RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

There is a button that you can use to sign it

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Importance: High

can't seem to find any link or button to sign the petition.

Simon


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From: "Sky Mundell via Talk" 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy


> Hello David. I hate to break it to you, but I don’t think there is a way 
> to fix the problem.
> Speaking of W.E, I did a petition to Vispero to try to get it back, but it 
> probably won’t make a difference. Here it is.
> https://www.change.org/p/vispero-petition-to-get-the-window-eyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market-b135ee08-520d-4e6d-a4b4-1bd4cfad81ad
> Then, after I did the petition, I put the petition on the audio games.net 
> forum
> https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/47955/why-i-did-the-petition-to-get-the-windoweyes-screen-reader-back/
>
> https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/41363/petition-to-get-windoweyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market/
>> On Mar 21, 2023, at 9:51 AM, David Hoff Jr via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have the latest version of WE (9.5.4.0), install several years ago, on
>> Windows 7. About a week ago I started getting a notice at bootup that I
>> have an evaluation copy only and should contact  the I Square office.
>>
>> So far this is just an irritant, but I am concerned it may stop working
>> in the near future. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if so what
>> is the sollution?  Is it possibly a Microsoft Windows 7 update that is
>> causing the problem and if so which update?
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello David. I hate to break it to you, but I don’t think there is a way to fix 
the problem.
Speaking of W.E, I did a petition to Vispero to try to get it back, but it 
probably won’t make a difference. Here it is.
https://www.change.org/p/vispero-petition-to-get-the-window-eyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market-b135ee08-520d-4e6d-a4b4-1bd4cfad81ad
Then, after I did the petition, I put the petition on the audio games.net forum
https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/47955/why-i-did-the-petition-to-get-the-windoweyes-screen-reader-back/

https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/41363/petition-to-get-windoweyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market/
> On Mar 21, 2023, at 9:51 AM, David Hoff Jr via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the latest version of WE (9.5.4.0), install several years ago, on
> Windows 7. About a week ago I started getting a notice at bootup that I
> have an evaluation copy only and should contact  the I Square office.
> 
> So far this is just an irritant, but I am concerned it may stop working
> in the near future. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if so what
> is the sollution?  Is it possibly a Microsoft Windows 7 update that is
> causing the problem and if so which update?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> -- 
> 
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RE: JAWS Error Message

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

No I haven't experienced that error.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Terry Eagle via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 5:14 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Terry Eagle
Subject: JAWS Error Message

Hi, does anyone else  get an audible message that says, "JAWS touch input
error, restart JAWS".  And adds, if this continues contact Freedom
Scientific.

 

It prevents many keyboard commands being used.

 

It most often occurs upon computer start-up or restart.  I am using JAWS
2021.

 

Thank you.

 

Terry  



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RE: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Very Good Joseph! Love it! How did you get Window-Eyes 3.1 installed on
windows 3.1?

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Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:31 PM
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Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.

 

It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text Assist.

 

I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing demo
files.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1

 

Enjoy!

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RE: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

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OH OK are you using an old Windows 3.1 machine or is it a virtual machine?

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Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 4:54 PM
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Subject: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

Hi listers:

 

I just got Windows 3.1 running and installed Window-Eyes 3.1 with Text
Assist in DosBox using their SoundBlaster 16 emulation and it doesn't sound
too bad.

 

One thing I'm curious about, though is volume.

 

Every time I bring Windows up when WE is using Text Assist, the volume keeps
getting lower and lower, until one can hardly hear it.  You can't use
Window-Eyes's volume keystrokes to change it.  I might be able to get
CTMixer to do it, but, I'll need a little sighted help to see if the
keyboard can be used for this.  I think I can turn up the main volume and
it'll work correctly, but, I may have to do it every time.

 

Funny, though, if I use KeyNote gold MultiMedia, it doesn't do that.

 

Anyone remember a problem like this?

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RE: Microsoft Edge Personal

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's amazing! It still shows the power of the program.

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Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: July 9, 2020 6:43 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Microsoft Edge Personal

Hello,

 

With this latest update of Windows 10, I was very pleasantly surprised to
see that Edge is very much changed.  

 

I know this was coming but I didn't initiate the download to install the
most current version prior to this latest Windows Update.

 

I was amazed! To find that when I navigated to a site which causes IE to
kind of do a huge deep knees bend!

 

Edge brought up the site up and now we can navigate with what seems to be
the majority, if not all of the navigation keys that we'd typically use in
IE.

 

Window-Eyes isn't dead yet!  It performed awesomely!

 

I'm still using Window-Eyes for Office as well which isn't quite as
up-to-date as the last version.

 

 

 

 

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RE: Some browser keys not working

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Hello Tony. Can you explain to me what JAWS is not doing seenlessly?

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c via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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Subject: RE: Some browser keys not working

Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as seamlessly as 
WE did. And, FS sucks.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze the  very 
life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to 
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was 
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware 
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader 
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still 
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a 
> windows update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just 
> about finish of windoweyes.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: Mike via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working
>
> Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
> are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
> think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
> common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
> miracle, you might say.
>
>
> I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
> sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
> separately from the version presently on your system.
>
>
> Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
> it did .
>
> On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Larry
>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
>> Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>> On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
>>> might want  to just give this a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
>>> this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
>>> sure how often.
>>>
>>>
>>> What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
>>> offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
>>> 30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
>>> find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
>>> But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
>>> came alive.
>>>
>>>
>>> A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
>>> that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
>>> have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
>>> for this working as well as it did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

 Hello Everyone

 I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new
 machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

   I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys
 to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links,
 C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
 find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
 boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
 result.  My other machines are both working normally.

   Any suggestions would be appreciated

Mike

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RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Sadly. There isn't

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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:09 PM
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Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Is there a website that I can download a copy of the Window Eyes before it was 
discontinued?

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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello David. Yes the Window-Eyes for office deal did have the certification 
> fix. I think he is interested to see what Window-Eyes was like.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of David via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:33 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
> 
> Most definitely, it will be corrupted. The WinEyes distribution used to 
> take up most of a CDROM. Even this yesterday, I was tiding up my 
> computer, and came across the installation download for the screen 
> reader. It is actually more like 600MB, or just over half a Gigabyte.
> 
> 
> What I do wonder, is if the 83 bytes you downloaded, might be just the 
> link to some place on the net, holding an old demo version of the file. 
> If you tried to rename the download of yours, to something ending in 
> .txt, maybe you could open it and see if such is the case. My next 
> guess, and probably the most believable, is that the servers now have 
> been loaded with fake links. That is, they may have deleted the actual 
> files from the servers, and replaced it with some short goble. Seen that 
> happen before.
> 
> 
> True, GW Micro, the originator of the screen reader, used to offer a 
> 30minute demo version. In its basics, it used to be a fully functioning 
> version of the screen reader, which would have needed a purchased key to 
> unlock the time limitation. You could run it completely as normal, just 
> had to restart the computer every 30 minutes. As a matter of fact, that 
> is how I got in touch with WinEyes bak in the days.
> 
> 
> Now, you say you got your download from the "place where they offered 
> it". I just wonder if you then mean, from the original WinEyes homepage, 
> or was it from the WinEyes For Office website. WinEyes for Office was a 
> cooperation between GW Micro, and Microsoft - and has been discontinued 
> for the last couple of years. Likely, if you try downloading that 
> version, you will find little help. To what extend there will be any 
> demo left on the original homepage of the screen reader, I am not aware. 
> After all, why would they, since the screen reader was discontinued back 
> in 2017. Of course, you might search the net for something like:
> 
> Window-Eyes download Demo
> 
> and see if someone would happen to have something lingering on their 
> server. Or, maybe some listers will happen to have some demo hanging 
> around. But due to the fact you are running Win10, it will have to be 
> one of the latest version, otherwise it will not work. Besides, just 
> prior to discontinuing the whole product, they released an update that 
> took care of some certification issue with newer flavors of the Operativ 
> System. So really not sure an old demo will even run on computers now 
> aday. And I do not know if they ever released any demo with the new 
> certificate, since the product practically already was out of business. 
> Did the WinEyes for Office come with the new certificate? Question for 
> those of you who ran that version.
> 
> 
> Sorry I could not help you, but at least that is something to chew on. 
> Hope others might have something hanging around on their hard drive, 
> that could give you a try-go with the screen reader. Do you mind me 
> asking, why would you like to test the screen reader? Id there anything 
> in particular you are looking for?
> 
> 
> David
> 
>> On 2/25/2020 12:01 AM, Armando Vias via Talk wrote:
>> I got it from the website. It was the website that you usually get the 
>> window eyes software. I would like to try it out.
>> 
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RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello David. Yes the Window-Eyes for office deal did have the certification 
fix. I think he is interested to see what Window-Eyes was like.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Most definitely, it will be corrupted. The WinEyes distribution used to 
take up most of a CDROM. Even this yesterday, I was tiding up my 
computer, and came across the installation download for the screen 
reader. It is actually more like 600MB, or just over half a Gigabyte.


What I do wonder, is if the 83 bytes you downloaded, might be just the 
link to some place on the net, holding an old demo version of the file. 
If you tried to rename the download of yours, to something ending in 
.txt, maybe you could open it and see if such is the case. My next 
guess, and probably the most believable, is that the servers now have 
been loaded with fake links. That is, they may have deleted the actual 
files from the servers, and replaced it with some short goble. Seen that 
happen before.


True, GW Micro, the originator of the screen reader, used to offer a 
30minute demo version. In its basics, it used to be a fully functioning 
version of the screen reader, which would have needed a purchased key to 
unlock the time limitation. You could run it completely as normal, just 
had to restart the computer every 30 minutes. As a matter of fact, that 
is how I got in touch with WinEyes bak in the days.


Now, you say you got your download from the "place where they offered 
it". I just wonder if you then mean, from the original WinEyes homepage, 
or was it from the WinEyes For Office website. WinEyes for Office was a 
cooperation between GW Micro, and Microsoft - and has been discontinued 
for the last couple of years. Likely, if you try downloading that 
version, you will find little help. To what extend there will be any 
demo left on the original homepage of the screen reader, I am not aware. 
After all, why would they, since the screen reader was discontinued back 
in 2017. Of course, you might search the net for something like:

 Window-Eyes download Demo

and see if someone would happen to have something lingering on their 
server. Or, maybe some listers will happen to have some demo hanging 
around. But due to the fact you are running Win10, it will have to be 
one of the latest version, otherwise it will not work. Besides, just 
prior to discontinuing the whole product, they released an update that 
took care of some certification issue with newer flavors of the Operativ 
System. So really not sure an old demo will even run on computers now 
aday. And I do not know if they ever released any demo with the new 
certificate, since the product practically already was out of business. 
Did the WinEyes for Office come with the new certificate? Question for 
those of you who ran that version.


Sorry I could not help you, but at least that is something to chew on. 
Hope others might have something hanging around on their hard drive, 
that could give you a try-go with the screen reader. Do you mind me 
asking, why would you like to test the screen reader? Id there anything 
in particular you are looking for?


David

On 2/25/2020 12:01 AM, Armando Vias via Talk wrote:
> I got it from the website. It was the website that you usually get the window 
> eyes software. I would like to try it out.
>
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> “Getting advocacy results for the blind.”
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Whatever it is, it must be corrupted, because it would have to be more than 
>> 83 bytes.  Where did you get it from, now that there is no more window eyes? 
>> Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Armando Vias via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Cc: Armando Vias
>> Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
>>
>> Hey all.
>>
>> This is my first post.
>>
>> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it is 
>> 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is corrupted. I 
>> am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?
>>
>> Armando
>>
>>
>> —
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>> Owner of The Blind Advocate Network
>> Website: https://theblindadvocate.net
>> Phone: (404) 4803436
>> Email: av...@theblindadvocate.net
>> Like my page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theblindadvocatenetwork
>> Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/theblndadvn
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>> 

RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared.

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Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom Scientific 
purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes.
Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former 
user.- Original Message - 
From: "Armando Vias via Talk" 
To: 
Cc: "Armando Vias" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes


> Hey all.
>
> This is my first post.
>
> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it 
> is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is 
> corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?
>
> Armando
>
>
> —
> Armando Vias
> Owner of The Blind Advocate Network
> Website: https://theblindadvocate.net
> Phone: (404) 4803436
> Email: av...@theblindadvocate.net
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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's true they have indeed hired lots of the folks from GW Micro to make it 
better.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?

I am liking it. It has much improved. Microsoft has hired some of the people 
from GWMicro who now are working in accessibility.
- Original Message - 
From: "Brenda via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Brenda" 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?


>I would like to know what window eyes users think of narrator with windows 
>10. I know it is never going to replace window eyes but it sure seems 
>pretty decent, and I’m liking it better than Jaws. Just wondering what 
>other people think.
> Brenda
>
> Dictated and sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I still use window-eyes and when I can't use n v d a.  There a few 
>> strange things that show up with window-eyes that don't with n v d a. 
>> Still by far my favorite.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT 
>>> ALWAYS
>>> ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.
>>>
>>> All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to 
>>> completely
>>> part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
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RE: window-eyes in safe mode

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Butch. NVDA works in Safemode too. What WE is doing is it has
installed a reg file that works in safe mode that works with all screen
readers. I'm not sure where you can get this registry file but if you google
it you should be able to find it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 8:30 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Thanks, that did the trick.  Once in safe mode, I deleted the avast 
folder.  I also ran msconfig and unchecked it in the startup tab.  Once 
back in normal windows, be sure you tell msconfig to start in normal 
mode, I went to add remove prograams.  Avast was still listed, but when 
I tried to uninstall it, it failed of course and asked me if I wanted it 
removed from the list.  Sure glad we works in safe mode.  Thanks again 
for everyone's help.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:

> what windows version?
> first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up

> once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the
drop 
> down menu and check run in safe mode.
>
> if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and
press 
> enter. there is no speech for these menus.
> windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the
windows 
> settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to
go 
> back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Butch Bussen
> Subject: window-eyes in safe mode
>
> I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
> avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
> a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
> or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Does he still make his living at the studio?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:43 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Hmm. I thought I had a link to his site. But I haven't been there in 
ages and couldn't find it. We mainly talked on and off a mailing list. 
Sorry about that.
But yes, he made his living at the studio.

On 7/7/2019 10:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Nice! Is their a website where I can go and look up his studio? And does he 
> make a living as a recording engineer?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:12 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
> 
> Hey Sky,
> 
> Slau is indeed the man at the B Flat recording studio. I met him
> probably twenty-some years ago.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2019 9:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA 
>> Slau?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM
>> To: David via Talk
>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
>>
>> No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a
>> lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader
>> for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron
>> Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume
>> they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift.
>>
>> The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years
>> he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done
>> under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella
>> took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has
>> been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and
>> incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been
>> an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such
>> as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment.
>>
>> Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some
>> (blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference
>> between getting it and not getting it.
>>
>> Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And
>> the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner.
>> I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is
>> running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the
>> average user.
>>
>> So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us.
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful.
>>> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so
>>> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to
>>> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple.
>>> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these
>>> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a
>>> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are
>>> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities.
>>> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS,
>>> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we
>>> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much
>>> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you
>>> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but
>>> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single
>>> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have
>>> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped
>>

RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA Slau?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a 
lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader 
for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron 
Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume 
they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift.

The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years 
he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done 
under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella 
took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has 
been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and 
incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been 
an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such 
as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment.

Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some 
(blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference 
between getting it and not getting it.

Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And 
the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway.

I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner. 
I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is 
running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the 
average user.

So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us.


On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote:
> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful.
> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so
> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to
> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple.
> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these
> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a
> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are
> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities.
> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of
> them.
> 
> 
> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS,
> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we
> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much
> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you
> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but
> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single
> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have
> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped
> with it for the next 5 or 10 years.
> 
> 
> My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow
> working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much
> more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95
> a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic
> scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month.
> 
> 
> I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to
> see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years.
> Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot.
> And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer,
> which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence,
> whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet,
> will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well
> as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen
> readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and
> Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by
> Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this,
> why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they
> doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not
> the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple
> has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected
> them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think
> MS will be doing different?
> 
> 
> Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just
> meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it
> is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price,
> 

RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh yes. I defenatly have.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

That's true but have you also seen the home annual license?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 2:28 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Well, they defenatly are putting their prices up high

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

 You said that JAWS is on the way out because there is nothing in it that 
interests you.  Are you speaking that it is on the way out of the market?  
Unless Narrator or NVDA releases something huge of the next few updates  I 
don't think that JAWS is on the way out.
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 12:23 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Yup. Totally agree with you. It was painful indeed and your right we can't 
change the fast but we can hope for the future. Even JAWS is on the way out 
because it too is a legacy product and there is nothing new or interesting in 
it that interests me.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 8:39 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought them 
years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. Maybe GW 
micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program to Microsoft.

The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a good 
thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and maybe even 
better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will have to pay 
extra for it.

We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish we had 
the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) 


Brenda





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> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; 
> Microsoft should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.
> If it had, it would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years 
> ago and would not need to reinvent the wheels.
> 
> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, 
> I'm sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping 
> Microsoft to do the right thing!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yup. Totally agree with you. It was painful indeed and your right we can't 
change the fast but we can hope for the future. Even JAWS is on the way out 
because it too is a legacy product and there is nothing new or interesting in 
it that interests me.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 8:39 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought them 
years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. Maybe GW 
micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program to Microsoft.

The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a good 
thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and maybe even 
better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will have to pay 
extra for it.

We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish we had 
the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) 


Brenda





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> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>  wrote:
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> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft
> should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  If it had, it
> would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not need
> to reinvent the wheels.
> 
> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, I'm
> sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft
> to do the right thing!
> 
> Sincerely,
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> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh yes. Your right about that. Microsoft should have bought Window-Eyes then
none of the mergers would have happened, Window-Eyes would have been the top
screen reader in the world, JAWS would have dropped considerably, and we
wouldn't have been in this situation with Vispero discontinuing it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 6:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft
should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  If it had, it
would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not need
to reinvent the wheels.

I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, I'm
sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft
to do the right thing!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yup. Although MS didn't buy WE to put into the OS, it got the GW Micro 
employees.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 5:25 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Glad to see Jeremy is with Microsoft, I think Doug is there to somewhere. 
Narrator keeps getting better and better, it may not be window eyes but it sure 
has that feel to it.
Brenda

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> 
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RE: good deal on open book

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It's still on Open Book version 9. They haven't updated Open Book in years!

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:50 AM
To: BK via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: good deal on open book

Curious what version?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


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> If any one is interested, FS, is now selling open book for $125, it's a
> special sale or something. I bought a copy last week. Oh, and you have
> to download it. They don't send you a disk.
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RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Sadly that is true. Fortunately there is no chance Vispero can do that with 
NVDA because NVDA is an open source project so if the developers of that 
project stop development, folks can pick up where the developers left off.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:14 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

I agree, Pam. What a waste. But that's how it works in business. Look at 
the big boys: Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon. They spend hundreds 
of millions every year just buying anything that may be the faintest 
competition so they can throw it away, or, on the rare occasion, 
incorporate it into their lineup.

Regards,
Tom


On 6/29/2019 11:17 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> That's a shame, too, because I think window eyes is the best of them 
> all. Pam.
> 
> -Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:49 PM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Sky Mundell
> Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> 
> Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the 
> public so
> others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
> left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> 
> Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
> give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to 
> live.
> I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
> threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
> Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
> Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
> enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
> with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
> technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
> why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!
> 
> 
> Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
> enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this 
> coming!
> But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
> pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
> deepest sea!
> 
> No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
> divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
> Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
> won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.
> 
> I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for 
> me.
> Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
> touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty 
> sure
> I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
> 8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
> intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
> to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
> so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.
> 
> If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
> minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
> Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
> serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
> Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
> impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!
> 
> Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the public so
others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to live.
I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!


Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this coming!
But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
deepest sea!  

No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.  

I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for me.
Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty sure
I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.  

If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!  

Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's right Tom. Your right. So FS has locked the code up now

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:32 AM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Sky,
What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the front 
runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of work to 
integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from the 
magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered a 
pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. But 
the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will never 
see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the way 
the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS program is 
just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on scripts for 
every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; scripts are a 
convenient method to tweak things.
Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If it 
gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive.
I
> was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
> the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
> code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If
so
> then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
the
> whole code. Something to think about.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
> To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
> 
> Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
>>
>> thank you for this.
>>
>> Curtis Delzer
>> HS
>> W B 6 H E F
>> Rialto, CA
>>
>> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
>>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're
>>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>>> Here's the download link.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>>> Regards,
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also Jeremy Curry is there as well. Your right JAWS does run on its scripts to 
work. While there is and will be a need for scripting, scripting doesn't work 
on everything in JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Butch Bussen via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Hi Butch,
It's Doug and Jeff Bishop.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 10:31 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> Write privately if you want. e-mail is
> but...@shellworld.net
> or
> but...@fairpoint.net
> 
> I know one of those people, curious who the second might be.  Thanks.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> 
>> Sky,
>> What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the 
>> front runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of 
>> work to integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from 
>> the magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered 
>> a pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. 
>> But the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
>> So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will 
>> never see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
>> Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the 
>> way the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS 
>> program is just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on 
>> scripts for every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; 
>> scripts are a convenient method to tweak things.
>> Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
>> Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If 
>> it gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>  Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes 
>>> alive.
>>>  I
>>>  was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it 
>>> had been
>>>  the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual 
>>> source
>>>  code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source 
>>> code? If
>>>  so
>>>  then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
>>>  the
>>>  whole code. Something to think about.
>>>  -Original Message-
>>>  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>  Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
>>>  To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
>>>  Cc: Tom Kingston
>>>  Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
>>>
>>>  Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
>>>  Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>>> >  nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
>>> > >  thank you for this.
>>> > >  Curtis Delzer
>>> >  HS
>>> >  W B 6 H E F
>>> >  Rialto, CA
>>> > >  On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> > >  In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
>>> > >  announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. 
>>> They're
>>> > >  on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>>> > >  Here's the download link.
>>> > >  https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>>> > >  Regards,
>>> > >  Tom
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Tom. Great points you bought up. However, something has puzzled me. I
have a friend who uses the JAWS version of Zoom text Fusion and I looked at
the contents of her CD and Window-Eyes is defenatly on the Zoomtext Fusion
for JAWS CD.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:32 AM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Sky,
What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the front 
runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of work to 
integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from the 
magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered a 
pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. But 
the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will never 
see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the way 
the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS program is 
just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on scripts for 
every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; scripts are a 
convenient method to tweak things.
Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If it 
gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive.
I
> was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
> the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
> code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If
so
> then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
the
> whole code. Something to think about.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
> To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
> 
> Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
>>
>> thank you for this.
>>
>> Curtis Delzer
>> HS
>> W B 6 H E F
>> Rialto, CA
>>
>> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
>>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're
>>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>>> Here's the download link.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive. I
was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If so
then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have the
whole code. Something to think about.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
Tom


On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
> 
> thank you for this.
> 
> Curtis Delzer
> HS
> W B 6 H E F
> Rialto, CA
> 
> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the 
>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're 
>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>> Here's the download link.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>> Regards,
>> Tom
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RE: Weather or not issue

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

NVDA does have a version of Eloquence that you can buy from Code factory. I am 
using the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 12:12 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

Thanks Lloyd, however, I am  just a real devotee of my Eloquence Reed voice.



On 2/3/2019 1:11 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> If you are using Windows 10, you can use NVDA with the new OneCore 
> voices from Microsoft. Not quite as responsive as ESpeak, but the 
> David desktop or mobile voice is not bad, in my opinion.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:39 AM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue
>
> Sure looks like I might be quickly approaching that point. I still need
> to purchase a license for Eloquence, then I might really begin to tackle
> it. Right now, I am able to read my Bookshare books quite well with IE
> and WE to my satisfaction, so guess not in the biggest hurry, but I'm
> beginning to feel the heat .
>
> On 2/3/2019 7:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> If you're open to using NVDA, there is a similar add-on for it called 
>> Weather Plus.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>>  On Behalf 
>> Of Larry Higgins via Talk
>> Sent: February 3, 2019 8:30 AM
>> To: Loy Green via Talk 
>> Cc: Larry Higgins 
>> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue
>>
>> That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no
>> longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess
>> this is only the beginning .
>>
>> On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>>> I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have 
>>> previously entered still work.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Larry Higgins
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
>>> Subject: Weather or not issue
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a 
>>> solution for
>>> my problem, but here goes anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to 
>>> my list
>>> of weather conditions around the country, but when either 
>>> entering the
>>> city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying 
>>> something
>>> along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that 
>>> nature.
>>> It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get 
>>> the same
>>> error message.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
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RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I agree with that statement. I have chosen to go forward with NVDA, pluss JFW 
for CakeTalking access with Sonar, although when I get the production computer 
upgraded to windows 10, it will be NVDA and Narrator, and Reaper for the reason 
that you will have to keep your screen reader current going forward or lose out.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:45 PM
To: Jim via Talk
Cc: Bernie Perella
Subject: Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

Hi Jim,  I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after 
purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for 
something else.  Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with 
Windows 1809.  I am still using it because I still am using a couple of 
programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them.  for 
example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would 
port it to another platform but don't think that will happen.  I have 
found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike 
We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc.  At this point I am in 
process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather 
well.  I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto 
older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them 
that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move 
forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of 
Windows and IE is going by the by.  So, while one still has a working 
system, one could begin to think about and start making the change.  
while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they 
should do.  Take care and have a happy new years.  Bernie

On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there Bernie!
>
> Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
> looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't 
> shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a 
> good reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will 
> probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense 
> worth! Have A Good 1! de
>
> On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
>> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
>> network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
>> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
>> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
>> considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
>> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
>> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
>> screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
>> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
>> system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
>> Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
>> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
>> know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
>> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
>> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
>> Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
>> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was
>> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
>> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually,
>> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
>> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
>> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
>> on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
>> questions, let me know.  Bernie
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>>>
>>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
>>> off-topic.
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>> r...@ringwald.com
>>>
>>>
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RE: JAWS question

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You have to create your own hot key for JAWS. JAWS doesn't come up with an 
automatic hot key like Window-Eyes did.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Norene Trappa via Talk
Cc: Jim
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hi there!

When I unload Jaws and wish to restart it, I simply press the 'windows 
key' or the 'CTRL-Escape' and type the word Jaws and press enter.  This 
will restart the program for you.  I do not have enough experience with 
Jaws to know whether or not there is some sort of hot key you can 
press.  Hope this helps and Good Luck! de

.

On 02-Dec-18 15:08, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
> Hello again!   Another question.
> If insert-f4 unloads Jaws so there is no voice, how can I get the 
> voice to speak again?  In W-E it was so easy to bring the voice back.  
> Thanks in advance for help.
>
> Norene
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS 
> key is
> the Insert key.
> A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
> Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
> action.
> Insert-T: Read title bar.
> Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
> Window-Eyes.
> Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
> Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
> Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
> Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
> Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
> Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
> The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
> six-pack that are to the left of it.
> Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
> transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
> the
> current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
> interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you 
> will be
> productive.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Norene Trappa
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> Hello!
>
> Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
> question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
> is.
> Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It was
> necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
> reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. Quite a
> challenge.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Norene Trappa
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: John Covici
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
> if memory serves.
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
> Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Yes, that is possible.
>>
>> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
>> %appdata%
>> Here you find a folder freedom scientific
>> In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
>> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
>> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
>> folder to the same location on the other computer.
>> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
>> jaws will not lock files.
>>
>> Regards, Marten
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
>> another?
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RE: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Drew. I meant undefined. That's what I meant. Change the tab, etc to 
something else. That is what I meant.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of clark drew via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 10:20 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: clark drew
Subject: Re: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

Hi,

define the hotkeys? sorry i did not quite understand here, do you mean i 
need to define the hotkeys for letter a, b, c etc? or define the braille 
keys, previously tab is dot 5 with focus so change it to something else 
with space, and leave the dots undefine?

but before this how do people using other braille displays enter text 
then, ignore fs focus blue braille display for a while since i know that 
the driver is not updated because of something in the communication 
between the two competators.



على ٢٨/٠٢/٤٠ ‫٠٨:٠٩ ص، كتب Sky Mundell via Talk:
> Hello Drew. Before the merger with VFO, AI was going to have completely
> rewritten braille support for Window-Eyes. They truly were before they were
> bought out. Sadly, the only way to get around this is to redefine the hot
> keys.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Drew Clark
> Subject: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes
>
> hi,
> i am using freedom scientific focus 14 blue braille display with
> window eyes  latest, on windows 10. different from another screen
> reader where the keystrokes for performing functions normally deals
> with dot or dots plus spacebar, the window eyes keystroke is different
> in braille, at least what i see here when using focus. for example,
> the dot 5 will perform the tab key, dot 2 for shift tab, dot 1 for
> mouse top left etc. so question is, how do i enter text using braille?
> do i need to enable a certain mode or something? if yes what is it?
> maybe the hotkey is undefine?
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RE: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Drew. Before the merger with VFO, AI was going to have completely
rewritten braille support for Window-Eyes. They truly were before they were
bought out. Sadly, the only way to get around this is to redefine the hot
keys.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 9:01 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

hi,
i am using freedom scientific focus 14 blue braille display with
window eyes  latest, on windows 10. different from another screen
reader where the keystrokes for performing functions normally deals
with dot or dots plus spacebar, the window eyes keystroke is different
in braille, at least what i see here when using focus. for example,
the dot 5 will perform the tab key, dot 2 for shift tab, dot 1 for
mouse top left etc. so question is, how do i enter text using braille?
do i need to enable a certain mode or something? if yes what is it?
maybe the hotkey is undefine?
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RE: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Drew. I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but
Window-Eyes is no longer in production. It was acquired by VFO who also has
JAWS as well. JAWS is the one VFO is concentrating their development on.
Why not give NVDA a try if you don't want to use JAWS. Thanks, Sky.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:17 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

Hi,
i am decided to use window eyes in arabic, unfortunately there is no
demo for that on the gw window eyes demo page,
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/demo/
if i download it from here i will get english copy of window eyes.
if i use the window eyes for office, i can download the window eyes in
arabic, but after installing it, the synthesizers cannot read arabic.
it came with espeak, witch does not have arabic support, and my sapi
synthesizer here on my windows 10 dont speak arabic either!
any solution for this?
i want to use window eyes!
thanks
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RE: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You got that one right Larry. Window-Eyes Is unfortunately, truly, dead,
never to return to life again.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 11:06 AM
To: rgarrett5--- via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

You continue to receive these messages simply because WE is no longer in 
production. Our beloved WE will never be updated or upgraded again, and 
that also goes for apps. As they say in the business, WE is at the end 
of life, meaning that is dead, never to rise again. That's it!


On 10/8/2018 7:38 AM, rgarrett5--- via Talk wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> When ever I attempt to update Aps in WE, I get a message that update
failed.
> Using Windows 10 and the latest version of WE.  Also, using Office 2016
and
> I get some funky behavior on occasion.  Any input appreciated.  Bob
Garrett
>
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> 1. Considering Voice over (Manny Gee)
> 2. Re: Considering Voice over (Tony C)
> 3. Re: Considering Voice over (Rod Hutton)
> 4. Re: ChromeBook Accessibility (Rod Hutton)
> 5. Re: Considering Voice over (George Savory)
> 6. Re: Considering VoiceOver (geo...@optonline.net)
> 7. Re: Considering VoiceOver (Butch Bussen)
> 8. RE: Considering VoiceOver (Amanda Lee)
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> --
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:55:19 +
> From: Manny Gee 
> To: "talk@lists.window-eyes.com" 
> Subject: Considering Voice over
> Message-ID:
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>
> Aloha to all,
>
> I too am in the same boat.
>
> I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over
to
> Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the
voice-over.
>
> I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
>
> I have a jaws question.
>
> Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
>
> Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
>
> Good luck to all,
>
> Manny
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:32:40 -0500
> From: "Tony C" 
> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: Considering Voice over
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>
> Hi, II  have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands
and
> 35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Manny Gee via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Manny Gee
> Subject: Considering Voice over
>
> Aloha to all,
>
> I too am in the same boat.
>
> I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over
to
> Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the
voice-over.
>
> I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
>
> I have a jaws question.
>
> Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
>
> Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
>
> Good luck to all,
>
> Manny
>
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> Actually, that is a little bit of a misconception.
> If you buy the apple magic keyboard with numeric keypad, there are a lot
of
> dedicated navigation keys.
> Also, you can do quite a bit with control option and the 

RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. I would agree, except for now, VFO has the source code for it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

Doug a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft?  Wow, how I wish he had gone
over to Google!  Surely, he could help make Talkback another knock out!  I
look forward to the day when, somehow, Window-Eyes can become another TTS of
choice on the Android platform.  You know, Window-Eyes for Android?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Considering VoiceOver

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You could also try NVDA from nvda-project.org

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Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an
upgrade
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RE: JAWS question

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That might be the case on windows 10 but I don't think it will become
unusable on windows 7.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bryan Peterson
Subject: RE: JAWS question

Well sooner or later, sad as it is, WE is going to be made completely
unusable by some new update to Windows.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:13 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Did you really have to give it up?  I mean, did it stop working for you?  I 
know there is no more support, and no more versions, but most of us can 
still use it until it stops working for us.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
> %appdata%
> Here you find a folder freedom scientific
> In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
> folder to the same location on the other computer.
> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
> jaws will not lock files.
>
> Regards, Marten
>
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
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RE: What's Doug up to?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Odd. I tried it and I could get Doug.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:55 PM
To: Butch Bussen via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: What's Doug up to?

I tried alt left arrow and it just takes me to the beginning of the talk 
I'm on.  I tried the next link several times and never did find Doug.
On 
Sun, 13 May 2018, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

> Same here.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Sun, 13 May 2018, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>
>>  I didn't hear Doug during the first 15 minutes. This was a Microsoft
>>  demonstration from their Buidld conference. Did I not listen far enough
or
>>  did my YouTube player go to the wrong place?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>  -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>  Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: Rod Hutton
>>  Subject: What's Doug up to?
>>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>
>>  I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar
for
>>  software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:
>>
>>  http://bit.ly/2rHOahI
>>
>>  Enjoy,
>>
>>  Rod
>>
>>  Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: `news about jws

If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" on 
screen reader users.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Lynn,

My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same price as
now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office.

I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this way
about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
treated the way we are.

I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
more.

Live long and prosper, John



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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Actually some VR agencies did provide Window-Eyes. For instants, here is a
post from the NVDA mailing list, by a lady. Here is what she has to say on
the subject.





From: n...@nvda.groups.io [mailto:n...@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally
Kiebdaj
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 5:44 AM
To: n...@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word
Out About NVDA

Whole-heartedly agree here! I was raised in Indiana which is probably the
only reason I was offered Window-Eyes by my Voc Rehab office. Many others I
met out of state a guide dog school and college had never heard of
Window-Eyes let alone been given the chance to test it before being provided
JAWS. In the case that they had heard of it, they assumed it was incomplete
or inferior because it had never been recommended or offered to them. 

Too often, the able-bodied powers that be --for a variety of reasons
including lack of interest or bandwidth-- learn 1 version of adaptive
technology for a given disability and recommend only that one for ever
after. Even if their job is to advise or help those new to the disability,
they do not take the time to research and present all options. Government
funding and contracts may be a large part of this but so is ignorance. I
worked for a few years at a prominent eye hospital that had a rehab
department and no one in the building knew about window-eyes or that android
devices were used by the blind. In this case, I know that there were no
contracts or government funding--- only the common mental shorthand of
stereotyping the outgroup. Because they ad seen more than one blind person
with an iPhone or had heard of JAWS, clearly all people used iPhones and
JAWS because that was all they had. Funnily enough they didn't even realize
that VoiceOver existed on Mac OSX since the JAWS stereotype predated iOS.

I am grateful for the choice I had early on and the fact that I knew that
the most common option wasn't the only and wasn't necessarily the best for
me. In my case and at that time, my simultaneous use of ZoomText made
Window-Eyes a much better option. 

Cheers,
Sally 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Absolutely.  The clients should have been given the right to choose what
they could get.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: `news about jws

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been
so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay
much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows
365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for
life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for
years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise
of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the
up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this

  

RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely.  The clients should have been given the right to choose what
they could get.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: `news about jws

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been
so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay
much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows
365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for
life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for
years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise
of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the
up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this

  > way
  > about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would
agree
  > with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
  > treated the way we are.
  > 
  > I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for
the
  > disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I
have a
  > copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
  > more.
  > 
  > Live long and prosper, John
  > 
  > 
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Me too.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:36 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

That could be as you say.  I appreciate everything you have said, 
especially the spirit involved.


I hope that nobody sees my comments as being anti Window-Eyes.  I used 
Window-Eyes since the days of Windows 95 all the way up to the demise of 
GW Micro.  I, too, wish that they could have survived.


On 4/28/2018 12:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think 
> the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
> education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was 
> one of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running 
> out of money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the 
> lawsuit that FS filed contributed to this..
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of lynn white via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Cc: lynn white
> Subject: Re: `news about jws
>
> I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
> that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
> but in smaller bites.
>
>
> It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
> Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
> the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
>
>
> Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
> running out of money.
>
>
> On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
>> become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of 
>> the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
>> interesting how it is going to work?
>>
>> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
>> sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
>>
>> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
>>
>> Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think the 
problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished 
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money 
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When 
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach 
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were 
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
> become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of 
> the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
> interesting how it is going to work?
>
> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
> sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
>
> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
>
> Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The authorisation system will be a subscription baste.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 12:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.

Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
nonsense.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: Windows 10 build 1803

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right. I went to it specifically to get msn messenger 7.0 support
whereas JAWS would not work with msn messenger 7.0 until version 7 of JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:00 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803

Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time!  I'm still
sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed.  When it was
alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark
did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles
kicked in.  

For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers
deserve more credit than I can truly give them!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Musings and touching base

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Rod. Totally agree with you. VFO will fail in the end.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Musings and touching base

Hi Brenda,

Great to hear from you, and, as John said, I care too.
Personally, I am using Window-Eyes on my Windows 7 machine too, and will not
ever use Jaws.
I just don't like that company.
I recently bought a Mac and so have an alternative for surfing the web when
Windows 7 becomes unsupported, which will be in 2020.
Even then, though, since my Windows 7 runs in a virtual machine, I wil use
it forever, with Window-Eyes.
I also use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone 7 and my iPod 6th generation,
and these are as good as a tablet like the iPad.
As for security and the ability to surf the web and do email, then, I think
I'm covered.
I am in the Apple world, and I can still use Windows, but what I'm saying is
that I'm not restricted to Windows in order to keep up to date.
I believe that not upgrading Window-Eyes was a major blunder in the
blindness world.
Hope this helps, and, again, great to hear from you.

Take care,

Rod Hutton

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Musings and touching base

Hello Lists,

I was cleaning out my emails and ran across a bunch from GW-Micro staff 
and various list posts. Made me feel kinda sad.  It's been around a year 
since our beloved Window-eyes went the way of DOS and Word perfect. I 
still have my win7 machine but use the replacement provided by the 
conquerer because I need to get used to using it. Actually, I don't even 
get on the computer much. I'm  using FF 52.?? and am hoping Mozilla 
makes FF 57 and beyond accessible again. I usually use my phone and am 
considering getting a tablet with a keyboard but wonder how safe they 
are from  viruses.

Anyway, I read a lot of the posts on these two lists and wanted to let 
you all know I'm still around, not that you really care, and that I 
still miss Window-Eyes and the wonderful staff at GW-Micro. Still wonder 
where they all went and hoping the best for them and all of you listers.

Brenda
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RE: screen reader compatibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I agree with you.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Singing Sparrow
Subject: Re: screen reader compatibility

This is going to be not that good for window eyes users. I am seeing the 
following, that window eyes will reboot your computer if you try and turn it on 
so something is going on witht he video intercept that is causing this I am 
thinking what does everyone else think?


On 3/29/2018 9:49 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>
>  I copied this from another list.Hi everyone, Below is an update on 
> screen reader compatibility notice and a schedule of events regarding 
> Version 1803:
> A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible 
> screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice replaces 
> the preliminary one and should be considered official compatibility 
> notice from this forum cluster:
> Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader 
> supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to 
> install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known 
> compatible screen readers:
> • Narrator : yes.
> • NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
> • JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
> • ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
> • Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators
> Update) or later (except Window-Eyes).
> Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen reader 
> from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
> Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule of 
> events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
> • Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build will 
> be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the entire 
> forum cluster will enter Version 1803 era.
> • Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
> • April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical 
> standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the
> Win10 forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade reports 
> and impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft staff and 
> screen reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator privileges so 
> they can pass on critical information for screen reader users (please 
> show them respect during that time).
> • Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version
> 1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for both
> 1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
> • June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens earlier: 
> cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The next KB alert 
> for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer support.
> • December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
> • October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
> The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 1803 
> will hit the air.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
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RE: NVDA Users' List

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. Yes there is an NVDA list. I don't have t he address off the top of
my head, but if you do a google search you should be able to find it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 3:56 PM
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Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: NVDA Users' List

hello everyone,
Is there an email list for NVDA users similar to this list? I have begun
learning/using NVDA after my copy of WE went into demo mode after upgrading
to W10 and a delay in getting it reregistered through VFO Group.
Thanks,
Janet 
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RE: ctrl key in nvda

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Unfortunately there is no way you can do that in NVDA.

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Subject: ctrl key in nvda

does anyone know how to make the ctrl key in nvda say control? 

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RE: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely and I'm afraid that they are doing this before they leave all
together.

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Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:04 AM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

Yes, they can't get jaws to work correctly in edge or FX. Read yesterday
that they finally fixed jaws to work in windows ten mail app. I use both
  mail app and Thunderbird. NVDA works great with FX 52.x.. I been learning
to use Edge, but don't really like it.

On 2/22/2018 10:50 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Glad you are giving NVDA a try. I'm afraid that FS is trying to suck 
> the juice out of a dead line of software.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:36 AM
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> Subject: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA
> 
>   I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't 
> remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave  it
>a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever since.
> occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like control, 
> panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty good in NVDA.
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RE: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Glad you are giving NVDA a try. I'm afraid that FS is trying to suck the
juice out of a dead line of software.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave  it
  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever since. 
occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like control, panel,
settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty good in NVDA.
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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I can agree wholeheartedly with this post. In England, if your blind, you'd
use JAWS in the schools. If your low vision, you'd use Supernova in the
schools too!.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and
to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not
willing to use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes
worked most of the time right out of the box without scripts years ago they
would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of
dollars because they would not of had to pay script righters to get there
software working.

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some
here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and
some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws.  Of
course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall
stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the 
> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, 
> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website, 
> when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down 
> the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find 
> Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I 
> am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a 
> product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they 
> trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention 
> charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff, 
> because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and 
> Narrator do.
>
> So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my 
> view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will 
> be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2 
> thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.
>
> Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You can tell it not to update. I think if the new versions of Firefox isn't
working with Window-Eyes, it is a clear sign that Window-eyes is failing
with the new updates. I use JAWS and NVDA and both work fine with the new
updates because both of these products are being updated.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Butch Bussen; mattc...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I can
tell it not to update?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
wrote:

>   Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release 
> notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes
out 
> some time in November.
> I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other 
> computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7 
> laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes 
> didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then, 
> reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to
associate 
> with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items
in 
> the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the
full 
> contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an 
> early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving
up 
> yet, but passing along my findings.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Matthew Chao
> Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>
> Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
> when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
> I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
> happened?--Matthew Chao.
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RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

No.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:03 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Iaen Cordell
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, it is not a true implamentation of the RDP remote desktop protocol
then?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:45 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

It's similar to the remote assistants in Window-Eyes, and the JAWS tandem in
JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

yes, NVDA remote is a remote support addon and it works very good.



On 9/11/2017 10:52 AM, Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:
> What about NVDA remote?
>  From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on 
> for
NVDA.
> Cheers
> IC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Josh Kennedy <joshuakennedy...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
>> ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
>> client support?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to 
>> really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would 
>> make an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation 
>> server
client support.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes 
>>> in the
>>> public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws 
>>> for dos.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Rod Hutton
>>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Thanks, Carol.
>>>
>>> That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
>>> distributing
>>> Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
>>> developed.
>>> Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>>> Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Hi Rod,
>>>
>>> Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the 
>>> copywright is
>>> still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The 
>>> book can
>>> be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.
>>> So, AI
>>> may have forwarded the copywright which

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It's similar to the remote assistants in Window-Eyes, and the JAWS tandem in
JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

yes, NVDA remote is a remote support addon and it works very good.



On 9/11/2017 10:52 AM, Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:
> What about NVDA remote?
>  From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on for
NVDA.
> Cheers
> IC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Cc: Josh Kennedy 
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
>> ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
>> client support?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to 
>> really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would 
>> make an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server
client support.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes 
>>> in the
>>> public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws 
>>> for dos.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Rod Hutton
>>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Thanks, Carol.
>>>
>>> That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
>>> distributing
>>> Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
>>> developed.
>>> Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>>> Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Carol and Roger 
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Hi Rod,
>>>
>>> Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the 
>>> copywright is
>>> still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The 
>>> book can
>>> be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.
>>> So, AI
>>> may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
>>> continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer 
>>> being
>>> distributed.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> > Hi Russ and all,
>>> >
>>> > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when 
>>> you install
>>> > Window-Eyes.
>>> > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this 
>>> thread
>>> > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of 
>>> Window-Eyes, I
>>> > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>>> >
>>> > Hth,
>>> >
>>> > Rod
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> > Cc: Russ Kiehne 
>>> > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>> >
>>> > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, 
>>> it's the
>>> > serial number that matters.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
>>> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>  

RE: window-eyes open source?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The problem is that FS has too much of a monopoly in the paid market.
Monopolies are illegal.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 8:51 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: window-eyes open source?

It is far from being as good as jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and  I can see it happening that
people will download the free program instead of paying hundreds of dollars
for a very similar program.
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Josh Kennedy
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:23 PM
  Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?


  Why couldn't it happen?



  On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  > I don't see that happening.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
  > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM
  > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Josh Kennedy
  > Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
  >
  > I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their business
profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more popular than jaws
and would still be open source?
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On 9/10/2017 2:54 AM, David wrote:
  >> Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the
  >> anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get
  >> back to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a quick look
at facts.
  >>
  >> Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone software,
  >> with all its coding done 'in-house', things would have been pretty
easy.
  >> And had it been that Doug and Dan had been the only ones to develop
  >> the software, they could have decided whatever they wanted.
  >>
  >> Things are not that easy!
  >> First of all, what doug pointed out, was that to get the better
  >> functionality of WinEyes, they had to reach certain agreements with -
  >> for instance Adobe - to get access to third-party software, kind of
  >> behind the scene. If they open-sourced the code, now these techniques
  >> might be disclosed to the public, threatening the products of the
  >> third-party manufacturer. In turn, this of course would lead to
  >> people, not working on assistive technology at all, to get hold of the
  >> key for the backdoor of - say Adobe's reader - and use it for unwanted
  >> activity, or even malware development.
  >>
  >> Secondly, WinEyes had a feature of offering you loads of apps. Many of
  >> them are open-sourced, but WinEyes holds a chance for the app
  >> developer to cryptize his code, for protecting against peekers. This
  >> was a benefit, for instance when the app has to access a server, and
  >> maybe even use some login credencials, to perform the activity.
  >> Without me knowing for sure, we could think of an app like
  >> WeatherOrNot, which has to access a server, retrieve weather details,
and process them for you.
  >> Now if the developer has reached a given agreement with the
  >> weather-server provider, that his app will gain free access, under the
  >> condition of not disclosing the login credencials, we are in trouble
  >> in open-sourcing WinEyes. By doing so, we would disclose the
  >> cryptizing code, opening up for people to break the cryptized code of
  >> the app, get to the credencials, and then misuse it.
  >>
  >> Part of the agreement GW made with their app developers, by providing
  >> the cryptizing feature, was to keep the app code an enclosed program.
  >> They might get into legal issues, should they disclose the cryptizer,
  >> thereby lay bare the very code of the app developer, who in turn might
  >> sue GW for breaking the agreement. This is kind of backed up, by a
  >> message Doug posted several years back, when someone claimed they had
  >> broken the cryptizer.
  >>
  >> Furthermore, it has been confirmed from Aaron, that some of the apps
  >> directly from GW, like AppGet, do hold credencials for accessing the
  >> servers of GW. It is unlikely that they want to have these credencials
  >> open-sourced. In particular so, if you remember the attack someone
  >> gave them a few years back, when the code of the GWToolkit was hacked,
  >> and gave many a WinEyes user quite a shock the morning they turned on
  >> their computer, and got a threatening message on their screen.
  >>
  >> Mind you, GW got into a cooperation with Microsoft, when they
  >> introduced the WEForOffice program. Even here, they told that this
  >> agreement would put them in 

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>- Original Message -
>From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Cc: Russ Kiehne
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
>
>Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
>public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Cc: Rod Hutton
>Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>
>Thanks, Carol.
>
>That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about
distributing
>Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
>Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do
so.
>
>Best,
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
>Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>Cc: Carol and Roger 
>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
>Hi Rod,
>
>Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
>still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
>be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
>may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
>continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
>distributed.
>
>Carol
>
>
>On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Russ and all,
>>
>> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you
install
>> Window-Eyes.
>> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
>> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes,
I
>> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Russ Kiehne 
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's
the
>> serial number that matters.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Carol and Roger
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
>> the name and any other information that is asked for during
installation
>> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your
copy
>> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still
be
>> a demo copy.
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person
would
>>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't
this
>>> correct?
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> Hi Loy,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would
be
>>>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it
was
>>>> no longer being developed.
>>>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
>>>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
>>>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>>> Cc: Loy 

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Well, JAWS won't be around forever. And it won't last for a while. Besides,
NVDA is slowly attracting JAWS users, and sooner or later JAWS users will
get smaller. In fact, I can see organizations, such as bookstores, etc use
NVDA in the future.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


  Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the 
  public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Rod Hutton
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

  Thanks, Carol.

  That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about
distributing 
  Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
  Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with 
  Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

  Best,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf 
  Of Carol and Roger via Talk
  Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Carol and Roger 
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  Hi Rod,

  Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
  still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
  be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
  may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
  continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
  distributed.

  Carol


  On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
  > Hi Russ and all,
  >
  > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install

  > Window-Eyes.
  > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
  > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
  > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk 
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
  > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
  > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  > Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
  > serial number that matters.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Carol and Roger
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
  > the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
  > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
  > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
  > a demo copy.
  >
  >
  > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
  >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person
would
  >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
  >> correct?
  >>
  >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
  >>
  >>   wrote:
  >>> Hi Loy,
  >>>
  >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
  >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it
was
  >>> no longer being developed.
  >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
  >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
  >>>
  >>> Thanks,
  >>>
  >>> Rod
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
  >>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
  >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  >>> Cc: Loy 
  >>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >>>
  >>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
  >>> countries you had to have a dongle.
  >>> - Original Message -
  >>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Cc: Rod Hutton
  >>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
  >>> Subject: RE: 

RE: App updates

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely and if Window-Eyes comes back, I hope the backing and Doug will
be able to aggressively market it. Doug feels betrayed by AI Squared and
VFO, and he will always regret not getting a good share of the market.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Cussons, M. (Mark)'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: John Farley
Subject: RE: App updates

Hello Mark,

Clearly I have no idea of any undertakings that Doug might have made when he
left the employment of VFO. However, it would be usual business practice in
the UK for an undertaking not to take part in the development of any
competing products within a specified period after employment has been
terminated. I would doubt if such a period of time has elapsed yet. Note
that I do not know if such practice takes place in the USA.

There must be a reason why the previous key personnel of GW-Micro are not
seen on any lists any more.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Cussons, M. (Mark) [mailto:mar...@nedbank.co.za]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 7:30 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: App updates

HI All,
Definintely interested!!  And I wonder, now that Doug has left VFO, maybe
he's trying to get backing to continue window eyes journey??  I really hope
so, for it's a far superior product to jaws.  The only thing counting in
jaws favour in my humble opinion now, is its OCR feature!!  
Lets revive window eyes, and keep it going!
Thanks to those techies like Rod who can help us with this!
Warm Regards
Mark 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+markcu=nedcor.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: 06 September 2017 12:27 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: John Farley
Subject: RE: App updates

Rod,

Yes, I am interested. I intend to continue to use Window-Eyes for as long as
it continues to work to my satisfaction.

Thank you for your work on this.


Regards, John

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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO
is no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set
up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support
for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes
users you know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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RE: Physical mouse reading text in JAWS?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

There is a mouse echo function. To turn it on, press insert space, e in
JAWS.

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Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 9:07 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Physical mouse reading text in JAWS?

Both in Window Eyes and NVDA you can use the physical mouse to pass the
mouse pointer over  text on the screen and it will read it, but I can't find
a setting in JAWS to do this, is this possible in JAWS?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dennis Long via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: Dennis Long 
  Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 11:10 AM
  Subject: RE: Learning JAWS and NVDA


  Use the search box in settings center of jaws it's your friend.

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  Subject: Learnig JAWS and NVDA

  In learning JAWS as a WE user, my biggest problem is learning the JAWS
menus
  and settings. I find it hard to find what I need. Some are not as
  descriptive as I would like. I do like the Microsoft mobile voice Mark, I
  find it responsive and easy to listen to. 
  I find that NVDA and JAWS have some similarities. I find that NVDA does
some
  things better than JAWS.

  I do want to get a working knowledge of both screen readers just in case
WE
  stops working in future releases of Windows. But right now still like WE
  best.
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RE: Learning JAWS and NVDA

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also there is a JAWS search feature, insert space, and the letter J.  Once
you do that, a search box will come up. Then, you can type in a function,
and JAWS will display the function in a virtual viewer, and it will also
give you the links for you to activate that function, and it will say the
hot key for that function. So, for example, if you wanted to look up the
word title, you'd press insert space, J, then type title, and it would say
"read title of application: link insert T." At that point, you can press
either insert t or just press enter on the link. I hope this helps, Sky.

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Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Learning JAWS and NVDA

Use the search box in settings center of jaws it's your friend.

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 10:46 AM
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Cc: Loy
Subject: Learnig JAWS and NVDA

In learning JAWS as a WE user, my biggest problem is learning the JAWS menus
and settings. I find it hard to find what I need. Some are not as
descriptive as I would like. I do like the Microsoft mobile voice Mark, I
find it responsive and easy to listen to. 
I find that NVDA and JAWS have some similarities. I find that NVDA does some
things better than JAWS.

I do want to get a working knowledge of both screen readers just in case WE
stops working in future releases of Windows. But right now still like WE
best.
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RE: the old command still works

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

OK.  For a quick hotkey, it is alt+shift+L for spellcheck in JAWS.

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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:51 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Mike Bernard
Subject: the old command still works

Hi everyone,
For those of you who have switched over to JFW, remember in the old days of
Window-Eyes, before GW Micro came up with that new hot key, "alt apostrophe"
that we used to use to get into MS Word's spellchecker? In the past, we had
to use the F-7 key to do this. For those who haven't found this out yet, the
alt apostrophe command no longer works. However, when in Jaws, the old F-7
command still works. Just thought I'd pass that along for any window-eyes
users who may be using Jaws for the first time with word..
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RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Neither did I. The head, Who's name, for your reference is David Woo was the 
head of AI Squared. Now the head is one of the big bosses at VFO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:04 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

When I heard the head at AISquared speak at the time of the merger, I did not 
like him, I could since he was not being totally honest about the future of WE 
and AISquared. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brenda via Talk 
  To: Butch Bussen via Talk 
  Cc: Brenda 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:59 PM
  Subject: Re: contacting Doug.


  I too was hopeful the AI Squared merge would be good for Window-eyes. 
  but, the merge was lopsided and seems more like a sale as GW had no more 
  control.

  I always thought AI Squared was directed by VFO to bring them 
  Window-eyes as VFO didn't absorb AI Squared until after W-e was 
  acquired. Maybe AI Squared was also in bad shape financially and felt 
  selling out to VFO was in their best interest.

  It is possible doug, Dan and Aaron were offered positions at VFO but 
  refused them. Perhaps this was the same for other GW employees too. 
  Perhaps not.

  True, technology changes, and products/programs get discontinued, but 
  for me Window-eyes was more than just another program. I have heard the 
  term VFO Family" but VFO is not my family - GW Micro was and is and I'm 
  still dealing with the loss.  some may not like these posts, but they 
  are helping me deal with the situation.

  I should have written this post using jaws to help me practice - oh well 
  - I'll
move on eventually.
  Brenda









  On 8/22/2017 12:04 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  > Yes, that is my understanding as well. Again, i wonder if gw people had 
  > a clue a i squared would sell them down the drain. Again I wonder, was 
  > this a i squared's agenda all along? Only the shadow knows.
  > 73
  > Butch
  > WA0VJR
  > Node 3148
  > Wallace, ks.
  > 
  > 
  > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
  > 
  >> It is possible I am misinterpreting this note, but I really think that 
  >> both Doug and Dan thought that the merger with AI Squared would give 
  >> Window-Eyes a fresh burst of resources to get over the hump on changes 
  >> that were very much needed. Once they sold the company, even though 
  >> they remained active employees, they would not have had a say 
  >> regarding the purchase of AI Squared by VFO. I remember at the time 
  >> GW Micro was purchased by AI Squared, that Doug wrote in some context 
  >> or other about the number of engineers and developers AI Squared had 
  >> compared to GW Micro, and I think there was some real optimism there.  
  >> The idea of the Fusion product with Window-Eyes may have provided the 
  >> new market and exposure that Window-Eyes really needed. I really 
  >> don't think there were two mor decent people in this industry.
  >>
  >> Best regards,
  >>
  >> Steve Jacobson
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
  >> Dennis Long via Talk
  >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:00 AM
  >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >> Cc: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
  >> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
  >>
  >> When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  
  >> Remember everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.
  >>
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
  >> Reeva Webb via Talk
  >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
  >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Cc: Reeva Webb
  >> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
  >>
  >> Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, 
  >> y'all shouldn't have gotten with the shark.
  >>
  >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
  >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
  >> Of Jericho
  >>
  >> Reeva
  >>
  >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" 
  >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >> wrote:
  >>
  >>> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
  >>> Russ Kiehne via Talk
  >>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
  >

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah I know what you mean, and to think JAWS is still perceived as the #1
product in agencies for the blind.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva
Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:20 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Believe me i tried. I sent multiple messages through the contact form on the
vfo website. Sent emails to several people that were higher up/i thought
were still at ai2 and either got nothing, canned response, email back that
the person i was trying to contact was no longer there or my email got
forwarded to customer service. I did bring it up in a thread on list that
dan was on but i don't think it was seen. I also tried emailing dan directly
and it bounced every time.  At this point i'm done. Like i said using my we
version of fusion, learning nvda better slowly, have android devices at my
side and waiting for google to hopefully put out a updated chromebook pixel.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 22, 2017 11:42 AM, "Brenda via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> HeyReeva,
>
> I think you should consider taking your concern up the VFO ladder to 
> someone above the people that answer the phone.  Sure seems like 
> Fusion users should have gotten the same type of offer as W-E users 
> did.  Maybe if you dig around you can find someone higher up the food
chain to appeal to.
>
> It doesn't hurt to try, even if only for the principle of it.
> Brenda
>
> On 8/22/2017 12:34 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>
>> For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based 
>> zoomtext fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact 
>> i'm in the same boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should 
>> gotten free upgrades.
>> Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going 
>> to the jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, 
>> instead of
>> $200
>> for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75 
>> upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion 
>> users blindness convention pricing without having to go to the 
>> conventions.  I
>> might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt
fusion,
>> slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new 
>> chromebook pixel and buy that or another chromebook.
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" 
>> Walls Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" < 
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 
>> came
>>> out,
>>> Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people 
>>> with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Tom Kingston via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just 
>>> eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes 
>>> there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. 
>>> Magic is probably already on death row allowing only critical 
>>> updates while ZoomText is actively developed.
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student
>>>>
>>> editions?
>>>
>>>> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched 
>>>> student copies of JAWS and Magic.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Tom Kingston via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
>>>> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
>>>> 1. To replace their 

RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That is my thinking.  There was going to be rewritten braille support. GW knew 
they were falling behind but they didn't have the budget to get ahead of the 
competition while the Lawsuit was in progress.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via 
Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Butch Bussen via Talk
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

I too was hopeful the AI Squared merge would be good for Window-eyes. 
but, the merge was lopsided and seems more like a sale as GW had no more 
control.

I always thought AI Squared was directed by VFO to bring them Window-eyes as 
VFO didn't absorb AI Squared until after W-e was acquired. Maybe AI Squared was 
also in bad shape financially and felt selling out to VFO was in their best 
interest.

It is possible doug, Dan and Aaron were offered positions at VFO but refused 
them. Perhaps this was the same for other GW employees too. 
Perhaps not.

True, technology changes, and products/programs get discontinued, but for me 
Window-eyes was more than just another program. I have heard the term VFO 
Family" but VFO is not my family - GW Micro was and is and I'm still dealing 
with the loss.  some may not like these posts, but they are helping me deal 
with the situation.

I should have written this post using jaws to help me practice - oh well
- I'll
  move on eventually.
Brenda









On 8/22/2017 12:04 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> Yes, that is my understanding as well.  Again, i wonder if gw people had 
> a clue a i squared would sell them down the drain.  Again I wonder, was 
> this a i squared's agenda all along?  Only the shadow knows.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> 
>> It is possible I am misinterpreting this note, but I really think that 
>> both Doug and Dan thought that the merger with AI Squared would give 
>> Window-Eyes a fresh burst of resources to get over the hump on changes 
>> that were very much needed.  Once they sold the company, even though 
>> they remained active employees, they would not have had a say 
>> regarding the purchase of AI Squared by VFO.  I remember at the time 
>> GW Micro was purchased by AI Squared, that Doug wrote in some context 
>> or other about the number of engineers and developers AI Squared had 
>> compared to GW Micro, and I think there was some real optimism there.  
>> The idea of the Fusion product with Window-Eyes may have provided  the 
>> new market and exposure that Window-Eyes really needed.  I really 
>> don't think there were two mor decent people in this industry.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:00 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Cc: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
>>
>> When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  
>> Remember everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Reeva Webb
>> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
>>
>> Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, 
>> y'all shouldn't have gotten with the shark.
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
>> Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>>>
>>> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
>>> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.
>>> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Debby Franson via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, A

RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

So they couldn't control Window-Eyes or anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long 
via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:22 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Simple at that point they had no control over anything.  They couldn't control  
what AI squared did.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:20 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

How do you know it was the end when they sold out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long 
via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:00 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  Remember 
everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, y'all 
shouldn't have gotten with the shark.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  
> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Debby Franson via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Debby Franson
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> Hi Loy!
>
> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this 
> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the 
> current day.
>
> Debby
>
> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
> >This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster
> >than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne
> >via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent:
> >Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check
> >this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From:
> >Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling
> Windows"
> >Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in
> the
> >Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among
> >Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in
> >March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its
> >data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
> >screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the
> >interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task,
> 1
> >for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone
> >observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's
> >WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6
> >total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
> >accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total
> >points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5
> >accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average:
> >.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished
> >with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's
> >Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1
> >failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 4   failed: 6   total
> >points: 14   average: .93   TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 7   failed: 3   total
> >points: 17   average: 1.13   Based solely on this analy

RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

When GW Micro sold out to AI Squared. Because here in Canada, I've been 
promoting the free version to organizations and some of them accepted it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long 
via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:00 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  Remember 
everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, y'all 
shouldn't have gotten with the shark.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  
> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Debby Franson via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Debby Franson
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> Hi Loy!
>
> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this 
> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the 
> current day.
>
> Debby
>
> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
> >This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster
> >than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne
> >via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent:
> >Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check
> >this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From:
> >Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling
> Windows"
> >Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in
> the
> >Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among
> >Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in
> >March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its
> >data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
> >screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the
> >interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task,
> 1
> >for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone
> >observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's
> >WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6
> >total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
> >accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total
> >points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5
> >accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average:
> >.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished
> >with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's
> >Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1
> >failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 4   failed: 6   total
> >points: 14   average: .93   TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 7   failed: 3   total
> >points: 17   average: 1.13   Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for
> >Windows and Screen   Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed by
> >OutSpoken for   Windows, Screen Power for Windows, WinVision, Window
> Bridge
> >and Window-Eyes.   Let me remind readers that Windows access products are
> >rapidly   developing so that new versions might lead to significantly
> >different results today.  In fact, some developers have already   made
> >enhancements to address problems encountered at this
> >competition.   --Dueli

RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

How do you know it was the end when they sold out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long 
via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:00 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  Remember 
everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, y'all 
shouldn't have gotten with the shark.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  
> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Debby Franson via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Debby Franson
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> Hi Loy!
>
> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this 
> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the 
> current day.
>
> Debby
>
> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
> >This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster
> >than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne
> >via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent:
> >Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check
> >this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From:
> >Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling
> Windows"
> >Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in
> the
> >Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among
> >Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in
> >March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its
> >data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
> >screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the
> >interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task,
> 1
> >for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone
> >observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's
> >WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6
> >total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
> >accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total
> >points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5
> >accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average:
> >.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished
> >with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's
> >Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1
> >failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 4   failed: 6   total
> >points: 14   average: .93   TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 7   failed: 3   total
> >points: 17   average: 1.13   Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for
> >Windows and Screen   Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed by
> >OutSpoken for   Windows, Screen Power for Windows, WinVision, Window
> Bridge
> >and Window-Eyes.   Let me remind readers that Windows access products are
> >rapidly   developing so that new versions might lead to significantly
> >different results today.  In fact, some developers have already   made
> >enhancements to address problems encountered at this
> >competition.   --Dueling Windows:  An Overviewby
> >Kenneth Frasse(re-printed with permission of

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah and if Zoom Text declines in  market share, there will be no other
magnification products to take it over. We have Supernova but that is a UK
baste product.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva
Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 9:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

For whatever stupid reason, people like me who bought the we based zoomtext
fusion got no discount at all on uprading. Despite the fact i'm in the same
boat as just we users. I'm not even saying  we should gotten free upgrades.
Sorry y'all but this makes me angry. I would've thought about going to the
jaws based version of fusion if they would've been like ok, instead of $200
for upgrade and $200 for the sma. We'll give y'all a break and do $75
upgrade and $100 for sma. Hell, even if they would've given we fusion users
blindness convention pricing without having to go to the conventions.  I
might have done that but no.   I will be using my we version of zt fusion,
slowly learn nvda better and wait to see if google puts out a new chromebook
pixel and buy that or another chromebook.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:24 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came 
> out, Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that 
> people with Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>
> That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just 
> eventually replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes 
> there's no practical reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic 
> is probably already on death row allowing only critical updates while 
> ZoomText is actively developed.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> > Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student
> editions?
> > Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student 
> > copies of JAWS and Magic.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
> > To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> > Cc: Tom Kingston
> > Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >
> > VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
> > 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling
> ZoomText.
> > 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
> > End of story.
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> >> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, 
> >> for
> > example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs 
> > touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> >> Nick Sarames via Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
> >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Cc: Nick Sarames
> >> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >>
> >> Why would they?
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> >>>
> >>> Debby
> >>>
> >>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
> >>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What 
> >>>> company do you know that gives code that was a product that was 
> >>>> sold for profit to just give it away.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> >>>> Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
> >>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
> >>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> >>>>
> >>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a com

RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah and AI shouldn’t have gotten with FS. In fact, when they merged, they 
showed Fusion with Window-Eyes to agencies and they were impressed with the 
Window-Eyes version but they said they'd like to see JAWS work with Zoom text.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, y'all 
shouldn't have gotten with the shark.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  
> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Debby Franson via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Debby Franson
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> Hi Loy!
>
> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this 
> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the 
> current day.
>
> Debby
>
> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
> >This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster
> >than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne
> >via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent:
> >Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check
> >this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From:
> >Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling
> Windows"
> >Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in
> the
> >Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among
> >Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in
> >March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its
> >data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
> >screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the
> >interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task,
> 1
> >for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone
> >observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's
> >WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6
> >total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
> >accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total
> >points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5
> >accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average:
> >.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished
> >with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's
> >Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1
> >failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 4   failed: 6   total
> >points: 14   average: .93   TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
> >accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 7   failed: 3   total
> >points: 17   average: 1.13   Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for
> >Windows and Screen   Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed by
> >OutSpoken for   Windows, Screen Power for Windows, WinVision, Window
> Bridge
> >and Window-Eyes.   Let me remind readers that Windows access products are
> >rapidly   developing so that new versions might lead to significantly
> >different results today.  In fact, some developers have already   made
> >enhancements to address problems encountered at this
> >competition.   --Dueling Windows:  An Overviewby
> >Kenneth Frasse(re-printed with permission of Sensory Access
> >Foundationfrom Access Review, Vol. I, No. 1, Spring 1996)
> >Abstract   In March, at the CSUN International Conference on Technology
> and
>

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah and you know what is ironic about all of this? When Magic 12 came out,
Freedom Scientific issued a competitive upgrade plan so that people with
Zoom text could upgrade to Magic for about $100 or so.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

That depends on the deal with APH. But they'll probably just eventually
replace Magic with ZoomText. Just like with Window-Eyes there's no practical
reason for them to maintain two magnifiers. Magic is probably already on
death row allowing only critical updates while ZoomText is actively
developed.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 2:06 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions?
> Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student 
> copies of JAWS and Magic.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> 
> VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
> 1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling
ZoomText.
> 2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes.
> End of story.
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for
> example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs 
> touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Nick Sarames
>> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> Why would they?
>>
>> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
>>>
>>> Debby
>>>
>>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>>>> profit to just give it away.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dennis Long via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Cc: Dennis Long
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>>>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
>>>> WE is one of those.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>>>> code or anything.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Olusegun
>>>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>>>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>>
>>>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now 
>>>> that Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an 
>>>> impressive screen reader wh

RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Dueling Windows.  It showed that   we have 
>come a long way in GUI screen reader development since only   a few, short 
>years ago when access to GUI appeared a dismal   prospect.  Dueling Windows 
>further showed, however, that we have a   long way to go in GUI screen 
>reader development.  Few tasks, by any   vendor, could be easily performed 
>with a single keystroke or short   series of keystrokes; though certain 
>individual tasks could be   performed relatively easily, access to an 
>entire process or series   of tasks seemed burdensome and never completely 
>straight-forward.   The seminar brought to light some important points to 
>consider   regarding this.   DOS was not accessible in its early state, and 
>is often still   inaccessible.  Access to Windows, however, is occurring at 
>an   earlier stage in Windows development than did access in DOS's 
>development.  Also, if certain programming conventions are upheld   in 
>Windows, Windows may become much more predictable and workable   than DOS 
>did; remember that GUI access is in its fledgling state   and will become 
>much more sophisticated.  One key issue for access   to Windows is the 
>need, or lack thereof, to build one's own speech   configurations or 
>profiles.  If an access program works well with   a strict, conventional 
>set-up of an application program, but fails   to easily be configured for a 
>slight variation of the original   application program, this is obviously 
>not desirable.  Also, key   issues for GUI screen reader users are the 
>ability to re-read text   and fields that have been spoken once as a window 
>opens, and the   ability to spell words in any area of the screen where 
>they are   only spoken in context.   Since Windows is somewhat predictable 
>and generally constant in its   presentation, and, since certain Windows 
>application programs have   become more conventional than others, it is not 
>unreasonable to   assume that the differences between access programs will 
>become   more philosophy-based, rather than task-based.  The conventions of 
>Windows, or domination of Microsoft, essentially requires all GUI   screen 
>readers to eventually have full and complete access to these   programs. 
>The distinctions are likely to appear in the interface   where more or less 
>transparency is desired, etc.   Lastly, Dueling Windows may be providing a 
>marketing aspect that   could benefit the users.  Though certainly not 
>all-encompassing, it   injects a competitiveness into the screen reader 
>market that might   not otherwise be there.  Much product development for 
>the blind has   suffered as a result of a lack of competition, so the user 
>may   benefit from this current surge in GUI access competitiveness.  The 
>only danger with this added competitiveness is if the small pool of 
>developers and vendors in this market lose respect for another's   product, 
>or cease to work with other developers.  Judging from the   March CSUN 
>event, this is certainly not the case yet, and SAF looks   forward to the 
>next Dueling Windows.   Post Scriptum:   SAF welcomes any or all of the GUI 
>screen reader vendors to respond   to any misrepresentations or errors this 
>article may infer   regarding their product.   -Original Message-  
>From: Ian Westerland via Talk   Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:04 PM   To: 
>Sky Mundell via Talk   Cc: Ian Westerland   Subject: Re: contacting Doug. 
>Hello everyone.  I am still using Window-Eyes and the various Android 
>apps in my smart phone but I think the 4 B's might apply here to FS,   Jaws 
>and screen reading access generally.   What are the 4 B's?   Big, Bigger, 
>Biggest, Bust.   In the longr term, some good will come of it all depending 
>on who thinks   about what is behind the need for top quality Screen 
>reading access.   There are some good things around.   Just some thoughts 
>I've had as I have observed and participated in some   of this 
>Accessibility change and development.   Ian Westerland   On 8/19/2017 7:24 
>AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:   > FS is getting desperate to hang onto 
>their market at any cost. With JAWS   > having a monopoly in the paid 
>market now, the price of JAWS might go up.   >   > -Original 
>Message-   > From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>Behalf Of Reeva   > Webb via Talk   > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:42 
>AM   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   > Cc: Reeva Webb   > Subject: RE: 
>contacting Doug.   >   > You can tell fs starting to get desperate. Fs 10 
>or 15 years ago wouldn't   > have given you discounts on anything. For most 
>the out of the box   > accessibility, android, apple etc. will work for 
>what they need to do. I'm   > curious though,

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh Sure. That's right. But what about the Magic and JAWS student editions?
Magic was used in Colombia with JAWS,and APH and FS launched student copies
of JAWS and Magic.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:47 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

VFO bought AI Squared for two reasons.
1. To replace their useless Magic magnifier with the best selling ZoomText.
2. To kill their competition in the screen reading world, Window-Eyes. 
End of story.
Regards,
Tom


On 8/21/2017 12:14 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for
example, Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs
touchscreen support, it needs this and that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Nick Sarames
> Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
> 
> Why would they?
> 
> On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
>>
>> Debby
>>
>> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>>> profit to just give it away.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Dennis Long
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?
>>> WE is one of those.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>>> code or anything.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Olusegun
>>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>>
>>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that 
>>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
>>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  
>>> Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes 
>>> code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on
the part of V F O.
>>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Because their still needs to be improvements made to Window-Eyes, for example, 
Edge support, it needs rewritten braille support, it needs touchscreen support, 
it needs this and that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick 
Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Why would they?

On 8/20/2017 9:22 PM, Debby Franson via Talk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I wonder if VFO would ever sell the code.
> 
> Debby
> 
> At 12:37 PM 8/20/2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote
>> They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>> profit to just give it away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 
>> they bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  
>> WE is one of those.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky Mundell via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Sky Mundell
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes 
>> code or anything.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Olusegun
>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
>>
>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that 
>> Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive 
>> screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just 
>> maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT 
>> IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>>
>>
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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Exactly and it's because of that that Window-Eyes is now destroyed. So FS
would say, you can only buy JAWS. You can't use any competing products. You
can't do this in other products. You can only do this in JAWS. You can't do
this, you can't do that, etc. If you push our products, we'll give you
kickbacks. We'll give you a discount if you not only push our products but
also if you script for us. Here's your money, now, sign the contract. So the
counselors would sign the contract blindly before looking at it right butch?
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch
Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

You are so right, Tom.  When I was a client in Nevada and  for a short time
an employee, they pushed Jaws totally.  they bought from cross roads, a
division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to
convince them to buy their products.  Of course, if any scripting was done,
the state paid through the nose .  I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a
window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat
refused.  To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes.  I
will do so until it quits working.  When that time comes, I may go to a
braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet.  On Sun, 20
Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

> You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have 
> the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no 
> different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
> and Facebook  are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the 
> competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for 
> new startups with new technology today because who can say no when 
> they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned 
> giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you 
> conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.
>
> FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's 
> anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from 
> Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not 
> even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of 
> control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless 
> they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS 
> or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf 
> the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And 
> of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well.
>
> Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the 
> little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. 
> I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly 
> non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know 
> this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And 
> as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a 
> considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not 
> willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to 
> anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, 
> which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why 
> non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. 
> They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a 
> simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like 
> buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on
its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.
>
> And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level 
> program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such 
> thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a 
> template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a 
> guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the 
> inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a
full blown screen reader can do.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>  They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company 
>> do you  know that gives code that was a product that was sold for 
>> profit to just  give it away.
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Sky  Mundell via Talk
>>  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
>>  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>  Cc: Sky Mundell
>>  Subjec

RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

So they'll keep the code forever.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:38 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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[Sky Mundell via Talk]

They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Long via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I'm pretty sure they own the code.  I say this for a few reasons 1 they
bought AI Squared and their products.  What are their products?  WE is one
of those.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky
Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes code or
anything.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun
-- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yeah they could have sued VFO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva
Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:47 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

Yep, the free jfw for sma holders they had to do. Otherwise sma holders
could've sued.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 18, 2017 6:41 PM, "Brenda via Talk" 
wrote:

> My thoughts...
>
> I thought the NFB was supposed to help blind people - surprised they 
> would sell out to a single screen reader, especially an inferior one.
>
> aaron smithwas at VFO as Enterprise Compliance specialist.  I don't 
> think VFO gave us Jaws because they wanted to, they may have had to 
> legally for some reason.  wonder if aaron is still there or if he left 
> with Doug.  I think he lived in Ft. Wayne so I'm thinking he worked 
> remotely until he was no longer needed.
>
> I suspect there are some folks that are still in contact with doug - 
> if so, please convey my, and probably all listers, appreciation to 
> him.  It would have been nice if Doug had said goodbye on this list, 
> but I suspect that would have stirred things up again.
>
> I think Jaws has a better chance of survival because it has better 
> financial backing and a more diversified product line.  I really feel 
> Hims did GW in after using GW to enter the U.S. market then going off 
> on their own. I took a training class at GW when GW was working with 
> Hims to develop and market the booksense and the folks at GW were so 
> pleased/excited about this product.
>
> All that being said, it never hurts to have multiple tools in the 
> toolbox so I will learn jaws eventually. I just can't think in Jaws very
well yet.
>
> I think I covered everything I wanted in response to the emails in 
> this thread.
> Brenda
>
>
>
> On 8/17/2017 2:45 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>
>> Hear is why I say Jaws is going nowhere.  1 state agencies and 
>> government contracts.  2 it's better than any other screen reader 
>> currently in development.  3 NFB.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> ratshtron via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:50 AM
>> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: ratshtron
>> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
>>
>> hmmm, if you can't beat the competition, kill it! I believe I'm going 
>> to switch to apple, BIG GRIN!
>>
>>
>> Legend has it that on Wednesday 8/16/2017 08:02 PM, Olusegun -- 
>> Victory Associates LTD, said:
>> 
>>
>>> Well, Michael, I once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could 
>>> not win in the courts, was well fought and won outside; with its 
>>> cohorts and
>>>
>> coterie
>>
>>> of friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat!
>>>
>>> The merger with AI Square came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to 
>>> see it happen, but what voice do I have?
>>>
>>> I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment 
>>> developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, 
>>> just may be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes 
>>> on the sparrow, Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture 
>>> capitalists will soon squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and 
>>> Google to fill the void at least here in the United States!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
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RE: contacting Doug.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

FS is getting desperate to hang onto their market at any cost. With JAWS having 
a monopoly in the paid market now, the price of JAWS might go up.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

You can tell fs starting to get desperate. Fs 10 or 15 years ago wouldn't have 
given you discounts on anything. For most the out of the box accessibility, 
android, apple etc. will work for what they need to do. I'm curious though, is 
anyone from gw or pre merger ai2 still around.? Everyone i can think of seems 
to be gone.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 17, 2017 1:00 PM, "Joseph Norton via Talk" < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

> Ah, I think I see where you’re going with this.
>
> Are you saying things may be getting to a point where the cost of 
> maintaining JAWS is greater than anyone wants to pay in terms of 
> keeping the company going?
>
> I know it’s not because of Narrator being a superior product on the 
> Windows side.  It is improving, but, not enough for many of us to get 
> rid of JAWS.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long'
> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
>
> Well, Michael, I once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could not 
> win in the courts, was well fought and won outside; with its cohorts 
> and coterie of friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat!
>
> The merger with AI Square came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to 
> see it happen, but what voice do I have?
>
> I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment 
> developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, just 
> may be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the 
> sparrow, Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture capitalists 
> will soon squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the 
> void at least here in the United States!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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RE: been a great ride

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also, remember that venders even lied about Window-Eyes. They said that the
free version with office doesn't work in office, it is only a demo, it only
lasts 90 days, it only lasts for a month. These were regular lies told by
the venders.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:55 PM
To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

I, too, am a Window-eyes hold out.  I plan to stick with WE for as long as
it works, and am going to explore my options for when I have to make the
switch.  It will not be to Jaws.

I have been a GW Micro customer since the days of Vocal-eyes.  When I
decided to go with a Windows computer, back in the 90's, I tried both Jaws
and Window-eyes.  Window-eyes was far superior.  My husband and I had a
business at that time, and Rehab was involved in helping to make things
accessible for me.  Although they were really pushing Jaws, I insisted on
Window-eyes, and they came through for me.  Rehab really didn't have much to
offer in the way of training, but The Window-eyes support was excellent.

When you stop and think about how many years Doug and Dan have invested in
GW Micro, retirement probably was a consideration.  It's just too bad things
had to end the way they did.  I was really hoping that with the Window-eyes
for Office offering, Microsoft would end up with WE, and would hire WE staff
to work for them.  I really sensed that there were going to be big changes
when that offering was made.

Karen P
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karen=poulakos@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

As someone who used GW  Micro products from the very beginning, at least
since in 1990, I miss WE already. It's a shame. Seems like perhaps Doug and
Dan were deceived by AI Squared. Just my opinion. Could be completely wrong.
It's appalling that Doug didn't have any say on whether AI Squared merged or
was bought out by VFO. That left us to be devoured by the shark. Anyway, I
just wanted to express that.

What's the NVDA list? How and where do I subscribe? I need help with that
screen reader. Thanks as always,



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:13 PM
To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

Hello Tony.  Yeah I can understand what you mean.  There are some people
where I live who have never even heard of Window-Eyes, and even if some do
here, it only by name, they haven't really had a chance to try it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly every
onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've
also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the
blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not
only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from
section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill
the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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RE: been a great ride

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Tony.  Yeah I can understand what you mean.  There are some people
where I live who have never even heard of Window-Eyes, and even if some do
here, it only by name, they haven't really had a chance to try it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly every
onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've
also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the
blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not
only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from
section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill
the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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RE: WE Remote assistance

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I agree with you Don.  Not to menschen that about 3 years ago GW Micro had
the certification program so that people could get certified in it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:13 PM
To: via Talk
Subject: Re: WE Remote assistance

We all have to fully understand that Window Eyes developement and support is
over.  Use it until it stops working but take a look at NVDA to see how well
it works.

On 7/25/2017 4:25 PM, via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
> 
>   
> 
> Speaking of remote assistance, I assume that will also go away once 
> the GW Micro servers go down.  Am I right about this?
> 
>   
> 
> Thanks!
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It sure is a shame. Unfortunately, Due to VFO having the entire market, no 
player can push them forward anymore in any large scale deal.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:40 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

I understand that, I really do. And I am not saying it is not a good idea, it 
is just a shame to see such a wonderful product, be tossed aside.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:45 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just because window eyes isn't being developed doesn't mean that there are 
> not lots and lots of people who will still be using it, and might need to ask 
> questions.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!
> 
> Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
> Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?
> 
> It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, or 
> VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful feedback.
> 
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RE: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Peter. It has indeed stopped being developed.  There are hundreds of
people in my area who haven't heard of Window-Eyes and they haven't been
given the opertunity to try it so those people have missed out on a great
screen reading program.
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Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:58 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by
Doug.  Don't folks have anything better to do with their time?

It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10,
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful
feedback.

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RE: updated all of my 35 apps

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes 
on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are so bias 
that they actually delighted in announcing Window-Eyes demise.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:16 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps

Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if they 
discontinued Jaws?  Oh the humanity.

On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
> No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Very sad what is happening and has happened.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps
>>
>> I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 
>> apps.  From the response I just received, no more updates to app 
>> central will be allowed.
>> Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an 
>> unnecessary termination of services which all of the current 
>> Window-Eyes users are using.
>> I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more 
>> updates will be approved.
>> Jeff Weiss
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Bryan Carver
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM
>> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com
>> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately 
>> not be posting any further updates for apps.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified
>>
>> VFO™ | Director Technical Support
>>
>> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
>>
>> T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026
>>
>> bcar...@vfogroup.com
>>
>> www.vfogroup.com
>>
>> How am I doing?  Let
>>
>> Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know!
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM
>> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
>> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps
>>
>>
>> I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my 
>> Window-Eyes apps on App Central.  It’s been several days, and I have 
>> not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out.  I 
>> updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come 
>> to my home address since I am now retired.  Please allow these 
>> updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeff Weiss
>>
>> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Weiss
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM
>>
>> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
>>
>> Subject: updated all of my 35 apps
>>
>>
>> I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work.
>>
>> Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come 
>> to my home email address.
>>
>> The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows:
>>
>>
>> AppsActive
>>
>> version 2.3
>>
>>
>> AssertiveChristian
>>
>> Version 1.1
>>
>>
>> BrailleQuiz
>>
>> Version 1.7
>>
>>
>> BrowseModeStatus
>>
>> version 1.3
>>
>>
>> Celebrate
>>
>> Version 1.1
>>
>>
>> Christmas
>>
>> version 1.3
>>
>>
>> DailyBlessings
>>
>> version 2.0
>>
>>
>> DailyProverbs
>>
>> version 1.3
>>
>>
>> Daily Psalms
>>
>> version 1.1
>>
>>
>> EasterBlessing
>>
>> version 1.1
>>
>>
>> ErrorList
>>
>> version 1.7
>>
>>
>> FreeSpace
>>
>> version 1.8
>>
>>
>> GivingThanks
>>
>> version 1.1
>>
>>
>> GodsValentine
>>
>> version 1.4
>>
>>
>> Happiness
>>
>> Version 1.1
>>
>>
>> HushNow
>>
>> version 1.4
>>
>>
>> LunarLander
>>
>> version 1.4
>>
>>
>> Mis

RE: App mall was Re: updated all of my 35 apps

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Brenda. Sky here.  Having a app mall would be amazing!  Unfortunately I 
don't have the skills to set up one, otherwise I would set up a app mall!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:53 PM
To: David via Talk
Subject: App mall was Re: updated all of my 35 apps

The app mall is an excellent idea if there is someone talented and motivated 
enough to set it up.

Back in the day GW encouraged people to make their apps and websites accessible 
to screen reader users.  An app mall would be a good place for them to get info 
about how to go about it since they can no longer contact GW.  Apple has always 
encouraged app developers to make their apps accessible, so even links to the 
appropriate Apple webpage would also be a good idea.

I am clueless about jaws scripts and do use a few W-e apps and maybe someday 
will work on learning NVDA. Having jaws and NVDA scripts along with Window-eyes 
apps in the same place would be very handy for end users too.

As for the server, I think it was moved when it disappeared for a while during 
June +-.  Doug said something to the effect that as long as we kept topics 
relevant VFO would probably keep this server running.  But it appears Doug is 
gone and there is no one to look out for W-e user interests at VFO.

Not sure if Aaron Smith is still at VFO - he may be our only hope.  Or perhaps 
a long-shot would be pleading our case with Eric Damery (sp).

as a Window-eyes user, I find this list very helpful as I occasionally try to 
use jaws.  I just can't seem to stick with jaws because I think in Window-eyes. 
 At least on my win7 machine things should work fine for a while.

I'm keeping emails so if this list does disappear suddenly I will at least be 
able to contact some folks. If something happens all of a sudden, maybe we 
could all meet on the Blind Tech list or the jaws list (not sure what the 
contact info is) or another list someone mentions in response to my email.

Brenda




On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the 
> final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will 
> turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they 
> still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people 
> actually make use of them.
> 
> 
> If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean 
> noone would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for 
> the trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, 
> down which road does that take them? :)
> 
> 
> Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all 
> the sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the 
> machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is 
> that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till 
> things have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even 
> can pull the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen 
> no announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. 
> Too sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they 
> actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the 
> newest technologies out there.
> 
> 
> Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to 
> be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a 
> cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, 
> but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, 
> and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You 
> will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a 
> Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the 
> list. Same with NVDA.
> 
> 
> Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you 
> compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware 
> store either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be 
> that people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they 
> used. It might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read 
> about, the different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe 
> some developers would be able to come up with more cross-platform like 
> solutions. Of course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, 
> or those for Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. 
> Or, at least, it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if 
> there could be a place for developers to go, and pick up articles and 
> tutorials for how to build apps under different environments, this 
> could be yet another way of encouraging more new apps and features to 
> see the market, under any of the screen readers covered.
> 
> 
> Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the 
> 

RE: updated all of my 35 apps

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Charles I totally agree with you

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:20 PM
To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps

Honestly when they decided to discontinue Window-eyes they already said it all. 
Window-eyes in their minds is gone and the only reason for its existance is to 
act as a vehicle to gain more users for Jaws. Why is it so hard to find scripts 
for Jaws? A lot of things are a lot more difficult with Jaws. It is very very 
sad all this has happened. Window-eyes outperforms Jaws on mlb.com and 
tunein.com and many other sites. Oh well, it is what it is, thanks for reading. 
Jaws does seem to work beter in some embedded players as far as reading 
controls. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:05 PM, David via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the 
> final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will 
> turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they 
> still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people 
> actually make use of them.
> 
> 
> If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean 
> noone would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for 
> the trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, 
> down which road does that take them? :)
> 
> 
> Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all 
> the sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the 
> machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is 
> that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till 
> things have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even 
> can pull the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen 
> no announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. 
> Too sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they 
> actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the 
> newest technologies out there.
> 
> 
> Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to 
> be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a 
> cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, 
> but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, 
> and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You 
> will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a 
> Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the 
> list. Same with NVDA.
> 
> 
> Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you 
> compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware 
> store either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be 
> that people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they 
> used. It might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read 
> about, the different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe 
> some developers would be able to come up with more cross-platform like 
> solutions. Of course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, 
> or those for Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. 
> Or, at least, it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if 
> there could be a place for developers to go, and pick up articles and 
> tutorials for how to build apps under different environments, this 
> could be yet another way of encouraging more new apps and features to 
> see the market, under any of the screen readers covered.
> 
> 
> Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the 
> end-date of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny 
> feeling we might not see the list servers upp running, all that much 
> longer. OK, they might be using external servers, but I don't know if 
> there is a subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, 
> likely it won't be kept alive.
> 
> 
> If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. 
> My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and 
> suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out 
> of the existing situation.
> 
> 
>> On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote:
>> I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set 
>> it up.
>> I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It 
>> could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a 
>> new Window-eyes list, etc.
>> Jeff Weiss
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: John Farley
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM
>> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps
>> 
>> Dear Jeff,
>> 
>> Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as 

RE: updated all of my 35 apps

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Very sad what is happening and has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps

I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps.  From 
the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed.
Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary 
termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using.
I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates 
will be approved.
Jeff Weiss



From: Bryan Carver 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com 
Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps

Hi Jeff,

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be 
posting any further updates for apps.

 

Best Regards,

Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified

VFO™ | Director Technical Support

11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026

bcar...@vfogroup.com

www.vfogroup.com

How am I doing?  Let

Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know!

 

 

From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM
To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps

 

I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on 
App Central.  It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I 
seen the updated apps come out.  I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any 
error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired.  Please 
allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem.

Thanks,

Jeff Weiss

jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net

 

 

 

 

From: Jeff Weiss 

Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM

To: wesupp...@aisquared.com 

Subject: updated all of my 35 apps

 

I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work.  

Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home 
email address.

The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows:

 

AppsActive

version 2.3

 

AssertiveChristian

Version 1.1

 

BrailleQuiz

Version 1.7

 

BrowseModeStatus

version 1.3

 

Celebrate 

Version 1.1

 

Christmas

version 1.3

 

DailyBlessings

version 2.0

 

DailyProverbs

version 1.3

 

Daily Psalms

version 1.1

 

EasterBlessing

version 1.1

 

ErrorList

version 1.7

 

FreeSpace

version 1.8

 

GivingThanks

version 1.1

 

GodsValentine

version 1.4

 

Happiness 

Version 1.1

 

HushNow

version 1.4

 

LunarLander

version 1.4

 

MissionImpossible

version 1.5

 

MusicMenu

Version 1.6

 

OutlookSaveAllAttachments

version 1.3

 

PlayBack

version 1.6

 

PrayerForTheDay

version 1.4

 

PrimeNumbers

version 1.2

 

PromisesOfGod

version 1.4

 

RefreshSets

version 1.4

 

RomanNumerals

version 1.4

 

ScriptComments

version 1.1

 

Spelling Practice 

Version 1.1

 

SpellingTest

version 1.7

 

StatesGame

version 1.5

 

TextToClip

version 1.8

 

TwelveGifts

version 1.4

 

WEHotkeys

version 1.5

 

WEPMInfo

version 1.5

 

WordScramble

version 1.7

 

Thanks,

Jeff Weiss

jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net
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RE: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yes.  Gloating in a derisive manner is unacceptable. There are people in the
recording industry, who still use reel-to-reel machines, and even DAT tape!
The reason is they like the old sound that those machines can give them.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:58 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

I agree totally.  All he does is bash bash, all negative.  He likely 
bows to jaws 2 or 3 times a day.   I still use window-eyes and so far it 
works on everything I use.  Maybe he works for VFO.
I for one am sad to see development stop on window-eyes, I don't need
someone shoving it down my throat and gloating about it.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 21 Jul 
2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

> Dennis,
> Why do you stay on this list? This answer or something similar is all you 
> post here. Obviously you can't wait for Window-Eyes to die. It's your
answer 
> to everything, even when there's a simple real answer that will fix the 
> problem. Haven't you anything better to do? Just curious.
> Tom
>
>
> On 7/21/2017 1:45 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>  As stated previous there will be issues with window eyes as programs and
>>  the
>>  windows operating system gets updates.  It will not be fixed.
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>>  [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>  On Behalf Of Ian Westerland via Talk
>>  Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:02 AM
>>  To: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>  Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  Hello.  I am not having the same issue but there has been a recent
>>  ThunderBird update.  The result of the update was that in order to read
>>  emails as usual, it was necessary to tab through all the fields until I
>>  was
>>  able to read.  It was as if Window Eyes and ThunderBird were out of
focus.
>>  In the last day or so, there has been another minor update to
ThunderBird
>>  and since this update Window Eyes has been reading as normal.
>>
>>  So, re-installing ThunderBird making sure the latest update is
downloaded
>>  might help fix the problem.
>>  Not sure why Window Eyes was affected and not NVDA.
>>
>>  Cheers.
>> 
>>
>>  Ian Westerland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  On 7/21/2017 1:15 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> >   Hi
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  On one of my computers, for some odd reason, Window-eyes 9.5 will not
>> >  read anything in the message list for Thunderbird, but it reads just
>> >  fine using NVDA and any other screenreader.  I naturally prefer
>> >  Window-eyes, so I'm not sure what might be causing this.  When
>> >  arrowing up and down in the list of messages, Window-eyes just doesn't
>>  read
>> >  anything at all.  It does with other screenreaders.   If anyone knows
>> >  what we can do to fix this that'd be supurb!
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  Thanks!
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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RE: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Correct Dennis. It would have been nice if Window-Eyes could have been
revived.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:45 PM
To: 'Ian Westerland'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

As stated previous there will be issues with window eyes as programs and the
windows operating system gets updates.  It will not be fixed.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Westerland via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:02 AM
To: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird



Hello.  I am not having the same issue but there has been a recent
ThunderBird update.  The result of the update was that in order to read
emails as usual, it was necessary to tab through all the fields until I was
able to read.  It was as if Window Eyes and ThunderBird were out of focus.
In the last day or so, there has been another minor update to ThunderBird
and since this update Window Eyes has been reading as normal.

So, re-installing ThunderBird making sure the latest update is downloaded
might help fix the problem.
Not sure why Window Eyes was affected and not NVDA.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland





On 7/21/2017 1:15 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>  Hi
> 
> 
> On one of my computers, for some odd reason, Window-eyes 9.5 will not 
> read anything in the message list for Thunderbird, but it reads just 
> fine using NVDA and any other screenreader.  I naturally prefer 
> Window-eyes, so I'm not sure what might be causing this.  When 
> arrowing up and down in the list of messages, Window-eyes just doesn't
read
> anything at all.  It does with other screenreaders.   If anyone knows 
> what we can do to fix this that'd be supurb!
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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RE: Two Jaws Questions

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Control and the number 2 is to open up the outlook calendar.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:47 AM
To: 'Ted Larson'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Two Jaws Questions

At last I have migrated to Jaws. I have to confess I'm not enjoying the
experience so far but realise I need to learn how to tweak some settings.

My first problem is that I don't like the speech! I strongly disliked the
default Eloquence and am using Peter at the moment but wondered which voices
people are using and feel are clearest.

I think it is going to be a long time before I will be able to say I prefer
Jaws to Windoweyes.

I hadn't realised that insert c to reach the Outlook Calendar was a
Window-eyes key.

How do I access the Outlook calendar using Jaws please?

 

Alison

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JAWS

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Pan. Sky here.  I remember, not too long ago, you menshened on the
list that their was a guy who wished you had JAWS.  Was he a vender.  That
comment he said that it was crazy, was a deliberate lie and one thing I
can't abide by is lies.

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RE: Behind in times.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Good luck. Although if this merger hadn't happened, Window-Eyes by now would
have had new braille support in it. They were going to strip out the braille
code and rewrite it from scratch and make braille more responsive

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: David Crowell via Talk
Subject: Re: Behind in times.

I would download the JAWS file with WE running.  As for the rest, am
procrastinating until I have to do it.  But took advantage of the offer as a
hedge.  Good luck.--Matthew Chao



On 7/15/2017 2:22 PM, David Crowell via Talk wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Well as always I have not yet migrated to JFW.  I always like to wait 
> awhile for people to get a new update or new screen reader before I 
> will give it a try.  I used to always do this with WE also because 
> ther are numerous bugs to be worked and so I wait until it is all in good
working order.
> 
> Anyway, I am going to finally download JFW today.  I am absolutely 
> terrified since I had tried JFW before when I called them and they 
> sent me a demo CD to give it a try.  I absolutely hated it and totally 
> forgot about JFW and continued with WE.  d
> 
> Now I have saved a lot of the tips in a folder that has been shared on 
> this sight but one thing I did not save or accidently deleted is how 
> to go about the JFW download.
> 
> I have the link for the migration saved on IE so I am ready there.
> What I am wondering is do I have toturn WE off to do the download or
> can I leave it on to help me make the choices I need to make while 
> downloading JFW?  I also have heard of different types of downloads 
> like home, professional, tandem.  Which is the best to use.  I assume 
> it will be home since I only have a home computer and do email, things 
> on the web and use Microsoft word.  If I understand I should go tandem 
> that way I can give FO access to my computer if I run into problems.
> 
> Any help for the behind the times user would be greatly appreciated.  
> Please also keep your fingers crossed I do not throw the computer out 
> the window if things go haywire.
> 
>   
> Dave
> 
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RE: longshot

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Did Doug Geoffray tell you he left VFO?
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: longshot

I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
days.
73
Butch
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:

> You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send
you 
> a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or
perhaps 
> you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under

> the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.
>
> good luck,
> hth
> brenda
>
> On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:
>>  Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
>>  now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is
there
>>  anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried
calling
>>  ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of
the
>>  old developers were still around. thanks
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RE: longshot

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

What's Doug Geoffray doing now?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: longshot

I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
days.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:

> You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send
you 
> a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or
perhaps 
> you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under

> the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.
>
> good luck,
> hth
> brenda
>
> On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:
>>  Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
>>  now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is
there
>>  anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried
calling
>>  ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of
the
>>  old developers were still around. thanks
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RE: Window-Eyes as a trend setter anda question

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Unfortunately, JAWS was and still is always the screen reader of choice for
voc rehab. Due to this, other products like Window-Eyes had a harder time of
getting to the top due to JAWS having the lead in the market.  The reason
why JAWS came into existence in the first place was that Ted Henter, who
originally developed it, found shortcomings in the other dos products.  He
used one called Vert but he found shortcomings in Vert so he got an investor
and he developed JAWS for dos and then for windows.  There are a lot of
people where I live who have never even tried Window-Eyes before. Some do
own it but the majority of them have always used JAWS right from the start
and they don't see the need to change screen readers. They probably might
stick with JAWS until the day they die.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 5:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes as a trend setter anda question

Good evening list

tonite I was surfing the Blind Tech Podcasts on my iPhone and came across a
very depressing one dated May 26 where they were talking about in with the
new and out with the old and how Window-eyes is no more. 
One of them stated words to the effect that VFO wanted everyone to use one
screen reader.  Also, mention was made of Jaws market share (my
words) in the voc rehab community.

I'm wondering if Window-Eyes will be the beginning of a trend where awesome
technology gets gobbled up and lost in the future.

I ask this because I'm toying with purchasing Sendero's Seeing Eye GPS-Xt
app.  Thing is, Sendero lists a bunch of companies they are somehow
affiliated with - and one of those companies is Hims which used to be
affiliated with GW.  Hims used to make the book Sense, but that has changed
into a product called, I think, Blaze, probably no more support for Book
Sense although, like W-E, it is probably still in use.

Hims-GW --  Window-eyes gone.  could Hims-Sendero mean the Seeing Eye GPs XT
app will be short lived?

This may seem like an off topic question, but being Window-Eyes loyal users
perhaps listers will best understand my concern and perhapsprovide me with
some input.  I'm a little leary of spending cash (even at the discounted
convention price) only to find my chosen technology disappear or left
unsupported in a few years.

I look forward to any feedback on or off list.

Brenda
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RE: Window-Eyes as a trend setter anda question

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Can you send me the URL for the blind tech podcast?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 5:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes as a trend setter anda question

Good evening list

tonite I was surfing the Blind Tech Podcasts on my iPhone and came across a
very depressing one dated May 26 where they were talking about in with the
new and out with the old and how Window-eyes is no more. 
One of them stated words to the effect that VFO wanted everyone to use one
screen reader.  Also, mention was made of Jaws market share (my
words) in the voc rehab community.

I'm wondering if Window-Eyes will be the beginning of a trend where awesome
technology gets gobbled up and lost in the future.

I ask this because I'm toying with purchasing Sendero's Seeing Eye GPS-Xt
app.  Thing is, Sendero lists a bunch of companies they are somehow
affiliated with - and one of those companies is Hims which used to be
affiliated with GW.  Hims used to make the book Sense, but that has changed
into a product called, I think, Blaze, probably no more support for Book
Sense although, like W-E, it is probably still in use.

Hims-GW --  Window-eyes gone.  could Hims-Sendero mean the Seeing Eye GPs XT
app will be short lived?

This may seem like an off topic question, but being Window-Eyes loyal users
perhaps listers will best understand my concern and perhapsprovide me with
some input.  I'm a little leary of spending cash (even at the discounted
convention price) only to find my chosen technology disappear or left
unsupported in a few years.

I look forward to any feedback on or off list.

Brenda
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RE: trying to update Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Its Similar to the remote access function in Window-Eyes.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:37 PM
To: 'Butch Bussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws

Tandam is the tool where you can remote into other peoples computers using
JAWS.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws

I must have missed something.  What is "tandom" version?
On Fri, 14 Jul
2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

> The check for updates will be available if you have jaws with tandom.  
> I had the non tandom version of jaws.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tony C
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:51 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws
>
>   Hi, That's weird, I just went and looked and I have the check for 
> updates unders the help menu in Jaws...
>
> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:29 AM
> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws
>
> IN my case, having the non tandom version, the check for updates was 
> not available.  Now that I now have the tandom version, the check for 
> updates is available.
>
> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:20 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws
>
> Are you saying that if I have the choice in help to check for updates, 
> that I do indeed have the tandem version?
>
> On 7/13/2017 8:12 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>>  I had to remove the non tandom version of jaws and install the 
>> tandom  version.  All is working as it should.  Inow have the option 
>> to check for  updates.
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:04 AM
>>  To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>  Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws
>>
>>  Maybe your not waiting enough.
>>  My update installed perfectly yesterday.
>>
>>  Pastor Gil
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>  On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:49 AM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Subject: trying to update Jaws
>>
>>  Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through 
>> Help,  check for updates. It reported an update and I went through 
>> the procedure  of  updating, it reported starting download and stayed 
>> at zero percent. Tried  it  twice and gave up. Never had this problem 
>> with wineyes in 20 years. I'll  just wait until fall's major update.
>> Anyhow, Jaws is my last choice, I use  wineyes, then NVDA before 
>> using Jaws!
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RE: trying to update Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Tandam is the tool where you can remote into other peoples computers using
JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws

I must have missed something.  What is "tandom" version?
On Fri, 14 Jul
2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

> The check for updates will be available if you have jaws with tandom.  
> I had the non tandom version of jaws.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tony C
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:51 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws
>
>   Hi, That's weird, I just went and looked and I have the check for 
> updates unders the help menu in Jaws...
>
> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:29 AM
> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws
>
> IN my case, having the non tandom version, the check for updates was 
> not available.  Now that I now have the tandom version, the check for 
> updates is available.
>
> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:20 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: trying to update Jaws
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> Are you saying that if I have the choice in help to check for updates, 
> that I do indeed have the tandem version?
>
> On 7/13/2017 8:12 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>>  I had to remove the non tandom version of jaws and install the 
>> tandom  version.  All is working as it should.  Inow have the option 
>> to check for  updates.
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:04 AM
>>  To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>  Subject: RE: trying to update Jaws
>>
>>  Maybe your not waiting enough.
>>  My update installed perfectly yesterday.
>>
>>  Pastor Gil
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk 
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>>  On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:49 AM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Subject: trying to update Jaws
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>>  Well, yesterday I tried updating Jaws to it's latest release through 
>> Help,  check for updates. It reported an update and I went through 
>> the procedure  of  updating, it reported starting download and stayed 
>> at zero percent. Tried  it  twice and gave up. Never had this problem 
>> with wineyes in 20 years. I'll  just wait until fall's major update. 
>> Anyhow, Jaws is my last choice, I use  wineyes, then NVDA before 
>> using Jaws!
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RE: jaws list

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Pan.  That was because in the 1990's, Henter-Joyce, now called VFO,
sued any state agencies who did not purchase JAWS to either buy JAWS or be
sued.  Originally, When the earlier screen readers were coming out, the VR
counsollers said they would start out offering all of the screen readers,
such as Artic, Widow-Eyes, Window Bridge, etc to clients, but then they'd
end up pushing everybody towards JAWS because they weren't able to really
support all of them and these VR professionals were still worried about
being sued by HJ so it was a combination of the lawsuits that HJ filed
around that got them using JAWS and only JAWS.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:25 PM
To: Charles Adkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws list

That's interesting; because back in the late 1980s, and 1990, when they
first were going to give me stuff, they tried me out on everything they had
to see which one would work the best for me.  The second time I was going to
get equipment from the commission, I asked about the evaluation, and I was
basically told, there is nothing to evaluate you on; you get what you get. 
Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:05 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws list

There  was a time when I was thinking about being a Window-eyes distributor.

I was amazed at how many rehab people, companies, and even people wouldn't
even look at Window-eyes. Councelors thought the idea of maybe letting
clients look at both products and making their own choice was a foriegn
concept. Amazingly enough the fact that Window-eyes did cost less didn't
even interest anyone. I could do stuff on the web with Window-eyes Jaws
users told me was impossible.

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> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
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> Yes JAWS is bloted and they're coming out with a new version, called 2018.
> Honestly Window-Eyes should had been the one to get the contracts in 
> the agencies, not JAWS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robin via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:35 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: jaws list
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> what's the address for the jaws list.
> what a bloted program jaws is.
> Cheers Robin.
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