RE: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi there:

This happened after the reboot, not during the install.  Install went
smoothly and I was prompted to reboot.

I have no info about the error itself, as the diag tool didn't describe what
the problem was.

I can repeat it if I delete the GW Micro folder under %appdata%.

As for removal, I've got the removal tool if I need it.

Again, though, WE seems to be doing about as well as it did before.

Got it monitoring BARD express as I'm downloading some books.  It still
plays real nice with BARD express.

I'm sorry I can't say which build of Windows 10 this applies to, as it may
happen in earlier builds.  I'm using insider builds, because I'm playing
with the Windows Subsystem for Linux also, and installation of this system
is a breeze using the insider builds.  But, that's neither here nor there.

Cheers.

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Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Just installed WE 9.5.4 demo on Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build
21277.1000).  This is the latest insider build.

 

Install went smoothly, but, a few seconds after first run, in addition to
the setup wizard, I got this:

 

A problem has been detected that could potentially cause 

Window-Eyes to behave inefficiently. Sending information about this 

problem is strongly recommended so that the issue can be 

addressed. Do you want to send information about this problem 

now? If you choose Yes, a report will be sent to Ai Squared support 

technicians for investigation. If you choose No, no information will be

sent. If you choose Cancel, you will not be prompted again for this 

version of Window-Eyes.

Yes No Cancel

 

Just for the heck of it, I said "Yes", but got an e-mail telling me about
JAWS 18-you know how long that has been in place.  I wasn't even expecting
that, because most of GW's Web site is gone.  It's gutted, almost like my
house was after the fire in 2007.

 

No other anomalies, other than what you all probably know about already.

 

But, it's still chugging along.  Still seems to work under latest Edge, and
need to put Chrome back in here.

 

I have to do almost a complete wipe of the HD to re-install the demo, so
going to re-install my essential programs.

 

My system stays in a state of flux anyway, so no big deal.

 

Cheers!

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Test

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Test, please ignore
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Window-Eyes still working on Windows 10 1909 for the most part

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

The subject says it all.

 

Loaded my demo of WE 9.5.4 and it's still chugging along on Windows 10
version 1909.  My device hasn't updated to 20-04 just yet, so can't speak
for that.

 

There are a few things not working, like the outlook addin, but, it could be
worse.

 

Running on a surface pro 7, fyi.

 

Oh, one weirdness.  When I check the about box, it says copyright 1995-2020.
The executable is from 2017, but, the WETOOL.DLL shows today's date.

 

Interesting.

 

 

 


When I choose the About button, it says copyright 

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Had a senior moment

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Well folks, I don't know what's going on with my mind.

 

Before, I said my download of the Vocal-Eyes demo didn't contain a manual.
Well, I didn't look close enough.

 

I went ahead and ran the install, and, you VE users know what happened.  I
was prompted whether or not I wanted the ASCII manual installed.  Of course,
I said yes, and it was there all the time, But, in ARJ archive files.  This
is the first time I have actually come across anyone using those, though I
was aware of them.  So, the install program unarchived them, so now, I will
begin perusing the manual.

 

Sorry for not looking close before I send a mail.

 

Could be worse.

 

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Re: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

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Hi:

I have a copy of Vocal-Eyes demo 3.0, and, according to the readme
file, the manual is supposed to be included, but, it isn't.

If anyone knows where I can get a more complete download, expecially
so I can actually view the manual, I'd be interested in playing with
it.  I used ASAP for most of my DOS career, but, I know many sware by
Vocal-Eyes.

Window-Eyes was my GoTo screen-reader of choice until the sad day when
it met its demise, but, I never gave the DOS product a chance.

Cheers!

On 9/26/20, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:
> Wow! What a flashback. Now all we need is to hear VocalEyes in DOS to
> complete the picture.
> Have fun.
> Tom
>
>
>
> On 9/25/2020 11:31 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
>> Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text
>> Assist.
>>
>>
>>
>> I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing demo
>> files.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1
>>
>>
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
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RE: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

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Hi:

I think Window-Eyes 3.1 may have been the last version to support Windows
3.1.

The funny thing about it is that the demo from GW Micro was a
self-extracting setup file, but, I couldn't get it to run under Win 3.1  I
had to use Winrar to extract the contents of the demo and I was able to run
it from the extracted files.

I do have a copy of my CD, so it wasn't an issue, I just wanted to contrast
the two versions.

Windows 3.1 was on the way out when Window-Eyes 3.1 was released, so I guess
they weren't too worried about it anyway.

I got it working with both Text Assist and KeyNote Gold MultiMedia, under
Windows 3.1, so those are the 2 software speech options, and Text Assist
depended on you having a Sound Blaster card.

I did buy KeyNote Gold MultiMedia, but, lost my floppy in a housefire in
2007, but, that wouldn't have mattered, as I have no floppy drive now
anyway, so I just used the demo to prove it worked.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

Very Good Joseph! Love it! How did you get Window-Eyes 3.1 installed on
windows 3.1?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.

 

It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text Assist.

 

I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing demo
files.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1

 

Enjoy!

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A little sound from the past, sort-of.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.

 

It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text Assist.

 

I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing demo
files.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1

 

Enjoy!

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RE: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I have this running in DosBox (specifically, the DosBox-X branch), though I
don't think it matters much.

I was just experimenting, and, on a whim, I tried something a little
different.

Instead of shutting down Windows with WE running, I exited WE and then
exited Windows.

When I returned, things hadn't changed.  For some reason, Windows the SB
software or something doesn't like me exiting Windows with WE running.
Maybe it gets confused when trying to play the shutdown chime.  Maybe then,
something gets saved wrong.

Had a devil of a time getting Text Assist to work.  But, now that it is,
sounds almost like Dectalk.  Not as quick on the takeup, but, it can sing if
you feed it the right kind of text file.

Think I'll put up a capture of it on Dropbox.

Cheers.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:53 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

OH OK are you using an old Windows 3.1 machine or is it a virtual machine?

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Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 4:54 PM
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Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

Hi listers:

 

I just got Windows 3.1 running and installed Window-Eyes 3.1 with Text
Assist in DosBox using their SoundBlaster 16 emulation and it doesn't sound
too bad.

 

One thing I'm curious about, though is volume.

 

Every time I bring Windows up when WE is using Text Assist, the volume keeps
getting lower and lower, until one can hardly hear it.  You can't use
Window-Eyes's volume keystrokes to change it.  I might be able to get
CTMixer to do it, but, I'll need a little sighted help to see if the
keyboard can be used for this.  I think I can turn up the main volume and
it'll work correctly, but, I may have to do it every time.

 

Funny, though, if I use KeyNote gold MultiMedia, it doesn't do that.

 

Anyone remember a problem like this?

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Going Way back even earlier than Butch

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

 

I just got Windows 3.1 running and installed Window-Eyes 3.1 with Text
Assist in DosBox using their SoundBlaster 16 emulation and it doesn't sound
too bad.

 

One thing I'm curious about, though is volume.

 

Every time I bring Windows up when WE is using Text Assist, the volume keeps
getting lower and lower, until one can hardly hear it.  You can't use
Window-Eyes's volume keystrokes to change it.  I might be able to get
CTMixer to do it, but, I'll need a little sighted help to see if the
keyboard can be used for this.  I think I can turn up the main volume and
it'll work correctly, but, I may have to do it every time.

 

Funny, though, if I use KeyNote gold MultiMedia, it doesn't do that.

 

Anyone remember a problem like this?

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Window-Eyes under Windows 10 Insider Preview

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

Just a quick note to tell you that I’m typing this with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 under 
the latest Insider Preview build of Windows 10, Version 10.0.17666 Build 17666. 
 They call this the RS5 release—the version released to the general public is 
called RS4.

Window-Eyes still rocks!


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Windows 10 1803 update slight weirdness

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

Just updated to the Windows 10 update and WE is still functioning normally.

There is one minor thing which I would like to see if any of you can verify.

For some reason, now, when I first start WE, I get the message about
Microsoft Edge and how to switch browsers.  Usually, this only happens if I
accidentally try to run Edge.  Now, I get it every time I start WE.  I am
going to check the "don't show again" box (or what ever it's called) and
this will stop the message--I'm just curious if anyone else has this
behavior.

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 7:50 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Cc: Tony C 
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi, II 'm not sure about now, but back in 2003 or so there was no
diffference in the pro and home version of  jaws other than they charged
more for the authorization. I had a copy of Jaws and decided to do the pro
thing because I got a pc that had windows XP pro on it, all they did was
give me a different auth key which allowed Jaws to run in full mode on the
pro pc instead of in demo mode. It was just another way to take more money.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Getting Past JAWS 40 minute

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Hi:

If you are talking about the dialog about authorizing JAWS at startup, you can 
stop it from coming up each time you start JAWS.

To do this, reboot the computer to get another 40 minutes.  When JAWS starts 
up, it will ask you about authorizing JAWS.  Press ALT-D  then ALT-C.  JAWS 
will still announce it is in demo mode, but, you won’t have to go through the 
authorization dialog and select to run as demo each time.

Hope this helps.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Debra Hill via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:28 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Debra Hill
Subject: Getting Past JAWS 40 minute

Hi,

 

I have the JAWS 18 downloaded and also the shortcut key, ctrl-alt-j.  Can
someone advise how to get past the 40 minute tutorial; there are only the
two options of cancel and okay.  I am willing to try to learn but do not
want to go through the tutorial each time I turn JAWS on.

 

 

My second problem is a format problem.  It seems I have mistakenly marked
for bullets between my words.  Can someone tell me how to undo this?

 

Much thanks and blessings for any help in these questions.

 

Deborah

  

   

 

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RE: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

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Hi:

I, too am using Windows Fall Creator's update with WE 9.5.4.  I did a fresh
install with the iso file copied to a usb stick using the universal usb
installer from pendrivelinux.com.

As for the checking for updates, Microsoft is not updating everyone all at
once.  It should happen over the next couple days.  If anyone wants to
download an iso file, try this link for a 64-bit download--it'll work for
about 22 hours from now:

https://software-download.microsoft.com/pr/Win10_1709_English_x64.iso?t=6feb
8616-5840-4baf-9388-538ff0e2201b=1508416623=553c4b56fd023b4235d149869f9b
3fb0




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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

I just checked for updates and I was told my device is up to date?  How did
you do the update.  Thanks for letting us know that window eyes will work
with the update.

-Original Message-
From: loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 1:56 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: loy
Subject: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

Just upgraded to the Windows 10 Fall Creater and Window Eyes is still
working.
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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I just know it sometimes doesn't want to read the screen as well with the
numpad as before, but, that may be a windows 10 thing overall.

But, I'm not getting that dreaded set of beeps at launch.

Time will tell.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

When you say "it should still give you some functionality" it sounds like
you've lost a lot. I'm running Windows 10 Creators and aren't having any
problems. Care to clarify? I haven't had the time (or desire) to even begin
tackling JAWS or NVDA in any serious manner.
Thanks,
Tom


On 10/13/2017 9:26 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> This is insider build 16299, the Windows version is 1709.  If they 
> don't make any significant changes in the kernel, it should still give 
> you some functionality with Window-Eyes.
> 
>   
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:12 AM
> To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts
> 
> Next week  Windows 10 Fall Creator's Edition, version 1709 will be
released.
> 
> Is that the version you now have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:31 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: 'Russ Kiehne'
> Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts
> 
> Hi Russ and listers:
> 
> All I can say is that I am running window-eyes with the latest Windows 
> 10 Insider build 16299 and no major problems.
> 
> There are a couple issues where WE doesn't seem to read the screen 
> when reviewing it.  WE 9.54 still browses the Web ok, for the most part.
> 
> Once the Fall Creator's update comes out, it will be easier to figure 
> out what's still working and what no longer works well.  For a while, 
> even with the regular build of Windows 10, WE stopped working with 
> MicroSoft's Mail program for Windows.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:10 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts
> 
> Speaking of Window Eyes, does anyone happen to know if it will work 
> with next weeks release of windows 10 fall update?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: net bat via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: net bat
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts
> 
> because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there 
> products  and to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes 
> and were not willing to use a product they never heard of. if they 
> knew window eyes worked most of the time right out of the box without 
> scripts years ago they would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they 
> could of saved thousands of dollars because they would not of had to 
> pay script righters to get there software working.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Nick Sarames
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts
> 
> While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even 
> some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
> What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues 
> and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on 
> Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving 
> the overall stability of each reader.
> 
> On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
>> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the 
>> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, 
>> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery 
>> Website, when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down 
>> continuously down the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I 
>> also find Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not 
>> whining, I am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with 
>> trashing a product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the 
>> product they trashed and acting l

RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

This is insider build 16299, the Windows version is 1709.  If they don't
make any significant changes in the kernel, it should still give you some
functionality with Window-Eyes.


-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:12 AM
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Next week  Windows 10 Fall Creator's Edition, version 1709 will be released.

Is that the version you now have?

-Original Message-
From: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hi Russ and listers:

All I can say is that I am running window-eyes with the latest Windows 10
Insider build 16299 and no major problems.

There are a couple issues where WE doesn't seem to read the screen when
reviewing it.  WE 9.54 still browses the Web ok, for the most part.

Once the Fall Creator's update comes out, it will be easier to figure out
what's still working and what no longer works well.  For a while, even with
the regular build of Windows 10, WE stopped working with MicroSoft's Mail
program for Windows.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Speaking of Window Eyes, does anyone happen to know if it will work with
next weeks release of windows 10 fall update?

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and
to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not
willing to use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes
worked most of the time right out of the box without scripts years ago they
would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of
dollars because they would not of had to pay script righters to get there
software working.

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some
here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and
some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws.  Of
course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall
stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the 
> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, 
> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website, 
> when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down 
> the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find 
> Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I 
> am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a 
> product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they 
> trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention 
> charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff, 
> because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and 
> Narrator do.
>
> So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my 
> view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will 
> be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2 
> thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.
>
> Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Russ and listers:

All I can say is that I am running window-eyes with the latest Windows 10
Insider build 16299 and no major problems.

There are a couple issues where WE doesn't seem to read the screen when
reviewing it.  WE 9.54 still browses the Web ok, for the most part.

Once the Fall Creator's update comes out, it will be easier to figure out
what's still working and what no longer works well.  For a while, even with
the regular build of Windows 10, WE stopped working with MicroSoft's Mail
program for Windows.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Russ Kiehne 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Speaking of Window Eyes, does anyone happen to know if it will work with
next weeks release of windows 10 fall update?

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and
to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not
willing to use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes
worked most of the time right out of the box without scripts years ago they
would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of
dollars because they would not of had to pay script righters to get there
software working.

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some
here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and
some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws.  Of
course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall
stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the 
> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, 
> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website, 
> when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down 
> the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find 
> Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I 
> am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a 
> product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they 
> trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention 
> charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff, 
> because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and 
> Narrator do.
>
> So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my 
> view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will 
> be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2 
> thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.
>
> Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Firefox Extended Service Releases

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

It’s not the latest and greatest, but, you might try downloading the Extended 
Support Release of Firefox.

The current one is 52.4.

I got the 32-bit English version to work, but, the 64-bit didn’t.  Here is a 
link to the 32-bit English version:

https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-52.4.1esr-SSL=win=en-US

Here is a link that explains more and offers download links.  The downloads are 
listed in a table, the 32-bit version is the first download past the name of 
the particular language you wish to download:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Don’t know how long this will last, but, it might give you a little more time 
before it updates.


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RE: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I’m not sure about the firefox issues, but, I can comment on JAWS installs.

I have uninstalled and re-installed JAWS on this laptop running Windows 7 
through 10.  My locking code has remained the same.  As long as the locking 
code remains the same, you can re-install JAWS and the server realizes it’s on 
the same system and will not decrement your install count.

If you don’t want to go through the server every time, you can use the 
fsactivate.com Web site to get a license code you can enter into the 
authorization manager without going through the server each time.  Again, I 
have done this also and as long as the locking code stays the same, the 
authorization manager will accept the license code.  When I used fsactivate.com 
to retrieve the license code, it also did not decrement my install count.  

In conclusion, I used only one out of three and the fsactivate server still 
reports I have two authorizations remaining.

Hope this helps.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:46 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Jaws won't interfere.  And yes you would use one of your 3 installs of jaws if 
you removed it and re installed.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 8:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Lloyd Rasmussen
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Latest Firefox, and accessibility

Seems this is going to be the kind of never-ending story.


This morning, I had to restart my computer for some reason. After rebooting, 
all the sudden I do see the same behavior in Firefox, as reported by others. 
You can turn off Browse mode, and tab around the website. You can reach all the 
menus. But with browse mode turned on, there is absolutely no luck in having 
WinEyes read anything to you.


Now, i would not let this throw me off. I have been experimenting quite a bit 
here now, and here is at least some kind of a workaround. Wonder if some of you 
- who have trouble with Firefox 56 - please could report back if you see the 
same behavior.


1. Open Firefox.

2. Open any website of your choice, by typing in the address in the address 
bar, and hitting enter, just like you have always done.

3. The site comes up, but you cannot navigate it with WinEyes.

4. Try turn off Browse mode, and now use tab. Do you hear the different links 
and controls spoken?


Then the workaround.

1. with all firefox windows closed, open Firefox, and direct it to any 
website you might like.

2. Hit Ctrl-N, and a new session of Firefox will open in a separate window.

3. In this new window, open any website you desire - even the very same 
one you opened in the first window.

3. The website in the new ((or second) window, can be navigated just 
like ever before.

4. Go back to the first window you had opened with Firefox, and close it 
with F4.

5. From here, keep navigating Firefox as much as you like, in the newest 
window. You even can open as many windows and tabs as you want, and 
WinEyes seems to work just fine.


The ones of you, who have been able to work with Firefox 56 so far, have 
you rebooted your computer after updating to this version? If not, I am 
starting to wondering if there could be something going on.


Why I had to reboot my computer this morning, was because I had started 
Jaws, and it reported that an update for version 18.04 was available. 
After updating, it requested the computer rebooted.


Funny thing is, that yesterday my WinEyes worked perfectly well with 
Firefox 56. This morning, updating Jaws and then rebooting the computer, 
my WinEyes starts to have trouble with Firefox.


Sure, it all would be coincidents, wouldn't it? And of course, we could 
go on asking if anyone who are having no trouble with WinEyes in 
Firefox, also do not have Jaws installed, or even have not updated their 
Jaws version. i would have been willing to uninstall Jaws, just to make 
sure there is no cross-over issues, but would that not cause me to use 
an extra Jaws installation when reinstalling it on the computer? Or, 
does Jaws recognize it has already been installed here before, and hence 
abstain from counting the new reinstallation against my three available 
installations under the license? I really would have been willing to 
say, there would be no way for Jaws to interfere, all the time only 
WinEyes is loaded on the computer. But still, it all makes me wonder a bit.


OK, I could live with the extra hazzle, of always opening a Firefox 
session, and then hitting Ctrl-n, and start my browsing from the new 
session. The thing that now puzzles me, is why things work in the second 
session, but never in the first, of Firefox. Could that be due to some 
bug in the browser, or is the second session opening with different 
settings - deep down in the hundreds of settings of the 

RE: My SMA purchase experience

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Russ:

It works tolerably well.

There are a few weirdnesses, like JAWS not reading when trying to edit in the 
to:, cc:, or bcc: field.

Outlook may work just a little more smoothly with JAWS, and JAWS has more 
configuration options, like automatic reading when opening messages with 
Outlook.

Windows mail automatically reads the first few lines of a message, making it 
easier to tell whether I want to press Enter on that message.  I usually 
disable the conversation view, and, but, it does work ok with it.  

One way outlook is more configurable is that I can set outlook to automatically 
open the next message or the previous message (which I use, because Outlook 
shows messages newest first).

With the beta of JAWS, it isn’t reading messages in Mail correctly—it reads the 
first message you open, then, when you open the next, it still wants to read 
the first message you opened.

Hopefully, they’ll fix this—it’s been reported enough.

Cheers.




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Joseph Norton
Subject: Re: My SMA purchase experience

I see you are using windows mail for windows 10?  How well does it work with 
jaws?

-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 12:50 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Joseph Norton
Subject: My SMA purchase experience

Hi listers:

This is the first (and probably only) time I get to use an SMA, but, I took 
the plunge and ordered it.

I have to say VFO is pretty quick when upgrading to an SMA.  I ordered it 
yesterday and within a few minutes, the activation server showed the change 
to version 18.0 plus 2.

This certainly seems quicker than the migration purchases.

One has to wonder why the migration purchases  couldn't be executed in the 
same amount of time.

Anyway, I am covered for the next 2 years, if needed.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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RE: My SMA purchase experience

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

If one had the wherewithal, I’m sure it could be done.

The ILM just has to have the right code numbers entered and it can handle it.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 5:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: My SMA purchase experience

can you buy more than one sma? Say I wanted to buy 2 or 3 smas then I 
could have 4 or 6 sma upgrades and be good for several years? is this 
possible?



On 10/4/2017 5:03 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Well, of course, there could have been a real bottleneck back when the 
> migration was taking place.  After all, I wonder how many WE users 
> took advantage of the offer during those couple of months.  And, of 
> course, there was still the normal amount of Jaws, etc. business.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 10/4/2017 3:50 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi listers:
>>
>> This is the first (and probably only) time I get to use an SMA, but, 
>> I took the plunge and ordered it.
>>
>> I have to say VFO is pretty quick when upgrading to an SMA.  I 
>> ordered it yesterday and within a few minutes, the activation server 
>> showed the change to version 18.0 plus 2.
>>
>> This certainly seems quicker than the migration purchases.
>>
>> One has to wonder why the migration purchases  couldn't be executed 
>> in the same amount of time.
>>
>> Anyway, I am covered for the next 2 years, if needed.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
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My SMA purchase experience

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

This is the first (and probably only) time I get to use an SMA, but, I took the 
plunge and ordered it.

I have to say VFO is pretty quick when upgrading to an SMA.  I ordered it 
yesterday and within a few minutes, the activation server showed the change to 
version 18.0 plus 2.

This certainly seems quicker than the migration purchases.

One has to wonder why the migration purchases  couldn't be executed in the same 
amount of time.

Anyway, I am covered for the next 2 years, if needed.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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RE: "stand-by" ? mode in jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Brenda:

That little pop tells you JAWS is waiting for a command.

So, if you press Insert-Space, then S, you will hear “Speech Off”.  Now, again 
Pressing the same key combination, JAWS will say “Speech On”.

If you press Insert-Space, then the question mark, JAWS will list all the 
things you can do after pressing Insert-Space.

Hope this helps.



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From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 12:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: "stand-by" ? mode in jaws

hi List

Becky and Carol thanks for your replies.

I did try the Insert-spacebar and heard a pop but no choices and speech 
was not turned off (fortunately). I didn't try insert-spacebar S because 
there was not an option/prompt to do so.

Do I have a setting turned off?

Also, will turning off speech make my pc run like a normal pc so my 
husband doesn't have to deal with jaws keystrokes?  With Window-eyes I 
would turn W-e off every time he needed to use my pc.

Thanks forany help.

Brenda

On 10/4/2017 10:10 AM,

Brenda via Talk wrote:
> Hi List,

> 
> I thought I ran across something about a function in jaws where you can 
> put it in "stand-by" ? mode so a sighted person can use the computer 
> without actually shutting jaws down?
> 
> If so how do you do that?
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> brenda
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RE: firefox 55.03

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Here’s a link for the 64-bit version of version 55.03:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/55.0.3/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2055.0.3.exe

If you need any other version, browse the listings under:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

Hope this helps.


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From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: firefox 55.03

Hi Bryce,

Unfortunatly I had to do a search on google for older versions of firefox. 
My drop box isn't working or I would have uploaded the previous version for 
you.

I did install it and its working fine with w.e.
It really is straightforward. Go to google and type in older versions of 
firefox. The page is easy to navigate. Either tab down or press h till you 
get to the link for downloading the previous version. The download should 
start right away.

I haven't found where to uncheck the box to stop firefox updating 
automatically. When I do I will let you know how its done.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 3:18 PM
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Subject: firefox 55.03

Does anyone have a working link to download fx 55.03? Thanks.
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RE: low cost jaws it does exist

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I did post everything I could find on the Web.

The program has not essentially changed since then.

Here’s where I got my information:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/content/documents/other/CSUN/Freedom%20Scientific%20Home%20Use%20Program%20-%20CSUN%202016.pptx

You need PowerPoint to read it—I converted it so you listers could read it.

Hope this helps.


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From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:19 AM
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Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

Perhaps if someone can post the full details about this program on this 
list, it would sure help answer many questions?

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

I am not sure. call VFO talk to Hal, and ask him. his extension is 1101.



On 9/14/2017 10:44 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
> Is it available internationally?
> Kevin Huber
>
> On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy via Talk  wrote:
>> hello
>>
>>
>> I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
>> Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
>> people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
>> for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
>> make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
>> here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
>> through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
>> version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
>> two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
>> advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
>> activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
>> said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
>> exist. get more info by calling:
>>
>> 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101
>>
>>
>> This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be
>> doing more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably
>> be needed because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that
>> low cost jaws really exists.
>>
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
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RE: low cost jaws it does exist

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

You hit the nail on the head.

Telling anyone to go get a job when you know absolutely nothing about their 
circumstances is extremely callous.

There are a lot of us who want jobs and have a lot of trouble getting one, 
usually because of ignorance on the part of potential employers.  On the other 
hand, I have a nephew, who is sighted, and who has had job after job, only to 
get in some kind of altercation with someone, or, just would get lazy and 
decide he didn’t want to go to work, and get fired, then blame everyone else 
for his situation—he’s in jail right now, saying it’s everyone else’s fault.  
If I’d had as many jobs as he has had… well, anyway, enough said.

Some of us who have jobs may have forgotten the struggle to get where we are, 
or, maybe we just knew the right person.  Whatever the case, this kind of thing 
gets no one anywhere.

Shucks, even with a job, who would not want to get a deep discount on a 
blindness product, since most of them are overpriced anyway?

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From: lynn white via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:00 PM
To: Reeva Webb via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

That's just plain cruel.  I'm sorry but that just shows no heart whatsoever.


I happen to be fortunate enough that I can buy products.  So, my comment 
is not meant to be self serving.


I know that there are people within our community with their hands out.  
But, telling someone to get a job and stop bothering people for handouts 
is just insensitive and errogant.


On 9/14/2017 5:33 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
> ...get a job and stop bothering people for hand outs.
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 9:35 AM, "Josh Kennedy via Talk" 
> wrote:
>
>> hello
>>
>>
>> I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message. Anyway
>> he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for people who
>> need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and for some
>> reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would make a note
>> to at least get information about it posted up there. So here is what he
>> said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and through this jaws
>> affordability program for $125 you get jaws home version with 0 smas. But
>> if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with two smas. When I am done
>> with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take advantage of this for sure! I also
>> suggested to hal about a program to activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225
>> comes down to $12 per month. He said he would make a note of that also. So
>> yes folks low cost jaws does exist. get more info by calling:
>>
>> 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101
>>
>>
>> This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be doing
>> more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably be needed
>> because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that low cost jaws
>> really exists.
>>
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
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RE: low cost jaws it does exist

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Josh:

Let me add this:

I hope Hal can get this to work for you.

Another employee of FS I talked to was ready to take my card number, but, I had 
to wait for the funds.  The next dayl,, I got a call from them sayint they were 
sorry, but, they couldn’t do the Home Use program for me because I didn’t work 
for any of the organizations that were set up for the program.

If they can finagle it for you, by all means, take advantage of it.  I would 
have liked to be able to give them a card number, have it charged, and see them 
try to wiggle out of it.  They would have, at least, had to credit my money 
back.

Let us know what happens.



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From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

I am not sure. call VFO talk to Hal, and ask him. his extension is 1101.



On 9/14/2017 10:44 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
> Is it available internationally?
> Kevin Huber
>
> On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy via Talk  wrote:
>> hello
>>
>>
>> I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
>> Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
>> people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
>> for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
>> make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
>> here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
>> through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
>> version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
>> two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
>> advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
>> activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
>> said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
>> exist. get more info by calling:
>>
>> 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101
>>
>>
>> This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be
>> doing more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably
>> be needed because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that
>> low cost jaws really exists.
>>
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
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RE: low cost jaws it does exist

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

This program's details can be a little elusive.

I already looked into it earlier and found out I couldn't take advantage of it.

Here's why:

You have to work for an organization that uses JAWS in the workplace.  Here is 
the information from a PowerPoint slide show I googled up from Freedom 
Scientific:

Freedom Scientific Home Use Program - CSUN 2016.pdf
Freedom Scientific Confidential Proprietary
Freedom Scientific
Home Use Program
Eric Damery
Vice President Software Product Management
Freedom Scientific Confidential Proprietary
Objective of Home Use Program
list of 4 items
•Provide affordable home access to JAWS and other Freedom Scientific products
•Help users access all training materials and current versions of software in a 
timely manor
•Increase their knowledge helping them become more effective at work
•Give incentive to work place to maintain licenses at work
list end
Freedom Scientific Confidential Proprietary
How Does It Work
list of 4 items
•Freedom registers the organization and assigns company code and provides all 
the details and instructions for employees
•Organizations agree to promote to their employees by passing out the 
information
•Employees contact Freedom Scientific Customer Service and register for the 
program give there home information and the company code
•Freedom Scientific processed transactions directly with employees and register 
products to their home address
list end
Freedom Scientific Confidential Proprietary
What are the Savings

table with 3 columns and 9 rows
Product
Retail Price
Home Use Program
 
JAWS Home license
$895 
$75
 
JAWS upgrade from previous versions
$120 -$360
$50
 
JAWS SMA (next 2 upgrades)
$120
$100
 
MAGic new license
$595
$50
 
MAGic upgrade from previous versions version
$75 -$200
$50
 
MAGic SMA (next 2 upgrades)
$95
$75
 
OpenBook new license
$995
$75
 
Freedom Scientific Hardware
Retail Price
20% Discount
table end

Freedom Scientific Confidential Proprietary
Example 
Organizations
list of 4 items
•Freedom registers the organization and assigns company code and provides all 
the details and instructions for employees
•Organizations agree to promote to their employees by passing out the 
information
•Employees contact Freedom Scientific Customer Service and register for the 
program give there home information and the company code
•Freedom Scientific processed transactions directly with employees and register 
products to their home address
list end
Freedom Scientific Confidential Proprietary
Sample of 
Organizations 
in 
Program

table with 2 columns and 10 rows
Social Security Administration
Department of Education
 
Internal Revenue Service
American Printing House for the Blind
 
National Federation of the Blind
Massachusetts
 
Arizona SAAVI
Disney
 
Michigan State Services
FCC
 
NASA
MN State Services
 
Seattle Lighthouse
Winston-Salem Industries for the Blind
 
Virginia DBVI
TX DARS State Services
 
Perkins School for the Blind
Sacramento Society for the Blind 
 
San Antonia Lighthouse 
NJ State Commission
table end

JAWS 
AND
MAG
IC
H
OME
U
SE
P
ROGRAM
FOR
SSA E
MPLOYEES
list of 1 items

Similar to 
Microsoft's Home Use Program

collaboration with SSA, the 
JAWS and MAGic 
Home Use Program
:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
Enables SSA Federal employees, State Disability Determination Service (DDS) 
employees, and SSA contractors to purchase a licensed copy of the screen reading
software, Job Access with Speech (JAWS), and the magnification software, 
MAGnification in Color (MAGic)for installation and use on their home computer.
The program offers the software and corresponding Software Maintenance 
Agreements at a significant discount.
list end nesting level 1
list end
JAWS 
AND
MAG
IC
H
OME
U
SE
P
ROGRAM
FOR
SSA E
MPLOYEES
R
EQUIREMENTS
list of 6 items
SSA Employee will Contact Freedom Scientific Customer Service, 800-XXX-XXX 
Extension  
Provide SSA email address to verify eligibility 
Use Special Program Access Code XXX 
Order Between April 1 and June 30, 2014
list of 2 items nesting level 1
Extended to August 31, 2014
Extended Indefinitely 
list end nesting level 1
Products will be registered to home email and mailing address ONLY 
Provide form of payment 
list end
JAWS 
AND
MAG
IC
H
OME
U
SE
P
ROGRAM
FOR
SSA E
MPLOYEES
M
ARKETING
/P
UBLICITY
list of 6 items
Announce to EWD Training Cadre
EWD ListServ
Bi-Weekly Assistive Technology (AT) Conference Call
Daily PolicyNet Instructions Postings
Interactive Video Teletraining (IVT) Loops
Headquarters Television (HQTV)
list end
R
ESULTS
OF
JAWS 
AND
MAG
IC
H
OME
U
SE
P
ROGRAM
M
ARKETING
E
FFORT
Line graph showing the Monthly total number of page views on OL's EWD Web site 
as follows:
January - 201 
February - 322
March - 291
April - 1596
May - 1857
June - 1350
July - 2516
August - 1775
R
ESULTS
OF
JAWS 
AND
MAG
IC
H
OME
U
SE
P
ROGRAM
M
ARKETING
E
FFORT
(C
ONTINUED
)

-Original Message-
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RE: Window-Eyes error messages

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi David:

Just a little funny thing.

I about did a doubletake when I let Windows 10 mail preview your message.  It 
got down to the word developer and cut it off, so it sounded like you were 
about to talk about error reports sent to the devil ( d e v I l ).  Had to 
press Enter on this one just to make sure I hadn’t heard something weird.



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From: David via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes error messages

Besides, sending error reports, is nothing but useless.


the error reports that would go to the developing team of the screen 
reader, will likely end up in a non-attended mailbox, and all your 
efforts are good for nothing.


The error reporting system for apps that generate an error report, has 
long been known to have issues. I have NEVER got any reports from users, 
who used the built-in reporting system, whenever my apps generated any 
errors. It was called to GW's attention a few times, but they never got 
it fully sorted. And the servers for forwarding the reports to the app 
developer, might not necessarily be all that operative any longer.


My best advice, would be to ignore all error reporting, and turn off any 
such feature. Should you encounter error messages, please report them on 
the list, and chances are that someone here has a fix for you.


Even if you don't fill in any extra comments on the error report, simply 
just sending it, does generate net traffic, and will benefit NOONE.



On 9/14/2017 2:20 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> What error messages are you getting?
> I'm running Window-Eyes 9.5.4 on Windows 10 Pro 64 with the Creators 
> update and haven't seen any.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 9/13/2017 5:21 PM, Ian Westerland via Talk wrote:
>> Hello everyone.  I am noticing many more error messages when 
>> Window=Eyes opens.  This does not seem to be associatedd with 
>> anything in particular.  The same response reports are still there 
>> so, even though I know there won't be a response, I am still sending 
>> them.
>> Of course, this is going to happen with a lack of support and is 
>> therefore expected.
>>
>> Window-Eyes still functions so I continue to use it.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>> Ian Westerland
>>
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Google calendar useability

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

I am considering working for someone who wants me to enter appointments into 
his google calendar after he gives me access to it.

Have any of you ever done this, and can you share some tips on the best way to 
use it?

Thanks!

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JAWS updates (was RE: not getting at my home e-mail)

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Hi:

I would imagine JAWS will get some kind of update to JAWS 18.  VFO said we 
should see some Edge support in the JAWS 18 cycle, even if we do not update to 
JAWS 2018.

Dennis:

Congrats on purchase of a MAC!  Mine went south for the winter a few years ago, 
but, it was the most flexible buying option I ever made as far as a computer 
was concerned.   It did everything I wanted and more.  If I get a chance, I’ll 
get another one.


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RE: contacting Doug.

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They're changing the version numbering scheme.  JAWS 19 is now going to be JAWS 
2018.  I think all their software is going to the year model version numbering.

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RE: contacting Doug.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Ah, I think I see where you’re going with this.

Are you saying things may be getting to a point where the cost of maintaining 
JAWS is greater than anyone wants to pay in terms of keeping the company going?

I know it’s not because of Narrator being a superior product on the Windows 
side.  It is improving, but, not enough for many of us to get rid of JAWS.



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From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Well, Michael, I once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could not win
in the courts, was well fought and won outside; with its cohorts and coterie
of friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat!  

The merger with AI Square came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to see it
happen, but what voice do I have?

I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment
developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, just may
be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the sparrow,
Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture capitalists will soon
squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the void at least
here in the United States!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Quick note about latest clean install of Windows 10 insider preview build 16251

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

I just clean-installed Windows 10 Insider preview build 16251 and Window-Eyes 
is still rocking along.  The error tones relating to the display driver 
happened once, but, after I logged out and back in, haven’t occurred.

Later today, my Windows 10 hould update to build 16257 and I will see how that 
goes.

Cheers!

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RE: Jaws start up

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Dave:

One more thing:

Do you have a shortcut key set up for the JAWS shortcut on the desktop?  This 
way, if your computer is running and you don’t have JAWS running, you can still 
press the shortcut key to start jaws back up.


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From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:24 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws start up

Hi all, 

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.  
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.  
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen.  But a
couple of times  when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me locate
the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.  

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check things
to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.  

Thanks for any help it is appreciated.  Dave 
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RE: I'm Back!

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I never left.  I did join the groups.io group, but, gmail will direct both to 
the same folder/label.

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RE: Behind in times.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi David:

If you are running Windows 7 or later, you probably will be safe downloading 
the 64 bit version (which is the first one offered).  As you surmised, it won’t 
hurt to use the tandem version.  VFO will ask you if you prefer home or pro 
version of JFW.  If you are using your screen reader for personal use, it’s 
cheaper to use the home version.  If you are using the screen reader at work, 
the pro version is what they recommend.

When you go to install JAWS, you can leave WE running until you are prompted to 
press Enter to begin the installation of JAWS.  One more thing.  You probably 
want to tell WE not to automatically start up, because JAWS will start up after 
a reboot.

If this information is late, please disregard.



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From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Behind in times.

Hi everyone,  

Well as always I have not yet migrated to JFW.  I always like to wait awhile
for people to get a new update or new screen reader before I will give it a
try.  I used to always do this with WE also because ther are numerous bugs
to be worked and so I wait until it is all in good working order.  

Anyway, I am going to finally download JFW today.  I am absolutely terrified
since I had tried JFW before when I called them and they sent me a demo CD
to give it a try.  I absolutely hated it and totally forgot about JFW and
continued with WE.  d

Now I have saved a lot of the tips in a folder that has been shared on this
sight but one thing I did not save or accidently deleted is how to go about
the JFW download.  

I have the link for the migration saved on IE so I am ready there.  
What I am wondering is do I have to  turn WE off to do the download or
can I leave it on to help me make the choices I need to make while
downloading JFW?  I also have heard of different types of downloads like
home, professional, tandem.  Which is the best to use.  I assume it will be
home since I only have a home computer and do email, things on the web and
use Microsoft word.  If I understand I should go tandem that way I can give
FO access to my computer if I run into problems.  

Any help for the behind the times user would be greatly appreciated.  Please
also keep your fingers crossed I do not throw the computer out the window if
things go haywire.  


Dave 

 
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RE: longshot

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Usually, they put a clause in about not engaging in a type of work for a set 
period of time.  Don’t know if they can permanently shut someone out of a field.



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From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: 'Butch Bussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: longshot

Butch, that means, like Dan Weirich, Doug has been paid off enough pennies!
He disappears like the vanishing wind into FORCED retirement and an SSL
padlock on his tongue and lips just as was the case for certain human
species back in the 1800's albeit real padlocks and iron bars were deployed
in that era; this is still being done today in more subtle fashions!

He, like Ted Hinter, will probably come up with something else, but he MUST
NEVER EVER touch screen accessibility for the blind.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: DECtalk USB Question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I wonder if FS has really worried about external synths for a while now.
They certainly do not support as many as they used to.  Now that a lot of
folks use software speech, external speech devices are probably not a
priority for them.  Window-Eyes sure supported a lot more external synths
that JAWS does now.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Tony C ;
Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

>From day one, I've always plugged my tripletalk usb directly into a usb
port.  I never had this problem with window eyes.  It seems to be a jaws
issue.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:12 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: DECtalk USB Question

Hi Russ,

I'm curious whether you have plugged your unit directly into a PC USB port
rather than a USB hub, powered or unpowered.
As for hubs, I always use those which come with their own power adaptor.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: July 3, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

Hi, There has been and still is an issue with some sound card and Window
that allow the drivers to drop out. I was told by a Microsoft person a while
back that there are some know foucus issues in Windows. They are slowly
being corrected. You may go to the Manufacture website for you sound card
and make sure you have the most up-to-date sound drivers for your device.
HTH

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:12 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

I have the same problem you are having with your dectalk usb.  I'm using a
tripletalk usb and It stops speaking after a few seconds when using alt+down
arrow (the jaws say all command) on web pages or reading a html document.
Email Mike Cozzolino,m...@axsol.com at Access Solutions.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 5:17 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: DECtalk USB Question

Hi,

I just got my DECtalk USB synthesizer.

I've noticed 2 things going on with it.

First, when I use the say-all command on the weatherunderground web page, it
reads for a while then stops, and I have to restart Jaws.

The second thing is that Jaws isn't keeping my changes to my voice profile
for the DECtalk USB.

Has anybody encountered these problems and if so, what did you do to solve
them.

Thanks,



Pastor Gil

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RE: win 10 update more info

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

If you can get your sighted friend to help, you might try uninstalling the
sound driver.  Then, when you restart, first, Win 10 uses a generic driver
that works for a few minutes while it goes to the net and re-downloads the
correct sound driver for your system.

That's one possibility.



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Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:27 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: win 10 update more info

Hi Again:

 

Ok, had a friend with sight and all looked good on the screen

 

All icons and the  keyboard worked with the desktop icons

 

Thus, nothing wrong with windows 10, but, the problem, no speech.

 

I tried to use the window eyes command to start but no lluck

 

Then my friend tried to click on the window eyes icon and still nothing.

 

So I am assuming that either the sound card is finished or the sound is
muted

 

That is it for me, I will need some help from a tech person unless I could
install win eyes again from the cd, possible yes or no?

 

Don't you just love computers, (smile)

Don

 

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RE: future use of WE

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Hi:

Let me say that I'm typing this message in Outlook 2016 with WE 9.5.4 with
no significant problems.

However, I am using Windows 10 Insider Preview build 16232.  WE is working
for some things, but, it always comes up with the four beeps, indicating
video driver issues.  In the about box, WE says "Video Driver not Attached".
WE still responds to Internet Explorer as usual.  It's possible I won't be
able to use the mouse pointer for a lot of things.  I do think WE is still
using UI Automation, since it works extremely well with Bard Express, to
site one example.

So, I don't think WE will just quit.  There are things it won't access as
well, due to program changes and no response from WE developers.  So, until
the Fall Creator's update comes out, WE should keep working without major
issues.

I was using it with the Windows 10 mail app, but, they did something and it
no longer seems to work.  This is a modern app and is subject to change
through the use of MS's update system.

Now, if you're using Windows 7/8/8.1, you probably won't notice much for a
while, as most things will not be updated to be incompatible.  
If WE is doing what you want, keep using it.  If you can take advantage of
the offer from VFO, go ahead and accept it, so it'll be in reserve if
something really gets broken.

Remember, you can put JAWS on the computer and it won't hurt anything.  That
way, you can switch quickly from one to the other.
ThankS!


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Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: future use of WE

I have been a WE user for over 20 years and always felt it was the best
screen reader.  Now with no more development I have to realize that the next
major release of Win 10 just may stop WE dead in its tracks.  As I recall in
the past every new release of Windows required an update to WE to make WE
work with it.  So now if you plan on using WE well into the future you are
probably going to have to avoid any future major Windows upgrades.  Is that
a bad thing who knows.
I am finding that NVDA does a pretty good job with very few things it
doesn't do as well as WE.  I did take up VFO's offer of a free copy of Jaws
and am using it as my secondary screen reader.  If you plan on staying with
a Windows based computer I don't understand why you would not take the free
copy of Jaws.  Actually the Jaws SMA's are less expensive than the WE SMA's
I had purchased in the past.


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RE: How to get rid of that Annoying Clang Sound when Opening a Messagecontaining Table Format

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

That clanging sound can be disabled in Windows sounds.

Press the Windows key and type “system sounds” in the search box.  One of the 
results you get will be “system sounds”.  Press Enter on that one and you can 
then explore which sounds are used for which programs.  There will be a 
category of sounds for Window-eyes.  Under that, you should be able to find it.

I should be around later if you’re having trouble finding it.


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From: Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: How to get rid of that Annoying Clang Sound when Opening a 
Messagecontaining Table Format

Hello everyone,
This is a Window-Eyes 101 issue which I have hunted all over to resolve.
There is a really loud and obnoxious clang sound which occurs when one opens
a message in Outlook which is in table format as well as when you receive
alerts in a browser.  It is so loud, that I frequently miss the
message/warning or related.  I have tried to find where this sound is
triggered and yes, it's probably blatantly obvious!  
 
So where is this sound activated and can it be disabled?
 
Thanks.
 
Amanda Lee
  
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[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

I’m about to download the Insider Preview build 16215 to see if WE still works 
with it.

I’ll get back when things settle down.

Here are a couple interesting things they’re doing with Narrator that some of 
you might want to watch out for:

Narrator Improvements:
• Scan Mode on By Default: The largest change that you will experience is that 
Scan Mode is now on by default. This means that:
• Up and Down Arrows to get through everything: You can simply use the up and 
down arrow keys to get through all of the content of your application.
• Press Space to Interact: To interact with simple controls (such as buttons, 
checkboxes, toggle buttons etc. you can press the space bar).
• Editbox Switching: If you navigate to an edit field using the up and down 
arrows, Narrator will automatically turn off Scan Mode so that you can type 
into the edit field. When you are ready to exit the edit field you can use the 
up and down arrows to exit the edit field and Narrator will turn scan mode back 
on.
• Turn off Scan Mode with Caps + Space: If you want to turn off scan mode, and 
want to get back to the old way of doing things, press Caps + Space. It will be 
turned off for that app and you will hear “Off”.
• Remembering the state of scan mode by application: If you explicitly turn off 
scan mode, by pressing Caps + Space in an application, this choice will be 
saved in an exceptions list so that when you reopen the application Scan Mode 
is off. To remove this application from the exceptions list you can press Caps 
+ Space again
• Left and Right Arrow to move by character: Left and right arrows will move 
you by character
• Since Scan Mode is now on by default, we’ve removed the popup dialog when 
first launching Narrator explaining how to start scan mode.
• Narrator Input learning: This will allow you to learn the keys on your 
device. Narrator will tell you the key that you have pressed, and the Narrator 
command associated with it. This mode can be turned on and off with Caps + 1.
• New and improved hotkeys: 
• To read from where you currently are through the rest of the application you 
can press Caps + R for Read.
• To jump to the beginning of an application you can now press Caps + Home and 
to jump to the end of an application you can press Caps + End.
• The read window command, Caps + W also had some improvements in this release. 
Caps + W will now read both the controls in the window and the text.
• Narrator Getting Started User Guide: There is now a button in the main 
Narrator UI to the Narrator User Guide located here, where you can find more 
information about scan mode and all of the Scan Mode commands.
Braille improvements: Narrator users can type and read using different braille 
translations, choose a blinking cursor representation, and choose the duration 
of “flash messages”. You can also now perform braille input for app shortcuts 
and modifier keys, which enables you to use your braille display for common 
tasks such as:
• Pressing the Tab key
• Pressing the Escape key
• Pressing the Windows key
• Pressing sequences like Win + U to open Ease of Access Settings
• Pressing sequences like Alt + F to open the file menu
• Pressing sequences like Ctrl + S to save
• Pressing sequences like Ctrl + Alt + N
• Using first letter navigation in lists
• And more!
For the app shortcuts, there are also new commands to perform that input. 
Here’s a list of example commands (Braille dots = Keyboard input):
• Space + dot4 + dot5 = Tab key (Tab key)
• Space + dot1 + dot2 = Shift + Tab key (Set skipping of blank braille windows 
on/off)
• Space + dot2 + dot3 + dot4 + dot5 = Alt + Tab key (Set track screen cursor 
on/off)
• Space + dot2 + dot4 + dot5 + dot6 = Windows key (Set sliding braille windows 
on/off)
• Space + dot1 + dot2 + dot3 + dot5 = Windows + Tab key (Set autorepeat on/off)
• Space + Routing Key 1 – 12 = F1 – F12 keys
• Dot7 = Backspace key
• Dot8 = Enter key
• Space + dot2 + dot6 = Escape key
• Space + dot3 = Cursor left key
• Space + dot6 = Cursor right key
• Space + dot1 = Cursor up key
• Space + dot4 = Cursor down key
• Space + dot2 + dot3 = Page up key
• Space + dot5 + dot6 = Page down key
• Space + dot2 = Home key
• Space + dot5 = End key
• Space + dot3 + dot5 = Insert key
• Space + dot2 + dot5 + dot6 = Delete key
Inject and hold one or more modifier keys followed by another letter or key:
• Space + dot8 + dot1 = Hold Windows key
• Space + dot8 + dot2 = Hold Alt key
• Space + dot8 + dot3 = Hold Ctrl key
• Space + dot8 + dot4 = Hold Shift key
• Space + dot8 + dot5 = Hold AltGr key
• Space + dot8 + dot6 = Hold Caps Lock key
• Space + dot8 + dot7 = Un-hold all modifiers

Just thought I’d throw that in.


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RE: can someone help me a little?

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Hi:

When using JAWS, you do it almost the same way as Window-Eyes, except that you 
have to enable the JAWS cursor before arrowing up and down.  I’m assuming you 
are using the desktop layout.  If so, you enable the JAWS cursor using the 
minus key on the numpad.  JAWS will say, “JAWS Cursor”.  You can arrow up and 
down, pretty much the same way you did in Window-Eyes.  The mouse follows you, 
just like it does in Window-Eyes.  However, when you finish reviewing things, 
you need to switch back to the PC cursor using the plus key on the numpad.  
Otherwise, your arrow keys will still be reviewing the screen.

I have to say that I like Window-Eyes’ way of screen review, because I use the 
numpad exclusively for that, whereas my regular arrow keys do what they would 
for anyone else, without me having to switch cursors.  Every-so-often, when I’m 
using JAWS, I forget to switch back to the pc cursor for a minute and get 
confused, though, this lasts only a few seconds,then I realize I forgot to 
switch back.  Since I use the JAWS demo, right now, most of my work is still 
with Window-Eyes.  

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 3:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: can someone help me a little?

Dear friends,

I recently just switch to jaws after 20 or more years using the superb screen 
reader called window-eyes.  One majorproblem that I am experience is that I 
cant figure out how to review the screen line by line. For example, goto the 
desktop.
Find the This Computer Icon.
Press alt enter on this computer to open its properties.
I know that you can use the insert+B in jaws to read the whole window, but how 
to read this whole screen from top to bottom line by line and word by word 
where necessary?

Your kind help is appreciated.

Kind regards,

Michael Mixcallef
Malta Europe.
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RE: control, alt, W no longer starts or restarts WE

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Yep, that’s exactly what they did.

Even if you just press Enter on Window-Eyes from the desktop or start menu, 
Window-Eyes will reload.  Great when you want to run Window-Eyes as an 
administrator—you have speech through the whole process.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:09 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: control, alt, W no longer starts or restarts WE

I think what they did was to allow the use of the Windows short-cut key, 
even when window-eyes was running.
Window-eyes used to say window-eyes is already running when you hit the 
control-alt-w, but now it restarts window-eyes instead.
The hot key still must be defined somewhere, and when window-eyes is first 
installed, it is automatically defined on the desk top.
As a side note, when things get messed up, sometimes the control-alt-w key, 
for me, will not work when window-eyes is running.  When this happens, press 
control-insert-f4 and press enter to close window-eyes, wait a few seconds 
to hear the closing sound, and then press control-alt-w again to start the 
program from scratch!
hth,
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 6:56 PM
To: Ashley Breger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: control, alt, W no longer starts or restarts WE

But in the last few versions, they had put on control alt w in case window
eyes would crash, and it was supposed to be able to restart window eyes.  It
has worked most of the time for me.  So, maybe you have to reinstall it.
Or, is it an ap?  I know somebody said all their aps were suddenly gone.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Ashley Breger via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 6:21 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: control, alt, W no longer starts or restarts WE

What I always did turn on window – eyes was to press control escape to get
to the control panel then I would press W give it a moment then arrow down
to. I believe the layout has changed as now I only have to arrow down one
but I'm not sure what the layout would be like on your computer.
Hope this helps,
Ashley

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Loy via Talk  
> wrote:
>
> control, alt, W no longer starts or restarts WE, will I have to reinstall 
> WE to fix this, or is there a setting in WE control panel for this?
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RE: Problem with app central

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I suspect they’ve let the certificate expire.

They are not used to maintaining the GW sites, but, sending a message to 
wesupp...@aisquared.com will probably get it resolved.

They are getting big enough that, sometimes, the left hand doesn’t know what 
the right hand is doing.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:28 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Problem with app central

Hi Donald,

I got the same message when I tried to download Jeff Bishop's app.
I'll send an email to wesupp...@aisquared.com to let them know.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: June 5, 2017 9:18 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Problem with app central

I certainly hope that someone has had the foresight to download all of 
the scripts from App central. When I attempted to search the site this 
afternoon, I got a message alleging that the sight was not secure, and I 
was precluded from getting in at all to download Window-eyes scripts.  
It is my sincere hope that this is not some thinly disguised effort on 
the part of VFO to tighten the screws on Window-eyes users.


In case anyone has them and is willing to send them to me, I need 
scripts for Ed Sharp and also for the Duxbury braille translator.  The 
Winamp scripts of which I speak are those written by Jeff Bishop, and 
they are just great.  I know of course that the Jaws scripts are fine, 
but I prefer to continue using Window-eyes 9.5.4.


Thanks.


Don Roberts


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RE: win ten mail app.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Here is what I’ve experienced with regard to reading mail with this app.

Usually, the first time I open a message, it reads automatically, at least the 
first page.  However, when I close the message and go to the next one, it opens 
up, but, does not read.  I can then press ctrl+home and then the read-to-end 
command ctrl+shift+r, and it usually reads the complete message.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:16 AM
To: Window Eyes Help List
Subject: win ten mail app.

Hi guys I am using the win ten mail app its working okay.
But I find it a hit and miss to read emails.
Sometimes it just reads it all.
And if it does not I seam to have to arrow through the email.
Cheers Michael.

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RE: The JAWS Experience

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Let me add one thing to this:

If you used to have a paid version of Window-Eyes, you may be eligible to 
upgrade to JAWS at a reduced price.

However, if you have only used the Office version, the only option you have is 
to purchase JAWS outright.

Whether this will change in the future is not known, but, most of us doubt it.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 12:25 PM
To: 'Jerrie Ricks'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The JAWS Experience

Hi,

You have the Office version of Window-Eyes.  You don't get to migrate to
JAWS from this version for free.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jerrie Ricks via Talk
Sent: 05 June 2017 16:52
To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience

Chris,

I am trying to migrate to JAWS and was in touch with Freedom Scientific to
find out the correct process for accomplishing this.  I looked in About
Window Eyes to get my serial number which read gwweoffice.  The BFO
assistant said this could not be accurate since the serial number should
begin with the letter P.  Perhaps she was mistaken since she did not really
appear to be certain of her information.

Can you please help?  Where can I find a more accurate serial number, or do
you have other information about migrating that would be helpful?  Thank you
so very much for your assistance.  I frequently gain assistance from the
valuable information you give in your contributions to the list.

Thanks again.

Your friend,
Granger

-Original Message-
From: Chris G via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:26 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience

They reelease new JAWS upgrades in October.
18 is the latest version.

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On Wed, 17 May 2017 22:20:18 -0700
net bat via Talk  wrote:

> you arn't. look on the gwmicro page. it says you get version 18.
> but i am wondering if you waited until july to see if they release 
> version 20, maybe you could get version 20 upgrade instead?
>
> -Original Message- From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: 'Chris G' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: The JAWS Experience
>
> Then, why are we getting version 17? Or am I incorrect about the 
> version being given to us free of charge?
>
> Paulette
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:29 AM
> To: Robert Grimwood via Talk
> Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience
>
> JAWS 18 is the current version.
>
>
>
> Chris Grabowski
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>
>  Original Message 
> From: Robert Grimwood via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:26 AM EST
> To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Dave'
> Subject: The JAWS Experience
>
>   Dear all,
>
>
> my wife and I have Jaws 16. I am used to Window-Eyes, but I am 
> beginning to feel that I will have to migrate. Since I am using 
> Windows 10; will I notice a significant improvement if I upgrade to Jaws
17?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Grimwood
>
>
> On 5/17/2017 8:20 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
> This is reassuring.
>
>
> Alison
>
>
>
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RE: Window-Eyes Got Uninstalled

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hmmm.  Hasn’t happened yet.  My WE is still tooling along.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:28 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes Got Uninstalled

Hi all,

This morning while online, Window-Eyes was uninstalled somehow.  Has that 
happened to anyone else?

I had to reinstall from CD.

Peter Duran

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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

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Hi:

Here’s the page where the tutorials can be found:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate

Just hit H till you get to “Tutorials/Podcast”.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shannon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:00 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hello Raul,
I know for certain that I had missed it, but you have made some tutorials for 
Window eyes users to transfer to JAWS?
Could you, would you, re-forward or share the links with me? Thank you very 
much appreciate it Shannon
Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk 
 wrote:

Hello Rod, this is normal behavior. One thing which I would suggest is perhaps 
you copy the Jaws icon so you have your own. Then make the shortcut to that 
one. This way if it's updated, you will still have your original one with the 
Windows shortcut hot key. Of course, you could simply go in and define the 
Windows shortcut once again, but at least there are choices.

Thanks.


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> On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> Thanks,
> Rod
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RE: what is fs reader

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

The main thing you can do at first with FS Reader is to listen to the training 
materials.  You can do this in 2 ways.

>From the JAWS help menu, select Training and FS reader will open to the JAWS 
>Basic Training table of contents.

You can also just open FS Reader and press CTRL+J to open the table of contents.
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RE: Tutorial Question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi again:

Since you are coming from Window-Eyes, I would start with Raul’s tutorials on 
the page I gave you.

It’ll get you through the major things you do.

Here’s a list of the topics covered:

• Startup Wizard Tutorial [Audio]
• Startup Wizard Tutorial [Transcript]
• Basic Hotkeys Tutorial [Audio]
• Basic Hotkeys Tutorial [Transcript]
• Information Hotkeys Tutorial [Audio]
• Information Hotkeys Tutorial [Transcript]
• Getting Help Tutorial [Audio]
• Getting Help Tutorial [Transcript]
• Synthesizers Tutorial [Audio]
• Synthesizers Tutorial [Transcript]
• Outlook Tutorial [Audio]
• Outlook Tutorial [Transcript] 
• Cursor Reading Tutorial [Audio]
• Cursor Reading Tutorial [Transcript]
• Web Browsing Tutorial [Audio]
• Web Browsing Tutorial [Transcript]

Hope this helps.

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From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:19 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tutorial Question

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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RE: Tutorial Question

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Hi Ted:

They are one in the same.

Here is a link to where you’ll find them:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate

Hit H for headings until you come to the heading that says, “Tutorials/Podcast” 
and you’ll find them there.

Hope this helps.

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To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Tutorial Question

First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in the
myriads of postings.

Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and those
mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out which
one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UKTime

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hmmm.  JAWS is telling me my balance is minus 18.50 .  I’ll try it with 
WE and see if it’s still negative.

Just kidding—I hope.


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From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm 
UKTime

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to go 
to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014 
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know the 
whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just my 
opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch 
from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I will 
say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the United 
States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some 
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for it.  
Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists frequented 
by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at just about 
everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand 
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a 
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it till 
I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to 
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is 
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have 
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with 
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely to 
Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with Jaws. 
 Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Is the price lower than you expected?

Just kidding.

While I am curious to hear Mr. Hartgen’s approach, my curiosity isn’t enough 
for me to plop down $38.50 or whatever the exchange rate is—I’m still coming up 
with the money I hope to have to migrate to JAWS in the first place, and that 
isn’t a done deal yet.

Not to mention I get all the use I need out of Window-Eyes, and JAWS that I 
need right now.  I’m pretty much self-taught.  I’ve never paid for computer 
instruction.  I’ve even helped one or two sighted people out of jams.

No, I don’t think I know it all.  I can always learn something new—that’s why I 
like lists like this one.

I, also applaud Raul’s work in helping folks transition.

I even think the folks at VFO are trying to put as good a spin on it as they 
can.  The lady I spoke to at VFO was quite nice, and they seem willing to work 
with us on our problems.

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From: Darrell Bowles
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The 
Switchfrom window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,7pm UK 
Time

The cost of the course is a surprise. 
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FW: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,7pm UK Time

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi list:

Any of you seen this?

I won’t comment either way on it, just forwarding it.


New Training Course. Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS!

Introduction.

It's no secret that sales of the Window-Eyes screen-reader have ended. The 
owning company VFO are offering JAWS for Windows as a replacement for 
Window-Eyes users. But how do you get started with JAWS? How easy is it to 
transition from one screen-reader to another? How do you accomplish some of the 
most basic tasks you would want to do with your screen-reader?
All these questions and more will be answered in our training course, Over 
Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS. 
During the session, lasting approximately 90 minutes, Brian Hartgen will show 
you the basics of how to use JAWS for windows and give you plenty of useful 
tips and tricks along the way. Best of all, you'll be able to keep a recording 
of the Webinar and get a text document containing keystrokes and a summary of 
essential points for later reference. The Webinar will also give you plenty of 
opportunity to ask questions.

Brian Hartgen has been using JAWS for over 20 years. He is also a beta tester 
for JAWS, MAGic and ZoomText Fusion, has completed the advanced JAWS scripting 
course at VFO's Headquarters in florida and has completed JAWS certification in 
2017. So not only is his knowledge of JAWS as current as it can be, but he came 
to the JAWS screen-reader from a Window-Eyes background.

The course will be delivered online via our accessible Talking Communities 
server. If you have not used this conferencing software before, you will 
receive instructions prior to the commencement of the course. This software 
allows for the delivery of the presentation, including the output from the 
screen-reading software in high quality audio.

What Will I Learn?

The cool thing about courses from Hartgen Consultancy is that to some extent 
they are tailored to the user's requirements. So topics can be quickly worked 
through if you ask. However, you will learn:
• How to use the JAWS Startup Wizard.
• Adjusting the rate of speech and typing echo.
• Getting help.
• Keystrokes to get information quickly.
• Reading documents.
• Useful JAWS features in Microsoft word.
• The basics of browsing the internet.
• How to get more help.

Costing.

The Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS course is priced £30 which 
is currently $38. It will be held on Thursday 1 June at 7 PM UK time which is 2 
PM US Eastern.
If you cannot make this date, don't worry, you can still obtain the archive 
shortly after the event.
Payment should reach us by the morning of Thursday 1 June.
Purchase Over Easy: The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS Online.
Alternatively, anyone who would like to take part in the course should register 
their interest by sending an Email to j...@hartgen.org, whereupon a fully 
accessible electronic invoice will be sent to you which can be paid through 
PayPal or any major credit or debit card. Orders can also be placed by 
telephone:
• Call us (from within the UK): 02920-850298.
• Call us (from the United States): 415-871-0626.
• Call us (from any other country): (+44)2920-850298.
If you would like to read the views from participants of our previous courses, 
please Visit our Training area.
The Talking Communities chat room and recording of the Webinar, made available 
after the event, can be accessed through a secure area of our website which is 
only available to course participants.

Summary.

For some people, it can be hard to move from one screen-reader to another, 
particularly if you've been using Window-Eyes for very many years. But here is 
a chance to get your skills to a point where you can work with JAWS 
effectively, and use that knowledge to learn more as you go. Join us to find 
out what JAWS can do for you! 
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RE: move to jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

OOne thing I learned just now is that I can use MicroSoft’s mobile voices with 
NVDa.  For example, none of the other screen-readers can use the new Mark voice 
from MicroSoft because it’s a mobile voice.  Someone wrote an NVDA add-on that 
allows use the the Mobile SAPI voices.  It’s a little sluggish intyping, but, 
I’ve always wanted a way to use the Mark voice with something besides Narrator.


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From: Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:50 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: move to jaws

I'll have to agree here.  Using JFW with Thunderbird is quite 
disappointing to me.  JFW can't give message counts or indexes in 
message folders.  NVDA does this very well.  WE in my opinion works 
better with TB than JFW does except for the fact that TB often crashes 
when using WE.  For me the commercial screen readers have problems with 
TB that NVDA overcomes.  I'm glad I now have all three screen readers to 
use since each of them has deficiencies for some programs.


On 5/28/2017 1:11 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
> getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.  For 
> me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to use NVDA 
> as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things come up that 
> NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.
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RE: Is it possible?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

As stated, you can install JAWS without uninstalling Window-Eyes.  One thing 
you do need to be aware of, though, is to make sure that you disable 
Window-Eyes’ automatic startup, otherwise JAWS and Window-Eyes will try to run 
together.  This can result in weird things happening, not to mention 2 speech 
synthesizers talking at the same time.

On the issue of Window-Eyes CD, I recommend writing to:

wesupp...@aisquared.com

and asking that question.

Thanks!

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From: Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:48 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Is it possible?

Hello I wanted to know if I get jaws will it install over my current 
version of win eyes?  I don't want to loose it and I don't have a cd of 
it.  So my next question is can I still get a cd of win eyes 9.5? 
Thanks Rick
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RE: xp question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

If you are using XP, the last version that would run Windows XP is Window-Eyes 
version 9.1.

Here are a couple links--grab them before they go away:

The Window-Eyes For Office installer for Windows XP is at:

http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/WindowEyesForOffice/installer/WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9100.exe

You need to have Office 2010 installed for this to work.

The 60-day evaluation of Window-Eyes 9.1 is at:

http://getwindoweyes.com/demo/we91eval.exe

On Windows XP, you need to be running Service Pack 3 for best results.  I 
believe you also need to have DotNet Framework 3.5 already installed or 
Vocalizer Speech won't work.  

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From: michaeel's mail via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:52 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: xp question

Hi guys what is the last version of WE that will run on XP windows.
cheers Michael.
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RE: Jaws and copy text question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

That’s how it often goes with some new things.

At least JAWS has a kind of equivalent method that can be employed if you like 
the f8 method.  True, not the same keystrokes, but, it does achieve pretty much 
the same thing.

Just shows how folks can get used to, then embrace something they first aren’t 
sure about.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris G via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:50 PM
To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question

 Original Message 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.

Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. 
  If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile)

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RE: New version of zoomtext fusion.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi there:

I may be able to help, to a point.

Just for the heck of it, I’m going to install Fusion 10 and then see what 
happens if I put the new version on top of it.  I’m a glutton for punishment.  
I’ll report back.



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From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: New version of zoomtext fusion.

Ok, saw  new jaws version of zoomtext fusion was released yesterday. I
brought this up out here, attempted to email doug geoffray (sorry if i
spelled last name wrong) email address that he emailed the list with and it
came back as undeliverable. Also wrote using contact form on vfo website
but hasn't heard anything in response.  I just called sales to ask how much
upgrading would be and the answer was $200 for the upgrade. Personally,
since the people who bought the we based version of zt fusion are in the
same boat as we people, i'm not saying the product should be given to us
free, at least a discounted upgrade price should be offered. While i
understand the name zoomtext fusion is being used, it's a different
program. Obviously jaws is the screen reader and not we but also, for
zoomtext to work with jaws, zoomtext hotkeys were changed.  I can't get
clear answer on this but my understanding is that in the new zoomtext
fusion the neospeech voices kate and paul will not be there. Which selling
a zoomtext product without them is like selling jaws without eloquence.
Kate has been my voice for screenreading for almost 14 years. I need her. I
bought the we version of zoomtext fusion as i was using we for office and
zoomtext together and having them work well with each other was what i
needed. I spent $400 to buy the we version of fusion. As it stands, if i
upgrade,  $200 for the software, $100 to neospeech to buy kate and paul  if
they ain't included and $200 for a sma. I'm now spending more tohen what i
spent to buy fusion in the first place. I haven't touched jaws since middle
school, while i'm sure i can get basics of jaws if they somewhat similar to
15 years back. Anything passed that paying for training is something i
might have to do. Not to mention there are several we apps i used with
fusion. I have no idea if similar scripts exist for jaws. I'm not trying to
be whinning entitled person. Y'all say this isn't the fs of the past and
y'all do y'all customers right.  I'm willing to give y'all a chance.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva
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RE: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Press Jaws key+6 to get into settings center, press ctr+shift+d to use the 
default configuration.  Type the letters l a b into the edit box.  Tab over and 
press Space on the Key Label result.  A dialog will open showing you a list of 
all the keys you can change labels for.  For example, you can arrow down to Tab 
and you’ll hear JAWS say “Tab Tab Speak”.  Press Space on it and it will change 
to “Mute”.  When you’ve made all the changes you want, tab to OK and press 
Enter.  Next, you can hit alt+f4 to close Settings Center and say “Yes” to the 
prompt to save changes.

Here’s the link to the FSCast that talks about this:


http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Updates,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3


I used Mail’s insert function, so, hopefully, it’ll play.

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From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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RE: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Actually, you won’t be able to tab to the volume setting for eloquence since it 
is greyed out.


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From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:07 AM
To: Andre; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?

Actually, the volume setting is also in the same screen.  It is the next 
tab after you set the pitch control.  Now, for something nice, though, 
they did include hot keys for changing the speed. Increase and decrease 
for temporary use is alt-page up and alt-page down.  To make permanent 
changes, throw in the windows key to the mix, grin.

Carol



On 5/26/2017 8:25 AM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> Thanks Carol. I was still on default. Had no idea I had to change them
> individually. I definitely like WE'S option that lets you change all voices
> at once. One thing. How do you change the volume? I assumed it would be an
> option in there as well, but it was not.
>
>   
>
> Thanks again,
>
>   
>
>   
>
> From: m...@jfw.groups.io [mailto:m...@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
> Smith via Groups.Io
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:25 AM
> To: m...@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?
>
>   
>
> Re: Eloquence pitch in jaws?
> Yes, this can be done.  My instructions may not be the best, but I think you
> can figure it out since you have already been in the Jaws options and found
> the voice settings.  From within the voices setting, choose voice
> adjustment.
> Press alt-v to get to the combo box where you choose which cursor you want
> to modify.
> you will get to an option where you can down arrow through options for
> default cursor, PC cursor, Jaws cursor, etc.
> You can not have the option set to default.  After choosing the cursor you
> want to set, tab until you find the pitch setting. This is the next tab
> after
> the punctuation setting.
> You change it with the arrow keys.
> Once you have it set, tab to save as and give it a name, something you will
> recognize, like Glen pitch 44  and press enter on OK.
> You will be asked if you want to set this for the default.  Enter on yes or
> OK, I forgot what it is called at this point.
> Now, you will have access to that voice whenever you want to use it.
>
> Carol
>
> On 5/25/2017 8:52 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> block quote
> I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible
>
> to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
> haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
> for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.
>
>
> Along the same lines are there hot keys to rotor through the screen,
> keyboard, mouse, virtual cursor settings. In Window-Eyes it was
> control-Alt-arrows etc. Still trying to get used to things. I just activated
>
> my copy today.
>
>
> Much thanks,
>
>
> Andre
>
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> I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible
> to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
> haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
> for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.
>
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Re: where did I get it

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Don:

Looks like you came across the Window-Eyes end-of-life message.  It
comes up after the latest "update" to the WE Diag app.  It will come
up every time you restart Window-Eyes unless you check the box that
says, "don't show again" or something like that.


On 5/26/17, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Morning all:
>
> Ok, I must have had a dream
>
>
>
> I started my computer this morning and up came a great bunch of links with
> podcasts about jaws and we migration.
>
> All kinds of linksand I think it must have been a web page created by jaws
> for us we users.
>
> Was it from an we info file or from jaws, don't know.
>
> In trying to find out what it came from it desapperaed.
>
> Maybe it was an app from I squared square, in any case it would help us we
> users greatley, but, alas, how did I get it and where did it come from
>
>
>
> I know I was not dreaming.
>
> Don
>
>
>
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Addition to earlier message about using WE with Windows 10 Mail

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Well, it looks like, when I open the next message that won’t read, I don’t have 
to press ctrl+end.  I can just press ctrl+home, WE says “Top” then, the message 
will read.



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RE: End of Life Message

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I figure they’re trying to hit all WE users, just in case they couldn’t contact 
some by Email.

I, too, was surprised by an update message, but, then saw why that update was 
sent.  This, made me a little sad when I read the message.  Probably was Doug 
or someone else at VFO, who came from GW, originally, who wrote that update.  
It would feel like putting another nail in the coffin, for me.


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From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:54 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

Yesterday, the window eyes thing came on that tells you there are new aps to 
download.  It surprised me.  After I told it to download, I got that 
message.  So, I guess they sent an ap with that.  They really didn't need to 
do that!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

How are people getting this end of life message to come up?

On 5/25/2017 4:10 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> You would be smart to learn Jaws or brush up on it so when you need it 
> isn't
> as frustrating just my opinion.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:03 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: End of Life Message
>
> Hi.
> remember, no one is saying you have to stop using Window-eyes.  If it 
> works,
> keep right on using it as long as you can!  I also have JAWS once again on
> this machine but very rarely do I ever use it. it's there if I ever need 
> it.
> Window-eyes is going to be my primary screenreader until it doesn't work
> anymore.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/25/2017 11:48 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost
>> died due to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes
>> End of Life Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just
>> said window-eyes Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less
>> ominous.
>>
>> Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes
>> still works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I
>> just can't bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs
>> like Vipre and Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which
>> makes it work in safe mode and Jaws doesn't.
>>
>> Brenda
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RE: WE with Win 10 Mail

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Ramona:

I did find a work-around, of sorts.  Please try this for me since I’d like to 
know if it works for someone else besides me.

What I found is pretty much the same as you already observe.  However, here’s 
what I did.

When opening the first message, as you noticed, it worked.  When opening the 
next message, it didn’t seem to read anything.  For some reason, if I press 
ctrl+end, then ctrl+home, it then read fine.

Again, please try this and let us know if it works.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ramona Mandy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WE with Win 10 Mail

Hi,

My Name is Ramona mandy. I am new to this list and this is my first post. So 
please excuse me if this topic has already been discussed.

Does anyone have any experience with using WE with the Windows 10 Mail app and 
can advise on accessibility or otherwise?

I am running WE 9.5.4. 

I find that when I first launch Mail and Enter on the first message I select, 
WE will read it fine and I can navigate and hear the text by moving up or down 
arrow.

However, if I then close that message with escape or delete it with CTRL+D, 
then open another message, if I arrow up or down, it just says blank. WE also 
does not read it at all when I open it.

In this case, if I turn off browse mode and tab, I sometimes find a link to 
download message and pictures which is odd because I thought the message would 
already be downloaded. I enter on this and then sometimes I can launch browse 
mode and read the message, but once again, not always.

Sometimes, if the message is presenting as blank, I can turn off browse mode 
and will find a link by tabbing to read the message in a web browser which then 
works, but I don't want to have to always read my messages by opening them in 
IE.

I find the rest of the program is reasonably accessible such as tabbing to 
buttons. It is this reading problem that I am interested to hear how others 
have found it. 

Thanks
Ramona


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RE: A little help needed from the dead side

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Larry:

You might need to re-install video support.

Which version of WE are you using?  Is it 9.5.4?

Let me know.  I can send you a link to download the video support file from the 
GW Micro site.

Thanks!



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From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: A little help needed from the dead side

Dear Listers,

As I am not nearly in the position to migrate to the fish yet, I need a 
little help with an seemingly irreparable Windows 10 display driver.

I received, after updating a Windows Enhancement app which just made 
it's appearance, an official notice that there is no longer any life in 
WE after rebooting, that my display driver no longer functions properly 
with WE, and no matter how many times I have rebooted, I cannot get it 
to complete such repair. Does anybody have any ideas.

And yes, I confess, I am using WE for Office, but was a loyal paying 
user of the now dead product for at least 11 years, so please cut me a 
little slack.

Thanks for any help in advance,

Larry
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RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Speaking of elegance of code, when using the Bard Express program (a program 
from NLS that makes using BARD even easier), Window-Eyes has the most robust 
support for it.  JAWS does read all the information, but, not the column 
headings.  NVDA reads the column headings, but, truncates the information (like 
the annotation of the book, and anything longer than the displayed text).  
Narrator doesn’t perform well with it either, but, can’t remember the exact 
behavior.  SuperNova also doesn’t perform too well with it either.  Oh, yes, 
Window-Eyes also reads both progress and status information beautifully with 
this program.

There were things GW needed to play catch-up on, but, this is true with JAWS.  
Window-Eyes obviously has a better handle on the system tray, going beyond what 
is actually visible on the screen, whereas JAWS, as many have already observed, 
only reads what is visible.  The folks at GW were working on the OCR aspect, 
but, JAWS handles it pretty well, even letting you do mouse clicks if you need 
them.  If development had continued, I have no doubt that WE would have 
eventually developed it.  Maybe the folks at VFO can learn from some of the 
Window-Eyes features.  After all, I presume they have the source code.  Maybe 
some of its features can still be incorporated into JAWS.  As many have also 
observed, Window-Eyes has a better handle on handling progress bars, even 
giving you options on how much, and the kind of feedback you can get on 
progress and scroll bars.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:23 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does 
not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical 
status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the 
desktop and in Thunderbird.
Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there 
is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not 
(technically speaking) a true status bar.
It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader 
developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be 
created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on 
another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already
> maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to
> my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says
> 5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x
> number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some
> percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird
> that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to
> the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread
> messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into
> different accounts.
>
> I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the
> sunset, grin!
>
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the
>> window has been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>
>> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
>> line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
>> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
>> and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
>> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
>> says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
>> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
>> is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the
>>> numpad 3.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tom Fairhurst
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
>>> To: 

RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Actually, you can type l a b in there and it’ll find it.  Also, don’t forget to 
press ctrl+shift+d to make sure the default settings are loaded.  Otherwise, 
the settings will only be changed for the program you are using.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:37 PM
To: 'Thomas N. Chan'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Hi,

Go into the settings centre.  Press Insert-F2 for JAWS Managers and go down to 
Settings Centre and press Enter.  Now in the search box, type Manage Key, and 
you should get Manage Keyboard Labels.

I do like the settings centre better than Window-Eyes settings, because of the 
search function.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 17:42
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Dear Steve,
Thanks for the email.
Can I pick your brain in another matter if it can be done, or anyone out there.
In window-eyes, there's key label dictionary which it will allow  me to label 
or any combination keyboard hshortcut to something I like to hear.
Like example, ctrl - shift - I will bring me back to inbox in MS Outlook. I 
like jaws to read to me, inbox.
Is there a way to accomblish that? scripting or some settings somewhere?



regards
Thomas N. Chan 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:st...@comproom.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 12:16 AM
To: 'Thomas N. Chan' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Hi,

To spell the current word, press Insert-5 twice quickly.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:00
To: 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList' ; 'Carol and 
Roger' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Dear Joseph,
I really appreciate the info given.
The only pitty about the whole migration  is, there’s some function which 
window-eyes have, jaws either don’t or treat the info differently.
Like the progress  info, it will read automatically but I can’t repeat that 
again till it repeat itself. I hope I got this correctly.
I am yet to find the way to spell the word or the currently focus caret or 
character. You know, insert – numpad 4 or numpad 6 for window-eyes.
Its only been less than a week, I am yet to get some of the right info despitI 
did use jaws in my school previously.
 
 

regards
Thomas N. Chan
From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 2:48 PM
To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 
; 'Carol and Roger' 
Subject: RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?
 
Hi:
 
I don’t think there is a way to check the status of progress bars directly as 
there is in Window-eyes.
 
As for tool-tips, The only hotkey I can find that might do the trick is 
CTRL+Shift+f11.  Here is the help text ontthat one.
 

View System Tray ToolTips. Control + Shift + F11

Opens a Virtual Viewer window displaying the items currently in the System Tray.
 
Now, here’s the good news.  There is a way to select a whole block of text 
without continuously arrowing down through the text.
 
First, locate the place in the Web page you want to start at.  Then, press 
CTRL+Windows+K to set a temporary place marker.  Then, you can use read-to-end 
or what ever to get to the place you want to stop at.  Press Insert+space, then 
the letter m.  This will select all the text between the temporary place marker 
and where you are in the Web page.  Then, press CTRL+C to copy to the 
clipboard.  
 
I think some formatting is preserved, but, not sure how much.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail   for Windows 10
 
From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk 
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:00 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'  ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' 
Subject: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?
 
Dear long terms WE users,
I like or trying to find some sort of jaws similar  function in jaws to replace 
or comparable  with WE. these are the few I am using but so far, or don't know 
any. the Raul tuitorial  didn't mention that as far as I listen last night.
 
1. ctrl - insert  -tlast flash and tooltip 2. Ctrl - insert b progress and 
scroll bar 3. f8 select content in browse mode
 
I know the last one, I can use some sort of traditional selection and copy 
after. But 

RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Have you tried the laptop layout?

Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also available in 
a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;

ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip

Hope this helps.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ed Culpepper via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Greeting WE Migrants -
I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my left
hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
combinations to be frustrating.
Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
couple of questions:
1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key for
navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
awkwardness - any help?
2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
hand?
I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help will
be appreciated.
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the speech.

To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but instead 
only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the computer? If it 
can be set within JAWS, how is this done?

Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 

wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using 

RE: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I don’t think there is a way to check the status of progress bars directly as 
there is in Window-eyes.

As for tool-tips, The only hotkey I can find that might do the trick is 
CTRL+Shift+f11.  Here is the help text ontthat one.

View System Tray ToolTips. Control + Shift + F11
Opens a Virtual Viewer window displaying the items currently in the System Tray.

Now, here’s the good news.  There is a way to select a whole block of text 
without continuously arrowing down through the text.

First, locate the place in the Web page you want to start at.  Then, press 
CTRL+Windows+K to set a temporary place marker.  Then, you can use read-to-end 
or what ever to get to the place you want to stop at.  Press Insert+space, then 
the letter m.  This will select all the text between the temporary place marker 
and where you are in the Web page.  Then, press CTRL+C to copy to the 
clipboard.  

I think some formatting is preserved, but, not sure how much.

Hope this helps.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:00 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws equivalent replacement function? anyone?

Dear long terms WE users,
I like or trying to find some sort of jaws similar  function in jaws to
replace or comparable  with WE. these are the few I am using but so far, or
don't know any. the Raul tuitorial  didn't mention that as far as I listen
last night.

1. ctrl - insert  -tlast flash and tooltip
2. Ctrl - insert b progress and scroll bar
3. f8 select content in browse mode

I know the last one, I can use some sort of traditional selection and copy
after. But I am used to, when I start  of the documents or page, select it,
and let read to end do the job while I read the article or review it and end
selection, paste onto another documents for safe keeping. If I would use the
traditional one, I need to hold it for a very very long document. I believe
jaws got some similar in MS Word. Or is that Window-eyes?


regards
Thomas N. Chan 

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RE: JFW first impressions.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Steve:

Pausing isn’t as big a deal with me either.  But, you’re right.  I even went 
into settings and changed the say-all settings to “say all with pauses” and it 
didn’t seem to matter much at all.  Maybe there’s something else I’m not doing, 
but, I can’t think of it.  If it did make a difference, it might have been a 
5th of a second’s difference.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:08 AM
To: 'Kevin Huber'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JFW first impressions.

Hi Kevin,

It is.  Eloquence pauses all the time in WE, and I personally don't like that 
aspect.  JAWS there is no pausing at all and this is great for me, but not for 
everyone.

In the Code Factory SAPI Eloquence, you can turn this pausing on or off, but 
not in WE or JAWS as far as I know.

All the best

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 18:32
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: JFW first impressions.

Hi Brian:

I think that the pausing  issue is more likely a synthesizer issue, but I could 
be wrong.
Kevin Huber


On 5/16/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
> Ok, so I downloaded and installed the demo of JAWS 18. I’m slowly 
> getting the hang of it, though it’s taking me a while to figure out 
> how to save things like my keyboard settings and speech rate and 
> things like that so that they’ll be that way when JAWS first boots up. 
> I have noticed, and maybe there’s a way to change this? that when 
> reading a document it doesn’t seem to pause very long at the end of a 
> sentence, so it almost sounds like a run-on. That may seem trivial to 
> some but it does make it a little harder for me to follow what I’m 
> reading. But I’ve gotten so used to WE that JAWS is taking a while to 
> get reaccustomed to. But so far I might consider trying to scrape together 
> the funds for it.
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
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RE: Saving a copy of Window Eyes

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Paulette:

You earlier mentioned it was a zip file.  I have a feeling you won’t need an 
earlier version.  Could you tell me the name and filesize of your download?  
That will give me a clue.

Thanks! 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:11 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Saving a copy of Window Eyes

Do I need to download both a 9.0 copy as well as a 9.4 copy of Window Eyes,
so I can be sure of being able to use it?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:23 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Saving a copy of Window Eyes

I requested a full copy download of my 9.5.4 so I will be able to 
install it on my new computer when I get it.  It is a zip file and will 
need to be either unzipped to an empty folder or it can be placed on an 
external thumb drive or burned to a DVD and run from there.  Of course, 
should I want to keep my current settings, which may or may not be the 
case, I will also back up my WE profile folder.

Carol


On 5/20/2017 12:32 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Paulette, why not download a copy from GW Micro's website and save it on a
> flash drive or somewhere on your computer hard disk?  That way, you'd
always
> have it to reinstall when that becomes necessary.
>
> Note that you may have to install a previous version such as 9.0.0 before
> you can install the upgrade.  Hopefully I'm still right on that one!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Jaws Questions

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

If you are running Windows 10 Creators’ update, Audio Ducking has been disabled 
due to some sound problems.  They hope to have it back when something changes 
in Windows.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 1:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Questions

Richard,
Ducking occurs when there is audio playing such as music or a YouTube 
video and you do something to cause JAWS to speak. It will lower the 
volume of the other audio to duck out of the way for a moment so you can 
hear the speech.
Hth,
Tom


On 5/19/2017 8:22 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> What is audio ducking?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:13 PM
> To: 'Pastor Gil Pries' <g...@embarqmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Jaws Questions
>
> Hi:
>
> The easiest way to set punctuation level is to open the JAWS window with
> Insert-j, then, go into the help menu and select the start-up wizard.  The
> first group of settings allows you to set speech rate, punctuation, typing
> echo, and audio ducking if available.
>
> The command that works like WE's read-to-end is insert-down arrow.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:14 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Jaws Questions
>
> Hi,
> I am now using Jaws 18.
> I have a couple of questions.
> First How do I turn off punctuation?
> It keeps saying window-dash-eyes.  I want to hear windoweyes.
> Second What is the read all command in Jaws?
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Pastor Gil
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RE: another jaws thing.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

That one is available.  The command is Insert+shift+b.



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From: Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:03 AM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: another jaws thing.

How about the battery insert q replacement?
Maybe one of the tuitorial did mention it, but hey, I am still waiting  for
the activation key from VFO.




regards
Thomas N. Chan 

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[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'michaeel's mail' <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: another jaws thing.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any feature like that.

It wouldn't hurt to write to VFO and request that feature.  I know I use it
from time to time.


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Subject: another jaws thing.

Hi cn Jaws read the wifi signal like we was able to do.
Cheers Michael.
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Trying once again with link to podcast

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Ok, one more time.  Gotta go to bed after this one:

 

http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Upda
tes,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3

 

I think this one will work.

 

Sorry for all the trouble.

 

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RE: where do I go?

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That tab tab business annoyed me, too.  Here's how to get rid of those pesky
announcements.

First, press insert-6 (on the number row) to bring up settings center.
Then, press ctrl-shift-d (to bring up the default settings).  You'll be in
an edit box where you can search.  Type l a b into the box and then press
tab.  You'll be on a list item that says "key labels".  Press space on that,
and you'll get a list of most of the keys that JAWS knows about.  You can
use first-letter navigation, so, type t and the first thing you'll hear is
"tab, tab, speak".  Press space on that, and it will change to mute.  You
can use up and down arrows to find any keys you want their labels changed.
When you've made all the changes you want, tab to the OK button and press
space on it.  Next, tab over to the Apply button.  Then, you can press
alt-f4 to exit settings center.

There's a demonstration of doing this on FSCast.  The link is a little
messed up on the FSCast page, but, I figured out what the problem was.

Here's a direct link to the podcast.  Listen for the JAWS byte on Key
Labels.

http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Upda
tes,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3

Hope this helps, and, sorry for taking so long to get back.


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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:07 PM
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Subject: where do I go?

Hi there PEOPLE!

Just got JAWs downloaded and installed. Question, Where do I go to turn off
the tab announce, the up/down announce and the space announce? Also, is
there mouse keys that I can read the screen with? How do I go about reading
the screen using JAWs?  And finally, how do I set it to say the words after
typing them instead of speaking each letter?  Thanks Much de

.

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RE: Jaws Questions

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Hi:

The easiest way to set punctuation level is to open the JAWS window with
Insert-j, then, go into the help menu and select the start-up wizard.  The
first group of settings allows you to set speech rate, punctuation, typing
echo, and audio ducking if available.

The command that works like WE's read-to-end is insert-down arrow.

Hope this helps.



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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:14 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Jaws Questions

Hi,
I am now using Jaws 18.
I have a couple of questions.
First How do I turn off punctuation?
It keeps saying window-dash-eyes.  I want to hear windoweyes.
Second What is the read all command in Jaws?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Pastor Gil
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RE: Raul's tutorial about switching to Jaws

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Hi:

Go to http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

Once the page loads, press H to navigate by headings and you’ll find a heading 
that says  “Tutorials/Podcast”.  That’s where you’ll find them.

Hope this helps.



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From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Raul's tutorial about switching to Jaws

Hi all,

 

Could someone please send the link for the files that someone mentioned that
Raul has concerning making the change from Window Eyes to Jaws? Thanks.

 

Paulette

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RE: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers

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That’s one of them that does it.  I’ve only had it do it when I tabbed into the 
area where I can skip back or ahead in the file.  If I tab out of that area, it 
doesn’t keep doing it.  Groove is not my favorite mp3 player, though.  I still 
use Winamp, believe it or not.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:18 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk
Subject: Re: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers

The numbers being read is if you use the Groove music ap instead of the 
windows media player.  I think it is reading the remaining time of the 
file being played.

On 5/18/2017 9:13 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You wouldn’t hear anything strange on your stream.  This had more to do with 
> which player was used to play the files in Windows.
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:24 AM
> To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers
> 
> Interesting, I listened to those tutorials on my victor reader stream and
> didn't hear any string of numbers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:11 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers
> 
> Hello list and Raul,
> 
> I'm loving the tutorials, but when I listen to them I keep hearing a
> bunch of numbers - I think it is telling me how far along in the mp3 I am.
> 
> I either have to keep hitting cntrl every few seconds or change focus to
> the desktop.
> 
> Any setting I can change so I don't keep hearing this annoying string of
> numbers while listening?  It isn't a terribly big deal now, but it may
> be as I expand my horizons to listen to other things on the internet.
> thanks for any help.
> Brenda
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RE: AutoComplete in Windows 10

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Hi:

I’m going to assume you got your authorization number via Email.

It should be a string of 20 letters and numbers.

The easiest thing is to copy the 20-digit authorization number to the clipboard.

Then, go into the JAWS Window with Insert-J, then, select the help menu and 
under that, select Update Authorization.



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From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:21 AM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AutoComplete in Windows 10

Hi Tony,
If I am in Jaws demo mode, how do I enter the serial number after it's 
installed?

Pastor Gil

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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:18 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AutoComplete in Windows 10

Hi, I'm not sure how to disable that, but if you just keep typeing it will
eventually get what you want. I'd like to turn of the auto complete also.
lol

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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: AutoComplete in Windows 10

Hi, Folks.  I'm trying to get into a particular folder when I hit the
Windows Key.  When I start typing, however, it goes or suggests
something I don't want.  How do I disable this feature?  Thanks in
advance.--Matthew Chao

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RE: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers

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You wouldn’t hear anything strange on your stream.  This had more to do with 
which player was used to play the files in Windows.


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From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
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To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers

Interesting, I listened to those tutorials on my victor reader stream and 
didn't hear any string of numbers.

-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: W-e to Jaws tutorials annoying numbers

Hello list and Raul,

I'm loving the tutorials, but when I listen to them I keep hearing a
bunch of numbers - I think it is telling me how far along in the mp3 I am.

I either have to keep hitting cntrl every few seconds or change focus to
the desktop.

Any setting I can change so I don't keep hearing this annoying string of
numbers while listening?  It isn't a terribly big deal now, but it may
be as I expand my horizons to listen to other things on the internet.
thanks for any help.
Brenda
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RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

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By default, there is no shortcut key assigned to start JAWS.  You can,
however, set up a shortcut key, like CTRL-ALT-J to start JAWS.

Here's a link to the podcast that talks about doing this and runs you
through it.

http://getwindoweyes.com/migrate/02_BasicHotkeys.mp3

Raul does a great job explaining this.

Hope this helps.


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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM
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Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

Louis Gosselin



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RE: another jaws thing.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any feature like that.

It wouldn't hurt to write to VFO and request that feature.  I know I use it
from time to time.


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Hi cn Jaws read the wifi signal like we was able to do.
Cheers Michael.
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RE: jaws question

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Hi:

The demo runs for 40 minutes from the time the computer does a full start-up.

With Windows 8 and later, when you tell Windows to shut down, it doesn’t really 
totally shut down the way it used to.  When you do a shut down in Windows 8 and 
later, Windows logs you out of your account then goes into hibernation for what 
is called the kernel layer.  When you turn your PC back on, Windows comes out 
of hibernation, and puts you at the log in screen or logs you in if you’re set 
to autologin.  This makes startup faster, but, the JAWS demo doesn’t consider 
this a real reboot.  So, the demo clock is still running, so to speak.  To get 
a full 40 minutes out of the demo, you need to fully reboot the system.  When 
you tell Windows to restart, it does close everything, and, shuts the whole 
thing down, then, reboots.

This would affect the Window-Eyes demos as well, because they also required a 
full reboot to stop nagging about Window-Eyes being a demo.

This kind of shut down is called a “hybrid” shut down.  You can go into power 
settings, and disable fast startup, and, when you shut down Windows 8 or later, 
it really will shut down.  But, you have to look for that option and explicitly 
set it.  By default, you get the fast startup option.



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From: michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:01 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws question

Hi guys with the jaws demmo i know it runs for 40 minutes.
But even if i run it for 15 minutes then shut off next time i load jaws it says 
i must reboot computer for the next 40 minutes demmo.
Is this how it works.
I thought you could use it a few times till the 40 minutes runs out.
Cheers Michael.
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RE: converting to jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

On the download page for JAWS, there’s a link toward the bottom to download 
previous versions.  Goes all the way back to JAWS 10.  Here’s the link to the 
previous version page:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS/PreviousVersions

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:42 PM
To: Albert Sanchez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting to jaws

Do they even still support it? I wouldn't think so.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Albert Sanchez via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: converting to jaws

What is the most current version of JAWS that works with Windows XP?
Albert Sanchez
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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hey, great!  I forgot about Jaws key + d.  There’s more than one way to skin a 
cat.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: James Bentley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:53 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

I’m not  Joseph, but try this.

Jaws key plus D, to get in to the currently focused  application dictionary.

Follow this  with a control shift D, to get in to the global dictionary.   then 
hit enter and follow the menus.




Good luck,

James B




From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:23 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,
Does Jaws have a pronounciation dictionary like Window-Eyes has and how do 
you get to it?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
> following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
> audio is available in the DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahe

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

To get to the dictionary manager, press insert-f2 and arrow down to dictionary 
manager.

When you open it, you can choose to modify pronunciation for the current 
application or the whole system.  If you want to modify the whone system, press 
ctrl-shift-d and make sure it says “default.jdf”.  Then, you have a tree view 
of languages.  Arrow down through it and you’ll get to English.  Use right 
arrow to open English and you’ll have choices for a couple synthesizers to 
modify pronunciations for that synthesizer.  Then, all the other words show up. 
 You can tab to buttons to change or remove, if I remember correctly.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:23 AM
To: Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,
Does Jaws have a pronounciation dictionary like Window-Eyes has and how do 
you get to it?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
> following keystrokes to control 

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I do need to apologize.  You don’t actually have to download the DAISY books if 
you don’t want to.  They are designed to install into the default JAWS folder, 
and they don’t give you a lot of indications as to where they’re going.  I 
think these are the files JAWS downloads if you use FS reader to install the 
downloadable training materials.   Instead, you might want a set of mp3 files.  
Here’s how to get those:

On the JAWS training downloads page, if you navigate by headings, you will 
first hit a heading for DAISY books for JAWS.  The next heading is for the mp3 
versions.  They are in plain .zip files.  And, 2 files you might want to listen 
to from that section are the getting started files.  They are not in the DAISY 
section.  They cover the installation of JAWS and a few other things.  They are 
intended for those who install from the DVD, but, the install from DVD is not 
too different from the downloadable install.  Here are direct links to those 
files:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/archives/JAWS-MP3/GettingStartedWithJAWS-Side1-MP3.zip

http://www.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/archives/JAWS-MP3/GettingStartedWithJAWS-Side2-MP3.zip

Sorry I didn’t include those earlier.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:34 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Can you manually delete them when your done with them?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:26 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Oh, one more thing.  These are full DAISY text and audio.  The mp3’s are in 
each subfolder under C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but it 
was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have audio, and 
I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of training tapes that 
came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could not 
access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first one, getting 
started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be 
> more current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  
> Select that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for 
> the Basic Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that 
> talks about various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  
> For example, when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in 
> JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will download the book if it 
> is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the book has to 
> download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
> dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training 
> materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web 
> page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press 
> Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with 
> the packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training 
> materials.  You can download the FS Reader training materials though 
> which cover different topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail.com@lists.window-eyes.c
> om]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good 

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Oh, one more thing.  These are full DAISY text and audio.  The mp3’s are in 
each subfolder under C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but 
it was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have 
audio, and I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of 
training tapes that came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> to your practice files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the 
> following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the background (if 
> audio is available in the DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications 
> to ac

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Here’s something I I just learned about these downloads on the training page.

They are executable files that automatically install into your JAWS program 
directory.  They do ask for administrator priveleges, then, they install and 
exit.  So, if you do download them, just remember they go into C:\Program 
Files\Freedom Scientific\Training by default.  Under that training directory, 
you can copy each folder onto a DAISY player and they will show up as books.  
If you have JAWS installed, FS reader will see them in the table of contents.  


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bryan Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Are there audio versions? I was able to download a bok as an experiment but 
it was only text. I find I learn these types of things better if I have 
audio, and I remember when I got my first ever copy of JFW the set of 
training tapes that came with them.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:26 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi Joseph,

I did as you stated, but I could not download the files.  Also, I could
not access anything from the links.  The only file was the very first
one, getting started.

Carol


On 5/16/2017 4:35 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.
>
> However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic 
> training. This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more 
> current, in some cases.
>
> Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window. 
> Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select 
> that option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic 
> Training.  This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about 
> various features of JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, 
> when you tab to the link that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter 
> on it, FS reader will download the book if it is not present, then, put 
> you into the book.  (if the book has to download, you will need to say Yes 
> to the “User Account Control” dialog, as the program needs permission to 
> install the training materials in the proper location.)  At first, it will 
> seem like a Web page, which you can navigate in the usual way.  However, 
> if you press Control-P, it will begin speaking.
>
> Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Amanda Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that 
> there's no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the 
> packaged version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You 
> can download the FS Reader training materials though which cover different 
> topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen 
> to all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY 
> player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, 
> resume, rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader 
> getting started guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having 
> to be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. 
> What this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about 
> training and open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or 
> Internet Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice 
> document and still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer 
> have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again 
> 

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

There are some programs under Utilities, though I wouldn’t call them bloatware. 
 What 9 programs are you referring to?



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

Hi,


I just installed Jaws 18, and I ended up with 9 programs! Bloatware to 
be  sure!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/16/2017 5:17 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> FS stands for Freedom Scientific.
>
> The parent company that sells JAWS is VFO Group.  They haven’t changed the 
> name of the DAISY reader since they were Freedom Scientific.  This is not the 
> first time a program name indicated its origin.  Another example is the word 
> processor that comes with JAWS.  It’s called HJPad.  HJ stood for 
> Henter-Joyce.  When Freedom Scientific became the company selling JAWS, they 
> kept the name HJPad.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: 'Amanda Lee'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
> sells JAWS?
>
> Paulette
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
> To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
> no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
> version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
> the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: RE: Learning Jaws
>
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to 
> all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
> rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
> guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to 
> be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What 
> this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and 
> open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet 
> Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice document and 
> still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press 
> ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again to your practice 
> files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes 
> to control the FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the 
> DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
> access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
> open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, 
> this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print 
> a document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu 
> commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file 
> menu of that program and then press P to open the print dialog box.
>
> Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
> work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
> located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
> only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS 
> player, but, everything else is there.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Ted Larson via Talk
> S

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I’m not sure what’s going on there.  If you press Enter on the link, it should 
say “downloading book”.  Then, it will install the book.  It may ask for 
administrator permission since it puts the book in the JAWS install directory 
under Training.

You can download training materials using your Web browser.  Go to 
http://www2.freedomscientific.com/downloads/training/training-downloads.asp

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Carol and Roger
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:06 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Learning Jaws

I tried to download the tutorials mentioned in the FS reader, but can 
not.  I even tried to copy the link addresses and download them manually 
and received a "not valid web page" error.  Since we do not have access 
to a DVD either, how are we supposed to get said information?

Carol


On 5/16/2017 3:50 PM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Ted:
>
> There’s good news on this one.
>
> JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
> downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The 
> training materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11
> hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to 
> all of it).
>
> You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.
>
> You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
> rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
> guide:
>
> Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials
> With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
> backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to 
> be in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What 
> this means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and 
> open a practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet 
> Explorer, or any other application. You can stay in the practice document and 
> still control FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press 
> ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader program and back again to your practice 
> files. Just stay within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes 
> to control the FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the 
> DAISY book):
>
> Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
> Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
> Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
> NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
> access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
> open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, 
> this hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print 
> a document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu 
> commands to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file 
> menu of that program and then press P to open the print dialog box.
>
> Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They 
> work well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are 
> located in the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s 
> only one DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS 
> player, but, everything else is there.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Ted Larson via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Learning Jaws
>
> When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
> between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
> play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
> talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
> machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
> it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
>
>   
>
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RE: a question about window-eyes for office

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

It should work fine.  


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Norene Trappa
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi,  Will office 2013 work with Jaws?

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Mike Bernard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi:

The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it 
will also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the 
download is taken down.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
else.

Mike



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RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

At first, it may not seem a good analogy, but, the various long-distance 
companies offered features and other value added services that differed, one 
from another.  There were also software companies who’s programs were thrown 
out by acquisitions.  Take PowerQuest.  They offered Partition Magic, but, when 
Symantec bought them out, they decided to drop that program



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From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or 
MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered 
GWMicro to take its code off the market.

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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

FS stands for Freedom Scientific.

The parent company that sells JAWS is VFO Group.  They haven’t changed the name 
of the DAISY reader since they were Freedom Scientific.  This is not the first 
time a program name indicated its origin.  Another example is the word 
processor that comes with JAWS.  It’s called HJPad.  HJ stood for Henter-Joyce. 
 When Freedom Scientific became the company selling JAWS, they kept the name 
HJPad.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Amanda Lee'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

What does, FS, stand for? And what, exactly, is the name of the company that 
sells JAWS?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:58 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I haven’t gotten that far, as far as migration.

However, even if you download JAWS, you get the 11 hours of basic training. 
This is the same thing that ships on the DVD, and, may be more current, in some 
cases.

Once you have JAWS up and running, Press Insert-J to open the JAWS window.  
Under the help menu, you’ll find an option that says “Training”.  Select that 
option and FS reader opens to the table of contents for the Basic Training.  
This appears like a Web page.  Each “book” that talks about various features of 
JAWS is a link you can press Enter on.  For example, when you tab to the link 
that says, “What is new in JAWS,” and press Enter on it, FS reader will 
download the book if it is not present, then, put you into the book.  (if the 
book has to download, you will need to say Yes to the “User Account Control” 
dialog, as the program needs permission to install the training materials in 
the proper location.)  At first, it will seem like a Web page, which you can 
navigate in the usual way.  However, if you press Control-P, it will begin 
speaking.

Once you get the hang of it, it is a good way to get basic training.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Amanda Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:57 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson <ted.lar...@yahoo.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

_

RE: Learning Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials 
With FSReader you have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip 
backwards through narrated audio DAISY materials without actually having to be 
in the FSReader user interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this 
means is that you can be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a 
practice document, for example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any 
other application. You can stay in the practice document and still control 
FSReader audio with this feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move 
between the FSReader program and back again to your practice files. Just stay 
within the practice file, and use the following keystrokes to control the 
FSReader audio in the background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P 
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD 
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA 
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book
machine?  If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download
it?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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