Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
ON Thursday, December 12, 2002, 12:57:40 AM, you wrote: RW PMFJI but I'm still having my flickering cursor/hourglass problem and RW I looked properly at Task Manager just now and I have *two* instances RW of The Bat.exe running. One is solid on 18,192K and the other RW changes every few seconds between about 20K and 4,000K. I don't have RW TB! set to start unless I select it so perhaps that is my problem RW although I can't see why that should be so. Hi Richard, I have the same setup and I checked but I have only one instance at 17+K. I even checked if that wasn't the connection centre showing but that's not it either. If you have had this problem from the beginning may I suggest that you download the latest version again, just to make sure there wasn't a corruption during download. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A person with great dreams can achieve great things. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard, On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 at 13:45:36[GMT +0100](which was 12:45 where I live) you wrote: G I have the same setup and I checked but I have only one instance at G 17+K. G If you have had this problem from the beginning may I suggest that G you download the latest version again, Well, I deleted the errant small file and have rebooted the PC twice since then and it hasn't come back. I can't think how it got in there but it must be a one off occurrence and TB! and the rest of the system (including ZA Pro) is now firing on all cylinders again. -- Best regards, Richard May you have the hindsight to know where you have been, the foresight to know where you are going, and the insight to know when you have gone too far... Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
ON Thursday, December 12, 2002, 7:04:44 PM, you wrote: RW Well, I deleted the errant small file and have rebooted the PC twice RW since then and it hasn't come back. I can't think how it got in there RW but it must be a one off occurrence and TB! and the rest of the system RW (including ZA Pro) is now firing on all cylinders again. Richard, My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation. I do remember ZoneLabs telling me there was a new update. I had a look but didn't change anything. My ZoneLabs did it on its own? In your case it is more weird. If you terminate a running program in Taskmanager, something or someone must have started it. If it starts automaticly it should do so after a restart. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sudden success at golf is like the sudden acquisition of wealth. It is apt to unsettle and deteriorate the character. And, as it comes almost miraculously, so only a miracle can effect a cure. ==P.G Wodehouse - THE MAGIC PLUS FOURS == Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard, On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 at 20:16:17[GMT +0100](which was 19:16 where I live) you wrote: G My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation. I do G remember ZoneLabs telling me there was a new update. I had a look but G didn't change anything. My ZoneLabs did it on its own? I put 3.5.166 on the other day and, even though I have it set for automatic updates, I still had to do it manually. I just thought I'd check just in case and I found it hadn't done anything. G In your case it is more weird. If you terminate a running program in G Taskmanager, something or someone must have started it. If it starts G automaticly it should do so after a restart. I don't have TB! starting automatically, it's a manual start. I don't know how the extra exe file got there but it's all working OK now. Probably just one of those one off (I hope) unexplainable things. -- Best regards, Richard We attract hearts by the qualities we display; we retain them by the qualities we possess. Suard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Now why did that double post happen? I did my usual of clicking on the send button in the message for an immediate send. -- Best regards, Richard Blessed are they who have little to say -- and don't. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard! On Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 8:16:17 PM you wrote: My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation. Nine months seems to be the normal period before the sleepless nights, loud noises, strange smells etc. happen. Sorry, couldn't resist, and it was a long week,very cold, not to my liking, with some rather bad news ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. (Ambrose Bierce) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
ON Thursday, December 12, 2002, 8:40:46 PM, you wrote: RW Now why did that double post happen? I did my usual of clicking on the RW send button in the message for an immediate send. Richard, No double send here, maybe a double receive? Try kill dupes -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= They are all respectable men, I said, and were, I believe, highly thought of in their respective businesses. But on the links I admit that they are a trial. ==P.G Wodehouse - CHESTER FORGETS HIMSELF == Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard, On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 at 21:30:21[GMT +0100](which was 20:30 where I live) you wrote: G No double send here, maybe a double receive? Try kill dupes Hm?? Strange but I did kill the dupes. Just thought that it was sent twice too. -- Best regards, Richard Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
ON Monday, December 9, 2002, 12:39:23 PM, you wrote: VBG Thank you Thomas. Even if I we're to figure out which VBG process overwhelmed my system how would I go about VBG preventing it from starting or stopping before or once it is VBG in action? Hi Victor, I had the problem this morning on my WIN2K system. The way to find the process is to switch to the task manager (Ctrl-Alt-Del) and see which process is using all the processor time. I found it to be a little programm called VSMON.exe. The do a file search on your computer and it turns out that VSmon.exe is part of an old friend called ZoneLabs :( I don't know how this is possible but I expected it to be part of the mail check thingy Zonelabs has were it deactivates certain file based on the extension. I switch that option to No and everything is working now. Hope this helps. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Universal Laws of Golf: All 3-woods are demon-possessed. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard, VBG Thank you Thomas. Even if I we're to figure out which VBG process overwhelmed my system how would I go about VBG preventing it from starting or stopping before or once it is VBG in action? G I had the problem this morning on my WIN2K system. G The way to find the process is to switch to the task manager I wish I can do that but it'll never launch :( and if it is already running the system doesn't slow down instead it really freezes and everything is untouchable. G found it to be a little programm called VSMON.exe. G it turns out that VSmon.exe is part of an old friend called ZoneLabs :( I know but listen to this... On my desktop PC I've seen those problems and they we're inescapable but I recently got a notebook PC which is a little less powerful and I haven't experienced a *freeze* yet. G I don't know how this is possible but I expected it to be part of the G mail check thingy Zonelabs has were it deactivates certain file based on G the extension. I switch that option to No and everything is working now. Are you talking about E-mail Protection Mail Safe Setting off? If that is what you're talking about thanks I just did it as I never download and run anything suspicious anyway. Plus I have Micro Trend PC-cillin running :) But, if that is not what you're talking about please tell me :) G Hope this helps. Anything helps and I can only thank you for your input as I see it was a feature I hardly used anyway. Thank you Gerard -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
ON Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 11:40:14 AM, you wrote: G I had the problem this morning on my WIN2K system. G The way to find the process is to switch to the task manager VBG I wish I can do that but it'll never launch :( and if it is VBG already running the system doesn't slow down instead it VBG really freezes and everything is untouchable. What you can do is start the taskmanager and then start the application (The Bat!) that is experiencing the freeze. You should still see the offending program jump to the top of the list if you sort it on CPU time. G found it to be a little programm called VSMON.exe. G it turns out that VSmon.exe is part of an old friend called ZoneLabs :( VBG I know but listen to this... On my desktop PC I've seen VBG those problems and they we're inescapable but I recently got VBG a notebook PC which is a little less powerful and I haven't VBG experienced a *freeze* yet. Freezing has nothing to do with processing power but all with badly behaving programs G I don't know how this is possible but I expected it to be part of the G mail check thingy Zonelabs has were it deactivates certain file based on G the extension. I switch that option to No and everything is working now. VBG Are you talking about E-mail Protection Mail Safe Setting VBG off? If that is what you're talking about thanks I just VBG did it as I never download and run anything suspicious VBG anyway. Plus I have Micro Trend PC-cillin running :) That's it alright. I tried it first with ZoneLabs disabled end then found a setting that worked. G Hope this helps. VBG Anything helps and I can only thank you for your input as I VBG see it was a feature I hardly used anyway. Absolutly, TB! is secure enough. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The correlation between thinking well and making successful shots is not 100 percent. But the correlation between thinking badly and unsuccessful shots is much higher. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard, On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 at 14:14:32[GMT +0100](which was 13:14 where I live) you wrote: G What you can do is start the taskmanager and then start the application G (The Bat!) that is experiencing the freeze. You should still see the G offending program jump to the top of the list if you sort it on CPU G time. PMFJI but I'm still having my flickering cursor/hourglass problem and I looked properly at Task Manager just now and I have *two* instances of The Bat.exe running. One is solid on 18,192K and the other changes every few seconds between about 20K and 4,000K. I don't have TB! set to start unless I select it so perhaps that is my problem although I can't see why that should be so. -- Best regards, Richard The only thing that shatters dreams is compromise. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Thomas, VBG It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What VBG happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were VBG to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the VBG system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two VBG minutes. Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed by some errant process. TF I think so too. Now the question is to find out which process that is. Thank you Thomas. Even if I we're to figure out which process overwhelmed my system how would I go about preventing it from starting or stopping before or once it is in action? Thanks :) -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Victor, On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:39:23 -0500 GMT (09/12/02, 18:39 +0700 GMT), Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: TF I think so too. Now the question is to find out which process that is. Thank you Thomas. Even if I we're to figure out which process overwhelmed my system how would I go about preventing it from starting or stopping before or once it is in action? We can think about that when we know who the culprit is. If it is indeed TB, we need to narrow down why it happens on your system and not on others. And we have found that out, we'll see what we can do about it. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Compaq is considering changing the command Press Any Key to Press Return Key because of the flood of calls asking where the Any key is. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello List, I went the whole night happy as hell it didn't freeze up. Today again out of nowhere *BOOM* completely unexpected without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. I am trying to run TB 24/7 on a 1.6 GHz, P4, 512 DDR RAM, Cable connection (d 1.6MEG - u 800kb) with Roxios GoBack 3 Deluxe and Zone Alarm Professional running. Is anyone else experiencing the system halts? Any one have any idea what might be causing it? I've spent more than an hour and a half only to end up restoring a profile I backed up yesterday. I think it might be something with either certain mail or the amount of mail I get. Maybe its filters but It is almost impossible to find out when once it begins to halt the system I am left with no choice but imminent shut down. Please any ideas are gladly looked into as I really, really want The Bat! as my e-mail client and will gladly pay the small fee (well worth it) but not worth the problems. I e-mailed The Bat! support a while ago about the matter but they've never gotten back to me about it. I am holding no grudges about it but am weary about paying for the problems :| Thank you all for your help -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Victor, @8-Dec-2002, 15:33 -0500 (20:33 UK time) Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. ... snip VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some reason. Allie Martin, another moderator here has very strong views on the topic. Besides, Kerio is free for personal use. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9866XOeQkq5KdzaARAvqqAJ40lBMTrQD4DpOdH4jtflFIDEoAJACg9JNa ySC+aut842FXEABXlFwBOFc= =Qc1m -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Marck, VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. MDP Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which MDP has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some MDP reason. I paid good money for ZAP as it came very highly recommended but I will trade it off instantly for a *free* product that can help TB just work without halting the system. Thank you for the input Marck. Anything else anybody has got to say about the matter and I am all ears. -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Victor, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 22:08, you wrote: VBG Hello Marck, VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. MDP Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which MDP has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some MDP reason. VBG I paid good money for ZAP as it came very highly recommended VBG but I will trade it off instantly for a *free* product that can VBG help TB just work without halting the system. VBG Thank you for the input Marck. VBG Anything else anybody has got to say about the matter and I am VBG all ears. Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to Kerio and never looked back -- Mogens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'
MH Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to
MH Kerio and never looked back
Though I have my dislikes for ZAP, a freezing XP system is unlikely
to be secondary to ZAP. It tends to just mess up your internet
connection or interfere with TB!'s connection to POP servers. It
takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's stability in
that way.
If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!.
Victor,
I think you just happen to be using TB! when the lockups occur or
TB! triggers the problem with the system. An errant driver is the
likely culprit. How old is your system and does it misbehave in any
other way and with any other apps?
If you wait long enough after the freezing, do you get a blue
screen. Do you have to reboot to regain control of your system?
I was blaming IE for my ailing XP system since the BSOD's would
occur mainly while browsing. However, I soon found out it was a
problem with the system BIOS and video drivers. I had to update the
BIOS. Since then, things have been rock solid.
I'd look in that direction rather than blame TB!. TB! runs very well
in XP. I've never had a problem with TB! since I started using XP
a year ago.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Victor, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 15:33:30[GMT -0500](which was 20:33 where I live) you wrote: VBG I am trying to run TB 24/7 on a 1.6 GHz, P4, 512 DDR RAM, VBG Cable connection (d 1.6MEG - u 800kb) with Roxios GoBack 3 VBG Deluxe and Zone Alarm Professional running. I am also running ZA Pro and, to see if it was TB! or not, I disabled ZA and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. VBG Is anyone else experiencing the system halts? Any one have VBG any idea what might be causing it? I'm not getting system halts so much as TB! uses almost all of my processor and the cursor continually flashes in alternation with the hour glass and there is continual but spasmodic internet connectivity whilst TB! is open. See my [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I now close TB! unless I want to get messages. The trouble is that I can't pinpoint the time that the problem reared its ugly head. I've tried un installing and going back a couple of betas but it's no good :-( -- Best regards, Richard Never look back unless you plan on going that way. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Mogens, VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. MDP Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which MDP has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some MDP reason. MH Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to Kerio MH and never looked back I think I'll give it a try then. I hope networking with it is easy as I have a notebook and desktop that share files, folders and Internet connection. Thank you all and please, anything else and like I said I am all ears as I really like The Bat and want it, just not the problems! For those with the same problems, if you would like to try out Kerio's Firewall heres a link to it. http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_home.html -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'
RW I'm not getting system halts so much as TB! uses almost all of
RW my processor and the cursor continually flashes in alternation
RW with the hour glass and there is continual but spasmodic
RW internet connectivity whilst TB! is open. See my
RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
This happens all the time when TB! is running or does it happen as
soon as it starts checking for mail?
If ZAP is the problem then merely disabling it will not make a blind
bit of difference. You'll have to uninstall it ... doing so isn't so
easy either. Their homepage has a page that outlines how to
completely remove ZA from your system.
RW I now close TB! unless I want to get messages. The trouble is
RW that I can't pinpoint the time that the problem reared its ugly
RW head. I've tried un installing and going back a couple of betas
RW but it's no good :-(
Because it's very likely that it's not TB! that's the problem.
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Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 22:30, you wrote: ACM Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:' MH Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to MH Kerio and never looked back ACM Though I have my dislikes for ZAP, a freezing XP system is unlikely ACM to be secondary to ZAP. It tends to just mess up your internet ACM connection or interfere with TB!'s connection to POP servers. It ACM takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's stability in ACM that way. ACM If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!. You are probably right and it could just be a coincidence. But I dismantled ZAP 2 months ago and my problems disappeared - and they did not come back when I installed Kerio 3 weeks ago . XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to be rebuild. -- Best regards, Holst mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 16:34:10[GMT -0500](which was 21:34 where I live) you wrote: ACM This happens all the time when TB! is running or does it happen as ACM soon as it starts checking for mail? Unfortunately all the time. TB! behaves for the first 5 seconds after starting and then the wobbly cursor/hourglass starts and the internet connectivity starts. I have TB! set to pick up mail every 5 minutes but the activity is every few seconds. ACM If ZAP is the problem then merely disabling it will not make a blind ACM bit of difference. You'll have to uninstall it ... doing so isn't so ACM easy either. Their homepage has a page that outlines how to ACM completely remove ZA from your system. OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens although I can't understand why the two programmes worked perfectly in harmony before this. -- Best regards, Richard Early to rise, and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'
MH You are probably right and it could just be a coincidence. But I
MH dismantled ZAP 2 months ago and my problems disappeared - and
MH they did not come back when I installed Kerio 3 weeks ago .
I doubt it was a coincidence if this is what happened.
What problems were you having with your system. Was it blue
screening or locking up or were you having network problems that
would only go away for a while after a fresh reboot. The latter is
more typical of ZA.
MH XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have
MH never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to
MH be rebuild.
Same here for Win2k and XP here. TB! runs just fine on both systems
and both systems are very stable unless there's a serious problem.
These problems have never been secondary to applications such as
TB!.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'
RW OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens
RW although I can't understand why the two programmes worked
RW perfectly in harmony before this.
Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good
luck.
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Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, ACM It takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's ACM stability... I agree. XP is the most solid version of Windows I've ever played with and I've been playing with Windows since 95. ACM If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!. I can prove it's The Bat! and not because it's the newest app on my system but because right after boot-up the very first app I go to launch is The Bat! It seemed to freeze up on retrieving my mail and about an hour ago I had to hard boot my PC 15 + times before restoring an old back-up made it work again. Plus, I've owned XP for just over 8 months and I never hard booted my PC like this ever. ACM How old is your system and does it misbehave in any ACM other way and with any other apps? Never. This is the first time I've ever experienced it and my system though it's about 8 months old it's specs more than meet the requirements. ACM If you wait long enough after the freezing, do you get a blue ACM screen. Do you have to reboot to regain control of your system? It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two minutes. ACM I was blaming IE for my ailing XP system since the BSOD's would ACM occur mainly while browsing. However, I soon found out it was a ACM problem with the system BIOS and video drivers. I checked with Windows update and notice I am behind one critical, 3 regular updates. I will check with SONY about any updates for my PC A.S.A.P. ACM I'd look in that direction rather than blame TB!. I really have no choice. I performed a system reformat, repartition less than a month ago and every app on my system runs in pristine mode. I am a real freak in making sure my system is in top notch mode free of errors. Besides, today the system halted only while dealing with The Bat! Funny thing is yesterday it ran all night after rebuilding my profile and installing the newest version 1.62. the only thing I did that was odd today was restarted the PC while TB was still running. Is it possible something was still running? I don't know :( -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Sunday, 12/8/2002, 2:00 PM Hi Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, at 16:50:04 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:50 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'About TB ON XP *freezing*' RW OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens RW although I can't understand why the two programmes worked RW perfectly in harmony before this. ACM Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good ACM luck. ZAP worked flawlessly for me for almost 13 months and then went goofy on me. Within two weeks it had me thinking the system was falling apart. The same symptoms you describe. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul Do not mistake composure for ease -- Tuvok Powered by The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:'
ACM These problems have never been secondary to applications such
ACM as TB!.
I shouldn't say 'never' here. I meant 'very unlikely'. :)
TB! and other innocent applications often just trigger the *real*
problem and are then blamed as being the problem. The cause effect
relationship on the surface can be very damning indeed. I've been
there and it's really agony to deal with.
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Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 23:01, you wrote: ACM What problems were you having with your system. Was it blue ACM screening or locking up or were you having network problems that ACM would only go away for a while after a fresh reboot. The latter is ACM more typical of ZA. MH XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have MH never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to MH be rebuild. ACM Same here for Win2k and XP here. TB! runs just fine on both systems ACM and both systems are very stable unless there's a serious problem. ACM These problems have never been secondary to applications such as ACM TB!. It was locking up and I had to reboot. I could not CAD out of it. And it was only the combination of ZAP and TB! ZAP worked fine with over network programs. TB! alone is not giving me any real problems over and above what can be expected from a beta BG, and I use it in all three systems with a commen mail folder on a 4th partition. -- Mogens Holst mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG I can prove it's The Bat! and not because it's the newest app
VBG on my system but because right after boot-up the very first app
VBG I go to launch is The Bat!
The only thing I can say is that TB! triggers a problem. Whether the
problem is in fact completely in TB!'s realm of responsibility is
yet to be proven. I naturally doubt this very much since my
experience with TB! is the opposite. I run it 24/7 on my XP system
and throughout all beta's etc for the last year, it has never
interfered with XP. I hope you persevere since I'm sure there's a
culprit.
VBG It seemed to freeze up on retrieving my mail and about an hour
VBG ago I had to hard boot my PC 15 + times before restoring an old
VBG back-up made it work again.
Wow! :(
Time to get ZA out of the equation I'd say. The only way to do this
would be through a complete uninstall of it.
There are other firewalls that are equally or more effective than
ZA. I personally recommend Kerio Personal Firewall. It carries a
small footprint, is VERY stable, and does only what you tell it to.
No tricks or unexpected surprises.
OTOH, I personally can't think of another client to replace TB!
with. :)
VBG Plus, I've owned XP for just over 8 months and I never hard
VBG booted my PC like this ever.
TB! and ZA don't get along on many systems. I had a very bad
experience personally.
VBG It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What
VBG happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were
VBG to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the
VBG system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two
VBG minutes.
Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed
by some errant process.
VBG Is it possible something was still running? I don't know :(
Don't know but an open mind is important here. It's very hard to
have one in these circumstances.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'
MH It was locking up and I had to reboot. I could not CAD out of
MH it. And it was only the combination of ZAP and TB! ZAP worked
MH fine with over network programs.
Interesting. I've never heard ZAP and TB! creating such serious
problems until now. I must remember this one.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 16:50:04[GMT -0500](which was 21:50 where I live) you wrote: ACM Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good ACM luck. Un installed, rebooted and no change. shucks :-( -- Best regards, Richard The early bird suffers from insomnia Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, ACM The only thing I can say is that TB! triggers a problem. Whether the ACM problem is in fact completely in TB!'s realm of responsibility is ACM yet to be proven. I naturally doubt this very much since my ACM experience with TB! is the opposite. I run it 24/7 on my XP system ACM and throughout all beta's etc for the last year, it has never ACM interfered with XP. I hope you persevere since I'm sure there's a ACM culprit. I'll find it. I will kick in Kerio as soon as possible too but want to get the network up and running with Kerio before I finally decide to stick with it. Thank you a thousand times as it feels good to know not everyone with XP is having the problem. I want TB! too :) I will let you know of any updates to my progress as they come along. -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hi All, On 8 Dec 2002 17:19:07 (my local time 14:19:07), Allie C Martin wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Time to get ZA out of the equation I'd say. The only way to do this would be through a complete uninstall of it. ZA is absolutely a pig to un-install. Refer to the following URL for detail. http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/support/znalmInstallFAQ.jsp -- Regards, Anthony Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:19:07 -0500 GMT (09/12/02, 05:19 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: VBG It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What VBG happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were VBG to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the VBG system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two VBG minutes. Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed by some errant process. I think so too. Now the question is to find out which process that is. Victor, can you check memory usage before starting TB and then again when the sluggish behaviour starts? Which app or process is using the resources? (If you wait until it is all bad, you might not be able to use the memory tool any more.) Just an idea. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
