Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
Are you on TT to teach mormon doctrine? DAVEH: No, Perryas I've explained before, that was not what motivated me to join TT, nor is it the reason I remain. My main focus was and is to learn about your (Protestants in general) beliefsand, I must say...I've learned a lot, though

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Thanx for your reply, Christine. I hope somebody else will give me some insight as to how non-LDS folks perceive this. Christine Miller wrote: Hm. Actually, Dave, I do not know how to answer you. I remember God constantly referred to Ezekiel as "Son of Man," so there is a

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Word game, Perry?!?!?! You must realize that you are trying to force me into a dilemma. IF I were to answer as you want me to, I would be lying. Though my memory may be weak, I surely know my reasons for joining TT and continue to remain steadfast in my explanation of why I came to

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I've noticed that sometimes the guy who made those suggestions isn't too warm to the idea either. :-D TruthTalk has too many posts for active people to keep up. I have suggested in the past that we limit the number of posts per day, but such an idea has not been warmly

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
All three of those say it is a false religion. DAVEH: And you would give any consideration that what I say might be true, Perry? Do you want me to dig out any of the exchanges you had with DavidM about what you think of any truth that may be found in Mormonism.? As I've previously

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Passing is for young football players, and race car drivers, Terry. I don't think you qualify in either instance. Listen Terry, don't you realize that the older you get, the worse your eyesight will become. Just let those giggling scantily clad young ladies read the mic for you! You

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Christine:Did I 'miss' your response to the query concerning those who'know' Christ as a living presence in their lives but, fail to 'know' the meaning of Scripture in some or, many areas. (such as you just exhibited)? - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
I have never observed otherwise. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 03:06 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac Are you on TT to teach mormon

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
There are a variety of understandings forSatan in Job, the serpent in Genesis, the Nephilim in Genesis and on and on...Why it is that some balk at my little formula continues to puzzle me when, IMO, all TT participants demonstrate it's accuracy regularly. (Text + believer + Spirit +

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
C'mon Perry! Why not just take a poll of all on TT? I, for one, vote with Dave Hansen on this. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 03:36 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses

[TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: May 26, 2005 14:42 Subject: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer Lance, this may be too long to post on TT. I'll let you be the judge. I'm writing as if to you--you asked the question, and besides, that keeps

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Perhaps in that which Debbie has written. There exists a forum (to be named off list) through which we (Jonathan, Debbie, Caroline , Bill) might fruitfully engage one another. Interested? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
IFF he is not nuts. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 26, 2005 19:20 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation Written with a light heart, a smile and a tongue firmly in

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Bishop JD:May I suggest a course entitled 'Empowering the Church for First World Re-evangelization: Theological and Missional Themes' whose theological center is the recovery of trinitarian theology and Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom (in it's broadest sense - the sense in which Jesus meant it

[TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Judy Taylor
What did Christine say below that exhibits such a failure to understand? All three were cursed including the creation for their sakes... So how does your "other" gospel say the scenario goes? jt On Fri, 27 May 2005 05:17:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christine:Did I

[TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Judy Taylor
It's only IYO Lance because your own lack of understanding stands out like a sore thumb most of the time and because all you will accept is your own theology there will never be other than theological Bable in your eyes. On Fri, 27 May 2005 05:23:40 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
I'm just re-referencing the presence of diverse understandings of Scripture by genuine believers. You don't disagree with that do you, Judy? Is there, in all cases, ONE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? I'd be interested in hearing back on this? I am prepared, unless anyone out there chooses to

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Any inclination, Judy, to tell us that, in all cases, when you cite Scripture in support of some position or other, that that citation is, in reality, the sole meaning of that/those Scripture(s)? Do you at least acknowledge that diverse understandings exist, by genuine believers (exclude me

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread Terry Clifton
You can forget about forming your liberal church, John. Someone has beat you to it. The Church of Anything Goes. I had an epiphany last night. I am tired of having to pray every day for the finances of this ministry. I am tired of people sending me nasty and hateful emails. I am tired

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: There are a variety of understandings forSatan in Job, the serpent in Genesis, the Nephilim in Genesis and on and on...Why it is that some balk at my little formula continues to puzzle me when, IMO, all TT participants demonstrate it's accuracy

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer

2005-05-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: May 26, 2005 14:42 Subject: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer Lance, this may be too long to post on TT. I'll let you be the judge. I'm writing as if to

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
If my husband werent the computer geek I wouldnt even have one! Don't you just hate this. You pay the big bucks and then, well, you have so little control over the thing. John

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Frequently. Guess I'll have to quit that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:15 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Interesting. Be sure to give us an update. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:38 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses

RE: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry if you follow Daves advice you will need rubbers; not leathers. Better keep your Bride at your side instead. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, I think we should all agree that Dave does push his mormon views on TT (just as we all push ours), but that he does not concede that as his primary motivation for being here. Perhaps it is subconscious in his case. I know I personally feel manipulated by the mormons whenever I try

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy says of Mormonism:'Not worth 'fighting' about.' I'm thinking she might wish to qualify that as the nature of God and the Gospel are indeed worth very serious engagement ('fighting' aside). - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Show me, please. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 07:53 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, there is definitely only one accurate understanding of scriptureand that is Gods intended meaning. Granted, there are deeper levels of accurate understanding, but none of them invalidate the others. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Diverse understandings of scripture by genuine believers is obvious. But not diverse accurate understanding. Just because genuine believers have differing understandings does not make them all accurate. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
BIG SMILEY FACE!!! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:35 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com] You can forget about

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
FYI, I also found Debbie to be a different person offline. It goes both waysjust the nature of a public forum. Blessings, Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject:

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
(Ill leave you to decide whether I meant computer or husband.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Good point, Lance. However it is my nature (calling?) to give my best attempts at explaining the gospel until/unless I am convinced that the person is not really open to such and is, in fact, only toying with me. Then I leave them to their own devices. But I hang out, always hoping they

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Terry if you follow Daves advice you will need rubbers; not leathers. Better keep your Bride at your side instead. Iz I intend to. Couldn't do without her.

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Izzy says re:understanding of scripture: 'none of them invalidate the others.' IFF I have 'UNDERSTOOD YOU' correctly then, shouldn't you just be amening everyone's interpretation/understanding of every scripture? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Charles:Are you angrier at the Mormons than God is? - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 08:57 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac Dave, do you

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
a visionary comment or a present time reality? Either way you have nailed the assignment. JD-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 05:37:33 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels.

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer

2005-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, thanks for posting this very candid and informative post. It is almost always a good exercise to see oneself as others see you. From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
This IS a course that I currently have for sale on 24 CDs. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 09:04 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses

[TruthTalk] Izzy's J smiley.

2005-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
No need to quit that because a few of our mail readers can't display it. Express yourself. We will just think the message is from Jesus. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, I am not angry at them. I am pained by their inability to reason outside of Joseph Smith. They do not think for themselves at all. When it comes to spiritual things, they cling to Smithism like they are clinging to a sinking life raft in a storm. By the way, I DO beleive that the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Perry:There are some, you and I among them, on TT who similarly 'cling' to that which is simply not so concerning the nature of God and His Gospel. Would you not agree? Does one find penetrating 'that' any easier? Lance - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVE: ??? I don't understand your answer, Lance. Are you saying you think I am here to teach Mormon doctrine? Lance Muir wrote: I have never observed otherwise. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, I agree with you. We all want to be in truth, and cling dearly to and defend that which we believe to be true. I typically have not spent my time trying to penetrate 'that'. My reason is that, first of all, I consider most of those issues to be in house debates. Christians reasoning

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:38:09 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com] BIG SMILEY FACE!!! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Perry:Then carry on with that to which you 'feel drawn'. I engaged in similar activity for about 18 months some 20+ years ago. I've come to rather different conclusions concerning the intrinsic value of such activity. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I respect your position, and I beleive that we may have settled our first point of contention. While you may not consider some of your responses to be teaching mormonism, I most whole-heartedly believe that some of it is. When you answer questions that are asked, and even when

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Now, just who was it that was speaking of 'Babel' and, interpretation? Ahh, it was I. No Dave, I was agreeing with you saying that THAT WAS NOT WHY YOU WERE ON TT! That is what I meant by saying 'I never thought otherwise'- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Christine Miller
How did I misinterpret God's actions in Genesis? Why do you think God never addressed the serpent? Lance wrote: Did I 'miss' your response to the query concerning those who'know' Christ as a living presence in their lives but, fail to 'know' the meaning of Scripture in some or, many areas? I

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Christine Miller
Lance, are you offering an explanation to the passage or just a lamentation? Tell us what you think. Lance wrote: = theological Babel Ooh like the tower? :-) BlessingsLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a variety of understandings forSatan in Job, the serpent in Genesis, the

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, Our second point of contention is that I feel you have repeatedly maligned me by misrepresenting my position with respect to my belief that you indeed are teaching mormon doctrine on TT. I have repeatedly said that I believe TT to be an open forum, and that you, as well as any

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread Christine Miller
Whoa Terry, great post! To hear you talk about tolerance for beastiality or adultery as the homosexuals demand tolerance puts the issue well into perspective. Amen, sir. BlessingsTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can forget about forming your liberal church, John. Someone has beatyou to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
For the most part, Debbie speaks for me as well. The only exception might be that in off list discussions, I have not observed people being too much different, but this might be flavored by differences in how we filter what people write. I try hard not to read between the lines more than I

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: There exists a forum (to be named off list) through which we (Jonathan, Debbie, Caroline , Bill) might fruitfully engage one another. Interested? Feel free to name the forum on this list if you like, Lance. Is the forum open to other TruthTalk members or only John and those you

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
NO. You obviously just dont get it, Lance. You seem to think that everyones differing opinions are all correct. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:53 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk]

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes. You think everyone is right except for the fundies. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:53 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses

[TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: Calling DM nuts is an ad hom attack, and entirely uncalled for. Lance wrote: IFF he is not nuts. It is an ad hominem argument even if it were true. The truthfulness of the statement does not matter. What matters is whether he is speaking to the man or addressing the point

RE: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teac

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just keep doing whatever the Lord asks you to do, Perry. Blessings, Iz -Original Message- I pray that if this compulsion to reach out to momons is of Him that it persist, and that if it is not that he remove it. Perry

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
To clarify, Lance, none of the CORRECT interpretations invalidate the othersthey must be in agreement with them, just perhaps some have deeper understanding. Do you need examples? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, May

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
I did NOT do so, Christine. You appear openand, this is excellent. When you reach your Dad's age (you should live so long!) you will have come to an understanding more expansive than the one you now have. May you continue to grow in grace. - Original Message - From:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Just a lamentation, Christine. Your dad is, IMO, in the business of offering explanations for passages. I rarely engage in such, as all on TT know, due to the fact the nobody every changes their mind. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To:

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
So then, Christine, you 'would' have picked up the first stone? - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 11:32 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Take my opinion, please? I've been reading ME but, have you? You jest, you young thing you. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 11:40 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom'

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Yes, mommy, I do. Please? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 11:54 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911?? To clarify, Lance, none of the

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Is there a moderator in the house? Izzy is a bona fide author. We know that she'd run a tight ship. She'd pare the list down to 2 or 3 in no time at all. How 'bout it Iz?. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 11:48

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
So wherewas the concernwhen Deegan called me a liar half a dozen times? -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:24:35 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments Is there a moderator in the house? Izzy is

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
These problems -- did they include Deegan and his use of the word "liar?" -Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:48:53 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments Izzy wrote: Calling DM nuts is an ad hom attack,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
Author?-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:09:04 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met This IS a course that I currently have for sale

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
It will be open to all. Keep watch! - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 11:37 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation Lance wrote: There exists a forum (to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
I agree with Perry. The shoe is close to my size. JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:08:12 -0700Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: farewell to TT -- long but most real answer Lance, thanks for posting this

[TruthTalk] Knowledge of Truth and Star Wars Trivia

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote to Christine: When you reach your Dad's age ... you will have come to an understanding more expansive than the one you now have. Very true. Nevertheless, there are very few things that I believed when I was Christine's age that I would say that I was wrong about. Mostly, I was

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
John wrote: So where was the concern when Deegan called me a liar half a dozen times? Just for the record, John, I wrote Gary privately about that and his response was asking me to dig up the old posts for him. Then he posted something to TruthTalk that basically said he wanted people to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
John wrote: These problems -- did they include Deegan and his use of the word liar? Yes. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Darryl Johnson Charles Ringma (speakers - it's an audio course dumbkoff! - (AD HOMINIMUM ADVISORY) Lance is at it again, Gary. PS:Seriously, please don't 'fire' Gary. He is remarkable. I love the big lug. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Knowledge of Truth and Star Wars Trivia

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
May the truth be sith you Davi-wan. Popcorn anyone??? Yes thanks. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 13:17 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Knowledge of Truth and Star Wars Trivia Lance wrote to Christine:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
I am used to Kevin -- you need to understnd that using the "n" word was like me leaning over, slapping you on the back, and saying, "so this confirms it, youARE really nuts." I meant it in a friendly sort of way. I will refrain from that word in the future. JD-Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Christine Miller wrote: Whoa Terry, great post! To hear you talk about tolerance for beastiality or adultery as the homosexuals demand tolerance puts the issue well into perspective. Amen, sir. Blessings Thank you

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Met

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
Thank god I am not German, or I would be affended !!Gaa -- re-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:36:00 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was:

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Okay, I have a minute before dashing out the door. How about God is love? A child (or a liberal with childish thinking) will think, Oh, God loves meHe will only do things a loving father would do. This is absolutely True! However, when this child gets a bit older he realizes that God is

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Excellent! Thanks. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 13:51 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911?? Okay, I have a minute before

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
John wrote: I will refrain from that word in the future. It is not the word, per se. Calling people pretender or hypocrite is worse, in my opinion. The real problem is turning the subject to being about the person you are discussing an issue with rather than continuing the dialogue. Lance

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: When Jesus comes to establish his kingdom physically by subduing the nations of the earth, he will do so with a rod of iron. Do you believe this? Lance wrote: No I do not How do you interpret the following passage? Psalms 2:7-12 (7) I will declare the decree: the LORD

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: There are a variety of understandings for Satan in Job, the serpent in Genesis, the Nephilim in Genesis and on and on ... Why it is that some balk at my little formula continues to puzzle me when, IMO, all TT participants demonstrate it's accuracy regularly. (Text + believer +

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Is there, in all cases, ONE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? I'd be interested in hearing back on this? It depends upon the subject, Lance. If one person says Jesus is not the Christ, and somebody else says that Jesus is not the Christ, then there is only one correct understanding here

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Psalm 2 addresses the themes of 'God's Annointed' and, of His universal dominion. The theme you 'wish' for me to acknowledge is more that of the 'singer/psalmist', not that of the Lord Himself. As to Revelation David, I'm not a literalist when it comes to this book. I believe it to have masked

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: ... there is definitely only one accurate understanding of scripture-and that is God's intended meaning. Granted, there are deeper levels of accurate understanding, but none of them invalidate the others. Lance wrote: IFF I have 'UNDERSTOOD YOU' correctly then, shouldn't you

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
This what I like about Linda -- she doesn't stay mad long -- except with me, of course. But I don't mind. She gets enough humor in there that Ireally do not mind. The ad hom --- it is as bad as it gets, which is somewhat encouraging to me. We are big boys and girls. Bill Keller's piece did

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] A possible 'kingdom' response to 911??????

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Ahhh 'the imaginings of the mind! That's when you (David Izzie) impose your tradition on the Scriptures As I've read the two of you over this extended period of time I've sensed a sort of syncretism from both of you (as you probably think of me). You both appear to be

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
What you have said is genuinely void of meaning. You've simply said what I posted a year or two back 'My theology can beat up your theology') - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 14:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
That is true --hopefully you will come to see your complicity in the problem, as well.-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:07:22 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments John wrote: I will

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's J smiley.

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: No need to quit that because a few of our mail readers can't display it. Most email readers probably can display it. They simply need to be setup with the right character set. I use Outlook Express and it displays the smiley faces fine. My font encoding uses Western European

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's J smiley.

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:02:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's "J" smiley. Perry wrote: No need to quit that because a few of our mail readers can't display it. Most email readers probably can

[TruthTalk] Separation of Church and State

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Your dad is, IMO, in the business of offering explanations for passages. I rarely engage in such, as all on TT know, due to the fact the nobody every changes their mind. The goal is not to change minds, but to add to the foundation of knowledge which already exists. Those who

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Separation of Church and State

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Well then, may those who have ears.I believe in the separation of the church and religion. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 15:26 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Separation of Church and State Lance

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fortune 500 company]

2005-05-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Subject: 500 Employees Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics: *29 have been accused of spousal abuse *7 have been arrested for fraud *19 have been accused of writing bad checks *117 have directly or

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance against displays his slick ability to miss the entire point. Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:58 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fortune 500 company]

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
I thought you were going to identify a local church (same thing) - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 27, 2005 16:00 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fortune 500 company] Subject: 500 EmployeesCan you

RE: [TruthTalk] Separation of Church and State

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Cool! Will you send us a copy of the article? (Don't be surprised if the reporter twists and misstates everything you said and tries to make you look bad--this is common with reporters. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. But in this case you had to try to get the Truth out.) Izzy

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fortune 500 company]

2005-05-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Where do you go to church, Lance? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:09 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Fortune 500 company] I thought you were going to identify a local church

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