DAVEH: Perry.I intend to respond to one (or more) of your previous
posts, but am getting behind on both my email and sleep! However, your
below post compels me to ask you a question.
If you really believe that it is God's will that all be saved, why
does God allow the Devil to exist
Actually JD what we are saved from is the
wrath of God against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of
men.
and since we are born into this world
spiritually dead in trespass and sin we're sitting ducks but
unaware
until God's Law shows us our need for
Christ. judyt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005
How does God determine what is
fornicationand what is not? I would think this would be
the important part because
fornicators DO NOT inherit his Kingdom. Adulterers don't
either. judyt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:56:56 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know what I think about living
Praise for 'The Last Word and The Word after That' (Brian McLaren, 2005 -
just released)
'Brian McLaren has written a remarkable book on hell and the grace of God.
And it is one hell of a book! The book is a narrative account, offered in a
winsome conversational mode. McLaren's work will be of
In a message dated 4/13/2005 1:42:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually JD what we are saved from is the wrath of God against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.
and since we are born into this world spiritually dead in trespass and sin we're sitting ducks but
Many are on the broadway Few are on the narrow way!
MANY are called but FEW are chosen!
Du 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Neither Lance, I
McLaren in Generous Orthodoxy posits that God saves
by judging. If He did not tell us what, where, why, how etc when we're wrong,
we'll never know. He says that God's judgment is very closely allied to His
forgiveness and mercy, so close it's practically the same. After
judgment-forgiveness
You can biblically support exactly
that:
We're all born sinners into the hands of an angry
God. Some will become saved, stay saved to the end and escape their hellish life
and destiny.
You can also biblically support this:
We're born ignorant of God's love and what He has
done for us in
In a message dated 4/13/2005 4:28:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Many are on the broadway Few are on the narrow way!
MANY are called but FEW are chosen!
Du 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye
JD sazs Scripture for this? and by this question, I am asking how you establish the above in scripture? Is there a N.T. scripture that speaks of being "saved from His wrath" -- there may be but where is it?
It is in the Holy BIBLE - Read it:Rom 5:8-9 But God commendeth his love toward us, in
AND FEW at that, how about the others?
And all the SAVED today are Christians and Few but how about the others?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/13/2005 4:28:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Many are on the broadway Few are on the narrow way!MANY are called but
LOL Judy! I wonder what God said to Isaac and
Rebekah the morning after. For the longest time the State did not govern or
legislate marriage. They had to do that when our societies got more complicated.
I haven't done any research in this area but when did State sanctioned marriages
happen?
Rethinking Reimagining can not change reality.
Those that Remodel hell are fixing to move in.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Praise for 'The Last Word and The Word after That' (Brian McLaren, 2005 -just released)'Brian McLaren has written a remarkable book on hell and the grace of God.And it
Was it three months ago when I came into your bookstore and asked, so what
prevents us from being universalists? and you answering, tradition.
That book is exactly my journey. I wonder if it's the journey of countless
others.
Love,
Caroline
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL
Thanks Kevin ... here's a few more NT verses, enough to
meditate on JD:
Matthew 22:7
Romans 1:18
Ephesians 5:6
Colossians 3:6
Hebrews 3:11
Hebrews 4:3
Revelation 8:16,17
Revelation 14:10,11
Revelation 15:1,7
Revelation 16:19
Revelation 19:15
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Kevin
Rom 5:8-9 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
God commended His love but it is MUCH MORE important that we partake of that Love, sothat we not face
In a message dated 4/13/2005 4:47:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JD sazs Scripture for this? and by this question, I am asking how you establish the above in scripture? Is there a N.T. scripture that speaks of being "saved from His wrath" -- there may be but where is it?
In a message dated 4/13/2005 4:49:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
AND FEW at that, how about the others?
And all the SAVED today are Christians and Few but how about the others?
Rev 7:9 -- let the scriptural wars begin !!! Kind of silly (?)
Could it be, that the "Kingdom of God" is representative of something different than the "Kingdom of Heaven"?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The word "kingdom" is used in a number of differing ways in scripture. One of it's usages has to do with the present time reality IN THE DAYS AND LIFE OF CHRIST and
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:50:54 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LOL Judy! I wonder what God said to Isaac and
Rebekah the morning after.
What would bewrong with Isaac
Rebekah's union, they had the blessing ofboth families and she went
willingly.
For the
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DAVEH: Perry.I intend to respond to one (or more) of your previous
posts, but am getting behind on both my email and sleep! However, your
below post compels me to ask you a question.
If you really believe that it is God's will that all be saved, why
JD writes:
So, while you on the right think there is some kind
of grand departure from the truth (we really do have our share of ignorant
discussions, don't we ??), I remind you of the above
scriptures. You have a choice: you can read and
accept these scriptures; you can correct me in love
I had this draft sitting in my Draft box, which
I'll post now even though the poll has been counted. I am sure the gate to the
fold is not locked yet.Paragraphs are answers to Caroline's
questions.
Universal. For the whole cosmos. I think the
limited atonement idea comes froma concern that
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
F
, I do not know why he has chosen to allow Satan have power on the
earth for this period of time. Perhaps the Scriptures reveal that in
some way I have not yet been shown. But, I accept that God, in his
sovereignty, is perfect in his reasoning.
Perry
A MANS MORALITY DETERMINES HIS
THEOLOGY.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:33:49 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Princess of Wales was pretty messed up too. A
high power, high pressure marriage of convenience/love of two wounded
children. We all need saving - every
I started about 3 replies. One from Romans about
Paul's struggles. One from real life examples of how people's actions were
contrary of their beliefs. One from what we know about addictions. But I
realize it will be fruitless. The voice that cries out "if you fail, it's your
DAVEH: Thanx for sharing your thoughts on this, Perry.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DAVEH: Perry.I intend to respond to one (or more) of your
previous posts, but am getting behind on both my email and sleep!
However, your below post compels me to ask you a question.
If you really
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:11:31 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I started about 3 replies. One from Romans
about Paul's struggles. One from real life examples of how people's actions
were contrary of their beliefs. One from what we know about addictions. But
It would have been unheard of even 10 years ago but there is a rising
tide
of Evangelicals who are switching from exclusivism to inclusivism,
conditionalism or even universalism. Some say such a movment must be
the
work of the Spirit; others say it is the great apostasy of the end
Lance wrote concerning the third heaven:
This scripture [2 Cor. 12:2] demonstrates nothing.
I was just wondering why you used the label unbiblical when the Bible does
mention a third heaven.
Lance wrote:
May I assume that you and Izzie are 'one' are the
point of hell at the center of the
Exactly, Jt. Thats the crux
of the question. Any answers? Is a civil legal ceremony required by God? Is a
marriage more than that in Gods eyes? Izzy
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005
2:35 AM
To:
Caroline wrote:
Consider all the people that Jesus cast demons
out of. Were they happy go-lucky people?
It is the chicken and the egg, thing. Do the demons cause pain and despair
or do they find people who are in pain and despair and then feed off of that
pain and despair? Some of the
Oh,
another goodie for the refrigerator door!!! Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005
5:51 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only
this Message can give Assurance
Only if a merciful God gives us a future
datewe cant presume upon tomorrow. Izzy
BTW, you can always change your mind on a future date.
Love,
Caroline
The Kingdom
of God and eternal life
begins here and now. So does hell. Welcome to your future.
Love,
Caroline
Yes, and no. We are on
one path or the other now. But we have NO CLUE how amazingly wonderful heaven
will be, or how incredibly hideous hell will be. Izzy
In a message dated 4/13/2005 5:05:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Could it be, that the "Kingdom of God" is representative of something different than the "Kingdom of Heaven"?
worth a study
John wrote:
In Galatians, Paul makes clear the teaching
on holy days -- there are none.
David Miller wrote:
Can you elaborate on this, John? What specific
passage did you have in mind?
John wrote:
Gal. 2:19; 4: 9-11; Romans 14 (where the weak
or wrong brother is the one who honors
I share the sadness Judy expresses about
all of the Royal family. I watched the wedding of C and C and
wished I could be wishing them happiness, but instead I just felt great sadness
for them and despaired of God ever blessing their union. I also thought about
how very lost everyone in
Good quote, jt. Where did it come
from? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005
6:55 AM
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay
Single Young Man
A
*Note subject change
Subject was "Jesus as King" and now it
is"Legalism"
John wrote:
god
[sic]is not a legalist.
I realize that
thepopular concept today isthat God is not a legalist. Is
there any Biblical reason for this concept? It seems to me that Jesus
would not have had to die if
Are you saying that Christians do not battle Satan or demons?
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell
Caroline wrote:
Consider all the people that Jesus cast
I don't remember where it originated but I heard it
from Bill Gothard years ago. jt
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:16:26 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Good quote, jt.
Where did it come from? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Knowing Nicky Gumbel and N.T. Wright from the
Church of England, I'm not at all worried.
Love,
Caroline
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:12
AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stay Single
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:24
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single
Young Man
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:11:31 -0500 "Caroline Wong"
But I realize it will be fruitless. The voice that cries out
if you fail, it's your fault! shape up or ship out! it's easy! read the
bible! just do it! no excuses!you worthless piece of will
drown all.
Love,
Caroline
Wow; how very condemning. Where did you
God promised the Jews a earthly King KingdomGod promises us a Heavenly King Kingdom
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JD writes:
So, while you on the right think there is some kind of grand departure from the truth (we really do have our share of ignorant discussions, don't we ??), I
NO, jt
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:11:31 -0500 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I started about 3 replies. One from Romans
about Paul's struggles. One from real life examples of how people's
actions were contrary of their beliefs. One
In a message dated 4/13/2005 5:52:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think the "security" question depends on what we mean by salvation. My reconciliation has been entirely accomplished by another, is secure and cannot be undone. God will never have anything to hold against
Hell is a Horrible place and NO WARNING is too strong!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Kingdom of God and eternal life begins here and now. So does hell. Welcome to your future.
Love,
Caroline
Yes, and no. We are on one path or the other now. But we have NO CLUE how
Things that are different ARE NOT the same.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/13/2005 5:05:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Could it be, that the "Kingdom of God" is representative of something different than the "Kingdom of Heaven"?worth a study
Do you Yahoo!?
In a message dated 4/13/2005 5:42:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JD writes:
So, while you on the right think there is some kind of grand departure from the truth (we really do have our share of ignorant discussions, don't we ??), I remind you of the above scriptures.
In a message dated 4/13/2005 6:23:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I started about 3 replies. One from Romans about Paul's struggles. One from real life examples of how people's actions were contrary of their beliefs. One from what we know about addictions. But I realize it
In a message dated 4/13/2005 7:54:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May I assume that you and Izzie are 'one' are the
point of hell at the center of the earth?
Yes, of course. That is what the Bible teaches us
Well, I have always defended myself as a bibilical literalist.
Judy wrote:
I believe that the seed was always spiritual in nature,
ie Abraham had two sons only Isaac was the son of promise.
But Paul says that this concept of two sons was an allegory (Gal. 2:24),
meaning that we should not adopt any idea of a literal spiritual seed.
Judy wrote:
Jesus was
Did God actually promise them that Kevin or did they
assume Jesus would be an earthly King and deliver them from the Roman
oppression? I know they were disappointed when he burst their
bubble. jt
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
God
An acquaintance of mine, a professional Christian
counsellor, spoke of BGLT, (Bill Gothard Lag Time). The amound of time lapsed
between those who had attended a conference and, their own need for
counsel.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To:
This is an uniformed assessment.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 13, 2005 11:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single
Young Man
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:27:01 -0500
Metaphors coming up
We areimmersed in a sea of voices - voices
from the past - voices we have internalized - our parents, our teachers, our
pastors. From the spiritual realm, Satan sows lies into our lives. From our
inner being, the Holy Spirit speaks to us.
Sometimes I feel the seeds
Screwtape should get bonus pay. I suppose it'll be
too much to hope he would get vacation instead.
Love,
Caroline
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:50
*Note subject change
Subject was Jesus as King and now is Paradigms concerning the law
John wrote:
... since we are not under law, the qualifiying statements
found in I Tim 3 are suggestions -- not legal requirements.
Izzy wrote:
Why not just let God's kingdom rule, instead of JD's?
This
In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:12:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I truly hope that my
questions do not cause you to get upset with me.
I will answer your questions, but, regarding this comment: I do get angry with you -- no sense of humor in me for David Miller. It 's
In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:20:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I realize that the popular concept today is that God is not a legalist. Is there any Biblical reason for this concept? It seems to me that Jesus would not have had to die if God was not a legalist. God could
So far as I know Lance, BG did not claim to be God in
the lives of the ppl who came to his Seminar - I am
also sure that the problems these ppl had did not
spring up overnite and I can't help but wonder what
kind
of counsel they would recieve that would be helpful
from an acquaintance of
In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:28:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't remember where it originated but I heard it from Bill Gothard years ago. jt
I was one of the better legalist in my younger days -- I was a proud disciple of sorts of Gothard. Whatever happened to
In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:41:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God promised the Jews a earthly King Kingdom
God promises us a Heavenly King Kingdom
You misunderstand the very words of Christ.
JD
John wrote:
Rev 7:9 --
let the scriptural wars begin !!!
John, did you ever look up Rev. 7:14 in the Greek and see that this is
talking about those coming out of THE TRIBULATION THE GREAT? If we accept
this literally, this means that this innumerable multitude
In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:47:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Things that are different ARE NOT the same.
Some call me "Dad" and some call me Mr. Smithson. Same guy.
JD
Caroline wrote:
... if you fail, it's your fault! shape up or ship out!
it's easy! read the bible! just do it! no excuses!...
I like being kicked in the pants like this. It sounds like maybe you don't?
I think a lot of my failures stem from lack of discipline and just plain
laziness.
WATCH OUT for Rowan Williams archbishop of Canterbury who performed the wedding!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/02/nbish02.xmlsSheet=/portal/2005/01/02/ixportaltop.htmlArchbishop of Canterbury: This has made me question God's existence
Archbishop of Canterbury Is
In a message dated 4/13/2005 8:56:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An acquaintance of mine, a professional Christian counsellor, spoke of BGLT, (Bill Gothard Lag Time). The amound of time lapsed between those who had attended a conference and, their own need for counsel.
In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:07:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do think you are hitting on something here, Izzy. The "Churches of
Christ" movement are among the biggest proponents of this dispensational
perspective that John has concerning us no longer being under
In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:17:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, did you ever look up Rev. 7:14 in the Greek and see that this is
talking about those coming out of THE TRIBULATION THE GREAT? If we accept
this literally, this means that this innumerable multitude
Izzy wrote:
Any answers? Is a civil legal ceremony required by God?
Is a marriage more than that in God's eyes?
First of all, several times this phrase has been mentioned, civil legal
ceremony. There is no such thing. The civil authorities don't care about
or require a ceremony of any kind.
It never works for me, David. Love works wonders. Criticize me and I rebel
or shrivel up. Love me and encourage me and I climb mountains. Maybe that's
why God handles us all so differently? :-) :-)
Love,
Caroline
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Caroline, then whose voice were you
referring to, saying such unkind things? And why is it fruitless?
Are you talking about something entirely unrelated to the post that you were apparently
commenting on? And why do you ask when is the last time we heard the Lords
well done or felt His
In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:33:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The State has little or no interest in marriage
ceremonies.
Actually, when my wife and I were married by the State -- they brought employees into the area of the ceremony (and they called it a "civil
John wrote:
I am no biblical literalist, as of this post.
I'm glad you are coming to know your true self, John. We have known this
about you for a long time, and have tried sometimes to communicate that, but
sometimes it takes an indirect statement to make one realize such things.
:-)
There
David, your comments are
SO trueespecially these
below! If they dont approve
of what Gods word
has to say about it, they blame it on us and think evil of
us for believing it. Id
rather be approved by God than by men any day.
Izzy
-Original Message-
Have you noticed how they
In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:07:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now add to this the idea that there is no more law, no more legal
requirements, but only guidelines. Once we accept that, then nobody is
condemned if they only once get drunk, or only once fornicate, or
On Monday 25 September 2000 I went to hear Nicky
Gumbel and his ALPHA team in the Waterfront Hall in
Belfast. ... snip ...
Lance wrote:
This is an uniformed assessment.
Were you there? Can you offer us a more informed assessment from someone
who was there? How about some presentation
John wrote:
You is de only one who robs me of my smile.
Got to work on that.
Yes, we do need to work on that, don't we.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians
John wrote:
As long as the two us function with differing definitions
(regarding legalist) , a continued discussion is really
not possible.
When you said that God is not a legalist, you said this in the context of
how the commandments of Scripture are guidelines and do not necessarily have
In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:07:31 AM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do think you are hitting on something here, Izzy.
The Churches of
Christ movement are among the biggest proponents of this dispensational
perspective that John has concerning us no longer
Thanks for the interesting points, DM. Izzy
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:32 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man
Izzy wrote:
Any
From:
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005
11:04 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Paradigms
concerning the law
How easy it is when things are established in monologue.
And
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:53:06 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy wrote: I believe that the seed was always
spiritual in nature, ie Abraham had two sons only Isaac was the son of
promise.DM: But Paul says that this concept of two
sons was an allegory (Gal.2:24),meaning that
How about speaking the truth in love
Caroline?
It's my personal belief that too much of the professing
Church lacks being perfected in love and would rather
expose than cover the multitude of sin in others while
waiting forGod or leadership to deal with them. I used
to hear some call what
John wrote:
The Churches of Chrsit are the biggest proponents of law
I think you are talking about the way they read the New Testament, straining
at the letter of it. What I was talking about was how they approach Torah.
If I had a nickel for every time I quoted an Old Testament passage to a
John wrote:
Are they
without number or not?
Not. The passage only says that no man could
number them, meaning, that if a man looked at them all, there were so man that a
mancould not assign a specific number to them. Surely you would
agree that God cannumber them.
Peace be with
John wrote:
No big deal but things are not quite the way
they are depicted by Miller.
I stand corrected on the way I depicted civil ceremonies. The truth is that
I have never been to one and the only people I have known to have been
involved with such have described them as little more than
GUIDELINES?
Like choose one from column A one from Column B?
If we are so much under grace, why was Jesus Christ tuffer than the LAW?
Why did he add to it?
MATT 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you,
In a message dated 4/13/2005 10:13:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
As long as the two us function with differing definitions
(regarding "legalist") , a continued discussion is really
not possible.
When you said that God is not a legalist, you said this in the
In a message dated 4/13/2005 11:38:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How easy it is when things are established in monologue.
And what is that supposed to mean, JD? Another meaningless dig from the King of Monologues? Izzy
Free pass # ! ated 4/13/05 wow -
In a message dated 4/13/2005 12:29:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
GUIDELINES?
Like choose one from column A one from Column B?
Nope, Large Man. Like "do this and don't do that."
Judy wrote:
God called Isaac the seed of Promise in Genesis 21:12
so nothing has changed.
I don't see the word promise in Gen. 21:12. Even if it did, Paul
interprets for us that this understanding is an allegory. Furthermore,
consider Romans 4:13-16 and see how the seed has nothing to do
That is just the point. Far fromdemonizing
the law,the love of Christ, which we who are indwelt by him should expect
to begin to embody,surpasses and hence supersedes the law.
But by the same token, this law-superseding love is
shown to us as well. Ourfailures to embody it arenot a
Uninformed is as uninformed does, David. Hell at the centre of the earth? A
three decker universe? Six day young earth creationism?
Like I've said frequently: a fundamentalist with a Phd!
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God is not only NOT a legalist, He is also not RELIGIOUS!
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 13, 2005 13:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism
John wrote:
As long as the two us function with differing definitions
Reminds me of that line in "Michael" where Michael
says:"I created standing in line."
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From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 13, 2005 14:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow Way Not
Loving
John wrote:
Are they
Yes, let's speak truth in love as love covers a
multitude of sins.
Love,
Caroline
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Judy
Taylor
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:44
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