Germany and Japan were occupied with a long-range plan - The Marshall 
Plan.  Arguably it worked.

Afganistan and Iraq were flattened and then...

Michael Redler wrote:

> /"But I don't understand what is wrong with considering all options in 
> war."/
>  
> I'm not surprised that anyone on this list would suggest having an 
> open mind on anything. After all, it is the single biggest strength of 
> the biofuel's collective mind (so to speak).
>  
> However, the only option in war (IMO) is to put down the 
> antagonists. Nearly every war the US has fought, has been as an 
> extension of its foreign policy and politics - making it one of the 
> worlds biggest antagonists.
>  
> To a pacifist, the reasons for stopping war are obvious. on a 
> practical level, war has not been a successful way of extending any 
> political policy.
>  
> [Biofuel] Keegan vs. von Clausewitz: war is not a worthwhile 
> instrument of national policy
> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg52828.html
>  
> (IMO) the decision boils down to weighing the benefits of either ten 
> years of occupation or ten years of civil war. In the context of self 
> determination and the history of most democracies which have emerged 
> over the past hundred years, the decision seems pretty unambiguous.
>  
> Mike  
>
> */Tom Scheel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
>     I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
>     policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
>     angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
>     alieniated the US from the world community in the
>     process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
>
>     But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>     all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>     Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>     president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>     gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>     in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>     Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>     comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>     bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>     observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>
>     So what am I missing?
>
>     thanks
>     Tom
>
>     Radiance Heating and Plumbing, Inc. (ROC 204149,204150)
>     Tom Scheel
>     928-380-6294
>
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