability to easily search and read them when necessary? What I want to avoid is a sudden crash caused by too many messages which would cause me to lose everything. (I do backup these folders on a regular basis). Thanks! I found that Mozilla got cranky when the Inbox itself had a lot of messages in it, so I've gotten in the habit of keeping it pretty small (say a coupla hundred messages) and saving messages elsewhere (not in subfolders of Inbox, but in folders at the same level). I would like to establish a place on my computer where sent and received messages could be saved...a place where it would continue to be accessible for reading and/or reintroduction back on the internet. I'm not sure how to make this happen. I, an amateur at computer technical activities, would appreciate an elementary level blow by blow on how to accomplish this task. Thanks in advance for any helpful words sent my way on this subject. Frog E.g., Inbox Sent 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 ... Received 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 ... where "Received" contains old incoming messages. You also want to periodically compact folders in Mozilla or SeaMonkey -- messages aren't actually deleted until you compact folders. Until then, they sit there marked for deletion, invisible to you but taking up computer disk space and brainpower. As with all computer data, "if you love me, back me up." If you're keeping all that data on your computer and crossing your fingers for protection, you're begging for trouble. Personally, I keep a year's worth of emails in my main account (but not in subfolders of the Inbox, a recipe for trouble) and I keep my archives (structured exactly as my main account) in a different directory which is where my Local Folder points. When year end comes, I move the expired year's mail into Local Folder. This way, basically, my archives and current emails are segregated, but immediately accessible. I of course keep a backup of my archives and of my current mail. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Mail Client Problem
F.Misle wrote: Why is SeaMonkey Mail Client deleting the messages it downloads form the server? it fetches email, keeps 'em in the client and deletes them from server. is there any way to make the messages STAY in the server AS WELL as in the client? Yes, there is, of course: Account Settings, Server settings, Leave messages on server. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Imaginary profiles in Mozilla and SeaMonkey
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: John Doue wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Jay Garcia wrote: On 31.05.2009 18:19, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: --- Original Message --- Just upgraded from Moz 1.7.13 to SM 1.1.16, and before doing so I ran Mozilla's profile manager to clean up any extraneous entries. It prompted me to choose between my current profile and an imaginary one that AFAICT no longer exists. When I told it to delete the imaginary one, it said it had been created by "a previous version of Navigator" and could only be removed by that program (probably v. 4.5 or so!) -- but of course it was willing to delist it, so I did that. When I completed the SeaMonkey installation, the new profile manager did the same thing -- asked me to choose between a real and imaginary profile, then agreed to delist the imaginary one. I've searched and searched my computer and can't find any remnant of the imaginary profile to remove, so what gives? What do I need to clean up before the profile managers will stop "detecting" it? Thanks. Check "Profiles.ini" in the profiles directory. No such file anywhere on my computer. Could it be it is hidden and Windows does not display it? It is normally located on c:\documents and settings\..\application data\application data\mozilla\seamonkey. (with ... standing for user's name). Nope. I have Windows Explorer set to show hidden and system files. I even tried revealing hidden OS files, no go. The directory you specify does not exist. C:\...\Mozilla\ has only one subdirectory, which is the valid profile, and it contains no other files. However, there /is/ a \SeaMonkey directory under C:\Program Files\mozilla.org. My original search, described above, had "profiles.ini" as the filespec and C:\ as the location, with all subdirectories to be searched. In case it matters, this is WinXP Pro SP3, fully patched. I hope somebody comes up with a better solution, but I would suggest: 1/ save your "regular" profile directory, mail, bookmarks 2/ uninstall Seamonkey. 3/ search for and delete all directories whose names include Seamonkey, Mozilla or Netscape (in case you ever used Netscape). 4/ search for and deleted all directories which include a bookmarks.* file (except of course the backup you just made) 5/ clean your registry using a reputable cleaner (I personally use Powertools'). 6/ Reinstall SM chosing a different directory for the program and see if your problem is solved. I do not remember how Netscape and Mozilla handled profiles. It might be key to solving your problem. I hope Philippe Chee can help here. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Imaginary profiles in Mozilla and SeaMonkey
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 31.05.2009 18:19, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: --- Original Message --- Just upgraded from Moz 1.7.13 to SM 1.1.16, and before doing so I ran Mozilla's profile manager to clean up any extraneous entries. It prompted me to choose between my current profile and an imaginary one that AFAICT no longer exists. When I told it to delete the imaginary one, it said it had been created by "a previous version of Navigator" and could only be removed by that program (probably v. 4.5 or so!) -- but of course it was willing to delist it, so I did that. When I completed the SeaMonkey installation, the new profile manager did the same thing -- asked me to choose between a real and imaginary profile, then agreed to delist the imaginary one. I've searched and searched my computer and can't find any remnant of the imaginary profile to remove, so what gives? What do I need to clean up before the profile managers will stop "detecting" it? Thanks. Check "Profiles.ini" in the profiles directory. No such file anywhere on my computer. Could it be it is hidden and Windows does not display it? It is normally located on c:\documents and settings\..\application data\application data\mozilla\seamonkey. (with ... standing for user's name). -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
