IPhone 6 has died, how to invoke DF you?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,
I have had this happened once before, but on my for S. No it has happened on my 
six, so I need to use the DFU protocol. I know that I have to plug it into the 
computer, but what else?

Thanks, in desperation, Sandy

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Re: The Device — Pivothead Wearable Imaging

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hello,
Sorry about the confusion. I have seen these on various sites in connection 
with the Seeing AI app. I am considering buying a pair, but can’t find them in 
the UK, as yet and was wondering if other people had already tried them. they 
look pretty good and, with the potentiality of working with apps, may be a 
great boon to us. Plus, as the alternative, at the moment, other devices such 
as Orcam, they are a fraction of the price. I believe, they have been on sale 
for at least a year now. The producers, pivot head,   are working with 
Microsoft on their compatibility with seeing AI app. The developer of the 
Seeing AI app, a VIP himself, uses them with the app. so, where to go from here?
All best, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jan 2018, at 23:42, <b.sch...@sbcglobal.net> <b.sch...@sbcglobal.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Thanks, I didn’t go farther because I thought these were the ones a local 
> woman is pushing for $3,000.
> Bryan
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Device — Pivothead Wearable Imaging
>  
> The link takes you to the website for a pair of glasses called “Smart”. 
> Apparently they can be used in connection with the Seeing AI app or at least 
> I think that is how this thread started.
> On said website is a link for “Buy Smart”, if you click on that it takes you 
> to another site where it says they are $379.99 (I assume that is US Dollars) 
> and the following product description:
>  
> PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
> SMART delivers a power-packed device with style that rivals even that of the 
> most popular sunglass companies.
> Endless customization options give you the chance to design a pair just for 
> you. The swappable lenses and half jackets allow for an easy transition from
> business to swag in seconds. Make SMART match your style.
> Never carry a camera again. SMART takes the conventional, clunky camera and 
> converts it into a pair of shades that not only keeps you in the moment, but
> also captures it. With a touch panel, SMART allows the user to take a 
> picture, record a video, even LIVE stream an event with a simple touch. 
> Embedded
> Bluetooth technology makes it even easier to adjust settings and capture 
> content quickly and efficiently.
>  
> SMART Features
> Crisp 8mp Image Quality with Three Modes:
> • Single shot
> • Burst: Capture bursts of 3, 5, 10, or 16 photos at full 8 megapixel 
> resolutions.
> • Time-lapse: Six time-lapse settings allow to you capture hands-free action 
> sequences over an extended period of time.
>  
> Full 1080p HD Video with Multiple Focus Settings
> • Introducing an all new feature, the Grab. Grab capture allows for the user 
> to record a 6 second video for that quick and unforgettable moment.
>  
> Street-Smart Notifications
> • Simple, subtle audio and visual notifications through an intelligent LED 
> light guide
>  
> SMART has the capability to live stream your point-of-view. With the all new 
> SMARTMOD™ System, SMART gives you the power to live stream your point-of-view
> from anywhere to anyone. Take your experiences and share them with the rest 
> of the world - live.
>  
> *only compatible with purchase of the Live Mod Set   
>  
> Capture your perspective with the world’s most advanced wearable camera. 
>  
> WHAT'S IN THE BOX
> • Pivothead SMART Eyewear
> • 1 Fuel SMARTMOD™ w/ adapter
> • 1 set of Clear lenses
> • 1 set of Slate Grey lenses
> • 1 set of wire bottom frames
> • 1 8gb Micro SD card
> • 1 Micro USB cable
> • Quick start guide
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Lange
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Device — Pivothead Wearable Imaging
>  
> What’s this about? Can’t find the article if there is one. 
>  
> 
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:45 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>
> Date: 2 January 2018 at 12:52:47 GMT
> To: sandratomk...@googlemail.com
> Subject: The Device — Pivothead Wearable Imaging
> 
> 
> http://www.pivothead.com/smart
> 
> 
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Fwd: The Device — Pivothead Wearable Imaging

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sent from the dark side of the moon

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sandratomkins 
> Date: 2 January 2018 at 12:52:47 GMT
> To: sandratomk...@googlemail.com
> Subject: The Device — Pivothead Wearable Imaging
> 
> 
> http://www.pivothead.com/smart
> 
> 
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Re: Seeing AI app and Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses?

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Richard,
Happy post Boxing Day to you too! here is the link, I hope it works…
https://youtu.be/boKL2P2ZCik

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> On 26 Dec 2017, at 15:17, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Happy Boxing Day.
> Would you happen to have a link to one of those videos?
> If not I will do some searching, but if you had it handy, that would be great!
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
> On Dec 26, 2017, at 6:48 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>
>>> Date: 26 December 2017 at 13:57:17 GMT
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.comv
>>> Subject: Seeing AI app and Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses?
>>> 
>>> Hallo the list and hope you all had a good festive season!
>>> 
>>>I saw, in some YouTube videos, that the developer of Seeing AI also uses 
>>> a camera head set called the Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses. Indeed, 
>>> Microsoft and the pivothead people are working in conjunction with 
>>> eachother on the seeing AI platform. I was wondering, has anyone got them? 
>>> Tried them? Considered them? They are pricey, but a fraction of 
>>> GoogleGlass, about 300 Dollars. I am wanting to treat myself for Xmas, but 
>>> not sure about which version to buy etc.
>>> 
>>>Any feedback re these glasses would much appreciated!!
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Sandy. 
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: Seeing AI app and Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses?

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sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 26 Dec 2017, at 19:26, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’d definitely be interested in checking out those videos, so post some links 
> if you can. A $300 price point sounds pretty reasonable compared to something 
> like the OrCam which runs in the thousands of dollars. 
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Happy Boxing Day.
>> Would you happen to have a link to one of those videos?
>> If not I will do some searching, but if you had it handy, that would be 
>> great!
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 26, 2017, at 6:48 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>
>>>> Date: 26 December 2017 at 13:57:17 GMT
>>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.comv
>>>> Subject: Seeing AI app and Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses?
>>>> 
>>>> Hallo the list and hope you all had a good festive season!
>>>> 
>>>>I saw, in some YouTube videos, that the developer of Seeing AI also 
>>>> uses a camera head set called the Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses. Indeed, 
>>>> Microsoft and the pivothead people are working in conjunction with 
>>>> eachother on the seeing AI platform. I was wondering, has anyone got them? 
>>>> Tried them? Considered them? They are pricey, but a fraction of 
>>>> GoogleGlass, about 300 Dollars. I am wanting to treat myself for Xmas, but 
>>>> not sure about which version to buy etc.
>>>> 
>>>>Any feedback re these glasses would much appreciated!!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Sandy. 
>>>> 
>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Fwd: Seeing AI app and Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses?

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sent from the dark side of the moon

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sandratomkins 
> Date: 26 December 2017 at 13:57:17 GMT
> To: viph...@googlegroups.comv
> Subject: Seeing AI app and Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses?
> 
> Hallo the list and hope you all had a good festive season!
> 
>I saw, in some YouTube videos, that the developer of Seeing AI also uses a 
> camera head set called the Pivothead HD Smart Sunglasses. Indeed, Microsoft 
> and the pivothead people are working in conjunction with eachother on the 
> seeing AI platform. I was wondering, has anyone got them? Tried them? 
> Considered them? They are pricey, but a fraction of GoogleGlass, about 300 
> Dollars. I am wanting to treat myself for Xmas, but not sure about which 
> version to buy etc.
> 
>Any feedback re these glasses would much appreciated!!
> 
> Thanks, Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

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hi,
Being a fan of seeing AI app, I have to say, the hand writing recognition, 
where it to be integrated with the document channel, could give us something 
very special! we could access filled in forms et cetera. it looks very doable 
to me. raising this issue, far from being a complaint, is actually a useful 
suggestion. Worth putting it forward to Microsoft, perhaps?

very satisfied, Sandy

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> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:35, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I 
> am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things 
> are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are never 
> satisfied.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they 
>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there 
>> very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have 
>> and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
>>> most of your life this technology it great.
>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>> 
>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to 
>>> use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>> 
>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
>>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that 
>>> little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are 
>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what 
>>> it cannot do?
>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
>>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work 
>>> on allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, 
>>> fine. But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise 
>>> for this huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who 
>>> spearheaded this app is blind, he probably is already working on 
>>> recognition in forms.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  
 wrote:
 
 Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
 sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
 entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
 written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
 
> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
> not working before you try it?
> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to 
> keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
> 
> no, it works.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
> 
> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the 
> 

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

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> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong <simonwo...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello Richard,
>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, 
>> I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working 
>> on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, 
>> so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude 
>> remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. 
>> Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be 
>> able to read them! I have always wanted to read those things. I love reading 
>> my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but 
>> well done Microsoft!
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandy,
>>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
>>> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to 
>>> hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
>>> picture.
>>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi,
>>>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>>>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>>>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>>>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>>>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
>>>> too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
>>>> take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description 
>>>> which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, 
>>>> it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the 
>>>> cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
>>>> Very happy, Sandy
>>>> 
>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Andy,
If you consider that this functionality has been used by post office sorting 
systems for decades, I am only surprised we haven’t had before. but, 
truthfully, I find it works and it works really well!
Give it a try, Sandy

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> On 17 Dec 2017, at 02:04, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
> involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
> It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
> 
> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
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> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi rebecca,
>>  
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
>> channel, and it did really well.
>>  
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the 
>> card.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>> From: Rebecca Ilniski
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>  
>> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
>> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
>> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
>> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

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hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

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> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
> steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too 
>> long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a 
>> picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is 
>> quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it 
>> recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud 
>> to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
>> Very happy, Sandy
>> 
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Re: Battery Plunge

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Kim,
I have been experiencing similar battery behaviour on my iPhone six. I am now 
running 11.2.one I think it is and will see if this has improved the problem.
Sandy

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> On 15 Dec 2017, at 13:57, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> Ever since updating to iOS11 my battery status has been doing really
> strange things. I've seen the dramatic plunges in percentage though
> not to 0 in a matter of minutes. I have also seen strange bounces in
> battery percentage like 93% that suddenly plunges to 50 or less then
> shoots back to around 90 when the phone has not been plugged in or
> charged in any way. Often I can correct the behavior by powering down
> the phone, but it only fixes it for a time. I chalked it up to iOS11
> but I don't know for sure. This is the first post I've seen from
> someone who also has been seeing this behavior.
> 
> Kim
> 
>> On 12/14/17, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>> Hi, the flashlight was off. The screen brightness was set to 0. There
>> were no GPS apps running in the background. I'm telling you it dropped
>> from 73% to first 20% and then 10% in a matter of less than a minute.
>> Then, when I attempted to power on, I couldn't get it past the initial
>> white screen you get when you're resetting the phone. It was extremely
>> odd behavior, and the only reason I speculate it had something to do
>> with the Uber app is because when I finally got the phone to reboot,
>> the battery was at 50% until I relaunched the Uber app at which point
>> I managed to request another ride before the phone crashed again.
>> Today it's been just fine. It's held a consistent charge as it always
>> has. So, who knows. Weird coincidence. Next time I'll know to not
>> leavve without a spare battery of some sort.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On 12/14/17, Shai  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am also using an IPhone 6S with the latest iOS version and I have
>>> not had this issue with the Uber app. I would take the considerations
>>> of the other posters to lower screen brightness and confirm that your
>>> flashlight is not on, but I would also consider having your battery
>>> replaced. It sounds like the battery could be faulty. I had my battery
>>> replaced a few months back as I found the battery to not be as long
>>> lasting as I thought it should  and ever since then, my iPhone6s has
>>> been working quite well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/14/17, Joe Orozco  wrote:
 Yesterday evening I had a strange situation where my battery plunged
 from 73% to 0 in a matter of minutes. Though not certain, I believe it
 may’ve been attributed to the Uber app. I believe this only because
 it’s the only thing I could logically explain. My phone has never done
 this. A while later I managed to get the phone to restart. My battery
 said it was at 50%. I launched Uber to try to get a ride and the phone
 died on me again. Has anyone else seen this behavior before? It was
 rather peculiar and not at all timely as it left me stranded for a
 good while before I could get things operational. Thanks for any
 ideas. I’m on an iPhone 6S using the latest firmware.
 
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hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? 
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

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Re: Envision AI

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Hallo Karthik,

Opportunistically jumping in here, but I note you said you would be working 
on other apps, hopefully, with us in mind. Well, we have a slew of light 
detection apps, many of which are free, but, to my mind, none reflect the 
current state of technological potential. I would like a light detector app 
which can tell me if an electric light is on, what colour it is, if it is 
blinking and iff there are more than one in the view of the camera. This would 
be useful both for led lights, such as on appliances, charging batteries etc, 
but also for general lighting around the house, as this is becoming more 
inventive with colour filters etc.What do you think? Is it doable?

Thanks for all your good work, Sandy.  

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 Nov 2017, at 20:46, Karthik Kannan  wrote:
> 
> Hey Lelia, 
> 
> Please update to the latest version of Envision AI. That should fix bugs that 
> was there in the earlier version. The document text version might take just a 
> little longer if your internet connection is slow. We're currently working on 
> a release that also fixes the issue with live text mode and other things and 
> it will get as stable as it was in our first major beta release
> 
> We're working on Envision AI as a full-time startup with a lot more to come 
> so we'll be around for always to answer your question. :)
> 
> Thanks, 
> Karthik
> 
>> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:36:42 PM UTC+1, Lelia Struve wrote:
>> Hi Karthik, first let me tell you I am so happy that in the applevis forum 
>> you’ve always responded to feedback.  So thanks for that.  That is why I am 
>> keeping this app because I’m sure your busy with other things in your life 
>> as well as dealing with a new app.  So I just wanted to say its appreciated 
>> that you are responding to the community. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Now, just so you know I’ve got an iPhone 7 and not the most recent update 
>> but the one just before that one.  For some reason when I try either reading 
>> documents or turning on the live text I can’t seem to get anything.  When I 
>> try with other apps I get the help I need.  So maybe you can give me some 
>> tips? Maybe your app is a bit different in that I need to wait a bit longer? 
>> These are just questions I’m asking.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Again, thanks.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Lelia
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Karthik Kannan
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 10:00 AM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Envision AI
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Leila, 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm Karthik, the founder of Envision. Can you please let me know what's 
>> still not working for you? We are currently troubleshooting a few issues 
>> with using live text mode on landscape mode but it should work fine on 
>> Portrait. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Karthik
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 7:10:31 PM UTC+1, Lelia Struve wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, so I’m writing to ask if any one is using this app and if so to ask 
>> what you think of it?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Here is my deal, before any updates it worked fine for me, now I can’t seem 
>> to do anything with it even with this latest update.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> lelia
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Re: 3d printers and accessibillidey with jaws or a ios app

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hi Mitch,
I too would like to know about 3-D printers and access ability, particularly, 
with iOS apps. Plus, any experiences people have had with them either working 
with them or just observing their products.
Sandy

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> On 28 Nov 2017, at 22:49, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> hi all. erlier today i was looking around at 3d printers now i should say 
> that i have never seen any thing that has been 3d printed how ever i would 
> like to some time. i was just wondering if any one knows if these are 
> accessible? i was thinking of eather like a app for ios or using jaws to 
> controle printer? also are these printers low enough in price to make oaning 
> them for home use possible? many thanks. from Mich.
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Re: changing the way VoiceOver says something

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this is been, what I consider to be, a bug, since forever! I would love it if 
we could just toggle, in settings, the use of these acronyms or for voice-over 
to just read exactly what is in the text. no one can just sit, they have  
Saturday. everybody gets married on Wednesday. chickens always live in a 
cooperative. you can’t just be told to “come on“ you have to do it on Monday. 
and I have never understood what is meant by “featuring“.

Sandy

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> On 28 Nov 2017, at 03:10, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I’d go ahead and change it in the pronunciation dictionary and see if it 
> holds.  It is treating it that way because of the period after it.
> I cannot remember all the stings in the pronunciation area, but maybe you can 
> fix it there.
>  
> Good luck,
> Richard
>  
>  
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> R Van Lant
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>  
> Hi,
> If VoiceOver says an abbreviation I do not want it to say, can I  change it?  
> I looked in Pronunciation, but I don’t think it will work to change it there. 
>  The word is “coop”.  if it’s in the middle of the sentence, it correctly 
> says “coop” as in the place where chickens are kept.  However, if the word 
> coop is the last word in a sentence, VoiceOver wants to assume it’s the 
> abbreviation for “cooperative”.  Took me a while to figure out why the novel 
> I was reading kept referring to a “chicken cooperative”. 
>  
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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I find a forefinger single tap towards the top of the screen works for me.
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 15:14, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Turab,
> Chris's method works much better than what I gave you. Mine is the original 
> method, given in the manual, but touching the file with one finger and 
> flicking up to share works much better.
> Thanks Chris.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
>> your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
>> Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
>>> after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes 
>>> back into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the 
>>> table but no good. I have am SE running 10.33
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
 Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
  
 I never got that far.
 The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
 never had this happen.
 Richard
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
  
 Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
 and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my 
 review there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I 
 selected all the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct 
 field and then went back and put in a a short title in the first field the 
 submit buttom was available.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
  
  
 While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better 
 job in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
 It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
 since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
 whole pages.
 I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
 Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
 couldn't activate the button either.
  
 All other buttons and links worked fine.
 It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
 Richard
  
  
 
 "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
 flying.
 There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
 learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
 
  
 
 On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
 
 Hi Turab,
 Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
 original text.
 Mr. Ed 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of turab chimthanawala
 Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
 To: viphone
 Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
 
 Hi all
 Seek inputs on the following
 1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a 
 computer.
 2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they 
 get quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the 
 paper being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so 
 that it can make better sense of the text in the image?
 
 Thanks in anticipation
 Best
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Re: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Dave,
Being vegetarian, I couldn’t possibly eat Siri! considering my phone as a sort 
of pizza base is a very interesting concept… as for the turkey content of my 
Christmas dinner, I intend to rescue yours! he shall be seated at the table, 
complete with festive hat and cracker, and I shall watching gobble!

seasoned greetings, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 12:41, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sandra, maybe you could have your phone, for christmas dinner this year, 
> instead of Turkey, it sounds quite nutritious!
> 
> Don't forget, to wrap it in baking foil, to keep in the juices, for making 
> the gravy. lol.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message- From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7
> 
> Sieghard,
> I  use my phone a lot in the kitchen, whilst cooking. like you, I consider it 
> to be tough enough to with stand some sticky patches. I have even been known 
> to leave the odd grain of rice or P adhering to the surface as useful 
> markers! sort of cheap form of speed dots. however, as my iPhone 6 is 
> misbehaving a little, since the latest couple of updates, I might try washing 
> the screen… VOs focus isn’t always good and this may be the answer!
> 
> happy cooking with your iPhone, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:33, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Not to that extend since I clean my screen on a regular bases. Occasionally 
>> when I was working in my woodworking shop or was cooking and I touched the 
>> phone with dirty fingers I might notice some weird behaviour when tapping 
>> and swiping, but this always disappears when I wipe down the screen. I'm not 
>> very concerned what I use, it's glass after all and tough glass at that and 
>> it takes a lot to scratch it. Usually I just use the dish cloth or a damp 
>> towel, turn the phone so the screen is facing down which means if there is a 
>> bit of moisture it won't run into the cut at the top of the screen where the 
>> earpiece is or get in around the home button and then I just rub it down, 
>> then I use a dry part of the towel and dry it off.
>> If you have a screen protector that can of course also be the problem.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>> Barton
>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7
>> 
>> ah cool, yea i'll try that.  I take it this has happened to you before?
>> 
>>> On 11/9/17, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> Clean your screen with a damp cloth, it should not be dripping wet,
>>> but damp or you can use a micro fibre cloth and the liquid you gret
>>> when you buy a kit for cleaning screens.
>>> Also, just turn your phone and back on and see if that helps, but I
>>> bet it's a dirty screen.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Jed Barton
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 6:33 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7
>>> 
>>> Hey guys
>>> 
>>> OK, i've had this happen before, and it seems to have no explaination.
>>> I can not hit anything on the right side of my screen on my iphone 7.
>>> I have to depress the screen very very hard, and i don't wanna damage
>>> anything.  This has happened before.  Like if i go to the very right
>>> of my phone and press the icons, voiceover says nothing.  When this
>>> has happened before i'll let the phone for several hours and it fixes
>>> itself.  Any ideas?
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Re: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,
I  use my phone a lot in the kitchen, whilst cooking. like you, I consider it 
to be tough enough to with stand some sticky patches. I have even been known to 
leave the odd grain of rice or P adhering to the surface as useful markers! 
sort of cheap form of speed dots. however, as my iPhone 6 is misbehaving a 
little, since the latest couple of updates, I might try washing the screen… VOs 
focus isn’t always good and this may be the answer!

happy cooking with your iPhone, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:33, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Not to that extend since I clean my screen on a regular bases. Occasionally 
> when I was working in my woodworking shop or was cooking and I touched the 
> phone with dirty fingers I might notice some weird behaviour when tapping and 
> swiping, but this always disappears when I wipe down the screen. I'm not very 
> concerned what I use, it's glass after all and tough glass at that and it 
> takes a lot to scratch it. Usually I just use the dish cloth or a damp towel, 
> turn the phone so the screen is facing down which means if there is a bit of 
> moisture it won't run into the cut at the top of the screen where the 
> earpiece is or get in around the home button and then I just rub it down, 
> then I use a dry part of the towel and dry it off.
> If you have a screen protector that can of course also be the problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7
> 
> ah cool, yea i'll try that.  I take it this has happened to you before?
> 
>> On 11/9/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Clean your screen with a damp cloth, it should not be dripping wet, 
>> but damp or you can use a micro fibre cloth and the liquid you gret 
>> when you buy a kit for cleaning screens.
>> Also, just turn your phone and back on and see if that helps, but I 
>> bet it's a dirty screen.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Jed Barton
>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 6:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: screen acting strange on my iphoen 7
>> 
>> Hey guys
>> 
>> OK, i've had this happen before, and it seems to have no explaination.
>> I can not hit anything on the right side of my screen on my iphone 7.
>> I have to depress the screen very very hard, and i don't wanna damage 
>> anything.  This has happened before.  Like if i go to the very right 
>> of my phone and press the icons, voiceover says nothing.  When this 
>> has happened before i'll let the phone for several hours and it fixes 
>> itself.  Any ideas?
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Re: A WhatsApp question about voice messaging

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hi,
Thanks for this info, but, I am having trouble finding my sent voice messages. 
Any ideas where I go to look for them?
thanks, Sandy

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> On 6 Nov 2017, at 14:46, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> That's how you sent voice messages in What's App. I guess the only 
> alternative would be to record with another app which saves the file as an 
> MP3, then you would attach this file and send it via What's App as an 
> attachment, but That of course may defeat the purpose. There is no way to 
> change anything in What's App to do what you want, it's meant to be easy and 
> quick, you push/hold to talk, as soon as you let go the message is sent and 
> that is that.
> Once the message is sent you can listen to it, I guess if you didn't like the 
> way it sounded you could send another, but you can't first review as you can 
> with iMessages.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 2:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A WhatsApp question about voice messaging
> 
> hi,
> I have a WhatsApp group, and we are wanting to send  Voice  Messages. 
> however, the only way I can find to do this is to press and hold the home 
> button while talking. Upon releasing it, the message you sent. this doesn’t 
> work for us, this is a language group and so people want more control over 
> their messages. does anyone know of an easier way to make voice messages, 
> which you can review listen to et cetera before sending?
> 
> thanks, Sandy
> 
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A WhatsApp question about voice messaging

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I have a WhatsApp group, and we are wanting to send  Voice  Messages. however, 
the only way I can find to do this is to press and hold the home button while 
talking. Upon releasing it, the message you sent. this doesn’t work for us, 
this is a language group and so people want more control over their messages. 
does anyone know of an easier way to make voice messages, which you can review 
listen to et cetera before sending?

thanks, Sandy

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Re: dictionary

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good morning,
Related to the pronunciation dictionary: I would love to be able to stop vo 
from interpreting, what it sees as, acronyms. S.T., for example, always being 
read as “street“. I don’t have either time or inclination to do each one 
individually, is there a setting I can change somewhere to do this?

thanks, Sandy

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> On 5 Nov 2017, at 01:16, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Vicki,
>  
> I don't know what dictionary you're talking about but if you want to create 
> custom pronunciations for Voiceover to use, go to Settings, General, 
> Accessibility, Speech, and Pronunciations to add words and their 
> pronunciations you want Voiceover to use.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Vicki W.
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 10:06 AM
> To: IPhone
> Subject: dictionary
>  
> Can someone please tell me where to change the pronunciation of words in the 
> dictionary?
>  
> I looked in dictionary and all I found was the possible dictionaries to turn 
> on and off. I've done this before but can't find where I did it.
>  Thank you.
>  
> Vicki
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Re: Question for Aira explorers!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Do you get it with Google Glass? If so, can you use the other functionality of 
Google Glass as well?
Thanks, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 00:51, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> You can also buy packages of minutes too.
> I love it! I navigated Tampa airport with just Aira. it was awesome.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Becky Hesselmeyer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 4:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question for Aira explorers!
> 
> The cheapest plan is $89 for 100 minutes
> The most expensive $350 a month for unlimited 
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>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
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>> How much does it cost?
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>> Aira is awesome
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>>> Hi Jordan;
>>> 
>>> I have had very good experiences with AIA.
>>> 
>>> I just think it’s just too expensive.
>>> 
>>> They should give us more hours.
>>> 
>>> God Bless
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Thanks for this info. Can I also use the group functionality for multiway 
telephone conversations?
thanks, Sandy

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> On 22 Oct 2017, at 20:29, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I use the group feature of WhatsApp quite a bit ... in concept it's very much 
> like this mailing list, except each of us in the group leaves voice messages 
> instead of email messages to the group.
> 
> This might be a good way to offer lessons of any kind, as each less would go 
> out to the entire group, who could also hear any questions.
> 
> When recording long voice messages you may want to know that there is an 
> alternative to holding your finger down on the voice message button (which is 
> the usual way to record a message).  The alternative is to start the message 
> by holding your finger down, then use your other hand to turn off voice over 
> and then turn it back on.  As soon as you turn voice over off you can release 
> your finger from the voice message button and it will continue recording.  
> You can verify this by looking for a timer which is at the bottom of the 
> screen near the voice message button.
> 
> To stop the recording you give the voice message button a double tap.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 6:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose
> 
> hello,
> Somewhat impetuously, I have offered to teach English to various people 
> around the world using WhatsApp. I have used this app for a while now, but, 
> Millie to receive messages and reply to them. I have a list of, say, eight 
> people, with their phone numbers, who wish to avail of my services. Wilde we 
> would be a group, as such, I am thinking that the calls would be on an 
> individual basis. am I right in assuming one can use WhatsApp in the same way 
> that one can use Skype? so, we can chat away as with a normal phone call? 
> would there be any point in me setting up a group? it might be easier to keep 
> tabs of the various calls and people, but not sure about that… in fact, I 
> almost wish I hadn’t volunteered, I don’t really know how to go about this. 
> can anyone give me some tips as to how to organise this via the app?
> 
> thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy
> 
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Re: four finger swipe for moving between apps?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Assuming you have your phone set to portrait locked, when in a nap, with other 
apps open as well, turn your phone to landscape and try the gesture moving for 
fingers from top to bottom or bottom to top. this was how I first got 
successful with the gesture and now can use it with the phone in any position. 
sometimes, it helps to touch the middle of the screen first, to ensure the 
children the content of the app. but I’m not sure this is necessary. One word 
of warning, with the latest update, if you go past the first open app, you may 
get thrown back onto the home screen. One final point, my hands are reasonably 
small and I am using an iPhone 6, whereas, when I use the same gesture on my 
old for S, it can be more difficult to achieve. The phone really does need to 
see all four fingertips. all the forefinger gestures are more tricky because of 
this.

hope this helps you a little, Sandy

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> On 22 Oct 2017, at 13:33, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to accomplish this.
> I can’t get it to work.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 6:53 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> Thanks for the responses, it is now working for me again, after, yet one 
>> more, 
>> thanks, Sandy reset.
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2017, at 13:10, Godwin Adoyi <gad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's working here. I use it everyday.
>>> 
>>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:54:54 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: four finger swipe for moving between apps?
>>>  
>>> hi,
>>> I am using 11.02 and find I can no longer use the four finger swipe to swap 
>>> between open apps. has this functionality gone or changed in some way? I 
>>> have to use the app switcher instead, which is much more of a bother.
>>> 
>>> thanks, Sandy
>>> 
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Re: four finger swipe for moving between apps?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Thanks for the responses, it is now working for me again, after, yet one more, 
thanks, Sandy reset.

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> On 20 Oct 2017, at 13:10, Godwin Adoyi <gad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's working here. I use it everyday.
> 
> Godwin Adoyi Agada
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:54:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: four finger swipe for moving between apps?
>  
> hi,
> I am using 11.02 and find I can no longer use the four finger swipe to swap 
> between open apps. has this functionality gone or changed in some way? I have 
> to use the app switcher instead, which is much more of a bother.
> 
> thanks, Sandy
> 
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Re: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,
Thanks for this endorsement of the app, I shall start using it, properly, 
tomorrow!
Sandy

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> On 20 Oct 2017, at 12:15, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I use Whats App all the time (more than Skype now) to chat with friends and 
> relatives in Germany. The app is not as popular here in North America, but is 
> very popular in Germany and I assume other european countries as well as in 
> South America and some asian countries.
> Yes, you can send text messages, voice messages and video messages and you 
> can easily make audio or video calls with individuals and groups although I 
> have currently no use for group calls.
> What I like is that it integrates nicely with your addressbook/contacts, if 
> you have somebody's mobile phone number and they use Whats App you can 
> automatically call them without requesting a Skype name etc.
> I also find the app much user friendlier especially since Skype's latest 
> major update to version 8. 
> The one advantage Skype still has is that I can call regular phone numbers, 
> their subscriptions are very inexpensive and I get 60 minutes a months of 
> calling via my Office 365 subscription.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose
> 
> hello,
> Somewhat impetuously, I have offered to teach English to various people 
> around the world using WhatsApp. I have used this app for a while now, but, 
> Millie to receive messages and reply to them. I have a list of, say, eight 
> people, with their phone numbers, who wish to avail of my services. Wilde we 
> would be a group, as such, I am thinking that the calls would be on an 
> individual basis. am I right in assuming one can use WhatsApp in the same way 
> that one can use Skype? so, we can chat away as with a normal phone call? 
> would there be any point in me setting up a group? it might be easier to keep 
> tabs of the various calls and people, but not sure about that… in fact, I 
> almost wish I hadn’t volunteered, I don’t really know how to go about this. 
> can anyone give me some tips as to how to organise this via the app?
> 
> thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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four finger swipe for moving between apps?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I am using 11.02 and find I can no longer use the four finger swipe to swap 
between open apps. has this functionality gone or changed in some way? I have 
to use the app switcher instead, which is much more of a bother.

thanks, Sandy

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how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hello,
Somewhat impetuously, I have offered to teach English to various people around 
the world using WhatsApp. I have used this app for a while now, but, Millie to 
receive messages and reply to them. I have a list of, say, eight people, with 
their phone numbers, who wish to avail of my services. Wilde we would be a 
group, as such, I am thinking that the calls would be on an individual basis. 
am I right in assuming one can use WhatsApp in the same way that one can use 
Skype? so, we can chat away as with a normal phone call? would there be any 
point in me setting up a group? it might be easier to keep tabs of the various 
calls and people, but not sure about that… in fact, I almost wish I hadn’t 
volunteered, I don’t really know how to go about this. can anyone give me some 
tips as to how to organise this via the app?

thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy

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Re: color identifier

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

even though we don’t have the saying a I am here in Ireland yet, I would love 
to see an LED colour identifier and counter as part of the app.


sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 20:39, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> There are colour identifiers or maybe I should say analysers out there which 
> cost $700 or even more, but who needs one that can recognize thousands of 
> colours or provide the pantone code or whatever it is called. Even the 
> Colorino which can do 150 colours I find sometimes calls things by names I 
> find strange. For day to day use on clothing something which can describe two 
> or three colours in easy to understand terms and say if there is a pattern 
> such as checkered, vertical stripes or horizontal stripes is plenty good 
> enough and for me that is more useful.
> Maybe Microsoft is going to manage to add a colour identifier channel to 
> their Seeing AI app which is as good or better than Examine Clothes, that 
> along with a good basic light detector app and a reliable and fast money 
> reader would make this app even better than it already is.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: color identifier
>  
> I have, and love the Colortest from APH, but it is very pricy, and may do 
> more than what you need.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:08 AM
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
> Here are two options.  I think the Rainbow II is the better choice if one is 
> going with a stand-alone color identifier.
> Rainbow II, $70
> http://edmondsonengineering.com/Rainbow-II-Color-Reader.php
>  
> Colorino, $189
> http://www.braillebookstore.com/Colorino-Talking-Color-Identifier.1
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
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> John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
> Hi: what would be an example of a dedicated device for color identification?
> Thanks.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Whitehead
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 7:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
>  
>  
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/examine-clothes-color/id1074506449?mt=8
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
> Well, Chip says it’s better than the Colorino so it’s probably worth a try.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: color identifier
>  
> i'll try this one if it is free, but I have a folder full of such apps and do 
> not find any one of them nearly as reliable as a dedicated hardware color 
> identifier.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Paula Mack
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: color identifier
>  
> The app is called Selection once installed, but the actual name of the app is 
> Examine Clothes Color.
> 
> Regards,
> Paula Mack
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Chip,
> The app store link or developer name would help. Nothing useful comes up with 
> the word selection.
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What is the app store link, I assume if you search for a word like 
> "Selection" you will get a ton of results. I'd be interested in this since I 
> have not ever yet heard a good, accurate and consistent colour identifier app.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
> 
> I found one named Selection which works better than my Colorino (except that 
> you have to tape 3 or 4 times to get an opinion from it).
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Pelletier
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't waste your time.  I've tried a whole lot of them and never found one 
> that works with any accuracy.  Better count on a dedicated device.
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 

Re: color identifier

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Comparing this app with CamFind I find canfind still is better! for example, if 
there is a crease in the fabric, this app  interprets that as stripes, whereas, 
camfind does not. camfined would also describe things such as, flowers, 
butterflies, and background colour, which is very useful and much more 
descriptive. however, camfind does need to use the web, not sure about this app 
though…

Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 17:12, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> In the explanation that is read when you first open the app and which you can 
> also review with Voiceover it says that after  you tap on “Examine” you have 
> the Take Picture button at the bottom in the middle just as with the camera 
> app. It further says that there is a “Use Picture” button to the right of 
> that (at the bottom right) and a “retake” button to the left of 
> Take Picture (at the bottom left of the screen).
> The app only examines the picture and speaks the result after you tap the 
> “Use Picture” button.
> This is the same in the iDentifi app and for blind users I find it somewhat 
> superfluous. It is OK for sighted users who can see what the picture you just 
> took looks like and in case it is no good they can tap on retake, but for a 
> blind user we have to tap on Use Picture anyways in order to hear if the 
> result makes sense.
> Having said all that I have done two tests and I am very impressed with the 
> results, indeed better than what the Colorino would give since you have to 
> hold it directly against the material so it would give you only what it sees 
> in front of the dime-sized opening. You can put it in different places on the 
> shirt or whatever you are trying to identify, but it would have a difficult 
> time to say if it was two or three colours in a striped or checkered pattern.
> Here is what I showed to the Examine Clothes app:
> dark blue T-Shirt which it identified correctly as “Dark Blue, plain”.
> A short-sleeved button-up shirt. The app said “light greybackground and dark 
> grey and dull green checker”.
> The word “checker” is misspelled as “ckecker”, but apart from that the 
> colours were dead on, I asked my wife and she first said it’s a grey and 
> green checkered shirt, when I asked about light and dark grey she said yes, 
> it was mainly light grey with dark grey and green checkering.
> I think I’ll contact the developer and point out the misspelling, sounds like 
> he or she is japanese and you can tell in other areas where it is obvious the 
> dev is not a native english speaker, but also I want to say Thanks and 
> encourage them to maybe submit an update even if it just corrects some 
> spelling mistakes, the app hasn’t been updated in a year and a half which 
> means not update after iOS 10 came out.
> For now this app is definitely a keeper and the first colour identifier which 
> seems to work well although I guess it really is a clothes identifier, have 
> not tried it on let’s say a wall or other things.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
>  
> From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 8:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
> Hi
>  
> I’ve downloaded this app.
> When I click on take picture my phone doesn’t speak anything back.
> Why is it not telling me the color of my t-shire?
> It just says re-take or use photo button.
>  
> Cheers
> Martin
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paula Mack
> Sent: 15 October 2017 03:31
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: color identifier
>  
> The app is called Selection once installed, but the actual name of the app is 
> Examine Clothes Color.
> 
> Regards,
> Paula Mack
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Chip,
> The app store link or developer name would help. Nothing useful comes up with 
> the word selection.
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What is the app store link, I assume if you search for a word like 
> "Selection" you will get a ton of results. I'd be interested in this since I 
> have not ever yet heard a good, accurate and consistent colour identifier app.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
> 
> I found one named Selection which works better than my Colorino (except that 
> you have to tape 3 or 4 times to get an opinion from it).
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Pelletier
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't waste your 

Re: color identifier

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Richard,
Have you managed successfully identify the colour of LED lights? Using the 
rainbow?

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 14:08, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Here are two options.  I think the Rainbow II is the better choice if one is 
> going with a stand-alone color identifier.
> Rainbow II, $70
> http://edmondsonengineering.com/Rainbow-II-Color-Reader.php
>  
> Colorino, $189
> http://www.braillebookstore.com/Colorino-Talking-Color-Identifier.1
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
> Hi: what would be an example of a dedicated device for color identification?
> Thanks.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Whitehead
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 7:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
>  
>  
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/examine-clothes-color/id1074506449?mt=8
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
>  
> Well, Chip says it’s better than the Colorino so it’s probably worth a try.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: color identifier
>  
> i'll try this one if it is free, but I have a folder full of such apps and do 
> not find any one of them nearly as reliable as a dedicated hardware color 
> identifier.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Paula Mack
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: color identifier
>  
> The app is called Selection once installed, but the actual name of the app is 
> Examine Clothes Color.
> 
> Regards,
> Paula Mack
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Chip,
> The app store link or developer name would help. Nothing useful comes up with 
> the word selection.
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> What is the app store link, I assume if you search for a word like 
> "Selection" you will get a ton of results. I'd be interested in this since I 
> have not ever yet heard a good, accurate and consistent colour identifier app.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 11:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
> 
> I found one named Selection which works better than my Colorino (except that 
> you have to tape 3 or 4 times to get an opinion from it).
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ron Pelletier
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 11:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't waste your time.  I've tried a whole lot of them and never found one 
> that works with any accuracy.  Better count on a dedicated device.
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: colour identifier
> 
> The color identifier apps are primarily for entertainment value, and do not 
> work nearly as well as a dedicated device.
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: don bishop
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 5:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: colour identifier
> 
> Hi,
> Can someone recommend a colour identifier  app which is accessible with 
> voiceover?
> 
> Thanks,
> don
> 
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how to stop push notification in the email app?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I know this has been answered recently, but I have forgotten the answer: where 
in settings, using the latest iOS 11.0.2, can I stop push notification so that 
I only get my mail manually?

thanks, Sandy

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Re: wireless charging

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Lois,
Thank you for sending me these links. I shall take a look…
Sandy

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> On 15 Sep 2017, at 11:21, Lois Butterfield <lbutterfield...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
>  
> Here is the link to the adapter on Amazon.  It was about $13 US.
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EKAC292/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  
> The charging pad was about $11 US.  Here is the link to that.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C40OG22/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C40OG22/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>  It isn’t the fast charging one, but I don’t feel the need to pay $60 for a 
> fast charge if I’m just sitting here anyway. 
>  
> I do use bluetooth headphones because I don’t want to have to plug and unplug 
> the adapter all the time.
>  
> Take care,
> Lois
>  
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: wireless charging
>  
> Lois,
> You clever person! What is the name and make of your wireless charger adapter?
> Thanks, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:23, Lois Butterfield <lbutterfield...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Because our new car has a charging pad, I started to research charging the 
>> IPhone wirelessly.  I found that you can buy an adapter that plugs into the 
>> lightning port and sticks to the back of the phone to make your IPhone 
>> charge wirelessly.
>>  
>> I use a Lifeproof Free case, and I can fit the phone along with the adapter 
>> into the case.  I now have an IPhone that charges wirelessly.  I love it.
>>  
>> By the way, the wireless adapter costs way under $20, and you can get 
>> charging pads for just over $10.
>>  
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>>  
>> Hi Chris,
>>  
>> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology 
>> which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it 
>> exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very 
>> hard on getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t 
>> have to plug in a wire.
>> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
>> wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone 
>> charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a 
>> charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
>> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do 
>> this just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable 
>> and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as 
>> they call it then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe 
>> Airpods bringing this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all 
>> three devices by themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes 
>> by this may even include other devices which adopt the standard.
>> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi 
>> wireless charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to 
>> make it better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide 
>> variety of devices to compliment it.
>>  
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Cris Ali
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>>  
>> Hello folks,
>> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
>> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to 
>> place the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This 
>> is not remotely wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about 
>> more gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the 
>> wire, we will need to also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging 
>> to work. 
>> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would 
>> not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am 
>> not sure I would like to place my phone on a charging p

Re: wireless charging

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Lois,
You clever person! What is the name and make of your wireless charger adapter?
Thanks, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 14 Sep 2017, at 22:23, Lois Butterfield  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Because our new car has a charging pad, I started to research charging the 
> IPhone wirelessly.  I found that you can buy an adapter that plugs into the 
> lightning port and sticks to the back of the phone to make your IPhone charge 
> wirelessly.
>  
> I use a Lifeproof Free case, and I can fit the phone along with the adapter 
> into the case.  I now have an IPhone that charges wirelessly.  I love it.
>  
> By the way, the wireless adapter costs way under $20, and you can get 
> charging pads for just over $10.
>  
> Take care,
> Lois
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: How does wireless charging work and what are the benefits?
>  
> Hi Chris,
>  
> I don’t claim to understand this fully, but yes, currently the technology 
> which charges devices wirelessly from a distance does not exist. Maybe it 
> exists in labs and I can almost guaranty that Apple is probably working very 
> hard on getting this to work, but for now wireless just means that you don’t 
> have to plug in a wire.
> As for public spaces, I believe companies like Starbucks and so on have 
> wireless charging pads built into tables so you could have your phone 
> charging right next to you, obviously nobody would put their phone down on a 
> charging pad and then go away and sit down 10 or 20 feet away.
> As for charging when you travel there is nothing which prevents you to do 
> this just as you have always done it which means bring your Lightning cable 
> and plug it in. However, when Apple releases their “Airpower” charger as they 
> call it then for people who have an iPhone, an Apple Watch and maybe Airpods 
> bringing this instead makes a lot of sense since it can charge all three 
> devices by themselves or all three at once and of course as time goes by this 
> may even include other devices which adopt the standard.
> As with everything once Apple adopts something, in this case the Chi wireless 
> charging standard, they not only can pour a ton of money into it to make it 
> better but accessory makers will also scramble to bring out a wide variety of 
> devices to compliment it.
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How does wireless charging work and  what are the benefits?
>  
> Hello folks,
> When I listened to the apple keynote, I did not quite understand the 
> advantages of wireless charging.  My understanding is that one needs to place 
> the phone on a wireless charging pad or stand for it to charge. This is not 
> remotely wireless charging.  That means that we have to worry about more 
> gadgets to carry when we travel.  In addition to the adapter and the wire, we 
> will need to also carry a pad or a stand for the wireless charging to work. 
> I understood that if many public places provide wireless charging we would 
> not have to worry about carrying our charging accessories.  However, I am not 
> sure I would like to place my phone on a charging pad in a restaurant or 
> café, or in an airport terminal.  Unless the wireless charging pad is on my 
> table or on the arm of my chair, I would not use it.
> Can someone who is more familiar with this idea and process explain it better 
> to me?
> Cheers,
> Cris
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I am wondering if straps with built-in add-on batteries exist yet?
Sandy  who doesn't have an Apple Watch)

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> On 14 Sep 2017, at 18:57, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the responses. I wonder about the battery. Does the 42 mm size 
> have a bigger battery? You might suppose it would. Of course, having never 
> actually had hands on, I have no clue what 42 mm actually looks like. I have 
> used braille watches ever since I was a kid. I suppose I could get somebody 
> to measure the diameter of my brill watch to get some idea.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary and all,
>> 
>> My favorite thing about the watch is notifications going to my wrist. For 
>> instance, we were at a noisy event a year ago and were trying to meet up 
>> with friends. I was able to know when their text message came through 
>> because of the tap on my wrist; I would never have heard the chime from my 
>> phone or felt it vibrate. So the watch made the difference between finding 
>> and not finding them.
>> 
>> The fitness features are nice as well. Also, there are some useful apps. The 
>> built-in timer and alarm clock are great because with the watch muted, you 
>> can know they are going off without anyone else being disturbed. There's 
>> also a very simple app called clickr that I use for counting rows in 
>> knitting patterns; you double-tap it, and the count goes up by one.
>> 
>> I'm working on an Apple Watch book that will be published by National 
>> Braille Press in a few months. I don't know exactly when, but I would think 
>> it would come out near the beginning of next year.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m put off the cellular model because, even if my current carrier soon 
>>> offers such an add on contract, I understand that carriers are likely to 
>>> charge an extra $10 a month just for the Watch LTE on top of our current 
>>> carrier’s monthly charge for the iPhone SIM contract. As I bought my phone 
>>> outright and now pay £7.50 a month for iPhone SIM only contract in U.K. 
>>> with Giffgaff, the Watch LTE add on would more than double my monthly bill! 
>>> So I’ll get a Watch for health and fitness reasons mostly but without 
>>> cellular and simply schlep my iPhone with me wherever I go!
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing 
 it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
 considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The 
 LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, 
 and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up 
 until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am 
 interested in documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I 
 suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan 
 of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of 
 anything?
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Actually, I think this face ID and the 3-D imaging that goes with it might be 
extremely interesting. for example, sticking with the idea of faces, could I 
not get a 3-D image of a face and then get a 3-D printer to make me a copy in 
real space? I wonder if I could do the same thing with, say, a room Scape? with 
a little imagination, this functionality could be extraordinary, especially, 
for us!
Just pondering, Sandy

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> On 13 Sep 2017, at 18:11, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Mary, you have a 7 Plus, right? Unless you have more money than you can count 
> I totally agree that buying an 8, 8 Plus or iPhone X would be a waste of 
> money. If somebody has a ton of money and likes new toys I guess that’s fair 
> enough, but I think even those of us who have a 6S or 6S Plus can easily get 
> a third year out of these devices and I think as these phones mature and 
> revolutionary new features are becoming more difficult to develop more and 
> more people will keep their phone for at least 3 years, I mean who goes out 
> and buys a new $1,000 or more laptop every year or every 2 years, not that 
> many and in the tablet market Apple is already seeing this, somebody who 
> bought an iPad last year or two years ago is unlikely to buy a new one for at 
> least 3 or 4 years.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face Id accessibility explained by Jonathan Mosen
>  
> Thanks for that post. Very helpful. I'm still not going to buy this phone, 
> and I figured Applewood have some way of making it accessible, based on their 
> track record. Nice to know they seem to of done a thorough job.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> As before, I urge everybody who is curious about more information regarding 
> today’s keynote to listen to Jonathan Mosen’s Blind Side Podcast. You can 
> access it from www.mosen.org or if you Google “Blind Side Podcast” the first 
> and many subsequent search results will take you straight there. Here is what 
> Jonathan had to say about the accessibility of the Face Id feature:
>  
> http://mosen.org/face-id-accessibility-apple-offers-some-answers/
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: games to play on iPhone

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi John,
I don't really play games on my iPhone, but do  remember, when using a PC and a 
little bit of site, gone now, playing a game called monkey Island and one 
called Discworld. I loved playing those games! do you know, is there anything 
like them now available and accessible for the iPhone?

thanks for any info, Sandy

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> On 11 Sep 2017, at 09:49, 'John' via VIPhone  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Thank you for playing Talking Stones on Android I am currently developing a 
> new game for IOS and will take another look at converting Talking Stones for 
> IOS after the launch of the new game.
> I have already got Super Tile Smash out for IOS which is a similar tile based 
> game it is fully Voiceover compatible and has lots of options to customize 
> the game and gameplay.
> The link is below.
> 
> John from Woodside Apps. - Accessible Apps and games for mobile devices.
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/woodside_apps
> 
> Our new game Super Tile Smash
> Now available on the App Store!
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/super-tile-smash/id1196714817?mt=8=uo%3D4
> Android FREE version
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.free
> Android PRO version
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=wa.supertilesmash.pro
> 
>> On 03/09/2017 08:39, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I know we likely discuss a lot of this on here. But I figured it
>> wouldn't hurt to ask. I mean, you get others opinions, and what not.
>> 
>> 
>> First of all, when I was using Android, there was this game called,
>> Talking Stones. I believe it was made by Woodside Apps. But this could
>> be wrong.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what kind of game I am talking about?
>> 
>> 
>> Also, I think I might be interested in the Blindfold games. But I wish
>> voiceover didn't have to be turned off, in order for it to work.
>> 
>> 
>> So I like games such as Talking Stones, I have Dice World. I am willing
>> to try the Blindfold games.
>> 
>> I like that game that was called Word Association II, or something like
>> that.
>> 
>> I'd like some different card games.
>> 
>> Maybe some games where you have to build things, to get what you want?
>> 
>> Or something where you had to line up stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> Does this make sense to any of you. If so, can some of you please help
>> me out.
>> 
>> I will say that I don't care for text adventure games.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
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Re: best app?

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how about telling Siri to take a note?
Sandy

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> On 8 Aug 2017, at 14:48, Wendy Alling  wrote:
> 
> Hi, would the notes app work for you? This might be an option.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Louise Peyton  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps it’s my error in not making my question a bit clearer.  I’m 
>> referring to a recording app where you can record anything from someone’s 
>> name and address to a grocery list.  When recording, this is not for 
>> contacts but jotted notes for information that can be referred back to. 
>> Louise Peyton
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Doc wright
>> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 8:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best app?
>>  
>> What problem are you having with the native contact app on your phone?
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Louise Peyton
>> Sent: August 7, 2017 2:08 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: best app?
>>  
>> Hello, all:
>> When recording information such as phone numbers and addresses, what is the 
>> best app to use?  Thanks in advance.
>> Louise Peyton
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Re: What Color Identification Apps Are There for IOS10?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Me, Nag? never! I only prod with one of my bony digits…
spindly, Sandy

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> On 8 Aug 2017, at 14:02, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> So, Sandy, not only are you a voyeur, but a masochist too, grin.
> Sorry about not doing the Rainbow II podcast.  I've been rather busy at work 
> and honestly just forgot.
> Also, and this is where my Father's favorite saying comes in, "A poor excuse 
> is better than none,"  I don't have much items with LED indicators to do a 
> good sampling.
> 
> Now that you have reminded me, I will ask around at work and see what I can 
> come up with.
> 
> Feel free to nag me again in a couple of weeks.
> 
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What Color Identification Apps Are There for IOS10?
> 
> Richard,
> Quite a long time ago, you offered to do a podcast demonstrating the rainbow 
> two. especially with regard to its recognising the colour and or number of 
> LEDs. now, I heard your wonderful podcast the other day on the C a I app. I 
> hope I am remembering the topic right. anyway, now it is time to step up to 
> the mark and do the same for the rainbow too. we don't have it over here, in 
> Ireland, so yet another thing to be jealous self! please please make me go 
> even greener, and put the rainbow to through its paces in the podcast!
> 
> from the Emerald Isle, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 12:49, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> TapTapSee does as good a job as any of them.
>> Plus, it tries to say what the pattern is.
>> Another one to look at I think is called inspector. But, color 
>> identification with the iPhone camera is a good guess at best since it 
>> depends a lot on lighting and won't likely be as good as a stand-alone 
>> device for color identification like the Rainbow II.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:09 AM, Dani Pagador <axs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> I was using the SayColor app with my iPodTouch and IOS9. I'm
>>> graduating slowly to an iPhone SE and IOS10-something-or-other, and
>>> find that SayColor doesn't work with this new-to-me iOS. What are
>>> y'all using for color identification?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dani
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Re: What Color Identification Apps Are There for IOS10?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Quite a long time ago, you offered to do a podcast demonstrating the rainbow 
two. especially with regard to its recognising the colour and or number of 
LEDs. now, I heard your wonderful podcast the other day on the C a I app. I 
hope I am remembering the topic right. anyway, now it is time to step up to the 
mark and do the same for the rainbow too. we don't have it over here, in 
Ireland, so yet another thing to be jealous self! please please make me go even 
greener, and put the rainbow to through its paces in the podcast!

from the Emerald Isle, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 7 Aug 2017, at 12:49, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> TapTapSee does as good a job as any of them.
> Plus, it tries to say what the pattern is.
> Another one to look at I think is called inspector. But, color identification 
> with the iPhone camera is a good guess at best since it depends a lot on 
> lighting and won't likely be as good as a stand-alone device for color 
> identification like the Rainbow II.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:09 AM, Dani Pagador  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> I was using the SayColor app with my iPodTouch and IOS9. I'm
>> graduating slowly to an iPhone SE and IOS10-something-or-other, and
>> find that SayColor doesn't work with this new-to-me iOS. What are
>> y'all using for color identification?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Dani
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Re: How do you cloase all the pages in Safari

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hi,
I have an iPhone 6, so, no 3D Touch. however, and I just tried this, if you get 
the focus on the page tab and double tap and hold, The same options, including 
one to close all and then it gives the number of open pages.

I bet there's loads of functionality I never knew existed because I never 
thought to find it!
Sandy

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> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:27, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If your phone has 3D Touch, press and hold the Pages button. One of the 
> options on the screen that opens is "Close # tabs," where # is however many 
> are open. Double-tap, and all the pages close at once.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:34 PM, Gadget Girl  wrote:
>> 
>> To close your open tabs in Safari, go to the Pages tab in the lower 
>> right-hand corner.  Do a single finger double tap to open the tab.  Once 
>> opened, swipe up on an opened page with one finger.  VoiceOver Will say, 
>> "close Tab".  Do a single finger double tap to close the tab.  Keep double 
>> tapping on tabs after that to close the remaining tabs. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gadget Girl
>> Sent from my Apple gadget and dictated using Siri.
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Group,
>>> When you have Safari open and go down to the bottom right side there is a 
>>> pages button. When you click on that there is all kinds of pages open. How 
>>> do you get rid of all those pages. They are web sites that I have gone to. 
>>> Any help on this would be appreciated. Also what is this page button for?
>>> Mr. Ed
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Re: Searching for Text

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

One way might be two finger triple tap which opens up the item chooser and the 
first thing there is a search field. You use the scrub gesture to get out of it.
Sandy

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> On 5 Aug 2017, at 13:18, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
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>  Does anyone know if it is possible to search for text on a website or any 
> document with voiceover without a braille display?
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Re: looking for input on any of the amazon devices

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hi,
I have a couple of the DOTS, but would like to know more about the show. can 
anyone explain how it works and what it does and if it is potentially useful, 
tickly, with low or no vision in mind?

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> On 5 Aug 2017, at 13:06, Jed Barton  wrote:
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> Awesome.  So what do i need to download on the iphone side?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Merv Keck  wrote:
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>> All of the Amazon devices are accessible if you are referring to the Show, 
>> Dot, Tap, or Echo.
>> There are currently over 15,000 skills available and more being added each 
>> day.
>> Merv
>> 
>> -
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>> For all things Echo:
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>> -Original Message-
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>> Barton
>> Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 12:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: looking for input on any of the amazon devices
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I thought this might be a good place to post this.  I'm thinking of getting 
>> 1 of those cool amazon devices, i think she calls herself Alexa.  I'm 
>> looking for input on accessibility, functionality and all that?  I heard 
>> some of them work with your iphone.  Anyone have any suggestions? I'm still 
>> trying to figure out what exactly these devices do and what the purpose of 
>> them is.  Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jed
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Re: Anyone tried the Envision Eli QR label reading system?

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hi Robin,
I do use the pen friend, and the sort of things it's useful for, which would 
also apply to this app plus Q are codes, would be to label, for example, 
containers in your freezer with information about what they contain. I also use 
a lot of spices in my kitchen, I decant them into little jars, so I labelled 
them and can easily find out which is which. The advantage is that you can feel 
the label unlike a barcode.
hope this helps, Sandy

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> On 31 Jul 2017, at 02:00, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
> I just finished an article in Dialogue magazine about an app called Envision 
> Eli for iOS and Android.  The app is free and the user purchases 100 QR 
> labels for $20 to record personal label tags.  Sounds much like a phone based 
> version of the Pen Friend.  I'm curious if anyone has tried this?  I recall 
> totally wanting a Pen Friend when I first heard about it years ago, but was 
> staved off by the cost.  This app sounds like a great option, but I'm kind of 
> curious to hear if anyone else has tried it or thinks something different is 
> a better options.
> 
> As a follow on question, I'm trying to think how I would use it.  It seems 
> I've heard of other apps that can read bar codes now, so I would imagine 
> reserving these QR labels for things that either don't have bar codes on them 
> or for  which I want to include a longer message - say cooking instructions.
> 
> Thoughts?
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Re: Accessible Voice recorder editing.

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I think audio memos can do this.

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> On 29 Jul 2017, at 21:48, Jim Noseworthy  
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> Hi Gang:
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> I am looking for a recording app that will permit one to append audio data to 
> an existing file. Any ideas?
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> Thanks all over the place gang.
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Re: Seeing AI on The Blind Side

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Jonathan,
Thank you! That was a really informative interview. I am so jealous of you all 
having this app, being in Ireland, but he did sound helpful for other countries 
to be joining you soon! One possible application for the facial recognition 
channel would be, say, in the case of attending a conference or a lecture, if 
people uploaded their own pictures and details to, for example, Facebook page, 
or a special dedicated attendees website, and we could then download those 
images/details, we could use our phones to look around the room and see who was 
where!

there was mention, at the beginning of the interview, of the use of smart 
glasses: I wonder if, even right now, we could Bluetooth some smart glasses to 
our phones and link it to the app? in this way, freeing up our hands and 
pointing, intuitively, with our faces.

just dreaming… Sandy

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> On 26 Jul 2017, at 22:56, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> Hi everyone, since there’s been so much discussion here about Microsoft’s 
> amazing Seeing AI app, just letting you know that I interviewed the person 
> who came up with the idea and supervised its development at Microsoft on the 
> current episode of Mosen Consulting’s podcast, The Blind Side. Of course The 
> Blind Side is available on all the podcast apps and directories.
>  
>  
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Re: seeing AI surprise

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hi,
Being outside, on the other side of the glass, in the rain, watching you all 
having a great time with this app, could you tell me, just to make me feel 
worse, does every channel use the Internet or do some work with in The phone 
itself? I have very slow broadband here, so, I'm wondering, if it ever came to 
Ireland, how well it would work for me.

from an envious voyeur, Sandy

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> On 23 Jul 2017, at 12:59, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:
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> I used short text
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: July 23, 2017 04:26 AM
> Subject: Re: seeing AI surprise
> 
> What channel were you using?
> 
> Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!
> 
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 4:03 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
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>> I tested it at the bowling alley and it was able to read the score board. 
>> Now its figuring out how to pin point it  so I know what I am hearing.
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free apps from other countries Apple Stores

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I am getting so impatient waiting for the Microsoft seeing AI app, living in 
Ireland, as I do. I know I can set up a separate Apple ID et cetera and go to 
the US store, but is there any way around all this? after all, it is a free 
app! I want to avoid having to set up with payment cards and addresses that I 
don't have et cetera. does anyone have a quick and easy solution for me?

thanks for any inspiration, Sandy

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Re: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external scanner?

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hi,
The jury is out with regard to screen curtain and battery saving. The official 
position is: it doesn't save battery. my observation is: it probably does 
because when screen curtain is off and brightness is up the phone gets hotter! 
as heat is an expression of energy, this, probably, means that the phone is 
using more battery life. however, turning the brightness down as far as you  
comfortably can, definitely does save battery. these days, now that I can't see 
the screen at all, I have the brightness down to 0 and don't bother with the 
screen curtain.

just my thoughts, Sandy

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> On 18 Jul 2017, at 09:59, Shaf Patel <shafpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't Screen Curtain being turned on save battery, regardless of what the 
> brightness level is set to?
> 
>> On 7/18/2017 4:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>> just add to what Richard said, remember to up your brightness if, like me, 
>> you keep it at zero for battery saving reasons.
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 18 Jul 2017, at 02:50, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Make sure the screen curtain is turned off.
>>> Then, do a screen shot with the home and power buttons pressed together.
>>> Then, share that screen shot with an app like KNFB Reader, Seeing AI, 
>>> Prizmo Go, and they should be able to get some of the text.
>>> The issue you will have is how clear and crisp the text is.
>>> Digital newspapers are not known for being terribly clear.
>>>  
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Flor Lynch
>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:36 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external 
>>> scanner?
>>>  
>>> With VoiceOver off, sighties can zoom in and enlarge or decrease the text 
>>> size. With VO on, this option apparently disappears.
>>>  
>>> I tried scanning such a screen on my PC, and got a blank page. Speak Screen 
>>> doesn’t work either, either with or without VoiceOver on. (Siri says, 
>>> “sorry, there is nothing to read here”. Well there is, Siri girl.
>>>  
>>> From: Flor Lynch
>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:40 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external scanner?
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Has anyone ever tried doing OCR from an external scanner where text of an 
>>> article onscreen on the iPhone (or iDevice) cannot  
>>>  be read by VoiceOver. I’m thinking of digital newspaper text on the 
>>> iPhone screen that is not/cannot be read by VoiceOver. Would scanning it on 
>>> a CanoScan scanner – used by Kurzweil 1000 attached to a PC - potentially 
>>> do any damage to an iPhone screen? (Of course, would or could one get any 
>>> satisfactory results thereby?) My newspaper app can’t be transferred 
>>> between devices, and I can’t export stuff from it to DropBox – there being 
>>> no facility provided for it (and/or  I can’t read it. The search boxes read 
>>> fine, and do the page numbers. If I type text into the search box, I’ll get 
>>> results back, which are read by VoiceOver. But that is of course a very 
>>> tedious way to have to get through an article or articles.
>>>  
>>> Thoughts on this proposition?
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
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Re: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external scanner?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

just add to what Richard said, remember to up your brightness if, like me, you 
keep it at zero for battery saving reasons.

Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 18 Jul 2017, at 02:50, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Make sure the screen curtain is turned off.
> Then, do a screen shot with the home and power buttons pressed together.
> Then, share that screen shot with an app like KNFB Reader, Seeing AI, Prizmo 
> Go, and they should be able to get some of the text.
> The issue you will have is how clear and crisp the text is.
> Digital newspapers are not known for being terribly clear.
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Flor Lynch
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external 
> scanner?
>  
> With VoiceOver off, sighties can zoom in and enlarge or decrease the text 
> size. With VO on, this option apparently disappears.
>  
> I tried scanning such a screen on my PC, and got a blank page. Speak Screen 
> doesn’t work either, either with or without VoiceOver on. (Siri says, “sorry, 
> there is nothing to read here”. Well there is, Siri girl.
>  
> From: Flor Lynch
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external scanner?
> Hi,
>  
> Has anyone ever tried doing OCR from an external scanner where text of an 
> article onscreen on the iPhone (or iDevice) cannot be read by VoiceOver. I’m 
> thinking of digital newspaper text on the iPhone screen that is not/cannot be 
> read by VoiceOver. Would scanning it on a CanoScan scanner – used by Kurzweil 
> 1000 attached to a PC - potentially do any damage to an iPhone screen? (Of 
> course, would or could one get any satisfactory results thereby?) My 
> newspaper app can’t be transferred between devices, and I can’t export stuff 
> from it to DropBox – there being no facility provided for it (and/or  I can’t 
> read it. The search boxes read fine, and do the page numbers. If I type text 
> into the search box, I’ll get results back, which are read by VoiceOver. But 
> that is of course a very tedious way to have to get through an article or 
> articles.
>  
> Thoughts on this proposition?
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: Scanning and OCR of text on iPhone screen with an external scanner?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

flor,
Do you have any OC our apps on your phone? four example, I know that you could 
get the KNFB reader to recognise your text for you from a screenshot.

just an idea, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:40, Flor Lynch  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Has anyone ever tried doing OCR from an external scanner where text of an 
> article onscreen on the iPhone (or iDevice) cannot be read by VoiceOver. I’m 
> thinking of digital newspaper text on the iPhone screen that is not/cannot be 
> read by VoiceOver. Would scanning it on a CanoScan scanner – used by Kurzweil 
> 1000 attached to a PC - potentially do any damage to an iPhone screen? (Of 
> course, would or could one get any satisfactory results thereby?) My 
> newspaper app can’t be transferred between devices, and I can’t export stuff 
> from it to DropBox – there being no facility provided for it (and/or  I can’t 
> read it. The search boxes read fine, and do the page numbers. If I type text 
> into the search box, I’ll get results back, which are read by VoiceOver. But 
> that is of course a very tedious way to have to get through an article or 
> articles.
>  
> Thoughts on this proposition?
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

True Richard,
but think of this, we are not the only ones to find digitising text useful. so, 
I suspect, even if it doesn't come out with this iOS, it may follow in fairly 
rapid succession! also, and perhaps I am misunderstanding this, think of the 
size of the screen of your phone: The image of, say, an A4 or foolscap piece of 
paper, would be quite small. people would find it very difficult to write a 
signature in the appropriate space on such a small image. nevertheless, mention 
of the ability to add a signature is there. so, there must be a way to 
transpose a signature from the screen which can be placed at the right size and 
in the right place onto the image.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Jul 2017, at 13:43, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would not get too excited about this feature until we hear if this will be 
> at all VoiceOver accessible.
> There is no mention of OCR at this point, just capturing images.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Mike Ulrich <mulr...@centurylink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Now that does sound pretty cool!
>> Here's hopeing 11.0 will indeed do that!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET
>> 
>> it's very loose thinking at this point, but let's say I have a document that 
>> I need to sign: perhaps, it will be possible to write your signature with 
>> your finger on your phone screen and have it placed in the document. placed 
>> in the correct position, that is. then I could either print it out and 
>> submit it or send it electronically. conversely, perhaps we will be able to 
>> import into the Notes app from, say, an email attachment, and be able to 
>> sign it just by writing on the screen.
>> 
>> I have experienced being on my own and needing to get a document signed 
>> quickly and have had, unfortunately, to search around my friends to find 
>> someone who had time to come over and help me sign it. I am hoping that this 
>> new functionality might help me out in this respect. Plus, I like my privacy!
>> 
>> just being hopeful, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 11 Jul 2017, at 10:49, Mike Ulrich <mulr...@centurylink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I see where you're going with this, but could you elaborate a bit?
>>> Signature; as in using for what?
>>> Thanks and much appreciated!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:07 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - 
>>> CNET
>>> 
>>> it sounds as though we may be able to input a signature and have it placed 
>>> on the document. If it is like this, it could be immensely useful!
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>>> On 11 Jul 2017, at 07:06, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> CNET News - Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:48 AM
>>>> 
>>>> How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET
>>>> 
>>>> Apple has a habit of building features into iOS that eliminate the 
>>>> need to install third-party apps for some users. For instance, with 
>>>> the release of iOS 11, Apple is adding a document scanner, along with 
>>>> the ability sign, share and save a scanned doc to your device.
>>>> Instead of launching the feature in a standalone app, Apple built it 
>>>> into the Notes app. Here's what you need to know:
>>>> Scan a document
>>>> Place the document(s) on a flat surface, in a well-lit area. Open the 
>>>> Notes app, create a new note (or add the scans to a related Note, if you 
>>>> want).
>>>> Tap the "+" symbol at the bottom of the screen then select Scan Document.
>>>> A camera-like screen will show up, with a yellow box scanning and 
>>>> looking for a document. It's best if you try to hold your iOS device 
>>>> directly above the document, but it's not necessary. Apple designed 
>>>> its document scanner to work from various angles.
>>>> Once the app recognizes a document it will automatically capture a 
>>>> scan - you don't have to do anything

Re: How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

it's very loose thinking at this point, but let's say I have a document that I 
need to sign: perhaps, it will be possible to write your signature with your 
finger on your phone screen and have it placed in the document. placed in the 
correct position, that is. then I could either print it out and submit it or 
send it electronically. conversely, perhaps we will be able to import into the 
Notes app from, say, an email attachment, and be able to sign it just by 
writing on the screen.

I have experienced being on my own and needing to get a document signed quickly 
and have had, unfortunately, to search around my friends to find someone who 
had time to come over and help me sign it. I am hoping that this new 
functionality might help me out in this respect. Plus, I like my privacy!

just being hopeful, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Jul 2017, at 10:49, Mike Ulrich <mulr...@centurylink.net> wrote:
> 
> I think I see where you're going with this, but could you elaborate a bit?
> Signature; as in using for what?
> Thanks and much appreciated!
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET
> 
> it sounds as though we may be able to input a signature and have it placed on 
> the document. If it is like this, it could be immensely useful!
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 11 Jul 2017, at 07:06, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> CNET News - Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:48 AM
>> 
>> How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET
>> 
>> Apple has a habit of building features into iOS that eliminate the 
>> need to install third-party apps for some users. For instance, with 
>> the release of iOS 11, Apple is adding a document scanner, along with 
>> the ability sign, share and save a scanned doc to your device.
>> Instead of launching the feature in a standalone app, Apple built it 
>> into the Notes app. Here's what you need to know:
>> Scan a document
>> Place the document(s) on a flat surface, in a well-lit area. Open the 
>> Notes app, create a new note (or add the scans to a related Note, if you 
>> want).
>> Tap the "+" symbol at the bottom of the screen then select Scan Document.
>> A camera-like screen will show up, with a yellow box scanning and 
>> looking for a document. It's best if you try to hold your iOS device 
>> directly above the document, but it's not necessary. Apple designed 
>> its document scanner to work from various angles.
>> Once the app recognizes a document it will automatically capture a 
>> scan - you don't have to do anything other than wait. However, there 
>> is a button to manually capture an image if it's struggling to find the 
>> document.
>> A small thumbnail of each page will be shown in the bottom-left 
>> corner, and the scanner will remain open to continue scanning multiple 
>> pages. When you're done, tap Save.
>> Adjust the scan
>> There will be times when the Notes app can't quite make out the exact 
>> corners of a document, so it will capture a scan but ask you to adjust 
>> the corners. Drag each magnifying glass corner to the proper spot and 
>> then tap Save.
>> A helpful tip for using the adjustment tool is to not place your 
>> finger too close to the corner. If you're in the general area, you can 
>> drag and adjust as needed. Otherwise, you cover the magnifying glass 
>> and can't see your adjustments.
>> Then what?
>> Adjust the color scheme of a scanned document, sign, highlight 
>> sections, share or save the document using the iOS 11 share sheet.
>> Select the Markup as PDF option to covert the scan to a PDF, draw on 
>> it using your finger on an iPhone or iPad, or use the Apple Pencil to 
>> mark it up on an iPad Pro.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.cnet.com/news/how-to-use-ios-11s-notes-app-as-a-document-s
>> canner
>> /#ftag=CAD590a51e
>> 
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Re: Another question about gps apps

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I think you are confusing Ariadne in the Minotaurs Labyrinth with Hansel and 
Gretel.

The problem with breadcrumbs is birds tend to eat them!
Best wishes, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Jul 2017, at 07:20, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> On the outward trip, you make way-points at key locations as you go,  then to 
> return, you go back from point to point in the reverse 
> order you made them.
> 
> I believe there is an old legend about a hero searching out the beast in a 
> maze, and did use bread crumbs to mark his way out again.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Judy Pryor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Another question about gps apps
> 
> 
> What is breadcrumb navigation.
> Jud
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Jul 2017, at 19:02, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 1:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Another question about gps apps
>> 
>> The app is called My Way Lite from the Swiss Federation of the blind.
>> It provides breadcrumb  navigation and directs the blind end user
>> through a path not a particular endpoint.  it is free.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>>> On 7/9/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
>>> I really like Near-by Explorer, but I don’t think it would be all that
>>> helpful in traversing a specific route which isn’t based on named roads
>>> (that is, I don’t think it can record “routes”).  Just like Blind Square, it
>>> could only record the end of the route and aim you at it.  Either of these
>>> could also allow you to record way points along your route, but you would
>>> have to remember to switch to the correct  next waypoint each time you
>>> arrived at one.  I believe Near-by Explorer is better at getting you to a
>>> point in that it allows you to use your phone as a “pointer”, and it will
>>> indicate to you when you have the end of your phone pointed directly at the
>>> desired point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think Seeing Eye can record a route of waypoints  however.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hth,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chip
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Robert Doc Wright
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 2:30 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Another question about gps apps
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To help her out she and her husband are moving to a new complex and are
>>> hoping to create a POI at the mailbox then set a gps app to plan a route to
>>> that poi.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> 
>>> From: Richard Turner 
>>> 
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 1:38 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Another question about gps apps
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Blind Square is not strictly speaking a GPS app. It does not do turn-by-turn
>>> directions.
>>> 
>>> But, once you find the point of interest you want, Blind Square can launch
>>> Google maps, Apple Maps, or several paid GPS apps.
>>> 
>>> If all you want is the turn-by-turn directions, Google Maps does a fine
>>> job.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Lelia  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, so here is a question, I know with google maps you can get
>>> directions say from your place to a store or something like that.  Can you
>>> do the same with a GPS app like blindsquare? Say can you get directions from
>>> my house to a point of interest? Is there a GPS app that can do something
>>> like that?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any tips you can give.
>>> 
>>> Lelia
>>> 
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Re: How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

it sounds as though we may be able to input a signature and have it placed on 
the document. If it is like this, it could be immensely useful!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Jul 2017, at 07:06, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET News - Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:48 AM
> 
> How to use iOS 11's Notes app as a document scanner - CNET
> 
> Apple has a habit of building features into iOS that eliminate the need to
> install third-party apps for some users. For instance, with the release of
> iOS 11, Apple is adding a document scanner, along with the ability sign,
> share and save a scanned doc to your device.
> Instead of launching the feature in a standalone app, Apple built it into
> the Notes app. Here's what you need to know:
> Scan a document
> Place the document(s) on a flat surface, in a well-lit area. Open the Notes
> app, create a new note (or add the scans to a related Note, if you want).
> Tap the "+" symbol at the bottom of the screen then select Scan Document.
> A camera-like screen will show up, with a yellow box scanning and looking
> for a document. It's best if you try to hold your iOS device directly above
> the document, but it's not necessary. Apple designed its document scanner to
> work from various angles.
> Once the app recognizes a document it will automatically capture a scan -
> you don't have to do anything other than wait. However, there is a button to
> manually capture an image if it's struggling to find the document.
> A small thumbnail of each page will be shown in the bottom-left corner, and
> the scanner will remain open to continue scanning multiple pages. When
> you're done, tap Save.
> Adjust the scan
> There will be times when the Notes app can't quite make out the exact
> corners of a document, so it will capture a scan but ask you to adjust the
> corners. Drag each magnifying glass corner to the proper spot and then tap
> Save.
> A helpful tip for using the adjustment tool is to not place your finger too
> close to the corner. If you're in the general area, you can drag and adjust
> as needed. Otherwise, you cover the magnifying glass and can't see your
> adjustments.
> Then what?
> Adjust the color scheme of a scanned document, sign, highlight sections,
> share or save the document using the iOS 11 share sheet.
> Select the Markup as PDF option to covert the scan to a PDF, draw on it
> using your finger on an iPhone or iPad, or use the Apple Pencil to mark it
> up on an iPad Pro.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/how-to-use-ios-11s-notes-app-as-a-document-scanner
> /#ftag=CAD590a51e
> 
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Re: Another question about gps apps

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

i'm just wondering, might a Bluetooth beacon be more accurate and more useful 
in this context?
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 9 Jul 2017, at 17:07, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Presuming the route from their apartment to the mailbox is outside, 
> BlindSquare could mark the mailbox as a place, then give information about 
> distance and direction if that was tracking was turned on.  It would say 
> things like, Mailbox 800 feet at 10 o’clock.
> Seeing Eye GPS recently added waypoints.  I have not tried them, but I gather 
> if you walk a route it will mark your turns and you could make the mailbox a 
> favorite.
>  
> I cannot remember the name of the app that is primarily designed to track the 
> path you walk and allow you to retrace it.  Is it MyWay classic?
>  
> There are probably others.
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 11:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another question about gps apps
>  
> To help her out she and her husband are moving to a new complex and are 
> hoping to create a POI at the mailbox then set a gps app to plan a route to 
> that poi.
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Another question about gps apps
>  
>  
> Blind Square is not strictly speaking a GPS app. It does not do turn-by-turn 
> directions.
> But, once you find the point of interest you want, Blind Square can launch 
> Google maps, Apple Maps, or several paid GPS apps.
> If all you want is the turn-by-turn directions, Google Maps does a fine job.
> Richard
>  
> 
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Lelia  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, so here is a question, I know with google maps you can get directions 
> say from your place to a store or something like that.  Can you do the same 
> with a GPS app like blindsquare? Say can you get directions from my house to 
> a point of interest? Is there a GPS app that can do something like that?
> Thanks for any tips you can give.
> Lelia
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Re: which GPS app should i buy?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

in danger of drifting off topic, but have you found any apps to use with your 
galaxy and Galileo?

I just want to know about this accuracy business!
Thanks, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 6 Jul 2017, at 10:37, Andrea Roveretto <and...@andrearoveretto.it> wrote:
> 
> the galaxy s8 sold in the u.s. surely has galileo compatibility
> 
> I am not sure about the version sold in europe because I don't find good info 
> about that version, wich I have in my possession :)
> 
> 
> 
> Il 06/07/2017 11:17, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone ha scritto:
>> hi Andreya,
>> While you are correct, from everything I have read, the accuracy is still 
>> much greater than the other alternatives. I mean, as we speak, now!
>> 
>> I believe it runs on the Sanson galaxy, but I'm open to correction here, 
>> there might not even be such a thing as a Sampson galaxy, I don't know. 
>> however, this might be the very thing that will push me onto the android 
>> platform.
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 6 Jul 2017, at 09:51, Andrea Roveretto <and...@andrearoveretto.it> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyway the galileo system is not  completely working yet... it will be in 
>>> 2020 or 2021, when all the satellites will be active.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Il 06/07/2017 10:31, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone ha scritto:
>>>> ahh ha, but if Galileo lives up to its claims, we should get enough 
>>>> position to actually take us to a given door! this all comes down to 
>>>> clocks on satellites and our access to decimal points. Galileo gives us 
>>>> access to many more decimal points, thus, we can expect much much greater 
>>>> accuracy from it. what's more, Galileo is up and running and has been 
>>>> since January. it has, already, greatly improved search and rescue 
>>>> response times. Galileo is the only non-military GPS system, at the 
>>>> moment. for this reason, restrictions of accuracy do not apply. so, if 
>>>> anyone can find out more, particularly as to which devices can use it, do 
>>>> please let us know!
>>>> 
>>>> from Sandy, who needs all the help she can get!
>>>> 
>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Jul 2017, at 15:04, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No GPS is accurate enough to tell you exactly where the door is located.
>>>>> That is where your cane skills come in, not to mention the willingness to 
>>>>> ask passers-by.
>>>>> Or, open the door you find and ask if it is the correct location.
>>>>> GPS is to supplement good travel skills, no one should depend on it 
>>>>> entirely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Husna Begum
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:07 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>>>>> 
>>>>> which one tells you where the door is then, you really need to know that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Husna
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Wayne Merritt
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:44 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would second, or third, the votes for BlindSquare. Though it is not
>>>>> specifically an app to give direction from Point A to Point B, you can
>>>>> use BlindSquare to get information about your environment, in
>>>>> conjunction with Apple/Google Maps to get directions, or to look up
>>>>> other information like menus from many restaurants. Also, it is
>>>>> updated fairly often with fixes and new features. I recall seeing in
>>>>> the last update that their Open Street Map data was updated, whatever
>>>>> that means. If you want something more "blindness specific" which will
>>>>> tell you exactly where the door of a business is locate relative to
>>>>> you, then go for one of the other more expensive apps. BlindSquare
>>>>> works for me and suits my purposes.
>>>>> 
>>>&

Re: which GPS app should i buy?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Andreya,
While you are correct, from everything I have read, the accuracy is still much 
greater than the other alternatives. I mean, as we speak, now!

I believe it runs on the Sanson galaxy, but I'm open to correction here, there 
might not even be such a thing as a Sampson galaxy, I don't know. however, this 
might be the very thing that will push me onto the android platform.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 6 Jul 2017, at 09:51, Andrea Roveretto <and...@andrearoveretto.it> wrote:
> 
> Anyway the galileo system is not  completely working yet... it will be in 
> 2020 or 2021, when all the satellites will be active.
> 
> 
> 
> Il 06/07/2017 10:31, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone ha scritto:
>> ahh ha, but if Galileo lives up to its claims, we should get enough position 
>> to actually take us to a given door! this all comes down to clocks on 
>> satellites and our access to decimal points. Galileo gives us access to many 
>> more decimal points, thus, we can expect much much greater accuracy from it. 
>> what's more, Galileo is up and running and has been since January. it has, 
>> already, greatly improved search and rescue response times. Galileo is the 
>> only non-military GPS system, at the moment. for this reason, restrictions 
>> of accuracy do not apply. so, if anyone can find out more, particularly as 
>> to which devices can use it, do please let us know!
>> 
>> from Sandy, who needs all the help she can get!
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 5 Jul 2017, at 15:04, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No GPS is accurate enough to tell you exactly where the door is located.
>>> That is where your cane skills come in, not to mention the willingness to 
>>> ask passers-by.
>>> Or, open the door you find and ask if it is the correct location.
>>> GPS is to supplement good travel skills, no one should depend on it 
>>> entirely.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Husna Begum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:07 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>>> 
>>> which one tells you where the door is then, you really need to know that.
>>> 
>>> Husna
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Wayne Merritt
>>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>>> 
>>> I would second, or third, the votes for BlindSquare. Though it is not
>>> specifically an app to give direction from Point A to Point B, you can
>>> use BlindSquare to get information about your environment, in
>>> conjunction with Apple/Google Maps to get directions, or to look up
>>> other information like menus from many restaurants. Also, it is
>>> updated fairly often with fixes and new features. I recall seeing in
>>> the last update that their Open Street Map data was updated, whatever
>>> that means. If you want something more "blindness specific" which will
>>> tell you exactly where the door of a business is locate relative to
>>> you, then go for one of the other more expensive apps. BlindSquare
>>> works for me and suits my purposes.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>>> On 6/18/17, Jim Noseworthy <jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com> wrote:
>>>> Kelly:
>>>> 
>>>> Good points.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Kelly Pierce
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>>>> 
>>>> Another consideration is where in the world you are located.  You do not
>>>> say
>>>> and this is an important consideration for anyone asking for app
>>>> recommendations. Nearby Explorer is only currently available in North
>>>> America while the other two have maps for other parts of the world.  Also,
>>>> you do not say if you need the app in a language other than English.
>>>> Nearby
>>>> explorer supports only English while Blind Square supports more than 20
>>>> languages.  English though is an internationa

Re: which GPS app should i buy?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

ahh ha, but if Galileo lives up to its claims, we should get enough position to 
actually take us to a given door! this all comes down to clocks on satellites 
and our access to decimal points. Galileo gives us access to many more decimal 
points, thus, we can expect much much greater accuracy from it. what's more, 
Galileo is up and running and has been since January. it has, already, greatly 
improved search and rescue response times. Galileo is the only non-military GPS 
system, at the moment. for this reason, restrictions of accuracy do not apply. 
so, if anyone can find out more, particularly as to which devices can use it, 
do please let us know!

from Sandy, who needs all the help she can get!

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 5 Jul 2017, at 15:04, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> No GPS is accurate enough to tell you exactly where the door is located.  
> That is where your cane skills come in, not to mention the willingness to ask 
> passers-by.
> Or, open the door you find and ask if it is the correct location.
> GPS is to supplement good travel skills, no one should depend on it entirely.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Husna Begum
> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
> 
> which one tells you where the door is then, you really need to know that.
> 
> Husna
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
> 
> I would second, or third, the votes for BlindSquare. Though it is not
> specifically an app to give direction from Point A to Point B, you can
> use BlindSquare to get information about your environment, in
> conjunction with Apple/Google Maps to get directions, or to look up
> other information like menus from many restaurants. Also, it is
> updated fairly often with fixes and new features. I recall seeing in
> the last update that their Open Street Map data was updated, whatever
> that means. If you want something more "blindness specific" which will
> tell you exactly where the door of a business is locate relative to
> you, then go for one of the other more expensive apps. BlindSquare
> works for me and suits my purposes.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 6/18/17, Jim Noseworthy  wrote:
>> Kelly:
>> 
>> Good points.
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: which GPS app should i buy?
>> 
>> Another consideration is where in the world you are located.  You do not 
>> say
>> and this is an important consideration for anyone asking for app
>> recommendations. Nearby Explorer is only currently available in North
>> America while the other two have maps for other parts of the world.  Also,
>> you do not say if you need the app in a language other than English. 
>> Nearby
>> explorer supports only English while Blind Square supports more than 20
>> languages.  English though is an international language spoken throughout
>> the world by educated peple.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>>> On 6/18/17, Jim Noseworthy  wrote:
>>> Well,
>>> 
>>> It depends what GPS functions you're looking for: orientational,
>>> navigational, or both and what you're willing to spend.
>>> 
>>> If you're wanting both orientational and navigational gps, your
>>> choices are "Seeing Eye Gps", and "Nearby Explorer."
>>> 
>>> In this writer's opinion, "Nearby Explorer is a much better option
>>> than Seeing Eye GPS;
>>> 1:  It's much cheeper;
>>> 2: Updates to the program are much more frequent.
>>> 3: It is, in my opinion, a much more complete GPS system than
>>> Seeing-Eye GPS.
>>> 
>>> If, on the otherhand, you're only interested in orientational GPS, by
>>> far, your best option is, again in my opinion, BlindSquare.  It's been
>>> around now for some time and is a very mature product.  It also
>>> supports the "What Three Words" service.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Chip Orange
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:43 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: which GPS app should i buy?
>>> 
>>> I agree with Mike, although I don't have a lot of experience with
>>> Seeing Eye; it's price alone of $300 is a great deal more than the $80
>>> of Nearby Explorer.
>>> 
>>> I believe the support for Seeing Eye may be better (in that you can
>>> pick up a phone and call someone, or email their support department),
>>> where-as Nearby Explorer's only support is a mailing list (nothing
>>> else).  The lack of support is perhaps my only significant 

Re: Galileo Maps

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

good morning Richard,
thanks for your efforts! indeed, I also trawled through Google and various 
websites for Galileo, and, I suppose, this is a sort of answer to my question, 
to wit, can iPhones use the Galileo satellites? presumably we can, or they 
wouldn't be maps for iOS. however, they are onboard maps, so, it's still not 
quite clear. what surprises me is this: apparently, there is a system out there 
which offers us infinitely greater precision, but nobody seems to be using it, 
looking at it, celebrating it, or in any way relating to it. it feels unreal to 
me! I am not aware of apps, such as BlindSquare, mentioning it. obviously, a 
little more research is required…

thanks again, and I will get back to the list if I discover anything more 
useful to us.
Good luck, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 4 Jul 2017, at 17:18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Sandy and others,
> The Galileo maps app is just for sighted folks.
> There are United States maps and you can download only the states you want.
> But, it is clearly designed as a visual map not a GPS program for blind.  So, 
> if you have enough vision, if you search for Galileo in the app store, the 
> pro version is $3.99 but there is a version you can download for free and you 
> will get 5 days of free trial of the full version.
> 
> There may be a record route feature but like I say, it isn't worth much from 
> what I could tell for a person who is totally blind like myself.
> 
> Here is the content of what I sent earlier under the other GPS thread.
> 
> 
> 
> I  found a link to their manual and on that page is a link to an app of their 
> maps in the app store.
> 
> Here is a link to what I believe is the free trial version:
> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/galileo-offline-maps/id321745474?mt=8
> 
> 
> 
> Pro linke for $3.99:
> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/galileo-offline-maps-pro/id891362701?mt=8
> 
> 
> 
> Manual link:
> https://galileo-app.com/manual.html
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: GPS get current address

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
While we are talking about GPS and, perhaps, accuracy, I am trying to pin down 
my possible use of the European Galileo satellites with my iPhone. they say 
that they have an accuracy of 1 m and for special/commercial/industrial use, 
accuracy to 1 cm. although they have experienced some technical problems, it 
does seem as if it is up and running and working! does anyone know any more 
about it? does anyone know if the chipset in our iPhones will work with it? 
these days, being without a dog, and terrible long cane skills, I really need 
this kind of accuracy! so, if anyone has more info with regard to Galileo, 
please let me know.
Thanks, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 18:05, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I believe you can do this with Nearby Explorer or Blind Square.  Probably 
> Seeing Eye GPS as well.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lelia
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: GPS get current address
> 
> Hi, Speaking of GPS and getting addresses and such.  I have a question but in 
> order to ask I have to explain things a bit.
> 
> I am moving to a new place and what I want to do is learn to go from my place 
> to both the mailboxes and the dumpsters and back to my place.  Is there a way 
> I could say go from my place and get to the mailbox with some help then 
> somehow put my mailbox as a point of interest? And do the same with the 
> dumpsters?  
> 
> Thanks for any tips.
> 
> Lelia 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 6:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: GPS get current address
> 
> Siri will at least give you the hundred block, like 3300-3399 Main street.
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chuck Carlson
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 4:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: GPS get current address
> 
> Use Siri to find out your current location.  activate Siri and ask where am I
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Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard, or should that be Dr. Johnson?

I am replying here on list for two reasons: 1. I bow to your judgement, but 
as we are drawing toward the end of this list compilation, some people might 
find it useful for any last nuggets of VO gold!? I know that I have learnt many 
good tips this way, from this list.
2. A gesture, virtually, never mentioned, is the "look around" use of the 
screen. By this I mean, just touch the screen anywhere, move your finger around 
to see what you can find on the screen and, so long as you don't pick it up 
again, you won't be doing anything, changing anything or do any harm. I have 
shown my phone to potential VO/iPhone users, and their greatest fear is always, 
fear of activating something that will mess up my settings etc. 

Please forgive me if I missed this on your magnum opus, but I am up to my 
eyes in riced cauliflower right now, while reading a book (with iLike2Read Pro) 
and pondering upon different gestures at the same time, a true multitasker me!

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 2 Jul 2017, at 15:17, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Bothersome Sandy,
> Good point.  My basic list of gestures is rapidly becoming an encyclopedia, 
> which is great!
> So, to save on list traffic, I will refer folks to my web site for updated 
> copies of the list of gestures.
> I am sure once people look at the lists there, there will be others to update.
> Check the date at the bottom of the page to know how recently things were 
> updated.
> Website: www.turner42.com
>  
> Keep being bothersome, it helps, grin.
>  
> Later,
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>  
> Richard,
> Hope I'm not adding one that's already there, but that three finger sideWays 
> swipe, is very useful in the email app. I don't use threaded mail, so, a 
> quick flick from right to left with three fingers moose immediately into the 
> previous message. like many of these gestures, they behave differently 
> depending on the app.
>  
> from that bothersome Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 2 Jul 2017, at 14:55, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> You go from right to left or left to right, just like the three finger swipe 
> for moving to the next screen of apps.
> You of course have to have a couple apps open.
> As Sandy said, keep the fingers fairly close together.
> So, line up the four fingers along the edge of the screen say with your index 
> near the dock and your little finger near the status bar, or at least 
> oriented that way.
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Ulrich
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 3:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>  
> Question:
> do you four finger swipe right to left/left to right?
> Or do you four finger swipe from top to bottom/bottom to top?
>  
> I can’t get it to work anymore so it’s driving me nuts, and that ain’t no 
> long trip!
>  
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>  
> hi,
> Just to add to the complexity: The four finger swipe left or right also works 
> on my for S running 9.32. having smaller hands helps though. Plus, it's a bit 
> slow to register the next app. but it does work and I've been using it ever 
> since it was an available gesture.
>  
> keep up the good work Richard! Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 1 Jul 2017, at 18:54, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not working on a 5S 4-finger left/right to nobe between apps? How come on my 
> 5S it's working great? The trick is how you place your four finger onscreen: 
> kind of squished together. Good luck!
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S
> 
> El 01/07/2017, a las 7:56 a.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> escribió:
> 
> Sandra, keep the expanding memory working, but this one is rather 
> inconsistent, or at least I’m rather inconsistent with it.
> On my 5S, I got it to work a couple times.
> On a system I can’t discuss, I have not been able to get it to work.
> I’m going to hold off on this one until I am sure I can make it work and 
> describe it fairly briefly.
> I noticed that the four finger swipe left and right seems to work on the 
> iPhone 6 

Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Hope I'm not adding one that's already there, but that three finger sideWays 
swipe, is very useful in the email app. I don't use threaded mail, so, a quick 
flick from right to left with three fingers moose immediately into the previous 
message. like many of these gestures, they behave differently depending on the 
app.

from that bothersome Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 2 Jul 2017, at 14:55, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> You go from right to left or left to right, just like the three finger swipe 
> for moving to the next screen of apps.
> You of course have to have a couple apps open.
> As Sandy said, keep the fingers fairly close together.
> So, line up the four fingers along the edge of the screen say with your index 
> near the dock and your little finger near the status bar, or at least 
> oriented that way.
>  
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Ulrich
> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 3:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>  
> Question:
> do you four finger swipe right to left/left to right?
> Or do you four finger swipe from top to bottom/bottom to top?
>  
> I can’t get it to work anymore so it’s driving me nuts, and that ain’t no 
> long trip!
>  
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>  
> hi,
> Just to add to the complexity: The four finger swipe left or right also works 
> on my for S running 9.32. having smaller hands helps though. Plus, it's a bit 
> slow to register the next app. but it does work and I've been using it ever 
> since it was an available gesture.
>  
> keep up the good work Richard! Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 1 Jul 2017, at 18:54, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not working on a 5S 4-finger left/right to nobe between apps? How come on my 
> 5S it's working great? The trick is how you place your four finger onscreen: 
> kind of squished together. Good luck!
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S
> 
> El 01/07/2017, a las 7:56 a.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> escribió:
> 
> Sandra, keep the expanding memory working, but this one is rather 
> inconsistent, or at least I’m rather inconsistent with it.
> On my 5S, I got it to work a couple times.
> On a system I can’t discuss, I have not been able to get it to work.
> I’m going to hold off on this one until I am sure I can make it work and 
> describe it fairly briefly.
> I noticed that the four finger swipe left and right seems to work on the 
> iPhone 6 and later.  It does not work on my 5S.
> I will move that out of the iPad section with that caveat.
>  
> Thanks for helping get this list as complete as possible.
>  
> Richard
>  
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>  
> hi Richard,
> because you're wonderful list is "ever expanding", so is my investigative 
> memory! I think you haven't mentioned this one: and I am not sure if I have 
> it exactly right, but I do use it very often: with the rotor said two words, 
> flick down once to the end of a targeted word, then double tap and hold, you 
> get a list of edit functions, sometimes immediately to the left of the cursor 
> and sometimes at the very bottom right of the screen, this seems to vary, one 
> of which being "look up". double tap that and the dictionary opens. you will 
> get a list of dictionary definitions, including other languages, if you have 
> those enabled. not sure how you would describe this in a quick and Zappy 
> form… but it is a key and, I suspect, underused function of iOS.
>  
> thanks for compiling this list, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 30 Jun 2017, at 20:09, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver Gestures
> Navigate and read
> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
> the rotor setting. * Also used to access various options on apps, Email 
> messages, etc.  Anywhere VoiceOver says "Actions available."
> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
> turn a knob, hold them against

Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Just to add to the complexity: The four finger swipe left or right also works 
on my for S running 9.32. having smaller hands helps though. Plus, it's a bit 
slow to register the next app. but it does work and I've been using it ever 
since it was an available gesture.

keep up the good work Richard! Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 1 Jul 2017, at 18:54, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not working on a 5S 4-finger left/right to nobe between apps? How come on my 
> 5S it's working great? The trick is how you place your four finger onscreen: 
> kind of squished together. Good luck!
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S
> 
>> El 01/07/2017, a las 7:56 a.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Sandra, keep the expanding memory working, but this one is rather 
>> inconsistent, or at least I’m rather inconsistent with it.
>> On my 5S, I got it to work a couple times.
>> On a system I can’t discuss, I have not been able to get it to work.
>> I’m going to hold off on this one until I am sure I can make it work and 
>> describe it fairly briefly.
>> I noticed that the four finger swipe left and right seems to work on the 
>> iPhone 6 and later.  It does not work on my 5S.
>> I will move that out of the iPad section with that caveat.
>>  
>> Thanks for helping get this list as complete as possible.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:52 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures
>>  
>> hi Richard,
>> because you're wonderful list is "ever expanding", so is my investigative 
>> memory! I think you haven't mentioned this one: and I am not sure if I have 
>> it exactly right, but I do use it very often: with the rotor said two words, 
>> flick down once to the end of a targeted word, then double tap and hold, you 
>> get a list of edit functions, sometimes immediately to the left of the 
>> cursor and sometimes at the very bottom right of the screen, this seems to 
>> vary, one of which being "look up". double tap that and the dictionary 
>> opens. you will get a list of dictionary definitions, including other 
>> languages, if you have those enabled. not sure how you would describe this 
>> in a quick and Zappy form… but it is a key and, I suspect, underused 
>> function of iOS.
>>  
>> thanks for compiling this list, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 20:09, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> VoiceOver Gestures
>> Navigate and read
>> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
>> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
>> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
>> the rotor setting. * Also used to access various options on apps, Email 
>> messages, etc.  Anywhere VoiceOver says "Actions available."
>> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
>> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
>> next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
>> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor 
>> in the VoiceOver settings.
>> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
>> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
>> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
>> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
>> Move two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and 
>> forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
>> • Speak Screen: Touch the status bar with one finger and swipe down with two 
>> fingers; only works if Speak Screen is turned on in settings, general, 
>> accessibility, speech.  VO will continue reading even if the screen is 
>> locked.
>> • Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
>> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or 
>> previous page (on the Home screen.
>> • Open Notification Center: touch the status bar and swipe down with three 
>> fingers.
>> • Open Control Panel: Touch status bar and swipe up with three fingers.
>> • Open Spotlight Search: Touch on the home screen below the status bar and 
>> above the dock and swipe down with three fingers.
>> • Speak additional information, such as position wit

Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures, with headings and an iPad only section.

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
You say "for iPad only" four finger slide left or right, to go to previous or 
next open app. this works on my iPhone 6 too!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 20:24, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver Gestures
> 
> Navigate and read
> • Practice Mode: Four finger double tap.  Puts VoiceOver in practice mode so 
> you can practice gestures without opening or changing anything.
> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
> the rotor setting. * Also used to access various options on apps, Email 
> messages, etc.  Anywhere VoiceOver says "Actions available."
> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
> next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in 
> the VoiceOver settings.
> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
> Move two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and 
> forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
> • Speak Screen: Touch the status bar with one finger and swipe down with two 
> fingers; only works if Speak Screen is turned on in settings, general, 
> accessibility, speech.   VO will continue reading even if the screen is 
> locked.
> • Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
> page (on the Home screen.
> • Open Notification Center: touch the status bar and swipe down with three 
> fingers.
> • Open Control Panel: Touch status bar and swipe up with three fingers.
> • Open Spotlight Search: Touch on the home screen below the status bar and 
> above the dock and swipe down with three fingers.
> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
> • Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger 
> quadruple tap.
> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
> Activate
> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
> the screen.
> • When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
> Triple-tap with one finger.
> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
> standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
> until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
> your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through Gesture.)
> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
> •Answer or end a call.
> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
> •Take a photo in Camera.
> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
> hold.
> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
> • Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
> settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
> word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
> selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, etc. 
>  Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
> VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
> • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up 
> a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it 
> brings up your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available 
> on devices like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.
> For iPad only
> 
> • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
> • Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five 

Re: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Richard,
because you're wonderful list is "ever expanding", so is my investigative 
memory! I think you haven't mentioned this one: and I am not sure if I have it 
exactly right, but I do use it very often: with the rotor said two words, flick 
down once to the end of a targeted word, then double tap and hold, you get a 
list of edit functions, sometimes immediately to the left of the cursor and 
sometimes at the very bottom right of the screen, this seems to vary, one of 
which being "look up". double tap that and the dictionary opens. you will get a 
list of dictionary definitions, including other languages, if you have those 
enabled. not sure how you would describe this in a quick and Zappy form… but it 
is a key and, I suspect, underused function of iOS.

thanks for compiling this list, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 20:09, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver Gestures
> Navigate and read
> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
> the rotor setting. * Also used to access various options on apps, Email 
> messages, etc.  Anywhere VoiceOver says "Actions available."
> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
> next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in 
> the VoiceOver settings.
> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
> Move two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and 
> forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
> • Speak Screen: Touch the status bar with one finger and swipe down with two 
> fingers; only works if Speak Screen is turned on in settings, general, 
> accessibility, speech.   VO will continue reading even if the screen is 
> locked.
> • Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
> page (on the Home screen.
> • Open Notification Center: touch the status bar and swipe down with three 
> fingers.
> • Open Control Panel: Touch status bar and swipe up with three fingers.
> • Open Spotlight Search: Touch on the home screen below the status bar and 
> above the dock and swipe down with three fingers.
> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
> • Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger 
> quadruple tap.
> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
> Activate
> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
> the screen.
> • When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
> Triple-tap with one finger.
> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
> standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
> until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
> your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through Gesture.)
> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
> •Answer or end a call.
> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
> •Take a photo in Camera.
> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
> hold.
> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
> • Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
> settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
> word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
> selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, etc. 
>  Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger 

Re: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Did you include the three finger quadruple tap, which puts in the clipboard the 
last thing that voice-over spoke? this can be immensely useful!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 08:08, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Richard! Very clear and useful. I'll pass it round my local 
> community. 
> Regards
> Harry
> 
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 03:56, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> VoiceOver Gestures
>> Navigate and read
>> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
>> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
>> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
>> the rotor setting.
>> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
>> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
>> next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
>> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor 
>> in the VoiceOver settings.
>> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
>> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
>> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
>> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
>> Move two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
>> • Scroll one page at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
>> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or 
>> previous page (on the Home screen.
>> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
>> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
>> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
>> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
>> Activate
>> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
>> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
>> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
>> the screen.
>> • When a non-VoiceOver uses needs to Double-tap an item: VO uses need to 
>> Triple-tap with one finger.
>> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
>> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture 
>> as standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the 
>> screen until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your 
>> finger, drag your finger on a slider.
>> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
>> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
>> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
>> •Answer or end a call.
>> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
>> •Take a photo in Camera.
>> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
>> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
>> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap 
>> and hold.
>> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
>> • Select/deselect text: Two-finger Pinch out/in.
>> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
>> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
>> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
>> VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
>> • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
>> • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
>> • For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers 
>> on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like 
>> tapping the home button once.
>> • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings 
>> up a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it 
>> brings up your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is 
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Re: Is there an app...?

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Kim,
Try camfind.

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> On 24 Jun 2017, at 18:00, Kimberly Samco  wrote:
> 
> 
> Several years ago, so my memory is fuzzy, there was an app where you took a 
> picture of something and it would find it on the web.  I think it was called 
> Noogles Noggles, maybe.
> 
> I have a toy for my dogs and I can't find it anywhere so I can get an 
> emergency supply.
> 
> Anyway, are there any apps out there that will do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kim
> 
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Re: Looking for an app, please.

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Maria,
I have had an app called Filer on my phone since I had an iPhone. it is 
completely VO friendly and will hold any sort of file, plus, it will and zip or 
zip files for you.

hope this helps, Sandy

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> On 19 May 2017, at 09:03, Mária Orovčíková  wrote:
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> Hello list,
> 
> please, does anyone know any Voiceover accessible app that would let me 
> download any file on my Iphone and Ipad (MP3, PDF, doc, Zip etc.)?
> 
> Thank you very much for your help in advance.
> 
> With kind regards,
> 
> Maria
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Re: unable to use Siri to start KNFB reader

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Thank you! Omitting the word "reader" now works on my iPhone 6 running the 
latest iOS.
Sandy

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> On 12 May 2017, at 03:16, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting.
> On my iPod Touch 6th generation, I can say either, Open KNFB, or open KNFB 
> reader and it opens fine.
> On my iPhone 5s, if I say Open KNFB, it works, but if I say Open KNFB Reader, 
> it says I don't seem to have an app by that name.
> Very odd.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Noun: trumpery
> 1. (informal) statements or beliefs that are untrue or make no sense
> 2. Ornamental objects of no great value
> This definition is from WordWeb
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6?
> 
> On May 11, 2017, at 5:49 PM, jaan ali  wrote:
> 
>> I am facing the same issue, now I use the search feature to find this app
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>> Michael D. Ulrich 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:42:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: unable to use Siri to start KNFB reader
>>  
>> Hi Chip, I too noticed the same thing going on with Mikey and that the 
>> reader on my 5S. I think this all started with the update that just came 
>> out, that being 10.31? Or something like that. I'd like to know if anybody 
>> else is having this problem too.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On May 11, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi all,
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > As the subject says, I've been unable lately to have Siri understand the
>> > command "open KNFB Reader" or "start KNFB Reader".  This used to work
>> > reliably for me.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Any suggestions as to what may be the issue?  I have this app in a folder
>> > off the sixth home screen, and in its folder you have to pass through a
>> > couple of screens before you find the icon for the app, so it's really
>> > tedious to go start it manually.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Thanks,
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Chip
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: Introducing Alexa calling and messaging

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hi,
I just updated the app on my iPhone 6 running the latest iOS and find that I 
cannot get it to work with voice-over. I can read the screen but cannot click 
on any links. is anyone else having trouble or is it just me?
Thanks, Sandy

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> On 11 May 2017, at 00:52, Michael Hingson  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried this yet? I just received the following announcement.
>  
> ==
> AMAZON ECHO
> ==
>  
> "Alexa, call Mom."
> We're excited to announce Alexa calling and messaging.
> - "Alexa, call Grace."
> - "Alexa, send a message to Chris."
> See the feature in action, then check out the details below to try it for 
> yourself.
>  
> Getting started is easy  
> 1) Download the updated app for iOS and Android
> 2) Complete set‑up including importing your contacts
> 3) Forward this email to your friends
>  
> iOS link: 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-echo/id944011620?ref_=MP_AUCC_MX_HV_Sub_Wed_echo_comms_05_10_ios_txt
> Android link: 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amazon.dee.app_=MP_AUCC_MX_HV_Sub_Wed_echo_comms_05_10_android_txt
>  
> Calling
> How do I make a call?
> - "Alexa, call Mom."
>  
> How do I receive calls?
> - "Alexa, answer the call."
> Messaging
> How do I send a voice message?
> - "Alexa, send Jenny a message."
>  
> How do I retrieve messages?
> Alexa will announce your messages, a chime will sound, and a green light ring 
> will appear.  To hear messages, just ask:
>  - "Alexa, play my messages?"
> A new way to be together
> Who can I call and message?
> You can call or message any contact who also has the free Alexa App on their 
> phone, an Echo, or an Echo Dot and has enabled Alexa calling and messaging. 
> Once you update the app, you can see which contacts have also enabled Alexa 
> calling and messaging. Don't see your friends or family in the app? Just 
> forward this email to help them get started.
>  
> What if I have an Echo and my dad has an Echo Dot—can we still call or 
> message each other?
> Yes!
>  
> What if my friends don't have an Echo, can I still call or message them from 
> mine?
> Yes! Those friends would simply need to download the free Alexa App on their 
> phone, available on iOS and Android, and enable Alexa calling and messaging.
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Re: RNIB Navigator access problem.

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hi,
I'm not using the RNIB navigator app, but I am having problems with various 
apps loading on my iPhone 6 using iOS 10.1.1. I am wondering if updating the 
iOS to the latest version would help?
Sandy

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> Is any list member having problems with RNIB Navigator?
> 
> Cannot get it to load, server timeout since yesterday.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Emergency contacts

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I wonder, if you normally have your screen brightness set to 0, does this apply 
to the lock screen to?
Thanks, Sandy

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> On 2 May 2017, at 12:28, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
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> Great! Thanks 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Ulrich
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 7:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Emergency contacts
> 
> You can open the Health app, then go to the bottom and hit the Medical ID 
> tab. In this section you can add all sorts of your medical info; including 
> emergency contacts. First though you must hit the edit button, in order to 
> add info.
> Once you're done with this: If you keep your IPhone in the unlocked mode, an 
> emergency worker just has to unlock the phone like normal, then open your 
> health app.
> But if you've got your phone in password protected mode; all the emergency 
> worker has to do is hit the emergency button underneath the password entry 
> field and it will takem directly to your Health app's Medical ID portion.
> It's pretty cool and I feel much better with all this stuff set up properly.
> I swear, the older you get, the less you  bounce and the more you break!
> But then again, death is the only true side effect of life!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Emergency contacts
> 
> No I have not but I'm trying to find a way for my emergency contacts to be 
> available if something happened without someone knowing my pass code on my 
> phone.
> Thanks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 11:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Emergency contacts
> 
> Have you tried the "health" app on your phone?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:10 PM
> Subject: Emergency contacts
> 
> 
> Hello does anyone know if it is possible to add emergency contacts to the 
> phone in the event that something happens and a stranger needs to contact 
> someone on your behalf. I have seen some apps where this is possible but 
> they are really for the side it individuals.
> Thank you
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Re: Increasing Battery Life

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I have read this too, however, while it may be true of many apps, some apps are 
serious battery brain is even in the background. KNFB reader, the Neato app, 
Neo reader, to name but three! there are probably others too! I suppose the 
only thing to do is to try it and see if there's any difference…

good luck, Sandy

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> On 29 Apr 2017, at 13:53, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've heard that removing apps from the app switcher actually hurts
> battery life rather than helps it.
> 
>> On 4/29/17, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> hi,
>> I find that some apps are real battery hogs and so, once used, I'll best
>> removed from the app switcher. for example, I was just using a barcode
>> reading app called NeoReader and found my battery had gone right down really
>> quickly to 10%! KNFB reader is another such battery hog. also, if you're not
>> using them, why not turn off some of your connectivity, such as Bluetooth or
>> Wi-Fi? it is so easy to turn back on again! finally, I believe, if you have
>> push notifications turned on, this will drain your battery to. so, it all
>> comes down to choice. What do you want/need from your phone?
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2017, at 13:37, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are the best ways to increase battery life while using voiceover,
>>> aside from turning background app refresh off and turning brightness
>>> down to 0?
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Re: Increasing Battery Life

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hi,
I find that some apps are real battery hogs and so, once used, I'll best 
removed from the app switcher. for example, I was just using a barcode reading 
app called NeoReader and found my battery had gone right down really quickly to 
10%! KNFB reader is another such battery hog. also, if you're not using them, 
why not turn off some of your connectivity, such as Bluetooth or Wi-Fi? it is 
so easy to turn back on again! finally, I believe, if you have push 
notifications turned on, this will drain your battery to. so, it all comes down 
to choice. What do you want/need from your phone?

Sandy

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> On 29 Apr 2017, at 13:37, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
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> What are the best ways to increase battery life while using voiceover,
> aside from turning background app refresh off and turning brightness
> down to 0?
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Re: quite annoyed with bespecular!

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Jen,
Don't worry about bothering people! recently many of us received emails from Be 
My Eyes saying "please use it!" They have too many volunteers who have never 
actually received a request for assistance. in order to keep it alive, they 
really want us to use it! Plus, the volunteers can choose not to answer… I have 
only used it a few times, but every time the person was absolutely delighted to 
receive a call. Plus, it is diverted around the globe, so, no matter what time 
you use the app, you won't be waking someone up!

go for it! Sandy

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> On 29 Apr 2017, at 12:04, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> Hi Judy. There is no done button... it's not a picker like normal ones we 
> see. 
> Sandy... I have used be my eyes but it was really early and I didn't want to 
> bother anyone. lol. I may have to do that though a little later. 
> Thank you both for your responses. 
> Jen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 29, 2017, at 7:00 AM, Judy Pryor  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the app but havnt used it yet. When you get to the picker items you 
>> need to press the done button Which is usually on the left of the picker 
>> when you have selected what you want. 
>> Judy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Apr 2017, at 11:23, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> First let me appologize for the rant I may go on. lol! 
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to sign up with bespecular, because after all it is an app for 
>>> the visually impaired, right? lol. So anyway I can't use the stupid age or 
>>> language pickers! Ha! So how is an app that is supposed to help us do so if 
>>> it doesn't work with voiceover to even sign up? I'm sorry I'm just quite 
>>> annoyed because I need someone to read a lcd display for me. 
>>> Ok rant over. Can anyone confirm this issue I'm having? I can't even leave 
>>> feedback because the only options I have are to sign up or log in! lol. Go 
>>> figure!
>>> Thanks for listening. 
>>> Jen
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Re: quite annoyed with bespecular!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Jen,
It's Sandy again! I find be my eyes is the most useful of  all these  sighted 
assistance apps. you don't have to get a perfect shot for the help to be 
helpful. because the app uses the back facing camera in video mode, your 
assistant can just say "move it to the left" et cetera and then can read the 
screen for you. have you tried it?t
Good luck, Sandy

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> On 29 Apr 2017, at 11:23, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> Hi all.
> First let me appologize for the rant I may go on. lol! 
> 
> I'm trying to sign up with bespecular, because after all it is an app for the 
> visually impaired, right? lol. So anyway I can't use the stupid age or 
> language pickers! Ha! So how is an app that is supposed to help us do so if 
> it doesn't work with voiceover to even sign up? I'm sorry I'm just quite 
> annoyed because I need someone to read a lcd display for me. 
> Ok rant over. Can anyone confirm this issue I'm having? I can't even leave 
> feedback because the only options I have are to sign up or log in! lol. Go 
> figure!
> Thanks for listening. 
> Jen
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Re: This just ain't my morning!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Jen,
I don't know the answer to the subscription issue, but I would love to know if 
you find a Aipoly Vision of any use. I have tried it and find it worse than 
useless, positively, misleading! but that might just be me?
Good luck, Sandy

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> On 29 Apr 2017, at 11:32, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> How the heck do you create a subscription with appoli vision? Yep, spelling 
> it wrong but these apps that are supposed to help us are really annoying me! 
> lol. 
> I double tapped on settings, vo says subscription and settings. There is 
> nothing to double tap on to create a subspription. 
> Help? Please? 
> Jen
> 
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Re: need some suggestions for some good cooking apps

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
There is also a food.com app which I like very much!
Sandy

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> On 28 Apr 2017, at 17:03, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
>  wrote:
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> Yes, Allrecipes does have an app.  
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Tom 
> Lange [lang...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: need some suggestions for some good cooking apps
> 
> Hi,
> In addition to food.com, there's an app called Big Oven which boasts 350,000 
> recipes of all sorts. Allrecipes may have an app as well.
> Tom
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was primarily responding to the "blind friendly" recipes piece.
>> If by Blind Friendly, the idea was simple, like the 5 ingredients cookbook, 
>> then maybe that is the way to go, but without knowing the basics and how to 
>> measure, then it is going to be difficult and blindness has nothing to do 
>> with it.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: need some suggestions for some good cooking apps
>> 
>> Another very good app is Paprika, it allows you to browse recipes from 
>> inside the app and then to save any you find interesting to the app. The app 
>> automatically puts ingredients and directions and all that in the correct 
>> format and supports dozens of popular recipe sites. You can also scale 
>> recipes, e.g. if a recipe is for 4-6 people and you want to make only half 
>> of that you can scale it to 0.5 and all measurements are adjusted 
>> accordingly.
>> Other than that I agree that Food.com is a good website, AllRecipes.com is 
>> also good and if you like vegetarian I like www.CookieandKate.com.
>> As for the art of cooking itself I would disagree a bit with your statement, 
>> Richard, about being able to measure and cook. I guess if by "learing to 
>> cook" you mean to master basics like how to prepare certain foods, how to 
>> saute, thicken a sauce and many more things then I agree, but it's learing 
>> how to do many of these things which make the difference between somebody 
>> who can follow a basic recipe and somebody who is a good cook who can also 
>> improvise and still get a good result. Of course it also depends on how many 
>> finished and prepared ingredients you want to use, e.g. do you buy Coleslaw 
>> and prepared dressing or a Caesar salad mix in a bag with Caesar salad 
>> dressing or do you buy cabbage, carots, apples, sellery and all the things 
>> you need for the dressing to make your own coleslaw and do you buy romane 
>> lettuce, crutons and then make your own bacon bits and you make your own 
>> Caesar dressing which requires all sorts of ingredients including anchovi 
>> paste, fresh parmesan cheese etc. Let's not even get into making actual 
>> authentic indian curries which can require literally a dozen different 
>> spices.
>> I have cooked for a long time, my Mom has a degree in home economics and 
>> learned back in Germany in the 50's where she had to do a 4-year 
>> aprenticeship with schooling in between and two separate exams before she 
>> had her masters degree, and I learned a lot from her, but still I only 
>> consider myself a fair cook. I love all kinds of food, but am particularly 
>> fond of very hot indian or thai curries and I sometimes wish I could cook 
>> better. Also, apart from learning the required skills you do have to invest 
>> a bit of money in some equipment and just as with many things or hobbies you 
>> can spend a lot if you want to buy really good knives, pots and pans etc.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 8:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: need some suggestions for some good cooking apps
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know what blind friendly recipes would be.
>> The key is learning how to measure and cook.
>> 
>> Food.com has a great app with thousands and thousands of recipes.
>> Blind Mice Mega Mall sells cook books and has a podcast by a blind cook, I 
>> think, though I've never listened to it.
>> I am totally blind, and have cooked since I went blind at age 12.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Noun: trumpery
>> 1. (informal) statements or beliefs that are untrue or make no sense 2. 
>> Ornamental objects of no great value This definition is from WordWeb
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6?
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Well, i'm going to be starting to venture out more in the 

Re: need some suggestions for some good cooking apps

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi Jed,
We have a group going, and email list, not too busy, but we would be very happy 
to have you on board. below is a link to subscribe and a general description of 
the aims of the list.

hope to see you there! Sandy
vipsinthekitchen+subscr...@groups.io
vipsinthekitchen is an email group aimed at visually impaired cooks or want to 
be cooks. we want to exchange experience/advice/discoveries useful to us in the 
kitchen. discussions on all cuisines/techniques/technologies and recipes, plus 
recommendations for Podcasts and home-made recordings will all be welcome! 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 28 Apr 2017, at 03:38, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Well, i'm going to be starting to venture out more in the kitchen and doing 
> more cooking.  Quite frankly it's long over-due.  Any suggestiong on any apps 
> i can use, or any good sites for blind friendly recipes and all that?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jed
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Re: KNFB Reader 2.7.3 '

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I do wish they would address the formatting issue! now that we see other apps 
can do it, it would appear, there should be no problem for the KNFB reader app 
to follow suit.

Sandy

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> On 21 Apr 2017, at 19:30, Richard Turner  wrote:
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> KNFB Reader has an update. Here is the what's new info:
> - New app icon and splash screen added;
> - Czech user interface language added;
> - Fixes a crash some users experienced when taking a picture;
> - The "volume up" button will now take a picture and the "volume down" button 
> will execute field of view;
> - Fixes some minor issues with voice-over accessibility.
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Re: Roomba Andy iPhone

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Kay,
I have the Neato botvac connected, and the app, at the moment, it's very 
usable. mind you, I haven't updated the firmware on the vacuum cleaner yet, so, 
it could be that there are issues   there but I don't know about them. Plus, I 
tend to stick to very simple functions with it. others here may have different 
experiences. having had roombas before, I can say that the Neato is easier to 
maintain and empty. having had three Roombas, and being a Roomba fan for years, 
I am now converted to the Neato cleaner. but it doesn't speak and you do need 
sighted assistance to set it up. I think, I may need sighted assistance to 
update the firmware too!

good luck with your choice, Sandy

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> On 21 Apr 2017, at 15:48, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> Well, it's time to upgrade the roomba. I know there has been discussion on 
> this subject, but which is the best one to get and had the most usable app? 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much.
> 
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Re: reenabling the on screen keyboard

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hi Paul,
The only workaround I have found is to use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard and then 
when I have finished Press the top right hand key which makes the on-board 
keyboard visible. then I turn off my Apple keyboard. generally speaking, this 
works!
Good luck to you and your friend! Sandy

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> On 17 Apr 2017, at 23:17, Paul Ferrara  wrote:
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> Hello, I was asked a question today and could not give a correct answer.
> Apparently a work colleague bought an Apple wireless keyboard and uses it and 
> now cannot type using the on screen keyboard.
> I looked at the phone in question and, sure enough, no keyboard showing.
>  
> Please advise.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: Sender name on posts

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yes! Mine is Google mail.
Sandy

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> On 13 Mar 2017, at 15:58, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Carol,
>  
> I just checked and you are, just as Sandy, another list member where the 
> “From” field shows your name, but it then says “mail 
> to:viphone@googlegroups.com” and not “mailto: followed by your personal 
> email”.
> I seem to remember that your email is an @GoogleMail.com address, Sandy, does 
> your address end in the domain @GooglemMail.com or is it @gmail.com?
> If both are @GoogleMail.com then I guess Rajmund is correct in saying that 
> for some reason this domain is treated differently. Maybe Mark could shed 
> some light on this? After all he is the moderator and he should have all the 
> answers, right? *smile*
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sender name on posts
>  
> Hi, I think that might be a mistake somewhere in my set up, but I never have 
> fathomed it and, to be honest, it is very low priority on my list right now… 
> So sorry! :-)
> 
>  
>  
> Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)
>  
> 
> On 13 Mar 2017, at 10:22 am, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> actually, I am with Google! But even on this message when I look at the 
> header it is addressed to Carol and not to me and it says via Google groups.
> 
> I suppose I could unsubscribe and then re-subscribe, but I'm a bit loath, 
> being short of time at the moment…
> Thanks for any suggestions, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> 
> On 12 Mar 2017, at 23:14, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
> This is due to the fact that she uses something like yahoo!, or google mail.  
> In short of changing the domain, and or provider, there's nothing she can 
> do
>  
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:27:36 +
> Subject: RE: Sender name on posts
>  
> Hi Sandy,
>  
> You should try to figure out why your messages don't display your email 
> address like all the others.  Marie's message says:
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net
>  
> Your messages say this:
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>  
> Also, all messages where the sender's email is displayed in the "From" field 
> I can use the Jaws 18 key combination Jaws Key+Shift+R to respond directly to 
> the sender instead of to the list.  In your case since no email is listed 
> that also sends a reply to the list.  Jaws says "replying directly to 
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Re: Sender name on posts

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

actually, I am with Google! But even on this message when I look at the header 
it is addressed to Carol and not to me and it says via Google groups.

I suppose I could unsubscribe and then re-subscribe, but I'm a bit loath, being 
short of time at the moment…
Thanks for any suggestions, Sandy

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> On 12 Mar 2017, at 23:14, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is due to the fact that she uses something like yahoo!, or google mail.  
> In short of changing the domain, and or provider, there's nothing she can 
> do
> 
> Sent from a BrailleNote
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:27:36 +
> Subject: RE: Sender name on posts
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> 
> You should try to figure out why your messages don't display your email 
> address like all the others.  Marie's message says:
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net
> 
> Your messages say this:
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> 
> Also, all messages where the sender's email is displayed in the "From" field 
> I can use the Jaws 18 key combination Jaws Key+Shift+R to respond directly to 
> the sender instead of to the list.  In your case since no email is listed 
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Re: Sender name on posts

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Sieghard,

I know! I have some trouble with this list and addresses! For example, if I 
want to send a new message with a new subject line, I cannot just enter the 
viphone address in the "to" field. I always get offered Carole Pierson's 
address and, in deed, a lot of messages that come to me from this list see me 
as Carole! Sorry Carole, it seems my iphone has highjacked your identity! If I 
want to start a new thread, I have to go to the bottom of someone's message and 
find the link to the group and select that. So, I imagine, my address not 
showing up here is something to do with all this.

If anyone knows how I can fix these issues, please let me know!

Thanks, Sandy, and, Sieghard, did your Mum's Neato get better? 

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> Hi Sandy,
>  
> You should try to figure out why your messages don’t display your email 
> address like all the others. Marie’s message says:
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net>
>  
> Your messages say this:
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>  
> Also, all messages where the sender’s email is displayed in the “From” field 
> I can use the Jaws 18 key combination Jaws Key+Shift+R to respond directly to 
> the sender instead of to the list. In your case since no email is listed that 
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Re: Sender name on posts

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Marie,
When I see your messages I just see your name at the top with an option to 
click on it to find your address.
Hope this helps, Sandy

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> On 11 Mar 2017, at 21:34, Marie  wrote:
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> I wonder why my posts to this list  show up as from my email address rather 
> than my name. Does it appear the same to others are just on my own system?
> Marie
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Re: I can read my Ketonix with the iPhone

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

ann,
This is good news about being able to read the LED status. can you tell me 
which two apps did you use? I.e., which light detector app and which colour 
detector app?
Thanks and well done! Sandy

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> On 7 Mar 2017, at 17:31, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> On a whim, I decided to see if I could use our Ketonix breath ketone metre 
> without sighted help. It’s the basic model without the computer interface. 
> While charging, it flashes, and the Light Detector app detects the pulses.
> I had to use a colour identifier without using the flash to read the coloured 
> section, but it worked very well.
> So, if anyone else is on a ketogenic diet and would like to check on their 
> ketones, even the basic model of the Ketonix is accessible.
> A ketogenic diet is helpful for anyone with insulin resistance, epilepsy, 
> many inflammatory conditions, or undergoing treatment for most cancers. We 
> bought the Ketonix when my husband was being treated for oesophageal cancer 
> from which he recovered completely.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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Re: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed

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thank you for this!
Is a local NAS drive basically a  hardware storage drive? does this mean, then, 
that we have full access to all these drives regardless of their previous 
inaccessibility with voice-over? or am I misunderstanding as usual?
Thanks, Sandy

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> On 6 Mar 2017, at 19:07, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> You can link it to your Dropbox account and instead of the Dropbox app you 
> can then see and browse/open all your files from the FileBrowser app.
> In addition to support for all the major cloud storage services you can also 
> connect to any local NAS drives you may have (network attached storage) or 
> computers as long as they are on the same WiFi network.
> I haven't tried to connect yet when I'm not connected to the same WiFi, but I 
> think it si somehow also possible.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 9:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
> 
> hi,
> I just bought filebrowser, but I don't know what to do with it!! For example, 
> how does it help with the dropbox situation?
> 
>If anyone feels au fait with this app, would you explain the sorts of 
> things you might use it for?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:41, Vicki <vwher...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I never knew very much about Office 365. Thanks. I will have to look into it.
>> 
>> Vicki
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>> <siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 11:44 AM
>> Subject: RE: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, but the $99 subscription is to get 1 TB of storage and while I agree 
>> that they should fix this and I'm sure they will, FileBrowser will give you 
>> access to your files for now and since it can also do much more in terms of 
>> giving you one place where you can connect to Dropbox, OneDrive, Google 
>> Drive and external hard drives and computers on your network it really is 
>> not a bad app to have.
>> By the way, and this is just my opinion, if you buy Office 365 Family for 
>> $99 (you can get an individual subscription for even less) you get 1 Tb of 
>> OneDrive storage and in addition to that you get access to the full version 
>> of whatever the newest Office version is and you can download and install it 
>> on up to 5 computers and with the family plan up to 4 more people also each 
>> get 1 Tb of storage and access to Office. You also get 60 minutes of Skype 
>> caling credit for each user and it's absolutely and by a big margin the best 
>> deal out there when it comes to value.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Vicki
>> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 6:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
>> 
>> This is great. My main issue is that I all ready pay $99.00 a year for 
>> Dropbox and they need to fix this issue.  Thanks for the tip. I will check 
>> this one out.
>> 
>> Vicki
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Alan Lemly" <wale...@gmail.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
>> 
>> 
>> Anouk,
>> 
>> Thanks for the reminder tip about the FileBrowser app. I second 
>> Anouk's recommendation. Not only will FileBrowser let you link to your 
>> Dropbox account and have access to those files but it also lets you 
>> access the files on your local computer. With its built-in media 
>> player, you can access all the music stored in your iTunes library on 
>> your computer and not have to worry about filling up your device with 
>> that music. If you decide to use FileBrowser to attach your local 
>> computer file system, I'd caution you to put a password on the app in 
>> order to protect your data from obtrusive access. As Anouk stated, 
>> FileBrowser is exceedingly accessible with Voiceover.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Anouk Radix
>> S

Re: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
I just bought filebrowser, but I don't know what to do with it!! For example, 
how does it help with the dropbox situation?

If anyone feels au fait with this app, would you explain the sorts of 
things you might use it for?

Thanks, Sandy 

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> On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:41, Vicki  wrote:
> 
> I never knew very much about Office 365. Thanks. I will have to look into it.
> 
> Vicki
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 11:44 AM
> Subject: RE: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
> 
> 
> Yes, but the $99 subscription is to get 1 TB of storage and while I agree 
> that they should fix this and I'm sure they will, FileBrowser will give you 
> access to your files for now and since it can also do much more in terms of 
> giving you one place where you can connect to Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive 
> and external hard drives and computers on your network it really is not a bad 
> app to have.
> By the way, and this is just my opinion, if you buy Office 365 Family for $99 
> (you can get an individual subscription for even less) you get 1 Tb of 
> OneDrive storage and in addition to that you get access to the full version 
> of whatever the newest Office version is and you can download and install it 
> on up to 5 computers and with the family plan up to 4 more people also each 
> get 1 Tb of storage and access to Office. You also get 60 minutes of Skype 
> caling credit for each user and it's absolutely and by a big margin the best 
> deal out there when it comes to value.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Vicki
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 6:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
> 
> This is great. My main issue is that I all ready pay $99.00 a year for 
> Dropbox and they need to fix this issue.  Thanks for the tip. I will check 
> this one out.
> 
> Vicki
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alan Lemly" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:02 PM
> Subject: RE: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
> 
> 
> Anouk,
> 
> Thanks for the reminder tip about the FileBrowser app. I second Anouk's
> recommendation. Not only will FileBrowser let you link to your Dropbox
> account and have access to those files but it also lets you access the files
> on your local computer. With its built-in media player, you can access all
> the music stored in your iTunes library on your computer and not have to
> worry about filling up your device with that music. If you decide to use
> FileBrowser to attach your local computer file system, I'd caution you to
> put a password on the app in order to protect your data from obtrusive
> access. As Anouk stated, FileBrowser is exceedingly accessible with
> Voiceover.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Anouk Radix
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 9:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: filebrowser was: Re: Dropbox issue seems to be fixed
> 
> Hi everyone, A friend tipped me about the app filebrowser (not free but easy
> to use and fully vo compatible). IU use that now to get access to my dropbox
> files and for me it fixes the problem and is a nice alternative so i though
> I would share it because it might help some other people out as well.
> Have a nice weekend,
> Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 4 Mar 2017, at 16:05, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Carla. I appreciate this update.
>> Jen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Carla Savage  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have been in regular contact with Dropbox support throughout this week.
>>> They thought they had fixed it but after further testing, I informed them
>>> that the so called fix hadn't worked. The support guy emailed me
>>> yesterday to say that there is a fix on the way early next week.
>>> So, watch this space!
>>> Take care,
>>> Carla.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4 Mar 2017, at 2:43 pm, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
 
 1my bad. Sorry. I thought Anna had said she tried it and it worked.
 Sorry Anna. I didn't mean to imply anything was your fault. (smile)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 4, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> They gave bad information to Anna, she cannot do anything about it,
> dropbox has never made meantime updates, they are lieing.
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Dropbox issue seems 

Re: A question

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Not sure if I am correct here, but I have my iPhone set to UK English, I don't 
use the word period but rather the word fullstop

give it a try! Sandy

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> On 25 Feb 2017, at 16:42, Dana Leet  wrote:
> 
> I have a question every time I dictate on my phone and I say the word period 
> instead of my phone actually putting a punctuation mark other period it 
> spells out the word period period why would you do this can someone help? 
> Every other punctuation mark I write works perfectly, however periods always 
> end up not being a punctuation mark but the actual littoral word does anyone 
> have a solution or know why this would do this?
> 
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Using ChromeCast and the iPhone?

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Hi,

We bought a ChromeCast thing to plug into the TV. I have set it up with the 
house wifi and my iPhone 6. I successfully did this using "Google Home" app. I 
also downloaded the YouTube app and selected TB. Got a bit confused at that 
point as to which app to use for getting the youtube video to play on the TV. 
Anyway, I managed it and all seemed OK to me, but my partner said that the 
picture, on the TV, was small, not the full screen. Cand anyone advise me as to 
what setting to change?

Indeed, any tips or useful links would be much appreciated!

Sandy. 

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Re: A Safari question

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Aann,
I sometimes efind that it ehelps to turn the rotor to characters and move on to 
say the second character in the link and then double tap. this appears to be an 
issue of focus with VO.

hope this helps you, Sandy

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> On 17 Feb 2017, at 04:46, Ann Larson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> For the most part, the buttons work on a web page using Safari, but 
> occasionally I have clicked on a button that is labeled...such as a checkout 
> button...and nothing happens. Of course, with VoiceOver turned off and a 
> sighted person clicking on the button, it works fine. I am wondering if there 
> might possibly be a workaround to this annoying problem? Any ideas or 
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. 
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Re: onscreen keyboard problem

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Kimber,
I have always thought that this was a Bluetooth issue. iOS 10 X has been 
plagued with Bluetooth issues. perhaps, it is Bluetooth plus voice-over 
related? when it happens to me, I have the impression that the phone is still 
thinking it is connected to my Bluetooth keyboard, even though that keyboard is 
switched off. often, it might say "quick nav on" which implies to me that it is 
thinking the keyboard is connected.

next time it happens to me, I shall try your method with locating the edit box, 
turning off  voice-over, and then tapping the middle of the screen once. thanks 
for the tip!
Sandy

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> On 16 Feb 2017, at 12:10, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> Please do report your onscreen keyboard problems to Apple
> accessibility. I spoke with someone yesterday and he told me they have
> other reports from voiceover users who are having trouble with the
> onscreen keyboard disappearing. He took me through several steps --
> most of which I had already tried to no avail. But the one thing he
> had me do and that worked was this. He had me open an app where I was
> seeing the disappearing keyboard problem and put focus on the edit
> field. He then had me turn off VO with the triple click of the home
> button. While VO was off, he had me do a single tap with one finger in
> the center of the screen. He said this gesture would cause the
> keyboard to appear and it did. I turned VO back on and haven't had any
> problem since.
> 
> He seemed convinced that the disappearing keyboard was VO related, but
> we were unable to reliably reproduce the problem which will make it
> difficult to address.
> 
> One more thing I noticed, while I was having the problem, there was a
> button displaying under settings, general, keyboard that indicated the
> presence of a hardware keyboard. When the disappearing keyboard
> problem cleared up that button was gone. So there is definitely a VO
> related issue, we just don't know how to reproduce it or the
> underlying cause.
> 
> Kimber
> 
>> On 2/15/17, Rizzino, Bonnie  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> My husband and I (both with iPhone 7) have been experiencing these problems
>> as well.  It is quite frustrating.
>> I guess we should all report this problem to the Apple Accessibility
>> department, and hopefully it will be fixed soon.
>> 
>> Bonnie Rizzino
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Re: Onscreen keyboard problem persists

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Kimberley,
I very rarely lock my phone. I merely put it to sleep. so, though this is 
doubtless a bug, would you try doing that and see if your keyboard will come 
back for you? by locking the phone, I mean, getting that "iPhone shutting down" 
message. perhaps, I had misunderstood you…

as for when it started, I have had issues with the on screen keyboard and, 
indeed, the Bluetooth keyboard, ever since iOS 10, at least!

sorry I can't help, but if you find a solution, do let me know!
Sandy

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> On 15 Feb 2017, at 16:28, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I thought I had fixed my problem of the disappearing onscreen
> keyboard, but it seems not. I can get the keyboard to show by turning
> on my bt keyboard and pressing the show/hide onscreen keyboard key.
> When I do that the keyboard will remain visible until I lock the
> phone. Once I lock the phone the keyboard becomes hidden again and
> won't display until I repeat the process I described. This is
> incredibly frustrating! Also it's a problem I nevwer saw before
> yesterday. What could have triggered it?
> 
> 
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Re: Onscreen keyboard won't appear on iPhone 7

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Hi Kimberly,

I too am running 10.1.1, but on an iPhone 6 and use a BT Keyboard. Often, I 
find that, when I am not using the BT keyboard, the onscreen keyboard does not 
show up! I too have performed the same manoeuvres as you with no success. The 
only answer I have found is to, before shutting down my BT keyboard, press the 
top righthand key, which, on my Apple BT keyboard, makes the onscreen keyboard 
visible/invisible. So, I leave it as "visible" and then turn off the BT 
keyboard. So far, this seems to work and my onscreen keyboard has appeared for 
me, but next time I use the BT keyboard I have to remember to press that top 
right button to make sure the onscreen keyboard is visible before shutting down.

Hope this helps, Sandy. 

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> On 15 Feb 2017, at 11:53, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Yesterday I began having a problem with the onscreen keyboard on my
> iPhone 7 running iOS10.1. The keyboard will not appear no matter what
> I do. So far I have tried the following to solve the problem:
> 
> Rebooted the phone.
> Performed a hard reset.
> Reset network settings.
> Turned Bluetooth on and off.
> Made the phone forget all Bluetooth keyboards then repaired.
> 
> None of these actions has restored my onscreen keyboard. Does anyone
> have any other ideas short of installing the latest iOS? I haven't
> wanted to update because of a mail bug that is a deal-breaker for me.
> The bug is fixed in the beta cycle and I was trying to hang on until
> the beta goes into production. So if I can avoid updating I would like
> to.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Games for the blind

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hi,
Not being a game player, I have not experimented with my iPhone, but I do 
remember, a long time ago, enjoying playing monkey Island and Discworld on the 
old PC. however, they won't accessible with screen reader, I could see the 
screen reasonably well in those days. now, is it possible? other games like 
monkey Island or Discworld that I can play on my iPhone using voice over? I 
would love it if I could…

ever hopeful, Sandy

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> On 10 Feb 2017, at 14:07, MamaPeach  wrote:
> 
> All of the games on that site were played and tested and that is why they are 
> listed, as recommendations with notes about whether or not they are 
> completely accessible with VoiceOver. I have added many games that I myself 
> tested and found that work well for a blind game player. It is a great 
> resource as they have been played by blind gamers.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ketan Kothari
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:20 AM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Re: Games for the blind
> 
> Thank you.  Actually, I know of the site and am a user of the same but
> I wanted experiencial help.  Hope that can be done.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>> On 2/10/17, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I have never played any game on my Iphone.  I would be grateful if
>> someone can be kind enough to suggest me some addictive and
>> mindcatching games that are accessible.  Also, how does one know
>> whether a particular game is a solo game or can be played in the
>> gamecentre.  I would appreciate help.  Thank you.
>> 
>> With best wishes,
>> 
>> Ketan
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Re: rainbow II Color Identifier documentation

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Thanks for this! have you had a chance to play with this yourself? The main 
functionality I am looking for is telling me the colours of LEDs. 

Sometimes, on this list, my address is replaced by Carol's, I don't know why, 
but I have seen it happen with other people's addresses. Something is wrong 
with the list software, I reckon! Anyway, here is my own address, if you prefer 
to contact me off list, as this is not IOS related.
sandratomk...@googlemail.com
Thanks for the info! Sandy. 


sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 10 Feb 2017, at 02:40, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I lost Sandy's address, so I'm sending the documentation to the list. sorry 
> if that is out of order.
> 
> Introducing the new version of the Rainbow II Color Reader, a talking color 
> identifier for the visually impaired and color blind.  Small, accurate and 
> easy to use, the Rainbow Color Reader can easily fit in a pocket.  With over 
> 40 colors, it provides accurate color discrimination without confusing the 
> user with odd color names or vague descriptions of the color.  Only one 
> button and only a single AAA battery (included) means simple operation and 
> maintenance!
> 
> Who needs the Rainbow II?
> 
> The Visually Impaired
> 
> The Rainbow II was originally designed for the President of the company, who 
> is visually impaired. She enjoyed wearing bright colors, but wanted to be 
> sure she was wearing the correct ones! The Rainbow II's simple, quick 
> operation provides the color quickly and easily, making it easy to get 
> dressed in the correct color, sort clothes, pick the right color yarn or 
> ribbon, and any other task that requires color.
> 
> The Color-Blind or, more precisely the WIVES of the Color-Blind!
> Men with the various types of color blindness find the Rainbow II very useful 
> in picking out the correct color shirt, t-shirt, tie, pants or any other 
> easily confused color object.  The ability to read bright LEDs means 
> indicators can now be read correctly.  It is easy to hang in a closet or keep 
> in a pocket for when it is needed!
> 
> Young children learning their colors
> 
> Children love the Rainbow II Color Reader! 
> Give them one, and they will spend the next hour reading the colors of 
> everything in the house. To make learning colors even more fun, we have 
> "Snowy's Colorful Rainbow Adventure" a booklet with a small story to see and 
> read, touch colorful felt shapes and hear the colors spoken by the Rainbow II 
> Color Reader.  For more information, please click here.
> 
> Simple to use
> 
> Firmly place an article flat against the small plastic window on the right 
> side of the front of the Rainbow Color Reader, then press the red arrowhead 
> button below the window on the top.  The Rainbow Color Reader will then read 
> the color of the material.
> 
> Reads lights and bright LEDs!
> 
> If you hold the window up to a bright LED or other light, it will indicate 
> the color of the light.
> 
> Four Volume Levels
> 
> If you hold down the button for three seconds after it reads a color, it will 
> say a number indicating the next volume level.
> 
> If you find a color that does not read correctly, please contact Edmondson 
> Engineering at (760) 329-0282.  We are always seeking to improve the Rainbow 
> II and welcome all questions and comments.
> 
> Small! only 1.6 in. wide, 2.6 in. long, .6 in. thick
> 
> Convenient Key Chain on a multi-colored ribbon
> 
> One AAA battery, included
> 
> There are over 40 different colors:
> 
> Lite Red, Red, Dark Red, Orange Red, Lite Orange, Orange, Dark Orange, Yellow 
> Gold, Gold, Lite Yellow, Yellow, Lite Green, Green, Dark Green, Blue Green, 
> Dark Blue Green, Lite Blue, Blue, Dark Blue, Navy Blue, Lite Purple, Purple, 
> Dark Purple, Very Dark Purple, Lite Pink, Pink, Dark Pink, Lite Beige, Beige, 
> Dark Beige, Brown, Dark Brown, White, Dark White, Lite Gray, Blue Gray, 
> Purple Gray, Green Gray, Gray, Dark Gray, Very Dark Gray, Black
> 
> Also Reads Lights and Bright LEDs:
> 
> White Light, Red Light, Orange Light, Yellow Light, Green Light, Blue Light, 
> Purple Light
> 
> To change the AAA battery, just slide the battery cover back towards the 
> ribbon and key ring. 
> The battery goes in with the button end (positive) of the battery towards the 
> ribbon.
> 
> THE NEW RAINBOW II COLOR READER HAS A FOUR MONTH WARRANTY.
> 
> It will be replaced with a new rainbow color reader at any time during the 
> four months, and all postage will be paid.
> 
> ​​ Up to a year after purchase the unit may be sent back and repaired with 
> all postage paid by the user.
> 
> If the unit has been immersed in water, physically damaged, or the 
> electronics inside the unit have been tampered with, then this warranty is 
> null and void
> 
> Battery replacement is not covered by this warranty
> 
> DISCLAIMER
> : The Rainbow II Color Reader is intended as a tool to assist in the 
> determination of the 

Re: color identifier app

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Lois,
Which one do you have? The rainbow or the other one?
Thanks so much, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 8 Feb 2017, at 10:01, Lois Butterfield <lbutterfield...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> 
> Yes, it will.  I use it on my washer dial to tell me which light is lit.  I 
> just wish it came to more of a point.  The end of it is about an inch and a 
> half by a half inch, and the lens is in the middle, indented.
> 
> I absolutely love it for identifying colors and have had it for years.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -----Original Message- From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 4:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: color identifier app
> 
> Richard,
> Will the colourino or the rainbow tell you the colour and/or the flashing 
> status of LEDs?
> Thanks, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 7 Feb 2017, at 14:07, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In the world of standalone color identifiers, yes the Colorino is very good. 
>>  Also the Rainbow 2 by Emerson Electronics is also very good for basic 
>> colors and costs about $50 less than the Colorino.
>> 
>> However, if you want to know if your shirt has a pattern, you will need 
>> either sighted assistance or use an app like iDentifi or TapTapSee.
>> 
>> They will usually also tell you that it is blue, white, red, green flowers 
>> or whatever.
>> Granted, the color accuracy with the iPhone camera is not as good as the 
>> stand alone devices, but it can get you roughly in the ball park.
>> 
>> If you truly want accurate color identification you will have to have a 
>> sighted person assist you in labelling the clothes in some form.
>> Digit-Eyes makes great labels that can be sown into a garment and you can 
>> record as detailed a description as you like, but that is fairly time 
>> intensive.
>> 
>> This is all up to each person's level of detail they wish to know.
>> 
>> I have to admit, while I test all these things for clients, I cheat and just 
>> have my sighted wife tell me what something is and whether they go together. 
>>  What can I say, I'm lazy, grin.
>> 
>> If I was on my own again, I would go the Digit-Eyes label route or cut my 
>> wardrobe back to what it was in my single days where everything matched so 
>> it didn't matter.  I figure since my wife wanted me to dress in more colors, 
>> it is her job to keep things straight, ha, ha.
>> 
>> Later,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:52 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: color identifier app
>> 
>> The best option is still a good old stand-alone colour identifier like the 
>> Colorino, it does I think 150 colours, but it speaks them as understandable 
>> colours and not like whatever weird names they come up with like the one you 
>> mentioned. The Colorino will say maybe "Intensive Red" or something like 
>> that, but pretty clear what it means and much more reliable than anything 
>> you can get for the iPhone. They do also seem to last since I had mine for 
>> probably 15 years and all I ever do is to replace the batteries maybe once a 
>> year.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mike Ulrich
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: color identifier app
>> 
>> Which color identifying app will announce basic primary colors?
>> I've tried apps that announce colors like: Royal Canadian Mist".
>> So what color is that?
>> See what I'm saying?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: color identifier app
>> 
>> 
>> also iDentifi does a good job. but you need to know that none of them are 
>> going to be anywhere near what a sighted person sees, especially with 
>> patterns or different shades.
>> But either app, TapTapSee or iDentifi will be close, depending on lighting 
>> of course.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside 

Re: color identifier app

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Will the colourino or the rainbow tell you the colour and/or the flashing 
status of LEDs?
Thanks, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 7 Feb 2017, at 14:07, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> In the world of standalone color identifiers, yes the Colorino is very good.  
> Also the Rainbow 2 by Emerson Electronics is also very good for basic colors 
> and costs about $50 less than the Colorino.
> 
> However, if you want to know if your shirt has a pattern, you will need 
> either sighted assistance or use an app like iDentifi or TapTapSee.
> 
> They will usually also tell you that it is blue, white, red, green flowers or 
> whatever.
> Granted, the color accuracy with the iPhone camera is not as good as the 
> stand alone devices, but it can get you roughly in the ball park.
> 
> If you truly want accurate color identification you will have to have a 
> sighted person assist you in labelling the clothes in some form.
> Digit-Eyes makes great labels that can be sown into a garment and you can 
> record as detailed a description as you like, but that is fairly time 
> intensive.
> 
> This is all up to each person's level of detail they wish to know.
> 
> I have to admit, while I test all these things for clients, I cheat and just 
> have my sighted wife tell me what something is and whether they go together.  
> What can I say, I'm lazy, grin.
> 
> If I was on my own again, I would go the Digit-Eyes label route or cut my 
> wardrobe back to what it was in my single days where everything matched so it 
> didn't matter.  I figure since my wife wanted me to dress in more colors, it 
> is her job to keep things straight, ha, ha.
> 
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier app
> 
> The best option is still a good old stand-alone colour identifier like the 
> Colorino, it does I think 150 colours, but it speaks them as understandable 
> colours and not like whatever weird names they come up with like the one you 
> mentioned. The Colorino will say maybe "Intensive Red" or something like 
> that, but pretty clear what it means and much more reliable than anything you 
> can get for the iPhone. They do also seem to last since I had mine for 
> probably 15 years and all I ever do is to replace the batteries maybe once a 
> year.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Ulrich
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: color identifier app
> 
> Which color identifying app will announce basic primary colors?
> I've tried apps that announce colors like: Royal Canadian Mist".
> So what color is that?
> See what I'm saying?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: color identifier app
> 
> 
> also iDentifi does a good job. but you need to know that none of them are 
> going to be anywhere near what a sighted person sees, especially with 
> patterns or different shades.
> But either app, TapTapSee or iDentifi will be close, depending on lighting of 
> course.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." - Terry Pratchett
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:13 PM, "dollar...@gmail.com"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it is Tap Tap See.  It is free with unlimited for now.  Hope this help 
>> you.  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:04 PM, Wayne Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there a free and very accessible color identifier app out there?
>>> 
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