Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Please keep in mind that round-trip is in considerable use to describe the overall geometry of cycling and hiking routes. Don't change the meaning. On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 11:09 Peter Elderson, wrote: > True! I have seen a few educational or theme routes that way. In that > case it's meant to be

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

True! I have seen a few educational or theme routes that way. In that case it's meant to be a roundtrip, or you make a roundtrip using the same way back by necessity. Regular linear hikes are not meant to be used as roundtrips, though you could go back the same way of course. I would use

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 23/12/19 18:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 22. Dec 2019, at 16:43, Peter Elderson wrote: A linear walking route marked in both directions is not a roundtrip. You're not guided to turn around at the end and return to the start. there are cases where it’s

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

sent from a phone > On 22. Dec 2019, at 16:43, Peter Elderson wrote: > > A linear walking route marked in both directions is not a roundtrip. You're > not guided to turn around at the end and return to the start. there are cases where it’s unavoidable, because there is only one way.

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Good point. I would say roundtrip is the service provided. But if a route is designed for roundtrip service i.e. if you remain seated you end up at the starting point, roundtrip becomes an attribute of the route. However, most PT allows you to book or perform a roundtrip. Because even if you get

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

> > If following the route marking you will get back to start... It's a circular > route. > As previously stated you could find marking on both directions and be a > single line straight and then reverse. > With old wiki definition this is Roundtrip=no... Now it is Roundtrip=yes > Seems sane to

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

3 240 (10%) objects with rountrip=3 also have public_transport:version=* ex https://www.ratp.fr/plans-lignes/noctilien/n01 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1083331 Le 22.12.19 à 11:57, Peter Elderson a écrit : > For PT, roundtrip is not an attribute of the route > >> Op 21 dec. 2019 om

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il dom 22 dic 2019, 11:59 Peter Elderson ha scritto: > For PT, roundtrip is not an attribute of the route, it's a type of ticket > or it's what you use the transport for. You can do a roundtrip on a > circular line, but also on non-circular lines or mostly non-circular with a > loop at the end,

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For PT, roundtrip is not an attribute of the route, it's a type of ticket or it's what you use the transport for. You can do a roundtrip on a circular line, but also on non-circular lines or mostly non-circular with a loop at the end, whatever. To express that a PT route is circular, I think

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 21/12/19 21:25, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: And with existing tags how you describe it? I don't. Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > ha scritto: On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Dear Volker, I saw that someone

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

I always thought that routrip=yes was an alternative when there is no start and end point to enter in from=* to=* key. Otherwise circular routes with a known start/end point can enter as from=A via=B to=A. ___ Tagging mailing list

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 14:43, Phake Nick wrote: > Reminder 1: There are loops within bus route doesn't mean the route is a > circular or round trip route. > Fully agreed. That's why I am saying we need to alok at this with a bit of calm. There plenty of diferent route toplogies Reminder 2: The

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Reminder 1: There are loops within bus route doesn't mean the route is a circular or round trip route. Reminder 2: The roundtrip=* key is designed to use in combination with hiking routes or bicycle routes. A hiking/bicyle route that goes A→B→A which come back with the same start point with exact

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il sab 21 dic 2019, 12:33 Volker Schmidt ha scritto: > This is missing the point. > I only want to point out that apparently roundtrip=yes without any > additional tagging is being used as meaning "this route is a loop" and > "round-trip=no" as meaning it's an A-to-b route. This should remain

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

This is missing the point. I only want to point out that apparently roundtrip=yes without any additional tagging is being used as meaning "this route is a loop" and "round-trip=no" as meaning it's an A-to-b route. This should remain valid. And let us consider how to cater for other cases. Any

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

And with existing tags how you describe it? Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > Dear Volker, > > I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: > > Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Dear Volker, I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are at the same location. I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and it's fine for both

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Dear Volker, I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are at the same location. I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and it's fine for both definitions. My last offer is to abandon the closed_loop

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Please revert the roundtrip wiki change, but let's put any other wiki-changes on halt for a moment. What we need to do is to find out how the roundtrip tag is being used (the wiki is suposed to document the actual use, not what the use should be) and in particular if there is a more-than sporadic

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

In my opinion the options are: - deprecate roundtrip in favour of 2 tags with a generally agreed naming convention (best at this point) - keep roundtrip and closed_loop with the wiki definition I did change (relations must be updated accordingly) I read many of you asked a revert, I just want to

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote: Merriam Webster and some other resources you have quoted are dictionary for American English, not the variant of English used by OSM. Posts by original author of the topic on the wiki talk page have explained the meaning of the term in British English.

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 20/12/19 17:18, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Il ven 20 dic 2019, 01:16 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > ha scritto: On 20/12/19 10:15, Chris Hill wrote: I have been a native British English speaker for about sixty years. A trip from A to B and then

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il ven 20 dic 2019, 01:16 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 20/12/19 10:15, Chris Hill wrote: > > I have been a native British English speaker for about sixty years. A trip > from A to B and then back to A, either on a fully reversed route or an > alternative route, would could be

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il ven 20 dic 2019, 04:21 Graeme Fitzpatrick ha scritto: > > > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 10:37, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> it’s in the “back again”, makes it likely you take the same way. >> > > Sorry, Martin, not at all. I do a weekly round trip of ~38 klm - roughly > 13 k down & 15 k

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

I think roundtrip is not about the route taken, but about the transport taking you somewhere, you do your thing there, then transport back to where you started. It's more like a service kind of thing. I don't use it when the relation shows exactly what the route is. I only find it useful to

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 10:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > it’s in the “back again”, makes it likely you take the same way. > Sorry, Martin, not at all. I do a weekly round trip of ~38 klm - roughly 13 k down & 15 k back, mainly because I leave the Motorway at exit 92 but have to come back on

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 20/12/19 11:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 20. Dec 2019, at 01:16, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Oxford Dictionary (usually taken as a good source for UK English): a journey to a place and back again it’s in the “back again”, makes it likely you take the

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2019, at 01:16, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oxford Dictionary (usually taken as a good source for UK English): a journey > to a place and back again it’s in the “back again”, makes it likely you take the same way. The word “Rundweg” which

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 20/12/19 10:15, Chris Hill wrote: I have been a native British English speaker for about sixty years. A trip from A to B and then back to A, either on a fully reversed route or an alternative route, would could be described as a round trip. There is certainly no element of a curved or

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

I have been a native British English speaker for about sixty years. A trip from A to B and then back to A, either on a fully reversed route or an alternative route, would could be described as a round trip. There is certainly no element of a curved or looping route required to make it a round

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Merriam Webster and some other resources you have quoted are dictionary for American English, not the variant of English used by OSM. Posts by original author of the topic on the wiki talk page have explained the meaning of the term in British English. 在 2019年12月20日週五 06:19，Francesco Ansanelli

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il gio 19 dic 2019, 23:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 20/12/19 01:16, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > I have updated the roundtrip page and created the closed loop proposal > > in order to address the misuse of the first tag: > >

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 20/12/19 01:16, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Dear List, I have updated the roundtrip page and created the closed loop proposal in order to address the misuse of the first tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roundtrip

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

If a route ends where it begins, it's a roundtrip, but you don't need to tag that because it's in the relation. The only thing I find useful is tagging roundtrip=yes when the route is not a true closed loop, but still catalogues for hikers as a roundtrip, even though it may have branches and

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

sent from a phone > On 19. Dec 2019, at 22:16, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > you have changed the meaning of the tag from inluding the possibility of a > loop to exluding it. it may be too early to change definitions, but previous discussions have shown that there was confusion about the

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 21:45, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > > Il gio 19 dic 2019, 21:28 Phake Nick ha scritto: > >> The current usage is that, "Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that the start >> and finish of the route are at the same location". As in a route from Paris >> to Milano to Frankfurt

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il gio 19 dic 2019, 21:28 Phake Nick ha scritto: > The current usage is that, "Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that the start > and finish of the route are at the same location". As in a route from Paris > to Milano to Frankfurt then back to Paris would be tagged as roundtrip=yes. > You have

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

The current usage is that, "Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that the start and finish of the route are at the same location". As in a route from Paris to Milano to Frankfurt then back to Paris would be tagged as roundtrip=yes. You have edited the wiki against established usage to make it become a

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Dear Volker, I haven't change the meaning of Roundtrip, but just reworded to clarify it. Roundtrip yes is not a closed loop... Please check this discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip#loop Cheers Francesco Il gio 19 dic 2019, 15:40 Volker Schmidt ha scritto: >

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Please relable your "roundtrip" proposal as such. Please do not change the meaning of an established tag. roundtrip=yes|no is used about 34k times, based on a different definition, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations Volker On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 15:18, Francesco

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

> > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 14:46:09 +0200 > From: Peter Elderson > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] roundtrip > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; ch

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Nice to know. Do they have "trailheads" as well? That is, areas with amenities like parking space, bicycle clamps, toilets, guideposts, infoboards, ice cream vending spot, waste containers, horse food dispenser, soda machines, blister service, ... well, some of of those anyway, clearly meant as

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> > > > I agree that it sounds round, but looking at google results I find that > this use of circular route is extremely common. > > That doesn't surprise me in the context of hiking/cycling trails (I am not commenting on public transport). A specific example I am familiar with: the national

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sent from a phone > On 28. May 2018, at 11:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at least > some are not round. > continuous_route? > looped_route? continuous is less clear, loop might be ok, but circular_route IMHO

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or other alternative way round an intermediate section of the route. From: Warin [mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com] Sent: mandag 28. mai 2018 11.04 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] roundtrip I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at least some

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h as far as I can tell you haven’t answered, >>>>> is: Does that same vehicle, after completing its route, start at the >>>>> beginning of the same route again? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Based on your description,

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

ent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13 *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip An example of a (bus) route that g

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at E, stay on the vehicle, and get off at B? (In which >>>> case I would expect that after finishing at A2, the vehicle goes to A1, and >>>> you can remain on board during that time. A2 may be (but doesn’t have to) >>>> an “exit only” and A1 and “entry only” stop).

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Can I get on at E, stay on the vehicle, and get off at B? (In which case >>> I would expect that after finishing at A2, the vehicle goes to A1, and you >>> can remain on board during that time. A2 may be (but doesn’t have to) an >>> “exit only” and A1 and “entry only” stop). >&g

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; >> >> If yes, then it is roundtrip=yes. And you shouldn’t just remove an >> existing tag that actually applies. >> >> If no, then the roundtrip=yes is wrong and should be removed. >> >> >> >> *From:* Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> &g

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t;winfi...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip > > > > An example of a (bus) route that goes out and comes back to the same

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ove an existing tag that actually applies. If no, then the roundtrip=yes is wrong and should be removed. From: Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

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An example of a (bus) route that goes out and comes back to the same location. It's not circle shaped at all, but that shouldn't matter for circular route. I removed roundtrip=yes and replaced it with circular_route=yes closed_loop=no If the last way wouldn't be in there, closed_loop would be

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: > I wish you a happy trip on that bus, hope it has toilets and a tolerable > coffee machine > Oh, you sweet, summer child. Someone's never tried to take a suburban route in the US, even in a "transit oriented" American

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:23 AM, wrote: > I interpret roundtrip as “you can get from a stop to another stop that’s * > *before** it in the list of stops by simply remaining in the vehicle”. > That's how I interpret it as well. Tulsa Transit route 222 seems

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

From: Philip Barnes Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2018 03:53 I enjoy linear walks from a to b as you can cover more ground, or at least more diverse ground, 2.pi.r and all that. Generally they involve public transport for one of two parts but its still a round trip. Bus from

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > Well, for PT I have no opinion whether tagging roundtrip is applicable. > But how would you tag the London hop-on tours... Again, no opinion. > After having a quick look at some of them, then roundtrip is not

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I enjoy linear walks from a to b as you can cover more ground, or at least more diverse ground, 2.pi.r and all that. Generally they involve public transport for one of two parts but its still a round trip. Bus from A to B, walk from B to C, train from C to A. If using trains you can even take

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Well, for PT I have no opinion whether tagging roundtrip is applicable. But how would you tag the London hop-on tours... Again, no opinion. For hiking & cycling it is important for data users to know if you return at the start when you just follow the waymarks. It's a major selection/ordering

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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > I do a lot of one-day walking trips with groups... they actually fit quite > nicely with your descriptions. The route usually ends where it starts. You > have a fixed order of POI's, one or more planned stops at fixed

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I do a lot of one-day walking trips with groups... they actually fit quite nicely with your descriptions. The route usually ends where it starts. You have a fixed order of POI's, one or more planned stops at fixed locations, and they (the others or the group leader) get upset when someone is not

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > Still thinking... > If in British English round trip just means you start at A, go to B, do > all kinds of things in between or not, then later return at A, no matter if > it's via the same route or a different route,

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about > the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical > arrangements. While American English adds the actual route and the

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Still thinking... If in British English round trip just means you start at A, go to B, do all kinds of things in between or not, then later return at A, no matter if it's via the same route or a different route, as long as it's in one go: then a waymarked "circular" foot or bicycle route actually

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical arrangements. While American English adds the actual route and the priceing. To me, this means that the roundtrip key (if at all useful) is not applicable

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

we are now mostly speaking about bus routes, but this property could also be interesting for walking and cycling routes. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle, > because when you book or buy a round trip, most of the time you have a > different vehicle for the return trip. > You've strayed into the

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

> A vehicle that goes from A > to B, then returns along the reverse route to A, is said in British > English to perform a "round trip". When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle, because when you book or buy a round trip, most of the time you have a different vehicle

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I'm good with that if there is no major objection. 2018-05-26 12:45 GMT+02:00 Jo : > For validation purposes it would be interesting to know if the ways in the > route relation are supposed to form a closed loop. Can we adopt > closed_loop=yes for that use case? > > Polyglot

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Le 26. 05. 18 à 12:10, Peter Elderson a écrit : > the correct meaning considering the great diversity of interpretation of this tag, what is in your opinion the correct meaning? when should roundtrip changed in circular ? and when not ? > route:circular=yes with this kind of key, I have the

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

For validation purposes it would be interesting to know if the ways in the route relation are supposed to form a closed loop. Can we adopt closed_loop=yes for that use case? Polyglot 2018-05-26 12:10 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > I would like to wrap this up, without a

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I would like to wrap this up, without a formal proposal process, if there is no fundamental objection. Afterwards, I will announce it in the Dutch community and arrange the re-tagging of existing usage. I suggest: * Update the wiki page for key: roundtrip, to reflect the correct meaning, and

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On 25/05/18 21:31, Peter Elderson wrote: It's an example. But we are not alone... Same in Sydney Australia - billed on entry and exit points .. not on how long you have been inside the  transport system system. Some 'homeless' use it as a warm dry resting place, doing long round trips.

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sent from a phone > On 25. May 2018, at 13:43, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > This seems badly named, or badly described. A vehicle that goes from A > to B, then returns along the reverse route to A, is said in British > English to perform a "round trip". from what I

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As to the term roundtrip, I have inderstood this completely wrong, probably because the Dutch term Rondwandeling literally translates as roundtrip. Now that I've been set straight, I think the correct meaning should be documented on the wiki page. The bracketed "explanation" (circular route)

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I would generally agree with all your points. A slightly more formal definition (though not fully rigorous) for me would be: a circular route is one in which, from any boarding area, you can return to the same boarding area without being forced to disembark. I say boarding area rather than point

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > Looked it up, of course. Definitions are not that clear-cut. Generally, > round trip means that you return where you came from, some definitions say > along the same route, some say mostly along the same route but not

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Looked it up, of course. Definitions are not that clear-cut. Generally, round trip means that you return where you came from, some definitions say along the same route, some say mostly along the same route but not necessarily. I think the less strict definition covers the usage on osm, except for

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I've looked up the Circle Line in London. It is not circular in any way! 2018-05-25 14:00 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > I think circular is used to indicate that the vehicle in the end returns > at the same point. I don't think the actual shape of the route matters. How >

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I think circular is used to indicate that the vehicle in the end returns at the same point. I don't think the actual shape of the route matters. How would it be called in British Enhglish if the vehicle returns at the same point, only by a different route, in order to serve more boarding points?

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20:40 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Tagging] roundtrip Exactly that point or in the vicinity? No matter the payment, ticketing and boarding rules? 2018-05-25 12:32 GMT+02:00 <osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au &

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On 25 May 2018 at 06:48, Peter Elderson wrote: > What is the use of the key:roundtrip? > Explanations just say >> roundtrip=yes/no(optional) Use roundtrip=no to indicate that a route goes >> from >> A to B. Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that the start and finish of the

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

It's an example. But we are not alone... 2018-05-25 12:33 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2018-05-25 12:29 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > >> How would that be applicable in Nederland, where PT uses one type of >> chipcard for all voyages and payment

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2018-05-25 12:59 GMT+02:00 Jo : > But a line that does A->B, then B->A is not a roundtrip, and it would take > 2 route relations to describe the itineraries + a route_master to describe > the line. > +1, most buses go A->B and return, a rountrip is A->A Cheers, Martin

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I don't see a problem with adding tags that enable validation to be performed, even if it means some redundancy in the data. But I may have misinterpreted the roundtrip tag myself. Jo 2018-05-25 11:52 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > Isn't that should-be tagging for the

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Paul, Let me know when you would have time for a hangout. I'd like to have a look at that route! Preferably with somebody who actually knows how the bus follows it. But a line that does A->B, then B->A is not a roundtrip, and it would take 2 route relations to describe the itineraries + a

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woud the roundtrip tag help you with that? 2018-05-25 12:51 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen : > > > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > >> In that case it is a service-thing rather than a route-thing. Is it >> generally used like that? >>

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: > In that case it is a service-thing rather than a route-thing. Is it > generally used like that? > The wiki just mentions the co-location of start/endpoint of the route. > > I'm going by what I've encountered in

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sten.engler.id.au <osm.tagging@thorsten.engler.i >> d.au> >> *Sent:* Friday, 25 May 2018 20:23 >> *To:* 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' < >> tagging@openstreetmap.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip >> >> >> >> I inte

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gt; later point get back to the stop you started on. > > > > *From:* osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au <osm.tagging@thorsten.engler. > id.au> > *Sent:* Friday, 25 May 2018 20:23 > *To:* 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' < > tagging@openstreetmap.org&

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tarted on. > > > > *From:* osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au <osm.tagging@thorsten.engler. > id.au> > *Sent:* Friday, 25 May 2018 20:23 > *To:* 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip >

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2018-05-25 12:29 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > How would that be applicable in Nederland, where PT uses one type of > chipcard for all voyages and payment is based on distance travelled between > check-in and check-out, no matter the route or vehicle? > isn't this offtopic?

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ussion, strategy and related tools' <tagging@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Tagging] roundtrip I interpret roundtrip as “you can get from a stop to another stop that’s *before* it in the list of stops by simply remaining in the vehicle”. You can have routes where the start and stop

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10 > > > > *From: *Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Friday, May 25, 2018 10:38 AM > *To: *Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Tagging] roundtrip > > > > Thanks for the example. >

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

I interpret roundtrip as “you can get from a stop to another stop that’s *before* it in the list of stops by simply remaining in the vehicle”. You can have routes where the start and stop are the same location, but this is not true (as the vehicle always goes on to serve another route after

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

In that case it is a service-thing rather than a route-thing. Is it generally used like that? The wiki just mentions the co-location of start/endpoint of the route. The suggested use as a validator-tag requires the use exactlly as the wiki says, while other suggested uses mark cases where the tag

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 11:10 GMT+02:00 Johnparis : > > Similarly, a route that is not closed can be a roundtrip. The start and > end points might be several meters apart, even on different roads, yet > serve the same destination. > +1 in OSM you can also expect incomplete data, someone

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

: [Tagging] roundtrip Thanks for the example. Looks to me the bus will have to drive through the tunnel for its next round. This route just needs to be completed! Now it's a oneway route. The route_master only contains one relation in one direction.   2018-05-25 11:10 GMT+02:00 Johnparis <

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: > > The only use case I can imagine is when a roundtrip has one ore more > access ways which are included in the route relation. But even then, what > is the purpose? > I would say that roundtrip=yes on route A->B->A

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

Isn't that should-be tagging for the validator? I don't know if that's less frowned-upon than tagging for the renderer... Besides, if you derive the tag from your tagging tool, couldn't the validator do that directly? 2018-05-25 11:15 GMT+02:00 Jo : > I tend to use

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