OK, now that you've mentioned porting an existing application, I can
*kind of* understand that.
I'd expect most management to take the approach if it ain't broke,
don't fix it - and in their eyes it ain't broke.
A while back I was in a similar situation - like you, I tried to
explain the
I would love to see a TCO study as well.
It's just hard to compare. One of my clients that has been resisting
symfony/php for a while just opted to have me build a standalone
module in it. The module is a reporting tool that seamlessly
integrates with their database. The module took a month to
What's the going rate for support from Sensio for an app developed
against symfony?
On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 19:15 +0200, Alexandru-Emil Lupu wrote:
However, symfony is open source ... :) as fabien said ... no one has
thought to help financial sensio labs or symfony project ...
if is so
hehe, yeah. I think it's more likely that I will donate time and/or
money to symfony at some point. I have mostly used it on private
backend development for clients who don't care how the work gets done.
I have yet to launch any of my personal projects using it. If one of
those takes off, then
Well I do kind of have a case study myself. We have just recently made one
of our applications built in symfony open to our customers. It is a highly
complex system incorporating AJAX style features, advanced reporting
scenarios, the use of a nested structure of organisations to limit data
scope
Also just wanted to mention. People say (even Fabien said) that symfony is
not for small applications. I tend to disagree with this. From my
experience, small applications tend to turn into big ones. If you develop
what seems like a small application at first with symfony, when you need to
add
You 've right it's really to complicated and consume to more time in
the development stage.
On 18 Wrz, 21:27, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that the attempt of putting the entire WEB form within the
class
only unnecessarily complicate such a simple thing such is form
handling.
Hi!
This subject was discussed way too much ...
All the guys that are not satisfied with this framwork (developers or
managers), they are free to quit using this framework.
They should not be trying to force themselfs to understand symfony way ...
I am not telling that i have understand
Do you know the reason they don't want to use symfony? is it because
they want to maintain the application themselves? or with labour
cheaper than yourself once it's built? it would be interesting to
know... as it could spur on a symfony and TCO study or something.
It's a bunch of
On Sep 24, 3:05 pm, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
No offense Fabien, this is a well-meaning criticism. I know that you
invested so much effort into Symfony. However, you are a little
exaggerated forcing object model and object-oriented programming
The Zend Framework and Django (Python) for instance have the same kind
of architecture for their form management.
Fabien
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sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org
Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80
zeek wrote:
On Sep 24, 3:05
We recently hired a junior PHP developer, fresh out of college, getting his
first taste of using PHP AND symfony in a production environment. We pretty
much had to throw him in the deep end with using symfony and the associated
documentation and give him work to do.
Guess what? Because of
Gareth, i might even say old php 3.. in php4 there were any oop layering in
progress ..
Fabien, if i remember right (haven't work to much with Rails) symfony folder
structure is much alike with Ruby on Rails. By the way. Please close this
non sense thread.
Alecs
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:04
I was thinking about this, while making a sf1.0 project... and indeed
dispite of how good the new things in 1.2, it really got really complex.In
some ways, to a new commer, use symfony isn't a good idea he doesn't need
only to use MVC and ORM anymore, he needs to learn (and almost master) the
As Fabien pointed out, sfForm is similar to Zend Form, Django, etc. So
Symfony isn't alone with this approach.
In general, someone not familiar with OOP and MVC will definitely
struggling at first, not just with Symfony. No shortcut here, web
developer just needs to learn best practices.
And
Sid Ferreira, and everyone complaining about the new forms, you don't
have to use them for simple things!
Just post your raw html form to an action, handle it with
getPostParameter() and do something with it.
It is NOT TRUE that you have to learn a lot of stuff just to do simple
things.
I don't
Actually I do like and use a lot of forms.Im just looking as a new commer.
It isn't cause (framework name here) does something that everyone must to
do.
Maybe let the forms helper there, unused, as a way to new users learn before
really get into symfony.
Making it easyer.
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009
Set compat_10 : true in settings.yml and you're all good
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.comwrote:
The helpers are still there. Just not included by default. I think you
need to ?php use_helper('Form'); ? or include it other way.
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at
So maybe the beginner tutorials should start with simple things, like
handling a hand written html form and then later introduce some
extended features like sfForms, which makes your life easier. This is
done with security.yml and credentials: if you need more, you can use
sfGuard. The good thing
The helpers are still there. Just not included by default. I think you
need to ?php use_helper('Form'); ? or include it other way.
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Sid Ferreira sid@gmail.com wrote:
Actually I do like and use a lot of forms.
Im just looking as a new commer.
It isn't cause
I don't use the sfGuard either, just the sfBasicSecurityUser, and it works
well enough and is really not all that complicated. I don't use the admin
generator as I feel it creates elements that are far too generic for my
purposes and usually my admin and frontend systems are too integrated.
Just
Applications you develop can quickly grow out of the baby-steps ways and
into full-blown adolescence and a good primary school gets you some life
skills, while preparing you for more advanced learning.
It's better to take a little longer to learn the basics of how and why
everything hooks
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
What is the limit? How deep a developer should go with the re-
factoring?
Is it necessary to split templates into numerous small fragments
Not necessary no. Possible yes. Useful, yes sometimes.
e.g. Same form will be used for both new and edit actions, so
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, michael.pie...@googlemail.com wrote:
So maybe the beginner tutorials should start with simple things, like
handling a hand written html form and then later introduce some
extended features like sfForms, which makes your life easier.
Actually it does: the definitive guide
On Sep 23, 12:29 pm, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
First:
[..] So you complicate some tasks in the Symfony
framework that already was simple and good.
Well, that's certainly an opinion.
Second:
Almost 90% of the code that generates the Symfony framework
developer need to modify or
Ignorance is bliss.
- Jon
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
This is generated HTML code that I got after inserting the language
component within a table cell:
td?php include_component('language', 'language') ?/td
where component 'language' is a component
This is generated HTML code that I got after inserting the language
component within a table cell:
td?php include_component('language', 'language') ?/td
where component 'language' is a component that uses Symfony WEB forms:
(from Jobeet tutorial):
form action=/change_language
input
Hi.
So what's wrong with components? Can't your designer learn to look into
apps/currentappname/modules/modulename/templates/_componentname.php
when encountering ?php include_component('modulename', 'componentname') ?
or what?
2009/9/24 bghost bggho...@gmail.com
This is generated HTML code
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:13:06 +0200, Jonathan Wage jonw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.
- Jon
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
This is generated HTML code that I got after inserting
Boy, am I glad to see someone say that the sf documentation needs
examples and more cross-references to tutorials and other places where
elements can be seen in practice. I'ts all well and good for the
senior developers to sit back on their heals and smugly say, Well, if
you were a REAL
This is an example of the type of doc content that's useful and should
cover everybody from newbies to somebody more seasoned with the framework.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.timezone.aspx
Having this level of content, however, takes time and effort to write,
translate
Hello,
Yes, and this is content of template:
form action=?php echo url_for('@change_language') ?
?php echo $form ?input type=submit value=ok /
/form
And please, can you tell me why is the fucking select box inserted
outside from the form?
Variable $form is object of sfFormLanguage type which
Possibly - but delegation is a beautiful thing :)
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:46:10 +0200, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, david wrote:
It would however need over-sight and management by the core SF team.
I suspect lack of resources would be a problem here.
--
Using
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
Symfony has become too complicated. Also, Symfony folder structure
has
become too complicated.
We're talking about a handful of folders which all have a logical place
but generally, in day-to-day coding you're only dealing mainly with one or
two folders.
You might want to calm down on the language. This is a peer support
mailing list - throwing your dummy out of the pram/push-chair/stroller
isn't going to generate much in the way of help.
You might want to look at the documentation specifically around forms for
pointers on where you have
David, that is really allready happening
If you would go to the Plugins section of the site, then in the right side
you'll be able to see a Create an
accounthttp://www.symfony-project.org/user/new
link, that will allow you to register as Symfony developer.
After that you may also go to the
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
No offense Fabien, this is a well-meaning criticism. I know that you
invested so much effort into Symfony. However, you are a little
exaggerated forcing object model and object-oriented programming
where it is necessary - and where it is not (as is the
bghost,
1. Don't use *(#...@% words in this mailing list, this does not help
2. A framework is a set of components, some of them are optionals, these
include sfForm, so yes if you don't like it you are free to use other lib :
Zend_Form or and other Framework_Form_Class.
3. echo $form is ONLY for
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
Yes, and this is content of template:
form action=?php echo url_for('@change_language') ?
?php echo $form ?input type=submit value=ok /
/form
And please, can you tell me why is the fucking select box inserted
outside from the form?
Its an object
I really have to give my two cents because I really think you have a lot to
learn as a developer but more importantly as a person.
You better start preparing for a career change if you are unable to adapt
and learn something as simple as this. Other people all over the world are
using these tools
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Alexandru-Emil Lupu wrote:
be invalid ) or have been analised, and another 255 tickets are posted in
order to be analised.
You mean analyze. ANALYZE. Please no porn on this list! :-)
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You received this message
Seriously, if you had not posted this, we'd still think you're a smart
guy, who just doesn't like Symfony's way of doing things.
But now, well ... familiar with the quote below?
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's
mouth and remove all doubt
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at
Bghost,
Is your only your choice if you want to really shut up this nonsense stuff
and:
- maybe let your experience to improve this framewok
- leave
- make a tutorial for the new comers. A tutorial like: I am new to symfony,
and i want to apply symfony in X project. Let's start. I doubt that if
Ok, I found problem:
The form rendering process inserting something like this for the form
rows:
form action=...bla...bla..
input type=hidden name=symfony value=3d454099 /
tr
thlabel for=first_nameFirst name/label/th
tdinput type=text name=first_name value=Fabien class=foo
It's in the manual:
http://www.symfony-project.org/forms/1_2/en/A-Widgets#chapter_a_sfwidgetformschema
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:20:25 +0200, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I found problem:
The form rendering process inserting something like this for the form
rows:
form
On Sep 24, 10:20 pm, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
And where is the problem guys? I think the problem is that you
obviously
do not suffer any criticism.
That's right, that's why we're all secretly using symfony 0.6, which
is perfect.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Ghost,
If you really need help (and are not just trolling), then have at look
at my blog post regarding the new sfForms system
http://www.sdm.co.nz/using-the-new-symfony-11-forms/
This will help you use the forms in a designer friendly way, including a
validation panel with list of errors.
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, bghost wrote:
This is bad formatted HTML - where is table tag? Using tr, th
and td without table - terrible !
As the example in the docs show, *you* must supply that:
http://www.symfony-project.org/forms/1_2/en/01-Form-Creation#chapter_01_sub_displaying_the_form
--
Hmmm... I'm kind of inclined to agree that using tables is just bad,
regardless of whether or not the opening table tag is missing.
Any reason Symfony doesn't default to using dl/dd/dt like Zend_Form
does? (that's about the only good thing I have to say about Zend_Form)
Wouldn't that be
Probably because table is easier for majority of developers.
Those who dislike table are usually advanced enough to change the
default settings
I think that's the reason
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Lee Bolding l...@leesbian.net wrote:
Hmmm... I'm kind of inclined to agree that using
Sid's right. Managing change with these types of things is quite hard.
Once defaults are set and people build around it - changing to another
default breaks apps.
It can take 3 major versions for such a change to filter through - look at
what the PHP core is going through.
On Fri, 25 Sep
Ok Eno,
I visited that link and I did not thrilled because I found something
wrong again:
form action=/frontend_dev.php/contact/submit method=POST
table
!-- Beginning of generated code by ?php echo $form ?
--
tr
thlabel for=nameName/label/th
tdinput type=text name=name
I've avoided responding on this thread to this point because your rude
foul-mouthed criticism is ridiculously ignorant and malicious. But, since
you once again call all developers here stupid, please be quickly proven
wrong by reading the INTRODUCTION TO TABLES by the W3C. If you don't know
who
Hello moderator,
Can we please lock this thread? This thread has been going on far too
long. I'd say borderline trolling. This is getting really annoying.
We can't teach bghost all the basics in this one long thread.
bghost, if you still think you know what you're talking about, I dare
you to
And? Where you saw any recommendation to use th tags outside
thead ??
I never said that any developer is stupid here. But now I have changed
my opinion
under the pressure of your arguments.
Anyway, finally I would say this:
Most of you are calling for some alleged benefits that are hidden
This is my last post here.
I'm so glad! GOOD BYE!!!
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:34 PM, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
And? Where you saw any recommendation to use th tags outside
thead ??
I never said that any developer is stupid here. But now I have changed
my opinion
under the pressure
On Sep 24, 11:04 am, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
This is generated HTML code that I got after inserting the language
component within a table cell:
td?php include_component('language', 'language') ?/td
where component 'language' is a component that uses Symfony WEB forms:
(from
As I said at the beginning:
Symfony has become too complicated. Also, Symfony folder structure
has become too complicated. Definitely, the learning of principles on
which Symfony working is painful and unprofitable. If you really want
to
see, which means fast, easy and effective PHP framework,
As I said at the beginning:
Symfony has become too complicated. Also, Symfony folder structure
has
become too complicated. Definitely, the learning of principles on
which
Symfony working is painful and unprofitable. If you really want to
see, which
means fast, easy and effective PHP framework,
Feel free to use other framework if you think that Symfony isn't for
you, but saying it is too complicated isn't doing yourself any favor.
If you have specific ideas to improve Symfony, feel free to share them
with the mailing list or join the dev mailing list. Symfony isn't
perfect and there
Ok, I think we get the point. No need to be rude. Please, go away, use
whatever framework you want, and stop writing nonsense emails.
Thanks,
Fabien
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Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer
sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org
Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80
Yes. And somehow censorship is neccesary for those kinds of people. Please
dont spam our mailboxes anymore.
On Sep 23, 2009 9:19 AM, Fabien Potencier
fabien.potenc...@symfony-project.com wrote:
Ok, I think we get the point. No need to be rude. Please, go away, use
whatever framework you want,
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Zend+Framework%2C+CakePHP%2C+CodeIgniter%2C+Symfony%2C+yiictab=0geo=allgeor=alldate=allsort=0
Why if I write in google trends: Zend Framework, Symfony - the results
are almost the same:
Hi Fabien,
You say that I write nonsense and stupid e-mails? Well, seems that
you did not understand me. So, I'll be here a little more detailed and
specific:
First:
No offense Fabien, this is a well-meaning criticism. I know that you
invested so much effort into Symfony. However, you are a
Ghost3D,
If you do not like the new form framework, then I recommend that you stick
with the 1.0 branch of Symfony.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the directory structure used in
Symfony projects. Once you get used to the layout, it makes sense.
Kind regards,
Nick.
2009/9/23 bghost
Because Zend's framework is named Zend Framework whereas the Symfony
framework is just known as Symfony.
On Sep 23, 10:26 am, dziobacz aaabbbcccda...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Zend+Framework%2C+CakePHP%2C+CodeIgnit...
Why if I write in google trends: Zend Framework,
Ghost3D,
Firstly, the reason for the move to OO forms has already been covered
- it's to promote re-use and greater flexibility. This unavoidably
comes with the cost of increased complexity, and I think from the
answers above most people here are willing to make that trade-off.
Secondly,
It has become a long thread ... As some one said before that
noframework is perfect... But I guess what matters is how well does a
framework hide all the complexitites of creating scalable web apps n
let's the developer focus on the solution n business logic
suberbly ... Yes it does take
Yeah :) like plugins but one wouldn't have to spend the time making it
into a plugin ... why not make that as a natural part of process while
developing an app .. So modules r from the start build like plugins ...
During the project the time spent on documentation is minimal so not
every thing
Yeah :) like plugins but one wouldn't have to spend the time making it
into a plugin ... why not make that as a natural part of process while
developing an app
I think it is already natural. Plugin structure is almost identical
apps. You can practically just create a plugin folder, copy your
Farrukh,
The kind of re-use that you are talking about, from one project to the
next, should be done with a plugin. It is the plugins that allow you
to putting the schema model n peer classes in one folder so all
one would need is to copy the folder n customize it .
On Sep 23, 9:51 am,
Packaging and releasing plugin to Symfony repository takes a bit more
time, but pluginizing module for your own use only takes minutes with
benefit of reusability over multiple projects.
Possibly a one page checklist should b given some prominence. The info
is there in the book, but it gets a
What is the point and what the benefits of the code generated if 90%
of the code must be re-written on the completely different way?
You are free to write a plugin that auto-generates the CRUD forms in
any way you wish.
The result of all this is a complex directory structure, many empty
Yeah never really got the time to look into creating plugins Just used
a few.. Will look into it... Thanks
Any how symfony is doing a great... N it a piece of work well done!
Thanks to the team building it.
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Kind regards
Farrukh Abbas
On 24 Sep 2009, at 03:48, zeek z...@thesecondroad.org
I think symfony is brilliant, If you need a framework which can scale
to enterprise level websites with fast prototyping and a flexible ORM,
then you don't need anything else. If you think it's complicated, then
maybe you're in the wrong place.
If you want to build a small website with
I would like to say that Symfony is very, very good and future
framework. Thx Symfony I could learn very fast ASP.NET MVC (not
ASP.NET but ASP.NET MVC) - these two frameworks have got many similar
things.
While Zend Framework is far, far away Symfony and ASP.NET MVS. In Zend
you must almost
XD
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:28 AM, dziobacz aaabbbcccda...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to say that Symfony is very, very good and future
framework. Thx Symfony I could learn very fast ASP.NET MVC (not
ASP.NET but ASP.NET MVC) - these two frameworks have got many similar
things.
While
I agree completely, link the API pages to the jobeet tutorial.
And I agree, there should be more level of tutorials.
For instance:
(Until noted, just plain text in HTML, no fancy looks:)
(All of these sand boxed)
The Hello world one Without a template.
The Hello wolrd one WITH a template.
I think we're saying the same thing. You use the right tool for the
job. You use WordPress for a blog. You use Joomla for medium sized
business that needs to quickly give its staff some way to control the
content of a site. You use Rails or Symfony if you're building a web
app.
On Sep 19,
On Sep 18, 5:09 pm, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
No, the crux of what I wanted to say is:
Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework
works but they need to learn a programming language.
I'm struggling to understand this statement. If you're saying that
it's bad for
On 19 Sep 2009, at 10:45, Alexandru-Emil Lupu wrote:
Well the symfony plugins part is the maintainer / creator job to
keep it updated. But as there is no motivational thing involved
(money or need to use it in sf 1.2 or something else that don't
cross my mind atm ), i do not think the
On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
No, the crux of what I wanted to say is:
Users should not spend more time to learn how some Web Framework
works but they need to learn a programming language.
Welcome to the present. It might have been that way 15-20 years ago
but today
Symfony has the best documentation which I have ever seen. Jobeet
tutorial is very long but in this tutorial is almost everything - all
important things.
For me the worst thing in Symfony are plugins. Many good plugins are
old - for example shopping cart:
Well the symfony plugins part is the maintainer / creator job to keep it
updated. But as there is no motivational thing involved (money or need to
use it in sf 1.2 or something else that don't cross my mind atm ), i do not
think the maintainer will do it. Instead, you might create an account on SF
Hi i'm studing and i'm newer,
well, one year ago i was trying to learn symfony by my way (well in those
times without internet), i could not do the hello world jaja , so i leave
symfony. now i need to finish a web system until 31 of December and alone.
two months ago i started to write the code of
I am not yet enought good in Symfony to update plugins :) I think it
should be list of about 20 the most important plugins in symfony and
they should be updated in each new version of Symfony.
On 19 Wrz, 11:45, Alexandru-Emil Lupu gang.al...@gmail.com wrote:
Well the symfony plugins part is
Any framework will be a large investment of time in the begginging. Oh well,
see ya, don't let the door hit on the way out
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple
application.
Productivity and
Daniel, your post could serve as a very basic explanation of Symfony
to newcomers? Do you think you could re-write this and fix some of the
grammar? Post it on a blog somewhere and I'll link to it, and maybe
others, and maybe some of the bigger Symfony blogs, like Symfony
Nerds, will link to it.
I think it's all about coding or not. Symfony not only helps you
developing faster but also teaches you a lot of clean, beautiful
programming. If you do not find this learning curve enriching, then I
suggest you better go for other framework such as Joomla where
everything is more visual and you
On Sep 19, 12:03 pm, Juampy72 juamp...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's all about coding or not. Symfony not only helps you
developing faster but also teaches you a lot of clean, beautiful
programming. If you do not find this learning curve enriching, then I
suggest you better go for other
Hi,
Yes I think, symfony gives a good platform to develop small or big web
sites giving Model-View-Controller architecture for the same.
But I think, cookbook and other things need to be kept updated with
latest changes. I found that Swift Mail has been updated but cook book
comes with old
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Is Joomla a Framework?
For me, it isn't
Juampy72 escribió:
I think it's all about coding or not. Symfony not only helps you
developing faster but also teaches you a lot of clean, beautiful
programming. If you do not find this learning
I would make a difference: web application and web site. Joomla, Drupal and
TYPO3 are great to build websites and manage static and multimedia content
and adding some of the social necessities. This is all representational.
All the rest that is en vogue today, (social apps) and plattforms,
Well, could you share what you tried to do?
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:58, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple
application.
Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable.
So, Symfony - Goodbye
--
It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple
application.
If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it too
much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology.
But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find
great
Hi.
Well, for me essence and purpose of symfony is to reduce efforts while
developing and adjusting complicated and mid-size to large applications.
According to my experience, symfony does this job almost perfectly. And yes,
I've once tried to build wordpress-like blog with symfony, but abandoned
First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad,
because I follow its development from the first version. But I think
it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration
with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration
files in order to automate all
You mean parameters to the command line?
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:29, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad,
because I follow its development from the first version. But I think
it became too complicated because it is evident
You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not
before.
Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That will
help us improve the framework.
For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we
removed a lot of them, and removed some
I thought on all parameters: in the command line, and various
configuration parameters in various configuration files.
On Sep 18, 4:38 pm, Sid Ferreira sid@gmail.com wrote:
You mean parameters to the command line?
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:29, bghost bggho...@gmail.com wrote:
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