Jan Claeys schreef op za 23-04-2011 om 02:49 [+0200]:
> BTW: I've already seen developers who include code in their
> application to whitelist itself.
As Jorge asked me on IRC what applications are doing this...
http://www.fewt.com/2011/03/whitelist-utility-script-to-allow-apps.html
is one examp
On 2011-04-21 22:49, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> On 2011-04-08 08:52, Martin Pitt wrote:
>> Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
>>> 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no
>>> systray support for many important applications.
>> ...
>> If this is a major issue, then frankly
Martin Pitt schreef op vr 08-04-2011 om 08:52 [+0200]:
> Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
> > 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
> > support for many important applications.
>
> For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a
> technical
On 2011-04-08 08:52, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
>> 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
>> support for many important applications.
> ...
> If this is a major issue, then frankly I'd rather just remove the
> whitelist and allow all
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Evan Martin wrote:
> (Chrome shows a systray icon when it has gone into "background" mode:
> no visible windows, but still running. This allows extensions and
> apps to work in an "offline" fashion; e.g. a mail notifier can tell
> you you have new mail, and click
Jeremy Bicha schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:37 [-0400]:
> On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys wrote:
> > Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]:
> >> * The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.
> >> Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any
because screen is hard mode.
On 20 April 2011 05:07, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys wrote:
> > Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]:
> >> * The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.
> >> Crashes are usually quick to
On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys wrote:
> Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]:
>> * The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.
>> Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any user test of those
>> would be weeks out of date when publi
Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]:
> * The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.
> Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any user test of those
> would be weeks out of date when published. I mentioned them only as
> a reminder
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Jono Bacon wrote on 16/04/11 20:05:
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> On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 03:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>...
>> Last week, Charline Poirier ran a user test of Unity, with 11
>> individual participants. This week, I have helped Charline analyze the
>> res
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:03, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>>* The weather notifier is missing. I really like this little notifier so
I
>>>know when to throw open the windows and get some fresh air!
>>
>>Install the "indicator-weather" package - it's in the official Natty repos
>>(universe).
>
>Thanks,
Hello,
>* The weather notifier is missing. I really like this little notifier so I
>know when to throw open the windows and get some fresh air!
Install the "indicator-weather" package - it's in the official Natty repos
(universe).
>* System monitor. I like this little applet because it gives m
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 09:17 +0100, Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2011, Rick Spencer wrote:
> > > > For brand new users? Some of the tasks aren't relevant.
> > > Which ones?
> > Changing the background image and setting in general.
>
> On the contrary. Changing the wallpaper and screensaver
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 03:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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> Rick Spencer wrote on 08/04/11 02:38:
> >...
> > Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
> > default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of d
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 23:29 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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> Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08:
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> > First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning
> > and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved
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Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08:
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> First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning
> and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in
> interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 01:33:27PM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48:
> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> > Also, these tests measure usability, but not their overall impression.
> > Did they like it? Find it frustra
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 07:08:02AM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 22:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> > > * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
> > > * Only 4/11 worke
2011/4/15 Matthew Paul Thomas :
> * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
> access them by hovering over maximized close/minimize/unmaximize
> buttons then moving horizontally -- which was extremely slow, and
> failed whenever the window wasn't maximized.
W
First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning
and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in
interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some
areas for improvement in 11.10, and these results will be instrumental
in helping to guide t
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Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48:
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> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>>
>> * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
>> * Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background pi
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>> * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
>> * Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture.
>> * 6/10 could easily find
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to
> * Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture.
> * 6/10 could easily find and launch a game that wasn't in the
> * Only 1/9 (P4) easil
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Rick Spencer wrote on 08/04/11 02:38:
>...
> Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
> default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
> it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity w
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 11 April 2011 13:22, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> [snip]
>> I think it's the height of arrogance for us to tell a user that we're
>> going to deliberately break his application because it wasn't updated to
>> use our new indicator library
On 11 April 2011 13:22, Scott Ritchie wrote:
[snip]
> I think it's the height of arrogance for us to tell a user that we're
> going to deliberately break his application because it wasn't updated to
> use our new indicator library. "Still working the way it used to" is a
> reasonable fall back.
On 04/11/2011 06:26 AM, Martin Owens wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 04:22 -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote:
>> I think it's the height of arrogance for us to tell a user that we're
>> going to deliberately break his application because it wasn't updated
>> to
>> use our new indicator library.
>
> We tell
On 04/07/2011 11:52 PM, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
>> 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
>> support for many important applications.
>
> For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a
> technical problem. Unity
Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 19:05 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit :
>
> I mean "GNOME" here, as most of the patches we carry for appindicator
> are against GNOME applications.
>
> But it really applies to all other upstreams, starting from hplip,
> mumble, etc.
Hi,
Not that I agree that unity shoul
Hi,
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Sean McNamara wrote:
>> As a long time Gnome2 user (and prior to that Windows), I agree that
>> not having the Windows-style "taskbar" is rather jarring for someone
>> used to having it. Changing betwee
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Sean McNamara wrote:
> As a long time Gnome2 user (and prior to that Windows), I agree that
> not having the Windows-style "taskbar" is rather jarring for someone
> used to having it. Changing between windows in Unity is a mystery, and
> if you are running more tha
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Martin Owens wrote:
> But what is available isn't classic ubuntu gnome... at least not in
> testing so far:
Seb128 has fixed this, the Classic GNOME in Natty as of yesterdayish
is now what you'd think "Classic" should be.
For people who prefer classic they'll get
Oops -- I meant to send this to the whole list, not just to Timo!
Sorry for the double mail, Timo!
Sean
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Sean McNamara wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
>> 2011/4/8 Timo Jyrinki :
>>> There are a lot of bugs and lack of feature
Am 09.04.2011 06:43, schrieb Sean McNamara:
> ...
> I have much respect for the Unity developers for contributing to FOSS,
> and I think that it has genuine utility in the netbook form factor. I
> just don't think it's ready for the general purpose desktop. My wish
> is for the Ubuntu Netbook Remix
2011/4/8 Timo Jyrinki :
> There are a lot of bugs and lack of features (and many have been fixed
> already as well) and the performance is quite bad in parts, but those
> are not as serious as a) crashers and potentially b) accessibility and
> lack of any help.
Just reflecting on the more recent p
Hi Rick,
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 06:38:27PM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote:
> Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
> default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
> it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay
> the def
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
>> default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
>> it appears that we are going to achieve
I have to agree. Unity has potential but I don't understand why it can't just
be an option for DE.
BB
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On 04/07/2011 06:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
> default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
> it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay
> the default for 11.
Sebastien Bacher [2011-04-08 19:03 +0200]:
> Who is upstream?
I mean "GNOME" here, as most of the patches we carry for appindicator
are against GNOME applications.
But it really applies to all other upstreams, starting from hplip,
mumble, etc.
Martin
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Le vendredi 08 avril 2011 à 18:38 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit :
> Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is a battle
> which we aren't going to win until/unless we actually get indicators
> landed upstream...
Who is upstream? libappindicator is a free software project not tied to
u
Jorge O. Castro [2011-04-07 22:00 -0400]:
> We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should
> be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by
> not shipping the notification area in classic mode.
Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is
Neil Jagdish Patel [2011-04-08 11:38 +0100]:
> I'll be looking into this, I believe it's because we needlessly
> initialise the place-daemons during log-in.
Does that include zeitgeist? As a Python program, it has a pretty heavy
impact on the login sequence. In previous releases we tried to keep i
2011/4/8 Neil Jagdish Patel :
> 3.8.4 should be much, much more stable, especially if you're on a 64-bit
> system. The entire team is concentrated on crashers and I think we'll
> have a very stable Unity by hard-freeze.
Sounds good, and yes I've 64-bit which explains a bit.
> F10 - Opens first av
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 11:13 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> For 11.10, probably something should be done about the logging in
> time, with is terrible at least with a traditional spinning, encrypted
> disk, compared to normal Gnome. Weirdly sometimes I saw a pretty fast
> logging in even after reboot
2011/4/8 Martin Pitt :
> I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I
> feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior
> now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast keyboard
> shortcuts/search/navigation and bigger screen real estate.
I have started to
On 04/08/2011 03:38 AM, Rick Spencer wrote:
> Representing the desktop team, Jason Warner believes that Unity will
> deliver the superior experience for most users in 11.04. I agree with
> this position and support staying the course.
When I look at the current state, I find that statement hard t
Alex Launi [2011-04-07 23:46 -0400]:
> I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel
> at home.
I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I
feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior
now; I'm particularly missing the su
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]:
> 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
> support for many important applications.
For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a
technical problem. Unity does have a systray, but most applications
are not a
I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel
at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was
broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide,
throwing my mouse to 0,0, tapping super, and generally evoking unity idi
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer wrote:
> 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray
> support for many important applications.
According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area
will be phased out:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuD
Hi all,
I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what
others say too much.
I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make
Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity
should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME.
Pidgin
Hello all,
Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by
default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development,
it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay
the default for 11.04.
I'm following up on this list at the suggestion of
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