you guys care to know the real kicker? the systems that i looked up use KOH
in the reaction chambers to produce the hydrogen, not solely water.
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No more wire hangers ever!
Poppycock is actually second only to Canola as an oil seed crop. The
trouble is that it's genetically modified and it's hard to get seeds.
You don't have Election Day in Japan? It's my girlfriend's favorite
holiday. She bounces out of bed and doesn't come home until
So they eat vegetables because cabbages don't scream and try to run
away when you kill them? That's probably what it often boils down to,
but not always.
cabbages? boil down to? Ouch.
Keith Addison wrote:
On 11/27/05, dermot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a common argument put
Anyone know whether I could mix left-over glycerine w/ dried leaves and
woodchips and coffee grounds and compress it
into a fireplace log with a hydralic ram and a form for fuel for my wood
stove? I've burned coffee logs before and it worked fine.
I could braze a stell form and use a bottle
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I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush and
untreated wood on a regular basis. How could this be used in the
production of bio fuels?
I am in Minneapolis, and willing to work with others in the area.
-Matthew
Matthew J. Harmon
On 11/28/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snippitysnip.Not all vegetarians avoid meat because of animal rights issues.Why do they avoid it then?BestKeith
I can't really say much about the main topic of the discussion, but I can offer an alternative reason for vegetarianism.
My
That's why people are upset; those in the know are even more upset.
I worked on a Post Reconstruction Database that would have served as a
blueprint for what to do after the war.
The Bush Admin. told us point-blank to stuff it. Did not want to hear
it, did not want hear about it.
THE CURRENT
Hi Mike,
I make logs with sawdust apacked in a milk carton. If you
have a fire that burns hot it will last between 1 to 3
hours. No ram necessary unless you like to put in a bunch of
extra work for something that you are going to burn anyway.
I was thinking of finding large cardboard tubes and
Did you mix anything w/ the sawdust?
We have gobs of dried leaves and wood chips. I thought of packing them
in paper bags mixed w/ glycerine.
I have a decent VC stove - I can control the fire to get pretty much any
kind of burn I need.
Fred Finch wrote:
Hi Mike,
I make logs with sawdust
Nike,
Opinion is a matter of perspective. That is why we have lobbyists. Your,
tongue in cheek comments, on Government efficiency are certainly accurate,
from the perspective of the beneficiaries (wealthy). Mine are written from the
perspective of the overtaxed (poor/ middle class). My
"Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes."Hey! Easy now!By the way, I happen to likePoppycock.Fiddle Faddle and Screaming Yellow Zonkers aren't bad either."Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs [Keith]"I learned from experience that the suburbs is where you go when you don't
But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
in the context of how can we
Hi Matthew,
Gassification is an option but if you can burn it hot, heating your house may be a good option.
I do it with a wood burner.
fredOn 11/28/05, Matthew J. Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush anduntreated wood on a regular
My suburban neighbors hate me. They hate:
1. The wood stove. (But SUV's are ok) - I don't like the smell.
2. The sound of me splitting wood. (Could you please do that another
time? I can't hear my program - true story)
3. Building a shed. (Called the county on me dozens of times, but
poor/ middle class - then you don't really count. Do you have a lobbyist? How
many congresspeople do you control?
Besides, we're getting off-point. The issue isn't really that the whole world
is against us, we're feeding lives, tax dollars and borrowed money into Iraq at
an unsustainable
What a quaint notion.
Geneva convention, and who knowswhat else, that prohibit attacking
citizens, public infrastructure, utilities..
G wrote:
But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
Maybe it should not have made it up the to
Greetings,
I could sure use it to help my compost pile, which makes my fields more
fertile then I can grow more veggies to collect the oil from.
Bright Blessings,
Kim in Texas
At 02:03 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote:
I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush and
untreated wood on
JTF was 4th on the list after The Times and The Post.
Keep your head down.
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Tom
So what am I missing?
Maybe that you think it's a war, but the rest of the world sees it as
an illegal invasion and criminal occupation.
How could destroying an independent
Tom
what you're missing is the far-wider implications of
this disgrace: that this bumbling neo-con
figurehead/posterboy illegally residing in (and
fronting for) the corporatocracy that IS the White
House (AND Congress, and soon the entire judiciary as
well) can, does, entertain feel enuf
"But I don't understand what is wrong with considering all options in war."I'm not surprised that anyone on this list would suggest having an open mind on anything. After all, it is the single biggest strength of the biofuel's collective mind (so to speak).However, the only option in
Germany and Japan were occupied with a long-range plan - The Marshall
Plan. Arguably it worked.
Afganistan and Iraq were flattened and then...
Michael Redler wrote:
/But I don't understand what is wrong with considering all options in
war./
I'm not surprised that anyone on this list
I thought you Mikes were my friends. You'd truly doom me to such a fate?
:-(
Keith
snip
Yea! I'd like to see that. Throw Keith in the 'burbs and see what
happens. I can see it now - the return of block parties, a spike in
voter turn-out, the mysterious disappearance of SUV's and communal
It's that other Mike. Redler!
I already live in suburban purgatory!
Keith Addison wrote:
I thought you Mikes were my friends. You'd truly doom me to such a fate?
:-(
Keith
snip
Yea! I'd like to see that. Throw Keith in the 'burbs and see what
happens. I can see it now - the return of
Two more reasons for being vegetarian:
Comparing factory farmed meat with factory farmed vegetables, the meat
consumes much more fossil fuel Btu's, and fossil water from aquifers,
per calorie of food.
Health effects of eating too much red meat. I'm not vegetarian, but I
don't eat a big chunk of
The Marshall Plan was developed well after World War II was over,
in the absence of any other sensible plan for dealing with the situation
in Germany and Europe. One major reason for its development and ready
acceptance was that there was then a hostile great power (the USSR)
which was benefiting
JTF was 4th on the list after The Times and The Post.
Fourth?? AFTER The Times and The Post??? Oh, the shame, the shame!
Keep your head down.
Yes, and the powder dry. You know, the smelling-salts powder.
Keith
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Tom
So what am I missing?
Maybe that
hostile great power (the USSR)
Kind of like Al Qaeda?
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The Marshall Plan was developed well after World War II was over,
in the absence of any other sensible plan for dealing with the situation
in Germany and Europe. One major reason for its development and ready
All of the little electrolyzers I have seen use KOH as the
electrolyte. Essentially no more than a ni-cad battery run at well
above electrolysis voltage, with means to separate and gather the
oxygen and hydrogen, rather than just venting it out of the top of the
cell like the batteries do. And
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
utilities..
I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
Well what
Ouch. I've been reading this discussion, and realize how little the
world at large actually knows about how to properly do off grid power
systems. I grew up with a battery/PV system, and now work designing
them. Several of the answers have been right in line, but if you want
a more in depth
Tom,
So what am I missing?
Could it be the fact that the commander in chief was so serious about
it and he had to be talked out of it by the leader of another nation?
That it was but a handful of syllables from becoming a reality?
That this is the type of mind in control of an arsenal of
Matthew,
It already is a biofuel. Start thinking down draught gasifier.
Todd Swearingen
I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush and
untreated wood on a regular basis. How could this be used in the
production of bio fuels?
I am in Minneapolis, and willing to work with
Jason and Katie wrote:
you guys care to know the real kicker? the systems that i looked up use KOH
in the reaction chambers to produce the hydrogen, not solely water.
Why is that a real kicker? The KOH serves to lower the electrical
resistance of the water. Nafion membranes do the
Try the gasifier list at repp.org
Appal Energy wrote:
Matthew,
It already is a biofuel. Start thinking down draught gasifier.
Todd Swearingen
I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush and
untreated wood on a regular basis. How could this be used in the
production
On 11/28/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not all vegetarians avoid meat because of animal rights issues.
Why do they avoid it then?
Best
Keith
Are you itchin' for a fight? ;^) Well, I trust that based on our long
discussion a few months ago, that you know why I avoided meat
Don't forget Bechtel
Nor Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown and Root, Vinnell, all the other
usual suspects, and the entire hall of corporateer infamy right
behind them.
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Hi,Andrew,
Seems acidic,just put some backing soda till it gets
7 +/-0,25
Luck!
Rumen
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Hello Tom
So what am I missing?
Maybe that you think it's a war, but the rest of the world sees it as
an illegal invasion and criminal occupation.
How could destroying an independent news agency in a friendly country
and killing its journalists and staff possibly be considered an
option???
The problem is that oil exhibits rather inelastic demand due to having
a monopoly on transportation, and societal requirements for
transportation use. If it followed conventional nice smooth demand vs
price, artificially raising the price by taxing it would reduce demand
because people would
Suggest carpet tubes (about 60mm diameter fairly thick) from the centre of
rolls of carpet.
regards Doug
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:55, Fred Finch wrote:
Hi Mike,
I make logs with sawdust apacked in a milk carton. If you have a fire
that burns hot it will last between 1 to 3 hours.
one precaution about burning glycerin: make sure you have plenty of
input air for combustion and a good flue for exhaust.
Incomplete combustion can result in the formation of allyl alcohol,
acrolein and acrylic acid. All of which are volatile and toxic.
Doug Foskey wrote:
Suggest carpet
Just the glycerine. I am sure that wood chips would work
well. I have more sawdust than anything else. I like to
compost the leaves and burn the wood. Makes life easier.On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did you mix anything w/ the sawdust?We have gobs of dried leaves and wood
every once in a while, albeit not often enough, justice prevails
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regular wood smoke contains way worse stuff than just burning Glycerine..
wood smoked may contain all of the following...
Cyclic di and triterpenoids: dehydroabietic acid, isopimaric acid,
lupenone, friedelin
Chlorinated dioxins
Carbon monoxide
Methane
Aldehydes: formaldehyde, acrolein,
Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/28/congressman.shouse.ap/index.html
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And how does that work, because I would think the
glycerin melts and turn into liquid ?
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:55
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of
glycerine...burning
Michael,
You seem the have the chemistry I lack, maybe you can tell me about how many
moles of H to a liter of glycerin C 3 H 5 (OH)3 ?
Greg H.
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Mathew,
I understand you could make methanol or ethanol from your wood.
I don't know the details, but I understand you would have to chip the wood.
Then hydrolyze the wood with a dilute acid like; hydrochloric, sulfuric or
sulphorous acid. Then ferment the sugars formed and distill the liquid
Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized dieselpick-up truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3 older trucks with over 300 000km.Steve Reimer
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I'm shocked.
radema wrote:
Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human
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Dunno, haven't tried it. I've been just dropping a big glop in and
using it to start the fire.
Bioclaire Nederland wrote:
And how does that work, because I would think the glycerin melts and
turn into liquid ?
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You might have an easier time in Canada than here in the US, but here
the little 4 cylinder diesel pickups are few and far between. They're
selling for upwards of $5,000 if in good shape with under 200,000km.
I had to drive 1,200 miles to get mine, and then only because I had
good connections.
You're being sarcastic Mike, I hope?
On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm shocked.
radema wrote:
Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human
intelligence admits taking $2.4Million in bribes.
Actually, almost nothing shocks me any more...
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
You're being sarcastic Mike, I hope?
On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm shocked.
radema wrote:
Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human
intelligence admits taking
steve reimer wrote:
Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized diesel pick-up
truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3
older trucks with over 300 000km.
Good luck, Steve! Nobody has made a small or mid sized diesel for
sale in North America
Ray, whereas I agree that all of that which you listed can be present in wood
smoke, there are three
important considerations: vapor pressure, concentration and relative toxicity.
I will stand by my
precautions about burning glycerin because 1) the concentrations of the toxins
I mentioned
I am working on making my first batch of Biodiesel and I can not seem to get the NaOH to dissolve in the methanol. I am using Ozark Trail brand stove fuel purchased from WalMart for methanol. I did read on the website that the NaOH can be difficult to dissolve but it has been 18 hours since I have
Well that is a new idea. Next step is to figure out
what it is.
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are you sure that it is methanol? camp fuel in my parts- the Ozarks- is white
gas , basically
gasoline.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am working on making my first batch of Biodiesel and I can not seem to
get the NaOH to dissolve in the methanol. I am using Ozark Trail brand
stove fuel
How does it compare to Sterno?
bob allen wrote:
Ray, whereas I agree that all of that which you listed can be present in wood
smoke, there are three
important considerations: vapor pressure, concentration and relative
toxicity. I will stand by my
precautions about burning glycerin because
Lists of chemicals present in wood smoke reminded me of the following list. It
is a list of
substances which have been shown to be mutagens and/or carcinogens present in
the cited foods.
Should one be concerned? well that depends on the potency and concentration of
the listed ingredients.
Sterno is basically ethanol, burns much cleaner than glycerin.
Mike Weaver wrote:
How does it compare to Sterno?
bob allen wrote:
Ray, whereas I agree that all of that which you listed can be present in wood
smoke, there are three
important considerations: vapor pressure,
A kernel of energy innovation has ethanol industry popping
Greg Gordon, Star Tribune
November 29, 2005
http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5751740.html
WASHINGTON - A cooperative in Little Falls, Minn., is spending $8 million
so it can make ethanol by burning scrap wood instead of
I am sure now that the camp stove fuel must not be methanol . It has been over 24 hours and the lye has not dissolved at all. I thought I had read that the stove fuel would work but I guess I was wrong. On the back of the can it says it contains a refined petroluem naptha. Now I am right or wrong
At www.sor.com ( Specter Off Road ), you can find about any engine that went
into a Landcruiser, including diesels. 4,5, and 6 cyl diesel engines
http://www.sor.com/sor/cat035b.tam?xax=22710
Greg H.
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