, single user is not really going to cut it)
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 10:44 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Hi Bill
From: Doug
Here what you do in your PHP code and really it is that easy:
// Load Include and open session in Apache Tomcat:
?php
require_once(java/Java.inc);
[snip great example]
With respect and appreciation for the solutions presented, if you
have any interest in using U2 with other
I couldn't agree more Tony.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, 7 February 2011 9:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
From
In a message dated 2/6/2011 2:02:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
So as we see these great examples of solutions created by
individuals, generously provided here, just remember that we can
(and IMO should) just have one way of doing it, in a consistent
MV
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:07 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Doug:
Let me point out an alternative perspective. An ISV's job is to sell our
applications. If we can't compete in our business marketplaces
, February 05, 2011 2:48 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Doug:
I believe what you're saying. You ought to believe many of us who point out
that we're familiar with partners and competitors who put their enterprise
.NET applications for small businesses on an SQL
:12
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 02/02/11 18:57, Wols Lists wrote:
The problem is, where do you put the layers. That's my beef with
relational, the layer is in COMPLETELY the wrong place. This means a
large chunk of information, which
From: Bill Haskett
When software is spread around like the spare light
bulbs in our house, perhaps this should alert us that
things aren't very good, and the industry needs to
take a good hard look at their practices. :-)
You and I have talked about this many times my friend. Frankly I
From: Dan McGrath
1) By having to pay for something as elemental as
language bindings...
2) How do create a language binding for U2 without several
issues...
Dan, I believe my notes were misunderstood.
To your point #1: When I talk about someone paying for coding, I
didn't mean language
This is one the few times, I can remember, I agree with Tony. Our job as
programmers is to develop code. We write code in UniBasic, JavaScript,
HTML, PHP, .Net, or whatever. We still in the end have our data stored in
on of Rocket Software's databases (Unidata or Universe).
We have worked
I have to disagree with the claim that none of the above interfaces
exist.
I'm currently in conversation with someone who has achieved connectivity
from PerlPHPD3 in order to have a type of web store.
I'm going to be looking at this to make the mods necessary to make it Perl
PHPUniverse. It
Of Doug
Sent: 04 February 2011 18:57
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
This is one the few times, I can remember, I agree with Tony. Our job as
programmers is to develop code. We write code in UniBasic, JavaScript,
HTML, PHP, .Net, or whatever. We still
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:32 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
From: Dan McGrath
1
Doug:
Let me point out an alternative perspective. An ISV's job is to sell
our applications. If we can't compete in our business marketplaces, we
need to make adjustments or look at alternatives. Competition mostly
means we need to offer a product that benefits our customers at a price
...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:18 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
I have to disagree with the claim that none of the above interfaces exist.
I'm currently in conversation with someone who has achieved connectivity
from PerlPHPD3
List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Doug:
Let me point out an alternative perspective. An ISV's job is to sell our
applications. If we can't compete in our business marketplaces, we need to
make adjustments or look at alternatives. Competition mostly means we need
to offer
You go from PHP to Java to UniObjects ?
Wouldn't this mean the client must have their own Java compiler as well?
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From: Doug dave...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you
...@aol.com
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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
You go from PHP to Java to UniObjects ?
Wouldn't this mean the client must have their own Java compiler as well?
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From: Doug dave
From: Steve Romanow
Look at the number of language bindings for most db's. U2 has
2, and
they are ok, but only 2. MongoDB has like 10-20.
That problem is easily fixed technically. Language bindings
don't need to come from the DBMS vendors. And let's face it,
they aren't that creative and
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: 03 February 2011 08:34
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
From: Steve Romanow
Look at the number of language bindings for most db's. U2 has
2, and
they are ok, but only 2. MongoDB
(and excessively prohibitive in the age of the web).
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 3:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP
Tony I think you're missing something here if I may be so BOLD, since I'm
never ever bold... ok anyway to be serious
In the history of our community, there have been people who developed a
product, created a market for it, that was evidently so interesting to one of
the hardware/os
That is part of the business environment though. Apple bought CUPS,
Bottomline bought Optio. Oracle bought mysql, java, and openoffice.
The only real protection is know your licensing, and be prepared to
replace any part of your stack if the application functionality,
usage terms, or support
enable new
players to enter the and expand the market space.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 7:34 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do
From: Wol
The problem is, where do you put the layers. That's my
beef with relational, the layer is in COMPLETELY the
wrong place. This means a large chunk of information,
which *belongs* in the database layer, *has* to be put
into the business layer.
That inspired another blog. :)
This reminds me of the spare light bulbs in our home. My wife keeps
them in five (5) different places. I keep complaining I can never find
the right light bulb for the right light fixture with a burned out
bulb. :-)
When software is spread around like the spare light bulbs in our house,
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 3:34 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
From: Steve Romanow
to customize it for
them, which really means taking out all the special hooks while they pay for it
:)
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From: Glen Batchelor webmas...@all-spec.com
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Sent: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP
On 02/02/11 18:57, Wols Lists wrote:
The problem is, where do you put the layers. That's my beef with
relational, the layer is in COMPLETELY the wrong place. This means a
large chunk of information, which *belongs* in the database layer, *has*
to be put into the business layer.
Even the
February 2011 23:19
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Storage is something completely different. Think of business objects
rather than tables/rows/columns or file/record/fm/vm/sm/tm or even
XML.
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From: u2-users-boun
] On Behalf Of phil walker
Sent: 01 February 2011 23:19
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Storage is something completely different. Think of business objects
rather
than tables/rows/columns or file/record/fm/vm/sm/tm or even XML.
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boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of phil walker
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:19 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Storage is something completely different. Think of business objects
rather than tables/rows/columns or file
in
a hologram ;-)
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 3:16 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Storage
: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Storage is something completely different. Think of business objects
rather than tables/rows/columns or file/record/fm/vm/sm/tm or even
XML.
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boun
Let's not forget here that the business user wants a solution.
If you can come in, with their solution, and no one else can, and you're a
good salesperson, and the price is right, you get the signature most of the
time.
The reason products like Shims took off is because there was literally no
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of phil walker
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:19 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Storage is something completely
On 02/02/11 18:05, phil walker wrote:
Agreed it is the database. I guess I was not clear. If your
archictecture has layers dbms/DAL/BAL/UI then you COULD if you wanted to
theoretically at least change one of these without largely impacting the
other layers. Therefore if you did not like the
, 2011 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Bottom line: There are no absolutes.
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Let's not forget here that the business user wants a solution.
[phil walker] That's right.
If you can come in, with their solution, and no one else can, and
you're a
good salesperson, and the price is right, you
February 2011 7:31 a.m.
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Let's not forget here that the business user wants a solution.
[phil walker] That's right.
If you can come in, with their solution, and no one else can, and
you're a
good salesperson
its ridiculous
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
There are people on this list
of the web).
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 3:48 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Be careful what you wish for. I didn't start out
: Thursday, 3 February 2011 2:09 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
There are people on this list that have been working with this database
for 40 years or more, can you say that about the products you are so
hyped up on. This database/environment/platform has
@George - you're probably right -- I found the doc on that link was dated
Feb / Mar of 2010 -- that was well into Rocket-realm, but perhaps they just
'wrote up' the logic IBM used to make the change. And yes -- it appears the
any 'socket' sets iPhantoms. The problem is that the logic does not
On 2/1/2011 12:58 PM, David Wolverton wrote:
Have to get started -- Sadly, no one is going to pay me to fix this. And I
write enough issues on my own without someone else creating issues for me!
So... Goodbye CallHTTP -- Heo cURL!
DW
The investment in cURL also gives you numerous other
about 5 for the same kind of money
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: 01 February 2011 17:58
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
@George - you're probably right
On 2/1/2011 2:04 PM, Symeon Breen wrote:
I find the whole licencing issue a real pain.
Compare to sql server - express edition for free comes with 100 pooled
connections as default - ok there is a max DB size
Or the db's like pgsql, mysql, etc with no restriction.
01, 2011 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 2/1/2011 2:04 PM, Symeon Breen wrote:
I find the whole licencing issue a real pain.
Compare to sql server - express edition for free comes with 100
pooled
connections as default - ok there is a max
Breen
Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2011 8:15 a.m.
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
I find the whole licencing issue a real pain.
Compare to sql server - express edition for free comes with 100 pooled
connections as default - ok there is a max DB size
From: Glen Batchelor
MelissaDATA - Data Quality Suite
On one hand I'm worried about a perception of smack talking
some company here, but on the other hand I feel a need to convey
my experience.
I have personally been affected by breach of privacy issues with
MelissaDATA. They harvest and
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boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:34 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? (CASS
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
George:
I'm not sure what you mean by front-end. No software can be sold
today with a telnet-based character interface. So, if you mean a CUI
front-end then I'd have to point out that you don't really get a
front-end
.
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:10 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 2/1/2011 2:04 PM, Symeon Breen wrote:
I find
: Wednesday, 2 February 2011 9:31 a.m.
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
My one thing to say on this is u2 does not = green screen - i have not
written
a green screen app for many many years - but i still use u2 and other
DB's
extensively.
From: u2-users
walker
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
If you still have a green screen and want to put a GUI/Web interface on
it, then do the redevelopment, but look to see if you can layer your
application architecture so
: Wednesday, 2 February 2011 10:31 a.m.
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
While that all makes sense, the one difference here between U2 and the
others (Oracle, MySQL, MSSQL) is the usage of multi-value data
storage.
Even if U2 had the best GUI interface
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 1/28/2011 3:49 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote:
We're using it to consume address verification web services.
Larry Hiscock
Western Computer Services
Can you recommend a company for CASS verification
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
We tried out Group1 Software a few years back. Not sure if their still
in business.
Not Pick...but..
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Thanks for the feedback folks. The reason I was doing this query was to
review the 'reason' for the recent license changes that make CallHTTP
'consume' a seat if it is used within a 'phantom' process. I didn't say WHY
I was interested get 'genuine' usage comments. Like many of you, I use
Phantoms use a seat. Always have. It really has nothing to do with what
the phantom process is doing. It invokes a Universe session. I would
suggest that if you don't want to use a Universe seat to accomplish an
HTTP read you utilize cURL, Wget or some other OS level command line
tool to
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boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Here is the link for the 'business case' for making CallHTTP 'eat a
seat'
when used
Schasny
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:33 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Phantoms use a seat. Always have. It really has nothing to do with what
the phantom process is doing. It invokes a Universe session. I would
suggest that if you don't want to use
With a web service, running Pick is not relevant . :)
On 1/31/2011 9:15 AM, George Gallen wrote:
We tried out Group1 Software a few years back. Not sure if their still in
business.
Not Pick...but..
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but it does make it a little nicer if they are.
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boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:06 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do
, January 28, 2011 7:53 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 1/28/2011 3:49 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote:
We're using it to consume address verification web services.
Larry Hiscock
Western Computer Services
Can you recommend a company
On 31/01/11 15:04, David Wolverton wrote:
Am I out on a limb here saying that CallHTTP should probably not cause a
Phantom to go iPhantom? I mean, Rocket can do whatever the heck they want,
it's their sandbox after all and we really have no choice but to suck it
up... But is the logic they
On udt phantoms do not use a licence.
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny
Sent: 31 January 2011 15:33
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Phantoms use a seat. Always have
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: 31 January 2011 15:05
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Thanks for the feedback folks. The reason I was doing this query was to
review the 'reason' for the recent
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:42 PM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Any
Jeff:
I don't believe phantoms use a seat by default. The solution you
advocate is one that has been occurring in the PICK market for years; if
you want to do something reasonable then get off of PICK to another
product that doesn't use a very expensive telnet licensing paradigm,
especially
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like doing lookups against a
web service call?
Or are you using it to 'serve' data to others? Rocket says you can do this,
but I can't see how it would work offhand and would like to
One use we have is to send/consume XML to an external third-party service
provider. We also use internally for web service calls. The first time
doing it can be a challenge. After that, it's pretty straight-forward. It
has been very stable for us.
Brad.
U.S. BANCORP made the following
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:51 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like doing lookups
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:51 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like doing lookups against a web
service call
The only thing I'm using it for is to get currency exchange rates.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:50 PM, David Wolverton dwolv...@flash.net wrote:
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like doing lookups against a
web service
We're using it to consume address verification web services.
Larry Hiscock
Western Computer Services
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:50 PM, David Wolverton dwolv...@flash.net wrote:
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like
On 1/28/2011 1:50 PM, David Wolverton wrote:
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
None whatsoever.
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like doing lookups against a
web service call?
Or are you using it to 'serve' data to others? Rocket says you can do
- or preferably write a webservice in say .net and use
uniobjects.net - it really is 20 lines of code.
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Wolverton
Sent: 28 January 2011 18:50
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] What do you do
: Friday, January 28, 2011 1:29 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 1/28/2011 1:50 PM, David Wolverton wrote:
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
None whatsoever.
Are you 'eating' someone else's data with it - like doing lookups
Which twenty?
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From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
CallHTTP is used to call someone else's http service like a webservice
:05 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
Which twenty?
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From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com
To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do
From: David Wolverton
What uses have you found for CallHTTP for in your applications?
David, as you know, I use web services every day and have written
articles, products, and interfaces for clients based on them.
The modern world is all about The Cloud, Virtualization, Software
As A
From: Symeon Breen
In order to serve data to others you would not use
callhttp - you should use the sockets interface - or
preferably write a webservice in say .net and use
uniobjects.net - it really is 20 lines of code.
From: fft2001
Which twenty?
Symeon - I know you know this, just
From: Symeon Breen
In order to serve data to others you would not use
callhttp - you should use the sockets interface - or
preferably write a webservice in say .net and use
uniobjects.net - it really is 20 lines of code.
From: fft2001
Which twenty?
Symeon - I know you know this, just
On 1/28/2011 3:49 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote:
We're using it to consume address verification web services.
Larry Hiscock
Western Computer Services
Can you recommend a company for CASS verification?
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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
On 1/28/2011 3:49 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote:
We're using it to consume address verification web services.
Larry
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