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Trying to keep here only what is relevant to initial request.
Starting new threads for side topics.
previous proposals:
- armed_forces
- army.
- military
- military_vehicles
- military_personnel
cannot be military because that key is taken
First: Shame that namespace is not
2014-12-04 16:29 GMT+01:00 althio forum althio.fo...@gmail.com:
Second choice: I would like military. Is the overload of the key
such a no-go...
Third: I'll go for military_vehicles.
+1
actually I am not completely sure about the overload problem, because we
already do it elsewhere (might
Am 04.12.2014 um 16:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
2014-12-04 16:29 GMT+01:00 althio forum althio.fo...@gmail.com
mailto:althio.fo...@gmail.com:
Second choice: I would like military. Is the overload of the key
such a no-go...
Third: I'll go for military_vehicles.
+1
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 17:23 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2014-12-02 15:04 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
I would suggest the tag private_hire.
thank you, that sounds good and superficial internet search confirms
that we are talking about the same kind of
On 2014-12-03 at 06:35:29 +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote:
Are there really road signs with addional plates listing all of that stuff?
often, yes
How big are those signs, and how long does it take for a driver to read them?
enought time that you just don't stop to read them and assume that
Are there really road signs with additional plates listing all of that
stuff?
Some egregious example from Poland:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0661474,19.9390468,3a,41.6y,230.88h,84.66t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-rGw0-IoKZGQKjyZKeRl0Q!2e0?hl=en
How big are those signs, and how long does it take for
W dniu 2014-12-03 11:02, Mateusz Konieczny pisze:
Are there really road signs with additional plates listing all of
that stuff?
Some egregious example from Poland:
https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0661474,19.9390468,3a,41.6y,230.88h,84.66t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-rGw0-IoKZGQKjyZKeRl0Q!2e0?hl=en
2014-12-02 21:05 GMT+01:00 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl:
On 02/12/2014 14:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
In short, I think we should add more access classes to the wiki:
- armed_forces=yes/no etc. (identifier cannot be military because that
key is taken)
I think military_personnel=* is
2014-12-03 6:35 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at:
I guess that these regulations are not done by explicit listing, but by
definition of ZTLs in the laws. So all you need is a tag like highway=ztl
or
highway=pedestrian+pedestrian=ztl, and some comment on the default access
page.
Long post to follow so this is a short version.
too long; didn't read [TL;DR]:
(1) proposing tagging for zone like ZTL:
highway/zone:traffic=IT:limited_traffic_zone
(2) proposing access=authorised
(3) I don't like acronyms
(4) attempt to modify access categories and labels
Long post:
Old
2014-12-03 12:35 GMT+01:00 althio forum althio.fo...@gmail.com:
Long post to follow so this is a short version.
(1) proposing tagging for zone like ZTL:
highway/zone:traffic=IT:limited_traffic_zone
there is actually a proposal for this kind of zone, to be mapped as a
polygon, useful e.g.
Appearantly nobody cares for access any more?
Maybe my mail was too long, or you got the impression that this was
referring to Italy only.
In short, I think we should add more access classes to the wiki:
- armed_forces=yes/no etc. (identifier cannot be military because that
key is taken)
-
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
- public_utility (this was referred to as public administration in my
original mail, but has now been corrected after I found the actual legal
text [1]).
these include: public bodies / statutory corporations and
On Tue Dec 02 2014 13:48:56 GMT+ (GMT), Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Appearantly nobody cares for access any more?
Maybe my mail was too long, or you got the impression that this was
referring to Italy only.
In short, I think we should add more access classes to the wiki:
-
2014-12-02 15:04 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
I would suggest the tag private_hire.
thank you, that sounds good and superficial internet search confirms that
we are talking about the same kind of service. Would you agree that those
aren't a part of psv?
On 02/12/2014 14:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
In short, I think we should add more access classes to the wiki:
- armed_forces=yes/no etc. (identifier cannot be military because that
key is taken)
I think military_personnel=* is better. Armed forces in my opinion
refers to the entire
On 24.11.2014 12:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
We are currently trying on the Italian mailing list to get a good tagging
for the ZTL (zona a traffico limitato - limited traffic zone), which do
exist in various Italian cities and are not LEZ (low emmission zones)
because the latter according
We are currently trying on the Italian mailing list to get a good tagging
for the ZTL (zona a traffico limitato - limited traffic zone), which do
exist in various Italian cities and are not LEZ (low emmission zones)
because the latter according to the wiki and external definitions are zones
which
2014/1/15 martinq osm-mart...@fantasymail.de
in service was (and is) not required by the definition description of
the psv tag or the taxi. Only in bus it was mixed in (acting as a
public service).
in service is implicit in public service vehicle, because if they are
not in service they
Nobody uses the archaic word omnibus these days. You may as well
suggest replacing car with horseless carriage.
I really think we are trying to square a circle here. There are
irreconcilable differences between countries, and we should not waste
our energy in a war of attrition. Whether a
2014/1/16 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
Nobody uses the archaic word omnibus these days.
this is not a real problem, rather it might be a benefit, because it will
avoid people using the term and guessing about the meaning.
You may as well suggest replacing car with horseless carriage.
On 2014-01-16 17:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2014/1/16 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
If the semantics of a tag/value are different by country, let us just
document the standards for that country and move on.
I'd prefer to use a different tag then, because that's what tagging
Hi,
I think this is in danger of getting too technical.
As a for instance; a taxi in the UK is actually legally classed as a
'hackney carriage'. However it normally carries a sign saying 'taxi' and
in general terms everyone knows what a taxi in the UK is. The driver, if
employed as a 'taxi
I have interpreted psv (public service VEHICLE), bus and taxi as
vehicle categories in the past, but never required these keys in my
area.
So for me an empty taxi is allowed on taxi=yes.
it is not a question whether it is empty or not (it might be going to
pick up someone) but
On 1/15/14 2:24 PM, martinq wrote:
because of the JOSM turn restriction plugin? What about changing that
plugin?
no, the argument for depreciation was: There is no need for this
artificial group: Grouping taxi (both in service as well as not in
service) with only those buses acting as public
2014/1/13 martinq osm-mart...@fantasymail.de
I have interpreted psv (public service VEHICLE), bus and taxi as vehicle
categories in the past, but never required these keys in my area.
So for me an empty taxi is allowed on taxi=yes.
it is not a question whether it is empty or not (it might
I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the vehicle classes
section to the section by use, because that's what it is.
I agree. (Usage, that relies on the current hierarchy should be limited to
non-existent)
Country differences again. Around here (Finland) all signs(* refer to just
2014/1/13 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi
Country differences again. Around here (Finland) all signs(* refer to just
vehicles registered as a bus, even those that allow buses and taxis on
their own lanes. Effectively nobody would try to use a personal bus
anyway, because the extra
Hi,
I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the
vehicle classes section to the section by use, because that's
what it is.
maybe that is what it should have been in the past.
Sadly the actual use in real world tagging seems to interpret bus also
as vehicle
Hi,
sorry, made a mistake:
2) If other restrictions (maxweight or - more precisely - maxgcweight,
maxgcweightrating or maxactualweight) are made conditional, we need an
update of our conditional tagging, for example by introducing use:
Of course this is already possible in conditional
On 1/13/14 1:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
psv reads public service vehicle, clearly a use type. e.g. busses
is correct as is i.e. busses and taxis (but the latter might forget
some other kind of psv). Still this clearly doesn't include any buses
(vehicle class, usually vehicles with more
2014/1/13 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
we may need to spend some time on this. the turn restriction
plugin for josm uses psv, but seemingly with the implication of
emergency/service vehicles (not including buses and taxis) for
things like u-turns on motorways.
i think we need some
On 1/13/14 2:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2014/1/13 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
we may need to spend some time on this. the turn restriction
plugin for josm uses psv, but seemingly with the implication of
emergency/service vehicles (not including buses and taxis) for
things
Obvious issue: 200,000 uses of bus...
OK, probably most of them are associated with public_transport (e.g. bus
stops). So the number of bus related access-restrictions is probably
much lower.
martinq
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I started mapping in Jan 2008. By that time it was already clear that
psv was taxis and buses. If we start questioning every consensus (even
those documented on central pages of the wiki like the access-page) we
can stop mapping now ;-)
I have interpreted psv (public service VEHICLE), bus and
2014/1/9 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com
2014/1/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the vehicle
classes section to the section by use, because that's what it is.
I agree. (Usage, that relies on the current hierarchy should be
I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the vehicle
classes section to the section by use, because that's what it is.
page for reference:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
cheers,
Martin
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2014/1/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
I propose to move psv (including taxi and bus) from the vehicle
classes section to the section by use, because that's what it is.
I agree. (Usage, that relies on the current hierarchy should be limited to
non-existent)
And maybe it is time
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