Sure sounds like you are having fun. Smiles. Reminds me of some
party-game, kind of
Gues What You Will Hear Next Keystroke...
Really not sure what to suggest, but have you tried to turn off all apps
under Window-Eyes? I mean, just to start somewhere.
My first idea would be, that maybe
I was met by a message today, that there was a new update for my Firefox.
as you all will remember, last summer there was a good deal of chatting
here on the list, since the normal (standard) version of Firefox was
changed, and no longer useful for WE users.
The solution, that I along with
The WE App Central still is around. I just checked it out, and things
seemed to work as ever. Only thing is that the developers will no longer
be able to upload any further versions of their products. Meaning, you
get what is there, and when it no longer works, you will have to contact
the
As for the stuff about getting a standard address and such, on all
documents, I too would be interested in any feedback from people who
have dealt with that before.
Though, I do hold, what we here are looking for, would be
How To Create A Template, and Later On Make Use Thereof?
Have
Interesting enough. Good thing some of us still are at Win7 or 8, and
from what I can see, will not be affected by these changes.
Just keep in mind, dropping support does not necessarily mean stop
working. It's been several years now, since GW dropped support for XP,
but from what certain
From the messagese, earlier on this list, and the tiny bit I have
fooled with Jaws, I am afraid I have to bear you bad news. NVDA does
support top and bottom indexing, but far as I am informed, Jaws does not.
What else does Jaws not support? smiles. Sure, it is a great miss not to
know the
For all members of the list,
As a friendly reminder:
We all eventually touch that Delete-key, when it was inconvenient. That
important message should not have been deleted; and what do you do now?
First of all, all the mail clients I have been in touch with, do have a
Trash folder. Whenever
Be prepared. Traffic is quite extensive. Sometimes a few hundred
messages in a week. Friendly list, but unfortunately too much chatter.
Long as you can live with this, it's a nice place to ask your NVDA
questions, or simply follow other people's discussions, and learn from that.
David
On
Thanks for the link.
Yes, they sure are aware of the screen reader issues - and have been so
ever since they started the whole 57+ cycle. What they don't tell in the
article you linked, is why they did not just fix it right away, when
they were to introduce version 58. Sounds somehow like the
probably I have lost something here. But please, what is your issue? You
have got trouble with newest Thunderbird? OK, but could you tell us what
exactly you are experiencing, it might be possible for us to advice
where the trouble nests.
Currently running Thunderbird here, updated just about
Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk ?
Never heard of that one. Where would you get such a thing, please?
By the way, how would I get the Microsoft Media Creator, for burning a
Win10 installation DVD, if anyone knows.
thanks,
On 1/12/2018 4:34 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Poof, great. Then I was not the only one to get that DLL missing
message. I even searched the net, and only could find some outsider
answers to how to remedy. Even more strange, when they told where the
DLL should be located, I did check and it sure was on my computer. So
why the Win10
OK, I know, this should be the last day for the job. But far as I
remember, the free offer for upgrading to Win10 should last even for today.
Thing is, I thought I had saved the link for the upgrade. Unfortunately,
it must have been saved really deep in the storage here. Anyone please
could
Carol, and the rest.
Perhaps you already will know this, but still, might I be allowed to
clarify one point. Keyboard and mouse, might either be ordinary
wireless, or they might be Bluetooth. Headsets could be strict wireless,
but the ones with microphone will (to all my knowledge) always be
If we want to take you even one step further into the modern age, have
you considered using a Bluetooth headset?
You can get a bluetooth receiver, which you plug into your computer's
USB port, and which only sticks out about half an inch from the
computer, It can even be plugged into one of
Don't know if this is of any help to you. Asking - or rather answering -
questions about speakers, headphones or microphones, often tend to be
like asking people which topping is best on your sandwich. Ask ten
people, and you will be lucky if you only get 15 opinions. Smiles.
Likely, they are
Whatever was the case, I am glad you got it all fixed.
For a later time, you might want to keep in mind the suggested approach,
that someone else gave you. The Filter-stuff, is normally turned on with
Ctrl-K. To get it turned off, you go to the View-menu of Thunderbird, by
hitting Alt-V. In
Might be a hit-and-miss this one. But what happens if you try the
App-key, or Shift-F10? Someone told me, that once in a while even
Shift-App-key will provide extended menus. I am not under Win10, so
cannot really help, just thought to throw the idea on the table.
On 12/13/2017 6:51 PM, Carol
By default,
NOPE!
If you are familiar with scripting, or do know someone who are, you
might be able to make a small script, which would provide such a
feature. Funny why they never gave Jaws that small jingle, whenever Jaws
is starting or ending. I mean, WinEyes has had it for years,
Suppose you stick with Thunderbird.
Go ahead and install Thunderbird on your new computer, like you would
normally do. One good source to get the newest version, would be Ninite,
and there you actually can build a complete installer that will get your
favorite applications onto the new
3 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks David. Very interesting.
>>>
>>> My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is
>>> decipher scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email,
PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
electronically stored information.
Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.
All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just
Perhaps you have already made your choice, but still here goes.
Now aday a CD/DVD reader and burner, is no longer an issue. Long as you
have a spare USB connector on your PC, you can pick up USB driven,
external DVD burners for around the 50-100 dollar range. They are no
bigger in size, than
As for the question of yours, regarding hybrid disks.
Some have claimed this to be a solution. The idea of it all is, that
every time you write to an SSD, it wears a little. Older models were
more vulnerable. Today the technology has greatly improved, and getting
an SSD from well-known
Basically, the more RAM, the better. Yet, to a certain degree, lack of RAM can
often be compensated by an SSD, instead of a harddisk. SSD in its very basic
form, is nothing but a huge RAM. And be fore anyone arrests me, I did say in
its basic terms, since there would be a whole article to be
Memory serves me right, turning on and off browse mode in nvda, you have
to press Insert-Space.
As for touch-screen support, I am no familiar, so cannot help.
Like you have already been adviced, you might want to ask your questions
on the NVDA list. I do know, there was some discussion about
A couple of weeks ago, we had the new Firefox breaking the accessibility
under WinEyes. It is well known, from version 56 and up, Firefox will no
longer operate with WinEyes.
Someone kindly pointed us to the business - or ESR - version of firefox,
at the time being version 52. I followed
Tom,
you wouldn't happen to know the exact filename of the Windows OCR? Just
got a mind to do some testing here.
On 10/31/2017 2:22 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> David,
> I wouldn't be so sure about the OCR not being primed before the main
> dialog appears. This is typical programming:
Tom,
Thanks for your many ideas.
Things clreared up a bit, when Larry tells us, that things happen
immediately after him pressing the hotkey. That is, before the app gets
to even show its initial dialog. Agree with you Tom, something is going
on in the initiating of the app. For some reason,
OK, got no answer for you. Still some reflections.
I just tried VV in Thunderbird, both in the list of messages, and in an
open message window. I tried running VV, choosing the Active Window - it
worked just fine. I tried running VV, asking it to go for the focused
window - it worked as ever
How about going for 7zip? It can handle a long range of file formats, is
totally free of charge, and works just fine with screen readers.
Easiest place to grab it, is from the ninite.com webpage.
In general, if the info is of importance, I would strongly recommend
unpacking it, and then
r permission to
> hange these settings. Click continue to complete this operation.
>
> On 10/26/2017 2:08 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>> Debby,
>>
>> You are right. Shortly after my posting the workaround, yet another
>> version (56.01) came out from Mozilla, and
Debby,
You are right. Shortly after my posting the workaround, yet another
version (56.01) came out from Mozilla, and swoopsy, there all
accessibility flew out the windows. The recent version of Firefox, in
very short and sharp words, is USELESS for WinEyes users.
I personally ended up going
As already indicated, the sertificate issue likely is due to your old
version.
Even if you run 9.54, it could be the 9.54 that was released something
like October last year. It was in the change of January/February this
year, the sertificate issue came up. hence, if your upgrade file is
Wasn't it so, that someone is selling a Sapi version of Eloquence?
Wonder if the company was named ATGuys, or something like that.
OK, not exactly as responsive as the dedicated one, but the SAPI version
used to be a bit more clear sounding. And I seem to remember you could
buy a complete
your effort in diagnosing this problem, and we'll report
> back our experiences.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of David via Talk
> S
ke being in an edit box
>> that is stuck there. All I hear is ding. I have uninstalled firefox 3
>> times since last night and each time firefox has upgraded. Even though
>> I have it set not to upgrade.
>>
>> It is strange how some people aring this phenomenon and others are
what and why?
>
> Live long and prosper, John
>
> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 11:02 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; WE English Mailinglist
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility
>
> F
Forgot to say, I am still running Windows7 pro 64bit, in case the OS
might be the bottleneck.
On 10/7/2017 12:01 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> I do not want to start a new lengthy arguing over accessibility issues.
> Yet, a few days ago, we had a discussion running here, as to the
I do not want to start a new lengthy arguing over accessibility issues.
Yet, a few days ago, we had a discussion running here, as to the latest
version of Firefox - 56 - which some users had experienced issues with.
I did not have any intention in running into accessibility issues, and
hence
Only have tried Chrome as an alternative, in a few cases, for my
browsing. Might be OK, though I am not fully confident with its behavior.
Recently, I have tested it for playing the online version of our local
radio over here. It plays OK in Internet Explorer. But when the same
website is
Funny thing, this discussion came up this morning. Last night, I was
trying to smoothen certain issues with an add-on, under Firefox 55.
I did a number of searches on the net, hoping to trace some kind of a
solution for my issue. Yet what I found, was not exactly uplifting.
Developing team of
/Show_Inbox_when_starting_Thunderbird
If not, try some of the other articles here:
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=setting+up+thunderbird+to+open+in+the+inbox=UTF-8=mozilla=yhs-001
Hope any of this helps you out.
On 9/16/2017 5:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> Honestly, it's been a few years sinc
Honestly, it's been a few years since I set up my Thunderbird. So this
will be a total guesswork. But for nothing else, make sure the settings
in the View menu are correct.
Under Toolbars, make sure only the Menu bar, and Status bar are checked.
All other features should be unchecked.
Under
E: Apps that can be uninstalled
>
> Dave!
>
> Thanks for this. I never gave the Win-Eyes Apps a thought. And you're
> right!
>
> Louis
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
Just wanted to remind you, that not all apps developed for WinEyes, are
beneficial any longer.
Though an app in general should simply just close down, once it cannot
perform its activity, you might eventually see some apps that could
cause you issues. I recently went through my installed apps,
Besides, sending error reports, is nothing but useless.
the error reports that would go to the developing team of the screen
reader, will likely end up in a non-attended mailbox, and all your
efforts are good for nothing.
The error reporting system for apps that generate an error report, has
Not sure I understand your query correct. But If you have a Word
document, with a line of underlines, or maybe dots, where you want to
fill in say your name and address or the like. Yes, that is fully possible.
1. place your cursor at the first of the characters you want replaced,
like the
Trying to wrap my brain cells around the usage of Jaws. Those of you who
are more driven in using Jaws with Excel, maybe you can give me some
directions here, please. OK, I am using Excel 2007, but think my issue
would be similarly worked out under any later version of Excel. So all
feedback
inancial resources.
>
> On 9/11/2017 2:09 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>> You know, I too am tempted to believe, NVDA will take over some screen
>> reader users. For one thing, as NVDA becomes yet more powerful, and
>> widely known, it might happen that paying
You know, I too am tempted to believe, NVDA will take over some screen
reader users. For one thing, as NVDA becomes yet more powerful, and
widely known, it might happen that paying authorities or cherities, will
refuse to pay hundreds (or in translated version thousands) of dollars
for Jaws.
NVDA, has been developed under a GPL (General Public License) program,
ensuring it will forever stay open-sourced. This has to be done from the
very first minute, and it does require full transparency of the code,
from day one.
The way WinEyes was developed, and sold, will have blocked for it
Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the
anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get back
to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a quick look at facts.
Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone software,
with
Big question is, of course, to what extend VFO really has taken over the
Copyright of WinEyes. If you notice in the latest installation, it still
says the Copyright is for AISquared. To what extend does VFO own the
Copyrights under that company name? An owner might well own the company,
and
Rod,
Did you try sending your initial message, to the WE Scripting list? From
old, I know a number of users were subscribing there, but not here on
the list. So might be a thing to consider, to send a message to that
list, as it would hit more directly with those who used to develop and
e smiles.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 8/29/2017 3:53 PM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> I think you want insert z to turn on and off virtual view in jaws.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:05 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Dis
e mode is
> insert-z. Insert-f7 takes you to a list of links. Insert-f5 takes
> you to a list of form fields, and the letter k or shift-k takes you
> from one link to another.
>
>
>
> On 8/29/17, David via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> OK, finally, they m
Kiehne wrote:
> I think you want insert z to turn on and off virtual view in jaws.
>
> -Original Message----- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:05 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Jaws browse mode
>
> News for you. At
Cheers michael.
>
> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:16 PM
> To: WE English Mailinglist
> Cc: David
> Subject: Jaws browse mode
>
> OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
> am ready to start
OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.
One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
no single
Olusegun, and all other "dreamers".
First of all, let me second much of what Tom already have told you.
Window-Eyes, as well as a number of other software you have come to rely
on through the years, have been developed to run on Windows machines.
Windows machines have their way, or ways, to do
Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the
final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn
down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep
the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use
of
Listers,
Perhaps some of you are more into this, and could advice me for a second.
I have a certain website that I often check, to get latest news on a
particular matter. On the website, i find a button that says
"Subscribe". This sounds nice, if I could somehow subscribe to the news
from
Did I get it correct, and the initial poster will happen to have a
similar box on their banking site as the one I get locally, the
Alt-Down-Arrow does nothing. Neither in WinEyes, nor in NVDA, nor in
Jaws. As a matter of fact, the box I see for determining which account
to charge, and
Is there any chance for you to inform us on the following?
This kind of certificates, how long do they last? Will we possibly run
into similar situations more often in the near future? Or are the new
certificates meant to last for a prolonged time, that basically will
outlive the screen
I wanted to share with you all, something I just came across on the net.
If you are a user of MSOffice products, and you find you do not have the
highest skills in either Excel or Word, this might be for you. Or, are
you among the many users of Office, who could wish for a solution to a
Too bad, they don't have a one-stop store for the scripts. That really
will be a great miss from the WE App Central. Eventhough certain apps
for WE also have been distributed outside the App Central, it still was
one big resource for getting a hold of what is available.
Last night, I did a
Eh, that will depend. Not all windows will let themselves maximize. I
agree with the initial question here, Jaws clearly should have a way for
the user to determine if the window actually is maximized or not. Having
to attempt maximizing the window, hoping for it to work, without having
a way
Maybe many of you will not be aware of this, but Jaws and NVDA actually
have some quick-keys for setting key echo. If memory serves me right,
try hitting Insert-2, the 2 on your main keyboard, and the key echo
should change to "word", which will be the answer to one of the initial
queries.
Sounds like a great place to start.
WinEyes users have come to enjoy the benefits of the App Central, to
download and keep an eye on all the apps been offered for the screen
reader. Does there exist any kind of a central place for getting an
overview of which scripts would be available for
And, if you buy a new car - separate model and brand from the old one
you have been driving the last ten years, do you then expect the car
manufacturer to run a driving class for you? All for free? Or, even
worse, do you expect them to pay your driver's license and all the
training to get it?
Tried the demo of Jaws. Sure got a lerning curve. But one thing that I
see as a drawback, is the Jaws-key.
I do understand the jaws-key is the Insert-key. Since I am on a laptop,
with no numpad, I am using the Insert-key which would be located along
with my home, end and so forth. Yet, in WE,
Apparently this is the case pretty much all over. Our local dealer has
not had much info either, except from what we all know, the webpage Doug
and Aaron pointed us to yesterday, and the email stating the state of
things. As a matter of fact, it seems some of us users read the message
even a
Confused.
I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose
the version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32
64bit. What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit,
and then the same for something that says non-tandem.
What should I
Is there anywhere I can download and install Jaws?
As I am planning to migrate, will it be possible for me to install Jaws
today, and let it run in some kind of Demo mode until I get my migrated
license key? Or, will I have to then uninstall the demo, and go the long
way around a new
Anyone knows the sign-up address and procedure for a mailinglist,
similar to this one, for Jaws?
And does there exist any mailinglist for those who want to develop
Scripts (or apps, or whatever they are named under Jaws)?
Thanks,
--
David
___
Question:
For those of us who have a fully paid version of WinEyes, with no
restrictions as to the number of computers on which it can be run, will
we now have to face the challenge of limitted installations of Jaws?
Meaning that we either will have to reduce our number of units, or
shovel
There would of course be ITunes, though it is a bit of a learning curve.
But it will let you prelisten to the tracks of an album, and also let
you buy the songs. Then again, the songs will be in the M4A format of
Apple, which is not playable on all players. It all depend on what
exactly you
If you buy the CodeFactory version, will it then work under other
software, like a standard SAPI voice? I.e, could you use it even under
NVDA? Or, is it tied to WinEyes in any way?
Would you have any address where to buy it?
Thanks,
David
On 4/24/2017 10:08 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:
Many of the listers may never remember the "old days" in the assistive
world. But for those of us who does, I for one can still remember the
days when no Braille display had cursor routing capabilities. I can
assure you it is not totally necessary, though quite handy, to have this
Perhaps I am missing something. But what info do you have, that
indicates Webvisum no longer to work with Firefox.
I just checked their homepage, and did not find any such indication.
Maybe I did not look carefully enough. Still, if you could please
provide some info on the matter, I would
Unless memory should fail me totally, Eloquence was in its SAPI version,
way up to WE6.2. When WE7.0 came out, the dedicated version of Eloquence
was the rule of the day.
If you will happen to have an installation CD for any version prior to
WE7, you will find the Eloquence files there.
Listers,
I need a software to create a Virtual CD on my hard drive, since I do
not have any CDs ready, and the stuff I am working with needs to go all
the long way around a CD.
I used to have a Virtual CD software on one of my older PCs, but cannot
remember what the name was. Just know it
Not so. I tried it, and the only app that comes up as outdated, is the
Hourly Chime. Once that single app was updated, no more outdated apps.
So how come the initial poster told us he had something like 20 updates?
Something on his computer.
and yes, I did exactly use the AppGet feature and
But, how come?
AISquared? I do see the latest version of Window-Eyes also states that.
If the new owner is VFO, why not have it updated to stating VFO?
Am I missing something, or is this simply yet another of the "server
issues" of the new company?
David
On 4/19/2017 12:34 AM, Chris
Alt-B, to open the bookmarks list in Firefox. Never had WinEyes crashing
because of that, and don't experience any real sluggishness in arrowing
up and down the list of bookmarks. Then again, I have never been using
the other approach you described. But for a test, why don't you try
accessing
Hey, that was new to me, but sure I can confirm the behavior in thunderbird.
Funny.
Guess this is the newest on the scientific stem. Blind people will
comprehend twice as good, if the text is read out to them bottom and up.
Just wonder why it does not read the words backward. I mean, first
Been so long since I had Java on any of my machines. But memory serves
me, that you can use the Ninite installer for installing Java. Should
take away alot of the issues in the installation process.
You further might need to activate the JavaBridge, from inside WE, for
the screen reader to
Insert-Q. Probably you will hav to confirm the NVDA exit.
Alternatively, Ctrl-Escape, arrow down to NVDA, and kill it with Alt-E.
David
On 3/21/2017 5:33 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Window Eyes is my primary screen reader, but I have NVDA loaded as a backup.
> I accidentally
Please correct me, should I be wrong. And maybe I do not understand your
issue totally.
Far as I know, Win-Eyes always will fall back to your default sound
card. Meaning, if you unplug your USB card, the built-in, onboard card
will be the one used for output.
Furthermore, a handful of
And? Next thing we hear, is that upcoming versions of Window-Eyes, will
be powered by Jaws.
Smiles. Just some puzzling fun.
On 3/8/2017 2:38 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Doug from AISquared told me a while back that the next version of Fusion
> would be powered by JAWS.
>- Original
That is, what if they want all the computers in the classroom having an
equal setup. I mean, not just for the desktop and treeview reading, but
all across the board.
In such a case, take one of the "working" computers, and copy the GW
Profile Folder, onto a portable media. Then go to one of
I see a lot of talking about the upcoming CSun this year. I have heard
about a few things introduced there back in earlier years.
I was wondering, if anyone here knows if there is going to be some kind
of a podcast, or a written article, that in a nutshell would walk those
of us who have no
Not on Amazon myself, so would be a general guess.
Seems like they are performing some kind of security checking on you.
Some websites do this kind of checking once in a while, on arbitrarily
customers. Hopefully they do not intend to do this every time you log on
to their services, in the
Since you state NVDA will read them, they apparently hold text, not just
scanned images. I have seen numerous samples of the same behavior, which
in rality have lead me to stop using Adobe in my daily activity. I find
that those documents, typically will open in things like QRead, and
there WE
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>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of David via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:30 AM
> To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Pamela Dominguez
> Subject: Re: WinEyes an
;I didn't know we only get one language. I was lead to believe that all the
>languages were in there and we could choose whatever language we wanted to
>install. Pam.
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: David via Talk
>Sent: Thursday, February 02,
Matthew,
Am I correct in assuming, you happen to be from the North-Americas? Then
it is likely you got your hard-copy installation disk quickly. But for
oversea users, the lengthy delivery time, has long been an issue. Not
sure if the oversea disks will have to be requested from the local
Vaughn,
I just wanted to hook on to one point you made. And that is the one
about the free Office Offer of WinEyes, in comparison with the paid-for
versions.
You said:
"
Part of my complaint is that the Window-Eyes for Office programme, which is
free to those who use it, get permanent
To all current and potential users of the Extended Dictionary app.
V0.69.5.1 - Release Note.
As all current users of the package has noticed the last few days, the
package speaks a short license note, at startup. It has been informing
you that the license time was about to expire. All due to
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