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Re: Prompt

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mike,

I am inclined to suggest that you somehow reset the form.
The easiest method  may be to run down to the bottom of the page and see if you 
can find a reset form button.
Alternatively, try to return to the page From a clean link, that is, not from a 
bookmark that you may have saved.
This latter suggestion might be a bit more complicated, but the idea is to get 
the website to serve you up a brand spanking new copy of the form.

Good luck,

Rod

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> On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Mike via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> 
> 
> I am having a problem after running into difficulties on a Web Site.
> 
> 
> 
> Whilst trying to register on the site which included typing in my county.  
> Now WE keeps saying northamptonshire as I tab or move up and down links.  I 
> must have typed at the wrong time or in the wrong place.  How do I stop it?
> 
> 
> 
> With thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> Mike Gurney
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Re: window-eyes, logon screen screen.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Curtis,

Actually, this is quite a difficult problem to solve, but, if you have a 
significant amount of courage and patience, you can certainly do it.
Here is a link to a GW micro support knowledge base article which details the 
procedure:

http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB2012

Interestingly, it is nice to see that the knowledge base is still up and 
running. (Smile)

Good luck,

Rod

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On Nov 11, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk 
 wrote:

In windows ten which I run, window-eyes has it seems 2 "default" 
configurations, (1) at logon default? and (2) another default at the windows 
after logon.

I wish Window-Eyes to load my triple talk synth at the logon screen, and maybe 
eloquence after logon.

How to set that up?


Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
cur...@calweb.com

On 9/6/2020 3:35 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Tom,

I am running Window-Eyes with build 2004 on both Windows 10 Home and Pro with 
no problems.
At one time, there were a number .of apps which cause errors and prevented 
Window-Eyes from even starting.
You can get Window-Eyes to start without apps running by starting Window-Eyes 
and then immediately holding down the Shift key and holding it down until it 
starts.
In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, there is an option called 
App Management.
If you then open App Management using right arrow, the first option is called 
App Status.
You can then press right arrow again and then one of three options wil always 
be checked, On, Off, or Manual.
Indeed, holding down the Shift key when you start Window-Eyes sets Apps to 
Manual.
Normally, it will be set to On, and once you disable whatever apps you think 
may be causing problems, you would set it to On.
A while back, the following apps caused me problems until I disabled them, 
although they don't seem to be doing so now.
Anyway, you could disable all of these, and Window-Eyes will work fine.
Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced

You would then just set your app status back to On and you should be good to go.
You should also probably shut down and then restart Window-Eyes.

Good luck,

Rod

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Sent: September 4, 2020 2:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Rod,

Are you using Windows 10 Pro? In fact, for everybody who have WE 10 working 
with WE 9.5.4 wonder which version of Windows you are using.

I am using Windows 10 pro and could that be the difference?

Window-Eyef won't even load for me in 10, it displays four or five balloons it 
immediately shuts down. I don't even have a chance to turn off apps.

The tech who installed 9.5.4 for me was kind of baffled although he did do some 
kind work around but when he left the work around stopped going around, ha.

Tom

** Your Message **
 >Hi Tom,
 >
 >At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
 >uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
 >On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
 >longer true.
 >Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
 >A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they 
 >had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
 >No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
 >surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
 >server.
 >I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update 
 >server was not active.
 >My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
 >working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
 >I am one of those who need it.

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Re: speech friendly email client

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Indeed, referring to the post by Steve Jacobson, it occurs that were you to 
forward your email to Gmail, you could still use Becky.
Also, Windows mail comes with windows 10.
Although the last time I tried it, it was a bit of a hassle, it is free and all 
you have to do is configure it.

Good luck,

Rod

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> On Oct 29, 2022, at 6:29 PM, BK via Talk  wrote:
> Hello, I have been using Becky as my email client. But because of security
> upgrades with my ISP, which is Comcast, I am probably going to have to
> switch to a newer email program. Can someone recommend a speech friendly
> email client for windows 10? Thanks for any help.
> 
> Butch
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Re: Set Files

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Hi bob,

Actually, there is no easy or one step method of updating set files; 
Specifically, this in vaults updating apps for specific programs.
Therefore, the preinstalled  Apps  must be updated individually.
As for configuring a set file, or indeed writing an app to improve a programs 
accessibility, this can be a complex process.
I am certainly familiar with window Eyes, having written a number of apps 
myself.
If you wish, we could  discuss all of  this on the phone.
You may reach me directly at:

rod_hut...@hotmail.com

Take care,

Rod

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> On Aug 22, 2022, at 7:22 AM, rgarrett5--- via Talk 
>  wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have a file that I could import in to WE with the most updated
> set files?  Even if I check that I want to update a set file, WE doesn't
> update.
> 
> 
> 
> Also, I recently had to replace my computer I use for my Ham Radio activity.
> I had a .set file that I developed for using my logging program DX4Win.  It
> was lost in the process.  
> 
> 
> 
> So, it has been many years since I customized a set file.  Any instructions
> on how to do so would be really appreciated.  
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, Bob K3UL
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Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Well, I didn’t bother trying the NVDA Add on because I am now running Windows 
11 and you are running Windows 7 and who knows whether they would behave the 
same way anyway.
Anyway, I decided to create a stand alone script for you which can be used 
regardless which screen reader you are using, or, indeed, whether you are using 
a screen reader at all.
Here is the link to the zip archive in my dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xdahfiylgj4ef3w/ButchTimer.zip?dl=<https://www.dropbox.com/s/xdahfiylgj4ef3w/ButchTimer.zip?dl=0>1

just run the file with the dot VBS file extension and you’re off to the races.

Enjoy,

Rod

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On Mar 14, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Butch Bussen  wrote:

I couldn't get it to work at all.  Tried to put in ten  imutes and kept saying 
error on that screen, then no matter whaqt program wanted an input, it was 
huong up there.  I finall had to start nvda without addons and dump it.  It 
said alt a and had up down to pick hours, minutes or seconds, nothing I did let 
me enter anything.
I'll just keep reloading windoweyes ai guess as that script does exactly what I 
need it to do.  Thanks.  If you figure it out, let me know how to enter a time.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:



Hi Butch,

I found an NVDA add-on which is quite impressive and has the identical 
announcement functionality which the app I had written for you has when using 
window eyes, That is, it can chime or even announce the time every 10 minutes.
If you are  interested , here is the link:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clock.en.html

Let me know what you think.

Good luck,

Rod

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On Mar 12, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


I have dual boot on this machine, but usually run seven.  On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, 
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

Yes, well, Winamp would have to be open in order to be playing.
Also, I assume you were running Windows 10?
If so, I could probably look for a free  or relatively inexpensive timer app 
which would do the trick.
If you don’t care about the interface, I could probably write a batch file with 
a command line audio player playing the files I mentioned.
It’s really up to your personal preference.

All the best,

Rod

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On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I suppose tht would work, but wouldn't I have to keep that window open? Also, 
the timer is nice as it goes off on the ten minute mark.
I didn't know what was involved.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised of 
two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media player 
on.
So, on your media player, you press play.
If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , If 
you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the alarm 
sound.
Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
So simple, a?
If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you can 
execute it whenever you like.
The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting Winamp 
to execute playlist files.
Let me know what you think.

Take care,

Rod

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On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often run 
nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone program.  
If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for doing it.  Reply 
to but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net

Thanks.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

I found an NVDA add-on which is quite impressive and has the identical 
announcement functionality which the app I had written for you has when using 
window eyes, That is, it can chime or even announce the time every 10 minutes.
If you are  interested , here is the link:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clock.en.html

Let me know what you think.

Good luck,

Rod

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On Mar 12, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


I have dual boot on this machine, but usually run seven.  On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, 
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

Yes, well, Winamp would have to be open in order to be playing.
Also, I assume you were running Windows 10?
If so, I could probably look for a free  or relatively inexpensive timer app 
which would do the trick.
If you don’t care about the interface, I could probably write a batch file with 
a command line audio player playing the files I mentioned.
It’s really up to your personal preference.

All the best,

Rod

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On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I suppose tht would work, but wouldn't I have to keep that window open? Also, 
the timer is nice as it goes off on the ten minute mark.
I didn't know what was involved.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Butch,

I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised of 
two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media player 
on.
So, on your media player, you press play.
If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , If 
you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the alarm 
sound.
Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
So simple, a?
If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you can 
execute it whenever you like.
The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting Winamp 
to execute playlist files.
Let me know what you think.

Take care,

Rod

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On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk  
wrote:

I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often run 
nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone program.  
If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for doing it.  Reply 
to but...@shellworld.net
or
but...@fairpoint.net

Thanks.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Yes, well, Winamp would have to be open in order to be playing.
Also, I assume you were running Windows 10?
If so, I could probably look for a free  or relatively inexpensive timer app 
which would do the trick.
If you don’t care about the interface, I could probably write a batch file with 
a command line audio player playing the files I mentioned.
It’s really up to your personal preference.

All the best,

Rod

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> On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I suppose tht would work, but wouldn't I have to keep that window open? 
> Also, the timer is nice as it goes off on the ten minute mark.
> I didn't know what was involved.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Butch,
>> 
>> I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
>> Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
>> If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised 
>> of two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
>> second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
>> Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media 
>> player on.
>> So, on your media player, you press play.
>> If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , 
>> If you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the 
>> alarm sound.
>> Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
>> So simple, a?
>> If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you 
>> can execute it whenever you like.
>> The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting 
>> Winamp to execute playlist files.
>> Let me know what you think.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often 
>>> run nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone 
>>> program.  If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for 
>>> doing it.  Reply to but...@shellworld.net
>>> or
>>> but...@fairpoint.net
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 73
>>> Butch
>>> WA0VJR
>>> Node 3148
>>> Wallace, ks.
>>> 
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Re: timer script you wrote for me

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

I appreciate your willingness to compensate me for writing a nap for you.
Actually, I think the solution is simpler than the need to write an app.
If you use Winamp, for example, you could create A simple playlist comprised of 
two files, one being silent and the length of the timer you need, and the 
second a little file which sounds the alarm,.
Then, it is simply a matter of turning the repeat function of your media player 
on.
So, on your media player, you press play.
If you don’t hear anything, then probably the silent file is playing, and , If 
you like, you press next track, in which case you would probably hear the alarm 
sound.
Then, the playlist wraps around and starts playing the silent file again.
So simple, a?
If you save the little playlist as a Winamp playlist or M3U playlist, you can 
execute it whenever you like.
The key to using the playlist is the file association, that is,  Setting Winamp 
to execute playlist files.
Let me know what you think.

Take care,

Rod

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> On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use that script daily, but have to load window-eyes to run it.  I often 
> run nvda these days.  You had mentioned once about makeing a stand alone 
> program.  If possible, what would it involve.  I'd pay you something for 
> doing it.  Reply to but...@shellworld.net
> or
> but...@fairpoint.net
> 
> Thanks.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
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> Wallace, ks.
> 
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Re: turning off browse mode in Chrome?

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Hi Butch,

Don’t mind me since I’m a couple of weeks behind in my look at this list, my 
friend. Smile.
As memory serves, the hot key is Ctrl-Insert-F as in foxtrot..

All the best,

Rod

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From: Butch Bussen 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:56:10 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: turning off browse mode in Chrome?

Hello Rod.  I asked the other day, and if there was an answer, I missed
it.  What is the hot key to labele custom controls.  I"m drawing a blank.
73
Butch
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Re: turning off browse mode in Chrome?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

As with any browser, the Window Eyes hot key for toggling browse mode is 
Ctrl-Shift-A while for JFW, it is Insert Z.

Hth,

Rod

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>How does one turn off browse mode in Chrome?   And how does one turn
>it back on?  Thanks.




 John

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Re: Checking in

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Hi Orlando,

If you are asking whether I use the Amazon website on windows in a browser, no, 
I do not.
I tend to use Apple devices for as much as I can these days.
So, I tend to use the Amazon app on an iPod or iPhone or iPad.
Apple devices tend to be very accessible and so this is always preferable to 
using windows.
The long and short of it is that windows is my last resort.
I also have a Mac book, and so I even try to do things with Safari on the Mac 
before I turn to windows.
I do have Jaws, which is excellent for Webb work these days, and I use Google 
Chrome as my default browser.
I recommend trying the Amazon site with this combination, assuming you have 
Jaws.

 Anyway, I hope this helps a bit.

Take care, and stay well.

Rod


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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 2:27:42 PM
Cc: Orlando Fiol 
Subject: Checking in

Hello, Hope you're good

Do you order on amazon site?
Thanks,Orlando
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Re: copying to clipboard

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Hi Butch,

You’re not dreaming. Smile.
As memory serves, you can windowize the window, meaning that you can change the 
window from its maximized state into a windowed state.
This is done using alt spacebar.
Once you do that, you  have activated the control menu  and the down Arrow Will 
navigate to the option called edit.
 This enables editing options such as selecting text within a window, whereby 
you can then copy the screen contents to the clipboard.

I hope this helps,

Rod

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From: Talk  on 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:10 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: copying to clipboard

I sometimes still run teraterm, and I was think there use to be a way to
highlight stuff on the screen with window-eyes and copy to the clipboard,
but I don't remember how.  Am I dreaming?
I get an error when trying to ssh into a particular address and want to
copy the error.
Thanks.

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

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Hi Don,


Nice to hear from you again. Smile.

As far as the list of Window-Eyes apps to disable, it is interesting to note 
that, actually, on one of my computers, I did not need to disable any apps, 
whereas, on another, I did.

Also, I don’t think the fact that certain apps are running is the cause of your 
Thunderbird issue.

The simple fact is that I was not even able to get Window-Eyes to launch 
without throwing multiple errors unless the apps I mentioned were disabled.

The process of disabling apps couldn’t even be done at all unless I launched 
Window-Eyes without any apps starting up, and this is done by holding down the 
Shift key while launching it.


I tend to think that the problem you are having is that which Bernie on the 
list mentioned when responding to Carol‘s post, namely, the Thunderbird set 
file is not loading and therefore the screen information presented by 
Thunderbird is not accessible.

Bernie’s suggestion of the steps to get the Thunderbird set file to load should 
work, but, if it doesn’t, then the set file which you would need to load 
manually is TBEnhanced, as memory serves.  Once you load that set file, you 
would need to press Control-S in order to save the association of this set file 
with the application window in question; this association would be to the main 
Thunderbird application window.

At any rate, here is the list I had mentioned some time ago:


Window eyes apps to disable


Eloquence Fix

Hotspot

JAWS quick key

WEDiag

Windows Enhanced


Good luck, and I hope this helps,


Rod


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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Donald Roberts via Talk 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:08 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although
I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago.

Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader
of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see
whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use
Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I
can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and
subject fields but not the message body.

Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could
be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If
anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing
which W E apps need to be disabled.

I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read
email using W E.

Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: found notepad problem I think

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

I did a Google search and found that notepad2 is a program that can be found on 
github.
Here is the URL:

https://github.com/zufuliu/notepad2

Somehow the computer you have was tweaked by someone and that program was 
installed.
I’m not sure if you have any experience with github, but it is usually possible 
to uninstall any  github packages.

I hope this helps,

Rod

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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:15:04 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: found notepad problem I think

A script called notepad2.  Oddly enough, it doesn't show up under app or
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


ript manager.
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Re: Links in Outlook e-mails

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Terry,

in Jaws 2021, there is a new feature for reading URLs:


  *   If focused on a link and you press INSERT+F1 for screen-sensitive help, 
the link address is displayed at the top of the help window. This enables you 
to quickly verify the source of a link in an email message or on a web page if 
there is concern that it could be a phishing link.

All the best,

Rod

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behalf of TERRY EAGLE via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 7:52:16 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
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Subject: Links in Outlook e-mails

Hi, prior to an update, I used to be able arrow through a displayed link in an 
e-mail to get the spelling.  Now it is just a link unable to arrow through it 
letter-by-letter.
Question:  What steps can I do to be able to arrow letter-by-letter through the 
link content?
I am Using JAWS, Windows 10, and Outlook 2016.
Thank you.

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Re: reloading page

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

For the life of me, I could not remember the hot  Key  you mentioned.
Goes to show you that I just don’t use window   Eyes   much anymore.
Heck, I don’t even use windows much. Smile.
Thank you very much for the reminder.
It goes to show how convenient window eyes was and is.

All the best,

Rod

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Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 7:14:49 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net 
Subject: RE: reloading page

Hey Butch, and Rod.

This can also be due to dynamic content changes on the page. You can try
opening the Window-Eyes control panel and going to General, Other, Allow
auto-redraw, and make sure it's off.
You can also try the browse mode refresh rotor hot key, which is Alt+Shift+M
in the desktop layout. It's used to suspend auto-refresh in browse mode. But
the odd thing is I just tried it in Chrome and it says "not a valid key." I
reassigned the key and it still says the same. Yet if I turn on the key
describer and press the keys it says refresh rotor. So I don't know what's
up with that.

Good luck,
Tom



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Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 6:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: reloading page

Hi Butch,

I'm wondering which browser you are using.
Your experience reminds me of the days when flash was running on the
webpage.
In windows 10 at least, flash has been uninstalled by the flash program
itself since it is no longer being supported.
I don't know whether this is true under Windows 7.
Anyway, just some thoughts.

All the best,

Rod

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From: Talk  on
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Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 11:41:20 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: reloading page

 I find on several web pages using window-eyes as I am
trying to scrole down the page, it suddenly reloads and puts me back at the
top of the page.  Does this over and over as I'm trying to move around.  Any
ideas?  If I load n v d a, I don't have this problem.
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Re: reloading page

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

I’m wondering which browser you are using.
Your experience reminds me of the days when flash was running on the webpage.
In windows 10 at least, flash has been uninstalled by the flash program itself 
since it is no longer being supported.
I don’t know whether this is true under Windows 7.
Anyway, just some thoughts.

All the best,

Rod

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Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 11:41:20 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: reloading page

 I find on several web pages using window-eyes as I am
trying to scrole down the page, it suddenly reloads and puts me back at
the top of the page.  Does this over and over as I'm trying to move
around.  Any ideas?  If I load n v d a, I don't have this problem.
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Re: iPhone ringtones was help?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Marilyn,

iPhone ringtones  have an M4R file extension, and these are actually Apple M4A  
files which has simply been renamed.
As you may know, ringtones cannot be more than 30 seconds long.
if you want to go through the trouble, as well as spend some money, I did find 
a relatively accessible, though not perfect, piece of software which can 
transfer a number of different audio and video files to an iPhone, as well as 
ringtones.
Here is a link to the software, Which, incidentally, does work under windows 7 
and later:

https://softorino.com/waltr/

Although this software is supposed to transfer files using Wi-Fi, I was never 
able to get this to work, and so I recommend a lightning cable.
I hope this doesn’t cause you more trouble than it’s worth. Smile.

Good luck, and take care,

Rod

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Subject: RE: help?

Is m4b what is necessary for an IPhone6plus?
If so, then how do you get those ringtones onto the IPhone using a Win7 laptop?

Thanks!
Marilyn
At 09:16 AM 4/8/2021, you wrote:
>A program called Switch Sound File Converter can do this.
>
>-Original Message-
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>Subject: help?
>
>Hi,
>
>My brother needs to convert his ring tones from mp3 to m4b.  Is there an
>easy and screen reader friendly way to do this?  Thanks.
>
>Carol
>
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Fwd: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hello,

I just wanted to make a correction to my description of the gold wave app which 
I wrote.
The three hotkeys Report the beginning and end positions of the current track, 
as well as The track  length, but only if you have not selected a portion of 
the track.
If you have made a selection, then the start and end positions, as well as the  
length ,  refer to  the selection.

all the best,

Rod

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From: Rod Hutton
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 8:41:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Comcast 
Subject: RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

Hi,

I just thought I would mention that the only app which works with the current 
version of GoldWave, that is, version 6.54, is the app I wrote, namely, 
GoldWave Enhance.
This app is included in the archive which I gave the link for.
Incidentally, as memory serves, this app has a little subroutine which checks 
to see if the GoldWave program has changed its name.
If it has changed, then my app won't work, and you'll get a message asking you 
to contact the developer.
You can always contact me and I'll make any necessary changes in my app and 
update it, no problem.
My email address is rod_hut...@hotmail.com.
I also want to mention that all my app does it provide three hot keys, for 
reading the start and end positions of the current track, as well as the track 
length.
It's not too fancy, but it does come in handy. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod Hutton

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Comcast via Talk
Sent: April 1, 2021 4:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Comcast 
Subject: Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as the 
ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set file, 
but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to be 
anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


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> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Butch,
>
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F to 
> issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly jump 
> between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the field 
> labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
> CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
> there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
> automatically.
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with the 
>> find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
>> the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" 
>> and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
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RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

I just thought I would mention that the only app which works with the current 
version of GoldWave, that is, version 6.54, is the app I wrote, namely, 
GoldWave Enhance.
This app is included in the archive which I gave the link for.
Incidentally, as memory serves, this app has a little subroutine which checks 
to see if the GoldWave program has changed its name.
If it has changed, then my app won't work, and you'll get a message asking you 
to contact the developer.
You can always contact me and I'll make any necessary changes in my app and 
update it, no problem.
My email address is rod_hut...@hotmail.com.
I also want to mention that all my app does it provide three hot keys, for 
reading the start and end positions of the current track, as well as the track 
length.
It's not too fancy, but it does come in handy. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod Hutton

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Comcast via Talk
Sent: April 1, 2021 4:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Comcast 
Subject: Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as the 
ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set file, 
but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to be 
anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F to 
> issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly jump 
> between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the field 
> labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
> CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
> there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
> automatically.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with the 
>> find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
>> the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" 
>> and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Gold wave, was: RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Great to hear from you!
That will be the day when I beat you. Grin

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS


From: Talk  on 
behalf of Tom Kingston via Talk 
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:37:42 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net 
Subject: Gold wave, was: RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

Eh, you beat me to it, Rod.
For Comcast, note there are two apps for Gold Wave: GoldWave and 
GoldWave_enhanced. I never used the program, so I don't know anything about 
them.
Good luck,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

Hi,

Well, you could look in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxkw8ub1whk3b5e/WEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

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On 2021-04-01, 4:40 PM, "Talk on behalf of Comcast via Talk" 
 wrote:

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as 
the ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set 
file, but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to 
be anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Butch,
>
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of 
CTRL+SHIFT+F to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you 
regularly jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up 
the field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
automatically.
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" and 
so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
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Re: window eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Actually, Steve Clower responded to your message with the suggestion that you 
may have accidentally used the hot  Key  control insert F which labels a field.
He suggested that this may have happened if you had been searching for the word 
“serial“ and accidentally pressed the above hot Key.
so, the solution is to find an edit box in your browser, press the above hot 
key, and then clear the edit box, which probably contains the word “serial“, 
and then press enter to close the dialogue.

Good luck,

Rod

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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55:27 PM
To: Drew Clark via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: window eyes speaking extra word

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done.
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

Well, you could look in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxkw8ub1whk3b5e/WEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

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On 2021-04-01, 4:40 PM, "Talk on behalf of Comcast via Talk" 
 wrote:

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as 
the ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set 
file, but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to 
be anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of 
CTRL+SHIFT+F to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you 
regularly jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up 
the field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
automatically.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" and 
so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>> 
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Google Chrome - Download the Fast, Secure Browser from Google

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Below is the link to the download page for Google Chrome.
If you would like, I can always call you and we can discuss it on the phone.
Anyway, this will get you started. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

https://www.google.com/intl/en_ca/chrome/

https://www.google.com/intl/en_ca/chrome/?back=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fclient%3Dsafari%26as_qdr%3Dall%26as_occt%3Dany%26safe%3Dactive%26as_q%3DChrome+windows+download%26channel%3Daplab%26source%3Da-app1%26hl%3Den

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RE: Window-eyes enhanced app

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Lloyd,

Yes, and I sent Donald a message with a DropBox link to download the app. Smile.

Peace and safety, in these trying times,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: November 19, 2020 2:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

It's actually called the Windows Enhanced app.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:01 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

Hello Rod and other interested persons,


I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes enhanced" 
app.  Please could you send it to me as an email attachment.
As the list probably does not accept attachments, please send to:


donald.robert...@gmail.com


Thanks


Don Roberts


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Re: Windoweyes will not install on windows 10

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Jim,

There were several versions of the last version of window eyes since one had an 
expired security certificate which needed to be replaced.
So, if they are attempting to install one of the erroneous ones, then they 
would be out of luck.
I know that window eyes is no longer being supported, but it is worth a call to 
Vispero and see if they can  give your friend a download link to  an archive of 
The absolute last version of your friends retail copy.

Good luck,

Rod


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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Jim Elsner via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 3:19 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Jim Elsner
Subject: Windoweyes will not install on windows 10

Members I have a buddy trying to install WE 9.5.4.0
  on his new Windows 10 machine.  When he tries to run the install with
speech it tells him this software is not supported by your current
operating system.
Please advise on how to proceed.
Jim
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Jim Elsner
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Re: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

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Hi Darrell,

My understanding was that the window eyes for office serial number was built in.
As I recall, going from memory, it was WEOFFICE.

I hope this helps, and good luck,

Rod

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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Darrell Bowles via Talk 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:06 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

My other question is if I install window-eyes for office, will it still work 
without a serial number?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:53 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

If you are referring to a license for Eloquence for Window-Eyes for Office, you 
can or could as I am not sure where Eloquence for Windows stands right now.

I have really enjoyed using it and I was using it with Narrator as well when I 
needed to use Narrator.

I am going to wait a couple of days before I go buy another Eloquence for 
windows License as I was fairly confident that I had not used all of my three 
activations and I have another License I purchased for another computer and it 
didn't work.

Here's the link:

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcodefactoryglobal.com%2Fapp-store%2Feloquence-for-windowsdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa61fcde3e964dd921dd08d86bfe72ff%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637378087874858516sdata=DoBDHZKDzwN8Hzu41ehMPjArh8ZXlnYoIMsxEN5jK18%3Dreserved=0

How can I open the Windows Speech control panel to select Eloquence for Windows 
as my default TTS?

 It is located in a different place, depending on the version of Windows that 
you have (often you can find it under the "Ease of Access" option in the 
control panel). One universal way to access it is to type the following into 
the Run prompt (which appears as an option after right clicking the Windows 
Start button):

 %windir%\System32\speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl


Then, be certain to select SAPI under Synthesizers when switching a Screen 
Reader from its Default Synthesizer to Code Factory Eloquence.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf Of 
Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:21 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

Can I get a license for my window eyes for office?
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not 
validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all.



Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its 
authorization.



I just  apply my key and validate.



Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.



The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have a 
working Internet Connection.



I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.



I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?



Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as 
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?



As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any, 
technical support.



If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been 
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.



I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and 
still received the same error.



Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!



I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use 
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in responsiveness.







Thanks and be safe all!



Amanda Lee





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Fwd: Window-Eyes still working on Windows 10 1909 for the most part

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Rod Hutton 
Date: October 4, 2020 at 9:29:37 AM EDT
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes still working on Windows 10 1909 for the most part

Hi joseph,

I am running window eyes on windows 10 2004.
I am also using Microsoft 365 version of office with window eyes and the 
outlook enhanst app works perfectly.
The important thing is to first install the correct package of the office set 
files and then install the office enhanced and Outlook enhanced apps.
multiple reboots may be required as well as multiple re-installations of these 
apps, but, without exception, I am always able to get these apps working on 
windows 10.

I wish you luck, and stay safe,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk  
wrote:

The subject says it all.



Loaded my demo of WE 9.5.4 and it's still chugging along on Windows 10
version 1909.  My device hasn't updated to 20-04 just yet, so can't speak
for that.



There are a few things not working, like the outlook addin, but, it could be
worse.



Running on a surface pro 7, fyi.



Oh, one weirdness.  When I check the about box, it says copyright 1995-2020.
The executable is from 2017, but, the WETOOL.DLL shows today's date.



Interesting.








When I choose the About button, it says copyright

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Re: Window-Eyes still working on Windows 10 1909 for the most part

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi joseph,

I am running window eyes on windows 10 2004.
I am also using Microsoft 365 version of office with window eyes and the 
outlook enhanst app works perfectly.
The important thing is to first install the correct package of the office set 
files and then install the office enhanced and Outlook enhanced apps.
multiple reboots may be required as well as multiple re-installations of these 
apps, but, without exception, I am always able to get these apps working on 
windows 10.

I wish you luck, and stay safe,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> The subject says it all.
> 
> 
> 
> Loaded my demo of WE 9.5.4 and it's still chugging along on Windows 10
> version 1909.  My device hasn't updated to 20-04 just yet, so can't speak
> for that.
> 
> 
> 
> There are a few things not working, like the outlook addin, but, it could be
> worse.
> 
> 
> 
> Running on a surface pro 7, fyi.
> 
> 
> 
> Oh, one weirdness.  When I check the about box, it says copyright 1995-2020.
> The executable is from 2017, but, the WETOOL.DLL shows today's date.
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When I choose the About button, it says copyright 
> 
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Re: going back to earlier version

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

I guess I was thinking of what happens when you uninstall Window eyes on 
windows 10.
I think a lot of programs leave their user data under app data after they are 
uninstalled..
Also, it is possible that in the newer versions of Window eyes
they configured the program to preserve the default profile folder.
Anyway, glad you got the new version up and running. Smile.

Take care,

Rod
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Butch Bussen  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I uninstalled it, and all my stuff also went away.  I had even made 
> a backup copy, but left it in the same user folder.  Fortunately I had a 
> close copy on another backup of this drive, so got gthings back.  On Tue, 15 
> Sep 2020, Rod Hutton wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Butch,
>> 
>> All you would have to do is uninstall window eyes and your default profile 
>> folder, which holds all the apps, remains intact.
>> Then reinstall the version you want.
>> This is my  Suggestion.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Butch Bussen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm running xp on this box for various reasons.  I was having some 
>>> problems on a page that I thought might be fixed by upgrading from my 8.5 
>>> to 9.1.  Well, it didn't fix the problems, but did seem to slow this 
>>> machine down considerably, and when I hit k in some e-mails it says I need 
>>> something, not sure what, but when I say yes download it takes me to 
>>> gwmicro page which goes no where.  Anyhow, I was thinking there was an easy 
>>> way to saves scripts and sets.  I'm not sure what it is wanting, so I'm 
>>> wanting to uninstall this and go back to 8.5.  Is there an easy way to do 
>>> this?  I use to know this stuff, but severe c r s these days.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 73
>>> Butch
>>> WA0VJR
>>> Node 3148
>>> Wallace, ks.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: going back to earlier version

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

All you would have to do is uninstall window eyes and your default profile 
folder, which holds all the apps, remains intact.
Then reinstall the version you want.
This is my  Suggestion.

Good luck,

Rod

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Butch Bussen  wrote:
> 
> I'm running xp on this box for various reasons.  I was having some problems 
> on a page that I thought might be fixed by upgrading from my 8.5 to 9.1.  
> Well, it didn't fix the problems, but did seem to slow this machine down 
> considerably, and when I hit k in some e-mails it says I need something, not 
> sure what, but when I say yes download it takes me to gwmicro page which goes 
> no where.  Anyhow, I was thinking there was an easy way to saves scripts and 
> sets.  I'm not sure what it is wanting, so I'm wanting to uninstall this and 
> go back to 8.5.  Is there an easy way to do this?  I use to know this stuff, 
> but severe c r s these days.  Thanks.
> 
> Thanks.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
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Re: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

Here is the list of files which, at one time, needed to be disabled in order 
for Window-Eyes  to  load properly:

Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced


On my systems,  Which are running build 2004 of windows 10 home and pro, it is 
not necessary for me to disable any of these.
However, if you are having problems on your systems, why not try disabling them?

Good luck,

Rod


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On Sep 14, 2020, at 1:22 AM, peter Chin  wrote:

Hello Rod,

I wanted to save the message you sent me about the qpps which caused trouble to 
WinEyes but somehow I lost it. I hope it's no too much trouble to resend that 
message.

Very sorry for the inconvenience I'm causing..

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

Hi Don,

I am not certain why Outlook.EXE is involved and producing a script error.
The actual app which supports Windows Live Mail is WindowsLiveMail.wepm.
This file can be found in the folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Gw Micro\Window-Eyes

If you navigate to this folder, highlight the file and press Enter, you will 
re-install the app.
Try this and see if this works.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: September 11, 2020 5:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

My Dell desktop is running Windows 10, a recent incarnation of 1909.  I 
recently reinstalled Windows Live Mail, the ribbon version, which seems to be 
working well.   However, I believe the Outlook Express script for window-eyes 
is corrupt.   Whenever I attempt to modify an email rule, I get kicked back 
into the open message rather than the folders tab opening as it should so I 
should be able to down arrow to the message rules tab and modify the rule.

Sorry if I didn’t verbalize the problem well.  Stated another way, when I 
have an open email message and want to create or modify an email rule, I 
cann’t open the folders option or any of the other options such as accounts, 
view, file, etc.  So what I want to do is to reinstall the appropriate default 
script whose name I don’t recall.  I recall that there is a way to do this 
from within Window-eyes, but I don’t recall how to do it.  Please refresh my 
memory.  By the way, the version number is of course 9.5.4.

Thanks.
 Don Roberts
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Window-Eyes app archive

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Here is a link to the complete archive of Window-Eyes apps:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlijz1tedz9wmuc/WEApps.zip?dl=1
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: peter Chin  
> Sent: September 12, 2020 5:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: Re: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script
> 
> Hello Rod,
> 
> I was trying to look for the Windows Live Mail app as you suggested but 
> couldn't find it.
> I seem to remember that some time back someone on this list gave us a link to 
> download a full list of WE apps all zipped up but for the life of me, I can't 
> find it any where.
> Could you please put it in your Dropbox and send us the link to download the 
> app?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:55 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: RE: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script
> 
> Hi Don,
> 
> I am not certain why Outlook.EXE is involved and producing a script error.
> The actual app which supports Windows Live Mail is WindowsLiveMail.wepm.
> This file can be found in the folder:
> 
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Gw Micro\Window-Eyes
> 
> If you navigate to this folder, highlight the file and press Enter, you will 
> re-install the app.
> Try this and see if this works.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk
> Sent: September 11, 2020 5:00 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Donald Roberts 
> Subject: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script
> 
> My Dell desktop is running Windows 10, a recent incarnation of 1909.  I 
> recently reinstalled Windows Live Mail, the ribbon version, which seems to
> be working well.   However, I believe the Outlook Express script for
> window-eyes is corrupt.   Whenever I attempt to modify an email rule, I get
> kicked back into the open message rather than the folders tab opening as it 
> should so I should be able to down arrow to the message rules tab and modify 
> the rule.
> 
> Sorry if I didn’t verbalize the problem well.  Stated another way, when I 
> have an open email message and want to create or modify an email rule, I 
> cann’t open the folders option or any of the other options such as 
> accounts, view, file, etc.  So what I want to do is to reinstall the 
> appropriate default script whose name I don’t recall.  I recall that there 
> is a way to do this from within Window-eyes, but I don’t recall how to do 
> it.  Please refresh my memory.  By the way, the version number is of course 
> 9.5.4.
> 
> Thanks.
>   Don Roberts
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FW: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

I'm resending this, and this time to the list, since I sent the last one just 
to you, and perhaps others would like it as well. Smile

Cheers,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: peter Chin  
Sent: September 12, 2020 5:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

Hello Rod,

I was trying to look for the Windows Live Mail app as you suggested but 
couldn't find it.
I seem to remember that some time back someone on this list gave us a link to 
download a full list of WE apps all zipped up but for the life of me, I can't 
find it any where.
Could you please put it in your Dropbox and send us the link to download the 
app?

Thanks in advance.
-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 10:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

Hi Don,

I am not certain why Outlook.EXE is involved and producing a script error.
The actual app which supports Windows Live Mail is WindowsLiveMail.wepm.
This file can be found in the folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Gw Micro\Window-Eyes

If you navigate to this folder, highlight the file and press Enter, you will 
re-install the app.
Try this and see if this works.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: September 11, 2020 5:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

My Dell desktop is running Windows 10, a recent incarnation of 1909.  I 
recently reinstalled Windows Live Mail, the ribbon version, which seems to
be working well.   However, I believe the Outlook Express script for
window-eyes is corrupt.   Whenever I attempt to modify an email rule, I get
kicked back into the open message rather than the folders tab opening as it 
should so I should be able to down arrow to the message rules tab and modify 
the rule.

Sorry if I didn’t verbalize the problem well.  Stated another way, when I 
have an open email message and want to create or modify an email rule, I 
cann’t open the folders option or any of the other options such as accounts, 
view, file, etc.  So what I want to do is to reinstall the appropriate default 
script whose name I don’t recall.  I recall that there is a way to do this 
from within Window-eyes, but I don’t recall how to do it.  Please refresh my 
memory.  By the way, the version number is of course 9.5.4.

Thanks.
   Don Roberts
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RE: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,

I am not certain why Outlook.EXE is involved and producing a script error.
The actual app which supports Windows Live Mail is WindowsLiveMail.wepm.
This file can be found in the folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Gw Micro\Window-Eyes

If you navigate to this folder, highlight the file and press Enter, you will 
re-install the app.
Try this and see if this works.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: September 11, 2020 5:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: a possibly corrupt Window-eyes script

My Dell desktop is running Windows 10, a recent incarnation of 1909.  I 
recently reinstalled Windows Live Mail, the ribbon version, which seems to be 
working well.   However, I believe the Outlook Express script for window-eyes 
is corrupt.   Whenever I attempt to modify an email rule, I get kicked back 
into the open message rather than the folders tab opening as it should so I 
should be able to down arrow to the message rules tab and modify the rule. 
 
Sorry if I didn’t verbalize the problem well.  Stated another way, when I 
have an open email message and want to create or modify an email rule, I 
cann’t open the folders option or any of the other options such as accounts, 
view, file, etc.  So what I want to do is to reinstall the appropriate default 
script whose name I don’t recall.  I recall that there is a way to do this 
from within Window-eyes, but I don’t recall how to do it.  Please refresh my 
memory.  By the way, the version number is of course 9.5.4. 
 
Thanks. 
   Don Roberts
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Thanks so much for this juicy little tidbit. Smile.
I am storing this in my list of Window eyes nuggets.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I saved this stuff  from long ago.  From Doug.
> As for command prompts, there are two suggestions.  One is make sure you
> press control-insert-c to auto detect the caret and, I've recommended this 
> before but don't believe anybody ever tried it, setup your windows 10 command 
> prompts to use a legacy console.  Just open up a command prompt and press 
> alt-space for the system menu. Select properties and in
> this dialog check the last checkbox "Use legacy console".  Restart your
> command prompt...you'll likely have to re-detect the caret after doing
> this but from then on, it should work...at least mine does.
> 
> and more
> Open the start menu and go to Windows System folder, Command prompt.
> Open the context menu and go to Open file location.
> Open the context menu on the shortcut file, go to the Options tab, and check
> Use legacy console.
> this should do the trick. The new console is useless to me.
> 
>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Tom via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rod,
>> 
>> I deleted the apps from,
>> backslash Program Files (x86) backslash GW Micro backslash
>> Window-Eyes.
>> 
>> I guess that comes from all the years I worked in DOS. Hard
>> to teach an old dog new tricks!
>> 
>> I'm disappointed that Window-Eyes won't do anything with the
>> command line prompt in
>> Windows ten.
>> 
>> In my younger days I wouldn't have given up so easy in
>> dealing with the problem Window-Eyes has with apps but I now
>> just do what I have to do to get along!
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> ** Your Message **
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> I'm not sure precisely what you mean when you say you
>> deleted apps from the GW Micro folder.
>>> Do you mean that you went into the folder where Window-Eyes
>> is installed, that is, backslash Program Files (x86)
>> backslash GW Micro backslash Window-Eyes and deleted them
>> from there?
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

The problem is that deleting them from where you did does not actually change 
the apps which are running in your current installation of window eyes.
Those apps where you deleted them are just stock copies of the apps which  
Window Eyes uses to install  those apps when the program is first installed.
What I have seen is that there are a lot of misconceptions about what window 
eyes abs actually are.
Those apps cannot run without window Eyes.
Moreover. They are actually very dependent on set files since set files contain 
many settings which apps need in order to run properly.
abs can really only be managed properly using the app management pole down, 
which is on the apps menu in the window eyes control panel.
The Window Eyes manual has always been an excellent resource for learning how 
to manage all of the different settings of the program.
It is never too late to read it. Smile.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Tom via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod,
> 
> I deleted the apps from,
> backslash Program Files (x86) backslash GW Micro backslash
> Window-Eyes.
> 
> I guess that comes from all the years I worked in DOS. Hard
> to teach an old dog new tricks!
> 
> I'm disappointed that Window-Eyes won't do anything with the
> command line prompt in
> Windows ten.
> 
> In my younger days I wouldn't have given up so easy in
> dealing with the problem Window-Eyes has with apps but I now
> just do what I have to do to get along!
> 
> Tom
> 
> ** Your Message **
> >Hi Tom,
> >
> >I'm not sure precisely what you mean when you say you
> deleted apps from the GW Micro folder.
> >Do you mean that you went into the folder where Window-Eyes
> is installed, that is, backslash Program Files (x86)
> backslash GW Micro backslash Window-Eyes and deleted them
> from there?
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RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

I'm not sure precisely what you mean when you say you deleted apps from the GW 
Micro folder.
Do you mean that you went into the folder where Window-Eyes is installed, that 
is, backslash Program Files (x86) backslash GW Micro backslash Window-Eyes and 
deleted them from there?
Or are you saying you deleted them from the Add/Remove apps dialog which you 
open from the Apps menu in the Window-Eyes control panel, under App Management ?
Or are you saying you simply deleted them from the Window-Eyes profile folder?
Or, finally, are you saying you disabled them from the Window-Eyes App Manager, 
arrive at from the Apps Menu, under App Management, in the Window-Eyes control 
panel.?
Incidentally, the latter is the best since it is the simplest option.

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom via Talk
Sent: September 7, 2020 5:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom 
Subject: RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hi Rod,

Thanks for getting me on the right track that the apps were causing the 
problem. Yesterday I went into the GW Micro folder and deleted a bunch of apps 
and eventually got Window-Eyes to at least start without immediately shutting 
down. I think I'll just uninstall Window-Eyes, reinstall it and then disable 
the ones causing the trouble as you suggested.

Oh, for the days of simple set files!

Tom

** Your Message **
 >Hi Tom,
 >
 >I am running Window-Eyes with build 2004 on both Windows 10 Home and Pro with 
 >no problems.
 >At one time, there were a number .of apps which cause errors and prevented 
 >Window-Eyes from even starting.
 >You can get Window-Eyes to start without apps running by starting Window-Eyes 
 >and then immediately holding down the Shift key and holding it down until it 
 >starts.
 >In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, there is an option called 
 >App Management.
 >If you then open App Management using right arrow, the first option is called 
 >App Status.
 >You can then press right arrow again and then one of three options wil always 
 >be checked, On, Off, or Manual.
 >Indeed, holding down the Shift key when you start Window-Eyes sets Apps to 
 >Manual.
 >Normally, it will be set to On, and once you disable whatever apps you think 
 >may be causing problems, you would set it to On.
 >A while back, the following apps caused me problems until I disabled them, 
 >although they don't seem to be doing so now.
 >Anyway, you could disable all of these, and Window-Eyes will work fine.
 >Eloquence Fix
 >Hotspot
 >JAWS quick key
 >WEDiag
 >Windows Enhanced
 >
 >You would then just set your app status back to On and you should be good to 
 >go.
 >You should also probably shut down and then restart Window-Eyes.
 >
 >Good luck,
 >
 >Rod

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RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mike,

All information is helpful, and this is a particularly helpful nugget which 
might help someone indeed.

Thanks,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Mike via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: Mike 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hello Everyone


I haven't been following this thread so apologies if I am off the mark.


I recently installed the latest update for Windows 10.  I think it was a 
security update.  Window-eyes on my desktop then started opening and then 
complete silence.  I tried using NVDA, Jaws and Narrator but to no avail.  In 
the meantime my laptop was working fine with exactly the same update.  I then 
wrote to someone on another list who I believe works for Microsoft.  He advised 
trying "sndvol" which made absolutely no difference.  After about two weeks my 
machines both downloaded and installed another update of some kind.  
Miraculously, my desktop suddenly started talking again and I haven't had any 
further problems. A Web search found a lot of comments about the update to Win 
10 was causing problems with certain makes of sound card Etc.  I have no idea 
if any of this is to do with your discussion but I thought the information 
might be helpful.


Sorry for going on so long.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 07/09/2020 15:58, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello Rod,
>
> Could you please tell us which were the apps which were giving trouble 
> to Wineyes?
>
> A friend of mine didn't like WinEyes because she said, it was very 
> slugish.
> -----Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled 
> or uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
> On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, 
> this is no longer true.
> Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
> A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that 
> they had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
> No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall 
> being very surprised to hear that app updates where available from the 
> old Window-Eyes server.
> I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app 
> update server was not active.
> My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping 
> Window-Eyes working for the many people throughout the world who need 
> it.
> I am one of those who need it.
> I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage 
> the connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host 
> and virtual machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
> Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws 
> or NVDA or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is 
> before me, and so I am saved by Window-Eyes.
> Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading 
> email in Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
> Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based 
> Office product.
> The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly 
> to allow me to read and write in Outlook.
> So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.
>
> Take good care,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk"
>  of talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>    I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
>    worse each day. To day it's useless.
>
>    Window-Eyes 9.5.4
>
>    Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?
>
>    When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
>    installing it with no apps.
>
>    Thanks,
>
>    Tom
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RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

I use Google Chrome as my default browser on all my systems, except my Mac, 
where Safari is the default.
Window-Eyes works with Google Chrome as it does with the newest version of 
Microsoft Edge.
I gave up on Firefox many months ago as it went through a lot of version 
changes, and it was hard to find one which was accessible.
I hope this helps. Smile.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2020 7:48 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Since we are on this general subject, which web browsers work with Window-Eyes 
9.5.4? It is my understanding that Firefox doesn't work with it. Does it work 
with the new Chromium Edge, Google Chrome, Brave, etc.?

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hello Rod,

Could you please tell us which were the apps which were giving trouble to 
Wineyes?

A friend of mine didn't like WinEyes because she said, it was very slugish.
-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hi Tom,

At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
longer true.
Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they had 
even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
server.
I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update server 
was not active.
My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
I am one of those who need it.
I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the 
connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and virtual 
machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or NVDA 
or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me, and so I 
am saved by Window-Eyes.
Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in 
Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office 
product.
The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to allow 
me to read and write in Outlook.
So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

Take good care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk"
 wrote:

I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
worse each day. To day it's useless.

Window-Eyes 9.5.4

Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
installing it with no apps.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

Here is the list of files which, at one time, needed to be disabled in order 
for Window-Eyes  to  load properly:

Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced


On my systems,  Which are running build 2004 of windows 10 home and pro, it is 
not necessary for me to disable any of these.
However, if you are having problems on your systems, why not try disabling them?

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 8, 2020, at 12:10 AM, peter Chin  wrote:

Hello Rod,

Could you please tell us which were the apps which were giving trouble to
Wineyes?

A friend of mine didn't like WinEyes because she said, it was very slugish.
-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hi Tom,

At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is
no longer true.
Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they
had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes
server.
I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update
server was not active.
My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
I am one of those who need it.
I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the
connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and
virtual machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or
NVDA or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me,
and so I am saved by Window-Eyes.
Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in
Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office
product.
The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to
allow me to read and write in Outlook.
So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

Take good care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk"
 wrote:

  I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
  worse each day. To day it's useless.

  Window-Eyes 9.5.4

  Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

  When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
  installing it with no apps.

  Thanks,

  Tom

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RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

I am running Window-Eyes with build 2004 on both Windows 10 Home and Pro with 
no problems.
At one time, there were a number .of apps which cause errors and prevented 
Window-Eyes from even starting.
You can get Window-Eyes to start without apps running by starting Window-Eyes 
and then immediately holding down the Shift key and holding it down until it 
starts.
In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, there is an option called 
App Management.
If you then open App Management using right arrow, the first option is called 
App Status.
You can then press right arrow again and then one of three options wil always 
be checked, On, Off, or Manual.
Indeed, holding down the Shift key when you start Window-Eyes sets Apps to 
Manual.
Normally, it will be set to On, and once you disable whatever apps you think 
may be causing problems, you would set it to On.
A while back, the following apps caused me problems until I disabled them, 
although they don't seem to be doing so now.
Anyway, you could disable all of these, and Window-Eyes will work fine.
Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced

You would then just set your app status back to On and you should be good to go.
You should also probably shut down and then restart Window-Eyes.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom via Talk
Sent: September 4, 2020 2:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Rod,

Are you using Windows 10 Pro? In fact, for everybody who have WE 10 working 
with WE 9.5.4 wonder which version of Windows you are using.

I am using Windows 10 pro and could that be the difference?

Window-Eyef won't even load for me in 10, it displays four or five balloons it 
immediately shuts down. I don't even have a chance to turn off apps.

The tech who installed 9.5.4 for me was kind of baffled although he did do some 
kind work around but when he left the work around stopped going around, ha.

Tom

** Your Message **
 >Hi Tom,
 >
 >At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
 >uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
 >On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
 >longer true.
 >Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
 >A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they 
 >had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
 >No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
 >surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
 >server.
 >I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update 
 >server was not active.
 >My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
 >working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
 >I am one of those who need it.

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RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,

Yes, I am running build 2004 of Windows 10 which is the current build as of 
this date.
As for Duxbury, if you have upgraded Duxbury since the Window-Eyes Duxbury 
script was last updated, then my guess is that the Duxbury developers have 
changed their software in such a way that the Window-Eyes script cannot find 
the bits and pieces it needs in order to run properly.
Sorry, but since I do not have Duxbury, I cannot test it nor repair the 
Window-Eyes script which I can sometimes do.

All the best,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: September 4, 2020 12:45 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Rod, thanks so much for the update.  I assume that you mean 20.04 when you use 
the term the latest version of Windows 10.


I do have a question.  I am running Windows 10, a recent version of 
1909.  Whenever I attempt to run the Window-eyes app for Duxbury, I get 
a script error whenever I hit Alt F3 to turn on coded view which 
displays the Duxbury codes within the text.  If you are familiar with 
this app, will it work correctly in 20.04?


Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 9/3/2020 7:51 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
> uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
> On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
> longer true.
> Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
> A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they 
> had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
> No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
> surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
> server.
> I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update 
> server was not active.
> My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
> working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
> I am one of those who need it.
> I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the 
> connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and virtual 
> machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
> Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or 
> NVDA or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me, and 
> so I am saved by Window-Eyes.
> Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in 
> Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
> Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office 
> product.
> The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to 
> allow me to read and write in Outlook.
> So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.
>
> Take good care,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk" 
>  talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>  I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
>  worse each day. To day it's useless.
>
>  Window-Eyes 9.5.4
>
>  Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?
>
>  When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
>  installing it with no apps.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Tom
>
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RE: Has anyone tried the latest version of Winamp with WE9.5.4.0?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Larry,

Sure, great to hear from you too. Smile.
To be honest, it would be okay to try installing the beta of Winamp in a new 
folder if, and only if, it installs like the 5.666 version.
If it doesn't, then it could damage your current installation.
It is a gamble, and this is why it is best to try such things on another 
machine, not your workhorse which you count on.
This is why I invest so much effort maintaining virtual machines because you 
can set system restore points and just roll back if something goes wrong.
Admittedly, it is quite complicated to work with these, and so the easiest 
equivalent solution is to simply use another PC.
Anyway, hope you find some way of testing which doesn't cause too much trouble. 
Smile

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: September 3, 2020 6:30 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried the latest version of Winamp with WE9.5.4.0?

Hey Rod, great to hear from you, and to know that you are still alive and well. 
All are still up and walkin' round here.


As for Winamp, that option for two versions of Winamp on the same 
machine kinda escaped my memory. As of this moment, I haven't done 
anything with the new beta. I thought I'd give it a try on Monday, but I 
happened to be listening to an audio stream at the time and didn't wish 
to interrupt my listening, so I aborted the installation. I will get 
back to it some time this week, I'm sure, and will let ya know how 
things turned out.


Again, thanks for the reminder,


Larry



On 8/30/2020 4:42 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

> Hi Larry,
>
> I’ve been thinking over your note for the last while.
>
> I have not tried the newest Winamp, but it occurs to me that if this newer 
> Winamp is anything like the older one, then you could install it in a 
> different folder from your current installation and it wouldn’t mess up the 
> older installation.
> Of course, whatever icon it places on the desktop would refer to the newer 
> installation rather than your original installation.
> Okay, that would be the first complication, namely, you would be advised to 
> rename the desktop icon of your original Winamp so that you would not lose it 
> after the new installation overwrote it.
> You could then proceed to test the Jeff Bishopscript functionality and see if 
> it works.
> The only way it would work is if the developer of the newer Winamp keeps the 
> names of the key components of the original Winamp application since the Jeff 
> Bishop script is tied to these.
> Anyway, these are some observations from me, perhaps something to chew on. 
> Smile.
>
> Take care,
>
> Rod
>   
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>> On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Guess the subject says it all.
>>
>>
>> I was looking around  on another list this morning, and someone pointed out 
>> a link that I never would have thought would play in Winamp, because it 
>> seems to be accessible only from a specific Web page. In other words, the 
>> extension, such as it was couldn't possibly be played with Winamp 5.666, but 
>> apparently be played with 5.8 Beta.
>>
>>
>> So what I am really asking. Do the Jeff Bishop scripts still work well with 
>> the latest version of Winamp? I mean, just trying to test this web link 
>> might not be worth it to me if the scripts will not function as well as they 
>> do now.
>>
>>
>> Any helpful  input on this will be greatly appreciated,
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
longer true.
Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they had 
even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
server.
I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update server 
was not active.
My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
I am one of those who need it.
I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the 
connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and virtual 
machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or NVDA 
or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me, and so I 
am saved by Window-Eyes.
Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in 
Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office 
product.
The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to allow 
me to read and write in Outlook.
So, Tom, I simply want to suggest  that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

Take good care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk" 
 wrote:

I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
worse each day. To day it's useless.

Window-Eyes 9.5.4

Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
installing it with no apps.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Has anyone tried the latest version of Winamp with WE9.5.4.0?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Larry,

I’ve been thinking over your note for the last while.

I have not tried the newest Winamp, but it occurs to me that if this newer 
Winamp is anything like the older one, then you could install it in a different 
folder from your current installation and it wouldn’t mess up the older 
installation.
Of course, whatever icon it places on the desktop would refer to the newer 
installation rather than your original installation.
Okay, that would be the first complication, namely, you would be advised to 
rename the desktop icon of your original Winamp so that you would not lose it 
after the new installation overwrote it.
You could then proceed to test the Jeff Bishopscript functionality and see if 
it works.
The only way it would work is if the developer of the newer Winamp keeps the 
names of the key components of the original Winamp application since the Jeff 
Bishop script is tied to these.
Anyway, these are some observations from me, perhaps something to chew on. 
Smile.

Take care,

Rod
 

Sent from my iPod

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guess the subject says it all.
> 
> 
> I was looking around  on another list this morning, and someone pointed out a 
> link that I never would have thought would play in Winamp, because it seems 
> to be accessible only from a specific Web page. In other words, the 
> extension, such as it was couldn't possibly be played with Winamp 5.666, but 
> apparently be played with 5.8 Beta.
> 
> 
> So what I am really asking. Do the Jeff Bishop scripts still work well with 
> the latest version of Winamp? I mean, just trying to test this web link might 
> not be worth it to me if the scripts will not function as well as they do now.
> 
> 
> Any helpful  input on this will be greatly appreciated,
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
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Re: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Have you tried NVDA?

HTH,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Tom via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Windows 7 Window-eyes 9.5.4
> 
> For several years I've been using Giant Direct with Internet
> Explorer to order groceries with no trouble. Recently the
> website no longer accepts Internet Explorer version eleven.
> 
> I tried Edge and Google Chrome and they appear to me to be
> working just fine. However, when the store receives the order
> they tell me it is blank. I've tried entering data with and
> without browse mode.
> 
> I'll be getting Windows 10 next week but I need groceries
> befroe then. ha
> 
> Anybody have a suggestion?
> 
> Tom
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Re: Another test

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

The beer sounds great. Smile.
To make it simple for navigation, I used autoHot key to define the accent and 
shift accent key  to send F6 and shift aftsix, respectively.

Take care,

Rod



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rod,
> I knew about the tab and F6 keys, but they're a pain compared to the absolute 
> simplicity of Thunderbird. But Ctrl+Y works well. I'll take you out for a 
> beer the next time I'm in town.
> Cheers,
> Tom
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 6:45 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: Re: Another test
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> You navigate between the folder pain in the message list for that folder 
> using control tab or shift control tab  Four  the opposite direction.
> You must press the enter key to highlight the folder you wish to work with.
> You can also use F6 and shift F6 rather than control tab and shift control 
> tab, respectively.
> Additionally, you can use control why to bring up The list of folders In a 
> dialogue box.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I hear ya, Larry. I just recently switched to Outlook in Office 365 
>> because Microsoft has done a phenomenal amount of work to make things 
>> accessible.
>> But I still have good ol' Thunderbird installed. I've got to see if 
>> there's an easier way to move between folders and accounts. It's such 
>> a breeze with TB.
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>>  On 
>> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 10:02 AM
>> To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
>> Cc: Larry Higgins 
>> Subject: Re: Another test
>> 
>> Thanks Tom. Sure hope I've got this thing fixed once and for all.
>> 
>> 
>> Just wondering, how does this still survive? I'm sure glad it does, but ...
>> 
>>>> On 7/10/2020 8:46 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Both test messages came through.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/10/2020 9:28 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
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Re: Another test

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

You navigate between the folder pain in the message list for that folder using 
control tab or shift control tab  Four  the opposite direction.
You must press the enter key to highlight the folder you wish to work with.
You can also use F6 and shift F6 rather than control tab and shift control tab, 
respectively.
Additionally, you can use control why to bring up The list of folders In a 
dialogue box.

I hope this helps,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I hear ya, Larry. I just recently switched to Outlook in Office 365 because
> Microsoft has done a phenomenal amount of work to make things accessible.
> But I still have good ol' Thunderbird installed. I've got to see if there's
> an easier way to move between folders and accounts. It's such a breeze with
> TB.
> Good luck,
> Tom
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On
> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 10:02 AM
> To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
> Cc: Larry Higgins 
> Subject: Re: Another test
> 
> Thanks Tom. Sure hope I've got this thing fixed once and for all.
> 
> 
> Just wondering, how does this still survive? I'm sure glad it does, but ...
> 
>> On 7/10/2020 8:46 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Both test messages came through.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/10/2020 9:28 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
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RE: problem with outlook html messages

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

I've returned our discussion back to the list since I responded to you 
personally which is not necessary and not helpful to those who may be following 
this thread.
I searched for default apps in Windows 10 settings and there is a setting 
called:
Choose default apps, 
If you open this, you can choose Internet Explorer and I found that it is the 
default app for a number of items.
I'm not particularly adventurous and so I don't think I'll change any of these 
settings.
It is clear, however, that if I click on links embedded in my html emails 
Internet Explorer will open and attempt to open them.
Therefore, my claim that the Outlook Enhanced app is responsible is not correct.
I can honestly say that I don't know what is happening on your system, but you 
can certainly use the setting I mentioned and explore the matter.
I hope this helps. Smile

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: John Covici  
Sent: May 13, 2020 2:45 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: problem with outlook html messages

OK, I guess that  is what I will have to do -- too bad we don't have the 
source.  Also, are you noticing that the alt-tab or windows-tab is silent in 
WE?  It starts out working, but only for a few minutes and then its silent, 
which makes it hard to do much.

On Wed, 13 May 2020 12:32:46 -0400,
Rod Hutton wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Looks like your suspicion that it is a result of a window eyes app was 
> correct.
> Must be built in to the outlook enhanced app.
> You could always uninstall the app.
> however, except for this minor glitch, The app is very useful.
> I recommend using the application key on those links and copying the 
> Shortcuts to your browser manually.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 13, 2020, at 10:36 AM, John Covici  wrote:
> > 
> > I have already done that, and when I use Jaws, it works properly, 
> > so I do not understand what is happening.
> > 
> >> On Wed, 13 May 2020 09:15:16 -0400, Rod Hutton wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi John,
> >> 
> >> This is not A Window-Eyes issue, in my opinion.
> >> I'm afraid the only solution is to dig into Windows 10 settings and look 
> >> for the list of file types and their associated programs and change html 
> >> from Internet Explorer to Edge or Chrome or whatever else you like.
> >> 
> >> Good luck,
> >> 
> >> Rod
> >> 
> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk 
> >>  On 
> >> Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
> >> Sent: May 12, 2020 5:17 PM
> >> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> >> Cc: John Covici 
> >> Subject: problem with outlook html messages
> >> 
> >> Hi.  I had not used WE for a while and I'd thought I'd try it and ran into 
> >> a strange problem.  I have set my default browser to the new Microsoft 
> >> Edge development channel, but when I hit enter on a link in an html 
> >> outlook message, it uses internet explorer!
> >> 
> >> Is this somehow hard coded in WE or the app, or how else can I fix?
> >> 
> >> Thanks.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> >> How do
> >> you spend it?
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Re: problem with outlook html messages

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

I’m not sure if you are aware, but you have written to the Window-Eyes 
discussion list.
In this case, perhaps you and I should simply say that Bob, is our beloved 
eccentric computer eradicator. Smile

peace and long life,

Rod

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> On May 13, 2020, at 9:55 AM, bjcolt via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod,
> 
> I'm confused even more. Smile Bob is running windows 7 as am I on this pc.
> None of us are using windows 10. 
> 
> I still think its Bob though no matter what his os is. Lol.lol He is a
> nightmare honestly. I wish he would use normal programmes like outlook.lol
> There wouldn't be any problem there. Or would there? Maybe not. After all it
> is Bob. The phantom computer eradicator.lol
> 
> Live long and prosper, John
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Talk  On
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: 13 May 2020 14:15
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: RE: problem with outlook html messages
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> This is not A Window-Eyes issue, in my opinion.
> I'm afraid the only solution is to dig into Windows 10 settings and look for
> the list of file types and their associated programs and change html from
> Internet Explorer to Edge or Chrome or whatever else you like.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On
> Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
> Sent: May 12, 2020 5:17 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: John Covici 
> Subject: problem with outlook html messages
> 
> Hi.  I had not used WE for a while and I'd thought I'd try it and ran into a
> strange problem.  I have set my default browser to the new Microsoft Edge
> development channel, but when I hit enter on a link in an html outlook
> message, it uses internet explorer!
> 
> Is this somehow hard coded in WE or the app, or how else can I fix?
> 
> Thanks.
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RE: problem with outlook html messages

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

This is not A Window-Eyes issue, in my opinion.
I'm afraid the only solution is to dig into Windows 10 settings and look for 
the list of file types and their associated programs and change html from 
Internet Explorer to Edge or Chrome or whatever else you like.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
Sent: May 12, 2020 5:17 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: John Covici 
Subject: problem with outlook html messages

Hi.  I had not used WE for a while and I'd thought I'd try it and ran into a 
strange problem.  I have set my default browser to the new Microsoft Edge 
development channel, but when I hit enter on a link in an html outlook message, 
it uses internet explorer!

Is this somehow hard coded in WE or the app, or how else can I fix?

Thanks.

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Re: outlook email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

For a single user, office 365 personal is, as I see it, a very good deal at a 
cost of seven dollars a month or $70 a year plus local taxes.

All the best,

Rod

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> On Apr 4, 2020, at 4:35 PM, BK via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I have never used outlook. Is there a free outlook email client I
> can download and install on my harddrive? Or, do I have to by MS office
> or use outlook with a 365 subscription? If I can download the program
> without the office suite, please tell me where or send me the link. Any
> help is appreciated.
> 
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RE: Sample Script

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

I could say a lot about scripting Window-Eyes.
I learned it using Chip Orange's scripting course materials, both lecture 
recordings and notes.
However, being a relative novice to the high level of programming competence 
one needs to write scripts, I can say, humbly, that it is a long, hard climb, 
and this is because those materials are only an introduction to this subject.
I would tend to be inclined to see what you can do using user and hyperactive 
windows.
As a more comprehensive solution, I also recommend a caller ID program called 
Ascendis Caller ID, which, incidentally, does have a scripting interface, but 
comes preconfigured to speak numbers and names once you receive calls from your 
favorite contacts and put them in the program's address book.
I even got it for half off when I mentioned to the developer that I was blind.
The main requirement for using the program, however, is that you invest in one 
of several recommended modems which the developer has tested.
This is my take on this complex and exciting couple of subjects. Smile

Cheers,

Rod

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Behalf Of Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: April 3, 2020 11:22 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS) 
Subject: Sample Script

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone had a sample script for a WE app?  My task seems 
simple but since I never wrote a WE app, I am not sure.

I have a phone app that displays the caller id.  I want the caller id spoken 
when it comes in.  I was thinking of creating a hyperactive user window, but 
the manual says an app may be better.

David Ayers
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Re: Test

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Larry,

So happy you got it straightened out, finally.
We will do our best to protect ourselves.
Hope you and your family stay safe as well.

All the best,

Rod



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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:22 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well Rod, I got to thinking even before the JAWS Opportunity arived and when 
> trying to make up my mind about getting on the plan, that whatever was 
> hanging up WE on my system just might do the same with JAWS. So that is why 
> it occured to me that I might want to give a certain  Web site a try to see 
> how it would go, and that's where I made the discovery. Was a rather curious 
> way to repair things, but I'll take it. Sure beats a total reinstall.
> 
> 
> Now, remember to wash your hands, stay well, and stay put,
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
>> On 3/24/2020 11:22 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Tom and Larry
>> 
>> Actually, nothing is screwed up, because I have seen this for a long time on 
>> this list.
>> Tom, if you check the carbon copy field Of Larry’s message to you, you will 
>> see, As I did, that your name is within it.
>> Larry, the clean address for sending email to this list is:
>> 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> 
>> as for your browser problem being solved by some miracle, Larry, wonders 
>> never cease!
>> 
>> Columbo would’ve got a kick out of this one, a?
>> Big grin
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Larry,
>>> I only got one copy of this message. But something is messed up because the 
>>> header says it's to me via the talk list rather than to the Window-Eyes 
>>> discussion list, which is just the formal name of the talk list.
>>> It sounds like it's time for some address book house cleaning.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3/24/2020 5:24 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>> Listers,
>>>> This, as the subject indicates, is a test message.
>>>> I would like to know from you, Tom  Kingston, if you happened to receive 
>>>> two copies of this message. I am trying to make a change in my Thunderbird 
>>>> address book from an entry that shows your name every time I try to site a 
>>>> nickname for this group. Guess I don't get around to checking the address 
>>>> book often enough. Some day I'll figure out how all this stuff works 
>>>> .
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Re: Test

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom and Larry

Actually, nothing is screwed up, because I have seen this for a long time on 
this list.
Tom, if you check the carbon copy field Of Larry’s message to you, you will 
see, As I did, that your name is within it.
Larry, the clean address for sending email to this list is:

talk@lists.window-eyes.com

as for your browser problem being solved by some miracle, Larry, wonders never 
cease! 

Columbo would’ve got a kick out of this one, a?
Big grin

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Larry,
> I only got one copy of this message. But something is messed up because the 
> header says it's to me via the talk list rather than to the Window-Eyes 
> discussion list, which is just the formal name of the talk list.
> It sounds like it's time for some address book house cleaning.
> Good luck,
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On 3/24/2020 5:24 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> Listers,
>> This, as the subject indicates, is a test message.
>> I would like to know from you, Tom  Kingston, if you happened to receive two 
>> copies of this message. I am trying to make a change in my Thunderbird 
>> address book from an entry that shows your name every time I try to site a 
>> nickname for this group. Guess I don't get around to checking the address 
>> book often enough. Some day I'll figure out how all this stuff works .
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RE: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Larry,

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.
I was out of the house yesterday, and so I couldn't respond.
However, it sounds like you had some success by restoring.
Sorry I mixed you up with someone else who I was talking to about Station 
Playlist; I thought it was you. Smile
I was going to suggest that you simply reinstall Winamp rather than bother 
tinkering with the plugins folder since it's fairly easy to start from scratch.
Here is the link to my copy of the Winamp installer should you need it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ci9v2isi14dpqti/winamp5666_full_all.exe?dl=1

I hope you continue to have a stable Winamp experience.
Just to follow up on your comment that Window-Eyes seems to be breaking down 
for you, I have to say that I am having no difficulties using it on the most 
recent version of Windows 10.
To be clear, I did have to remove several apps in order to prevent error 
messages from appearing, but, once done, all it well.
Anyway, keep us posted on new developments. Smile

All the best,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: February 25, 2020 7:32 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

Rod, I am not using Station Playlist, at least not to my knowledge 

, only Winamp. The only audio program of any significant that I am using 
regularly is Total Recorder, and that still handles .mp3 files both from 
without and within. Same with Groove Music and WMP. They each will bring up 
both file  formats from File Explorer without problems

.

While tabbing through the long file extensions list yesterday, I noticed that 
there were other extensions with the URL file handler designation as well. 
There was one with a numeric extension that I had never heard of as well as a 
couple of og* like extensions. But I found it curious that .ogg itself was 
nowhere to be foun in that listd.


I did also try playing an .ogg file from a list presented via Cortana, and also 
got the strange designation, and it, like .mp3 would not play

  through Explorer.


You can bet that there is nobody whom I would trust more than you concerning 
these issues. Please send me the folder and I will give it a perusal before I 
take the step toward restoration .


Thanks,


Larry


On 2/25/2020 4:46 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> I know that you are using Station Playlist, something about which I have no 
> experience, and so I am thinking it is influencing your situation.
> However, it may be simply that some component of the plugins folder has gone 
> missing or been corrupted.
> First things first, though, and so I must ask if you are certain that you are 
> using the output plugin which you have always used, that is, one which is 
> capable of playing mp3 files.
> I am certain that you know how to check the current output plugin, but just 
> to be sure that you have checked this first.
> Certainly reinstalling Winamp will put things back in order, but perhaps a 
> simpler solution would be to compare your plugin folder with mine and at 
> least know that you have all the necessary files in order to make the default 
> output plugins work properly.
> I can certainly zip up my folder and send it along if you want it.
> Performing surgery on running software can be a bit of a brain tease, but I 
> have learned a lot about how Winamp works to say that I have enough 
> experience to solve a lot of problems.
> Of course, I know my needs, and they are quite simple and specific.
> However, as you know, I have learned enough about Window-Eyes apps to solve 
> quite a few problems.
> I even wrote my own Winamp script, which is how I was able to diagnose the 
> little punctuation problem you were having with Jeff Bishop’s app a while 
> back.
> It is really a matter of how much time and effort you want to expend digging 
> into your problem, and there is really only so much someone else can do to 
> help you on your machine while they are only sitting in front of their 
> machine, not yours.
> Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Take care,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. The 
>> weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been changed
>>   to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when 
>> running them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command Handler, and 
>> there is no such choice given either in Winamp settings, or in Windows. I 
>> have tried changing the setting both in Windows properties and default app  
>> settings in settings, but to no avail. I can't seem to change these settings 
>> in W

RE: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tony,

Here's a copy of the last version of Winamp:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ci9v2isi14dpqti/winamp5666_full_all.exe?dl=1

Enjoy,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of tony c via Talk
Sent: February 25, 2020 7:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

Hi, I am looking for an MP3 player. I used to use WinAmp and loved it. But I 
recently tried to download it and couldn’t get a copy to work.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 6:32 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

Rod, I am not using Station Playlist, at least not to my knowledge 

, only Winamp. The only audio program of any significant that I am using 
regularly is Total Recorder, and that still handles .mp3 files both from 
without and within. Same with Groove Music and WMP. They each will bring up 
both file  formats from File Explorer without problems

.

While tabbing through the long file extensions list yesterday, I noticed that 
there were other extensions with the URL file handler designation as well. 
There was one with a numeric extension that I had never heard of as well as a 
couple of og* like extensions. But I found it curious that .ogg itself was 
nowhere to be foun in that listd.


I did also try playing an .ogg file from a list presented via Cortana, and also 
got the strange designation, and it, like .mp3 would not play

  through Explorer.


You can bet that there is nobody whom I would trust more than you concerning 
these issues. Please send me the folder and I will give it a perusal before I 
take the step toward restoration .


Thanks,


Larry


On 2/25/2020 4:46 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> I know that you are using Station Playlist, something about which I have no 
> experience, and so I am thinking it is influencing your situation.
> However, it may be simply that some component of the plugins folder has gone 
> missing or been corrupted.
> First things first, though, and so I must ask if you are certain that you are 
> using the output plugin which you have always used, that is, one which is 
> capable of playing mp3 files.
> I am certain that you know how to check the current output plugin, but just 
> to be sure that you have checked this first.
> Certainly reinstalling Winamp will put things back in order, but perhaps a 
> simpler solution would be to compare your plugin folder with mine and at 
> least know that you have all the necessary files in order to make the default 
> output plugins work properly.
> I can certainly zip up my folder and send it along if you want it.
> Performing surgery on running software can be a bit of a brain tease, but I 
> have learned a lot about how Winamp works to say that I have enough 
> experience to solve a lot of problems.
> Of course, I know my needs, and they are quite simple and specific.
> However, as you know, I have learned enough about Window-Eyes apps to solve 
> quite a few problems.
> I even wrote my own Winamp script, which is how I was able to diagnose the 
> little punctuation problem you were having with Jeff Bishop’s app a while 
> back.
> It is really a matter of how much time and effort you want to expend digging 
> into your problem, and there is really only so much someone else can do to 
> help you on your machine while they are only sitting in front of their 
> machine, not yours.
> Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Take care,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. The 
>> weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been changed
>>   to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when 
>> running them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command Handler, and 
>> there is no such choice given either in Winamp settings, or in Windows. I 
>> have tried changing the setting both in Windows properties and default app  
>> settings in settings, but to no avail. I can't seem to change these settings 
>> in Winamp at all, there seems to be no way to actually select them. This 
>> situation is most unusual to say the least. This only started happening this 
>> morning, so I am really at a loss as to what might be going on.
>>
>> The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore, and see 
>> if maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted.
>>
>> Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that winamp 
>> might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but neve

Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Larry,

I know that you are using Station Playlist, something about which I have no 
experience, and so I am thinking it is influencing your situation.
However, it may be simply that some component of the plugins folder has gone 
missing or been corrupted.
First things first, though, and so I must ask if you are certain that you are 
using the output plugin which you have always used, that is, one which is 
capable of playing mp3 files.
I am certain that you know how to check the current output plugin, but just to 
be sure that you have checked this first.
Certainly reinstalling Winamp will put things back in order, but perhaps a 
simpler solution would be to compare your plugin folder with mine and at least 
know that you have all the necessary files in order to make the default output 
plugins work properly.
I can certainly zip up my folder and send it along if you want it.
Performing surgery on running software can be a bit of a brain tease, but I 
have learned a lot about how Winamp works to say that I have enough experience 
to solve a lot of problems.
Of course, I know my needs, and they are quite simple and specific.
However, as you know, I have learned enough about Window-Eyes apps to solve 
quite a few problems.
I even wrote my own Winamp script, which is how I was able to diagnose the 
little punctuation problem you were having with Jeff Bishop’s app a while back.
It is really a matter of how much time and effort you want to expend digging 
into your problem, and there is really only so much someone else can do to help 
you on your machine while they are only sitting in front of their machine, not 
yours.
Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 24, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. The 
> weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been changed
> 
>  to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when running 
> them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command Handler, and there is 
> no such choice given either in Winamp settings, or in Windows. I have tried 
> changing the setting both in Windows properties and default app  settings in 
> settings, but to no avail. I can't seem to change these settings in Winamp at 
> all, there seems to be no way to actually select them. This situation is most 
> unusual to say the least. This only started happening this morning, so I am 
> really at a loss as to what might be going on.
> 
> The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore, and see 
> if maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted.
> 
> Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that winamp 
> might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but nevertheless keep 
> their settings, and I can certainly see that as a possibility. I can't decide 
> if I should once again uninstall Winamp and then go  to the various folders 
> that pertain to Winamp and delete all of them in order to make sure I really 
> get a clean restart, but I dunno. If you have any suggestions, I'd be very 
> happy to hear them.
> 
> Oh well, I'm pretty tired of it now, so will take this on tomorrow.
> 
> Wish me luck. I'm sure gonna miss Winamp if I can't solve this problem.
> 
> I'm definitely gonna miss WE, but I'm coming close to just having to let it 
> go. It just hasn't functioned well since bringing  the computer home the 
> other day.
> 
> I attempted to update my HP Pavilion through the  support assist, but after 
> doing so, I couldn't load Windows. Anyway, all of this is making me a little 
> on the nervous side.
> 
> Oh well, will put it all to bed for now, including me.
> 
> Good to hear from you.
> 
> 
>> On 2/24/2020 5:22 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Larry,
>> 
>> I would say that somehow Winamp is no longer your default application for 
>> playing mp3 files.
>> Windows hasn’t changed that much such that you can still go to a folder and 
>> use the context key and use the options to change the default program for 
>> opening them.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Rod
>>  
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thought I'd better make that correction.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hello listers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And I sure hope you can help me with this one.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat my .mp3 
>>>> files  as if they are audio streams. I hear 

Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Larry,

I would say that somehow Winamp is no longer your default application for 
playing mp3 files.
Windows hasn’t changed that much such that you can still go to a folder and use 
the context key and use the options to change the default program for opening 
them.

Good luck,

Rod
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 24, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> thought I'd better make that correction.
> 
>> On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> Hello listers,
>> 
>> 
>> And I sure hope you can help me with this one.
>> 
>> 
>> For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat my .mp3 
>> files  as if they are audio streams. I hear something, or did, like"URL file 
>> handler file type," and the files will no longer play. If I load an mp3 
>> audio stream that uses an m3u file, it will load that stream, just not 
>> regular mp3 files.
>> 
>> 
>> Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because I'm sure that 
>> either this issue or another could arise when using Foobar, or any other 
>> player for that matter. I stick with it because Jeff Bishops app works so 
>> well.
>> 
>> 
>> I know that very soon, I'll have to give up on WE altogether, because after 
>> recently getting my computer back from the shop, WE seems to be falling 
>> apart before my very ears. Right now I am in the middle of a project, and I 
>> really would like to be able to use Winamp to play mp3 files as usual.
>> 
>> 
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated,
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
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RE: Clicking a balloon

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Lloyd,

However, according to the key describer for the key you mentioned, all that the 
hot key does is read it.
I never learned how to actually click a balloon tip.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: December 26, 2019 8:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: Clicking a balloon

According to the key describer function, you should use ctrl-Insert-T.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Tom via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:33 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Clicking a balloon

Can someone refresh my memory, how do I click a balloon?
Windows seven, window-eyes 9.5.4.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Test: please ignore.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Okay,Tom,

Glad you’re all straightened away. Smile

Enjoy Outlook,

Rod

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod,
> I managed to get the mess straightened out with a little elbow grease. Smile.
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 8:41 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: Re: Test: please ignore.
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> Yes, I recall buying a conversion program called Aid for Mail for $30.00 just 
> for the ability to use it once only in order to convert my Thunderbird email 
> to the required format for Outlook to use it.
> I chose to convert my email to a Outlook .PST file for my email in order to 
> make it portable.
> As for the contacts, since I was using an Outlook account, which I’m still 
> using, specifically, this hotmail account I’m writing from right now, all my 
> contacts are within the account itself, and so there was nothing to convert.  
> However, I do believe that many of your contacts are pulled from your email 
> once you have imported it, and so, even if your email account itself doesn’t 
> hold your contacts, since you’re using Charter.net, perhaps you’ll still be 
> okay.
> I’m going from memory here, and perhaps I’m mistaken about some of these 
> things, and so let me know if you need more specific details, and I can 
> always dig into the matter further.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rod,
>> A monster indeed. Although I've got it working pretty good now. The final 
>> battle has been trying to get my Thunderbird contact list into it. I import 
>> the csv file and it creates a new file in C:\Users\Tom Kingston\Local. But 
>> it obviously isn't accessing it because I get no suggestions when typing 
>> anything other than what I've already manually entered in the "To" field 
>> previously. Oh what fun.
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 7:37 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Rod Hutton 
>> Subject: Re: Test: please ignore.
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> Outlook is one of my best friends, though a monster, on both windows and the 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:07 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm just wrestling with the Outlook monster.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Test: please ignore.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Yes, I recall buying a conversion program called Aid for Mail for $30.00 just 
for the ability to use it once only in order to convert my Thunderbird email to 
the required format for Outlook to use it.
I chose to convert my email to a Outlook .PST file for my email in order to 
make it portable.
As for the contacts, since I was using an Outlook account, which I’m still 
using, specifically, this hotmail account I’m writing from right now, all my 
contacts are within the account itself, and so there was nothing to convert.  
However, I do believe that many of your contacts are pulled from your email 
once you have imported it, and so, even if your email account itself doesn’t 
hold your contacts, since you’re using Charter.net, perhaps you’ll still be 
okay.
I’m going from memory here, and perhaps I’m mistaken about some of these 
things, and so let me know if you need more specific details, and I can always 
dig into the matter further.

All the best,

Rod
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod,
> A monster indeed. Although I've got it working pretty good now. The final 
> battle has been trying to get my Thunderbird contact list into it. I import 
> the csv file and it creates a new file in C:\Users\Tom Kingston\Local. But it 
> obviously isn't accessing it because I get no suggestions when typing 
> anything other than what I've already manually entered in the "To" field 
> previously. Oh what fun.
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 7:37 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: Re: Test: please ignore.
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> Outlook is one of my best friends, though a monster, on both windows and the 
> Mac.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:07 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm just wrestling with the Outlook monster.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
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Re: Test: please ignore.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Outlook is one of my best friends, though a monster, on both windows and the 
Mac.

Good luck,
 
Rod

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> On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:07 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
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> 
> I'm just wrestling with the Outlook monster.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
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RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for taking the time to write this app.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, after unblocking the app as you describe, 
installing your version should not require one to uninstall the previous 
version.
Rather, installing your version would completely replace all components of the 
previous version and remove any components of the previous version not included 
in your version.
In short, as I've said, after one unblocks your file, installing your app 
should merely require one to press Enter on your file, and confirm the upgrade.

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:17 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't 
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the 
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're 
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a 
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made 
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type 
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the 
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new 
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my 
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license 
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that 
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have 
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late 
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 700 
> is working with braille.
> Are you using a braille display?
> If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just for 
> a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
> Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
> To: peter Chin via Talk 
> Cc: peter Chin 
> Subject: Re: email
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
> --
> Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
> Line 700 column 2
> Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
> <
> 0x800a000d
>>
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: peter Chin via Talk
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: email
> 
> What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
> does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
> is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
> Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.
> 
> 
> Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
> to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
> if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
> app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
> have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.
> 
> 
> Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
> be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
> have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
> if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
> files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
> reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
> is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
> anti-ware might be a good idea.
> 
> 
> Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
> you any fu

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 700 is 
working with braille.
Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just for a 
bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d
>


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
> --
> Hello all,
>
> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
> had
>
> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
> get a
>
> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
> choices:
>
> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
> last
>
> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>
> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.
>
>
> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>
> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script
>
> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>
> 
>
> ' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
> with
>
> this package.
>
> Option Explicit
>
>
> Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
>
> Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.ini"
>
> Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)
>
> Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =
>
> "
> http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
> "
>
> Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False
>
> Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False
>
> Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing
>
> Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>
> Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing
>
> Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0
>
> Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""
>
> Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing
>
> Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0
>
> Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing
>
> Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0
>
> Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0
>
>
> Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing
>
> Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0
>
> Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0
>
> Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing
>
> Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""
>
> Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0
>
>
> Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000
>
> Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"
>
>
> Class MessageWindowClass
>
>Private toField
>
>Private autoCompleteSelected
>
>Private myMSAAEventSource
>
>Private 

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

Incidentally, what you actually pasted into your message to the list was the 
complete text of the app.
How you got it, makes me scratch my head in puzzlement.
What we would really need in order to help is the error report.
This report would be generated if you press the correct button in the dialog 
precisely when the error dialog appears.
You would then find the report in the Window-Eyes profile folder.
It could be most easily found if you sort the profile folder by date, since the 
report is a text file having the name of the app.
You find the profile folder by choosing the Explore profile folder in the File 
menu of the control panel.
You would then just open the file in Notepad, select its contents and paste it 
into a message to the list.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 9:14 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

I guess you are right and in the end I will have to follow his advice. I did
include a copy of the error message in my last message. I pasted it below my
message after the row of dashes. The error message only occurs after I have
pressed Control+n for writing a new message, then  Alt+s to send it. It does
not occur if I reply to a message.

Thanks for trying to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:03 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the
program and script.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
> does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
> is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
> Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
> guessing.
>
>
> Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
> to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
> if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
> app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
> have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.
>
>
> Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
> be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
> have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
> if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
> files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
> reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
> is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
> anti-ware might be a good idea.
>
>
> Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
> you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
> you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
>> --
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
>> had
>>
>> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
>> get a
>>
>> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
>> choices:
>>
>> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
>> last
>>
>> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>>
>> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.
>>
>>
>> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>>
>> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script
>>
>> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>>
>> 
>>
>> ' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
>> with
>>
>> this package.
>>
>> Option Explicit
>>
>>
>> Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>>
>> "\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
>>
>> Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>>
>> "\WindowsLiveMail.ini"
>>
>> Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)
>>
>> Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =
>>
>> "
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
>> "
>>
>> Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False
>>
>> Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False
>>
>> Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing
>>
>> Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set 

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

This is the problem with continuing to use Window-Eyes when it is no longer 
being supported.
In the current situation, it forces people to try to keep using Window-Eyes by 
tinkering with it.
In order to tinker with it, you have to be an advanced user.
If I run into these situations, I begin by disabling the associated app, and 
see if I really need it in order to use the program which the app was written 
for.
If you're willing to do this, you can go ahead and try.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk On Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 10, 2019 9:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: email

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

Private toField

Private autoCompleteSelected

Private myMSAAEventSource

Private autoCompleteEntries

Private myHotkeys

Private messageWindow

Private msaaEvents

Private timers

Private startTimerProxy

Private hotkeyProxy

Private msaaEventProxy


Public Sub Class_Initialize()


' Begin

Set toField = Nothing

Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

End Sub


Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

' Begin

Set messageWindow = wObj

RegisterHotkeys wObj

' We only need to hook events for new messages

myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

If newMessage Then

msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectStateChange",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_STATECHANGE)

Else

msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectReorder",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_REORDER)

End If

Set Init = Me

End Function


Private Sub RegisterHotkeys(wObj)

Dim i


' Begin

For i = 1 to 7

Set 

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows 
support 

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
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Facebook

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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RE: Set file question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

The solution is to look for a file in you’re profiles folder and rename or 
delete it.
You access your profiles folder by opening the WE control panel using 
Ctrl-backslash.
Then, press alt-f for File, and press E for Explore profiles folder.
This opens a normal folder containing all the settings files for your current 
installation of WE.
If I want to unassociate a set file from one of my programs, I would look for a 
file starting with the name of  the program, followed by the extension .WE.
For example, I made a set file called LOOPREC.SET, and so there is a file 
called LOOPREC.WE in my profiles folder.
If I don't want Window-Eyes to load LOOPREC.SET anymore when I open my LOOPREC 
program, I would rename LOOPREC.WE to something like LOOPREC.WE.txt.
When you rename it, Window-Eyes simply loads default.set instead.
In your case, there must be some window association occurring on your system, 
such that Window-Eyes is looking for the set file.
By renaming the .WE file as I have suggested, Window-Eyes will simply load 
default.set instead, which always exists.

I hope this helps,

Rod/.

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: October 26, 2019 11:20 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Cc: David 
Subject: Set file question

Listers,

A bit techie this one.


I had a software installed on my computer, and had a set file for that specific 
piece of software. That is, the set file was named something like 
MySoftware.set.


A while ago, I deleted that set file, for different reasons. Now, my screen 
reader keeps reminding me, that:

     The following file is missing: MySoftware.set.

Good enough, of course it is missing, and no longer valid, since I have removed 
it from my computer, and likewise the software it was linked with.


My big question here is, if any of you would happen to know, in which 
set, ini or WE file (or whatever other file) on my computer this linking 
is stored. I mean, somewhere the screen reader apparently stores the 
link between which program should load which set file. And if I knew 
what file to edit, perhaps I could get rid of that silly reminder. Just 
not sure, which file holds the list of what set file is linked with what 
software. So if you could help me out, I would be greatly thankful.


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RE: changes in drop box

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Okay, just checked my version of the DropBox desktop app.
I did this by opening the system tray using Insert-S which is the Window-Eyes 
hot key for doing this.
It is 82.4.155.
It was updated yesterday according to Add/Remove programs.
I'm running Windows 10 Home 64-bit.
I have a desktop icon for DropBox.
When I press Enter on it, it opens my personal DropBox folder. which displays 
just like any other folder on my system.
And, within this folder are all my shared folders, that is, folders I have 
shared with other specific people, like you and I had, at one time.
I don't know what else I can say except that you could uninstall and then 
reinstall the desktop app and log in again.
The key thing to note is that the DropBox desktop application is the most 
easily accessible way to manage sharing files on a daily basis.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: October 4, 2019 7:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi Rod,

Sorry but it doesn;'t do as on the tin. Smile

When I open drop box. The page is blank. The only way I can read anything is 
use the arrow keys on the numpad. Tabbing doesn't work either. 

To select a named folder I use the arrow keys on the numpadto first select a 
named folder. Then the arrow ke to the right of control. Those keys don't speak 
but the named folder changes with the up or down arrow keys. The numpad arrow 
keys don't change the named folder in any way.

I hope that makes sense?

Live long and prosper, Johnys

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 04 October 2019 11:43
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi John,

I'm sorry but we don't seem to be on the same page.
Let's try to go slowly in order to diagnose this problem.
Do you have an icon called DropBox on your desktop?
If you press Enter on this icon, it should open the DropBox folder which should 
display exactly like any other folder on your system.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: October 4, 2019 5:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi Rod,

I always viewed the drop box folder using the arrow keys. That view no longer 
works for me. I have to use the numpad arrow keys to view the drop box folder.

I am unable to paste any files in drop box, even though I have selected a sub 
folder. I can't open the folders either.They changed the interface. 

I was able to arrow down press enter on a folder and either copy or paste in a 
folder or file. I can't do that any more.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 04 October 2019 05:08
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi John,

Precisely are you trying to view your folders?
Do you not still have the DropBox desktop software installed, which creates a 
personal folder, normally as a child of your user folder?
And then your shared folders, which you set up with fellow DropBox users, are 
children of your personal folder.
Also, you can view your DropBox account on the web, with the browser and screen 
reader of your choice.

Hope this helps,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: October 3, 2019 7:51 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: changes in drop box

Hi List, 

 

I just noticed today that drop box has been updated. I for some reason can't 
read the drop box page where my folders are kept. However I can read them with 
the numpad keys. 

 

I this a fixable problem? I was able to read the page with the arrow keys no 
problem with nvda.

 

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: changes in drop box

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

I'm sorry but we don't seem to be on the same page.
Let's try to go slowly in order to diagnose this problem.
Do you have an icon called DropBox on your desktop?
If you press Enter on this icon, it should open the DropBox folder which should 
display exactly like any other folder on your system.

Best,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: October 4, 2019 5:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi Rod,

I always viewed the drop box folder using the arrow keys. That view no longer 
works for me. I have to use the numpad arrow keys to view the drop box folder.

I am unable to paste any files in drop box, even though I have selected a sub 
folder. I can't open the folders either.They changed the interface. 

I was able to arrow down press enter on a folder and either copy or paste in a 
folder or file. I can't do that any more.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 04 October 2019 05:08
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: changes in drop box

Hi John,

Precisely are you trying to view your folders?
Do you not still have the DropBox desktop software installed, which creates a 
personal folder, normally as a child of your user folder?
And then your shared folders, which you set up with fellow DropBox users, are 
children of your personal folder.
Also, you can view your DropBox account on the web, with the browser and screen 
reader of your choice.

Hope this helps,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: October 3, 2019 7:51 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: changes in drop box

Hi List, 

 

I just noticed today that drop box has been updated. I for some reason can't 
read the drop box page where my folders are kept. However I can read them with 
the numpad keys. 

 

I this a fixable problem? I was able to read the page with the arrow keys no 
problem with nvda.

 

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: changes in drop box

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Precisely are you trying to view your folders?
Do you not still have the DropBox desktop software installed, which creates a 
personal folder, normally as a child of your user folder?
And then your shared folders, which you set up with fellow DropBox users, are 
children of your personal folder.
Also, you can view your DropBox account on the web, with the browser and screen 
reader of your choice.

Hope this helps,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: October 3, 2019 7:51 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: changes in drop box

Hi List, 

 

I just noticed today that drop box has been updated. I for some reason can't 
read the drop box page where my folders are kept. However I can read them with 
the numpad keys. 

 

I this a fixable problem? I was able to read the page with the arrow keys no 
problem with nvda.

 

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: w/e files to exclude from virus scans

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mcleod,

It occurs to me that I should add that the folders I mentioned are all you 
would need to place in the exclusion if, and only if, the exclusion includes 
all subfolders.
Otherwise, you would need to include each subfolder of those I mentioned.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton 
Sent: September 29, 2019 8:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: w/e files to exclude from virus scans

Hi Mcleod,

I don't think your antivirus program scans Program Files (x86) does it?
If it does, you can exclude:

C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro

The only other folder is:

C:\Users\Rod-Win-10\AppData\Roaming\GW Micro

In the above path, you can replace Rod Hutton with the name of your own user 
folder.
Also, remember to replace C: with the drive letter where your folders reside.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of mcleod stinnett via Talk
Sent: September 29, 2019 3:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: mcleod stinnett 
Subject: w/e files to exclude from virus scans

I lost my lists with the file paths. i think there are about 4 or five.
it's my  understanding that malware bytes and other programs can corrupt some 
w/e files, thanks.
--
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RE: w/e files to exclude from virus scans

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mcleod,

I don't think your antivirus program scans Program Files (x86) does it?
If it does, you can exclude:

C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro

The only other folder is:

C:\Users\Rod-Win-10\AppData\Roaming\GW Micro

In the above path, you can replace Rod Hutton with the name of your own user 
folder.
Also, remember to replace C: with the drive letter where your folders reside.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of mcleod stinnett via Talk
Sent: September 29, 2019 3:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: mcleod stinnett 
Subject: w/e files to exclude from virus scans

I lost my lists with the file paths. i think there are about 4 or five.
it's my  understanding that malware bytes and other programs can corrupt some 
w/e files, thanks.
--
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RE: help with outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

I wouldn't be surprised that the fact that your software isn't properly 
registered might cause accessibility issues.
As I'm always saying, the advantage of Office 365 is that Microsoft is always 
improving accessibility, and, of course, as long as your logged into your 
Microsoft account, you are always registered.
I subscribe annually, which gives you two months for free, but even monthly 
gives you a lot of resources.
Anyway, I'll get off my soap box and just wish you well with what you have. 
Smile

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 26, 2019 6:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,
It's a full registered Office 2016. As usual it's a long story. Smiles I bought 
it and had problems verifying it. I then did and was put through to the techy 
department of Microsoft for them to install it via remote access.
After trying for 2 and a half hours yesterday, I was cut off. Grin. 

That's the main reason I'm calling the disability help desk. 

I did notice those selections and did try to alter them but maybe as it's a 
sort of trial version those catagories might not work.

Microsoft employees seem puzzled and perturbed when I explain I am a blind 
person. Somehow it doesn't sink in right away. Silence is often the first 
reaction from them.

Thanks a million for the help and it is appreciated.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 26 September 2019 10:47
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Are you using a static version of Office 2016?
I'm using Office 365 which changes regularly.
If you use the View tab, there are view settings in there for displaying 
columns.
This is what you must do if you want just the sender, subject and date.
And then there is the sorting by whichever field.
I'm sure the Disability Answer Desk will help.
Of course, I don't call them unless it's something major. Smile Another hot key 
is Ctrl-Shift-I which takes you to the inbox and seems to straighten out the 
display.
The Outlook Windows seem quite fluid, adjusting to the data which must be 
displayed.
And, yes, I've spent some good time playing with the display.
However, I always seem to get things straightened   out eventually.
I wish I could say more except to keep at it and you'll get there eventually 
too.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 26, 2019 4:37 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Yes tried both, nothing changes. I spent ages on trying to show just the 
subject line but no matter what I tried nothing worked.

I'll try caling Microsoft disability help desk later today. They might help?

Have a great day.

Live long and prosper, john

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 25 September 2019 20:38
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Have you tried pressing Alt-spacebar to bring up the window control menu and 
then arrowing down to choose maximize or restore, whichever is available, to 
see if this affects verbosity?
Also, pressing Alt-v, and then X is the key combination to reset normal view 
settings.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 2:56 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

At this point in time I would be delighted if I could cut down the added garble 
on the subject line. It reads everything like normal, not normal, attachment no 
attachment. All that extraneous stuff. Just the subject line would be 
brilliant.lol

Sincerely, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 25 September 2019 15:15
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, I see what you mean.
My instructions are a bit old and so the step you are working on is not right.
At this point, after installing the Outlook Enhance app, you can just close 
Outlook, reboot, and you should be good to go.
If not, you can let me know.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 9:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod, 


Apologies as I am having a problem configuring outlook. When I press alt, f, t, 
a twice. I don't get where it should be? It reads browse. I guess I'm doing 
something wrong but can't figure it out.

Any help would be appreciated.

Live long and prosper, John
-Original Message

RE: help with outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Are you using a static version of Office 2016?
I'm using Office 365 which changes regularly.
If you use the View tab, there are view settings in there for displaying 
columns.
This is what you must do if you want just the sender, subject and date.
And then there is the sorting by whichever field.
I'm sure the Disability Answer Desk will help.
Of course, I don't call them unless it's something major. Smile
Another hot key is Ctrl-Shift-I which takes you to the inbox and seems to 
straighten out the display.
The Outlook Windows seem quite fluid, adjusting to the data which must be 
displayed.
And, yes, I've spent some good time playing with the display.
However, I always seem to get things straightened   out eventually.
I wish I could say more except to keep at it and you'll get there eventually 
too.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 26, 2019 4:37 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Yes tried both, nothing changes. I spent ages on trying to show just the 
subject line but no matter what I tried nothing worked.

I'll try caling Microsoft disability help desk later today. They might help?

Have a great day.

Live long and prosper, john

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 25 September 2019 20:38
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Have you tried pressing Alt-spacebar to bring up the window control menu and 
then arrowing down to choose maximize or restore, whichever is available, to 
see if this affects verbosity?
Also, pressing Alt-v, and then X is the key combination to reset normal view 
settings.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 2:56 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

At this point in time I would be delighted if I could cut down the added garble 
on the subject line. It reads everything like normal, not normal, attachment no 
attachment. All that extraneous stuff. Just the subject line would be 
brilliant.lol

Sincerely, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 25 September 2019 15:15
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, I see what you mean.
My instructions are a bit old and so the step you are working on is not right.
At this point, after installing the Outlook Enhance app, you can just close 
Outlook, reboot, and you should be good to go.
If not, you can let me know.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 9:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod, 


Apologies as I am having a problem configuring outlook. When I press alt, f, t, 
a twice. I don't get where it should be? It reads browse. I guess I'm doing 
something wrong but can't figure it out.

Any help would be appreciated.

Live long and prosper, John
-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 24 September 2019 10:50
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, life's pretty good, and hope the same is true for you. Smile.
Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 24, 2019 5:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Sorry I can't find that folder in drop box. If you can send me a link to it I 
would be extremely gratefull. 

Thanks for your help and hope life is good to you.

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: help with outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Have you tried pressing Alt-spacebar to bring up the window control menu and 
then arrowing down to choose maximize or restore, whichever is available, to 
see if this affects verbosity?
Also, pressing Alt-v, and then X is the key combination to reset normal view 
settings.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 2:56 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

At this point in time I would be delighted if I could cut down the added garble 
on the subject line. It reads everything like normal, not normal, attachment no 
attachment. All that extraneous stuff. Just the subject line would be 
brilliant.lol

Sincerely, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 25 September 2019 15:15
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, I see what you mean.
My instructions are a bit old and so the step you are working on is not right.
At this point, after installing the Outlook Enhance app, you can just close 
Outlook, reboot, and you should be good to go.
If not, you can let me know.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 9:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod, 


Apologies as I am having a problem configuring outlook. When I press alt, f, t, 
a twice. I don't get where it should be? It reads browse. I guess I'm doing 
something wrong but can't figure it out.

Any help would be appreciated.

Live long and prosper, John
-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 24 September 2019 10:50
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, life's pretty good, and hope the same is true for you. Smile.
Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 24, 2019 5:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Sorry I can't find that folder in drop box. If you can send me a link to it I 
would be extremely gratefull. 

Thanks for your help and hope life is good to you.

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: help with outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Yes, I see what you mean.
My instructions are a bit old and so the step you are working on is not right.
At this point, after installing the Outlook Enhance app, you can just close 
Outlook, reboot, and you should be good to go.
If not, you can let me know.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 25, 2019 9:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod, 


Apologies as I am having a problem configuring outlook. When I press alt, f, t, 
a twice. I don't get where it should be? It reads browse. I guess I'm doing 
something wrong but can't figure it out.

Any help would be appreciated.

Live long and prosper, John
-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 24 September 2019 10:50
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, life's pretty good, and hope the same is true for you. Smile.
Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Sent: September 24, 2019 5:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Sorry I can't find that folder in drop box. If you can send me a link to it I 
would be extremely gratefull. 

Thanks for your help and hope life is good to you.

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: help with outlook 2016

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Hi John,

So happy for you! Smile.
Okay, try this link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 24, 2019 6:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Doing alright here, have an adorable girlfriend in Michegan. 

Sorry to say when I clicked on the link I got a code 4000 error. It said the 
files are safe. This outlook has a jynx honestly.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 24 September 2019 10:50
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Yes, life's pretty good, and hope the same is true for you. Smile.
Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk  On 
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Sent: September 24, 2019 5:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Sorry I can't find that folder in drop box. If you can send me a link to it I 
would be extremely gratefull. 

Thanks for your help and hope life is good to you.

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: help with outlook 2016

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Hi John,

Yes, life's pretty good, and hope the same is true for you. Smile.
Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxid7y2n07m9735/OutlookOfficeWEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 24, 2019 5:21 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

Sorry I can't find that folder in drop box. If you can send me a link to it I 
would be extremely gratefull. 

Thanks for your help and hope life is good to you.

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: Off-topic: Linux

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Hi Olusegun,

Thanks for the clarification regarding the mouse-related keystrokes for JFW.
Being forever curious, and enjoying a good challenge, I would appreciate some 
details regarding the first of your challenges with your Android device, 
namely, generating ASCII characters.
First, are you using a phone and/or a tablet, and details of what your 
precisely trying to do and why would b great.
I am an Apple user, and so I have no direct experience of Android, but I'm 
still curious and think I might be able to help.
As for the remaining two challenges which you have not mentioned, a brief 
summary would be a delicious carrot on a stick for my curiosity. Grin.

All the best,

Rod

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Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 5:08 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
Subject: RE: Off-topic: Linux

A silly stuff with Jaws:  Routing the mouse to the PC works haphazardly for the 
most part.  Sometimes, for better results, routing PC to Jaws "somewhat works" 
better.  Anyhow, here are the keystrokes:

1.  Route Jaws to PC; Insert+dash using the Numpad keys.  The "dash" is the 
top-right key on the Numpad.

2.  Routing PC to Jaws:  Insert-Plus; theat's the "plus" key on the Numpad.
It is below the "dash" key and is larger in size.

Of course, for of these to work, the NumLock MUST BE turned off.  

I still hate Jaws and its silly keystrokes such as Insert-Alt-M for example.
I prefer Window-Eyes forever, but, I am working ever so farther away from 
Windows and more deeply into the Android world.  My goal, to toss Windows 
Anything down the drain soon enough!  A showstopper presently is NOT BEING ABLE 
to GENERATE ASCII characters using the keyboard with my Android toys.
There are at least two other issues, but I'll leave it at the one cited herein.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Off-topic: Linux

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Hi,

Thanks for the link to the mailing list, which, in fact, is correct.
I can understand the need to find a supported accessible distribution of Linux.
And yet, the distribution of Vinux which I just installed seems to work fine, 
for as much as I might use it.
I also enjoy tinkering, and I can do that well enough using Windows and the 
Apple ecosystem, as well as my army of Google Home Minis. Smile.

Thanks once again,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of dhoffjr--- via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 12:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: dhof...@att.net
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

As another responder told you, Vinux is no longer being developed.  If you are 
a total beginner I suggest you look at "Slint" which is a branch of Slackware 
Linux and is very accessible with a screen reader. Do a Google search for the 
download which is about a 4 plus gigabyte download but a very all inclusive 
installation and easy to install. The maintainer of "Slint" is a very helpful 
person and I understand there is a very helpful user mail list.  But, as I said 
earlier, the Orca screen reader is not as far advanced as WindowEyes was in 
Windows. If you like tinkering then you will like Linux.

I have a link for the Slint mail list but am not sure is it is correct.
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr

Good luck.
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RE: Off-topic: Linux

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Hi Norene,

Normally, pressing Enter on a link is the same as clicking with the mouse.
I don't use Jaws, but, if memory serves, you can also simulate mouse movement 
and clicking functions as follows:
You can route the mouse pointer to the link which currently has focus by 
pressing the Numpad Plus key, and then you could perform a left-click of the 
mouse using the Numpad Slash key, which is located to the right of the Numlock 
key.

I hope this helps,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 3:32 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Norene Trappa 
Subject: RE: Off-topic: Linux

Hello Rod,

I know you know a lot about computer.  I am using Jaws 2019 and have not 
learned much so far.  In emails, especially recently, I am told to read things 
in the browser.  It asks me to click which I do not do with the mouse.  Is 
there a keystroke that will click instead?  Sure would like to figure that out. 
 Can you help?  Thanks.

Norene



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+nstrappa=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: Off-topic: Linux

Hi Shannon,

The hot key is Ctrl-Alt-V.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Shannon via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 2:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Shannon 
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

Dear Friend,
can you refresh my mind, how to turn on the feature to read a scanned text 
document in Window eyes?
Thnk You very much.
Shannon


-Original Message-
From: dhoffjr--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: dhof...@att.net
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

As another responder told you, Vinux is no longer being developed.  If you are 
a total beginner I suggest you look at "Slint" which is a branch of Slackware 
Linux and is very accessible with a screen reader. Do a Google search for the 
download which is about a 4 plus gigabyte download but a very all inclusive 
installation and easy to install. The maintainer of "Slint" is a very helpful 
person and I understand there is a very helpful user mail list.  But, as I said 
earlier, the Orca screen reader is not as far advanced as WindowEyes was in 
Windows. If you like tinkering then you will like Linux.

I have a link for the Slint mail list but am not sure is it is correct.
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr

Good luck.
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RE: help with outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

If your DropBox is still working, I put them into our shared folder called Rod 
and John.
If not, let me know and I'll prepare a special link in my DropBox.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 3:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi Rod,

I'm writing this blind. Quite literally. Nothing is reading on the page when I 
move the right or left arrows. Smile.

I don't have outlook enhanced installed. I tried downloading it from app 
central but it won't download. I'm using google chrome. Not sure if that is the 
problem. I press enter on download and nothing happens.

Is there anywhere else I can get the outlook apps?

Live long and prosper, John

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 23 September 2019 20:15
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: help with outlook 2016

Hi John,

Below are some notes I keep on the subject of setting up Window-Eyes for use 
with Outlook.
Also, note that whereas you may be used to jumping from the folder pane to the 
message list using Tab, this has been changed in newer versions of Outlook to 
Ctrl-Tab or F6.
And, note also that before jumping into a list of messages, you must first 
press Enter to select the folder in the folder pane.
Okay, here you go for the notes.

How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

It needs to be emphasized that these steps must be done in the ordre listed.

First, install the set files for the most current version of Office or whatever 
version of Office you are using.
This is done from the Factory Settings dialog, opened from the File menu within 
the Window-Eyes control panel.
Indeed, Office 365 is the most accessible version of Office to use with any 
screen reader, and this is because Microsoft is updating it on a monthly basis.
At the time of this writing, Office 2016 is the most current version of Office, 
and it is the version included in Office 365.
Next, install the Office Enhance app, and then the Outlook Enhance app, in this 
precise order.
Even if the above two apps are already installed, you can reinstall them 
without uninstalling them.
Note that a reboot is always required after installing the Outlook Enhance app.
Next, make sure that the Outlook Enhance add-on isn't disabled within Outlook, 
as follows:
>From the main Outlook window, press:
alt-f, t, A twice, tab 4 times.
Down arrow to disabled and tab to go and press enter.
Next, arrow through, if something like Outlook Enhance is in the list, press 
space on it.
Shift-tab to enable and press enter.
Press Ok or close all dialogs you opened.
Restart outlook.

A point about the display of messages in the message window:
Alt-Shift-V toggles the virtualization of messages, that is, the display of 
message content like a web page.
This is the most convenient way to display messages since it allows the opening 
of web page links from within messages just as though you had opened them on a 
web page.
Message virtualization can also be toggled from the Outlook Enhance app menu 
from within the Window-Eyes control panel.

Further, from within the message window, the hot keys Alt-1 through 7 read the 
message headers, and, any of these, pressed a second time, will place the 
cursor on the corresponding header.
Also, the hot key Control-Alt-A opens the Save Attachments dialog, where you 
can choose a location to save any or all the files attached to the message.
Note that if the dialog does not appear when you press this hot key, the dialog 
may have opened, but you may need to Alt-tab to it.
Attachments can also be save by choosing the File Attachments option from the 
File menu within the message window.
Perhaps the easiest method of handling attachments is to press Alt-7 twice to 
focus the list of attachments, and you can tab through the various options for 
opening or saving any or all of them.

Regarding the reading of headers or saving attachments, it is possible that 
these functions might not be available or perform as expected.
In this case, it may be necessary to repeat the above configuration steps, or 
simply restart Outlook, or even reboot the system to reset all of the required 
components.
This should get everything up and running properly.

Outlook allows you to configure the display of messages in any folder, and even 
to apply such views to other folders.
This is done from the View tab in the main Outlook window.
if you find that your messages aren't displaying properly in the list of 
messages in any folder, you can reset the view by pressing the following keys, 
one at a time, Alt, V, X.
Here Ends How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 1:55 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion L

RE: help with outlook 2016

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Below are some notes I keep on the subject of setting up Window-Eyes for use 
with Outlook.
Also, note that whereas you may be used to jumping from the folder pane to the 
message list using Tab, this has been changed in newer versions of Outlook to 
Ctrl-Tab or F6.
And, note also that before jumping into a list of messages, you must first 
press Enter to select the folder in the folder pane.
Okay, here you go for the notes.

How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

It needs to be emphasized that these steps must be done in the ordre listed.

First, install the set files for the most current version of Office or whatever 
version of Office you are using.
This is done from the Factory Settings dialog, opened from the File menu within 
the Window-Eyes control panel.
Indeed, Office 365 is the most accessible version of Office to use with any 
screen reader, and this is because Microsoft is updating it on a monthly basis.
At the time of this writing, Office 2016 is the most current version of Office, 
and it is the version included in Office 365.
Next, install the Office Enhance app, and then the Outlook Enhance app, in this 
precise order.
Even if the above two apps are already installed, you can reinstall them 
without uninstalling them.
Note that a reboot is always required after installing the Outlook Enhance app.
Next, make sure that the Outlook Enhance add-on isn't disabled within Outlook, 
as follows:
>From the main Outlook window, press:
alt-f, t, A twice, tab 4 times.
Down arrow to disabled and tab to go and press enter.
Next, arrow through, if something like Outlook Enhance is in the list, press 
space on it.
Shift-tab to enable and press enter.
Press Ok or close all dialogs you opened.
Restart outlook.

A point about the display of messages in the message window:
Alt-Shift-V toggles the virtualization of messages, that is, the display of 
message content like a web page.
This is the most convenient way to display messages since it allows the opening 
of web page links from within messages just as though you had opened them on a 
web page.
Message virtualization can also be toggled from the Outlook Enhance app menu 
from within the Window-Eyes control panel.

Further, from within the message window, the hot keys Alt-1 through 7 read the 
message headers, and, any of these, pressed a second time, will place the 
cursor on the corresponding header.
Also, the hot key Control-Alt-A opens the Save Attachments dialog, where you 
can choose a location to save any or all the files attached to the message.
Note that if the dialog does not appear when you press this hot key, the dialog 
may have opened, but you may need to Alt-tab to it.
Attachments can also be save by choosing the File Attachments option from the 
File menu within the message window.
Perhaps the easiest method of handling attachments is to press Alt-7 twice to 
focus the list of attachments, and you can tab through the various options for 
opening or saving any or all of them.

Regarding the reading of headers or saving attachments, it is possible that 
these functions might not be available or perform as expected.
In this case, it may be necessary to repeat the above configuration steps, or 
simply restart Outlook, or even reboot the system to reset all of the required 
components.
This should get everything up and running properly.

Outlook allows you to configure the display of messages in any folder, and even 
to apply such views to other folders.
This is done from the View tab in the main Outlook window.
if you find that your messages aren't displaying properly in the list of 
messages in any folder, you can reset the view by pressing the following keys, 
one at a time, Alt, V, X.
Here Ends How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 1:55 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: help with outlook 2016

Hi List,

 

Are there any tutorials or advice about setting up outlook 2016? I was using 
outlook 2007. There is too much on the subject line.lol

 

Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.

 

Live long and prosper, John

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RE: Off-topic: Linux

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Shannon,

The hot key is Ctrl-Alt-V.

All the best,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Shannon via Talk
Sent: September 23, 2019 2:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Shannon 
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

Dear Friend,
can you refresh my mind, how to turn on the feature to read a scanned text 
document in Window eyes?
Thnk You very much.
Shannon


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Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: dhof...@att.net
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

As another responder told you, Vinux is no longer being developed.  If
you are a total beginner I suggest you look at "Slint" which is a branch
of Slackware Linux and is very accessible with a screen reader. Do a
Google search for the download which is about a 4 plus gigabyte download
but a very all inclusive installation and easy to install. The
maintainer of "Slint" is a very helpful person and I understand there is
a very helpful user mail list.  But, as I said earlier, the Orca screen
reader is not as far advanced as WindowEyes was in Windows. If you like
tinkering then you will like Linux.

I have a link for the Slint mail list but am not sure is it is correct.
http://slint.fr/mailman/listinfo/slint_slint.fr

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RE: Off-topic: Linux

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Hi David,

Quicker than I expected, I found, downloaded, and installed Vinux.
Here's the URL with links to various distributions, of which I have only tried 
the 64-bit version, since this is the type of computer I have:

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=vinux

Here's the URL to download the 64-bit version:

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vinuxproject/vinux-5.1-amd64.iso

This requires a 64-bit computer.
This is an ISO image which, normally, you would burn to a DVD, not a CD since 
it is too large.
Once you boot the computer with the DVD, it comes up talking and immediately 
gives you the option to install it on your system.
It will format the hard disk on your system to hold the operating system, which 
is Linux Ubuntu.
I had only one hard disk attached to the virtual machine I installed it to, and 
so I do not know precisely how I would choose the drive to which to install it 
were I to have had more than one.
However, I assume it would default to the primary drive.
The installation procedure is quite straightforward, assuming speech comes up 
for you at the outset.
If it does come up talking, you will be prompted to install it to your hard 
disk immediately.

Here's a web page containing some useful keyboard shortcuts to Linux Ubuntu:

https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-shortcuts/

Finally, here's a link to the documentation for the Orca screen reader which is 
installed on the desktop of this version of Linux:

https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/

As memory serves, when you open a terminal window on the Linux Gnome desktop, 
another screen reader is in effect.
However, I do not believe the command set is essentially different since the 
two screen readers are intended to work together, one being for the graphical 
user interface of the Gnome desktop, whereas the other is intended for use in 
the terminal.

Anyway, this should get you going, and you can let us know about any challenges 
you might encounter.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: September 22, 2019 12:43 AM
To: dhoffjr--- via Talk 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

Thanks, and sorry for late reply.


I first of all, need to get hold of Linux; whichever version I might go for. 
Someone sent me a link for Vinux, but all I can find on that page, is a lot of 
blah-blah about the project. It says to download it from the FTP, but the 
address on the page is

     ftp://ftp.vinux.org.uk/

and when I try that one, it keeps asking me for a username and password. 
These are told to be

     vinuxftp

both, but that does not work. Any other attempts I have made to get hold of 
that Vinux thing, simply just has failed.


Do you happen to know, if that project still is going? On the 
Vinux.org.uk, the latest I can seem to find, is some notes from a couple 
of years back. So just wonder if it all has discontinued.


Anyway, what else can I do. You mentioned a few versions, and to a 
newbie, it simply makes little difference. Sorry. Which version would 
you suggest I start with, and where to get it?


My appologies for silly questions, but I am quite blank on the Linux 
field, so forebare with me please.


Thanks again,


David

On 7/10/2019 7:20 PM, dhoffjr--- via Talk wrote:
> I have been using Linux for about 10 years. Started out with a distro
> called Vinux based on Debian and later on Ubuntu, and now using mainly
> Debian in the console text mode with speech.  There is a new release of
> a distro called Slint from Slackware which I am currently also looking
> at.  Unfortunately, Linux does not have the equivalent of the WE screen
> reader, and not all applications are accessible with the screen reader
> that comes with Linux.
>
> I am also using WE with Windows 7 which I cannot get away from do to
> business software I use.
>
> I check my email every morning and would be happy if you want to contact
> me directly for any questions.
>
>
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RE: Off-topic: Linux

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

It's been several years since I played around with Vinux, which was a talking 
version of Linux.
Over the next few days, I'll see if I can prepare a virtual machine with a 
version from their website, and then I'll report back.

All the best,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: September 22, 2019 12:43 AM
To: dhoffjr--- via Talk 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux

Thanks, and sorry for late reply.


I first of all, need to get hold of Linux; whichever version I might go for. 
Someone sent me a link for Vinux, but all I can find on that page, is a lot of 
blah-blah about the project. It says to download it from the FTP, but the 
address on the page is

     ftp://ftp.vinux.org.uk/

and when I try that one, it keeps asking me for a username and password. 
These are told to be

     vinuxftp

both, but that does not work. Any other attempts I have made to get hold of 
that Vinux thing, simply just has failed.


Do you happen to know, if that project still is going? On the 
Vinux.org.uk, the latest I can seem to find, is some notes from a couple 
of years back. So just wonder if it all has discontinued.


Anyway, what else can I do. You mentioned a few versions, and to a 
newbie, it simply makes little difference. Sorry. Which version would 
you suggest I start with, and where to get it?


My appologies for silly questions, but I am quite blank on the Linux 
field, so forebare with me please.


Thanks again,


David

On 7/10/2019 7:20 PM, dhoffjr--- via Talk wrote:
> I have been using Linux for about 10 years. Started out with a distro
> called Vinux based on Debian and later on Ubuntu, and now using mainly
> Debian in the console text mode with speech.  There is a new release of
> a distro called Slint from Slackware which I am currently also looking
> at.  Unfortunately, Linux does not have the equivalent of the WE screen
> reader, and not all applications are accessible with the screen reader
> that comes with Linux.
>
> I am also using WE with Windows 7 which I cannot get away from do to
> business software I use.
>
> I check my email every morning and would be happy if you want to contact
> me directly for any questions.
>
>
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RE: Mobil installation

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

Below is the info in the manual about Window-Eyes Mobile installation.
It can be found in the manual in the section called Installing Window-Eyes.
Expand that node and then arrow down to Window-Eyes Mobile.
Press F6 and you'll find the text I've pasted below.

Best of luck,

Rod

Window-Eyes Mobile
Window-Eyes offers the ability to be installed on a removable drive for easy 
portability. In order for Window-Eyes Mobile to function correctly, there are a 
few rules that must be followed: 

While Window-Eyes Video Support is not essential to run Window-Eyes Mobile, it 
is highly recommended for the best screen reading experience. 
If installed, the Window-Eyes Video Support version must match the Window-Eyes 
Mobile version. 
Administrator rights are required to install Window-Eyes Video Support. 
Window-Eyes Video Support will offer an uninstall option in the Add/Remove 
Programs control panel. Window-Eyes Mobile will not offer an uninstall option 
in the Add/Remove Programs control panel, as it is portable, and may not exist 
on the same machine where the installation was run. Window-Eyes Mobile is 
self-contained, and can be removed simply by deleting the Window-Eyes Mobile 
directory. 

Let us take a look at how Window-Eyes Mobile can allow you to take Window-Eyes 
on the go. Roger recently learned of a new research computer station at his 
local library, and was anxious to check it out. Rather than taking his DVD to 
the library and installing his own personal copy of Window-Eyes onto a public 
computer, Roger decided to use the Window-Eyes Mobile install so that he could 
keep all of his Window-Eyes settings on his personal USB pen drive. Before 
heading off to the library, Roger installed Window-Eyes Mobile onto his pen 
drive using the Window-Eyes Mobile install located under the Advanced Options 
in the initial Window-Eyes Setup Options dialog. After the Window-Eyes Mobile 
installation completed, Roger copied a simple Window-Eyes Video Support 
installation file from his Window-Eyes DVD-ROM (located in the wevideo folder 
on the root of his Window-Eyes DVD-ROM) to the root of his pen drive, knowing 
that while Window-Eyes Mobile would work without Window-Eyes Video Suppor
 t, having it already installed would provide him with the best screen reading 
experience. Roger could have also downloaded the Window-Eyes Video Support tool 
from http://www.gwmicro.com/support. Once Window-Eyes Mobile and the 
Window-Eyes Video Support tool were successfully copied onto Roger's pen drive, 
he headed off to the library. After obtaining Administration rights from the 
librarian, Roger ran the Window-Eyes Video Support tool that he copied to the 
root of his USB pen drive. Once the machine finished rebooting, the librarian 
set his permissions back to a normal user, and Roger launched Window-Eyes 
Mobile directly from his USB pen drive, and he was able to check out all of the 
new research material available on the new research computer. Roger has been 
able to return to that computer several times, always able to work with 
confidence, reassured that all of his Window-Eyes settings were securely stored 
on his personal pen drive, and that the new research computer would always
  be available with his own copy of Window-Eyes any time he needed it. He was 
also confident that if he needed access to any other public computer that did 
not already have the Window-Eyes Video Support installed, he could still run 
his copy of Window-Eyes Mobile to gain basic access to the machine. 

Although the Window-Eyes Mobile install provides you with an easy way to get a 
fresh copy of Window-Eyes installed onto a removable drive, you could also 
choose to copy an existing Window-Eyes installation instead. For example, if 
you have made several set file changes to your own copy of Window-Eyes and want 
to use those settings on your removable drive without having to start from 
scratch, simply copy your entire Window-Eyes directory along with the contents 
of %appdata%\GW Micro\Window-Eyes to your removable drive, and you can run it 
just like a copy of Window-Eyes Mobile. 

If you elect to use Window-Eyes Mobile, take note of the following 
restrictions: 

Only hosted Window-Eyes apps will function in a mobile environment. Externally 
hosted apps will not work. Do not worry if you are uncertain of what this means 
as, since nearly all Window-Eyes apps are internally hosted, this restriction 
will affect only a small number of users. Please consult the Window-Eyes app 
development documentation or contact Ai Squared for more details. 
If Window-Eyes Mobile is run outside of the computer's "Program Files" 
directory (which will very likely be the case), the Windows user account 
control (UAC) is enabled, and you are running as a standard user (without 
administrative priveleges), Window-Eyes will be unable to speak inside programs 
which run with elevated priveleges (such as the registry editor or even the 
user 

RE: WE and windows 10 upgrade

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Jim,

Only the absolutely final release of Window-Eyes 9.5.4 can be installed on 
Windows 10, since there were two releases of this version.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Jim Elsner via Talk
Sent: September 12, 2019 3:21 PM
To: Talk 
Cc: Jim Elsner 
Subject: WE and windows 10 upgrade

Members
Have a friend that up graded to windows 10 and is trying to get WE 9.51 working 
again.  He didn't uninstall we prayer to up grading.  Is this a problem and if 
so what can be  done to resolve?
Thanks
Jim

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RE: Having to turn browse mode off to type in TB

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Jim,

Sorry.
The older I get, people ask me a question about one thing, and I answer a 
question about something else. Smile
Quite some years ago, I converted all my saved email from TB to Outlook and 
never looked back.
This is because TB became hard to use in the way you describe.
Prior to that, I had the same experience with Windows Live Mail, prompting the 
move to TB.
I had believed strongly that email software should be free, and so I put up 
with the difficulties.
Now I choose to subscribe to Office 365, seeing now that you get what you pay 
for.
It is both easy to write, manage and back up my email in Outlook.
I am using Window-Eyes to write this very message.
Since Office 365 continually updates, it is true that, now and then, 
Window-Eyes has difficulty tracking some controls after some updates for 
Outlook.
However, eventually, things always seem to settle down, and, sometimes with a 
reinstall of a set file, Window-Eyes finds focus again and becomes usable with 
Outlook.
Please allow me to assure you that I am easily upset by software glitches, 
especially with something as crucial as email.
However, I believe that Outlook is a solid email client, and not just in 
Windows, since I use it on my Mac as well.
If you need any help transitioning to it, please don't hesitate to write.

Good luck in your struggles,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Jim Elsner via Talk
Sent: September 5, 2019 5:37 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Jim Elsner 
Subject: Re: Having to turn browse mode off to type in TB

Rod
I realize this as I am using an older version of Fire Fox.  My problem is with 
Thunderbird my E-mail client.  I had been using an earlier version of this as 
well however got several notices from my mail server telling me my mail  client 
was out of date and would be canceled.  Thus this was my reason for up grading 
Thunderbird.  Jaws 19 works with this newer version however I prefer WE.  Still 
looking for help.
Thanks.
Jim

On 9/4/2019 11:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Newer versions of Firefox are not fully accessible with Window-Eyes.
> If you wish to continue to use Window-Eyes to browse the web, your best 
> choice is Google Chrome.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Jim Elsner via Talk
> Sent: September 3, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: Talk 
> Cc: Jim Elsner 
> Subject: Having to turn browse mode off to type in TB
> 
> Members
> My system win 7 home premium we 7.54 and Thunderbird 68.02.
> I up graded my Thunderbird program yesterday and have the following problem.  
> When I try to write a new message or reply I must turn browse mode off to 
> type text and turn it back on to review what I have written.
>I find a Thunderbird write. set associated when I  open the write window.  
> How might I correct this nuisance?
> Regards
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RE: Having to turn browse mode off to type in TB

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Jim,

Newer versions of Firefox are not fully accessible with Window-Eyes.
If you wish to continue to use Window-Eyes to browse the web, your best choice 
is Google Chrome.

All the best,

Rod

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To: Talk 
Cc: Jim Elsner 
Subject: Having to turn browse mode off to type in TB

Members
My system win 7 home premium we 7.54 and Thunderbird 68.02.
I up graded my Thunderbird program yesterday and have the following problem.  
When I try to write a new message or reply I must turn browse mode off to type 
text and turn it back on to review what I have written. 
  I find a Thunderbird write. set associated when I  open the write window.  
How might I correct this nuisance?
Regards

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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Have you tried Google Chrome?
This is going to be the browser of the future, since even Microsoft's default 
browser, Chromium, will be based on it.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
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Sent: September 1, 2019 3:50 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?

I've found that many things require me to run firefox, which in seven won't 
work with window-eyes, must use n v d a.  On my xp box I can run an older 
firefox and run window-eyes.  Most things work o.k. there, but baseball m l b 
requires firefox in seven, they won't even let explorer work in seven.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

> Yes!  I would so much love for it to be revived and updated.  I'm not 
> sure if the problems I'm having with my computer have to do with 
> window eyes or something else.  I'm still using windows 7 and window 
> eyes, but I'm also using internet explorer.  I get a lot of blank spaces.  
> Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
> Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 10:59 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Subject: RE: Is there another jaws email list?
>
> Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT 
> ALWAYS ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.
>
> All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to 
> completely part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we 
> could.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

I haven't felt the need to spend any money on JFW, and so my screen readers for 
Windows are Window-Eyes, NVDA and Narrator.
One thing I have found is that Narrator is the best screen reader of the three 
for configuring settings within Windows 10 since the combination of scan mode 
on and off are both necessary to navigate and configure the settings screens.
As for configuring the OneDrive desktop app, which I really rely on for my 
online backups, this can only be done using Narrator.
Window-Eyes just crashes within OneDrive's settings.
Again, here is another example of Narrator working best for Windows settings 
and technical apps.
I think the reason why Window-Eyes crashes and Narrator doesn't is that Windows 
is being designed using web interfaces and Narrator seems to be at home with 
these and Window-Eyes struggles to load and speak them.
As for web work, using Firefox and Google Chrome, Window-Eyes is still good 
enough, along with NVDA, but only the latter rarely.
As for most other tasks, Window-Eyes still serves me well enough.
This includes all of Office, namely, Outlook, Word and Exel, and here I'm 
referring to the Office 365 versions of each.
I work a lot with Winamp, and occasionally Goldwave, as well as other smaller 
audio utilities for splitting, joining and tagging mp3s, and for these 
Window-Eyes is fine.
Interestingly, I use VMWare Workstation to run windows 7 and 10 virtual 
machines, and Window-Eyes has no problems speaking all the screens necessary 
for managing these, even allowing the use of the mouse pointer where the 
traditional dialog navigation is insufficient.
Of course, Narrator works here as well. Smile
Well, I guess I could go on and on.
Suffice to say that Narrator is a true workhorse necessary to manage Windows, 
but, in its present form, it may not be up to the challenge of tracking the 
specific controls for the apps we got used to using, like email software, where 
scripts were designed to aid productivity.
Script support is promised for Narrator in the near future, and we'll see what 
it offers down the road.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: August 30, 2019 12:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brenda 
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?

I would like to know what window eyes users think of narrator with windows 10. 
I know it is never going to replace window eyes but it sure seems pretty 
decent, and I’m liking it better than Jaws. Just wondering what other people 
think.
Brenda

Dictated and sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
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> I still use window-eyes and when I can't use n v d a.  There a few strange 
> things that show up with window-eyes that don't with n v d a. Still by far my 
> favorite.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
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> 
> 
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT 
>> ALWAYS ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.
>> 
>> All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to 
>> completely part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we 
>> could.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
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RE: short cut keys for turning the screen back to normal

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

You're most welcome.
After I sent my reply, I remembered the bit about the bypass key and kicked 
myself.
But then I thought, John is a smart one.  He'll remember, and I was proven 
correct. Smile

Peace and long life,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: August 21, 2019 11:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: RE: short cut keys for turning the screen back to normal

Hi Rod,

Thanks for the information. I've forwarded your email to him. I did remember 
and I had forgotten to do insert and b to bypass we before it worked.

I will talk him through the process of checking the box and that will prevent 
the problem reoccurring.

Live long and prosper, John
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+bjcolt=blueyonder.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: 21 August 2019 15:56
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: short cut keys for turning the screen back to normal

Hi John,

Ctrl-Alt-UpArrow should do the trick since it orients the screen upwards.
The best preventive measure is to uncheck the check box named Enable hot keys 
in the Intel Graphics accelerator entry in the system tray.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
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Sent: August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: short cut keys for turning the screen back to normal

Hi List,

 

A friend of mine somehow keeps turning the screen upside down. I know there are 
short cut keys to do the task of returning the screen to normal. Could anyone 
help please and post the short cut keys?

 

 

Live long and prosper, John 

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RE: short cut keys for turning the screen back to normal

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Ctrl-Alt-UpArrow should do the trick since it orients the screen upwards.
The best preventive measure is to uncheck the check box named Enable hot keys 
in the Intel Graphics accelerator entry in the system tray.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of bjcolt via Talk
Sent: August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: bjcolt 
Subject: short cut keys for turning the screen back to normal

Hi List,

 

A friend of mine somehow keeps turning the screen upside down. I know there are 
short cut keys to do the task of returning the screen to normal. Could anyone 
help please and post the short cut keys?

 

 

Live long and prosper, John 

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RE: Reading cells and fields in xl

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

First, press Escape several times to ensure that you are not editing a cell or 
are in any menu.
Then, arrow keys move you around the spreadsheet.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: August 11, 2019 6:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

By the way, how do you move from column to column?

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From: Moe Adl via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 7:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Moe Adl
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.

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>  I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to 
> read character and numbers individually.The files are protected and so 
> I can't use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor 
> across names and numbers?
>
>  With thanks in advance
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RE: Reading cells and fields in xl

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mike,

I don't work with Excel much, but I venture a guess that the space you read in 
the response was related to the fact that the person was dictating his response 
on his iPhone.
Therefore, what I'm saying is the space should be ignored. Smile

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Mike via Talk
Sent: August 11, 2019 4:12 AM
To: Moe Adl via Talk 
Cc: Mike 
Subject: Re: Reading cells and fields in xl

Hello


Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to work on my machine.  After pressing f6 
followed by space f2 I get the same message about protected mode.  Many thanks 
though for taking the time to reply.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 11/08/2019 00:42, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:
> Press F6 to take it out of protection mode. Then you can use Space F2.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
>>   I occasionally receive xl spread sheets that I need to be able to read 
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>> use f2.  Is there any way, using Window-eyes that I can cursor across names 
>> and numbers?
>>
>>   With thanks in advance
>>
>>Mike.
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