Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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On 3/31/2020 1:20 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
...
I would also expect all sites delivering Flash content to modernize 
their sites before that deadline.


Let's hope so. They will probably wait until the last minute or next 
year to do that. Our coronavirus crisis isn't helping too. :(

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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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On 3/31/20 3:56 PM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:

Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?



Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.





https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4520411/adobe-flash-end-of-support



"In December 2020, Flash support will be completely removed from 
consumer versions of Firefox."


REF: 

I would expect any version of SeaMonkey released past that date to no 
longer support Flash.


I would also expect all sites delivering Flash content to modernize 
their sites before that deadline.


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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[will . winford]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> > 
> 
> Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
> that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.
> 
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> 
> 
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> if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
> Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
> Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
> the agency within the National Security Council tasked to
> provide early warnings about epidemics and pandemics.
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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4520411/adobe-flash-end-of-support
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[will . winford]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> > 
> 
> Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
> that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.
> 
> -- 
> David E. Ross
> 
> 
> Would the United States be more prepared to deal with COVID-19
> if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
> Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
> Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
> the agency within the National Security Council tasked to
> provide early warnings about epidemics and pandemics.
> 
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Understood.. But it was not 100% until Microsoft released on (September 9, 
2019) that it will pull it from IE and Edge (just rebuilt on the chromium 
platform that hate flash to say the least.. It will still kinda render SWF file 
but completely ignores CFSWF files. )
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[will . winford]

Understood.. But it was not 100% until Microsoft released on (September 9, 
2019) that it will pull it from IE and Edge (just rebuilt on the chromium 
platform that hate flash to say the least.. It will still kinda render SWF file 
but completely ignores CFSWF files. )
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[will . winford]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> > 
> 
> Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
> that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.
> 
> -- 
> David E. Ross
> 
> 
> Would the United States be more prepared to deal with COVID-19
> if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
> Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
> Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
> the agency within the National Security Council tasked to
> provide early warnings about epidemics and pandemics.
> 
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> 

Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/29/2020 9:30 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
either. Do you have any idea why?



I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.



Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does
nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing
ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the
context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only
highlights that selection.

Any ideas,

Danny




When you highlight the item by left-clicking, do not release the left
mouse button.  You should then be able to drag the item.




I have resolved the problem! I upgraded PrefBar from Version 7.0.1 to 
Version 7.1.1. I can now drag and drop items in the list and move them.


Thank you for your help,

Danny


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/29/2020 9:30 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
either. Do you have any idea why?



I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.



Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does
nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing
ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the
context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only
highlights that selection.

Any ideas,

Danny




When you highlight the item by left-clicking, do not release the left
mouse button.  You should then be able to drag the item.



I know how drag and drop works, it just does not do it. What I need is a 
resolution to why it does not work.


Thank you for your help,

Danny



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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/29/2020 9:30 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
>>>
 On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:

> David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I believe the preference variable is
>>  media.autoplay.enabled
>> If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.
>>
>> At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does 
>> seem
>> to work.
>
> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
> still be
> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There 
> are a few
> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even 
> after you
> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button 
> to
> toggle the setting.

 By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is 
 a
 video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
 checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
 video plays.
>>>
>>> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
>>> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
>>> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
>>>
>>
>> It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
>> checkboxes is easy.
>>
>> If you want my checkbox, do the following:
>>
>> 1.  Go to .
>>
>> 2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
>> the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
>> you want to download the file.
>>
>> 3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
>> in the pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
>> window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
>> pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
>> HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.
>>
>> 6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
>> list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
>> will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.
>>
>> With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
>> checkmark, it is disabled.
>>
>> After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
>> HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
>> remove the file from my Web site.
>>
>
> I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
> everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
> move up the list?
>
> What am I overlooking?
>
> Thank you,
> Danny
>

 See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
 step #3.


>>>
>>> Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
>>> it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
>>> either. Do you have any idea why?
>>>
>>
>> I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
>> tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
>> able to move it.
>>
>> Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
>> Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
>> you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
>> arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
>> you release the left mouse button.
>>
>> NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
>> vice-versa.
>>
> 
> Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does 
> nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing 
> ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the 
> context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only 
> highlights that selection.
> 
> Any ideas,
> 
> Danny
> 
> 

When you highlight the item by left-clicking, do not release the left
mouse button.  You should then be able to drag the item.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
either. Do you have any idea why?



I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.



Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does 
nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing 
ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the 
context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only 
highlights that selection.


Any ideas,

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
>
>> On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
>>
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
 I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
 If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

 At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
 to work.
>>>
>>> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
>>> still be
>>> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There 
>>> are a few
>>> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even 
>>> after you
>>> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
>>> toggle the setting.
>>
>> By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
>> video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
>> checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
>> video plays.
>
> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
>

 It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
 checkboxes is easy.

 If you want my checkbox, do the following:

 1.  Go to .

 2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
 the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
 you want to download the file.

 3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
 in the pull-down context menu.

 4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
 window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
 pull-down context menu.

 5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
 HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

 6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
 list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
 will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

 With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
 checkmark, it is disabled.

 After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
 HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
 remove the file from my Web site.

>>>
>>> I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
>>> everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
>>> move up the list?
>>>
>>> What am I overlooking?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Danny
>>>
>>
>> See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
>> step #3.
>>
>>
> 
> Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it 
> it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag 
> either. Do you have any idea why?
> 

I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it 
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag 
either. Do you have any idea why?

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
>>>
 On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:

> David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I believe the preference variable is
>>  media.autoplay.enabled
>> If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.
>>
>> At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
>> to work.
>
> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
> still be
> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are 
> a few
> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after 
> you
> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
> toggle the setting.

 By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
 video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
 checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
 video plays.
>>>
>>> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
>>> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
>>> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
>>>
>>
>> It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
>> checkboxes is easy.
>>
>> If you want my checkbox, do the following:
>>
>> 1.  Go to .
>>
>> 2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
>> the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
>> you want to download the file.
>>
>> 3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
>> in the pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
>> window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
>> pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
>> HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.
>>
>> 6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
>> list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
>> will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.
>>
>> With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
>> checkmark, it is disabled.
>>
>> After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
>> HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
>> remove the file from my Web site.
>>
> 
> I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and 
> everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I 
> move up the list?
> 
> What am I overlooking?
> 
> Thank you,
> Danny
> 

See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.


-- 
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Autoplay on/off is in the preferences of 2.53.1 b1 preferences (was: Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems)

[Paul Bergsagel]

If you are running SeaMonkey 2.53.1 b1 you can easily turn autoplay 
using the preferences.  Open Preferences and click on Appearance->Media 
and uncheck the box "Enable Autoplay of HTML5 media content".


alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There 
are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even 
after you

click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?




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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and 
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I 
move up the list?


What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny




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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[alexyu]

Hi, David E. Ross! Thanks for writing, on 27 Feb 20 02:00:


On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:


David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.


It's been a long time since I changed anything in my PrefBar, but I do 
know about its possibilities; by the way you described it, I didn't know 
if this was a 'PrefBar standard option' which I had neglected to add, or 
one added later (in this case, I now know, by yourself).


Thanks also for your generous offer:


If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.


As I said, it's been years since I last customized PrefBar, so I didn't 
even remember where my 'PrefBar addons' were stored.  Turns out I had a 
folder named "PrefBar Buttons"... with none for video, as was to be 
expected.



3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.


I've added your "HTML5_media.btn"; I suppose none of the other files in 
your "(http://www.rossde.com/)test" folder have anything to do with 
this, so I left them alone; thanks once more.


After a 'trip down memory lane', I remembered that I do have an 
installed extension for this, but it's been ages since I last saw it in 
use; it's "YouTube Flash Video Player" 54.0.1, from Baris Derin; It 
offers 2 options, "HTML5 Video Player" & "Flash Video Player", but I 
don't remember if there's some way to toggle them without opening the 
addon's Options, which makes it rather inconvenient (and is probably why 
I forgot about it); as far as I can recall, during a phase, some time 
ago, I did try both options and, not noticing any significant change, 
dropped the matter.


My "media.autoplay.enabled" Pref is set to 'false', but the addon option 
is set to "HTML5 Video Player", so I don't know what SM makes of that; 
possibly, the Pref has precedence, which might explain why I didn't 
notice any difference when switching the options...


I currently use the "Video Downloader Professional" 1.97.37.1 extension 
(for video downloads, natch, but it doesn't always work for YouTube); 
previously, I used "Video Downloader Helper", but some time ago switched 
to the current one.  However, when it can't DL a video, good old "Clip 
Grab" usually saves the day.


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
> 
>> On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
>>
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
 I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
 If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

 At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
 to work.
>>>
>>> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still 
>>> be
>>> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a 
>>> few
>>> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after 
>>> you
>>> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
>>> toggle the setting.
>>
>> By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
>> video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
>> checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
>> video plays.
> 
> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
> 

It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.

-- 
David E. Ross


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represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods.  Real
meat is natural.  Beyond Meat is definitely not.  No,
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[EE]

alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have that 
option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at the time of 
installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


I have an extension called Autoplay Toggle which provides me with a toolbar 
button to toggle autoplay.  It is still on the Thunderbird addons site.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/autoplay-toggle-nonrestartless

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[alexyu]

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


--
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s) alexyu   



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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> I believe the preference variable is
>>  media.autoplay.enabled
>> If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.
>>
>> At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
>> to work.
> 
> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still 
> be 
> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a 
> few 
> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you 
> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to 
> toggle the setting.
> 

By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.

With media.autoplay.enabled set to false, I just now loaded a YouTube
Web page with Bizet's L'Arlésienne Suites No. 1 & No. 2.  There was no
button to start the video.  I then changed media.autoplay.enabled to
true, but there still was no way to play the video.  The video started
after I reloaded the Web page; at that point, buttons did appear.

-- 
David E. Ross


Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
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meat is natural.  Beyond Meat is definitely not.  No,
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be 
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few 
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you 
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to 
toggle the setting.


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[NFN Smith]

Danny Kile wrote:


Issue was resolved by restoring a backup copy of my user profile file. I 
have no idea why this all started with an upgrade to Adobe Flash Player.


Thank you for those that replied,



Glad to see that it's working again.

Going one step further, I think chances are pretty high that you don't 
need Flash at all, and it's likely to be safe to uninstall entirely.


I removed Flash a couple of years ago, and I've only seen a couple of 
sites that complain about Flash not being available, and they're not 
ones that I care about delivering video content.  I've had no problems 
at all with YouTube and not having Flash installed.


With proprietary video players, I've found that it's generally best to 
uninstall everything, unless you know that you have specific need for 
one. If you encounter a site that requires a specific player, they'll be 
quick to let you know (and generally offer you a link for a download). 
But until you know you need a specific player, you don't need it.


If the only reason that you have Flash is for YouTube, I suggest that 
you uninstall it.  One less potential security issue, and one less thing 
that you have to maintain with timely updates.


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


Issue was resolved by restoring a backup copy of my user profile file. I 
have no idea why this all started with an upgrade to Adobe Flash Player.


Thank you for those that replied,

Danny
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 11:29 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


OK. Yeah, I have both of those. I use PrefBar to toggle between. I hope 
I can do the same in v2.53 and newer versions.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/24/2020 10:07 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 2/24/2020 9:58 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
>> Danny Kile wrote:
>>> I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is
>>>
>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0
>>>
>>> I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
>>> Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
>>> broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.
>>>
>>> When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
>>> new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
>>> knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.
>>>
>>> It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
>>> you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of 
>>> the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to 
>>> are gray.
>>>
>>> I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
>>> What course of action do I need to take here?
>>>
>>> Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
>>> same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
>>> over.
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.
>>>
>>> Danny,
>>
>> If it were me I would try some other UA.
>> If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
>> If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
>> I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.
> 
> I don't see media.html5video.blocked in my SM v2.49.5's about:config list.
> 

I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Ant wrote:

On 2/24/2020 9:58 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All 
of the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they 
to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


If it were me I would try some other UA.
If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.


I don't see media.html5video.blocked in my SM v2.49.5's about:config list.


Oh!  That must have been one of the changes between 2.49.3 and .5
Thanks for the heads up.  Either that or I added it.
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 9:58 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of 
the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to 
are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


If it were me I would try some other UA.
If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.


I don't see media.html5video.blocked in my SM v2.49.5's about:config list.
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 8:31 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

 > Anyways, my updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others 
use HTML5 for videos.



Where are the setting to to disable Flash and the use HTML5 instead?


Hmm, I don't think YouTube uses Flash anymore. Can you try a brand new 
SeaMonkey profile (Profile Manager shortcut in W7's Start Menu) and see 
if you still have this problem?

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


If it were me I would try some other UA.
If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

Ant wrote:
I have a similar setup, but noticed your SM's UA is different compared 
to my "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5). Why is your Firefox at v69 and not its 
default v52 and Windows NT6.1? Did you change its UA? Anyways, my 
updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others use HTML5 for 
videos. I rarely use Flash these days unless the web sites require it.



On 2/24/2020 6:59 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of 
the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to 
are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

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I change my UA for Firefox/52.0.


> Anyways, my updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others 
use HTML5 for videos.



Where are the setting to to disable Flash and the use HTML5 instead?


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

I have a similar setup, but noticed your SM's UA is different compared 
to my "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5). Why is your Firefox at v69 and not its 
default v52 and Windows NT6.1? Did you change its UA? Anyways, my 
updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others use HTML5 for 
videos. I rarely use Flash these days unless the web sites require it.



On 2/24/2020 6:59 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

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Re: Flash player crashes

[Ed Mullen]

Jim Dell wrote:

Anybody experiencing constant crashes of Adobe's Flash Player?

Using SeaMonkey 2.16.2

Jim


Yes.  There are a couple of threads here.  See "Plugin sandboxing"

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Re: flash player .....

[jim]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:31:17 +0200, dirk  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2012 17:12, dirk told the world:
>>
>>> dowahavetodowawatta?? Sorry, I'm just a simple user and I have no idea
>>> what this is.
>>>
>>> I am using real player basically for downloading flash video's from
>>> internet.
>>>
>>> If anyone knows of a good alternative for that, please tell .
>>>
>>> Could use one to download Silverlight video's as well
>>
>> There's a lot of extensions available to do exactly that. Look at
>> addons.mozilla.org, in the section "Photos and Media." There ought to be
>> something that fits your needs.
>>
>>
>
>
>found one, thanks! However, only for FLASH video's, found nothing for 
>Silverlight ..
>
>DJ

I have been wanting to re-install Realplayer for it's downloading
capabilities.  I think it is the best one available for that particular
function.  IIRC, you can be watching and simply start downloading at any
point, and end the download at any point and get a playable file.
...and then i remember why i uninstalled Realplayer the last time -- it is
too aggressive and wants to grab everything.  Getting a handle on that is
time-consuming.

I used to snag videos (and mp3s) out of cache, but both Firefox and
Seamonkey have changed their caching methodology so that is no longer
possible -- or maybe it is just no longer as easy.

Perhaps all of your Flash 11.3 problems are fixed now.  After several days
of trying various things, I went back to Flash 10.3.  I started on the
main Flash forum but by following links soon ended up at
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/flash-113-crashes

Which says it is for firefox but seems to apply to all mozilla platforms.
 
If the last 3 digits of 11.3.300.262 are the build number, Flash said they
thought they had corrected the problems introduced with build 257 with
build 262  -- and perhaps they did for many platforms, but not for my XP.

(Since downgrading to 10.3 I have yet for anything to tell me that i need
to update Flash.  And there is this note at the site i gave:  
"Important: If you install Flash 10.3, you will get a player with all
known security patches applied but without all of the features of Flash
11.2. If you install Flash 11.2, your player might not have all of the
known security updates applied.")

Once again, if your 11.3 is now running fine, that's great.

jim

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Re: flash player .....

[dirk]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2012 17:12, dirk told the world:


dowahavetodowawatta?? Sorry, I'm just a simple user and I have no idea
what this is.

I am using real player basically for downloading flash video's from
internet.

If anyone knows of a good alternative for that, please tell .

Could use one to download Silverlight video's as well


There's a lot of extensions available to do exactly that. Look at
addons.mozilla.org, in the section "Photos and Media." There ought to be
something that fits your needs.





found one, thanks! However, only for FLASH video's, found nothing for 
Silverlight ..


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Re: flash player .....

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2012 14:05, Ken Rudolph told the world:

> Honestly, I don't know.  I also have some old video files which only 
> seem to play on Real Player.  If I could be assured that Real Player 
> would not automatically install any of its .dll's  into SeaMonkey as 
> plugins, I would re-install Real Player.  In the meantime, I don't want 
> to risk it.  I'll leave that for a later time (or some instructions on 
> how to remove any unwanted plug-ins that automatically install into SM.)
> 
> I wonder if Real Player knows of its compatibility problem with Flash in 
> SeaMonkey (and for that matter with Firefox and I.E., if my experience 
> is shared by others).

Well, there's always RealAlternative...

http://www.free-codecs.com/real_alternative_download.htm

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Re: flash player .....

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2012 17:12, dirk told the world:

> dowahavetodowawatta?? Sorry, I'm just a simple user and I have no idea 
> what this is.
> 
> I am using real player basically for downloading flash video's from 
> internet.
> 
> If anyone knows of a good alternative for that, please tell .
> 
> Could use one to download Silverlight video's as well

There's a lot of extensions available to do exactly that. Look at
addons.mozilla.org, in the section "Photos and Media." There ought to be
something that fits your needs.


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Re: flash player .....

[NoOp]

On 06/24/2012 10:31 AM, Bernd Adda wrote:
...
> 
> I am working with openSUSE-12.1
> - the Distri has a Flashplayer file - install with Yast controlcenter
> You will find in /usr/lib/browser-plugins ->  libflashplayer.so
> Copy this file into seamonkey and all is fine
> 
> adda

Adobe no longer support linux:


"NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux
as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security
backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux."

So you won't be getting any new version (as the Windows version
discussed in this thread), you will only be getting security backports.

Nor does RealPlayer/Helix linux any longer:



RealPlayer for Linux has been discontinued and is no longer supported.
Archived copies are available for download in the Helix community.


Helix hasn't been updated since 2008.


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Re: flash player .....

[NoOp]

On 06/23/2012 12:29 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:
> Evan Davidson wrote:
>> dirk wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall,
>>> no cure
>>>
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>> Some sites display this message:
>>>
>>> "Error loading or parsing config file. Please check 'version'
>>> attribute in  node. version must be 1.1."
>>>
>>> Others don't tell me anything, just no play.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please..
>>
>> See:
>> news://news.mozilla.org:119/9rudnamyjifznxnsnz2dnuvz_vcdn...@mozilla.org
>>
> Also, after making sure that your installed Flash version is the Mozilla 
> fix:  Flash 11.3.300.262, uninstall Real Player through the Windows 
> Control Panel (if you're running SM in Windows).  That seems to work for 
> most people if they have any Real Player dlls in their plugins.
> 





 Launch RealPlayer

  Click the RealPlayer icon in the upper left corner of the window and
choose Preferences.

  Choose Download & Recording from the left hand panel

  Uncheck "Enable Web Download & Recording for these installed browsers"

  Click OK and close RealPlayer

  Restart Firefox





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Re: flash player .....

[dirk]

Bernd Adda wrote:

Ken Rudolph schrieb:

dirk wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

dirk wrote:

Hi,

I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall,
no cure

Anyone?



I am working with openSUSE-12.1
- the Distri has a Flashplayer file - install with Yast controlcenter
You will find in /usr/lib/browser-plugins ->  libflashplayer.so
Copy this file into seamonkey and all is fine

adda





dowahavetodowawatta?? Sorry, I'm just a simple user and I have no idea 
what this is.


I am using real player basically for downloading flash video's from 
internet.


If anyone knows of a good alternative for that, please tell .

Could use one to download Silverlight video's as well

dj
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Re: flash player .....

[Bernd Adda]

Ken Rudolph schrieb:
> dirk wrote:
>> Ken Rudolph wrote:
>>> Evan Davidson wrote:
 dirk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall,
> no cure
>
> Anyone?
>

I am working with openSUSE-12.1
- the Distri has a Flashplayer file - install with Yast controlcenter
You will find in /usr/lib/browser-plugins ->  libflashplayer.so
Copy this file into seamonkey and all is fine

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Re: flash player .....

[Ken Rudolph]

dirk wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

dirk wrote:

Hi,

I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall,
no cure

Anyone?

Some sites display this message:

"Error loading or parsing config file. Please check 'version'
attribute in  node. version must be 1.1."

Others don't tell me anything, just no play.


Please..


See:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/9rudnamyjifznxnsnz2dnuvz_vcdn...@mozilla.org


Also, after making sure that your installed Flash version is the Mozilla
fix:  Flash 11.3.300.262, uninstall Real Player through the Windows
Control Panel (if you'r

e running SM in Windows).  That seems to work for

most people if they have any Real Player dlls in their plugins.



Checked that version OK, de-installed Real Player, and hey presto, flash
works, but what now? I want to use Real player as well??!

Re-install Real Player?


Honestly, I don't know.  I also have some old video files which only 
seem to play on Real Player.  If I could be assured that Real Player 
would not automatically install any of its .dll's  into SeaMonkey as 
plugins, I would re-install Real Player.  In the meantime, I don't want 
to risk it.  I'll leave that for a later time (or some instructions on 
how to remove any unwanted plug-ins that automatically install into SM.)


I wonder if Real Player knows of its compatibility problem with Flash in 
SeaMonkey (and for that matter with Firefox and I.E., if my experience 
is shared by others).


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Re: flash player .....

[dirk]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

dirk wrote:

Hi,

I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall,
no cure

Anyone?

Some sites display this message:

"Error loading or parsing config file. Please check 'version'
attribute in  node. version must be 1.1."

Others don't tell me anything, just no play.


Please..


See:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/9rudnamyjifznxnsnz2dnuvz_vcdn...@mozilla.org


Also, after making sure that your installed Flash version is the Mozilla
fix:  Flash 11.3.300.262, uninstall Real Player through the Windows
Control Panel (if you're running SM in Windows).  That seems to work for
most people if they have any Real Player dlls in their plugins.



Checked that version OK, de-installed Real Player, and hey presto, flash 
works, but what now? I want to use Real player as well??!


Re-install Real Player?

DJ


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Re: flash player .....

[Ken Rudolph]

Evan Davidson wrote:

dirk wrote:

Hi,

I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall,
no cure

Anyone?

Some sites display this message:

"Error loading or parsing config file. Please check 'version'
attribute in  node. version must be 1.1."

Others don't tell me anything, just no play.


Please..


See:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/9rudnamyjifznxnsnz2dnuvz_vcdn...@mozilla.org

Also, after making sure that your installed Flash version is the Mozilla 
fix:  Flash 11.3.300.262, uninstall Real Player through the Windows 
Control Panel (if you're running SM in Windows).  That seems to work for 
most people if they have any Real Player dlls in their plugins.


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Re: flash player .....

[Evan Davidson]

dirk wrote:

Hi,

I can't get flash player to work in Seamonkey, uninstall, reinstall, no 
cure


Anyone?

Some sites display this message:

"Error loading or parsing config file. Please check 'version' attribute 
in  node. version must be 1.1."


Others don't tell me anything, just no play.


Please..


See: 
news://news.mozilla.org:119/9rudnamyjifznxnsnz2dnuvz_vcdn...@mozilla.org


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Re: Flash Player for Linux will only be available via Google Chrome's Pepper API

[NoOp]

On 02/22/2012 03:13 AM, Kertesz Laszlo wrote:
> Hello
> 
> On the Adobe blog there an interesting post:
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html
>
>  Quote:
> 
> For Flash Player releases after 11.2, the Flash Player browser plugin
> for Linux will only be available via the “Pepper” API as part of the
> Google Chrome browser distribution and will no longer be available as
> a direct download from Adobe. Adobe will continue to provide security
> updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for
> five years from its release.
> 
> How will Seamonkey handle this situation? Five years on Flash 11.2
> doesnt sound promising...
> 

I'm also interested in a response. However, I think it's time for Linux
to abandon *all* things Adobe...


Adobe abandons Linux

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols | February 22, 2012, 10:41am PST

Summary: Adobe has announced its future plans for Flash and AIR and
Linux isn’t part of them. Flash will still, however, be available to
Linux desktop users who use Google’s Chrome Web browser.


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Re: Flash Player for Linux will only be available via Google Chrome's Pepper API

[Ant]

On 2/22/2012 5:32 AM PT, MCBastos typed:


So, the lack of Flash 12 (or whatever it's going to be called
eventually) probably won't make much of a difference for users: most
sites should run fine with Flash 11.2, since they are older
implementations. And adobe IS committing to do security updates for
Flash 11.2.


Does Adobe still commit updates for older Flash like v10?
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Re: Flash Player for Linux will only be available via Google Chrome's Pepper API

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 22/02/2012 09:13, Kertesz Laszlo told the world:
> Hello
> 
> On the Adobe blog there an interesting post:
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html
> 
> Quote:
> 
> For Flash Player releases after 11.2, the Flash Player browser plugin for 
> Linux will only be available via the “Pepper” API as part of the Google 
> Chrome browser distribution and will no longer be available as a direct 
> download from Adobe. Adobe will continue to provide security updates to 
> non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years from 
> its release.
> 
> How will Seamonkey handle this situation? Five years on Flash 11.2 doesnt 
> sound promising...
> 

Well, even Adobe admits that Flash is a dying technology -- Apple never
allowed it on the iOS family, it was recently discontinued in most
mobile devices... new sites are avoiding Flash like the plague because
it won't run in an iPad. For things like video, sites are offering HTML5
alternatives.

So, the lack of Flash 12 (or whatever it's going to be called
eventually) probably won't make much of a difference for users: most
sites should run fine with Flash 11.2, since they are older
implementations. And adobe IS committing to do security updates for
Flash 11.2.

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Re: flash player problems using 64-bit linux

[Charles E Campbell Jr]

Paul Hartman wrote:

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Charles E Campbell
Jr wrote:
  

Paul Hartman wrote:


On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Charles E Campbell
Jr wrote:

  

Hello!

I've got a 64-bit linux box running Fedora Core 11; and I've downloaded
Adobe's "alpha" 64-bit linux flash player.  It works with Firefox;
Seamonkey, however, immediately crashes.  For a test site I use
http://www.wtopnews.com .  Now, naturally I'd prefer it if FC-11 + 64-bit
+
Seamonkey 1.1.16 + libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so worked, but
I
definitely think Seamonkey should try hard not to crash.


  

I've upgraded seamonkey to 1.1.17 and I've placed libflashplayer.so
(10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64) in /usr/local/seamonkey/plugins.  Unfortunately,
seamonkey still crashes as soon as I go to http://www.wtopnews.com/

I just tried that website and it worked fine... If you open Seamonkey
and type "about:plugins" into the address bar, does it show "Shockwave
Flash" in the list? (Or anything noticeably strange included or
missing in the list.)

Hello:

I have relatively little:

application/x-shockwave-flash: Shockwave Flash (libflashplayer.so)
application/futuresplash : FutureSplash player (Shockwave Flash 
10.0 r32)

default plugin  : libnullplugin.so

In /usr/local/seamonkey/plugins/libflashplayer.so I have a symlink to 
/usr/lib/flash-plugin/libflashplayer.so .


When I got libflashplayer it came in a tarball, 
libflashpllibflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar .  The tarball 
only had the one item (libflashplayer.so) so I used 
flash-plugin-10.0.32.18-release.i386.rpm to get the rest (homecleanup, 
LICENSE, README, and setup).  Sad to say, seamonkey still crashes (== 
terminates abruptly, no messages).


Thank you for helping,
Chip Campbell

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Re: flash player problems using 64-bit linux

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Charles E Campbell
Jr wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Charles E Campbell
>> Jr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I've got a 64-bit linux box running Fedora Core 11; and I've downloaded
>>> Adobe's "alpha" 64-bit linux flash player.  It works with Firefox;
>>> Seamonkey, however, immediately crashes.  For a test site I use
>>> http://www.wtopnews.com .  Now, naturally I'd prefer it if FC-11 + 64-bit
>>> +
>>> Seamonkey 1.1.16 + libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so worked, but
>>> I
>>> definitely think Seamonkey should try hard not to crash.
>>>
>>
>> I'm using 64-bit Seamonkey 1.1.17 and 64-bit Adobe Flash player
>> 10.0.32.18 on Gentoo Linux with no problems. In fact it is completely
>> stable, unlike using 32-bit with nspluginwrapper which was always
>> having problems.
>>
>> If you run Seamonkey from console, are there any errors printed when it
>> crashes?
>>
>
> I've upgraded seamonkey to 1.1.17 and I've placed libflashplayer.so
> (10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64) in /usr/local/seamonkey/plugins.  Unfortunately,
> seamonkey still crashes as soon as I go to http://www.wtopnews.com/ (I can
> see their website momentarily, and then seamonkey terminates).  I normally
> start seamonkey via an icon, but when I started it from a gnome terminal, it
> still crashes, but no message.  I'm a bit puzzled with Fedora Core 11 -- I
> can't login as root (although I can su to root easily enough).   BTW, the
> Firefox I tried was 3.5.2 .

I just tried that website and it worked fine... If you open Seamonkey
and type "about:plugins" into the address bar, does it show "Shockwave
Flash" in the list? (Or anything noticeably strange included or
missing in the list.) These are the plug-ins I have on my list:

VLC Multimedia Plug-in
File name: libvlcplugin.so
DjVuLibre-3.5.21
File name: nsdejavu.so
Shockwave Flash
File name: libflashplayer.so
Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16
File name: libnpjp2.so
DivX Browser Plug-In
File name: gecko-mediaplayer-dvx.so
QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5
File name: gecko-mediaplayer-qt.so
RealPlayer 9
File name: gecko-mediaplayer-rm.so
Windows Media Player Plug-in
File name: gecko-mediaplayer-wmp.so
gecko-mediaplayer 0.9.5
File name: gecko-mediaplayer.so
Silverlight Plug-In
File name: libmoonloader.so
Default Plugin
File name: libnullplugin.so
Demo Print Plugin for unix/linux
File name: libunixprintplugin.so


On my system I have libflashplayer.so and a symlink:
/opt/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libflashplayer.so (symlink to above)

My Seamonkey useragent is:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090624
MultiZilla/1.8.3.5i SeaMonkey/1.1.17 Mnenhy/0.7.6.0

(MultiZilla and Mnenhy are add-ons)
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Re: flash player problems using 64-bit linux

[Charles E Campbell Jr]

Paul Hartman wrote:

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Charles E Campbell
Jr wrote:
  

Hello!

I've got a 64-bit linux box running Fedora Core 11; and I've downloaded
Adobe's "alpha" 64-bit linux flash player.  It works with Firefox;
Seamonkey, however, immediately crashes.  For a test site I use
http://www.wtopnews.com .  Now, naturally I'd prefer it if FC-11 + 64-bit +
Seamonkey 1.1.16 + libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so worked, but I
definitely think Seamonkey should try hard not to crash.



I'm using 64-bit Seamonkey 1.1.17 and 64-bit Adobe Flash player
10.0.32.18 on Gentoo Linux with no problems. In fact it is completely
stable, unlike using 32-bit with nspluginwrapper which was always
having problems.

If you run Seamonkey from console, are there any errors printed when it crashes?
  
I've upgraded seamonkey to 1.1.17 and I've placed libflashplayer.so 
(10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64) in /usr/local/seamonkey/plugins.  
Unfortunately, seamonkey still crashes as soon as I go to 
http://www.wtopnews.com/ (I can see their website momentarily, and then 
seamonkey terminates).  I normally start seamonkey via an icon, but when 
I started it from a gnome terminal, it still crashes, but no message.  
I'm a bit puzzled with Fedora Core 11 -- I can't login as root (although 
I can su to root easily enough).   BTW, the Firefox I tried was 3.5.2 .


Thank you for your reply,
Chip Campbell

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Re: flash player problems using 64-bit linux

[Paul Hartman]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Charles E Campbell
Jr wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I've got a 64-bit linux box running Fedora Core 11; and I've downloaded
> Adobe's "alpha" 64-bit linux flash player.  It works with Firefox;
> Seamonkey, however, immediately crashes.  For a test site I use
> http://www.wtopnews.com .  Now, naturally I'd prefer it if FC-11 + 64-bit +
> Seamonkey 1.1.16 + libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so worked, but I
> definitely think Seamonkey should try hard not to crash.

I'm using 64-bit Seamonkey 1.1.17 and 64-bit Adobe Flash player
10.0.32.18 on Gentoo Linux with no problems. In fact it is completely
stable, unlike using 32-bit with nspluginwrapper which was always
having problems.

If you run Seamonkey from console, are there any errors printed when it crashes?
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Re: flash player problems using 64-bit linux

[NoOp]

On 08/15/2009 12:18 PM, Charles E Campbell Jr wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I've got a 64-bit linux box running Fedora Core 11; and I've downloaded 
> Adobe's "alpha" 64-bit linux flash player.  It works with Firefox; 
> Seamonkey, however, immediately crashes.  For a test site I use 
> http://www.wtopnews.com .  Now, naturally I'd prefer it if FC-11 + 
> 64-bit + Seamonkey 1.1.16 + libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so 
> worked, but I definitely think Seamonkey should try hard not to crash.

Why?

Points/questions:

1. 1.1.16 has security issues that are fixed in 1.1.17:

Any reason you are still on 1.1.16?

2. The only development work being performed on 1.1.x is security
related fixes. I highly doubt that you'll get anyone to look at a 1.1.16
issue with an alpha 64-bit linux flash player. You can of course file a
bug, but my _guess_ is that it will be ignored unless it's a security
issue. I suggest that you give 2.0b1 a try and see if you still
experience the same issue. See:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.0b1
Certainly if you a willing to try an alpha flash player you'd be willing
to try a beta SeaMonkey?

3. You didn't mention which version of Firefox you tried this with. What
version of Fx are you using?





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Re: flash player

[Jens Hatlak]

Giacomo wrote:

The problem was the package manager (I'm using linux) wasn't
installing the plugin in the right place!


I think it was. You were talking about a .deb so I guess you're using 
either Debian or Ubuntu. Both install all distribution-packaged plugins 
for Mozilla-based applications to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. 
Distribution-packaged Mozilla-based applications are modified in such a 
way that they check this location. Standard installations like the 
official SeaMonkey archives however do not check that location by 
default, you have to tell them by setting MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH, e.g. by 
adding this to your .profile:


export MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins

Note: The above is only necessary for current stable Mozilla-based 
applications. SeaMonkey 2, Firefox 3.5 and Thunderbird 3 will check the 
above location themselves (Bug 440506).


HTH

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Re: flash player

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/18/2009 9:22 AM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:


close SM, then hunt around your hard drive for a file 
called:


NPSWF32.dll

once found, copy it to the plugin directory of the SM 
program directory




As reported many times in the past, this is not necessary.  SeaMonkey
can use various plugins that are not in the SeaMonkey plugins directory.
 In my setup, Flash, Java, and Micro$oft's Media Player all work just
fine while their plugins remain in their non-SeaMonkey directories.


that might be true for you, but not for others

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Re: flash player

[Giacomo]

I finally made it!
The problem was the package manager (I'm using linux) wasn't
installing the plugin in the right place!

So I uninstalled  the previous installations and downloaded the tar.gz
package instead of the .deb. I just had to run the installation
program in the shell and manualy type the directory where SM is
installed.

Now my question is how come the plugin doesn't install in the right
place? I just followed the instructions from the adobe site and it
didn't work!
Do you think this should be reported to the site or it's just my
computer's fault?

2009/4/18 David E. Ross :
> On 4/18/2009 9:22 AM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Giacomo wrote:
>>> SM keeps telling I need to install flash player plugin to view flash
>>> videos, thus I have already installed it.
>>>
>>> I havo no problems with flash videos on firefox.
>>>
>>> Any help?
>>
>> close SM, then hunt around your hard drive for a file
>> called:
>>
>> NPSWF32.dll
>>
>> once found, copy it to the plugin directory of the SM
>> program directory
>>
>
> As reported many times in the past, this is not necessary.  SeaMonkey
> can use various plugins that are not in the SeaMonkey plugins directory.
>  In my setup, Flash, Java, and Micro$oft's Media Player all work just
> fine while their plugins remain in their non-SeaMonkey directories.
>
> When SeaMonkey reports that Flash is not installed, it's actually the
> Web site making that report.  The server is sniffing for Firefox, not
> Gecko.  No amount of moving the Flash plugin will correct this invalid
> sniffing.  Only changing the UA string (e.g., via PrefBar or User Agent
> Switcher) will correct this until the Web site owner fixes the way the
> server sniffs or (best) creates a Web site that doesn't need sniffing.
>
> --
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> 
>
> Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
> extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
> Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
> more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: flash player

[David E. Ross]

On 4/18/2009 9:22 AM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Giacomo wrote:
>> SM keeps telling I need to install flash player plugin to view flash
>> videos, thus I have already installed it.
>>
>> I havo no problems with flash videos on firefox.
>>
>> Any help?
> 
> close SM, then hunt around your hard drive for a file 
> called:
> 
> NPSWF32.dll
> 
> once found, copy it to the plugin directory of the SM 
> program directory
> 

As reported many times in the past, this is not necessary.  SeaMonkey
can use various plugins that are not in the SeaMonkey plugins directory.
 In my setup, Flash, Java, and Micro$oft's Media Player all work just
fine while their plugins remain in their non-SeaMonkey directories.

When SeaMonkey reports that Flash is not installed, it's actually the
Web site making that report.  The server is sniffing for Firefox, not
Gecko.  No amount of moving the Flash plugin will correct this invalid
sniffing.  Only changing the UA string (e.g., via PrefBar or User Agent
Switcher) will correct this until the Web site owner fixes the way the
server sniffs or (best) creates a Web site that doesn't need sniffing.

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Re: flash player

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Giacomo wrote:

SM keeps telling I need to install flash player plugin to view flash
videos, thus I have already installed it.

I havo no problems with flash videos on firefox.

Any help?


close SM, then hunt around your hard drive for a file 
called:


NPSWF32.dll

once found, copy it to the plugin directory of the SM 
program directory


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Re: flash player

[David E. Ross]

On 4/18/2009 7:10 AM, Giacomo wrote:
> SM keeps telling I need to install flash player plugin to view flash
> videos, thus I have already installed it.
> 
> I havo no problems with flash videos on firefox.
> 
> Any help?

This problem is usually caused by the Web site and not anything on your
computer.  This often happens when the Web server is "sniffing" for what
kind of browser you are using.  It sniffs for "Firefox", which is wrong.
 It should sniff for "Gecko".  (Often, however, sniffing cannot be
justified at all.)

To compensate, install either the PrefBar extension or the User Agent
Switcher.  Either of them can be used to make a Web server think you are
using Firefox or even IE when you are actually using SeaMonkey.  This is
called "spoofing".

If spoofing resolves your problem, however, you should attempt to
contact the owner of the Web site and inform him or her of the problem.
 If it's a business site, a postal letter to the CEO can be effective.

If spoofing resolves your problem, you should also file a Mozilla bug
report.  Go to the Web site.  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Help >
Report Broken Web Site].

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