Re: V.2.10.00 and V2.10.01
Hi, AT Ritlabs just sent me an email: AT What's new in The Bat! 2.10? [snip: program change list from the original version 2.10.00 release announcement] That's not it. I wondered if anybody would mention it here, and so Bob Morris did. The day after the release of the 3.2 megabyte download of version 2.10.00, version 2.10.01 was released and its size is 3.8 MB. There were no obvious changes between the two. I reckoned that 'somebody had forgotten something' in the original release :) -- Regards, Johnny Skaaning Using The Bat! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 and BayesIt! 0.5.3 A word from our sponsor: Sometimes you got to get sick before you can feel better. www.zappa.com Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Incremental backups
Hi all, I've always used complete backups. Partly because I don't understand how incremental backups work. If I work up 50 incremental backups and want to restore them all, is this process as tedious as I fear - that is, done one by one ? Or can it be automatized somehow ? Do they have any advantages apart from the obvious gain in time of execution ? -- Regards, Johnny Skaaning Using The Bat! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 and BayesIt! 0.5.3 A word from our sponsor: You drank beer, you played golf, you watched football - WE EVOLVED! www.zappa.com Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incremental backups
Hi Peter, jsodIf I work up 50 incremental jsod backups and want to restore them all, is this process as tedious as I jsod fear - that is, done one by one ? Or can it be automatized somehow ? jsod Do they have any advantages apart from the obvious gain in time of jsod execution ? PK What you are thinking is called differential backup. PK Incremental backup always backs-up from the last full backup i.e. to PK restore you have to run the full backup and the last incremental backup. PK You should be able to find out the details in you backup program help file. PK After some search I found this the best at that time: [snip] Thanks for your detailed description. I did a lousy job of explaining myself and I didn't know the right terminology. I am talking about backing up the mail bases of TB via the inbuilt backup function - not general backups with other software. I just checked, and in TB what I referred to as incremental is actually called an 'update to existing archive'. Ok, I'd written some more questions here but now Leif G. just replied as well, so I'll save the magnetic ink for later since my questions were answered well. Thanks to both of you ! -- Regards, Johnny Skaaning Using The Bat! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 and BayesIt! 0.5.3 A word from our sponsor: If you want to get laid, go to college, but if you want an education, go to the library. www.zappa.com Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.1 bugs
Hi , [regarding Bayesit] HC Same here, as well. I cleaned it up by removing the built-in 0.5 HC version, and then downloading and installing the 0.4gm from HC http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm#download. Same here. What I would like to know though, is why some of us experience an error while others don't .. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using The Bat! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 and BayesIt! 0.4gm Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mother of all common folders Autocomplete cycler wanted
Hi all, What determines the 'mother account' of a common folder ? I've got 4 or 5 accounts and I've noticed that one specific account is used for sending messages from common folders. Consequently messages sent from such folders end up in the sent folder of an account which used to be my main account, but today is a minor account that I hope to stop using at some point. Is there a way to control this behaviour ? Another thing I've wondered about is whether the autocomplete results of the address field can be cycled somehow? You know, when I write the beginning of an address and autocomplete kicks in, often it picks one of several addresses beginning with that string - and often not the one I am looking for :) So far I've just had to keep on filling in the address until the string becomes unique. But I really like autocomplete and I miss a way to cycle through the results of autocomplete. Is it there ? -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using The Bat! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 and BayesIt! 0.4gm Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt option settings
Hi Jan, JR Without using Bayesit, about 99% of my junk mail gets filtered to JR the junk folder. About once/twice a month, my filters miss something JR1-3 are not marked read (meaning I have to go check them). Only on a JR very rare occasion do I find legit email in my junk folder. JR Can any of you Bayesit fans explain this to me? I'm not be cute JR here. Maybe I'm missing something. I think the explaining is on your part :) Or maybe we're not receiving the same amount or type of spam ? Before Bayesit (just a month or two ago in my case) I was constantly trying to keep up with spam, adding strings to my spam filter as best I could. Only to find it an impossible and very tedious battle against new permutations of spam. Maybe you've got some tips you'd like to share about how to set up a filter that needs little or no maintenance? Bayesit has saved me from thinking about it. I didn't even believe it would work, but it came in TB 2.04 and seemed to kill most spam without my doing anything. I receive 30 spam mails pr. day on average. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using The Bat! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 and BayesIt! 0.4gm Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.1 bugs
Hi all, I just joined this list to check if there was any commotion about the 2.10 release of The Bat! The following is pasted from the online archive of this list: [from John Phillips, Sydney, Australia] JPWhen starting up I get the following error message:- JPCan't create folder c:\ProgramFiles\THEBAT!\Bayesit. Check that no JPfile with such name exists or that access to the folder is JPallowed. JPMessage appears on installation and each start up session. JPBayesit is loaded, apparently after the message is accepted (ie click on the JPx in message window). Exactly the same here John. The dialogue box with the error message even gets hidden behind the startup logo. All there is to do is click the logo and then click 'ok' .. then the program seems to strat normally. I also deleted my previous Bayesit folder and now have to live with the fact that several non-spam messages have been filtered into the Junk Mail folder. Hope it's just an adjustment phase. Also: could anybody using 2.10 try and create a virtual folder (I picked one pointing to a physical folder with 3000+ messages) and then try and delete it again ? Here it results in one or more 'access violations' which seem to be benign in the sense that the notifications can be clicked away without the program crashing. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning, Denmark _ Using TB! 2.10 on Windows XP Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.1 bugs
Hi John, J This can be avoided by installing another spam plug-in before doing J the upgrade. Don't really wish to do that. I hope there'll be a fix for this problem. I can live with it for some time ... usually the program is started once a day or the number of times a reboot is necessary. Also: could anybody using 2.10 try and create a virtual folder (I picked one pointing to a physical folder with 3000+ messages) and then try and delete it again ? Here it results in one or more 'access violations' which seem to be benign in the sense that the notifications can be clicked away without the program crashing. J No had a problem here. The only thing I can think of off hand is the J possibility that you're deleting the virtual folder before it's J completely processed the physical/source folder messages? No, but I've tested it some more now - it's a pretty specific error: It happens ONLY with 'Common Virtual Folder' and ONLY if it has been created from the 'Virtual' tab in the folder list window .. (The one that now holds 4 tabs: 'All', 'unread', 'virtual' and one with my nickname). If I create the exact same common virtual folder from the 'all' tab there is no problem. Anyway, there isn't really a problem. It just doesn't look so good. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 2.10 on Windows XP service pack 1 Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AV - Virtual Folder related?
Hi Costas, CP As a result of the AV no message could be seen in any of the folders. CP I had to restart The Bat to be able to see them. Similar experience here one time today. However, I am not sure whether it was in connection with the AV I've described in previous posts, or if it happened at another time: All messages appear gone - the messagelist pane was just plain white, but randomly clicking in there proved that the messages were still there. Plus, the AV I got was not in a dll but in Thebat.exe. Restarting TB solved it. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 2.10 on Windows XP service pack 1. Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.1 bugs
Hi John, J FWIW I am going to write a do-nothing anti-spam plug-in to remove J the prompts. If you decide you want to get rid of the prompts drop J by the downloads area on http://cu2.home.comcast.net -- I'll put it J there in an hour or so. Wow, that's like a superhumanly kind gesture I think. But you should elaborate a bit .. are you saying that by installing an additional dummy plugin we can rid ourselves of the startup error message and keep using Bayesit ? -- Regards, Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 2.10 on Windows 2000 Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.1 bugs
John, Wow, that's like a superhumanly kind gesture I think. But you should elaborate a bit .. are you saying that by installing an additional dummy plugin we can rid ourselves of the startup error message and keep using Bayesit ? J My misunderstanding.. If I recall right, what you're describing was J related to the shift from older/stand-alone BayesIt using the J registry and the 'integrated' version not. Ah, no. There's an issue now going from TB version 2.04.7 where the Bayesit version is 0.4x to TB 2.10.00 where the Bayesit version is 0.5. When you start TB , Bayesit complains about its folder (where it keeps dictionaries and logs etc.) already existing. When clicking 'ok' to this notice, everything seems to run ok though. There was another guy here saying the same thing, so I trust it's not just some weird local phaenomenon with me. I've tried to report it through the 'bug report' and later as 'information request' through the links in the help menu of TB, but to no avail. The messages come back with server errors. Ritlabs' server might be sick, or they've hardcoded invalid email addresses? -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 2.10 on Windows XP Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.10.01 released
Hi all, Seems that TB 2.10.01 have been released today. Don't know what has changed. Didn't solve the Bayesit issue I was mentioning. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Current version is 2.10.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.1 bugs
Hi Dave, JPCan't create folder c:\ProgramFiles\THEBAT!\Bayesit. Check that no JPfile with such name exists or that access to the folder is JPallowed. dcn I had the same problem briefly myself, all I did was go to dcn preferencesplugins and remove the bayesit entry THEN I went dcn through preferencesplugins again but this time selected 'add' dcn and navigated to the new bayesit plugin, works here! ;-) Hm. Can't get that to work. I've tried changing the directory too. Works anyway if the Bayesit base directory is empty .. but as soon as I do some spam/non-spam marking and the dictionary files get created, I am back to square one with the startup problem. Are you sure your Bayesit is actually working after you did that operation ? I also tried completely removing TB, and change the mail directory to somewhere else. As mentioned I also tried to have Bayesit in another directory. Didn't help. Noticed also that the access flags on the 'base' directory inside the Bayesit folder has a greyed out 'read only'. Maybe just the way it's supposed to, but what surprised me was that I can't change it. Even when TB is not running? -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 2.10.01 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Next unread across accounts
Hello Britt,, JS I've never messed with these. Why would there be 3 different JS assignments for the same function ? BM Where do you find them? There's an overview of the shortcuts in the shortcuts editor (alt-F12). BM When I right click on a subject, I only get Ctrl+Alt+Right. Not the BM å ;-) Hmm. When I right click it appears empty where the shortcut would have been. 'Move to previously viewed' is there with alt-left. But nevermind, because as I said earlier I started the thread based on the misunderstanding that moving to next unread message was possible across accounts in TB. It's not, and moving to next unread within an account works fine for me with ctrl-next :) Thanks for trying to help. -- Best regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using 1.61 on Windows 2000 build 2195 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folders outside of accounts
Hi all, In the what's new readme for TB! 1.61 at Ritlabs, I stumbled upon this line - [+] It is now possible to create folders outside accounts Am I getting this right - In the folder pane, folders can be created outside of accounts ?? I can't seem to do that. Anybody ? -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 1.61 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders outside of accounts
Roelof, RO In the menu: RO Folder - new Common Folder RO A common folder is a folder outside an account, you can see that in RO the account tree pane. Excellent, thanks ! -- Regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB! 1.61 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Next unread across accounts
Hi all, I believe I read somewhere on Ritlabs pages that pressing ctrl-rightarrow would skip to next unread msg - also across accounts. This doesn't seem to work here. Inside accounts, but not across ? -- Best regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using TB!1.61 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Next unread across accounts
Britt and Elaine, BM I have heard - and use - Ctrl + Alt + Right arrow. E I use control ] Strange, neither seems to work. When I look in the shortcuts editor, 3 different shortcuts have been assigned to 'next unread' and 'previous unread' .. these are: Next unread: Ctrl-Next, Ctrl-Alt-Next, Ctrl-å (Danish keyboard) Previous Unread: Ctrl-Previous, Ctrl-Alt-Previous, Ctrl-Accent AIGU I've never messed with these. Why would there be 3 different assignments for the same function ? What's more is that when I try to change the one that says ctrl-å by focusing and pressing ctrl-next, it reverts to ctrl-å .. beats me. Looks like some conflict ? -- Best regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using 1.61 on Windows 2000 build 2195 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Next unread across accounts
Hi, DG Neither Ctrl-Alt-Right Arrow nor Ctrl-] moves to next unread DG *across accounts* for me. Sorry. I started this thread based on a wrong memory. Here's what I found in the what's new text at Ritlabs: [+] It is now possible to create folders outside accounts [+] It is now possible to define behaviour for moving to the next/previous message across folders It must have been these two lines being recorded in my memory as 'It is now possible to move to next/previous unread message across accounts'g. Would be nice though! -- Best regards Johnny Skaaning _ Using 1.61 on Windows 2000 build 2195 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduled Mail Checks Stopped Working
Hello Bob Curtis, BC I know this was discussed previously and I believe the consensus was BC that ZA was causing the problem of automated email checking BC stopping. I don't think there should be such a consensus. Rather a consensus that the mailchecking problems might be caused either a) by some kind of conflict with ZA or b) by conflicts not related to ZA that nobody has been able to define. I have experienced these problems with several versions of TB using 3 different firewalls as well as no firewall at all. There are other users who like yourself have reported in this forum that they have a similar problem without using ZA. BC Is there any additional info regarding TB and auto checking not BC working? Nobody really figured anything out in this forum about the non-ZA related type of problem, but now you have the problem you might follow an earlier suggestion and check the log to see if there's any indication that a mailcheck was actually attempted. Also, export the TB part of the registry and we might be able to compare with the same export from a machine that's working and find some explanation. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodical checking stops working
Hello Blarp, B There have been at least 4 reports of this problem on 1.61 that I've B seen (including mine). Ok, this may be of interest to you and others: Earlier today I uninstalled The Bat, but I said no to the question of whether to remove the message base or not. After reinstalling the program I restored a backup of all accounts that I'd just done. This didn't make the periodical checking work. Just now I uninstalled the program and answered yes to all questions of removal - that is both from the registry and the mail directory. After this I made sure no files were left in the mail directory and the program directory. Then I installed the program again and restored my backup. Now the periodical checking works. Would be good if somebody with the same problem could confirm if this procedure works there too. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodical checking stops working
Hello Marck, JS :) Perhaps I'll submit a bug report then. MDP Not yet. MDP Blarp doesn't mention the thing that causes this 9/10 times. MDP See message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for more MDP information (The Bat/ZoneAlarm quirks) if you are a ZA user. Thanks. As I mentioned in another post I managed to overcome the problem by uninstalling all parts of the program including the message base. However, I have to mention that I've used TB! since version 1.46 as far as I remember. The problem with the (lack of) periodical checking have periodically surfaced using firewalls Atguard, Zone Alarm, Tiny Personal Firewall as well as no firewall at all. Unfortunately I have kept no record of whether this was the case with all versions of TB! or not. I can say I am quite familiar with the problem. It was usually solved either on the next reinstallation of the operating system or of the program. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat/ZoneAlarm quirks.
Hello Julian, JBL A couple of questions come to mind with periodical checking: JBL 1. Are all the problems being experienced on a dialup connection? In my case it's always occurred with different DSL connections. JBL 3. Is there anything in the log file to indicate that TB attempted to JBL connect? Unfortunately my standard sized (20k) logs have already lost that info. However, I can say that the connection centre which I've always set to appear automatically stays away too when this problem is present. JBL 4. In anyone experiencing problems with periodical checking with a JBL permanent connection (such as a network connection or DSL)? See 1. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Periodical checking stops working
Hello all, Using The Bat on Windows 2000 Pro, at some point after installation (it varies a lot - sometimes days sometimes weeks) the periodical checking that I use to check 4 mail accounts with stops working. I generally have The Bat check for mail every 4 minutes, now I have to do it manually. Has anybody come across a similar phaenomenon ? I can't connect it to any particular change that I may have made to the system such as an installation of another program, but it may be connected of course. I've tried removing and reinstalling The bat which usually helped, but not today, so suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance Johnny Skaaning Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodical checking stops working
Hi Blarp, Britt Malka and John Thomas, B It happened to me and reinstall didn't cure it. Same platform. I have B no idea what causes it or how to fix it. And so far, no one else on B this list does either. You might try submitting a bug report. Maybe an B extra voice will help. That is really curious. But thanks for letting me know that you have the same problem. Saves me a lot of time looking elsewhere :) Perhaps I'll submit a bug report then. BM It is a pity that you don't mention the version you are using in your BM template. Yes, I know I should have while writing in this forum. I usually switch on RFC-822 headers in the view menu to see which mailer is used. My apologies. But then John Thomas said - JT I found it very handy to show the mailer of all messages. I found JT this is possible by selecting View, Message Header, Mailer. Based on JT that information, he is using The Bat! (v1.61) Personal. Which is certainly a more elegant way of checking which mailer is used than switching on the full RFC-822 header :) Anyway, I've gotten used to the RFC-822's recently because spam started arriving including what looked like personally targeted viruses to me. Thanks to you all for such a prompt response! -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodical checking stops working
Hello Blarp, B I wish this were the case. I've tried disabling my firewall (Tiny B Personal, not ZA) and it still stops periodical checking. It WILL B check on startup but nothing after that. Ok, this may be of interest to you and others: Earlier today I uninstalled The Bat, but I said no to the question of whether to remove the message base or not. After reinstalling the program I restored a backup of all accounts that I'd just done. This didn't make the periodical checking work. Just now I uninstalled the program and answered yes to all questions of removal - that is both from the registry and the mail directory. After this I made sure no files were left in the mail directory and the program directory. Then I installed the program again and restored my backup. Now the periodical checking works. Would be good if somebody with the same problem could confirm if this procedure works there too. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodical checking stops working
Hello Joe, JU What would be better is if someone could see how long this will JU actually work for. Not interested in reinstalling this client every JU few weeks or months in order for it to work properly. A good point and very true. When left with no other immediate options one often resorts to second best. For me as a private user reinstalling it isn't such a big deal (particularly thanks to the splendid backup/restore function) but of course it should be studied and dealt with. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Periodical checking stops working
Hello Gerard, G You also might want to copy all the register setting to a file so you G can check for differences and do a restore if it happens again. G This could possibly help find the cause if it is in TB! registry. I should have thought about that before I 'solved' the problem by reinstallation. Next time it comes around I'll try to remember to save that part of the registry :) I've now exported it while it works ok. -- Regards Johnny Skaaning The Bat 1.61 - Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
