[Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

2019-01-09 Thread John Willis
I am tracing and repairing existing traces of warehouses in an industrial district. Many of the warehouses have large (3-6m) roofs over the loading dock gates, making the building appear bigger. here is an example. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/494766956

Re: [Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

2019-01-09 Thread John Willis
Most of my imagery is at an angle, so I have to be careful to map the building footprint, but this also means I can easily see the roof overhang on most buildings, so it is easy for me to map most of them. If it was directly overhead, most of them are cantilevered roofs with very thick support

Re: [Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

2019-01-10 Thread John Willis
>> >> If you had street-level imagery that may change things? > > As Graeme says - you cannot tell from satellite imagery. on this particular imagery, I can tell because they are trucking distribution warehouses, which have a distinctive cantilevered roof that is easily discernible form image

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-10 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:49 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Ditches are also used to drain excess water. > > In the USA we have irrigation ditches in dry areas and drainage ditches in > wet areas. it is especially difficult where I am, because the irrigation ditiches cascade from on se

Re: [Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

2019-01-10 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:34 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Was mapping the other day (using iD), marking buildings in an industrial > area. As I said, the photo's weren't the clearest, but I was also peering > through the purple haze of the mapped area=industrial, which certainly > doesn't

Re: [Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

2019-01-10 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Xavier wrote: > > JOSM you can use its filter capability to hide any elements iD has a rough type hiding ability, “map data” icon on the right (“F” key shortcut), and has 12 categories of elements you can turn on and off. I keep boundaries turned off, for examp

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-10 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Stopped reading here and Unsubscribing. > You are not funny, and I don’t need the stress that this mailing list brings. > > Good luck with tagging & Bye 👋 How unprofessional and dismissive. For someone making tools that implement ta

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-10 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > was always under the impression that the ones I encounter between > farmland and meadows, which typically are surrounded by dirt, ground, > plants are ditches. That drains are constructed with concrete or > similar material and that there ar

[Tagging] Imagery variations/misalignments in iD - which to use?

2019-01-11 Thread John Willis
Another quick question: Mapping in Japan. in iD, we have some imagery to choose from: - Bing imagery (from very very good to meh), - a Japanese government GIS render (which is okay, a patchwork of different vector illustrations) [Japan GSI standard Map] - a Japanese “ortho” view, imagery wi

[Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-14 Thread John Willis
I have come across an interesting mappable feature when out cycling last weekend. The ~60 km long cycling roads along the Rivers here in Japan occasionally have city operated facilities, and similar to the centuries old “road stations” and the more recent motorway “Service areas”, I found a “C

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-14 Thread John Willis
There are tons and tons of little singular Budda statues on a pedestal and perhaps a little roof, and people leave coins, sake, and dress them in jackets. There are also very tiny Shinto "shrines" on the top of mountains (like the size of a shoebox or microwave) that have a spot for offerings a

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > What do you think about the column, does it meet your expectations for > wayside shrine? If the object is religious in nature, I think it is. Very very very old wayside shrines in Japan are usually destroyed. The weathe

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > This seems to imply that wayside_cross is a subclass of wayside shrine (all > instances of crosses are also shrines)? I think it is really difficult to tease apart "memorial" from a lot of these religious objects. I i

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-15 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 10:53 PM, tomoya muramoto > wrote: > > I added some photo example to wiki, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine Thanks for telling us about things going on in the Japanese discussions and adding examples. Please correct any of my statemen

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-15 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > +1 to require „enshrining“ for a shrine. For some context, here are 4 pictures. https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn The first two is a remote Shinto shrine (building=shrine) located on a hilltop. It is a building the size of a ga

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Tomoya - Thanks for the translation help! I wasn't expecting that. This particular building is 300m into the forest, at the top of a small hill, accessed only by a walking trail. I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is on. Would a Mikoshi be stored so far away from the road? I know of

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough. I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare places here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question thread is a sun protection

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Thanks for all the comments everyone. Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > highway=service _area > service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse, etc Warin's suggestion is probably best, that way the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented for each type, service_are

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > service _area:hgv=yes Isn't a highway=services already for HGV ? The issue I ran into is highway=services that are not on a motorway (a Japanese road station) - but how does a facility "cater to" HGV and cyclists

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > what's the difference between a service area on a road that is tagged with > highway=services and one that is tagged amenity=fuel I'll write a full response tomorrow, but highway=services (SA) is a singularly named place with a

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
es. Javbw Quoted email From Paul, Jan 27th 2017 Re: [Tagging] highway=services & "Road Stations" - subtag requested. > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:34 PM, John Willis <mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote: >> >>> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Paul Johnson &

Re: [Tagging] reviving hollow way

2018-02-19 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > cutting=sunken_lane feels good. this feels right to me too. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-21 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I would not consider a freestanding statue or several of them (not in a niche > or covered or inside some other construction) , a “shrine” They are usually the same objects inside other wayside shrines (as I understand it). Th

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Aviation obstacle light

2018-03-08 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > airmark:light I think is better. there are already approach lights, PAPI lights, etc. I think saying that these are obstacle / hazard warning lights is appropriate. Beyond mapping runways and terminal buildings, The airma

[Tagging] Area of loading docks = ?

2018-03-27 Thread John Willis
I was looking how to tag the area used for loading & unloading freight, usually a “private” area of an otherwise public retail building. I would call this area a loading dock, but “loading dock” https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dloading_dock

Re: [Tagging] Area of loading docks = ?

2018-03-27 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > How about loading / unloading / freight _area, still with access=no? so we would have to create a tag - amenity=freight_area ? Javbw___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

[Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-08 Thread John Willis
TL:DR - we need a “flower field” tag or a variant of flowerbed. tat is not related to farming, but more to garden or tourism. This is a tag for the field itself, not the entire location, which may need a garden:type=spectacle value to define it. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_fe

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-09 Thread John Willis
During this discussion it is evident That we need a macro "venue" tag *And* A micromapping "flower bed" tag together. let's take a Rose garden for example. The garden itself is one big landuse. The standard "garden" tag should suffice. Then there are all the little pieces inside. The paths, f

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-09 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:47 AM, John Willis wrote: > > landuse=flowerbed Although I searched the wiki and didn’t find the page I was looking for — when I googled for it, I found a “defacto” page made for landuse=flowerbed. 1200 uses. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ta

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
Actual flower Farms are landuse=farmland crop=flowers. Yea, they may have a viewpoint and a gift shop. But those large commercial farms are not what I'm talking about. These are about tagging the actual beds of decorative flowers with landuse=flowerbed (which I think is totally a landuse - it

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > they are. A flowerbed is about something human made. What you have been > posting is a forest +1 There are many natural spectacles (the fall colors on the mountains, certian flowers that grow on wild hills, etc) that is a fo

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > An area with decorative flowers organized and presented in flowerbeds, with > visitors and maybe a fee, will be something, like a flower show, with a name, > maybe a website etc. That is the overall Garden. Garden:type=

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> You don't play sports on them. People grow flowers in dedicated land merely >> to be enjoyed. > > Or to cut up and placed inside for decoration and smell. You can't nest landuses? We nest every other type of area. I

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-12 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I thought you also agreed they could be seen as a kind of garden? It isn’t > the only possibility, one might also see them as a kind of park, or maybe > even a kind of meadow, but my choice, from what I imagine, would be kind of

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-12 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > landuses don’t refer to features like a house or a supermarket, they refer to > a purpose/activity class like retail, residential, industrial or commercial. Yea, you got me on that one. You are right about the landuse tag being

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-17 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > So what are you going to use/propose ? landcover or man_made ? > Curious, because I want to correct my mapping. I Have been thinking about it a lot, and I think we need two separate tags - one for the object and one for the “surface” (landc

Re: [Tagging] access=disabled

2018-05-17 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 10, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm tagging a 'disabled parking area' - these are fairly common in my country. I know I am just jumping in - but this is also something I am interested in. I know if we have a big parking lot waiting the a

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-24 Thread John Willis
> On May 25, 2018, at 2:29 AM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Interestingly the key:highway wiki page lists unclassified as > the lowest classification of a road: That’s weird - since service=alley seems to be the lowest class, being service and all - yet "alley” is a public road. I personally t

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread John Willis
> On May 26, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > The fix is to add highway=alley, for things that are too small but > nevertheless fit the legal definition of a road, and then have service > be for "place you can drive that is not a legal road". Sounds great to me. If you want to keep s

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread John Willis
> On May 26, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I use highway=service service=driveway for the entire > length of the way, even the end part that is within the government-owned > road parcel. +1 Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@opens

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > It’s not necessary to have a separate landuse area if the government office > is in a single building or shop. In that case the overarching “landuse” is > still retail or commercial. Do they sell "legislation" at a town hall? Doe

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Would you be willing to revive the proposal and get it voted? SelfishSeahorse asked me if he could take over the proposal, and I agreed. There is not much else I can offer other than what I typed in the proposal, though a few yea

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Certainly here in the UK many formerly "civic" services have been privatised > and are run for out-and-out commercial gain Parliament's landuse isn't landuse=retiail, right? You are thinking of *amenities and services* - not buildings

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government > functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable > from commercial properties Why does what the buildings look like matter? Hospita

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > But this discussion is about land usage Yes, and the Civic functions of governing a people are very different than the usage of educating them, treating their health, selling them goods, and manufacturing said goods. We have landuses (or

[Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
I ran into an interesting thing when mapping my local rivers. All of the rivers in my area have levees running 100% of their length from the mountains to the coast, there are probably over 1000 linear KM of earthen levees in the Tokyo region alone - 20mx10m levees (or bigger) along the outer b

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Why should farm be tagged as landuse=religious instead of landuse=farmland > just because it is run by monks? I agree. land used for farming (ie: a big field full of rice, wheat, corn, etc) should be tagged as farmland. A temple grou

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref I cannot find an official name or ref - but I can see their purpose. The next time I am on a cycling survey, I will take a picture of any small plaques they usually put somewhere on a ma

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 6:17 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > I’m not sure I understand why it would be a landuse instead of an amenity tag > on the area, or the other way round? Are landuses supposed to be for larger > areas? landuse areas can be as small as the land for housing plot, a factory buil

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 6:29 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > There is a parallel discussion going on about landuse=civil_administration > which might include smaller areas for individual government offices In my original landuse=Civic proposal, I included all Civic buildings. Later, I split off th

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:47 PM, John Willis wrote: > > Landuse primarily for *services* for the public: libraries, community halls, > fire stations, police stations, etc. I messed up: civic_saftey for all manner of Saftey services. Ambulances, fire, police, ranger, lifeguar

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 22, 2018, at 5:17 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Problem: most assembly points are multi-purpose around here. At least fire > and earthquake. And they are not marked with a purpose. Very true - I think most people assume an assembly point is "safe", as the location is chosen becaus

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-21 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > the important tags here are “religion” and “denomination”, Yep, those are useful, but it doesn't state that they are "operated" by a specific group (the specific temple down the street) - just what is the religion/denomination

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-22 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref? I found a sign cycling today. 奥戸防災ステーション Okudo (village) "Disaster prevention station" The "river" is implied - "river disaster prevention station" is a huge mouthful. The governme

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-09-22 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 22, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Daniele Santini wrote: > > edit the proposal substituting the old tag and values with the new tags or > create a new proposal with the new tags? If you feel the original proposal (or the discussion around it) is valuable, start a new one. If it is of minor or

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-09-23 Thread John Willis
Thanks - I added a small note about the tsunami elevation in the examples. Javbw > On Sep 23, 2018, at 9:14 PM, Daniele Santini wrote: > > Ok, I updated the existing proposal ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstree

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-23 Thread John Willis
Building=retail if it is a purpose-built building for selling stuff ( a chain restaurant, a McDonald's, etc), as it is purpose-built for retail. If it is a rentable location in a mixed use building (shop spaces on the bottom, apartments on the 2nd floor) we have no suitable building tag for the

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-23 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 23, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Anton Klim wrote: > > not levee_repair? Hmm - no one at that location repairs levees. It is a station just to store blocks. I just want it to be unambiguous. Like the difference between car repair and car parking Even then, levee_repair might be good enough

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 5:08 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> There is an attempt to document what a hill is and how its separated from a >> (natural=)peak by separating them on prominence. TL;DR - you are dealing with a very high volume of named “sub-peaks / prominences / whatever-mountaineerin

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 2:15 AM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > I find it kind of unfitting to tag those as building=retail because the > kind of building is almost like a residential one (or like a hotel). the buildings look like a hotel (or was perhaps a hotel in the past) - but if it is just a res

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 9:51 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I don't think it works call each of those local high points on Mt Fuji's > crater a "hill", if they are all at >3000m elevation with steep slopes > dropping >1000 meters down to the valley or plain below. I think it does - becaus

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I am not even sure if restaurants are a type of retail Restaurants sell food. Unless it is an “amenity” that belongs to a larger thing, I assume that all restaurants are building=retail. this is especially true of fast food res

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Piles of sand could also be used for flood control (eg to fill sandbags) Are there permanent mappable locations for such materials - materials purposefully set aside for a single purpose? I always think of sandbags as a make-shift

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > I live in country with long ridges, and almost anything with enough isolation > and a little bit of prominence winds up being a named summit. Yea, long strings of peaks are difficult to deal with. A caldera relation would handle a single

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-25 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Sign posted speeds dont are not telling you "this is the speed which is > safe for 100% of the vehicles" but this is the maximum allowed. > You are still required to drive safely. +1 Even variable speed roads (where the signs change d

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-25 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 26, 2018, at 6:46 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > I don't actually mind 'natural=peak' for any named local maximum > elevation. In so many places, Lumps and bumps are simply not named. But in some places, they are. People who see Mount Fuji every day have no idea all 8 high points on th

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-26 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > be amended with an identical name:xx tag just because xx is the language > spoken in that country! You are very lucky then to not have to deal with the documented tagging scheme of name= , name:en= name:ja= name:ja_rm=, and name:ja_kana=

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-27 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Sep 27, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > How do you determine the height of the saddle / peak? There is a lot of GIS data available for named points. Also, there is a lot of topography available as well, so someone manually mapping certian areas could create a pre

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-27 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 27, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That was the intention. But many mappers are mapping the function of the > building, not the appearance/architecture. TLDR: it's difficult to understand the spirit of building=* as "constructed type" when almost all build

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-10-02 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 2, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > 90% of the land in some western American States will be owned and managed by > some level of government This is not about who is on the operator=* tag on a hundred square miles of grazing lands in Colorado. It is about map

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-08 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > shop=food > + cuisine=local/polish. -1 shop=food is called a market. we have that already. cuisine=* is for restaurants and other non-shop places. amenity=fast_food fast_food=take-n-bake (or whatever is decided: take-n-bake=

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-09 Thread John Willis
sounds like there are several different kinds of shops being discussed - old old “markets”, from before there were super markets or convenience shops. - import/foreign foods shops catering to a local minority population or special cultural interest - “markets” in developing countries. >

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-09 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 4:39 AM, bkil wrote: > > Why is shop=convenience not a proper tag for "the only retail building > in 40 miles radius"? Usually, the small retail shop in a very remote place is tailored to the daily needs of locals and tourists who do activities in that area. they stock g

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-10 Thread John Willis
the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. it needs to be much narrower. it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either. > On Oct 11, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Jmapb wrote: > > > Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on the wiki talk page for shop=deli >

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-11 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > It's much more precise than shop=yes (which is used a lot) and I know > what food is, even if I don't know shop type details. That is true. But it is being used to tag things that should have their own tag value. it’s like if we used bu

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-11 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > Empire Foods", The name doesn't help much either. A convenience store? Food production? (Not a shop) Food distribution? (Not a shop) Is it a greengrocer? A butcher? A supplier of Prepackaged foods sold B2B for convenience stores o

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-11 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 12, 2018, at 4:20 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > There are no "more knowledgeable mappers" in my area. Do what you gotta do - but it shouldn't be the method that is reccommended. Thanks for mapping such remote places, BTW. Javbw. ___ Tagging

[Tagging] opening_hours value question

2018-10-12 Thread John Willis
I am really impressed by the key opening hours https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours However, it is just at my threshold of understanding. I can read the examples and adapt it for my needs. In Japan, I was surprised to see shops that are "closed Tuesdays" or similar. I can tag

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours value question

2018-10-12 Thread John Willis
Thanks to both Marc & Markus. ^___^ Javbw > On Oct 12, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > A useful tool to verify the expressions is > http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/ (is listed on the > page you link) ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:32 AM, SelfishSeahorse > wrote: > > No, landuse=governmental is intended for the land used for organising > a country, state, municipality etc., that is, the 'core functions' of > a country, state, municipality etc., which are administering it, > making rules (la

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 16, 2018, at 7:13 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > How about those "public safety" groups that are manned & operated by unpaid > volunteers, often with minimum (or no) Govt funding? A building dedicated to a volunteer fire department - where they keep the truck and the hoses - is s

[Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question.

2018-10-17 Thread John Willis
How would I map this object? https://www.machigururi.com/spot_detail.php?id=3762 It is a stone tablet memorializing when a small levee failed and washed away part of a hamlet. This is in the park built on top of the levee repair. these kin

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question.

2018-10-17 Thread John Willis
can map them. Javbw > On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Lionel Giard wrote: > > I would use memorial=stele (as it looks like a stele to me). If you go on > wikipedia it looks like some of the "usual" stele : > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stele . > >> Le mer. 17

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-17 Thread John Willis
Thanks, but marker only has seven uses - stele has about 5000. Also- Marker, to me, would be something you would find in the ground with a number or a pole with a number on it, or something based around a ref number or value of some sort (like a mile marker). In the US, a "historical landmark"

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-18 Thread John Willis
We need to update the wiki then, to add further description. There are plenty of tags we use that are uncommon or have incomplete descriptions. My local temple made an erected a stele as-pictured (similar to the Takasaki one) last year. I think it's orgins are ancient, but still "in use" in m

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-10-18 Thread John Willis
Hmm... The active shooter discussion brought up some good things to think about. As far as I know, we are not mapping the evacuation plans of individual buildings with assembly_point. When talking about the schools, we talked about shelters and assembly_points. The pitch at a public school

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-10-19 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:50 AM, bkil wrote: > > There are lots of bomb shelters, although nobody knows how to tag > these. Sounds like you found something that needs a proposal! ^___^ Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

2018-11-05 Thread John Willis
Amenity=immigration They handle visas and passports and other paperwork needs of legal residents. This is not something for guests/tourists, but people (like me) who need to handle paperwork to continue to live in the country. It is the inverse of an embassy. Javbw > On Nov 3, 2018, at 12

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

2018-11-06 Thread John Willis
gration visas, tourist >>> visas or does any type of visa. >>> I would prefer a tag suitable for an office that could do any type of visa, >>> rather than having to find out which particular thing they do. >>> >>> >>>> On 06/11/18 12:3

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

2018-11-07 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government > authority/branch/department/etc > 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa > 3) it is not at an airport/seaport/boarder > 4) the visa is obtained before travel commences. >

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

2018-11-07 Thread John Willis
Is the office full of people who you pay to help you apply? Or are they contracted to be the front-otfice of the agency (acceptance & distribution)? It seems to be the latter. Think of taxes. The office where you submit taxes, and an office where a professional helps you prepare the forms

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

2014-03-07 Thread John Willis
That's true - this is a specific pool, and would be an amenity offered, usually to the public next to the sidewalk out front ( usually anyone walking by can stick them in) not an overall feature - like a drinking fountain. Sometimes they are inside, in a common waiting area, so if you decide not

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-09 Thread John Willis
This ties into my idea for landuse=civic. There is no way to designate the land use for city buildings, etc, except for narrowly defined ones, such as schools. There are courthouses, community centers, public performance venues, and other areas where the buildings have specific tags, but there i

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-12 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Antônio Marcos wrote: > > Are there any other keys that may contain the event area value? There may be > buildings >> I keep insisting that "events" is not a good choice as it is not >> self-explaining, and it is not a description of the place itself but of wha

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-14 Thread John Willis
Since OSM uses British English, what word would you pair with road, as in "dirt road?" Earthen road? Inquiring minds want to know. J Sent from my iPad > On Mar 14, 2014, at 10:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:09 PM, ael wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:34:24A

Re: [Tagging] Driving side

2014-03-22 Thread John Willis
Here in Japan, because of the imports - mostly German or vintage - most toll plazas have a "left hand drive" spot ticket taking and toll collection. I was so surprised to see pics of kei cars in the US. This explains it. As a driver of a kei in Japan, I certainly wouldn't drive it in California,

[Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn lanes and other options in very large intersections. The links are connected exactly where they would logically connect one road to the other for each direction. Recently, I have been using Apple's turn by turn directio

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
Oops, forgot the link. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776&mlon=139.32700#map=19/36.40776/139.32700 Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2014, at 6:14 PM, John Willis wrote: > > I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn > lanes and other

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
> If you want to map lanes you should use another tag. Is there a suggestion for a tag that would be appropriate, or is that a thing lost in proposal purgatory? I am not representing individual lanes, but choices (aka, the two through lanes are a single way). ___

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 Thread John Willis
ions, it seems there is more than I realize. I will try to undo my incorrect edits. J Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2014, at 10:55 PM, fly wrote: > > Am 15.05.2014 11:18, schrieb John Willis:> Oops, forgot the link. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776&mlon=1

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