Re: Spam filter

[Brian Clark]

Hi Joseph,

@ 7:19:00 PM on 11/14/2001, Joseph N. wrote:

JN> What is the concept behind filtering for spam?

This has been answered somewhat, but for the record:




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Re: still can't find info on syncing addressbook (TB/Palm)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Roberto,

@ 5:16:51 PM on 10/30/01, Roberto Machorro wrote:

RM> No harm done ;) So I guess the obvious question now is: What kind
RM> of file format does TB's address book have?? I might be able to
RM> write a conduit that takes the Palm's addressbook and syncs it
RM> with TB's addressbook. That will certainly make things very nice
RM> :) If I'm not mistaken the data files are .ABD

I believe so. Someone else will have to verify that, and they don't
appear to be in plain text though. You can, however, open your Address
Book, highlight an entry and Ctrl+C to copy it in LDIF format. Copy
one and paste it into a text file to see what I mean.

-Brian

P.S. If you want to get rid of the [n] in your reply's subject (but
you certainly don't have to), you can place %SingleRe some where in
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Re: still can't find info on syncing addressbook (TB/Palm)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Roberto,

@ 4:19:11 PM on 10/29/2001, Roberto Machorro wrote:

RM> I searched through all of the "=". I only found how to sync e-mail
RM> with the Palm, which I had already done. But no sign on how to
RM> sync with the Addressbook.

Sorry I couldn't help you more on that; I guess my mail turned out to
not be very helpful AND turned out to be possibly insulting. I hope I
didn't ruin your day. I really didn't mean to.

I've used Palm before, but I've never really been that deep into it.

RM> On a side note, I liked the system (BrainStorm) used for arranging
RM> all of the information.

One of our moderators, Marck D. Pearlstone, is responsible for the FAQ
and the software that produces it. He should be applauded for all of
his hard work, indeed. :-) I could not imagine how much time he's
spent helping all of us on- and off-list. (Let's not forget many many
others! Hopefully you'll get a chance to get to know them if you get
to know TB!.)

RM> So, I appoligize for messing up ;) the list. I thought that just
RM> changing the subject would be enough to start a new thread, looks
RM> like TB is smarter than that :)

Yep. :-) Most email clients (RFC friendly ones, at least) use
In-Reply-To and References headers to do that sort of thing. Use the
key combination Ctrl+Shift+K, or go to View -> RFC-822 headers, and
have a look at the "Kludges."

If there's something you're wanting to do and you can't figure it out,
ask the list because chances are it can be done. I haven't really
wanted for much since I started using TB! last October.

-Brian


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Re: Form post behaviour

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 5:10:49 AM on 10/28/2001, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

BC>> Anyway, I created a form with the action
BC>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=foo,

  
  Oops. I meant to let you know I tried it
  without the subject and it gave me the
  same result ("subject" error in the log).
  
MDP> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"; ENCTYPE="Text/Plain" 
METHOD=POST>

Yep, still got the same result with the above cut and pasted exactly
as shown - still the *boink* with flashing Connection Centre and it
was stuck in the Outbox without a subject. The log still says:

!10/28/2001, 16:49:32: SEND  - Message from , subject "", is not properly addressed

I would think it's IE problem since you're getting different results?
I'm using IE 5.50.4522.1800CO to be exact.

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Re: Address book and Palm Addressbook data sharing

[Brian Clark]

Hi Roberto,

@ 5:08:26 PM on 10/27/2001, Roberto Machorro wrote:

RM> Is it possible to sync The Bat's addressbook with Palm's
RM> addressbook? I have no problem syncing, receiving and sending
RM> e-mail, using the mail conduit. Just don't want to type in every
RM> address twice.



Check out the top of the page. :-)

Lots of other goodies here:


RM> Many thanks!

No problem.

While we're writing..

I can't stand pointing this out, but please start a new thread (a new
message) when asking a question. You didn't even bother a trim off
someone else's reply to someone else's question. :-\

When you hit reply and changed the subject, your message appeared in
the middle of another conversation. For example:

[-]- Form post behaviour
 +-[-]- Re: Form post behaviour
 ...
+-[-]- Re: Form post behaviour
   |-- Re: Form post behaviour
   +-- Address book and Palm Addressbook data sharing

To see what I mean, have a look at your message list and go to

 View -> View Threads By -> References

Or simply hit Alt+1 (Alt+0 to return).

Happy Trails,
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Re: Form post behaviour

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 1:28:01 PM on 10/27/2001, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP>>> handled by TB and sent immediately. *However*, the connection
MDP>>> centre comes straight back up with a non-existent event with
MDP>>> nothing to send requiring an "Abort task" to get rid of it.

Hmm, I see what you meant now (not that error, but IE and TB!).

Anyway, I created a form with the action
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=foo, filled out the form, hit submit,
IE notified me blah blah, then I heard *boink* while the Connection
Centre flashed on and off, message was stuck in Outbox, and the log
said:

!10/27/2001, 20:09:30: SEND  - Message from , subject "", is not properly addressed

I take it that's not supposed to happen. :-$

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Re: Form post behaviour

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 4:57:00 AM on 10/27/2001, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> I talking about HTML Forms which use the Action="POST" method for
MDP> submission so that data is sent from the client

Don't you mean method="POST"?

MDP> via email rather than collected by cgi-bin or server side
MDP> scripting.

Do you mean with action="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";?

MDP> An email is created and sent when you hit the "Send" button on
MDP> the form on an HTML page.

As far as the original message:

MDP> When clicking sent on POST style forms (using IE5), the POST is
MDP> handled by TB and sent immediately. *However*, the connection
MDP> centre comes straight back up with a non-existent event with
MDP> nothing to send requiring an "Abort task" to get rid of it.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.. I've never seen an
HTML form produce a message in TB! *and* make it immediately send.

What are you trying to do?

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Re: SSL Authentication?

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jeff,

@ 12:44:26 PM on 10/2/2001, Jeff Worley wrote:

JW> I am trying to hit my e-amil server from work through a LAN and
JW> keep getting a connection failure. The technician from ATT
JW> Worldnet said I needed SSL authentication to connect. Is there any
JW> way to do this with TB?

I don't think so. This has been on the Wish List for a long time, I
believe. We had a discussion a long time ago (check the archives)
about using stunnel (server-side), but would only be of any use to
those who administer their own mail server(s).

In the Transport \ Authentication section of your account properties,
several options are listed (APOP, too, which is widely used).

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Re: outrage

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hi Spaz,

@ 9:32:33 PM on 9/26/2001, Spaz wrote:

d> Dear TheBat Administrator,

This is the address you want to send your request to:

Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

d> So,whut!? U wanna play game with me?! Kick me outta it
d> or I'm gonna sue U 911 AmeriKan most wanted!

I can barely understand this. I don't know whether to forward
it to the FBI, or try to decrypt it with one of the PGP plugins.

Nevertheless, my guess is that 90% of the people subscribed to this
list don't live in the United States, and most, if not all, of the the
moderators don't live in the United States. The server isn't even in
the United States. The people that own the hardware don't even live in
the United States. In other words, +#3y'r3 No+ 4/\/\3r1c4n.

Roxor on,
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Re: The Bat on The Penguin

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Hi Allie, Matt,

@ 7:26:52 PM on 8/29/2001, Allie C Martin wrote:

MC> Has anyone heard if there's any progress porting TB! to Linux?

- --(snip)--
ACM> The last thing was that for them to even consider porting it, the
ACM> porting of Delphi to Linux would have to happen. I think it has,
ACM> nuh?

ACM> If it has, then I guess there has to be enough potential buyers
ACM> on the Linux side to make it worth their while?

I wouldn't hold your breath :-) Judging by the release, err, of TB!
version 2 and the fact that, probably, not many Linux users would
purchase it, I'd take a while guess and say that it probably won't
happen. It's not that Linux users wouldn't think it's worthy, but I'm
sure they'd scream for the source. Or, something.

Many people have claimed that TB! runs great under WINE (I think) and
Win4Lin.

I have yet to try that..

Also a Debian user,
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Ritlabs SecureBat! - suggestions

[Brian Clark]

Hello Ritlabs SecureBat! developers,

  I'm using Ritlabs SecureBat! Version 1.53bis/iKey1000
  Serial Number  0266E-08A55
  under Windows 98 4.10 Build   A .

  There are some features I would like to see in your program:

A hot-key assigned to Show/Hide connection center.

Some people, like myself, may have connection center always on
hide. When there is a problem (For example, I can't close the
application when it's trying to connect to a mail server that
cannot be reached), I have to:

1) Go to Options -> Preferences
2) Select Always from the list.
3) Hit OK.
4) Hit Abort.

Then, when the problem has corrected itself, later, go through the
same process to hide it once again.

A Show/Hide toggle shortcut would make this process *much* easier.

Unless, of course, I've overlooked an existing shortcut?

Regards,
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Re: url's not clickable in quoted text

[Brian Clark]

Hi Joseph,

@ 12:23:49 PM on 6/6/2001, Joseph McDonald wrote:

JM> Has anyone noticed that URL's are not clickable in quoted text? Is
JM> this a bug, or a setting somewhere?

No, I believe the functionality just isn't there. I've asked for this
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Re: (No Subject)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Peter,

@ 6:11:59 PM on 5/29/2001, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

--(snip)--
PP> %QUOTE=""

PP> *G* ... who would have thought THIS? *grin*

I know, same here. Personally, I wouldn't do it that way though. If I
*HAD* to do it, I'd use letters and punctuation. Also, "(No Subject)"
doesn't give us any indication of what the topic might be. The
appropriate thing to do in this case would have been to simply leave
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Re: Folder templates

[Brian Clark]

Hi Ottar,

@ 10:50:31 AM on 5/29/2001, Ottar Grimstad wrote:

--(snip)--
BC>> It'll almost make you detest ezmlm.

OG> ezmlm ??

Yeah, sorry. @:) Stands for Easy Mailing List Manager (I think). It
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Re: Folder templates

[Brian Clark]

Hi Ottar,

@ 5:32:41 PM on 5/28/2001, Ottar Grimstad wrote:

OG>   I just discovered why folder templates could be dangerous.
--(snip)--

Indeed. Join the club. :))

It'll almost make you detest ezmlm.

(I still use a few though, and I've been bitten once)

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Re: (No Subject)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Sven,

@ 8:06:58 PM on 5/19/01, Sven Reichelt wrote:




Sometimes I feel that way, too.

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Re: SecureBat !

[Brian Clark]

Hi Ryan,

@ 10:16:30 AM on 5/10/2001, Ryan Phillips wrote:

...
RP> There is no security in obscurity.

I'm quite familiar with that phrase, and I've used it myself on more
than one occasion. But, that's just how the iKey works, sorry.

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Re: SecureBat !

[Brian Clark]

Hi Ryan,

@ 1:16:15 AM on 5/10/2001, Ryan Phillips wrote:

...
T>> You want to sell The Bat! to the CIA or KGB or so?

RP> hehe. No, but anyone in a workplace could steal your key, open it
RP> up, break into your secret keys, and take all your information.
RP> Doesn't make sense.

I think the idea here is to take the iKey with you..  If you're
going to leave it plugged in while you're away, there's really no
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Re: Guide to GnuPG and the Bat?

[Brian Clark]

Hi Kiyan,

@ 4:19:11 AM on 5/6/2001, Kiyan Azarbar wrote:

KA> Is there a good FAQ out there that explains, step by step, how to
KA> set up GnuPG on Win32 and integrate it with the Bat? Well, I
KA> imagine that last bit is probably unlikely since 1.52c just
KA> "Shipped" yesterday.

Yes, you can join PGP-Basics, which has a How-To graciously provided
by one of the PGP-Basics founders, Nick Andriash. You can subscribe to
PGP-Basics here:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGP-Basics>

If you join, you'll find the How-To in the Files section of the list
home page.

If you don't really care for subscribing, I can send you the How-To
privately, but the list really is a valuable resource (even for
experienced PGP users).

KA> Anyway, I tried to download gnupg and gnupgshell, but no matter
KA> what I do it doesn't respect the directory I'm trying to get it to
KA> use for keys and such.

I *think* the catch is that you you must use C:\gnupg as your
installation directory in order to get them to work happily
together.

KA> Is The Bat's support for OpenPGP any good? As in, is it based on
KA> PGP/MIME rather than just ramming ascii armor text into a message,
KA> which is quite ugly?

TB! Doesn't support PGP/MIME yet, but IIRC it's a planned addition.

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Re: PGP with 1.52c

[Brian Clark]

Hi Nick,

@ 7:44:06 PM on 5/5/2001, Nick Andriash wrote:

...
BC>> Yes, I reported this a few weeks ago. Maxim stated that this is
BC>> now the desired behavior, but, IMO, it's not desired. It's really
BC>> aggravating.

NA> The 'feature' is something Maxim calls "Smart Matching", but I
NA> agree with you Brian that it's a very big source of aggravation,
NA> and something Max should revisit.

IMHO, I feel as if "Smart Matching" best describes its former state.
Now, it's forcing me to change address book entries and manually pick
out keys while using what is supposed to be a seamless plug-in. Surely
this can be some sort of option in TB!'s plugin options called "Use
strict key matching" or something along those lines. Maybe then
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Re: PGP with 1.52c

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Hi Request,

@ 4:22:26 PM on 5/5/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
rbfcu> For example in the AB I have someone named Joe Bloggs who's email is
rbfcu> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . In PGP keys this person's key is shown as Joe
rbfcu> Bloggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

...
rbfcu> Does all that make sense? :)

Yes, I reported this a few weeks ago. Maxim stated that this is now
the desired behavior, but, IMO, it's not desired. It's really
aggravating.

...
rbfcu> P.S. The names and email/domain addresses in the above text are
rbfcu> made up and are not meant to represent any individual/s or
rbfcu> company.

You can use example.com which is controlled by Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority. I remember seeing this as a "standard" somewhere,
but I can't find out if that is actually a fact. Anyway, that's what I
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Re: Feature Request

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 4:49:09 AM on 5/4/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
BC>> But I really wish it could. I asked for this same feature a few
BC>> weeks ago. :(

T> How? By PM to the developers?

Yes. I think my first may have been carbon copied to the Beta list,
but I can't remember. I believe I got a reply from Alexander
Leschinsky.

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Re: The wish list (was: Auto-expand messages lists ?)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Karin,

@ 7:50:48 AM on 5/3/2001, Karin Spaink wrote:

...
KS> It's still there: http://www.konstantin-online.de/bat/

And there I was asking about that a few months ago. The link was
broken in the FAQ, so many of us just assumed it'd vanished. :)

I hope the authors are still(?) using it.

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Re: Feature Request

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Hi Thomas,

@ 12:02:04 AM on 5/4/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T> Quite some people have requested this feature, and shall be
T> introduced at one time or another. We think. ;-)

According to the authors, they say it won't (can't?) be done. But I
really wish it could. I asked for this same feature a few weeks ago.
:(

JP>> The Bat! is awesome. 

T> It is, isn't it?

Very much so!

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Re: The Bat!-GUI question

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Hi Silviu,

@ 4:52:51 AM on 5/1/2001, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

SC> On my comp it takes about 5s to fire up the editor. Is this the
SC> case on your PCs too?

How fast is your machine? (that's not an insult) TheBat! is probably
the fastest application on this machine and the editor opens lightning
fast. My processor is mid-range to slow (depending on who you talk to)
these days, PII 400, but I have a lot of ram and very very fast disks.
If the editor is taking 3 to 5 seconds to open, I tend to think that's
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Re: Bringing newsgroup and mailing lists messages together

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Hi Jan,

@ 4:30:25 AM on 5/1/2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

...
Nick>> Xnews is a terrific (free) News Reader, and I highly recommend
Nick>> it.

JR>   Got a URL for us?

In case Nick is snoozing, as I will be shortly:

baseurl: http://xnews.3dnews.net/
beta: http://xnews.3dnews.net/test/

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Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...

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Hi Ben,

@ 11:13:36 PM on 4/28/01, Ben Mills wrote:

...
BM> Get off your high horse! Many of us don't make a profession of
BM> reading all the posts that come through these lists, and I happen
BM> to be one of them!

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That's in the footer of every message to the list. Although, I do
understand that there is a lot of information that is rather hard to
dig up from archives.

...
BM> Oh! If you really wish to save bandwidth...I suggest you dump that
BM> bloated signature. I couldn't care less what patched-up OS you're
BM> using.

Marck's signature is actually only three lines, but, as a moderator,
he PGP signs his messages to the list (the same can be said for
Allie). There have been quite a few impersonators on this list in the
past.

Like it or not, what they say, in moderator mode, is the law of the
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Re: Updating (was:Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work)

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Hi Sergeant Thomas,

@ 2:15:09 AM on 4/25/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
BC>> It seems as if that were true (DLL and Registry entries needing
BC>> to be updated), that we'd be having big problems moving through
BC>> all of these betas that only come packed with a new executable.

T> Wrong. The betas need only the executable, otherwise Max or Stefan
T> will announce on the beta list that we have to download additional
T> files.

OK, then that needs to be made perfectly clear some where - on either
the release download page, or especially on the Beta page when a
release is made. I haven't read any messages from Max or Stefan about
the need to install the full release again.

T> I was talking about release versions. When a release version comes
T> out, always use do a full install or don't be surprised about
T> errors, or missing info from the help file, or the like.

T> Now I've said it three times within one day. If that's not enough,
T> I'm sorry. I won't repeat it anytime soon.

Good, then let someone with a little more patience answer questions
from now on and you won't have to.

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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

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Hi Thomas,

@ 9:05:29 PM on 4/24/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
BC>> When you upgraded to the newest release, did you use the full
BC>> install package or did you just grab the lone executable?

T> I think this is your problem. Whenever a new release comes out, you
T> have to do the full install. This will bring your help file (and
T> others, like DLL's or reg entries) up to speed, too.

It seems as if that were true (DLL and Registry entries needing to be
updated), that we'd be having big problems moving through all of these
betas that only come packed with a new executable. I can understand
the help file updates, but I haven't had (crossing fingers) really any
problems at all. Every Beta I've used has been quite stable.

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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

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Hi Jan,

@ 9:20:28 PM on 4/24/2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

...
JR>   From the Help Menu
JR>   Help Topics -> Contetns -> Message Template ->
JR>   The Complete List of Template Macros

Yep, that's the place.

JR> NoSignComplete is nestled between 'signcomplete' &
JR> 'encryptcomplete'.

Nope, not in mine. :\

Brian>> When you upgraded to the newest release, did you use the full install
Brian>> package or did you just grab the lone executable?

JR>   I think I used the executable.

Same here. The only full install I've done is the original 1.47
version I downloaded. Since, I've just worked my way through the
Betas (single executable).

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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

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Hi Jan,

@ 8:03:59 PM on 4/24/2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

...
JR>   Honestly, I think you are using a later version of TB! than I am.

Yes, because you were one of the first people I talked to on TBUDL
when I entered the game around 1.47 Halloween. And you say this is in
the "Template Macros" page? That makes three times I've looked for
%NoSignComplete on that page, and that time I think I read each line
twice.  Strange..

When you upgraded to the newest release, did you use the full install
package or did you just grab the lone executable?

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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

[Brian Clark]

Hi Jan,

@ 7:28:33 PM on 4/24/2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

...
Brian>> Is there actually a macro called %NoSignComplete? If it is, it must be
Brian>> new because I don't see it in the help file

JR>   From the help file "template macros"

JR> NOSIGNCOMPLETE - message editor only – disables automatic signing
JR> of a message if it was selected by the %SIGNCOMPLETE macro, using
JR> the default settings or manually with the menu option

My help file doesn't mention that macro. It only shows %SignComplete
and %EncryptComplete

I take it the help file has been updated. There's no telling what else
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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

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Hi Dierk,

@ 3:47:09 AM on 4/24/2001, Dierk Haasis wrote:

...
BC>>> Is there actually a macro called %NoSignComplete? If it is, it
BC>>> must be new because I don't see it in the help file with the
BC>>> other PGP related

DH> I don't think it is that new. And it is in the help file.

*shrug* Has the help file been updated? That macro isn't in the help
file version I have. :\ The only other documentation I have on macros
is a saved message from TBUDL quite a while ago listing the new AB
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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

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@ 2:43:22 AM on 4/24/2001, Brian Clark wrote:

...
BC> Is there actually a macro called %NoSignComplete? If it is, it must be
BC> new because I don't see it in the help file with the other PGP related

.."macros"

BC> (yes, I know the help file macros is ancient history.. ).

Make that, "(yes, I know the help file is ancient history.. )."

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Re: %NOSIGNCOMPLETE won't work

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Hi Peter,

@ 2:32:33 AM on 4/24/2001, Peter Meyns wrote:

...
PM> I have set my account properties to PGP-sign all my messages. Now
PM> there's a mailing list I'm participating in where signatures are
PM> not wanted. I entered %NOSIGNCOMPLETE in the templates of that
PM> particular folder, but to no result. I still have to remove the
PM> checkmark "Sign when completed" in "Privacy" manually. What have I
PM> missed?

Is there actually a macro called %NoSignComplete? If it is, it must be
new because I don't see it in the help file with the other PGP related
(yes, I know the help file macros is ancient history.. ).

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Re: PGP advice

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Hi Nick,

@ 9:07:40 PM on 4/20/2001, Nick Andriash wrote:

...
NA> However, from what I've read, there is a current problem with the
NA> PGP Plugin (which *had* worked nicely with both NAI and the CKT
NA> builds of PGP) surfacing in the latest Beta's. I see you are using
NA> Beta 7. :o(

The plug-ins work with the latest betas. There's just a small pain in
the rear for me as a keyboard-person, rather than a mouse-person (and
that small bug should be corrected regardless, though). But everything
is still functioning just fine, AFAIK.

...
NA> The CKT version is more feature rich than the NAI offering, and
NA> includes (but is not limited to) a greater choice of Symmteric
NA> Algorithms and I do believe offers PGP Disk.

Yep, it does offer PGP Disk. :)

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SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Greetings TB! Users,

In case any of your aren't on BugTraq (likely for the majority?), this
was sent in a while ago.

I haven't attached the original file attachment for obvious reasons,
so if anyone is interested in it, I can send it to any of you
privately. Note the work-around towards the bottom.

(I'm hoping this has already been addressed in the latest Betas.)

- -Brian

==
Subject: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat!  bug
 Author: 3APA3A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Dated: Wednesday, April 18, 2001
  Files: badmess.zip
==


There  is more fun then security impact in this issue, but it's a kind
of DoS and can give a lot of headache to postmasters.

=---8<--

SECURITY.NNOV URL: http://www.security.nnov.ru
Topic:  The Bat!  bug
Application:The Bat! 1.51 (latest)
Vendor: RitLabs
Category:   Denial of Service
Risk Factor:Low
Remote: Yes
Vendor Contacted:   13.04.2001
Software URL:  http://www.thebat.net
Vendor URL:http://www.ritlabs.com

+Introduction:

 The  Bat!  Is  very  convenient commercially available MUA for Windows
 with lot of features.

+Details:

 While  RETRiving  message  via  POP3  (IMAP  isn't  tested)  The Bat!
 incorrectly  processes  0x0D  (CR)  character if it's not followed by
 0x0A (LF). The Bat! incorrectly calculates end of the message and the
 part  of message is treated as reply from POP3 server. The Bat! fails
 to  receive  the  rest  of  the messages and fails to delete received
 messages  from server. This leads to DoS against user's POP3 account.
 Malformed message can emulate any POP3 server replies.

+Exploitation:

 Extract attached "badmessage" and send it, e.g. using

   cat badmessage | sendmail -U [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 or copy it to user's mailbox.
 This message causes The Bat! to show something like:

   !13.04.2001, 17:51:01: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: --ERR Wrong 
User: replace user with your system administrator--

 message is crafted to do not contain this text somewhere in the body.

+Workaround:

 use  "Dispatch  Mail  on  Server" feature to delete malformed message
 from server or use different MUA.


+Solution:

 No yet.

+Vendor:

 RitLabs  was  contacted  on April, 13 (happy Easter to you, guys). No
 feedback yet.

This  advisory  is being provided to you under RFPolicy v.2 documented
at http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/policy.html.


- --
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{ . . } |\
+--oQQo->{ ^ }<-+ \
|  3APA3A  U  3APA3A   }
+-o66o--+ /
|/
You know my name - look up my number (The Beatles)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 04)
Comment: Not at this time, thanks.

iQA/AwUBOt/ES7Wi5fvk0MfIEQJHsgCg/hXURBN3sxkI/Ke4syW9nE1E8BIAoIBZ
CKg3PsDi2Gpaa1yE5RU0s3Xt
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Re: Digest (04/18/2001 13:58) Special Issue (#2001-989)

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Hi azrael,

@ 11:48:16 AM on 4/19/2001, azrael wrote:

...
a> Some problems I see here are apparently only fixed by giving up
a> digest mode which I can't do. The Bat is just one of my interests.

I can understand that. Then I would just go ahead and change the
subject to reflect the original thread's topic. You might want to make
a note, after doing that, that you're in digest mode, etc etc., so
people don't give you the "You broke the thread!" speech. :)

a> I understand others place a great deal of importance on threading
a> and I respect their needs. When I feel better I'll play with the
a> settings and see what I can pick up.

Yep, well the only big deal about it is that sometimes someone answers
a question, you don't see the reply out-of-thread message that
provided an answer, then you go ahead and answer - only to find out 15
minutes later that you re-hashed out what someone's already explained.

That usually doesn't happen on these lists though.

I hope you feel better! Being sick stinks. :(

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Re: Problem with Macromedia and TheBat

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Hi Alberto,

@ 3:17:02 AM on 4/19/2001, Alberto Almagioni wrote:

AA> I have some problem using Macromedia Fireworks 4 Or Macromedia Flash 5
AA> when the Bat is working and this happens on two different machine:
AA> does some has the same problem?

No problem with Fireworks and TB! here.

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Re: Digest (04/18/2001 23:36) Special Issue (#2001-991)

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Hi azrael,

@ 9:44:43 PM on 4/18/2001, azrael wrote:

Marck>> Replying to a digest doesn't actually help anyone at all. In
Marck>> fact, the truth is that digest mode is okay for lurking and
Marck>> reading up but useless for anyone intending to contribute or
Marck>> have conversations. MIME digests work well for this but they
Marck>> aren't available on our servers.

a> Useless and no help or inconvenient for threading? I'd still like
a> to ask questions but I devote my mail client to one forum or list.
a> It would overwhelm the manner I use a mail client.

Both, actually. It breaks the threading and it changes the subject to
something like "Re: Digest (04/18/2001 23:36) Special Issue
(#2001-991)" which means absolutely nothing to the reader. We have to
open it and start reading to figure out if we want to bother reading
it in the first place (see: Useless and of no help).

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Re: can't delete text with del key anymore

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 wasn't planning on replying to this because I really don't have an
 answer, but since I made a moron of myself, I'd better write
 something.)

Hi André,

@ 1:15:55 AM on 4/18/2001, André Engelhardt wrote:

...
AE>  this is pretty weird and I have no idea what causes this behavior:

Yes that is pretty weird. I've never seen this in TB!.

AE> I can't delete text in the Editor through the del key anymore.
AE> Only way to delete text is by selecting it, right click and
AE> selecting del from the menu.

Anything abnormal going on? For example, has it been a week since
you've rebooted? Installed any software lately? Uninstalled any
software lately?

AE> I noticed that in the dialogue that pops up on right click there
AE> is no key-command shown for the delete command.

You'll only get that if you select text first. That's normal (but you
should be able to hit the Del key and have it delete characters or
white-space, of course).

AE> Thanks in advance Sorry if this is a stupid question I first
AE> wasn't even sure if I'd post it! :-(

Doesn't sound stupid to me at all. I'd have asked this question as
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Re: can't delete text with del key anymore

[Brian Clark]

Hi André,

@ 1:15:55 AM on 4/18/2001, André Engelhardt wrote:

AE> Hi TBUDL,
AE>  this is pretty weird and I have no idea what causes this behavior:

AE>  I can't delete text in the Editor through the del key anymore. Only
AE>  way to delete text is by selecting it, right click and selecting del
AE>  from the menu. I noticed that in the dialogue that pops up on right
AE>  click there is no key-command shown for the delete command.



AE>  Thanks in advance Sorry if this is a stupid question I first wasn't
AE>  even sure if I'd post it! :-(


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Re: threading

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Hi Nick,

@ 12:50:44 AM on 4/18/2001, Nick Andriash wrote:

...
NA> Yes, for those that thread by Subject it will, but for those that
NA> thread by reference number, it won't.

I'm glad you mentioned that. I forgot all about threading by subject.
*sigh* The Bat! is like a Swiss Army Chain Saw. :)

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Re: threading

[Brian Clark]

Hi azrael,

@ 12:24:01 AM on 4/18/2001, azrael wrote:

...
Tmtdc>> Secondly, you seem to somehow be taking replies to existing
Tmtdc>> threads and starting new threads with the reply. This has the
Tmtdc>> obvious result of breaking the existing threads making it
Tmtdc>> difficult to follow who said what on which thread.

a> I appreciate your feedback Nick but what you're seeing is out of my
a> ignorance. In order to alter it I need to be shown correct format.
a> While breaking up the threads may be obvious to you and others, I'm
a> oblivious of it. How am I managing that? If subject change doesn't
a> do it, what does?

Go to View -> View Threads By and play around a little bit. You'll
eventually get what Nick is trying to say.

If you open a message, copy all of the text, create a new message,
then paste that text in there, you've effectively started a new
thread.

For example, lets say before you do that you see (in your message
list):

[-] Frank went to town   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  12:28 AM
|__ Re: Frank went to[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:00 PM
|__ Re: Frank went tosomeoneelse@exampl  8:00 Mars Time
||__ Re: Frank went  [EMAIL PROTECTED]March 23 1985
|__ Re: Frank went to t  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Feb 35 1969

And then you decide to reply to that thread by creating a new message.
This is what you'll get when your message comes in:

Re:Frank went to town[EMAIL PROTECTED]   1:35 AM
[-] Frank went to town   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  12:28 PM
|__ Re: Frank went to[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:00 PM
|__ Re: Frank went tosomeoneelse@exampl  8:00 Mars Time
||__ Re: Frank went  [EMAIL PROTECTED]March 23 1985
|__ Re: Frank went to t  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Feb 35 1969

And if you sent your message half a day behind the last message in
that thread, your message ends up getting separated by tens of
messages, possibly:


Re:Frank went to town[EMAIL PROTECTED]   1:35 AM
[+] Hopeless in Seattle  [EMAIL PROTECTED]time
[+] Another thread   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   time
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[+] etc..
[-] Frank went to town   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  12:28 PM
|__ Re: Frank went to[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6:00 PM
|__ Re: Frank went tosomeoneelse@exampl  8:00 Mars Time
||__ Re: Frank went  [EMAIL PROTECTED]March 23 1985
|__ Re: Frank went to t  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Feb 35 1969


a> And I accept it as such but please illustrate the *proper* manner
a> and help me correct it. Just a guess but between macros, utilities,
a> message editor choices, filters, templates, keys and character sets
a> there must be a 1,000 alternatives in how a message gets treated. I
a> need to learn a few of the basic correct ones just now.


MDP???> If you reply to a message to start a new topic, it will have one or
MDP???> more of the following effects:

MDP???> 1) Your message will be ignored by those not following that
MDP???> thread.

This *does* happen, I assure you.

...
a> Is changing the subject line altering the threading? I thought it
a> didn't cause that effect.

No, not just changing the subject alone, but it is *rarely* needed. if
you need to change the subject, you probably need to start a new
*thread* (see: huge ASCII diagram at top).

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Re: take me off Please

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Hi mark,

@ 10:51:40 PM on 4/15/2001, mark b wrote:

mb> Please unsubscibe me my address is:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

No.

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Re: Problems reading HTML messages

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@ 3:55:32 PM on 4/14/2001, Santiago Cimadevilla wrote:

...
SC> So I guess it's something with those imported messages only. Maybe
SC> Eudora did something strange. But in any case, it doesn't seem to
SC> happen with new messages, so it won't be a problem.

I had a feeling this had something to do with Eudora. I'm a former
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Re: Problems reading HTML messages

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Hi Santiago,

@ 2:27:17 PM on 4/14/2001, Santiago Cimadevilla wrote:

...
SC>   I've installed The Bat! 1.51 in my computer (running Win2k), and am
SC>   thus far enjoying it greatly. However, I have noticed a problem when
SC>   reading my e-mail - it looks like certain type of HTML messages are
SC>   not rendered properly. Most of the HTML messages I receive are shown
SC>   OK though, but some not. The ones that are not shown properly begin
SC>   usually with something like this :

SC> 
...

SC>   Does anyone know if there's something that can be done about this?
SC>   Maybe some setting I have overlooked?

AFAIK, this is done by the client used by the individual who sent the
email. I do not believe anything is wrong with The Bat!. IOW, the same
can be said about a site that is composed of badly written HTML. If
your browser can't display the page correctly because of the broken
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Re: Deleting HTML attachment (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

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Hi Thomas,

@ 4:16:25 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T> It seems the attachment extension depends on the machine. I jsut
T> received another HTML message, the attachment is also called
T> "message.shtml", but the content-type is multipart/alternative
T> (followed by a boundary), and I have no problems deleting the
T> attachment.

T> Has anybody ever been able to delete the HTML part of a message
T> with a content-type text/html?

Mine are always .htm, and I don't have the delete option in the
context menu *only* when the content-type is text/html. But, I can hit
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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

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Hi Thomas,

@ 1:53:35 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T> Apparently.

*grumble*

T> I have HTML autoview disabled. When I receive HTML messages, I focus
T> on the attachment icon to the left of the actual message; in the
T> preview pane or in the folder view. Then I right-click on that
T> attachment icon, and a context menu pops up with options like
T> open/save/delete/print etc. Usually I hit "delete", thus deleting the
T> HTML attachment, and keep only the plain-text version of the mail.

OK, gotcha.

T> It was reported earlier that this method "sometimes" does not work,
T> and here we have an example were it didn't. We want to find out why.

OK, the next time I get an HTML attachment (as I have HTML auto-views
disabled, too), I'll try it then report back in this thread.

T> That was my point.

Hey, no problems here. :)

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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Brian,

@ 1:37:19 AM on 4/13/2001, Brian Clark wrote:

...
BC> context menu, so I can verify the greyed out Delete menu there.
  ^
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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 1:24:20 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T>>> However, your message is an example of an HTML attachment that
T>>> cannot be deleted. The attachment has an ".shtml" extension and the
T>>> content-type is text/html. Can anybody confirm that this
T>>> combination always results in undeletable HTML attachments?

BC>> Not confirmed here, unless I'm going blind. :)

T> The Delete option is greyed out in the context menu over here.
T> Maybe this is fixed in the beta?

OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were talking about.

I'm working in 'View Folder' mode (no preview). When I read a message
it's usually from the [buggy] Ticker. I hit Ctrl+O, read the message
[if it opens]. I hit Alt+J Esc if I want to keep it, and Del if I don't.

When I hit Del earlier, then went back and checked the attachments
folder to see if what you mentioned was true, I don't see any left
over attachments.

I don't have any HTML mail over here at the moment to check the
context menu, so I can verify the greyed out Delete menu there.

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Re: Uninstall Problem-Help.

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 12:41:30 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T> However, your message is an example of an HTML attachment that
T> cannot be deleted. The attachment has an ".shtml" extension and the
T> content-type is text/html. Can anybody confirm that this
T> combination always results in undeletable HTML attachments?

Not confirmed here, unless I'm going blind. :)

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Re: Nice formatting

[Brian Clark]

Hi Joan,

@ 2:45:20 PM on 4/8/2001, Joan Josep wrote:

...
JJ> Word wrap is set at 70, and PGP word wrap at 68.

Disable PGP's Word Wrap setting and all should be well.

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Re: Default Column Width

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Hi Chris,

@ 1:31:51 AM on 4/4/2001, 60 Gunner wrote:

6G>  As for the quotes, if someone signs a message that I'm replying to,
6G>  instead of chopping up their message, I tend to keep the signature
6G>  in tact.
...

I suppose your reasoning behind doing that is to be able to tell "who
said what"? That is what the line below is for:

6G> Wednesday, April 04, 2001, 00.40.54, you wrote:
...

Nevertheless, and I'm *not* throwing insults here, but that is one
good reason one doesn't 'top-post' -- or, write your message above the
quoted message, rather than writing below what you're responding to.

Untrimmed replies are a byproduct of top posting. As the old saying
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Re: Default Column Width

[Brian Clark]

Hi Nick,

@ 1:23:19 AM on 4/4/2001, Nick Andriash wrote:

...
NA> What you can do is use the Inbox as your default folder. Click on
NA> the Inbox in the Folder List, right click and look at the
NA> Properties. Make sure the "Use the default column settings" box is
NA> checked. Then on the right side of the screen in the Message List,
NA> right click on any one of the column headings and adjust the
NA> column settings as per your personal preferences. The Inbox will
NA> now become the default Folder.

Just so Chris knows he can do this:

Click on the actual account name in the folder list.
Then go to View -> Message List Columns.

I've always taken that as the default, although your suggestion, Nick,
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Re: Default Column Width

[Brian Clark]

Hi Chris,

@ 8:28:23 PM on 4/3/2001, 60 Gunner wrote:

NA>> Hmmm... perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but when I set up a
6G> "Test
NA>> Folder" and in that process *not* check "Use default column
6G> settings"...
NA>> it doesn't. I can adjust the column settings to any configuration
6G> I want
NA>> specific to that one Folder only.

Go into the Email tab in PGP Options and uncheck "Word wrap
clear-signed messages at column: [ ]"

That's the reason you're getting funky wrapping in your PGP signed
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Re: Number in subject line

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Hi Susanne,

@ 4:46:55 PM on 4/3/2001, Susanne wrote:

...
S> Hm, I must be doing something wrong.

S> I added the macro to both the properties reply template, and after
S> testing that, also to the one for this folder, but I still get the
S> number.

But a unique identifier (like inbox or 1 or a or folder4) in each
template to track down which template is getting used.

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Re: Number in subject line

[Brian Clark]

Hi Susanne,

@ 4:08:05 PM on 4/3/2001, Susanne wrote:

...
>> This is done by adding the %SINGLERE macro in your reply templates.

...
S> Can I do this for all my reply templates under Account->
S> Properties (the macro button is greyed out, there),

Click in the template window to give it focus and the Macro button
becomes available.

S> or do I have to do it separately for each folder?

You can, depending on how you're using your templates. Folder level
templates override the default account templates. If you decide to let
the account's default templates to go into effect, you'll have to
remove the folder level for each folder that you want to use the
default templates with. It can get really confusing.

S> And where on the template should it be placed?

I think anywhere, but I place those types of macros on the first line.
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Re: Undo, Prievious view commands

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Hi jlaikan,

@ 9:49:47 AM on 4/3/2001, jlaikan wrote:

...
j> (2) It is not possible to navigate Back or Forward (as with
j> Internet Explorer for example) while previewing messages in the
j> Preview Pane

Sure it is (unless I'm interpreting messages wrong, yet again). You
can use Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down to move to the previous or next message
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Re: encrypted mail saving !?

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Hi Dierk,

@ 4:28:40 AM on 4/3/2001, Dierk Haasis wrote:

...
>> Another option, in any case, would be to install PGP and store your
>> mail on a PGP Disk. But that's not an option for everyone. :(

DH> Why not?

I was referring to his mail being stored on a Sparc; whether or not
facilities exist that would allow him to setup a PGP Disk on a Sun
workstation, I don't know. I have zero experience with Sun software or
hardware.

DH> Wasn't there a discussion concerning an internal encryption of the TB!
DH> message base vs. an external one some versions ago?

I can't remember. If the discussion took place before version 1.47, I
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Re: encrypted mail saving !?

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Hi Thomas,

@ 2:39:16 AM on 4/3/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
BC>> Then once you decrypt the message, read it, then close it, it deletes
BC>> the decrypted copy and leaves the encrypted copy.

T> Yes, but what if it arrived in clear-text to begin with?

D'oh! I read his original message wrong. :\

OK, I assume he's talking about a password protected TB!, but the
message base is stored as plain text. Ugh, yes, I see.

Another option, in any case, would be to install PGP and store your
mail on a PGP Disk. But that's not an option for everyone. :(

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Re: encrypted mail saving !?

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Hi Armin,

@ 2:05:05 AM on 4/3/2001, Armin Schweitzer wrote:

...
AS> And it's really great until now :-)

Nah, it's still really great. :)

AS> But I just saw that the files that stores the mail are not
AS> encrypted. Is there a way to keep them encrypted?
...

I've gotten around this by using a *Read* filter:

Filtering Strings:
Strings: \(PGP Decrypted\)$
Location: Subject
Presence: Yes

Actions tab: Check 'Delete the message'

Then once you decrypt the message, read it, then close it, it deletes
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Re: Undo, Prievious view commands

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Hi Thomas,

@ 12:09:32 AM on 4/3/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
O>>> Why not to delete messages by filter?

BC>> In my case, what exactly would that accomplish?

T> That you do not accidentally delete messages, I guess.

OK, I must be missing something here.

I read the message, then do either of these:

  1) Delete by using Del or Ctrl+Shift+Del to kill a thread.
  2) Delete by using a incoming or read filter or manual filter.

Those are equivalent.
  
If I need to read it again, I'll have to get it out the trash. Tab,
Arrow Down, Tab, Arrow Up or Down, then Enter -- and The mouse is
worse for someone who uses the keyboard 95% of the time. :)

I never knew I could make Undo so complicated. ;)

Ahh, but it's not, because there's Ctrl+Z^H^H^H...

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Re: Undo, Prievious view commands

[Brian Clark]

Hi Oleg,

@ 3:47:31 AM on 4/2/2001, Oleg wrote:

...
O> Why not to delete messages by filter?

In my case, what exactly would that accomplish?

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Re: Default Column Width

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Hi 60 Gunner,

@ 3:42:57 PM on 4/1/01, 60 Gunner wrote:

> Is there a way to change the default column width?  I found it kind of
> a pain to modify the displayed column widths for each folder I create.
...

Click once on your account name in the account/folder pane. Right
click once on the bar at the top of the columns in your message list
window. Adjust them there.

Then whenever you create a new folder (or when you right click on the
folder and go to properties), put a check mark beside "Use the account
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Re: Undo, Prievious view commands

[Brian Clark]

Hi Oleg,

@ 3:33:06 PM on 3/31/2001, Oleg wrote:

...
> You know what? I do rarely delete messages. Most of them are kept
> forever, or for some days and then are deleted automatically, or are
> deleted by filters. So I do delete messages by accident very very
> rarely.

Some lists I archive by 'Exporting the message to a file' (by
appending) in my incoming filters. If I'm sure I'm finished with it
for the moment, I delete it because I'll have an archived backup copy.

But for those brain-farts I have often, I hit Del, then realize I
shouldn't have done that so I have to go digging in the trash. :)

Sure it's just a matter of going to the trash and opening it it. It's
really no big deal. My main reasoning for speaking up about this is
really because I was just surprised, for the pound of gold TB! is (as
in features, not currency), that it doesn't have that (pretty
standard, IMO) feature.

It doesn't bug me too much really.

Here's two more parens just for good measure: ()

(You never can have too many in one email message.)

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Re: Undo, Prievious view commands

[Brian Clark]

Hi Oleg,

@ 9:57:07 AM on 3/31/01, Oleg wrote:

...
j>> By  mistake  I  moved a message to a folder containing thousands of
j>> messages.  I don't remember which message it was and I wish to undo
j>> this action. Is there a command (like that in Windows Explorer) for
j>> this?

> There is no special command for that. Try to browse deleted messages
> for source folder.

Now, this is something that I just can't seem to grasp. Why is there
no undo except from within the editor? I remember asking this question
when I first became a TB! user (around 1.47 Halloween? Maybe slightly
before).

IOW, what harm would there be in allowing a user to delete a message,
then hit Ctrl+Z if they deleted the wrong one (which happens often -
especially since some of us get hundreds of pieces of email in a day).

It's almost like RIT forgot to add an undo. 

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Re: Website

[Brian Clark]

Hi George,

@ 8:07:28 AM on 3/31/01, George F Schoelles wrote:

> I've been getting "DNS error" whenever I try to check the ritlabs
> home page. Has the site changed or is it gone? I like to check it
> for updates and such whenever I can.

You're hitting the right address, right?

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

It could be a node between you and ritlabs.com. Try tracert (and
traceroute in a shell on a remote server if you have that option) and
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Re: PGP

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1


Hi Gerd,

@ 4:04:27 AM on 3/31/2001, Gerd Ewald wrote:

...
> And to finish this: now a new attempt to use GPG properly

Came out just fine here.

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Re: Oddities

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Hi Pete,

@ 1:05:09 PM on 3/30/2001, Pete P wrote:

...
> I don't know if it's even possible to solve these problems but what
> I'd sure like to know is: are there any others having similar
> problems?!

Yes. I experience the same, daily.

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Re: Invalid keys

[Brian Clark]

Hi Brian,

@ 5:01:39 PM on 3/27/2001, Brian Clark wrote:

[...]

>> As applied to keys, IMHO, an invalid key should be a key that has been
>> shown to belong to a different person from the stated user.
>> A key that has not been possible to verify if it really belongs to its
>> claimer through an independent test like a letter, telephone call,
>> direct conversation, etc should be called "not validated".

> This is entirely a PGP issue. TB! doesn't control the output of a key
> verification, it simply asks PGP to do it's work.

Well, I suppose that's wasn't entirely clear. If you're *not* using
PGP Tray, TB! calls pgplog.exe to display the signature verification,
and displays the decrypted message in the message list separate from
the original. But as far as TB! displaying the verified signature
information in-line (like Valid, Invalid, Good, etc), TB!'s plugin
doesn't do that (yet).

As for PGP Tray's use in verifying signatures, depending on which
version of PGP you're using, you'll get a pop up window with the
decrypted message *and* signature information. But, then you're not
using TB!'s plugin at all.

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Re: Handle-Handling and other E-Mail-address-input issues

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Hi CaLViN,

@ 6:51:23 PM on 3/26/2001, CaLViN wrote:

[...]

> 1. When entering multiple handles, I have to seperate them by ";".
> After expanding the E-Mail-address, The Bat replaces the ";" with
> ",". When I misspell one of the handles, I have to replace the ","
> with ";" again to make The Bat recognise the handles... Is there a
> reason why this has to be like that? Couldn't The Bat either
> recognise handles separated by "," or stop replacing ";" ?

This has been a long time annoyance, and I think some (including
myself) have sent this to RIT as a suggestion. You might want to send
it in as a feature request too - er, something. The developers seem to
be very busy people, but I'm assuming they actually read all of their
mail.

> 2. When entering a name or E-Mail-address, most times the history
> kicks in. If the old address was "Christian Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
> (uppercase), and I start typing "chr" (lowercase), the history
> completes to "christian Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" (lowercase, too). I think
> it should complete the history-entry as it was (i.e. uppercase)

A work around is to use an address book handle for that contact.

Example:

First Name: Christian
Last Name: Stiller
Nick: chris
Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Then in the To field, just type chris and hit Tab. That way you don't
have to worry about case (there, at least).

> 3. As others claimed before, when entering a handle, and there are
> multiple addresses in ab, all listed addresses should be inserted.

This sounds like it'd be better suited for the Mass Mailing feature.

> 3a. Even better: Make an address-book option, whether the addresses
> to be added should be added as "To:" Addresses or as "Cc:" addresses
> (in case of the handle being inserted in "Cc:", both types would go
> in there.

I could go along with that I suppose.

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Re: Simple questions

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Hi John,

@ 2:25:13 PM on 3/26/2001, John Phillips wrote:

> 1.  How do I drag a folder into another folder, so as to cause it to
> be a sub folder?  Tried Alt & mouse, just repositions the folders. BTW
> doing this - does it mean the filters will need to be corrected?

Try Ctrl+Alt while Left-Click and Drag.

> 2.  How to alphabetically sort all folders?

Try clicking on the bar labeled 'Folder' at the top of the column. Not
sure if it'll sort alphabetically though (probably).

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Weird icon effects

[Brian Clark]

Hi TB!UDL,

This is just a follow up on the subject of the weird icon effects some
people were seeing (black or white instead of what one should be
seeing).

I don't know why I didn't think of this before (I don't think anyone
suggested it. If so, I apologize for the redundant post), but this
just happened to me for the first time ever. I just rebuilt the icon
cache and that fixed it.

You can do this with TweakUI (from the M$ site) or you can use this
8kb executable:

"RebIC"

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/4414/Prod_Body.html#rebic

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Re: Sticky send/fetch windows' positions

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 11:09:41 AM on 3/14/2001, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

[...]

> When this is turned on, the mail Send/Fetch percentage progress
> windows will always appear on the screen at the position to which
> you move them.

Still, one very annoying aspect of the send dialog is that if you
minimize it, it won't stay there for good. When you send out another
email, up it pops to the foreground once again. I'm getting tired of
Alt-Tab, Esc, Alt-Tab (However, I'm between 21.6 - 26.4 kbps on
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Re: replying to multiple mails in one reply?

[Brian Clark]

[carbon copied to [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi André,

@ 9:26:58 AM on 3/13/2001, André Engelhardt wrote:

> I was wondering if it's also possible to reply to a bunch of
> messages at once. Like when you get 4 msgs from one person, that you
> can reply to all those messages in one reply message? (without using
> copy and paste of course :-)

> That would be too cool!

Very much so; I agree.

Sorry for the "me too," moderators.

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Re: Windows off the screen

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 12:58:44 AM on 3/6/2001, Thomas wrote:

> Thanks, these are new. :-)

Well, not really. They do the same exact thing (take you to the same
place). I guess one would call the example below a shortcut, shortcut. 

> alt-space
> hit letter "m"

Notice the M in Move in that menu is underlined.

> use arrow keys to move window

I also noticed that the second step in the second example I gave
doesn't work for some windows. Following Micro$oft tradition, 4 out of
5 things behave the way you /think/ they're going to behave, and IE5
seems to be number 5. IE5 says you're actually looking for Help.

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Re: Windows off the screen

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 3:55:06 AM on 3/3/2001, Thomas wrote:

> Allie once told me a trick, I have to click on the window and then
> something else, and I can pull the window back down, using a
> key-combo involing the arrow keys.

> Can someone remind me, please.

Try, with the window in focus (or you think is in focus):

Alt once
Down arrow twice
Enter once
Then use the arrow keys to move the window on screen.

Or:

Alt once
Left arrow once.
Down arrow twice
Enter once
Then use the arrow keys to move the window on screen.


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Re: reply Capitalize

[Brian Clark]

Hi Chris,

@ 6:53:49 PM on 3/2/2001, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Is there an easy way to reply and get the name in the default reply
> template to capitalize the first letter ?

Some time ago I put in a request for additional macros just for that
purpose: %UCFirst and %UCWords.

But, they haven't made it into a release yet, or they didn't like my
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Re: From address and Reply to address

[Brian Clark]

Hi Tim,

@ 11:25:56 AM on 2/28/2001, Tim Musson wrote:

> For some of my lists that is the only way... Sometimes it is to the
> list, and others it is to the sender.

> I have yet to figure out why. :-(

For lists that do not set the Reply-to header, the reply is made out
to the sender. This is the reason some lists' templates have to be
created at the folder level. If you do that, you just have to be
careful, and get used to looking at the To field. I have around 4
lists that have folder level templates.

I suppose one could always stick %To='' at the top of every template
so that they'd be forced to type in the address manually (or use a
handle).

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Re: Archiving Messages - A btt off topic

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Hi Ron,

@ 6:24:19 AM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Does  anyone know of a Windows program which generates searchable, html-based
> message archive of e-mail messages.

 This is quite a step up, but if you needed something hefty, you could
 *try* MHonArc.

 http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
 http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/MHonArc/doc/faq/envs.html#platforms

 Under windows, you're probably going to need to install Active
 State's Perl distribution (which has a graphical installer now, I
 believe).

 http://www.activestate.com
 
 That may be a whole lot of trouble just for a simple mail archive
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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 8:33:17 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Here's a software engineering take on the issue.

 [...]

> While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I
> wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the
> system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference.

 I'm not known to regularly defrag my hard disk. :) I think I've done
 it 3 times in 2 years or so, maybe longer. I'd rather leave that sort
 of thing alone. It seems like in the past, when I tried to do more
 house-cleaning, it did more harm that good (or so it seemed).

 I didn't mean to sound like I was terribly worried that TB! would
 trash the Operating System -- I'm far more worried about losing any
 archived mail. I do, however, backup all of my mail every other day,
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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Brian Clark]

Hi Allie,

@ 6:48:37 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The
> FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well.

 This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who
 regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past after
 a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is something to worry
 about? I don't think I've defragged my hard disk since I've installed
 TB!, but I do compress on every exit.

 As a matter of fact, soon after my father installed TB! his computer
 wouldn't boot one morning, and I had go over and reinstall Windows.
 It turns out, he regularly runs scandisk and defrag.

 I have no earthly idea if this was directly related to TB! and folder
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Re: Moderators: Point of Order

[Brian Clark]

Hi Marck,

@ 12:08:53 AM on 2/17/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> (sleep? wassat?).

Apparently, some curious people "lie down" and "drift into a state of
unconsciousness." Sometimes I walk through the house and notice others
practicing this so called "sleep." They get mad when I ask them
questions like, "Have you see the cat food?" or "I'm going to the
store, do you need anything?" I have to repeat myself a few times
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Re: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site

[Brian Clark]

Hi Mark,

@ 9:35:39 PM on 2/12/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Both work fine here.

> There must be a network problem somewhere then.  Because I cannot
> access RIT Labs Web site from two different ISP's.

My mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a few days ago bounced back, as well. The
forward someone has on that address is the one that actually bounced,
I think, but I don't remember the specific address.

I didn't save the email, but I tried sending a notification to info@
and it bounced, too.

I assumed it eventually made it through, because I haven't gotten
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Re: TB! v1.49 - bypassing the group to a folder

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Hi John,

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Re: MailTicker

[Brian Clark]

Hi Dierk,

@ 4:47:44 AM on 2/10/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When showing new messages it gets stuck after about one or two
> turns. I have configured my mail ticker to be always on top, auto
> zoom, at the top of the monitor. Age limit is set to 30 s max.

Confirmed. Same settings.

> My display card is a Matrox G400 DH, DirectX is 7.0a.

Diamond Viper v770 TNT2 Ultra
DirectX 7.0 (4.07.00.0700)

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Re: Thanks & here's another one!

[Brian Clark]

Hi Tim,

@ 8:39:21 AM on 2/7/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

GJT>> How do I reclaim TB!'s
GJT>> rightful place as default mail client?

> In M$IE:

[...]

You can also refer to the FAQ for Netscalp and Operaw:

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html#Mailto:%20(browser)

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Re: Pasting text in message does not wrap

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Hello Mark,

(MK == "Mark Knipfer") [EMAIL PROTECTED] spattered:

>>  Edit -> Paste Formatted (Shift-Ctrl-Ins)

MK> That works great!  Thank you.

Another neat trick to use is to Alt+L while your cursor is over the
unwrapped line (or the first line of a paragraph).

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

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Hello Mark, 

(MK == "Mark Knipfer") [EMAIL PROTECTED] etched:

Just a few alternatives:

MK>   View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)

You can also use Ctrl + *(on the num pad) to expand all threads, and
you can simply hit Esc to display all messages.

As for expanding and retracting threads, you can use the left and
right arrow keys as well.

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Krister, 

(KE == "Krister Ekstrom") [EMAIL PROTECTED] accounted:

KE> Nope, still haven't found the right key... Maybe i should have
KE> formulated the question a bit differently, like so: where on the
KE> american keyboard is the slash key located?

It's right beside the right shift key and on the numeric keypad to the
right of the Num Lock. I'm using an MS Natural though.

[L][:;]["'][Enter]
  [<,][>.][?/][Shift]
 [Win][Menu][Ctrl]

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Wolfgang, 

(WK == "Wolfgang Kynast") [EMAIL PROTECTED] canalized:

WK> keyboard layout   toggle 'simple menus'
WK> ---   -
WK> US/UK ctrl-shift-alt-L

I think you meant Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ for US/UK.

WK> Germany   strg-shift-alt-#
WK> ? ?

I think I may be losing my mind. Is it me or did RIT remove this
feature in the undocumented, unofficial, mirrored, non-rar 1.49d Beta?

I can now press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/ and nothing happens.

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Lija, 

(L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] betokened:

L> This function switches lite/full menus... You don't have to do
L> this, 'cause keyb. equivalent is Alt+Ctrl+Shift+/

Yes I know. The reason I posted this is because Krister was having a
problem finding the equivalent for that combo in a Swedish keyboard
layout.

See: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (3rd in thread)

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

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Hello Lija, 

(L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] coined:

MDP>> messages'  text is touching the LHS of the ticker.

L> Pardon Me For Jumping In, what is LHS?---

Left Hand Side? :)

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Re: small export-messages bug & something strange...

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Hello Roel, 

(R == "Roel") [EMAIL PROTECTED] drafted:

R> when you wish to export a single message, you can't select the
R> 'desktop' folder (as in: the 'root' of the tree)

You can go down the tree to C:\Windows\Desktop, but, I agree, Clicking
on Desktop at the top of the tree should do what is expected.

R>   further: my previous message (as does this one) had the line:
R>   'hello everybody,' on top, but when I got it back through the list,
R>   that line & the blank line following it were gone...

Not so -- at least, over here it came through just fine:

R> List-Administrator: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
R> List-Archive: <http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com>
R> 
R> 
R> Hello Everybody,
R> 
R>   when you wish to export a single message, you can't select the
R>   'desktop' folder (as in: the 'root' of the tree)

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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(WK == "Wolfgang Kynast") [EMAIL PROTECTED] declared:

KS>> The / key is above the 7: press Shift-7.

WK> I'm afraid this won't work because you have to press
WK> ctrl-shift-alt and the key we are looking for simultanously :-)

Another option *might* be to do it in the registry for a quick fix.

Better make sure TB! is closed and make sure you backup your TB!
folder and registry keys. I'd back up the whole
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT tree first. You never know what'll
happen.

I'm not positive that this is the registry key for this particular
function, but look under:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!

In the right pane, scroll down to "Simple Menus" and modify that value
to 0 if it's set to 1.

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Re: How do I "read in" a file

[Brian Clark]

Hello net5zero, 

(nnn == "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") [EMAIL PROTECTED] imparted:

nnn> How do I read a text file on my hard drive into my New message
nnn> that I am writing -- so that I don't have to open the text file,
nnn> then copy and paste? I don't want to attach the file.

You can either include it in a template using (I think) %INCLUDE or
%PUT (it's in the help file under 'Macros' or 'Template Macros.' The
alternative would be to Edit -> Paste From...

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Re: shortcut for checking mail outside TB!

[Brian Clark]

Hello Hilary, 

(HF == "Hilary Franklin") [EMAIL PROTECTED] mumbled:

HF> A friend of mine who uses TB mentioned that there was a shortcut
HF> (keyboard, I assume) that allows you to check your e-mail via TB
HF> even if you're working in another program but have it minimized. Of
HF> course, now he can't recall it from memory . . .

I set a custom hot-key combo for this in Options -> Define System
Hot-Keys. I set it to Ctrl+M because I'm a former Eudora user. It
seems to work outside of TB! for me, but the usual F2 and Alt+F2
don't.

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Re: Confirm imap support

[Brian Clark]

Hello Andrew, 

(AH == "Andrew Hodgson") [EMAIL PROTECTED] conveyed:

AH> Other than the bats other rfc deficiencies, can we confirm/deny that
AH> tb supports imap in the following way:

I don't use IMAP, but AFAIK TB! supports it (to what degree, I don't
know). In account properties, one of the protocols listed is IMAP4.

AH> P.S.  For a real imap client, try Mulberry, Pegasus etc.

What is this? Some sort of Troll? Why do people quarrel over MUA's and
editors and browsers and operating systems. Just use what you want;
who cares?

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Krister, 

(KE == "Krister Ekstrom") [EMAIL PROTECTED] disclosed:

KE> Hi Bat! people!
KE> Have upgraded a while back to v1.49 and when i tried to go into the
KE> sorting office, that menu choise had vanished, nothing under the
KE> accounts menu for sorting office. Some other menus have vanished too,

This one smacked me in the face, too, a few weeks ago. ;)

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/

And everything should be back to normal.

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