Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-29 Thread Peter Elderson
rse role and consumers would see > no difference (as long as the reversing stub is included in the route, > with or without a role). It's just a little > less clear to mappers what is going on without that role. > > -- > Paul > > >

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
ontinuous_route? > looped_route? > > > > On 28/05/18 18:24, Peter Elderson wrote: > > I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not too > far off. The waymarks and often available map/leaflet/booklet/description > do indeed bring you back to the

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
> Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
No need to tag the operator, it's just how it's collectively known here. In fact nobody knows or cares who actually takes care of it, as long as it is kept tidy by people in safety vests leaning on gardening gear and operating loud chainsawlike machines. People feel that using all kinds of

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
Op ma 4 jun. 2018 om 23:30 schreef Paul Allen > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > >> No need to tag the operator, it's just how it's collectively known here. >> In fact nobody knows or cares who actually takes care of it, as long as it >

[Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-05-31 Thread Peter Elderson
s which are renewed every year, bushes, low trees which no-one would dare to call a forest, and mixtures. Thy might be bushes one year, grass with flowers next year, and cactus-fields next year because the mayor has visited Mexico. -- Vr gr Peter Elderson __

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-05 Thread Peter Elderson
it will be rendered by at least some. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-05 Thread Peter Elderson
ice topic for > workshop on SOTM :-) > > regards > > > m > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > > landuse=village_green is used a lot. That works fine for grass-covered > > areas, because it's rendered green, but it misinterprets the t

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
Providing a more consistent while still backwards compatible tagging scheme for a feature is not the end of freedom. It just helps to answer the all-time question: how is this done? with an answer that makes more sense. Taggers will adopt it because it makes sense. Op do 7 jun. 2018 12:33

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
nd up some > way from your start point. It may well be possible to return by the same > route, but that would mean covering twice the official distance. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
>>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13 >>>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < >>>> tagging@openstreetmap.org> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ta

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

2018-06-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Or are we making provision for fully autonomous driverless buses, relying > on OSM for guidance to find their correct stops? :-) > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

2018-06-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Don't know the PT scheme, but if you want to route over different transport methods, you'll have to connect the routes somehow. 2018-06-23 10:28 GMT+02:00 Jo : > Op za 23 jun. 2018 om 10:26 schreef Peter Elderson : > >> I think a bus stop node on the bus route is exactly wh

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Peter Elderson
check whatever I missed something. > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list &

Re: [Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

2018-04-26 Thread Peter Elderson
inets and are usually not located on the >>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area. >>> >>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose >>> to revert this change on the wiki. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten >>> ausgenommen) >>> I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) >>> >>> ___ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
're pretty > good about organizing things so as to be unambiguously obvious when you do > and don't have the right of way in regards to nonmotorized traffic. > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1:28 AM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > >> The street is residential, but the exit is over a

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
for preference regarding name tags. If I were a data user, again I would not try to do anything with substrings of a free format string. Which is not the same as being against whatever people may wish to put in it, just you don’t build anything on free format strings. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
/ to - because - is extremely common in names and / is not. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 10 aug. 2018 om 18:24 heeft Paul Allen het volgende > geschreven: > >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >> >> > On 10. Aug 2018, at 15:29, Paul Al

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-11 Thread Peter Elderson
I am not trying to change any accepted local rule. Mvg Peter Elderson Op 11 aug. 2018 om 06:13 heeft Marc Gemis het volgende geschreven: >> I find it hard to understand why some mappers do not want to map reality. >> Unless it's because they wish the street >> signs were

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-11 Thread Peter Elderson
is not a bad idea, I think. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 11 aug. 2018 om 01:14 heeft Jo het volgende > geschreven: > > What if the street sign said: > > St Francis St. > > would you be putting that exactly as is in the name tag? > > I would put > > Saint

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-08 Thread Peter Elderson
ng) > > * spaced slashes: name=Le Rhin / Rhein (shared boundaries) > > > > Greater consistency would surely be advantageous? > > > > -- > > Andy Mabbett > > @pigsonthewing > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > __

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-08 Thread Peter Elderson
tell it to show me > name:en or name:el for whatever I need to see at the time. Rather then > using hyphen, slash or space I propose we use this method for > distinguishing different translations in our naming scheme > ___ > Tagging mailing list >

Re: [Tagging] Stolpersteine tagging scheme problem

2018-08-25 Thread Peter Elderson
I am not sure. Once I get around to it I am sure I can find out by contacting the right people. I think they are also registered as gravestones by the funeral branche. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 25 aug. 2018 om 18:05 heeft Andy Mabbett het > volgende geschreven: > >> On Sat, 25

Re: [Tagging] Stolpersteine tagging scheme problem

2018-08-26 Thread Peter Elderson
tool on their website. Basically, all we need is a list of GPS locations, right? Op za 25 aug. 2018 om 19:38 schreef Peter Elderson : > Done some more reading. Stolpersteine are not just metal plaques on some > brick, they are actually stones placed in the pavement. A Stolperstein is >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-17 Thread Peter Elderson
It would not be that hard to add a precision to a measurement. Any measurement. Maybe there already is a standard method for that? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 17 aug. 2018 om 20:50 heeft SelfishSeahorse > het volgende geschreven: > >> On Friday, August 17, 2018, Christoph

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Peter Elderson
Sure. But is there a standard method to indicate this uncertainty in OSM, which can be processed by data consumers? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 aug. 2018 om 01:35 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > > What you are trying to refer to is 'measu

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Peter Elderson
to data users. I’m just saying that it would not be that hard to find a processable notation for this, and simply asked if it already exists or has been proposed. Agreeing on it is a different matter, especially in OSM circles. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 aug. 2018 om 10:44 heeft Christoph Horm

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
We section long routes because it is very hard, if not impossible to keep big relations intact. Survey info would be entered on manageable sections. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 19 jul. 2018 om 23:41 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > > There is a n

Re: [Tagging] Tagging shared zones?

2018-07-15 Thread Peter Elderson
s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space> > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/taggi

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
) that you can tell at what point in time it did match. Information older than that date (e.g. gpx-tracks) can be discarded, newer information can be entered, and edits after the survey date are new info which should be kept. 2018-07-19 12:14 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > On 19/07/2018 07:50, Pe

[Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
y, I think a simple note would not do the trick. How about a key survey with subkeys survey:date, survey:result, survey:operator, survey:note, -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
. Will it take? I don't know. We'll see. The check system for cycle node network and walking node networks (vmarc.be) works like a charm, so I have good hope) 2018-07-19 17:02 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny : > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:22 AM Peter Elderson > wrote: > > The goal of the id

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
-19 18:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > Thanks for the warning. Of course it is not the idea to delete anything > except when proven wrong. > I meant: information from outside sources, such as gpx-trackings, which > are older then the last completed survey, should not be entered into

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
step to organize this better. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 19 jul. 2018 om 23:06 heeft Philip Barnes het > volgende geschreven: > > > >> On 19 July 2018 20:57:20 BST, Peter Elderson wrote: >> Just saw https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Asurvey%3Adate >> Sinc

[Tagging] RFC - Key: spacing=*

2018-04-18 Thread Peter Elderson
in this case represent actual data. -- Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] RFC - Key: spacing=*

2018-04-18 Thread Peter Elderson
g rows of plants or trees, or orchards. Did some research on that. I'll go into this on the wiki page. I understand that I'm supposed to create a wiki page for the proposal. I might need some help with that, though. -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] tagging cycleable city-models focused on simulating road network

2018-04-23 Thread Peter Elderson
d have a play) but access=private > lets us use amenity anyway (even for NASA's astronaut training facilities). > > -- > Paul > > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > --

Re: [Tagging] tagging cycleable city-models focused on simulating road network

2018-04-23 Thread Peter Elderson
ists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Key: spacing=*

2018-04-23 Thread Peter Elderson
> Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Boot cleaning stations

2018-06-29 Thread Peter Elderson
. If you don't document it then people WILL abuse > your cleansing tag because it's the best fit > they can find (If the boot fits, beatify it). > > -- > Paul > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https:/

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-18 Thread Peter Elderson
, with about >> 10,000 uses. >> >> ^___^ >> >> Javbw >> >> > On Oct 18, 2018, at 4:21 AM, EthnicFood IsGreat < >> ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > memorial=marker >> >&

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-23 Thread Peter Elderson
so have to admit that I find >> Java programs in general are >> not a good fit with how my mind expects things to work and they all give >> me a steeper learning curve >> than non-Java programs. Which means I try not to use them much, which >> means... >> >> --

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-29 Thread Peter Elderson
do this sort of conflation only when resolving >> conflicts or reimporting a particular boundary, so you'll see a lot of >> imported borders up in the Adirondacks that don't use shared ways yet. You >> can still use them as examples of how arbitrarily complex the topology can >>

Re: [Tagging] unmarked crossing, tactile paving, lowered kerbs / was: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread Peter Elderson
I would not tag that as a crossing for pedestrians at all. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 27 okt. 2018 om 00:14 heeft Graeme Fitzpatrick het > volgende geschreven: > >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 01:01, Tom Pfeifer wrote: >> On 26.10.2018 16:41, Robert Skedgell wrote: >&g

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-29 Thread Peter Elderson
then JOSM has it > implemented. > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@o

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Document & distill pedestrian crossing tag hierarchy (via: 2 meaning for crossing=zebra)

2018-10-27 Thread Peter Elderson
Shouldn’t the proposal indicate on which node or way the tags are set in various use cases? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 27 okt. 2018 om 21:26 heeft bkil het volgende > geschreven: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposals/Document_pedestrian_crossing_hierarchy > >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-08 Thread Peter Elderson
ator" of the road. > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

2018-11-15 Thread Peter Elderson
ssion on the matter: > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-October/thread.html#19775 > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/804 > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2068 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/di

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

2018-09-03 Thread Peter Elderson
rs and grasses? > > For what its worth, I’ve been tagging them with landcover=grass though > that is not exactly correct and it is not purely grass as there are usually > a bunch of flowing plants intermixed. > > Cheers! > > > ___

Re: [Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

2018-09-02 Thread Peter Elderson
How many routes are ciclopedonale in Italy? I have seen one in 8 days of cycling though Northern Italia, and it was a way or connection rather than a marked/named route. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 2 sep. 2018 om 16:13 heeft Jo het volgende geschreven: > > My reaction was to how I

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-22 Thread Peter Elderson
you think I should write up a formal proposal for this tag? > >> > > > > Yes to documenting it. > > > > The evaluation of 'prominence' would be to some local area .. what is the > > size of that area? > > > > > > Some will say a formal proposal is 'best'. It is up to you to decide > what is > > 'best'. > > But by all means discuss it here. > > > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-26 Thread Peter Elderson
guarantee that, for an ordinary vehicle > traveling under ordinary conditions, the speed is reasonable. An > unsigned speed limit, on the other hand, does *not* carry that > guarantee. > > -- > Mark > > ___ >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-27 Thread Peter Elderson
listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-12-31 Thread Peter Elderson
jul. 2018 om 23:58 schreef Peter Elderson : > We section long routes because it is very hard, if not impossible to keep > big relations intact. Survey info would be entered on manageable sections. > > Mvg Peter Elderson > > > Op 19 jul. 2018 om 23:41 heeft Warin <61sundow..

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-01 Thread Peter Elderson
gt; > Dave > > PS: Happy New Year 2019 > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:52 PM Tobias Wrede wrote: > >> Hi eveyone, >> >> Am 21.12.2018 um 19:55 schrieb Peter Elderson: >> > Well, in Nederland I'm through, got them all. To initiate a rendering >> >

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-02 Thread Peter Elderson
thought? Op wo 2 jan. 2019 om 19:44 schreef Kevin Kenny : > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:13 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > > Sometimes it would, sometimes it would not. If the node actually > represents the start of the trail, it is already in the relation because it > is part of the w

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-02 Thread Peter Elderson
I agree. That is not suggested. Op wo 2 jan. 2019 om 19:05 schreef Jo : > Please don't add public transport stops to hiking route relations. That > would be really confusing. > > Polyglot > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:39 PM Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> Peter: &

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-02 Thread Peter Elderson
Small addition about this remark: "What I don't understand is why the highway tag is used to carry the information. The way you have mapped the trailheads Peter I would leave them under some subkey of information, e.g. tourism=information + information=board + board_type=trailhead." S

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-02 Thread Peter Elderson
or the TOP in Groenlo where all the routes start. Op do 3 jan. 2019 om 00:36 schreef Kevin Kenny : > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:58 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > Designated starting point for multiple routes into a nature area. There > is a designed marking pole or stele, information bo

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-02 Thread Peter Elderson
trail let alone to any other highway=* feature. Often > there wasn't even a tagged route/trail nearby. As such I understand the > hw=trailhead is important to find such trail on the map in the first > place if the trail itself is not or cannot be mapped. > > What I don't understand is wh

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2019-01-03 Thread Peter Elderson
tive and robust (of course, that should be the case >> anyway!). >> >> cheers >> Richard >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Tagging-f5258744.html >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-02 Thread Peter Elderson
just not systematically. Now they have all been mapped. Op do 3 jan. 2019 om 04:07 schreef Kevin Kenny : > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:26 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > The minimum requirements here are: free parking space, some kind of > landmark, at least 2 bicycle routes and tw

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-03 Thread Peter Elderson
ark Wagner : > On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:57:04 +0100 > Peter Elderson wrote: > > > Copying from an earlier response: Designated starting point for > > multiple routes into a nature area. There is a designed marking pole > > or stele, information boards, seats or benches, fr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2019-01-03 Thread Peter Elderson
12:44 schreef Richard Fairhurst : > Peter Elderson wrote: > > I just did some work on a hierarchy of hiking routes. Can't be done with > > Id or Potlatch > > What specifically can't be done in P2? > > Richard > > > > -- > Sent from: http://gis

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-05 Thread Peter Elderson
Wrede : > Am 04.01.2019 um 18:18 schrieb Peter Elderson: > > Let's agree to agree! > > Op vr 4 jan. 2019 om 16:52 schreef Kevin Kenny : > >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:30 AM Peter Elderson >> wrote: >> > I'm trying to go for the minimal tagging that suppo

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-05 Thread Peter Elderson
posts, and designed/designated and named for the purpose of accessing various routes and trails. If someone made a POI map or POI list for hikers and maybe a router app for hikers, you would want these locations showed/listed/routed as well. Op za 5 jan. 2019 om 12:36 schreef Tobias Wrede : > Am

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-05 Thread Peter Elderson
, and a place to get refreshments. The name is a separate board. Their is parking space. The information baord and guideposts direct the users to the routes, including the named hiking trail Hertogenpad. Op za 5 jan. 2019 om 12:36 schreef Tobias Wrede : > Am 03.01.2019 um 00:57 schrieb Pe

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
at this moment, I see no basis for recommended further tagging, just the one basic node. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 20:25 schreef Jmapb : > On 1/16/2019 12:56 PM, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:28 PM Peter Elderson > >&g

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
trailheads explicitly named Trailhead, so I assumed that these are called trailheads in at least one flavour of the English language. None of those are Dutch. I plan to add one Dutch example, as soon as I find out how to add a photo to the gallery. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 19:06

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
will be mapped in the near future. -- Fr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 22:16 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 20:07, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> Your proposal looks good. I would vote "yes" on it.

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Most trailheads I have seen mapped have a name that contains the trail/track/route name. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:trailhead#Photos Fr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 22:50 schreef Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > in my experience,

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Op 17 jan. 2019 om 01:14 heeft Kevin Kenny het volgende geschreven: > > I'd say, by all means you should map the name if the trailhead has a > specific name that refers to it. Putting the name of the trail, the > name of the park, or the name of a nearby geographic feature on the > trailhead

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Currently, 1188 trailheads have a name tag in OSM. A few hundred have no name tag. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op do 17 jan. 2019 om 01:35 schreef Peter Elderson : > Op 17 jan. 2019 om 01:14 heeft Kevin Kenny het > volgende geschreven: > > > > I'd say, by all means you s

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-15 Thread Peter Elderson
, and if there is a flow it can be either way. Bonne chance, mappers! Fr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 17:11 schreef Tod Fitch : > > On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 15:22, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> At what size is

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-15 Thread Peter Elderson
At what size is it that a ditch turns into a drain? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 14:28 schreef Eugene Podshivalov : > The confusion is mainly in the difference between irrigation canals vs > irrigation ditches and drainage diches vs drains. > > In practice wid

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Peter Elderson
visibly designed to start hiking or riding on one or more routes. Let’s talk additional and localised tagging after this basic step. Did I hear you menton “consensus”? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 14 jan. 2019 om 17:24 heeft Tobias Wrede het > volgende geschreven: > >> Am 11.01.2019 u

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Peter Elderson
I agree. I never meant to exclude any significant path to a trail, even if it’s ‘ just’ a path, it can of course be significant because it’s the only access point in miles, even if it has no official name, and that’s precisely why I keep saying it’s up to the mappers. Mvg Peter Elderson >

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Peter Elderson
Vr gr Peter Elderson Landcover tag now approaches 100 000 occurrences. Still growing despite not being rendered. I would think rendering the top three landcover values is not out of place. The github issues are still there. Initially: landcover=trees same rendering as natural=wood and landuse

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 00:41 schreef Dave Swarthout : > Kevin said: > I'm therefore going to stick with 'designated or customary place to > begin or end a trip on a trail.' > > Me too. I've mapped many such trailheads in Alaska and almost everybody I > kn

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Peter Elderson
This is great, thanks! It doesn't have to be a wikitable. I am already using it! Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 00:45 schreef Jan Macura : > > > (...) Next step: creating a webpage which lists (a selection of ) walking >> route relations sorted by survey:date a

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-19 Thread Peter Elderson
. Other countries, different guidelines, I'm sure. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 18 jan. 2019 om 11:54 schreef Tobias Wrede : > While you clearly > also have to enter a node network somewhere I see them more as a general > navigation aid than

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Peter Elderson
would gladly see the landcover key recognised and rendered for the three main values. Only then, discuss the main landuse key values and modifyers again. Else, we're just repeating the same discussion over and over. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 23 jan. 2019 om 04:50 schreef Warin <61sun

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Peter Elderson
of the landcover key for the three main values: trees, grass and scrub. Then, bump the issues with the main renderers and editors. How to do that is not for this list, you are absolutely right about that. Only after that step, rediscuss the landuse key. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 23 jan. 2019 om 08

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-21 Thread Peter Elderson
, along with several others could not yet confirm. If you would check the lot (please do!) i'm sure you would find some more questionable ones. That's OSM. Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 19:56 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 21/12/2018 18:12, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > The route starting poin

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-21 Thread Peter Elderson
a few examples of what trailheads are to you? There's a > clearly defined American concept, it isn't not really used much in British > English. Also what do you mean by "official" below - is there some kind of > VVV list or similar? > > Best Regards, > > Andy > On 2

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-21 Thread Peter Elderson
les of what trailheads are to you? There's a > clearly defined American concept, it isn't not really used much in British > English. Also what do you mean by "official" below - is there some kind of > VVV list or similar? > > Best Regards, > > Andy > On 21/12/20

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-23 Thread Peter Elderson
, it isn't not really used much in British > English. Also what do you mean by "official" below - is there some kind of > VVV list or similar? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Andy > > > > On 21/12/2018 11:54, Peter Elderson wrote: > > >

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-21 Thread Peter Elderson
leading into a nature area to be a trailhead. A verifyable name would be required, at least. Op vr 21 dec. 2018 om 16:25 schreef Kevin Kenny : > On 21/12/2018 11:54, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> I would like to revive the trailhead proposal, > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-21 Thread Peter Elderson
12:54:35 +0100 > > From: Peter Elderson > > To: Tagging list OSM > > Subject: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging > > > > > > I would like to revive the trailhead proposal, > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/trailhead > > > &g

Re: [Tagging] Walking route on a beach

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Elderson
us route. > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Walking route on a beach

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Elderson
mply a 'path' but it does get > > some indication of the continuous route. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.opens

Re: [Tagging] Walking route on a beach

2018-12-19 Thread Peter Elderson
; > > My preference is for B as that does not imply a 'path' but it does get > > some indication of the continuous route. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-26 Thread Peter Elderson
rn Sahara", although it doesn't define its borders here. > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Peter Elderson
t I wrote a couple of days ago, after I saw that > Peter was struggling to come up with a trailhead definition that fits > all the "TOP"s. > > We have on one hand trailheads (for which we seem to have a consensus) > and on the other hand TOPs, which sometimes fit th

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Where can I find that discussion / decision? Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 10:16 schreef Marc Gemis : > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:20 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > The wikipedia page is not a list, it is a description of what a TOP is > in Nederland. A wiki page about

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Peter Elderson
No it’s not. Please rethink your analogy. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 10 jan. 2019 om 13:34 heeft Marc Gemis het volgende > geschreven: > > On the wiki page for the Wikipedia tag [1] > > "only provide links to articles which are 'about the feature'. A link > from St

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Peter Elderson
What you ask has been given repeatedly here in this discussion. Please do not make me repeat everything again. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 10 jan. 2019 om 13:39 heeft Marc Gemis het volgende > geschreven: > > When I said "struggle", I mean that you still haven'

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-04 Thread Peter Elderson
d like not to go principle and exact definition about this, and just take the practical approach: If a place fits the very general description I suggested, then if a mapper sees fit, (s)he may use the trailhead tag. I'm sure the local/regional community will moderate if necessary, to ensure t

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-04 Thread Peter Elderson
with the in depth discussion of all aspects, nothing's gonna happen. Op vr 4 jan. 2019 om 13:55 schreef Marc Gemis : > On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:10 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > > > > > Op do 3 jan. 2019 om 13:22 schreef Marc Gemis : > >> > >> I wonder why

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2019-01-03 Thread Peter Elderson
First point: you are right and again, I am sorry. Second: What about the same question without the “easily”? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 3 jan. 2019 om 13:10 heeft Richard Fairhurst het > volgende geschreven: > > Peter Elderson wrote: >> Sorry, I assumed Potlatch would work app

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