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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 1:22:50 AM UTC+4:30, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Im using TW through Node. I upgraded yesterday and noticed:
>
>- several official plugins (bibtex, katex, etc) are still at 5.1.20 
>(which means they didnt upgrade to 5.1.21 either)
>- the official plugin library no longer appears when I click "get more 
>plugins". I only see two tabs for my two external plugin libraries (Tobias 
>and Kookma). 
>
> Diego! It seems the official plugin tiddler is missed! Hope Jeremy have a 
look!
 

>
>- 
>
>
> Diego
>

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[tw5] Re: embed a wiki in another one

I mean displaying the content of a wiki in another one in a single tiddler such 
as iframe does. The usage of permalinks in a main wiki is a time consuming 
solution, include plugin-like methods not available, so probably I will use the 
iframe if there is no other variants.

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[tw5] Re: Converting TWC to TW5 Google Maps insert

2020-04-16 Thread Dave

Oh, yes, now I see the "Share > Embed a map"
Thank you so much!

(My wife says I'm bad at finding things too, ha ha)

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[tw5] Re: embed a wiki in another one

Stephan

Do explain what you mean by embed.

I sometimes use an iframe

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Commander

Hi Damon,

Look at 

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/#%24%3A%2FCommander

Under *Select tiddlers*, you see two buttons *select all* and  *deselect 
all*
Simply click *deselct all*

No matter when and in which session you do this!

NOTE: For non-selective operation Commander do not use tag. Only for 
selective operation tag is used.
This is because it lets user to filter their tiddlers in two stage. First 
one can search a bunch of tiddlers for operation
and then select among them where writing filter may be cumbersome.

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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:39:23 AM UTC+4:30, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I've noticed that any tiddlers that I've done a search and replace in with 
> Commander had the tage $:/tags/Commander/Working added to them. Is there 
> anyway that this can be avoided? At present, I'm having to manually go in a 
> delete that tag from all of the tiddlers that I just modified using 
> Commander.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Re: embed a wiki in another one

Thanks for the answer. What plugins do you use for this? How to embed other 
wikis and list them in sidebar?

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[tw5] Re: Converting TWC to TW5 Google Maps insert

fredag den 17. april 2020 kl. 05.42.31 UTC+2 skrev Dave:
>
> P.S.,. I was editing in tiddlywikidesktop, but when I view the same in a 
> normal browser it says "www.google.com refused to connect"
>

Try this:
https://www.google.com/maps/embed?pb=!1m18!1m12!1m3!1d2330.0509059514625!2d-110.73019668451398!3d54.267676980182394!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!3m3!1m2!1s0x53a707809f7b570f%3A0x9782866fd08806ad!2sCedar%20Chiropractic!5e0!3m2!1sda!2sdk!4v1587098262089!5m2!1sda!2sdk;
 
width="600" height="450" frameborder="0" style="border:0;" allowfullscreen=
"" aria-hidden="false" tabindex="0">

Or follow the link in the map, to create a new link.

Birthe

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Re: [tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

That'll be good because I have not been able to get BOB to work on my single 
file.
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16 Apr 2020, 23:27 by inmyso...@gmail.com:

> The new version of bob lets you enable automatic backups. I am going to work 
> on making handling single file wikis with in more seemless so it can work as 
> an index of them as well as the node wikis.
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[tw5] Re: Freelinking example?

2020-04-16 Thread SteveH

Ha! Found and solved the prob, have to load/install the plugin first.



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[tw5] Re: Converting TWC to TW5 Google Maps insert

2020-04-16 Thread Dave

P.S.,. I was editing in tiddlywikidesktop, but when I view the same in a 
normal browser it says "www.google.com refused to connect"

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[tw5] Freelinking example?

2020-04-16 Thread SteveH

The new version of TW has a 'New freelinks plugin for automatically 
creating links out of tiddler titles'.

Is there a setting to enable this? 

Please provide an example of the plugin.

Regards

SteveH


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[tw5] Re: Show Title of Tiddler with some Chars Trimmed from Front of String

David,

As Mark said and 
You can call them  "X-10 Camera" and "X-10 Sled" or "X-10 a" and "X-10 b" *Just 
don't use a value in the title to determine if it is a camera or a sled. *
Use titles to help distinguish between different objects with similar 
names, but don't use titles to perform other functions like a category or 
class that can be set with a field or tag and other ways.

As they say "trust me", I am not kidding, this is based on deep experience 
of knowledge, information and database management.

To prove this I never have problems naming or renaming tiddlers, and I am 
curious why this is a problem for many?. I have tried to document how I 
manage this, but it has eluded me so far :(

Regards
Tony

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:39:20 AM UTC+10, David wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I definitely understand where you're coming 
> from.  In fact, elsewhere in my TW, I have a tiddler, Plastic Cup, that is 
> both a todo item and a dollar tree shopping list item (done via tags) at 
> the same time.
>
> But using the compound titles is actually done because I didn't want to 
> have one name that was ambiguous.  I might have one tiddler that refers to 
> a sled: "Sled: Snow: X-10".  While I may have another X-10 tiddler that is 
> actually a web cam: "Camera: X-10"
>
> In that example, I couldn't have two tidlers named "X-10" could I?  One 
> with sled and snow tags, and the other with camera tag?
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 3:10:56 AM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> David
>>
>> Can I suggest in future you avoid compound titles and use tags or fields 
>> to indicate sled and snow etc...
>>
>> The thing about tiddlywiki is tiddlers titles are their own unique key to 
>> the content within. In database technology we know compound keys lead to 
>> problems including two names for the same content.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: template for translcusion of wiki content

Jean-Pierre,

I am sorry, Your question is to complex and too hard to follow. 

   - Can you attach some tiddlers that demonstrate the problem on 
   tiddlywiki.com?
   - Can you show a simple example of what you are not able to do?
   - view gadget? view Widget?
   - If you asked what you want rather than showing us how you have tried 
   to get it, it may be easier for us to help.
   - Just saying something does not work is not helpful, what is the "bad" 
   result?
   - If you look behind the scenes in tiddlywiki you can often see how it 
   is done there and emulate it yourself.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 8:55:17 AM UTC+10, Jean-Pierre Rivière wrote:
>
> thank you for the <> macro. My tw5 version is 5.1.22.
>
> BTW, I cannot be successful into transforming the icon into an image link 
> to the tiddler of the displayed tip. Either the icon disappear, ot the 
> target of the link is not there or I have my coding directly written.
>
> \define !tipDirect(tiddler)
> <$tiddler tiddler="$tiddler$">
>  alt="tiddler for this tip">{{$:/core/images/tip}}<$transclude 
> mode="block"/>
> \end
>
> is nearly good but the link is not functional (once it opened tiddlers for 
> every word in the title of the tip). More simply I was thinking to code:
>
> \define !tipDirect(tiddler)
> <$tiddler tiddler="$tiddler$">
>  class="tip-icon">[[{{$:/core/images/tip}}|$tiddler]]<$transclude 
> mode="block"/>
> \end
>
> but the icons is not displayed here.
>
> I also tried
>
> \define !tipDirect(tiddler)
> <$tiddler tiddler="$tiddler$">
>  class="tip-icon">[[{{$:/core/images/tip}}\{{!!title}}]]<$transclude 
> mode="block"/>
> \end
>
> but the link is to "{{!!title}}" and of coure there is no more image.
>

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[tw5] Re: Change behaviour with pdf files.

Gursimran


1. When I drag/ drop a pdf file into a tiddler, it embeds it into the HTML 
> file. Is there a way to change it and have it store it in a directory and 
> link to it, instead?
>

   - Yes, if you can place it anywhere for which you can access with a 
   link, and place the link in tiddlywiki - then you have done it
   - You need something like tiddlydesktop if you want full access to the 
   local computer files and folders (browsers are too secure now days, 
   although there are workarounds)

2. When I click the link to the pdf file, it opens a tiddler containing the 
> pdf (like in a browser). Can I have it open with the default system program 
> so that I can annotate it and my annotations hold?
>

   - Yes, but this can depend on browser or desktop and if you annotations 
   software has the rights. I use foxit reader, and I must run the local 
   desktop application to annotate. The file on disk changes, so if you have a 
   link to it it should open the "latest copy"

 

> 3. Is there a Monokai theme available? Or a similar dark theme.
>

   - I do not no Monikai
   - The newer release has a new dark Palette rather than theme for 
   tiddlywiki
   Control Panel > Apperence > Palette - try each and you will find the 
   dark ones.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: custom timestamp fields?

Nutt,

I use date stamps a lot, especially to drive periodical items, for example 
a weekly-review field with a date stamp becomes due again once the date 
stamp is older than 7 days. I do not touch javascript.

Here are some quick leads.

   - Set a field to the result of <>   
   see  and this 
   
   - Use a button to setfield
   - Use the Date Picker Plugin http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/

Try this trick if you want to accept simple formatted dates
<$edit-text field="date-field" field="myconfig" type="date"/>

But then you would be wise to convert these to tiddlywiki date/time serial 
number to make full use of the days operator and more such as comparing 
with a system date or today.

*Just ask if you come across some gaps!*

It is my considered view if you are using javascript functions in 
tiddlywiki rather than its existing methods

   - You are doing it the wrong way
   - You have discovered a gap that should be considered as a new feature 
   or a plugin to be developed for the community.


Regards
Tony


On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:01:35 PM UTC+10, grundyunderhill wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Is there any way to make TW treat a user-defined field as a timestamp, 
> like it does for the built-in "created" and "modified" fields?
>
> My use case is that I want to capture timestamps of other events (besides 
> creation and modification), and be able to perform Date-related 
> calculations against them.  Closest I've come so far is saving a string in 
> same format as it uses for "modified", and writing a custom filter operator 
> which calls $tw.Tiddler.fieldModules.modified.parse() to convert string to 
> Date object.  It works, but I feel like it would be cleaner if I could just 
> check whether it's a Date already, and ignore everything else...
>
> Thanks,
> Nutt
>

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[tw5] Converting TWC to TW5 Google Maps insert

2020-04-16 Thread Dave

Hi,

I have a 10 year old website for my business that really needs to be 
updated to TW5.  Most things work fine with a copy and paste, but my google 
maps tiddler showing where I am isn't converting properly - other than the 
link to view the map externally, its just blank.  I tried deleting the 
 tags, and deleting the iframe size variables, but nothing is working 
so far.

Here's what works in TWC

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=time=date=ttype=q=cedar+chiropractic+bonnyvilleie=UTF8om=1cid=54267970,-110732417,10917436261497570989s=AARTsJrSmcUxRsiC-5igH3bP_-E8w32fSAll=54.275349,-110.728197spn=0.017541,0.036478z=14iwloc=Aoutput=embed;>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=time=date=ttype=q=cedar+chiropractic+bonnyvilleie=UTF8om=1cid=54267970,-110732417,10917436261497570989ll=54.275349,-110.728197spn=0.017541,0.036478z=14iwloc=Asource=embed;
 
style="color:#FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map


I also tried copying everything in the "scr=" bit and pasting it into one 
of the iframes on tiddlywiki.com, but that was blank too

Any suggestions?


thanks,
- Dave

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[tw5] custom timestamp fields?

2020-04-16 Thread grundyunderhill

Hi all,
Is there any way to make TW treat a user-defined field as a timestamp, like 
it does for the built-in "created" and "modified" fields?

My use case is that I want to capture timestamps of other events (besides 
creation and modification), and be able to perform Date-related 
calculations against them.  Closest I've come so far is saving a string in 
same format as it uses for "modified", and writing a custom filter operator 
which calls $tw.Tiddler.fieldModules.modified.parse() to convert string to 
Date object.  It works, but I feel like it would be cleaner if I could just 
check whether it's a Date already, and ignore everything else...

Thanks,
Nutt

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[tw5] 5.1.22 MenuBar colors

2020-04-16 Thread Damon Pritchett

Hey all,

I don't know if many people have played with the menubar yet, but I'm 
wondering how I can change the colors of the menu items. For example, I 
have the sidebar selected as being part of the sidebar. When I select that 
and move down the sidebar menu items, the item I'm hovering over has the 
background color of the palette's general primary color. I'd like to be 
able to change this without changing the general primary color for the rest 
of the TW. Any ideas? I've played with the inspect feature to look at the 
styles and such, but that hasn't helped me yet because it's a hover thing.

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Change behaviour with pdf files.

2020-04-16 Thread Gursimran

Hi,

I have three questions

1. When I drag/ drop a pdf file into a tiddler, it embeds it into the HTML 
file. Is there a way to change it and have it store it in a directory and 
link to it, instead?
2. When I click the link to the pdf file, it opens a tiddler containing the 
pdf (like in a browser). Can I have it open with the default system program 
so that I can annotate it and my annotations hold?
3. Is there a Monokai theme available? Or a similar dark theme.

Thanks.

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Re: [tw5] Re: template for translcusion of wiki content

Too tired to give elaborate answer but see LinkWidget in the docs. It is 
what one is supposed to use and takes care of all the stuff, including 
class, tooltip etc.

<:-)
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: template for translcusion of wiki content

2020-04-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Rivière

thank you for the <> macro. My tw5 version is 5.1.22.

BTW, I cannot be successful into transforming the icon into an image link
to the tiddler of the displayed tip. Either the icon disappear, ot the
target of the link is not there or I have my coding directly written.

\define !tipDirect(tiddler)
<$tiddler tiddler="$tiddler$">
{{$:/core/images/tip}}<$transclude
mode="block"/>
\end

is nearly good but the link is not functional (once it opened tiddlers for
every word in the title of the tip). More simply I was thinking to code:

\define !tipDirect(tiddler)
<$tiddler tiddler="$tiddler$">
[[{{$:/core/images/tip}}|$tiddler]]<$transclude
mode="block"/>
\end

but the icons is not displayed here.

I also tried

\define !tipDirect(tiddler)
<$tiddler tiddler="$tiddler$">
[[{{$:/core/images/tip}}\{{!!title}}]]<$transclude
mode="block"/>
\end

but the link is to "{{!!title}}" and of coure there is no more image.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

*Hi Saq,*

Wow, thanks for the demo! Wasn't expecting anything until next week, since
you said you were pretty busy. See my replies in *bold*

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:21 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Updated demo: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/doubleblink.html
>
> I have only spent a few minutes looking at Roam, but from what I saw
> doesn't it have one note open on the left, and can have several open in the
> sidebar on the right?
>

*Yes, good point, the fixed one is left and you can have a river of open
pages in the sidebar. I guess it all comes down to whether the column with
'one fixed tiddler' is considered the primary column or the secondary
column. Or maybe we need to forget that question since there are many ways
to use it.*

> Anyway, good to take inspiration but ultimately the aim should be to
> create a workflow that makes sense and is useful.
>

*Since we both had the same personal preference, let's run with one on left
and river on right.*

>
> These are the eyesore icons I am referring to, which can be used to
> hide/show the second story without closing all the tiddlers in it:
>

*Ah, I am seeing that in the demo you link to in this post, but it wasn't
in the demo you sent before that I turned into DoubleBlink.*

>
> [image: dualstoryicon.JPG]
>
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> The behaviour for the display of the second story is as follows:
>
>- the second story is always closed when there is no tiddler open it
>
> *good *

>
>- shift clicking any tiddler link opens the second story and the
>tiddler there.
>
> *good *

>
>- with the second story open, you have a button you can use to toggle
>it. That is, you can leave tiddlers open in the second story but hide the
>story, and open it again later.
>In my personal use I have found this extremely useful, and anyone that
>doesn't want this functionality can not use it or disable it.
>- We need better icons and need to consider where to place this
>button, perhaps in the page controls alone is enough?
>
> *Page control is enough, I think. The icon you used doesn't bother me. It
communicates the idea well. Not sure what you are thinking. *

>
>- (Personally I also use a keyboard shortcut for this) The button in
>the page control area can already be disabled via configuration options and
>the one in the side bar can also be made a config option.
>
> Regarding folding:
>
>- you could put the fold button to the left of the tiddler title.
>Alternatively the tiddler title itself could be clickable and act to
>fold/unfold the tiddler.
>
> *Yes, left of the tiddler title is good and imitates Roam. With narrow
columns, I am wondering about tiddler titles. Is there a way to drop them
down below the toolbar? I tried once a couple of years ago and it looked
really complicated.*

>
>- I do feel like "fold others" would be useful if offered better
>affordance.
>
> *I would say to make it optional or have it in More. Already too many
buttons*

>
>- Note that I bake in the setting that turns all Tiddler titles into
>links. This is handy to shift-click and open the same tiddler in the other
>story. However, this and the divert buttons offer very similar
>functionality and we don't necessarily need both.
>
> *Not a big fan of titles as links. I do a lot of printing from tw's, and
treat titles as text. At least this is fairly easy for users to add if they
want.*

>
>- Shift+ click on the title opens the same tiddler in the other story,
>now you have it in both stories. Divert moves it to the other story.
>So there is room here to choose one of the two and either not have the
>tiddler titles as links, or not have the divert buttons and free up toolbar
>space.
>
> *Great!*


*You didn't mention it, but the sidebar over the column is great. Right way
to go. *

*FYI, The 'divert to the left' is just closing the tiddlers on the right,
not diverting them.*

*Oh, wait, with the sidebar set up like this, there is no way to horizontal
scroll. Some of the tiddlers in the system tab are long and unreadable. Not
sure what to do about that. I still prefer the sidebar coming out over the
right column.But it makes sections of the system and shadow tabs unusable.*


*At some point I will try to reduce the space between the two columns by
half, and add that space to the far right so the right side tiddlers don't
touch the side. *

*I can actually see myself using the Open tab with a setup like this,
something I never use (because I typically use zoomin)*

Regards,
> Saq
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[tw5] Commander

2020-04-16 Thread Damon Pritchett

Mohammad,

I've noticed that any tiddlers that I've done a search and replace in with 
Commander had the tage $:/tags/Commander/Working added to them. Is there 
anyway that this can be avoided? At present, I'm having to manually go in a 
delete that tag from all of the tiddlers that I just modified using 
Commander.

Thanks,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: Show Title of Tiddler with some Chars Trimmed from Front of String

2020-04-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki



On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:39:20 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I definitely understand where you're coming 
> from.  In fact, elsewhere in my TW, I have a tiddler, Plastic Cup, that is 
> both a todo item and a dollar tree shopping list item (done via tags) at 
> the same time.
>
> But using the compound titles is actually done because I didn't want to 
> have one name that was ambiguous.  I might have one tiddler that refers to 
> a sled: "Sled: Snow: X-10".  While I may have another X-10 tiddler that is 
> actually a web cam: "Camera: X-10"
>
> In that example, I couldn't have two tidlers named "X-10" could I?  One 
> with sled and snow tags, and the other with camera tag?
>
>
You can put "X-10" in caption or description field. Storing the 
information, as Tony pointed out, leads to all sorts of headaches.

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[tw5] Re: Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

I made a plugin that lets you export a wiki that has the editing pieces 
removed. https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/readonlycore/

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[tw5] Re: embed a wiki in another one

I use bob, I have all of my wikis listed in the sidebar in a tree structure 
and have one wiki for each project/topic. I have around 100 wikis with my 
current setup.

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[tw5] Upgrading and Plugins

2020-04-16 Thread Diego Mesa

Hello all,

Im using TW through Node. I upgraded yesterday and noticed:

   - several official plugins (bibtex, katex, etc) are still at 5.1.20 
   (which means they didnt upgrade to 5.1.21 either)
   - the official plugin library no longer appears when I click "get more 
   plugins". I only see two tabs for my two external plugin libraries (Tobias 
   and Kookma). 
   

Diego

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Re: [tw5] Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

Jeremy,

It happens. I will stick with 5.1.21 for the time being. Thanks for the 
update! 

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 4:41:56 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi HokieGeek, Saq,
>
> This does indeed sound like an unintended consequence of fixing the bug 
> whereby system tiddlers weren’t dynamically synced from the server to the 
> client. (One of the pleasures of fixing bugs is finding another bug 
> underneath…)
>
> I’ll have a proper look tomorrow, but I think we need to make special 
> allowance for $:/StoryList and a few other per-user settings.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 16 Apr 2020, at 21:34, HokieGeek > 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, it does. The first client that requests the wiki gets just the 
> default tiddlers, but all other requests get whatever tiddlers that one 
> instance has
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> I suspect this change in the sync behaviour has unanticipated 
>> consequences, which we are seeing now.
>>
>> Does the same problem occur if you shutdown the node instance, delete the 
>> storylist and then restart it?
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:46:21 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>>>
>>> I spoke a little too soon. It's *almost* fixed in that it no longer is 
>>> live synching, but now I have a less terrible issue but still gonna keep me 
>>> from upgrading.
>>>
>>> The issue:
>>>
>>> If I have a browser instance opened to my wiki, the next instances will 
>>> load with all the default tiddlers as expected, but then they get replaced 
>>> with the same StoryList as the previously opened instance.
>>>
>>> Once they do their initial start, they no longer synchronize no matter 
>>> which instance I change.
>>>
>>> Importantly, all new instances will start with the same tiddlers that 
>>> the original instance had when it first connected with the server, even if 
>>> I change that original instance.
>>>
>>> If I close all instances, then create a new one, it still gets those 
>>> tiddlers that the original instance started with.
>>>
>>> I deleted $:/StoryList from disk and it's not getting created again.
>>>
>>> Seems like the StoryList is getting cached on the server and the only 
>>> way to clear it is by restarting it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to 
 not sync $:/StoryList

 The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on 
 node.

 On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
> tiddlers.
>
> A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
> being saved.
>
> Eric provides instructions here:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>>
>> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 
>> on node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
>> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to 
>> change.
>>
>> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW 
>> instance, it would create a new StoryList.
>> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of 
>> tiddlers open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another 
>> user's) 
>> could have a different set of tiddlers open.
>> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the 
>> StoryList gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all 
>> instances will have the same tiddlers open.
>>
>> Has anybody experienced this?
>>
>>
>>
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[tw5] embed a wiki in another one

In case I want to use multiple wikis and want to embed wikis into a master 
wiki. Because the include plugin from TWC don't work n TW. Any way to do 
this? To display the content of wikis in a main wiki.

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Re: [tw5] Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

2020-04-16 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi HokieGeek, Saq,

This does indeed sound like an unintended consequence of fixing the bug whereby 
system tiddlers weren’t dynamically synced from the server to the client. (One 
of the pleasures of fixing bugs is finding another bug underneath…)

I’ll have a proper look tomorrow, but I think we need to make special allowance 
for $:/StoryList and a few other per-user settings.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 16 Apr 2020, at 21:34, HokieGeek  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it does. The first client that requests the wiki gets just the default 
> tiddlers, but all other requests get whatever tiddlers that one instance has
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> I suspect this change in the sync behaviour has unanticipated consequences, 
> which we are seeing now.
> 
> Does the same problem occur if you shutdown the node instance, delete the 
> storylist and then restart it?
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:46:21 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
> I spoke a little too soon. It's *almost* fixed in that it no longer is live 
> synching, but now I have a less terrible issue but still gonna keep me from 
> upgrading.
> 
> The issue:
> 
> If I have a browser instance opened to my wiki, the next instances will load 
> with all the default tiddlers as expected, but then they get replaced with 
> the same StoryList as the previously opened instance.
> 
> Once they do their initial start, they no longer synchronize no matter which 
> instance I change.
> 
> Importantly, all new instances will start with the same tiddlers that the 
> original instance had when it first connected with the server, even if I 
> change that original instance.
> 
> If I close all instances, then create a new one, it still gets those tiddlers 
> that the original instance started with.
> 
> I deleted $:/StoryList from disk and it's not getting created again.
> 
> Seems like the StoryList is getting cached on the server and the only way to 
> clear it is by restarting it.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to not 
> sync $:/StoryList
> 
> The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on node.
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system tiddlers.
> 
> A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from being 
> saved.
> 
> Eric provides instructions here:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ
>  
> 
> 
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
> node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.
> 
> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, it 
> would create a new StoryList.
> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of tiddlers 
> open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) could have 
> a different set of tiddlers open.
> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList gets 
> updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances will have 
> the same tiddlers open.
> 
> Has anybody experienced this?
> 
> 
> 
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[tw5] Re: Show Title of Tiddler with some Chars Trimmed from Front of String

2020-04-16 Thread David

Tony,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I definitely understand where you're coming 
from.  In fact, elsewhere in my TW, I have a tiddler, Plastic Cup, that is 
both a todo item and a dollar tree shopping list item (done via tags) at 
the same time.

But using the compound titles is actually done because I didn't want to 
have one name that was ambiguous.  I might have one tiddler that refers to 
a sled: "Sled: Snow: X-10".  While I may have another X-10 tiddler that is 
actually a web cam: "Camera: X-10"

In that example, I couldn't have two tidlers named "X-10" could I?  One 
with sled and snow tags, and the other with camera tag?

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 3:10:56 AM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> David
>
> Can I suggest in future you avoid compound titles and use tags or fields 
> to indicate sled and snow etc...
>
> The thing about tiddlywiki is tiddlers titles are their own unique key to 
> the content within. In database technology we know compound keys lead to 
> problems including two names for the same content.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

Yes, it does. The first client that requests the wiki gets just the default 
tiddlers, but all other requests get whatever tiddlers that one instance has

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I suspect this change in the sync behaviour has unanticipated 
> consequences, which we are seeing now.
>
> Does the same problem occur if you shutdown the node instance, delete the 
> storylist and then restart it?
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:46:21 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>>
>> I spoke a little too soon. It's *almost* fixed in that it no longer is 
>> live synching, but now I have a less terrible issue but still gonna keep me 
>> from upgrading.
>>
>> The issue:
>>
>> If I have a browser instance opened to my wiki, the next instances will 
>> load with all the default tiddlers as expected, but then they get replaced 
>> with the same StoryList as the previously opened instance.
>>
>> Once they do their initial start, they no longer synchronize no matter 
>> which instance I change.
>>
>> Importantly, all new instances will start with the same tiddlers that the 
>> original instance had when it first connected with the server, even if I 
>> change that original instance.
>>
>> If I close all instances, then create a new one, it still gets those 
>> tiddlers that the original instance started with.
>>
>> I deleted $:/StoryList from disk and it's not getting created again.
>>
>> Seems like the StoryList is getting cached on the server and the only way 
>> to clear it is by restarting it.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to 
>>> not sync $:/StoryList
>>>
>>> The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on 
>>> node.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
 tiddlers.

 A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
 being saved.

 Eric provides instructions here:

 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ

 On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>
> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
> node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to 
> change.
>
> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, 
> it would create a new StoryList.
> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of 
> tiddlers open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another 
> user's) 
> could have a different set of tiddlers open.
> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
> gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
> will have the same tiddlers open.
>
> Has anybody experienced this?
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Optional restore-button for the browserstorage-plugin?

I don't know the details of your setup, but we could make a saver that sends 
the students edits to you as the save method. They could have local storage for 
short term unreliable storage and the more persistent save would be having them 
sent to the server in some form you could check on. The specifics depend on 
what type of server backend you are using, but if that setup would be.useful I 
could look into how easy it would be to make.

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

The new version of bob lets you enable automatic backups. I am going to work on 
making handling single file wikis with in more seemless so it can work as an 
index of them as well as the node wikis.

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[tw5] Re: SVG Editor?

2020-04-16 Thread David

Gloom,

The second link looks similar to Method Draw that i've been using. I'll 
check it out.

But that first link has some real promise!  Thanks!


On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:52:59 AM UTC-4, A Gloom wrote:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/Vh-LXr3VdeM/discussion
>
> https://github.com/SVG-Edit/svgedit
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[tw5] Re: SVG Editor?

2020-04-16 Thread David

Yeah I did that first and it worked just fine for getting it in.

What I"m doing now is copying the source from the tiddler and pasting that 
into the Method Draw (looks like SVG-edit would do it too) to be able to 
edit the image.  Then I view source again and copy paste that back into the 
tiddler.

I was just wondering if there was a known plugin that would read that the 
tiddler was svg and bring up an inline editor.  Then saving it would paste 
the code back into the tiddler.  I guess it was a long shot for something 
so seamless.  There used to be a firefox plugin called xinha or something 
that did that for html.

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:50:32 AM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Have you saved it as an .svg file and tried dragging and dropping it on 
> your wiki?
>
> tony
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Updated demo: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/doubleblink.html

I have only spent a few minutes looking at Roam, but from what I saw
doesn't it have one note open on the left, and can have several open in the
sidebar on the right?
Anyway, good to take inspiration but ultimately the aim should be to create
a workflow that makes sense and is useful.

These are the eyesore icons I am referring to, which can be used to
hide/show the second story without closing all the tiddlers in it:

[image: dualstoryicon.JPG]

The behaviour for the display of the second story is as follows:

- the second story is always closed when there is no tiddler open it
- shift clicking any tiddler link opens the second story and the tiddler
there.
- with the second story open, you have a button you can use to toggle
it. That is, you can leave tiddlers open in the second story but hide the
story, and open it again later.
In my personal use I have found this extremely useful, and anyone that
doesn't want this functionality can not use it or disable it.
- We need better icons and need to consider where to place this button,
perhaps in the page controls alone is enough?
(Personally I also use a keyboard shortcut for this) The button in the
page control area can already be disabled via configuration options and the
one in the side bar can also be made a config option.

Regarding folding:

- you could put the fold button to the left of the tiddler title.
Alternatively the tiddler title itself could be clickable and act to
fold/unfold the tiddler.
- I do feel like "fold others" would be useful if offered better
affordance.
- Note that I bake in the setting that turns all Tiddler titles into
links. This is handy to shift-click and open the same tiddler in the other
story. However, this and the divert buttons offer very similar
functionality and we don't necessarily need both.
Shift+ click on the title opens the same tiddler in the other story, now
you have it in both stories. Divert moves it to the other story.
So there is room here to choose one of the two and either not have the
tiddler titles as links, or not have the divert buttons and free up toolbar
space.

Regards,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

I suspect this change in the sync behaviour has unanticipated consequences, 
which we are seeing now.

Does the same problem occur if you shutdown the node instance, delete the 
storylist and then restart it?

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:46:21 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>
> I spoke a little too soon. It's *almost* fixed in that it no longer is 
> live synching, but now I have a less terrible issue but still gonna keep me 
> from upgrading.
>
> The issue:
>
> If I have a browser instance opened to my wiki, the next instances will 
> load with all the default tiddlers as expected, but then they get replaced 
> with the same StoryList as the previously opened instance.
>
> Once they do their initial start, they no longer synchronize no matter 
> which instance I change.
>
> Importantly, all new instances will start with the same tiddlers that the 
> original instance had when it first connected with the server, even if I 
> change that original instance.
>
> If I close all instances, then create a new one, it still gets those 
> tiddlers that the original instance started with.
>
> I deleted $:/StoryList from disk and it's not getting created again.
>
> Seems like the StoryList is getting cached on the server and the only way 
> to clear it is by restarting it.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to 
>> not sync $:/StoryList
>>
>> The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on 
>> node.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
>>> tiddlers.
>>>
>>> A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
>>> being saved.
>>>
>>> Eric provides instructions here:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:

 Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
 node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
 unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to 
 change.

 In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, 
 it would create a new StoryList.
 The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of 
 tiddlers open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) 
 could have a different set of tiddlers open.
 When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
 gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
 will have the same tiddlers open.

 Has anybody experienced this?




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Re: [tw5] Optional restore-button for the browserstorage-plugin?

2020-04-16 Thread Jan


Hi Tony,
thanks for engaging in the discussion.
I do not need the browserstorage - but other users of my wikis (my 
students) would need it.
I do not need it because my edits are saved on the server. And I always 
want to work with the newest version on the server. And I do not want 
deleted and renamed tiddlers to come to life again.
My students sometimes are buffled, that the changes they made are not 
saved and it is unpleasant to tell them, that they are lost unless they 
posted them to me.
So I need a construction that prevents this ... without interfering into 
my editing.


Best wishes Jan




Am 16.04.2020 um 12:18 schrieb TonyM:

Jan

I don't Actualy understand your perceived problem. The local storage saves and 
retains the updates in the browser and if you return to the same address it 
will be there although some cases of possible loss. To combat this I thought of 
a export button that exports changes as a backup, where most users can't save 
to the original file only a backup.

If you try and leave a site even if local storage is up To date it will warn 
its not saved.

So I think its operation my be different to what you think. I have researched 
this a lot so when its clearer happy to discuss further.

Regards
Tony



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Re: [tw5] How do I get a list of tiddlers from a filter and then manipulate the fields / tags on each in a loop?

2020-04-16 Thread Xavier Cazin

Hi Andrew,

Action widgets can only be triggered by a user action, like clicking on a
button, dropping a tiddler, or loading the wiki. They can't be triggered
by, say, the $list widget, eventhough you may use a $list to produce some
of the action strings.

\define done()
<$action-listops $tags="done"/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-copy-to-clipboard" $param=<>/>
<$list filter="[tag[bar]]">
  <$action-setfield foo="done"/>

\end

<$checkbox checkactions="<>"> Is it done?

In the example above, the list of actions to be executed when the box gets
checked are grouped in a macro.
The list of actions to be executed are most often passed to the control
widget via an *actions* attribute.

Best,
-- Xavier


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:42 PM leeand00  wrote:

> I'm aware there are widgets that will modify them...for instance
> <$action-listops>
> can modify fields, but I don't know how to use a filter like
> [tag[some-tag-they-all-have]sort[create-or-mod-date]] and to loop through
> them performing a similar action on each.
>
> I'd also like to be able to include an index, or obtain them sorted by
> create-or-modification date.
>
> Thank you,
> Andrew J. Leer
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[tw5] Re: How do I get a list of tiddlers from a filter and then manipulate the fields / tags on each in a loop?

Ah, last part should be 

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[tw5] Re: How do I get a list of tiddlers from a filter and then manipulate the fields / tags on each in a loop?

This is the basic idea

<$button>
execute
<$list filter="...">
<$action-setfield  />

<$/button>

Ref 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#ActionSetFieldWidget

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[tw5] Re: Freelinks + alias

blarg H wrote:
>
> Is there a guide on how to build plugins from scratch?. Do I use 
> javascript?
>

The "poor mans plugin" is actually just to tag all tiddlers that belong 
together with a shared tag. Then the tag itself can be used as a "handle" 
to drag'n drop that set of tiddlers as one unit even if they are still 
separate tiddlers.

Real plugins can be made from wikitext or from javascript. To create 
wikitext plugins, the simplest way is to use Andreas Hahns "Tinka plugin 
packer" - https://tinkaplugin.github.io/ . 

The Tinka plugin packer is not overly difficult to use but there are a few 
quirks so, for the 2017 Oxford Meetup, I made a presentation about Tinka 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP6ufs19q6c  (...yes, it could have been 
shorter).

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

2020-04-16 Thread Cyrill

TX for your reply,

Yes I mean using tags or fields value to specify in which story a tiddler 
opens in. This is useful when you have links to tiddlers in the left story, 
you want only show in the right story (without using the little arrows 
above).

Kind regards

Am Donnerstag, 16. April 2020 18:44:06 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>
> Cyril: Unless I've misunderstood you, the behaviour is already as you 
> describe. The left story is the default one. As such all links in menus, 
> sidebars etc (i.e. anywhere outside a story) will open in that default left 
> story unless you also hold down shift.
>
> The only exception to this is the Open sidebar tab, where the links 
> showing which tiddlers are open in the left pane can be clicked to scroll 
> those tiddlers into view.
>
> Or do you mean using tags or fields to specify which story a tiddler opens 
> in?
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:24:54 PM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:
>>
>> Hey Saq,
>>
>> I think it can be useful to force tiddlers (tags or fields) only to open 
>> via links oder sidetabs in one story pane (only on left side or right 
>> side). 
>>
>> Just an idea...
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 16. April 2020 16:55:43 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>>>
>>> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project 
>>> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
>>> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
>>> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
>>> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
>>> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>>>
>>> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
>>> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
>>> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
>>> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
>>> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
>>> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
>>> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
>>> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
>>> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
>>> in the first story as well. 
>>>
>>> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a 
>>> user configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration 
>>> demo, the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open 
>>> whereas the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple 
>>> tiddlers open. Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as 
>>> changing its storyview to classic. 
>>> I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
>>> configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
>>> serve as the default.
>>>
>>> Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
>>> and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
>>> is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
>>> this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
>>> seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
>>> TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.
>>>
>>> Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
>>> already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
>>> ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
>>> allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
>>> My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that 
>>> can be used to trigger two different modals: 
>>> - one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the 
>>> main story or shift+click to open in the second story.
>>> - the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
>>> This is a key part of my personal notetaking workflow. I can't currently 
>>> share a demo as I am in the process of updating from TiddlyWiki 5.1.17 and 
>>> replacing my custom code for global keyboard shortcuts with the newer core 
>>> support for it. But if there is interest I can post it once I've finished 
>>> the migration and updates.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Saq

 A user on Twitter wrote this:

 My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in 
 the main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the 
 search bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, 
 hotkeys for moving a focused tiddler into the main column.

 I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot 
 of

[tw5] Re: Freelinks + alias

2020-04-16 Thread blarg H

Yeah there is definitely incompatibility here its also because I am using 
tiddlyblink with it as well. 

On Thursday, 16 April 2020 19:32:02 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Find the link here 
>
>
> Birthe
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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?


>
> It is far too easy to get carried away starting out with no local copy due 
> to http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com (would you consider upgrading it?). 
>

Done! 

@Noobies,
> http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com is to be recommended, when asking more 
> complicated questions. Easier for people wanting to help to try out 
> possible solutions.
>

I agree. Many newbie questions are really based on simple misunderstandings 
or misuse of something, so they ask about something other than what the 
real problem is. This is rather annoying because instead of answering "how 
to" it becomes a Q detective work to figure out what they are actually 
doing. If they instead create a dummy wiki on tiddlyspot and just post a 
link - perhaps even with a disclosed password! (e.g "password") - it will 
be *much* faster to help out.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

I spoke a little too soon. It's *almost* fixed in that it no longer is live 
synching, but now I have a less terrible issue but still gonna keep me from 
upgrading.

The issue:

If I have a browser instance opened to my wiki, the next instances will all 
the default tiddlers as expected, but then they get replaced with the same 
StoryList as the previously opened instance.

Once they do their initial start, they no longer synchronize no matter 
which instance I change.

Importantly, all new instances will start with the same tiddlers that the 
original instance had when it first connected with the server, even if I 
change that original instance.

If I close all instances, then create a new one, it still gets those 
tiddlers that the original instance started with.

I deleted $:/StoryList from disk and it's not getting created again.

Seems like the StoryList is getting cached on the server and the only way 
to clear it is by restarting it.

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to 
> not sync $:/StoryList
>
> The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on 
> node.
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
>> tiddlers.
>>
>> A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
>> being saved.
>>
>> Eric provides instructions here:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
>>> node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
>>> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.
>>>
>>> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, 
>>> it would create a new StoryList.
>>> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of 
>>> tiddlers open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) 
>>> could have a different set of tiddlers open.
>>> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
>>> gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
>>> will have the same tiddlers open.
>>>
>>> Has anybody experienced this?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] How do I get a list of tiddlers from a filter and then manipulate the fields / tags on each in a loop?

2020-04-16 Thread leeand00

I'm aware there are widgets that will modify them...for instance 
<$action-listops>
can modify fields, but I don't know how to use a filter like 
[tag[some-tag-they-all-have]sort[create-or-mod-date]] and to loop through 
them performing a similar action on each.

I'd also like to be able to include an index, or obtain them sorted by 
create-or-modification date.

Thank you,
Andrew J. Leer

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[tw5] Re: Freelinks + alias

Find the link here 


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

Tiddlyspot disappearing would be a disaster.
I do have a TW listing my Wikies on tiddlyspot and elsewhere - and only 
lost that one partially a couple of times.
As you wrote backup on tiddlyspot is working well and easy, Also I save a 
local copy each time I upgrade.

It is far too easy to get carried away starting out with no local copy due 
to http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com (would you consider upgrading it?). 

@Noobies,
http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com is to be recommended, when asking more 
complicated questions. Easier for people wanting to help to try out 
possible solutions.

Birthe

torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 19.47.46 UTC+2 skrev Mat:

> Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
>> of use and constant starting a new TW?
>>
>
> I agree this is a problem. Theoretically I guess a fixed number of 
> "revolving" saves would suffice. I believe many of the available TW savers 
> do this. Personally the absolute majority of my wikis are on tiddlyspot so 
> that system stores backsups. Of course, if the system itself went down it 
> would be no fun. (But I did make some backups from there.)
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Freelinks + alias

2020-04-16 Thread blarg H

That would be quite nice. I am not currently using Marios alias plugin, do 
you have a link as I am struggling to find it anywhere.

Is there a guide on how to build plugins from scratch?. Do I use javascript?

On Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:51:33 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> blarg H wrote:
>>
>> Would I then need to manually edit how the plugins function and do you 
>> have any idea how I can do this or even learn how?
>>
>
> Yeah, someone would need to modify it yes. However I don't think both 
> plugins would need modification and the reasonable one to ask for a 
> modification would probably be Mario for the Alias plugin. He's a nice guy 
> so maybe he can help :-)
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

2020-04-16 Thread Raghu Veer S


Thanks Lin. Is there a way to achieve this with standalone wiki?
On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:42:59 PM UTC+5:30, Lin Onetwo wrote:
>
> Hi Raghu,
>
> You can achieve this by using a special template, just like normally we 
> save nodejs wiki to HTML wiki using $:/core/save/all  
> You can create a template similar to that ,but exclude the buttons and 
> codemirror plugins.
>
> I also think about this before, I want to exclude codemirror plugin to 
> make my wiki page smaller, since I will not do heavy edit on the static 
> site.
>
>
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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

Birthe C wrote:
>
> But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
> of use and constant starting a new TW?
>

I agree this is a problem. Theoretically I guess a fixed number of 
"revolving" saves would suffice. I believe many of the available TW savers 
do this. Personally the absolute majority of my wikis are on tiddlyspot so 
that system stores backsups. Of course, if the system itself went down it 
would be no fun. (But I did make some backups from there.)

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

See my comments in *bold*

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:19 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Dave: interesting, as my personal preference would be for one tiddler on
> the left and multiple on the right for reference :)
>

*Actually, I have the same preference too! I actually wrote the opposite
words then transposed them. I felt maybe I was pushing my preferences in
ways that went against the format of TiddlyWiki and Roam. The reasons I
went against my personal preferences are these: *

*1) TiddlyWiki has a left story river, so people might expect it there, and
anything supplemental tends to be on the right*
*2) Roam, which TiddlyBlink is imitating, has default working page on the
left as well, and shift click to open secondary page(s) to the right.*


> Anyway, we might start off as I am suggesting simply because its easier to
> get working and then take it from there. The zoomin storyview - which we
> need to show just one tiddler - isn't playing nice in the second story at
> the moment.
>

*Okay, that is fine. *

> Ideally I do think this needs to be user configurable and we should be
> able to manage that.
>

*Great*

>
> I think we need to get something usable together and make it avaiable as a
> proof of concept or beta version, and hopefully get some feedback from
> people using it before we try to refine the behaviour too much.
>

*Good idea*

>
> Btw, those icons for one vs two stories are an eyesore. Any suggestions
> for better icons we can use?
>

*Not sure I have seen the icons that you are referring to.*

>
> I also have some other thoughts regarding the UI for TiddlyBlink since
> it's open on my screen:
> - I can't tell what the + button in the tiddler toolbar is for, it needs a
> tooltip.
>


*Good idea. Adding it to the list of needed changes. *

> - the eye icon and the menu it shows might be better suited at the bottom
> of the tiddler in the references area, would reduce clutter at the top too.
> Or altogether hidden away in a global settings menu if it wont be used too
> often.
>


*I plan to move the eye icon and the full screen icon to the top of the
'more' menu*

- suggest making the "fold"/"fold others" feature more easily accessible at
> least in the tiddlers in the second (right hand) story.
>

*Once you get a beta of the main components I want to play with the folding
to see how it should ideally go, including CSS changes for smaller text in
the tiddler titles*

> - the "more actions" dropdown button of the tiddler toolbar being in the
> middle of other buttons rather than on one of the edges means it easier to
> overlook that it offers several options in a dropdown menu
>

*My goal had been to keep the core icons in the same arrangement and the
TiddlyBlink icons separate. I think what you are describing will be less of
a problem when I move the two icons into more.*


*Thanks again for all the thought you are putting into this.*

>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq for your helpful thoughts.
>>
>> I think I like the idea of a right hand column with one tiddler only, and
>> a left hand column with scrolling story river. Great to hear that could be
>> configurable by the user.
>>
>> I have no personal preferences regarding hotkeys. I don't get the
>> impression that they would be that helpful for TiddlyBlink.
>>
>> I will look forward to seeing what you cook up, as time allows. Blessings!
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project
>>> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather
>>> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up.
>>> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I
>>> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals
>>> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>>>
>>> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed
>>> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if
>>> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to
>>> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only
>>> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them
>>> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second
>>> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most
>>> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in
>>> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers
>>> in the first story as well.
>>>
>>> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a
>>> user configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration
>>> demo, the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open
>>> whereas the second uses the classic storyview and can have

Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Dave: interesting, as my personal preference would be for one tiddler on 
the left and multiple on the right for reference :) 
Anyway, we might start off as I am suggesting simply because its easier to 
get working and then take it from there. The zoomin storyview - which we 
need to show just one tiddler - isn't playing nice in the second story at 
the moment. 
Ideally I do think this needs to be user configurable and we should be able 
to manage that.

I think we need to get something usable together and make it avaiable as a 
proof of concept or beta version, and hopefully get some feedback from 
people using it before we try to refine the behaviour too much.

Btw, those icons for one vs two stories are an eyesore. Any suggestions for 
better icons we can use?

I also have some other thoughts regarding the UI for TiddlyBlink since it's 
open on my screen:
- I can't tell what the + button in the tiddler toolbar is for, it needs a 
tooltip.
- the eye icon and the menu it shows might be better suited at the bottom 
of the tiddler in the references area, would reduce clutter at the top too. 
Or altogether hidden away in a global settings menu if it wont be used too 
often.
- suggest making the "fold"/"fold others" feature more easily accessible at 
least in the tiddlers in the second (right hand) story.
- the "more actions" dropdown button of the tiddler toolbar being in the 
middle of other buttons rather than on one of the edges means it easier to 
overlook that it offers several options in a dropdown menu

Regards,
Saq

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Saq for your helpful thoughts. 
>
> I think I like the idea of a right hand column with one tiddler only, and 
> a left hand column with scrolling story river. Great to hear that could be 
> configurable by the user. 
>
> I have no personal preferences regarding hotkeys. I don't get the 
> impression that they would be that helpful for TiddlyBlink.
>
> I will look forward to seeing what you cook up, as time allows. Blessings!
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project 
>> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
>> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
>> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
>> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
>> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>>
>> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
>> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
>> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
>> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
>> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
>> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
>> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
>> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
>> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
>> in the first story as well. 
>>
>> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a user 
>> configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration demo, 
>> the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open whereas 
>> the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple tiddlers open. 
>> Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as changing its 
>> storyview to classic. 
>> I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
>> configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
>> serve as the default.
>>
>> Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
>> and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
>> is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
>> this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
>> seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
>> TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.
>>
>> Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
>> already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
>> ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
>> allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
>> My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that can 
>> be used to trigger two different modals: 
>> - one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the main 
>> story or shift+click to open in the second story.
>> - the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
>> This is a key

Re: [tw5] Bullet points sometimes don't work

Yeah, I know now :-)
For highlights I will stick with text most of the time.

16 Apr 2020, 19:58 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:

>  Peter,
>
> Now you know why long time tiddlywiki users have eyes popping out ;-)
> In your colour section @@color:red;Red colored text@@ should work.
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Bullet points sometimes don't work

 Peter,

Now you know why long time tiddlywiki users have eyes popping out ;-)
In your colour section @@color:red;Red colored text@@ should work.


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[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

Excellent! The PublishFilter did not work, but SyncFilter seems to be 
working great. And, it has the added bonus of being the thing I should have 
been doing all along!

Thank you!

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to 
> not sync $:/StoryList
>
> The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on 
> node.
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
>> tiddlers.
>>
>> A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
>> being saved.
>>
>> Eric provides instructions here:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
>>> node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
>>> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.
>>>
>>> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, 
>>> it would create a new StoryList.
>>> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of 
>>> tiddlers open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) 
>>> could have a different set of tiddlers open.
>>> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
>>> gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
>>> will have the same tiddlers open.
>>>
>>> Has anybody experienced this?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

Mat,
But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
of use and constant starting a new TW?
I've been hunting my own wikies for 2 days now! Constantly finding new and 
meaningful names for your wikies, names that are just as good when 
searching your archives a couple of years later.

Birthe

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

2020-04-16 Thread Mark Krieg

I just ran across this conversation and I'm *thrilled* with what you guys 
are doing!  I highly agree with "user configurable setting". I love having 
loads of options as a user! I have several TiddlyWikis but one for my 
personal journal that currently has 4965 tiddlers with external image links 
and many _canonical_uri: of external audio. Using two story rivers has 
opened up a world of exploration to me!

Mark



On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 10:55:43 AM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project 
> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>
> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
> in the first story as well. 
>
> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a user 
> configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration demo, 
> the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open whereas 
> the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple tiddlers open. 
> Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as changing its 
> storyview to classic. 
> I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
> configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
> serve as the default.
>
> Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
> and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
> is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
> this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
> seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
> TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.
>
> Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
> already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
> ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
> allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
> My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that can 
> be used to trigger two different modals: 
> - one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the main 
> story or shift+click to open in the second story.
> - the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
> This is a key part of my personal notetaking workflow. I can't currently 
> share a demo as I am in the process of updating from TiddlyWiki 5.1.17 and 
> replacing my custom code for global keyboard shortcuts with the newer core 
> support for it. But if there is interest I can post it once I've finished 
> the migration and updates.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> A user on Twitter wrote this:
>>
>> My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in 
>> the main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the 
>> search bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, 
>> hotkeys for moving a focused tiddler into the main column.
>>
>> I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot 
>> of tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to 
>> find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with 
>> a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I 
>> am undecided. What do you think about his feedback?
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq
>>>
>>> I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage 
>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this 
>>> point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it 
>>> with a Favorites plugin tab.
>>>
>>> Blessings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of 
 me hurriedly hacking both the

[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

Another option might be tweak the syncFilter in $:/config/SyncFilter to not 
sync $:/StoryList

The publishFilter may only apply to the single file version and not on node.

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:38:18 PM UTC+2, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
> tiddlers.
>
> A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
> being saved.
>
> Eric provides instructions here:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>>
>> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
>> node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
>> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.
>>
>> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, it 
>> would create a new StoryList.
>> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of tiddlers 
>> open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) could 
>> have a different set of tiddlers open.
>> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
>> gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
>> will have the same tiddlers open.
>>
>> Has anybody experienced this?
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Bullet points sometimes don't work

Thanks Birthe. I confused myself by putting the closing """ (triple double 
quotes) between backticks to make them visible in the Read mode. I should have 
put a 2nd set in, which I did just now and that resolved the issue.
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16 Apr 2020, 19:12 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:

> Peter, you had ``` without closing it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 17.36.01 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
>> Jeremy,
>> many thanks for replying.
>>
>> I checked, there are no spaces in the blank lines.
>>
>> Attached you will find the JSON file.
>>
>>
>>
>> 16 Apr 2020, 16:31 by >> jeremy...@gmail.com <>>> :
>>
>>> Hi Peter
>>>
>>> One thing to watch out for is to make sure that those important blank lines 
>>> don’t contain any spaces.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I suggest exporting the tiddler as a JSON file and then 
>>> attaching the file to a post here so we can see it. To do that, click on 
>>> the downwards arrow at the top right of the tiddler and select “export 
>>> tiddler” and then “JSON File”.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 16 Apr 2020, at 14:10, 'Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki < 
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com <> > wrote:

 Birthe, I deleted the 3 double quotation mark, but it does not make a 
 difference.

 I also had it on another tiddler where I had 3 dashed (---) for a 
 horizontal line. When I added something above it with an empty line in 
 between, the horizontal line was not rendered anymore, just the 3 dashes 
 occurred. I "fixed" it by deleting the double slashes (//) on both sides 
 of the text. But that's a workaround.

 Why do you suggest I export the tiddler?


 16 Apr 2020, 15:52 by  strikk...@gmail.com <> :

> Peter,
> From your screenshots I really do not understand either. But I wonder if 
> you have used 
> ```
>
> Somewhere in the same tiddler. That has often confused me, due to not 
> always seeing the signs and ending it correctly.
>
> If you want, you can export your tiddler from the more actions button i 
> View mode. Export as tid. 
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
> torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 14.28.53 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
>> Birthe,
>>
>> and in this screenshot is another section of the same tiddler that shows 
>> both bullet and numbering works, which is why don't understand it does 
>> not work elsewhere. And it is not the 1st time this has happened.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Cyril: Unless I've misunderstood you, the behaviour is already as you 
describe. The left story is the default one. As such all links in menus, 
sidebars etc (i.e. anywhere outside a story) will open in that default left 
story unless you also hold down shift.

The only exception to this is the Open sidebar tab, where the links showing 
which tiddlers are open in the left pane can be clicked to scroll those 
tiddlers into view.

Or do you mean using tags or fields to specify which story a tiddler opens 
in?

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:24:54 PM UTC+2, Cyrill wrote:
>
> Hey Saq,
>
> I think it can be useful to force tiddlers (tags or fields) only to open 
> via links oder sidetabs in one story pane (only on left side or right 
> side). 
>
> Just an idea...
>
> Am Donnerstag, 16. April 2020 16:55:43 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>>
>> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project 
>> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
>> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
>> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
>> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
>> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>>
>> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
>> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
>> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
>> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
>> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
>> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
>> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
>> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
>> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
>> in the first story as well. 
>>
>> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a user 
>> configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration demo, 
>> the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open whereas 
>> the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple tiddlers open. 
>> Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as changing its 
>> storyview to classic. 
>> I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
>> configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
>> serve as the default.
>>
>> Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
>> and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
>> is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
>> this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
>> seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
>> TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.
>>
>> Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
>> already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
>> ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
>> allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
>> My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that can 
>> be used to trigger two different modals: 
>> - one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the main 
>> story or shift+click to open in the second story.
>> - the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
>> This is a key part of my personal notetaking workflow. I can't currently 
>> share a demo as I am in the process of updating from TiddlyWiki 5.1.17 and 
>> replacing my custom code for global keyboard shortcuts with the newer core 
>> support for it. But if there is interest I can post it once I've finished 
>> the migration and updates.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saq
>>>
>>> A user on Twitter wrote this:
>>>
>>> My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in 
>>> the main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the 
>>> search bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, 
>>> hotkeys for moving a focused tiddler into the main column.
>>>
>>> I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot 
>>> of tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to 
>>> find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with 
>>> a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I 
>>> am undecided. What do you think about his feedback?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:

 Thanks Saq

 I think I would like to leave the

Re: [tw5] HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

1st, 2nd and 3rd rule: back up, back up, back up

16 Apr 2020, 19:11 by matiasg...@gmail.com:

> Hi, and warmly welcome, my new friend. Yes, I know my headline is YELLING. 
> It's for your sake.
>
> I just want to make sure you know "> The First Rule of Using TiddlyWiki> ".
>
> It is really worth knowing. And doing. It is a protection against > pain and 
> tears> .
>
> But I'm not going to tell you what it is. You'll have to find it yourself on 
> > tiddlywiki.com 
>
> Happy tiddlyfiddling.
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

This is a consequences of a change in behaviour in syncing of system 
tiddlers.

A workaround is to use the publishFilter to exclude the storyList from 
being saved.

Eric provides instructions here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/publishfilter%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/4Q21AiOrDmg/ilgUkcP-AwAJ

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:26:27 PM UTC+2, HokieGeek wrote:
>
> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
> node.js and a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an 
> unintended consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.
>
> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, it 
> would create a new StoryList.
> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of tiddlers 
> open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) could 
> have a different set of tiddlers open.
> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
> gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
> will have the same tiddlers open.
>
> Has anybody experienced this?
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

2020-04-16 Thread Cyrill

Hey Saq,

I think it can be useful to force tiddlers (tags or fields) only to open 
via links oder sidetabs in one story pane (only on left side or right 
side). 

Just an idea...

Am Donnerstag, 16. April 2020 16:55:43 UTC+2 schrieb Saq Imtiaz:
>
> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project 
> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>
> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
> in the first story as well. 
>
> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a user 
> configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration demo, 
> the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open whereas 
> the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple tiddlers open. 
> Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as changing its 
> storyview to classic. 
> I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
> configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
> serve as the default.
>
> Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
> and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
> is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
> this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
> seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
> TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.
>
> Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
> already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
> ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
> allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
> My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that can 
> be used to trigger two different modals: 
> - one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the main 
> story or shift+click to open in the second story.
> - the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
> This is a key part of my personal notetaking workflow. I can't currently 
> share a demo as I am in the process of updating from TiddlyWiki 5.1.17 and 
> replacing my custom code for global keyboard shortcuts with the newer core 
> support for it. But if there is interest I can post it once I've finished 
> the migration and updates.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> A user on Twitter wrote this:
>>
>> My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in 
>> the main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the 
>> search bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, 
>> hotkeys for moving a focused tiddler into the main column.
>>
>> I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot 
>> of tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to 
>> find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with 
>> a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I 
>> am undecided. What do you think about his feedback?
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq
>>>
>>> I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage 
>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this 
>>> point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it 
>>> with a Favorites plugin tab.
>>>
>>> Blessings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of 
 me hurriedly hacking both the story in a tab, as well as the parallel two 
 story layouts into TiddlyBlink.
 I don't see any reason why the original way you had that working should 
 break, so that should hopefully get automatically resolved when we do this

[tw5] Re: Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

Lin,
This is a great idea.

--Mohammad

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:42:59 PM UTC+4:30, Lin Onetwo wrote:
>
> Hi Raghu,
>
> You can achieve this by using a special template, just like normally we 
> save nodejs wiki to HTML wiki using $:/core/save/all  
> You can create a template similar to that ,but exclude the buttons and 
> codemirror plugins.
>
> I also think about this before, I want to exclude codemirror plugin to 
> make my wiki page smaller, since I will not do heavy edit on the static 
> site.
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Bullet points sometimes don't work

Peter, you had ``` without closing it.













torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 17.36.01 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
> Jeremy,
> many thanks for replying.
>
> I checked, there are no spaces in the blank lines.
>
> Attached you will find the JSON file.
>
>
>
> 16 Apr 2020, 16:31 by jeremy...@gmail.com :
>
> Hi Peter
>
> One thing to watch out for is to make sure that those important blank 
> lines don’t contain any spaces.
>
> Otherwise, I suggest exporting the tiddler as a JSON file and then 
> attaching the file to a post here so we can see it. To do that, click on 
> the downwards arrow at the top right of the tiddler and select “export 
> tiddler” and then “JSON File”.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> On 16 Apr 2020, at 14:10, 'Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Birthe, I deleted the 3 double quotation mark, but it does not make a 
> difference.
>
> I also had it on another tiddler where I had 3 dashed (---) for a 
> horizontal line. When I added something above it with an empty line in 
> between, the horizontal line was not rendered anymore, just the 3 dashes 
> occurred. I "fixed" it by deleting the double slashes (//) on both sides of 
> the text. But that's a workaround.
>
> Why do you suggest I export the tiddler?
>
>
> 16 Apr 2020, 15:52 by strikk...@gmail.com :
>
> Peter,
> From your screenshots I really do not understand either. But I wonder if 
> you have used 
> ```
>
> Somewhere in the same tiddler. That has often confused me, due to not 
> always seeing the signs and ending it correctly.
>
> If you want, you can export your tiddler from the more actions button i 
> View mode. Export as tid. 
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
> torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 14.28.53 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
> Birthe,
>
> and in this screenshot is another section of the same tiddler that shows 
> both bullet and numbering works, which is why don't understand it does not 
> work elsewhere. And it is not the 1st time this has happened.
>
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[tw5] HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

Hi, and warmly welcome, my new friend. Yes, I know my headline is YELLING. 
It's for your sake.

I just want to make sure you know "*The First Rule of Using TiddlyWiki*".

It is really worth knowing. And doing. It is a protection against *pain and 
tears*.

But I'm not going to tell you what it is. You'll have to find it yourself 
on tiddlywiki.com

Happy tiddlyfiddling.

<:-)




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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Thanks Saq for your helpful thoughts. 

I think I like the idea of a right hand column with one tiddler only, and a 
left hand column with scrolling story river. Great to hear that could be 
configurable by the user. 

I have no personal preferences regarding hotkeys. I don't get the 
impression that they would be that helpful for TiddlyBlink.

I will look forward to seeing what you cook up, as time allows. Blessings!

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project 
> my personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
> take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
> Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
> find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
> to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.
>
> My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
> get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
> you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
> quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
> gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
> to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
> story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
> of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
> the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
> in the first story as well. 
>
> The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a user 
> configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration demo, 
> the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open whereas 
> the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple tiddlers open. 
> Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as changing its 
> storyview to classic. 
> I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
> configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
> serve as the default.
>
> Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
> and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
> is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
> this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
> seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
> TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.
>
> Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
> already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
> ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
> allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
> My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that can 
> be used to trigger two different modals: 
> - one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the main 
> story or shift+click to open in the second story.
> - the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
> This is a key part of my personal notetaking workflow. I can't currently 
> share a demo as I am in the process of updating from TiddlyWiki 5.1.17 and 
> replacing my custom code for global keyboard shortcuts with the newer core 
> support for it. But if there is interest I can post it once I've finished 
> the migration and updates.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> A user on Twitter wrote this:
>>
>> My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in 
>> the main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the 
>> search bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, 
>> hotkeys for moving a focused tiddler into the main column.
>>
>> I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot 
>> of tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to 
>> find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with 
>> a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I 
>> am undecided. What do you think about his feedback?
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq
>>>
>>> I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage 
>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this 
>>> point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it 
>>> with a Favorites plugin tab.
>>>
>>> Blessings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of 
 me hurriedly hacking both the

Re: [tw5] Re: Upgrading to 5.1.22

OK Mat, that is good input for my understanding.
I shall make a copy of the latest version of my HTML file and use that to 
upgrade. If all goes well, as it should, then eventually I can delete the 
5.1.21 version. If all is not well then I still have 5.1.21.
Many thaks for clearing that up for me.
16 Apr 2020, 18:37 by matiasg...@gmail.com:

> Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> So, if I understand you well, you're basically saying that if the 
>> PeterWiki-1 file gets messed up during upgrade, using PeterWiki-2 (not 
>> upgraded) will run on 5.1.21: is that correct?
>>
>
> It's not that your wiki "runs on" any version, like e.g a text document "runs 
> on" a word processor. No, instead, in single file wiki "your wiki" and the 
> stystem is integrated into a single file. So, it PeterWiki1 is really a 
> totally different file from PeterWiki2. The one has nothing to do with the 
> other. They don't share anything. Like the two files "madonna.jpg" and 
> "britneyspears.jpg". Your Peterwikis are both html files. They run in the 
> browser.
>
> <:-)
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.22

Mark, thanks.
I am still on 5.1.21 and an internal link with gaps in the tiddler title DOES 
work also :-))
Transclusions don't work in 5.1.21, so I look forward to 5.1.22 for that, among 
other things, and for Freelinks.

Thanks again.
16 Apr 2020, 17:45 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:

>
> Actually markdown was already sort of able to handle internal links, for 
> tiddlers with no spaces in their names:
>
> [Mine](#ThisIsMyMessage)
>
> With the new ability, you could use the link widget:
>
> <$link to="This is my Tiddler">My tiddler
>
> and transclusions work right out of the box:
>
> {{This is my message}}
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:25:47 PM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> @Mark: presumably markdown will still not be able to handle internal links, 
>> correct?
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>> 15 Apr 2020, 20:00 by >> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com>> :
>>
>>>
>>> I notice that the markdown plugin now has the ability to partially 
>>> interpret wikitext. It
>>> looks like it will successfully interpret a list widget, for instance that 
>>> is self contained. e.g.
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tag[mytag]]" template="mytemplate"/>
>>>
>>> But not one involving multiple lines:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tag[mytag]]">
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Am I understanding correctly? Or is there a backdoor for turning on more 
>>> functionality?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:00:14 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
 I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.22.

 https://tiddlywiki.com/

 This is major release, with many new features, improvements and bug fixes 
 including:

 * Plugins that do not contain JS modules can now be loaded dynamically, 
 without needing to save and reload the wiki
 * The plugin chooser (ie the modal for adding new plugins) now features an 
 “updates” tab bringing together all the updates from that plugin library, 
 and allowing them all to be updated with a single click
 * The optional sub-plugins for the CodeMirror plugin are organised under 
 the main plugin in the plugin chooser
 * Plugin dependencies are now installed automatically
 * Improvements to the client-server configuration under Node.js, including 
 better resilience to connection errors and a new dropdown for 
 server-related features
 * New “compare” filter operator for comparing numbers, strings, dates and 
 version numbers
 * New menubar plugin for adding a responsive top menu
 * New freelinks plugin for automatically creating links out of tiddler 
 titles
 * Improved Markdown plugin

 …and many more, all listed on the release note:

 https://tiddlywiki.com/# Release%205.1.22

 You can upgrade your existing single file wikis at:  
 https://tiddlywiki.com/ upgrade.html

 As usual, please exercise caution when upgrading: take care to take good 
 backups and test that everything is still working as it should

 Comments and questions welcome.

 I’d like to offer my sincere thanks to the many people who contributed to 
 this release. There are 23 people listed on the release note as having 
 contributed via GitHub but of course many others have helped shape this 
 release through the discussions here. Thanks to everyone.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

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[tw5] Re: Freelinks + alias

blarg H wrote:
>
> Would I then need to manually edit how the plugins function and do you 
> have any idea how I can do this or even learn how?
>

Yeah, someone would need to modify it yes. However I don't think both 
plugins would need modification and the reasonable one to ask for a 
modification would probably be Mario for the Alias plugin. He's a nice guy 
so maybe he can help :-)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: copying a tiddler content to the clipboard

Yeah, try the different buttons in the tiddler menu and you'll find the 
"clone" button i.e this makes a copy of the tiddler.

However, if you're talking about some button in *edit view*, then no, 
there's no such button but I think the mechanism for it exists :-)

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[tw5] Re: Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

Added a screecast showing the behavior: https://youtu.be/FM1pFayWd_M

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 11:26:27 AM UTC-4, HokieGeek wrote:
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> Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
> node.js a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an unintended 
> consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.
>
> In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, it 
> would create a new StoryList.
> The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of tiddlers 
> open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) could 
> have a different set of tiddlers open.
> When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList 
> gets updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances 
> will have the same tiddlers open.
>
> Has anybody experienced this?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Relink doesn't always work

Mark, you're right, that's what caused the problem.
Issue closed.
Many thanks.

16 Apr 2020, 17:05 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:

> Did you remember to change ToC to ToC-zettels in your 
> <> macro ? Relink won't
> be able to change that parameter.
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:02:47 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> I love this plug-in, and have had good experience thus far.
>>
>> Today I found a flwa/bug, I think.
>>
>> I have a tiddler entitled >> ToC>> .
>> In the text box there is the following only:
>>
>> 
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> All tids that I want to occur in the list have a tag ToC. I wanted to change 
>> the title of the ToC tid to >> ToC-zettels>> . Sure enough the Relink 
>> message showed up telling me all links would be amended. But after making 
>> the change and going to the Read mode, there was no more list of all the 
>> tids tagged with ToC.
>>
>> In fact, what happened is that the ToC tag was removed from all the tids. In 
>> other words, Relink cannot change tags. Is that right or am doing something 
>> wrong?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Upgrading to 5.1.22

Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> So, if I understand you well, you're basically saying that if the 
> PeterWiki-1 file gets messed up during upgrade, using PeterWiki-2 (not 
> upgraded) will run on 5.1.21: is that correct?
>

It's not that your wiki "runs on" any version, like e.g a text document 
"runs on" a word processor. No, instead, in single file wiki "your wiki" 
and the stystem is integrated into a single file. So, it PeterWiki1 is 
really a totally different file from PeterWiki2. The one has nothing to do 
with the other. They don't share anything. Like the two files "madonna.jpg" 
and "britneyspears.jpg". Your Peterwikis are both html files. They run in 
the browser.

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Re: [tw5] Bullet points sometimes don't work

Jeremy,
many thanks for replying.

I checked, there are no spaces in the blank lines.

Attached you will find the JSON file.


16 Apr 2020, 16:31 by jeremy.rus...@gmail.com:

> Hi Peter
>
> One thing to watch out for is to make sure that those important blank lines 
> don’t contain any spaces.
>
> Otherwise, I suggest exporting the tiddler as a JSON file and then attaching 
> the file to a post here so we can see it. To do that, click on the downwards 
> arrow at the top right of the tiddler and select “export tiddler” and then 
> “JSON File”.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 16 Apr 2020, at 14:10, 'Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki <>> 
>> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com>> > wrote:
>>
>> Birthe, I deleted the 3 double quotation mark, but it does not make a 
>> difference.
>>
>> I also had it on another tiddler where I had 3 dashed (---) for a horizontal 
>> line. When I added something above it with an empty line in between, the 
>> horizontal line was not rendered anymore, just the 3 dashes occurred. I 
>> "fixed" it by deleting the double slashes (//) on both sides of the text. 
>> But that's a workaround.
>>
>> Why do you suggest I export the tiddler?
>>
>>
>> 16 Apr 2020, 15:52 by >> strikkeglad...@gmail.com>> :
>>
>>> Peter,
>>> From your screenshots I really do not understand either. But I wonder if 
>>> you have used 
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Somewhere in the same tiddler. That has often confused me, due to not 
>>> always seeing the signs and ending it correctly.
>>>
>>> If you want, you can export your tiddler from the more actions button i 
>>> View mode. Export as tid. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>>
>>> torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 14.28.53 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>>>
 Birthe,

 and in this screenshot is another section of the same tiddler that shows 
 both bullet and numbering works, which is why don't understand it does not 
 work elsewhere. And it is not the 1st time this has happened.

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[tw5] Re: Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

2020-04-16 Thread Raghu Veer S

It worked. Thanks Again! 
On a different note, wouldn't this unnecessarily increase the size of the 
wiki? 
(I do not know how the import mechanism works, my guess is each of these 
imports are extra  tags or js functions, that might add to the 
overhead. Please do let me know if that is not the case)

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:45:57 PM UTC+5:30, TonyM wrote:
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> Are you using control panel appearance toolbars to hide the buttons?
>
> if so toggle thier visibility then use [haschanged[]] in the advanced 
> search tab to see the visibility tiddlers that were changed. Export those 
> tiddlers set to "hide" as a json file. May as well set them to show and 
> export them as another file.
>
> Then before you upload drop the hide json and import them. When editing 
> drop the show json on the wiki. If you look for making bookmarklettes you 
> can even have a book mark trigger this.
>
> Of course you could set a lot more settings this way.
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Single StoryList in 5.1.22 results in loss of "session behavior" when on Node.js

Sorry if I missed this being brought up, but I am running TW 5.1.22 on 
node.js a change to the StoryList has caused what I think is an unintended 
consequence. Or perhaps there is a setting that I need to change.

In the past,  whenever I pointed a browser instance to my TW instance, it 
would create a new StoryList.
The effect was that I could be browsing the wiki with one set of tiddlers 
open, and on a separate browser instance (mine or another user's) could 
have a different set of tiddlers open.
When I updated to 5.1.22, the behavior I see now is that the StoryList gets 
updated from the server to all client copies so that all instances will 
have the same tiddlers open.

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[tw5] Re: how to upgrade BoxEXe and BoxLinux Tiddlywiki to 5.1.22

great thanks

joi, 16 aprilie 2020, 15:04:56 UTC+3, stefan infp a scris:
>
> how to upgrade BoxEXe and BoxLinux Tiddlywiki to 5.1.22?
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[tw5] Re: Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

2020-04-16 Thread Raghu Veer S

This is super neat! Thanks a lot.

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 6:45:57 PM UTC+5:30, TonyM wrote:
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> Are you using control panel appearance toolbars to hide the buttons?
>
> if so toggle thier visibility then use [haschanged[]] in the advanced 
> search tab to see the visibility tiddlers that were changed. Export those 
> tiddlers set to "hide" as a json file. May as well set them to show and 
> export them as another file.
>
> Then before you upload drop the hide json and import them. When editing 
> drop the show json on the wiki. If you look for making bookmarklettes you 
> can even have a book mark trigger this.
>
> Of course you could set a lot more settings this way.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

David: that's good feedback. Note that I have been trying not to project my 
personal preferences for note-taking on to these discussions, but rather 
take my lead from you and others who are prospective users of this set up. 
Note taking habits and workflows can be different between individuals and I 
find that what works for me is actually quite different from what appeals 
to most who look to TiddlyWiki for solutions.

My personal experience of working with two stories is that it can indeed 
get confusing to have a lot of tiddlers open in both stories, especially if 
you have same tiddler open in both stories. This is however mitigated to 
quite some extent by means of the Open tab in the sidebar, that not only 
gives you an overview of the open tiddlers, but you can click any of them 
to scroll it into view (note this is currently bugging out for the second 
story in the demo but works in my original setup, will debug later). Most 
of the time I would have one tiddler open in the main story and several in 
the second as reference, but have quite often had and needed 2-3 tiddlers 
in the first story as well. 

The good news is that this is easy to tweak and could even be made a user 
configurable setting. If you notice, in the TiddlyBlink integration demo, 
the first story view only allows only tiddler to be visibly open whereas 
the second uses the classic storyview and can have multiple tiddlers open. 
Allowing more tiddlers in the first story is a simple as changing its 
storyview to classic. 
I suspect there is a need for more user feedback to determine what 
configuration is the most intuitive for most people, and should therefore 
serve as the default.

Regarding hot keys: I prefer keyboard shortcuts wherever possible myself 
and understand the appeal. For moving tiddlers between stories the problem 
is that TiddlyWiki doesn't really have a concept of a tiddler in focus, and 
this isn't trivial to implement reliably due to the refresh mechanism. I've 
seen chatter on github about work being planned on this area for the 
TiddlyWiki core so it would probably be best to wait for that.

Regarding search, keyboard shortcuts are very useful here. The core has 
already added shortcuts for the search fields (ctrl+shift+a and 
ctrl+shift+f) and there are changes forthcoming in the TW release that 
allows you to choose and open a search result via the keyboard alone.
My setup for the last couple of years has been to have shortcuts that can 
be used to trigger two different modals: 
- one with advanced search. Here I can click any link to open in the main 
story or shift+click to open in the second story.
- the other with a note taking UI for jotting down quick thoughts.
This is a key part of my personal notetaking workflow. I can't currently 
share a demo as I am in the process of updating from TiddlyWiki 5.1.17 and 
replacing my custom code for global keyboard shortcuts with the newer core 
support for it. But if there is interest I can post it once I've finished 
the migration and updates.

Regards,
Saq

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 3:27:02 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Saq
>
> A user on Twitter wrote this:
>
> My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in the 
> main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the search 
> bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, hotkeys for 
> moving a focused tiddler into the main column.
>
> I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot of 
> tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to 
> find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with 
> a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I 
> am undecided. What do you think about his feedback?
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq
>>
>> I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage 
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this 
>> point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it 
>> with a Favorites plugin tab.
>>
>> Blessings
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz > > wrote:
>>
>>> Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of 
>>> me hurriedly hacking both the story in a tab, as well as the parallel two 
>>> story layouts into TiddlyBlink.
>>> I don't see any reason why the original way you had that working should 
>>> break, so that should hopefully get automatically resolved when we do this 
>>> a bit more systematically.
>>> Note that it does seem to work when I paste a title like TiddlyBlink 
>>> into it on the parallel tab on your demo at 
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html
>>>
>>> If you want a third story in the parallel tab that could work too 
>>> but would require a few tweaks.
>>> One potential use for that tab could be as a sort of a

Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.22

2020-04-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


Actually markdown was already sort of able to handle internal links, for 
tiddlers with no spaces in their names:

[Mine](#ThisIsMyMessage)

With the new ability, you could use the link widget:

<$link to="This is my Tiddler">My tiddler

and transclusions work right out of the box:

{{This is my message}}


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:25:47 PM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
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> @Mark: presumably markdown will still not be able to handle internal 
> links, correct?
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> 15 Apr 2020, 20:00 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:
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>
> I notice that the markdown plugin now has the ability to partially 
> interpret wikitext. It
> looks like it will successfully interpret a list widget, for instance that 
> is self contained. e.g.
>
> <$list filter="[tag[mytag]]" template="mytemplate"/>
>
> But not one involving multiple lines:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[mytag]]">
>
> 
>
> Am I understanding correctly? Or is there a backdoor for turning on more 
> functionality?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:00:14 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.22.
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> This is major release, with many new features, improvements and bug fixes 
> including:
>
> * Plugins that do not contain JS modules can now be loaded dynamically, 
> without needing to save and reload the wiki
> * The plugin chooser (ie the modal for adding new plugins) now features an 
> “updates” tab bringing together all the updates from that plugin library, 
> and allowing them all to be updated with a single click
> * The optional sub-plugins for the CodeMirror plugin are organised under 
> the main plugin in the plugin chooser
> * Plugin dependencies are now installed automatically
> * Improvements to the client-server configuration under Node.js, including 
> better resilience to connection errors and a new dropdown for 
> server-related features
> * New “compare” filter operator for comparing numbers, strings, dates and 
> version numbers
> * New menubar plugin for adding a responsive top menu
> * New freelinks plugin for automatically creating links out of tiddler 
> titles
> * Improved Markdown plugin
>
> …and many more, all listed on the release note:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.22
>
> You can upgrade your existing single file wikis at: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html
>
> As usual, please exercise caution when upgrading: take care to take good 
> backups and test that everything is still working as it should
>
> Comments and questions welcome.
>
> I’d like to offer my sincere thanks to the many people who contributed to 
> this release. There are 23 people listed on the release note as having 
> contributed via GitHub but of course many others have helped shape this 
> release through the discussions here. Thanks to everyone.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
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[tw5] Re: Is it worth to have a private portal plugin library? [Only Windows]

Hi Tony,
 Sure, I send it to you!
I am experimenting some ways to see how run and up Tiddlywiki on some 
portable tiny size webserver with zero or little configuration to be used 
on stick!
I call them Tiddlypen means Tiddlywiki on a pen drive

I need to write the docs and then I send to you!

Right now

1. Tinyweb  file server (80kB) for hosting a plugin libraries (read-only)
2. Tinyserver  file server (400kB) for hosting a plugin libraries 
(read-only)

2. Micro Appache+PHP 3. (size < 5.98MB ) read/write (open Tiddlywiki in 
browser + saving feature using store.php)
3. Webdav.exe  (size < 9.65MB) read/write (open Tiddlywiki in browser + 
saving feature)
3. Caddy 1 webserver  (size < 21 MB) read/write (open Tiddlywiki in browser 
+ saving feature)


Some of them already have been discussed in the forum. I just looking for 
portable tool can be used as simple as possible

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Freelinks + alias

2020-04-16 Thread blarg H

Thanks Tony for the advice.

Would I then need to manually edit how the plugins function and do you have 
any idea how I can do this or even learn how?

On Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:45:01 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Both are plugins so one or both will need to change to accommodate each 
> other.
>
> Jeremy freelinks 
> Mario alias plugin
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] copying a tiddler content to the clipboard

2020-04-16 Thread Tiziano Solignani

Good afternoon everyone.

This is my first post since I started some days ago using TW, oh BTW I love 
it, great idea, great accomplishment and great docs and community.

Is there a quick way to copy a tiddler content, maybe with one of the 
options at top right corner?

Many times I use tiddler to keep my templates and being able to copy them 
on the fly would be useful.

Thank you.

Tiziano

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[tw5] Re: Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.22

2020-04-16 Thread Lin Onetwo

Wow, the feeling of upgrading is so good! 

And the dropdown of sync button makes wonder maybe it can have multiple 
save target now.

Maybe I can auto save to local nodejs, and optionally save HTML backup to 
Github once every day.

在 2020年4月16日星期四 UTC+8上午12:00:14，Jeremy Ruston写道：
>
> I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.22.
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> This is major release, with many new features, improvements and bug fixes 
> including:
>
> * Plugins that do not contain JS modules can now be loaded dynamically, 
> without needing to save and reload the wiki
> * The plugin chooser (ie the modal for adding new plugins) now features an 
> “updates” tab bringing together all the updates from that plugin library, 
> and allowing them all to be updated with a single click
> * The optional sub-plugins for the CodeMirror plugin are organised under 
> the main plugin in the plugin chooser
> * Plugin dependencies are now installed automatically
> * Improvements to the client-server configuration under Node.js, including 
> better resilience to connection errors and a new dropdown for 
> server-related features
> * New “compare” filter operator for comparing numbers, strings, dates and 
> version numbers
> * New menubar plugin for adding a responsive top menu
> * New freelinks plugin for automatically creating links out of tiddler 
> titles
> * Improved Markdown plugin
>
> …and many more, all listed on the release note:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.22
>
> You can upgrade your existing single file wikis at: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html
>
> As usual, please exercise caution when upgrading: take care to take good 
> backups and test that everything is still working as it should
>
> Comments and questions welcome.
>
> I’d like to offer my sincere thanks to the many people who contributed to 
> this release. There are 23 people listed on the release note as having 
> contributed via GitHub but of course many others have helped shape this 
> release through the discussions here. Thanks to everyone.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

2020-04-16 Thread Lin Onetwo

Hi Raghu,

You can achieve this by using a special template, just like normally we 
save nodejs wiki to HTML wiki using $:/core/save/all  
You can create a template similar to that ,but exclude the buttons and 
codemirror plugins.

I also think about this before, I want to exclude codemirror plugin to make 
my wiki page smaller, since I will not do heavy edit on the static site.


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[tw5] Re: Relink doesn't always work

2020-04-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Did you remember to change ToC to ToC-zettels in your 
<> macro ? Relink won't
be able to change that parameter.

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 1:02:47 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> I love this plug-in, and have had good experience thus far.
>
> Today I found a flwa/bug, I think.
>
> I have a tiddler entitled *ToC*.
> In the text box there is the following only:
>
> 
> <>
> 
>
> All tids that I want to occur in the list have a tag ToC. I wanted to 
> change the title of the ToC tid to *ToC-zettels*. Sure enough the Relink 
> message showed up telling me all links would be amended. But after making 
> the change and going to the Read mode, there was no more list of all the 
> tids tagged with ToC.
>
> In fact, what happened is that the ToC tag was removed from all the tids. 
> In other words, Relink cannot change tags. Is that right or am doing 
> something wrong?
>
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[tw5] Re: Maybe a simple question: How do I return a list of fields with a specified value from the current tiddler

Mark

You missed the question

'
<$list filter="[fields[]]" variable=fieldname>

<$list filter="[all[current]getmatch[yes]]">

<>




'

untested!

tony

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[tw5] Freelinks + alias

Both are plugins so one or both will need to change to accommodate each other.

Jeremy freelinks 
Mario alias plugin

Regards
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[tw5] Re: how to upgrade BoxEXe and BoxLinux Tiddlywiki to 5.1.22

you just replace the old executable with the new one.

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[tw5] FWD: Relink doesn't always work

If you open a tag tiddler and edit it so it becomes a real tiddler you can 
rename it and the change will be updated on all tiddlers tagged with it. This 
is the behaviour without the Relink plugin.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Bullet points sometimes don't work

Peter

Rather than share screen shots insert your broken wikitext example inside the 
email, one that works/is broken on a test tiddler on tiddlywiki.com

I believe I have the answer but I need to be sure of the question. 

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Bullet points sometimes don't work

2020-04-16 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Peter

One thing to watch out for is to make sure that those important blank lines 
don’t contain any spaces.

Otherwise, I suggest exporting the tiddler as a JSON file and then attaching 
the file to a post here so we can see it. To do that, click on the downwards 
arrow at the top right of the tiddler and select “export tiddler” and then 
“JSON File”.

Best wishes

Jeremy




> On 16 Apr 2020, at 14:10, 'Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> Birthe, I deleted the 3 double quotation mark, but it does not make a 
> difference.
> 
> I also had it on another tiddler where I had 3 dashed (---) for a horizontal 
> line. When I added something above it with an empty line in between, the 
> horizontal line was not rendered anymore, just the 3 dashes occurred. I 
> "fixed" it by deleting the double slashes (//) on both sides of the text. But 
> that's a workaround.
> 
> Why do you suggest I export the tiddler?
> 
> 
> 16 Apr 2020, 15:52 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:
> Peter,
> From your screenshots I really do not understand either. But I wonder if you 
> have used 
> ```
> 
> Somewhere in the same tiddler. That has often confused me, due to not always 
> seeing the signs and ending it correctly.
> 
> If you want, you can export your tiddler from the more actions button i View 
> mode. Export as tid. 
> 
> 
> Birthe
> 
> 
> torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 14.28.53 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
> Birthe,
> 
> and in this screenshot is another section of the same tiddler that shows both 
> bullet and numbering works, which is why don't understand it does not work 
> elsewhere. And it is not the 1st time this has happened.
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Hi Saq

A user on Twitter wrote this:

My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in the 
main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the search 
bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, hotkeys for 
moving a focused tiddler into the main column.

I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot of 
tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to 
find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with 
a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I 
am undecided. What do you think about his feedback?

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Saq
>
> I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage 
> https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this 
> point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it 
> with a Favorites plugin tab.
>
> Blessings
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of me 
>> hurriedly hacking both the story in a tab, as well as the parallel two 
>> story layouts into TiddlyBlink.
>> I don't see any reason why the original way you had that working should 
>> break, so that should hopefully get automatically resolved when we do this 
>> a bit more systematically.
>> Note that it does seem to work when I paste a title like TiddlyBlink into 
>> it on the parallel tab on your demo at 
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html
>>
>> If you want a third story in the parallel tab that could work too but 
>> would require a few tweaks.
>> One potential use for that tab could be as a sort of a workspace drawer, 
>> where you drag and drop tiddler titles that know you will need for what you 
>> are working on, but do not want open at the moment. I have a similar setup 
>> in one of my wikis.
>>
>> I will work through what we have discussed as time allows, and keep you 
>> updated. No worries, we are on the same page. I view you as a product owner 
>> representing everyone that does and might use the end product you are 
>> working on :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:57:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saq, thanks for the detailed reply. See my comments below in* bold*.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:27 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Hi David,

 I'm glad the quick integration was helpful.  I suggest we move beyond 
 that but take a little time to discuss exactly which functionality and 
 behaviour we want. After which I can help identify the necessary bits and 
 even tweak things if necessary. 

 Agreed on the dropzones, I never use them.
 So the functionality you want is:
 - shift click to open in the second story

>>> *Yes* 
>>>
 - shift click edit button to open in second story in edit template?

>>>
>>> *?? No, I don't think so.*
>>>
 - divert buttons

>>>
>>> *Yes. *
>>>
>>>
>>> *Before I forget - did you do something to my parallel tab? It wasn't 
>>> working. Was that a necessary change so that the stories would work?*
>>>

 A couple of other things to consider:
 - the second story is currently set to classic storyview as there were 
 issues with the one you are using for TiddlyBlink. This allows for more 
 than one tiddler to be open in the second story. Is that OK or do you want 
 to limit that to one? Perhaps allow more tiddlers but have a different 
 view 
 template that makes it easier to fold them? 

>>>
>>> *I think classic storyview for both columns would be best.*
>>>
>>> *I was even thinking about adding the ability to easily fold tiddlers. 
>>> See how this is done in Roam in the attached gif*
>>>  
>>>
 - I personally like the idea of being able to hide the second story 
 even if there is a tiddler(s) open it, and be able to restore it later and 
 pick up where you were. Is this behaviour something you want? I sometimes 
 use the second story a bit like a "to do" list and like being able to come 
 back to it when needed.

>>>
>>> *I do too, but it should be viewed by default in the online file so 
>>> people are aware of it.*
>>>

 Also if you give me a little time, I can go through the components we 
 would be adding to TiddlyBlink to see if they can be optimized or cleaned 
 up. As I mentioned I wrote this when first getting to know TW5 and I am 
 sure there are tricks I missed and core improvements since that we can 
 leverage. I am happy to help just please keep in mind that my schedule is 
 a 
 bit crazy at the moment, as I am volunteering at the local hospital. So I 
 go from having a fair bit of time to some very busy days.

>>>
>>> *I am not in a rush, and appreciate your willingness to help me on

[tw5] Is there a way to programmatically disable/remove the edit and create new tiddler buttons before uploading it to a hosting site

Are you using control panel appearance toolbars to hide the buttons?

if so toggle thier visibility then use [haschanged[]] in the advanced search 
tab to see the visibility tiddlers that were changed. Export those tiddlers set 
to "hide" as a json file. May as well set them to show and export them as 
another file.

Then before you upload drop the hide json and import them. When editing drop 
the show json on the wiki. If you look for making bookmarklettes you can even 
have a book mark trigger this.

Of course you could set a lot more settings this way.

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Re: Bullet points sometimes don't work

Birthe, I deleted the 3 double quotation mark, but it does not make a 
difference.

I also had it on another tiddler where I had 3 dashed (---) for a horizontal 
line. When I added something above it with an empty line in between, the 
horizontal line was not rendered anymore, just the 3 dashes occurred. I "fixed" 
it by deleting the double slashes (//) on both sides of the text. But that's a 
workaround.

Why do you suggest I export the tiddler?

16 Apr 2020, 15:52 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:

> Peter,
> From your screenshots I really do not understand either. But I wonder if you 
> have used 
> ```
>
> Somewhere in the same tiddler. That has often confused me, due to not always 
> seeing the signs and ending it correctly.
>
> If you want, you can export your tiddler from the more actions button i View 
> mode. Export as tid. 
>
>
> Birthe
>
>
> torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 14.28.53 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
>> Birthe,
>>
>> and in this screenshot is another section of the same tiddler that shows 
>> both bullet and numbering works, which is why don't understand it does not 
>> work elsewhere. And it is not the 1st time this has happened.
>>
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[tw5] Re: how to upgrade BoxEXe and BoxLinux Tiddlywiki to 5.1.22