[biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives

2002-12-18 Thread Darren
Martin There is a small Co-operative called Catalyst that specialise in small Co-operative creation. Their fees were very reasonable when I was looking into things (this was some years ago). I think they are based in Brighton now. They are connected to the Radical Routes secondary

[biofuels-biz] AAA Accused of Hiding Political Agenda

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
EMS Update - Dec. 17, 2002 http://www.ems.org/ AAA Accused of Hiding Political Agenda The same AAA auto club that provides roadside assistance has a hidden political agenda that includes lobbying against public transportation and the Clean Air Act. Critics of AAA are promoting a new auto club

[biofuels-biz] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19100 s: Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program BRAZIL: December 17, 2002 RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - Brazil's new agriculture minister Roberto Rodrigues on Monday expressed strong support for a relaunch of the national sugar

[biofuels-biz] Resource Guide for Living Economies

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.yesmagazine.org/23livingeconomy/resourceseconomies.html Resource Guide for Living Economies Living Economies ~ Fall 2002 Resources for Living Economies by Victor Bremson Erin Cusick support community Eco-Trust of Portland, Oregon, supports sustainable economic development in

[biofuels-biz] The Never-Ending Oil Spill

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14771 The Never-Ending Oil Spill By Maria Tomchick, AlterNet December 16, 2002 Western Europe's worst environmental disaster is unfolding at this very moment, but it's receiving little coverage here in the U.S - even though a similar disaster could

[biofuels-biz] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19118 Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel AUSTRALIA: December 18, 2002 CANBERRA - The Australian government said on Tuesday that evidence about mixing ethanol in petrol was inconclusive, putting aside any decision on whether to

Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 434

2002-12-18 Thread Chuck Ranum
Please, when replying to messages, clip the tail off. It takes many extra minutes to scroll through the same message 5-6 times to read one sentence replies. Chuck Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX

[biofuels-biz] Re: ethanol racing story

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
The conclusion came out this week: http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=466 With evworld.com the trick is if you want the whole installment and not the continue button and don't mind the small print, then hit the printer friendly version

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, sharp rise in oil prices this year and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol. I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:33:38 +0900, you wrote: http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19118 Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel AUSTRALIA: December 18, 2002 CANBERRA - The Australian government said on Tuesday that evidence about mixing ethanol in petrol was

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
WOW!! That's news to me. Where does BD cost around $1.50? I pay $2.65/gallon (and believe me, that hurts). I know you're going to tell me to start brewing my own--and you're right. But I am curious if you have info on regional pricing for biodiesel. Even if one brews one's own, one should

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-18 Thread Appal Energy
Both time and money are commodities. One is almost always in shorter supply than the other. - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel]

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Sam Jai-In
Hi All, I think the Minister is referring to the Flexible Fuel Vehicles, capable of sensing ethanol content in the fuel tank and adjust the spark timing accordingly. Brazil and Germany also entered into CDM agreement to promote the use of fuel ethanol. Samai --- murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[biofuels-biz] why are mainstream environmental organizations lukewarm on BioDiesel?

2002-12-18 Thread Andrew Hoppin
(cross-posted with the Biodiesel list) Has anyone taken a comprehensive look at why mainstream environmental groups are lukewarm at best on BD, and written it up? If so, could you please provide a link? Thanks! The main concerns that I've heard recently from that community are: 1) potential

Re: [biofuels-biz] why are mainstream environmental organizations lukewarm on BioDiesel?

2002-12-18 Thread Hakan Falk
First we have to establish the quite astonishing difference between US and EU. If you go to the EU commission sites you will find a strong support for BD and BD blends. At 06:50 PM 12/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: (cross-posted with the Biodiesel list) Has anyone taken a comprehensive look at why

[biofuels-biz] City of Oakland holding a meeting aimed supporting local commercial biodiesel production

2002-12-18 Thread Kenneth Kron
Just thought I'd update the list. I've been working with with the sustainable development person in the planning department in Oakland, Carol Misseldine. Oakland is starting to understand what biodiesel is and is turning the beauracracy around to support it. No date for the meeting yet,

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:33:38 +0900, you wrote: http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19118 Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel AUSTRALIA: December 18, 2002 CANBERRA - The Australian government said on Tuesday that evidence about mixing ethanol in petrol

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, sharp rise in oil prices this year Complicated, I wish I knew more about it - complex stuff about subsidies and whether they were a good thing or not (not that the petro companies ever get subsidies of course!), big

Re: [biofuels-biz] why are mainstream environmental organizations lukewarm on BioDiesel?

2002-12-18 Thread Hakan Falk
This turned up on EREN News: New Biodiesel Facility Begins Operation in Iowa A new facility with the capacity to produce 12 million gallons of Biodiesel per year started operating in Ralston, Iowa, in early December. The West Central Soy plant is owned and operated by a farmers' cooperative and

[biofuels-biz] Re: [Biodiesel] why are mainstream environmental organizations lukewarm on BioDiesel?

2002-12-18 Thread Appal Energy
Oh...I would say that they have warmed up to the notion of biodiesel considerably since last year - about the difference between a deep freeze then and a meat locker now. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/6257 You might also want to do a retake on some the premises that have been

Re: [biofuels-biz] why are mainstream environmental organizations lukewarm on BioDiesel?

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Discussed quite a lot at the Biofuel list. Try an archive search for +biodiesel +sierra http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Try this one, and others in that thread: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=6257list=BIOFUEL Sierra Club's Dismal Daniel Becker In contrast, try

[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 12/18/02

2002-12-18 Thread EREN
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- December 18, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring:

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi All, I think the Minister is referring to the Flexible Fuel Vehicles, capable of sensing ethanol content in the fuel tank and adjust the spark timing accordingly. Brazil and Germany also entered into CDM agreement to promote the use of fuel ethanol. Samai You've got it - thanks Samai.

[biofuel] Finding source for SVO

2002-12-18 Thread bruce_leininger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all. I'm getting ready to do a conversion on my '85 Golf and am wondering how to go about getting raw veggie oil in bulk. Down the road I'd like to use WVO, but I've heard about people having more problems with it than the newly pressed variety. I'm juust wondering what sort of places

Re: [biofuel] Re: Engine conversion

2002-12-18 Thread Bryan Fullerton
What they are saying is that basically GM took the 350 and with a few minor modifications made it into a 5.7 diesel. Now converting that engien to gas should be fairly simple. However I think I would go for dished pistons instead of more then one head gasket because that is just asking for

Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid!

2002-12-18 Thread Bryan Fullerton
Well yeah of course they play a role, unless they are all burned out. LOL I have seen that before too.. Darn engine wont start, only one cylinder seems to be trying to run.. where all that white smoke coming from? Pretty soon they start firing one by one. but to do it your cranking with your foot

Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting

2002-12-18 Thread Bryan Fullerton
I been to and through Minnesota a few times during winter and that is cold.. Bites right through your clothes. hell of a vacation.. You should try and light one of those propane campstoves in that weather.. But the late spring the year before was worse, couldn't light the stove for the flock of

[biofuel] Breaking down buildings, building up a neighborhood

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
No waste. Local. Sane. And it works well. ... one of the first steps toward being a socially responsible business is to have ties to the locality. Keith http://www.yesmagazine.org/23livingeconomy/dressel.htm breaking down buildings, building up a neighborhood by Holly Dressel When Shane

[biofuel] Re: Last word on forests

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.yesmagazine.org/23livingeconomy/flaccavento.htm from the earth, up by Anthony Flaccavento Before any course of action, we should first ask: Photo by Ann Hawthorne What is already here? What does nature allow us to do here? What does nature help us to do here? Wendell

[biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19100 s: Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program BRAZIL: December 17, 2002 RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - Brazil's new agriculture minister Roberto Rodrigues on Monday expressed strong support for a relaunch of the national sugar

[biofuel] Resource Guide for Living Economies

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.yesmagazine.org/23livingeconomy/resourceseconomies.html Resource Guide for Living Economies Living Economies ~ Fall 2002 Resources for Living Economies by Victor Bremson Erin Cusick support community Eco-Trust of Portland, Oregon, supports sustainable economic development in

Re: [biofuel] Re: Last word on forests

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
What they are doing is something that I can subscribe to and if you seen what Motie said, he will too. But the problem discussed from the start was that the environmentalists hindered this in Motie's forest. In Motie's forest they did not do clear cutting, they want to do selective harvesting and

[biofuel] Time Magazine features Direct Liquid Ethanol Fuel Cells

2002-12-18 Thread womplex_oo1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only fuel cells that have a future on the mass market are those that use liquid fuels - since storage is impractical for gaseous fuels like hydrogen methane. The only company that I know of that is developing Direct Liquid Fuel Cells is Medis Technologies in New York

Re: [biofuel] Re: Last word on forests

2002-12-18 Thread Michael Henry
Are there prescribed burns in your park? I know that they do them frequently in Sequoia, and that there was a disastrous one in Bandelier, which probably really set back the movement for prescribed burns. Have you had any experiences with them? On a more abstract note, I think the root of

Re: [biofuel] Re: Last word on forests

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
The community ecosystem trust One vehicle for doing this is the community ecosystem trust. In such a trust, those with a claim to land create a legal instrument to ensure that whoever uses and manages the land does so in a way aimed at ecological and economic health - in perpetuity. The

[biofuel] The Never-Ending Oil Spill

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14771 The Never-Ending Oil Spill By Maria Tomchick, AlterNet December 16, 2002 Western Europe's worst environmental disaster is unfolding at this very moment, but it's receiving little coverage here in the U.S - even though a similar disaster could

Re: [biofuel] Re: Last word on forests

2002-12-18 Thread Hakan Falk
You find no disagreement with me. I think it is enough of mud to go around. Hakan At 12:33 AM 12/19/2002 +0900, you wrote: I understand fully Motie's predicament and would go crazy if I was in his situation. If he would have been in private forest as the link describes, it would have been

Re: [biofuel] Finding source for SVO

2002-12-18 Thread James Slayden
Bruce, where are you located? If in the US you might want to get a hold of ADM as they sell both Soy and Corn oil, most likely in bulk. Check around online for some smaller producers that don't use GMO feedstock. Search engines are a wonderful tools . ;-) BTW, I was at Costco this weekend

[biofuel] Corporate enviros

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Same old thing - small is beautiful (maybe because it's usually local). ... Meanwhile, the grass-roots environmental groups are starved of the hundreds of millions of dollars that are raised every year by these massive bureaucracies. Over the past two decades, they've turned the environmental

[biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19118 Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel AUSTRALIA: December 18, 2002 CANBERRA - The Australian government said on Tuesday that evidence about mixing ethanol in petrol was inconclusive, putting aside any decision on whether to

RE: [biofuel] Corporate enviros

2002-12-18 Thread harley3
And you wonder why we are skeptical when one of the environmental groups jumps up and down, and wildly pointâs a finger. Without any proof, or even any secret email or two. They condemn a big business, and with the same breath ask for money. Only they can save you from that nasty big

[biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-18 Thread Thor Skov
Keith, You wrote: Current petro-diesel price in the US is about $1,50 (commercial biodiesel isn't much more, or about the same). WOW!! That's news to me. Where does BD cost around $1.50? I pay $2.65/gallon (and believe me, that hurts). I know you're going to tell me to start brewing my

[biofuel] Re: ethanol racing story

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
The conclusion came out this week: http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=466 With evworld.com the trick is if you want the whole installment and not the continue button and don't mind the small print, then hit the printer friendly version

RE: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting

2002-12-18 Thread kirk
Skeeters are the state bird of Alaska. Saw some big as robins. Later was told thems the small ones. Natives carry a shotgun for the bigger ones. -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:34 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com

[biofuel] Luminoid Solutions Highest Efficiency

2002-12-18 Thread kirk
http://www.polar-solar.com/efficiency.html Lumeloid is theoretically capable of converting over 80% of sunlight directly into usable electric energy. This high efficiency is made possible by the use of polarization, which causes absolutely no loss in the available light energy, yet organizes

Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, sharp rise in oil prices this year and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol. I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol

Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:33:38 +0900, you wrote: http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19118 Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel AUSTRALIA: December 18, 2002 CANBERRA - The Australian government said on Tuesday that evidence about mixing ethanol in petrol was

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-18 Thread murdoch
WOW!! That's news to me. Where does BD cost around $1.50? I pay $2.65/gallon (and believe me, that hurts). I know you're going to tell me to start brewing my own--and you're right. But I am curious if you have info on regional pricing for biodiesel. Even if one brews one's own, one should

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Thor and MM WOW!! That's news to me. Where does BD cost around $1.50? I pay $2.65/gallon (and believe me, that hurts). Sorry Thor, I see that was an industry figure I checked, not a pump figure. But I think somebody has said they're buying commercial brew for $2. Somebody else quoted

RE: [biofuel] Corporate enviros

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Harley wrote: And you wonder why we are skeptical You mean me? Seems you missed the first line, and much besides. Anyway, if you mean me, I've often criticized the big enviro groups here, as I just did in posting this message. But I don't dismiss them out of hand like you're doing - while

[biofuel] engine coversion

2002-12-18 Thread unimogman01
hello i dont know how to convert the motor , but if you find out I would love to know . I have a samurai i would like to covert thanks ken r. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, sharp rise in oil prices this year Complicated, I wish I knew more about it - complex stuff about subsidies and whether they were a good thing or not (not that the petro companies ever get subsidies of course!), big

Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:33:38 +0900, you wrote: http://www.planetark.org/envpicstory.cfm/newsid/19118 Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel AUSTRALIA: December 18, 2002 CANBERRA - The Australian government said on Tuesday that evidence about mixing ethanol in petrol

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-18 Thread girl mark
Prices I know of are in 1,000 gallon tanks- 1.86 per gallon that way for offroad, and 2.35/gallon with the road taxes on the same fuel. Unless the 1.86 price is outdated (prices on new soy biodiesel went up recently around here) this is coming from the WVO-derived biodiesel from the plant in

[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 12/18/02

2002-12-18 Thread EREN
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- December 18, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring:

Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program

2002-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Sam Jai-In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:23 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program Hi All, I think the Minister is referring to the Flexible Fuel Vehicles, capable of