Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

[Davy Cuppens]

But for that I must say Richard is also right.
This posting was about beta and should have been discussed before first with 
the mods of this group. In that point I agree with everyone not liking this 
kind of post.
But please folks do report your problems with Apple and it is good to 
mention it on forums and if bugs are confirmed by others! Please do report 
to accessibility if you want change.

Davy

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From: Richard Turner

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully 
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org


At the risk of stepping on toes, all of you who are publicly criticizing 
CrazyEyez are violating the same list rule to write the moderator directly, 
instead of posting to the list.
Perhaps the moderator, Mark Taylor, will come back to moderating or appoint 
someone else to do so.


I am simply going to try to mute this thread as it is no longer useful.
Yes, I am doing this publicly but I don't have time to write each individual 
to ask them to cease this nonsense.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully 
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org


Exactly right Christopher.

As crazyeyez says below, people are dumb.  This is true of people like him 
or her who insult others over a petition they haven't even bothered to read 
for themselves.


Sherry Wells

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Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully 
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org


If you're truly concerned about posts and traffic on this list, I'd 
encourage you to follow the moderators request at the bottom of every post 
to this list, namely " If you have any questions or concerns about the 
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I read the petition myself, and I didn't see where the petitioner did 
anything dumb or stupid. They were bringing up the point that Apple had such 
a serious VoiceOver bug in the beta that a blind person couldn't 
participate. Did you read the petition yourself or were you just basing your 
opinion on what someone said about the petition?


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Chaltain at Gmail


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
CrazyEyez
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

Honestly, people are dumb.
They'll start a petition over anything, even if its their fault something 
happened.

I don't feel bad for you in the least.
We should start a petition to remove the idiot who started this whole
mess from the list so they don't clog our emails with their wining.
Moderator remove this garbage thread please.
It shows true stupidity.
Where has the comprehension gone?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Donna Casteen 
wrote:
>
> I can't believe such a petition was started!!臘‍♀️ This
> petition was started
because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER
install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main
device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update &
installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they RELY on &
USE daily!  Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The fact that
Apple is a company that stands behind their products making them
accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does NOT
exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this bug 
prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing 
process.

Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple
watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the bug.
Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing
the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the
public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing
Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong.
The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor
judgement decided to install the 

Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org

[Davy Cuppens]

Thats the whole problem of the blind community sit back and relax! And do 
nothing! Moan and complain about bugs on forums for the blind and for the 
rest DO NOTHING Nothing at all!
I live in Belgium and 3 of the most read newspapers in Flanders are totally 
100% inaccessible with voiceover!!! Whenever you open an article the app 
will close when using voiceover.


I am the only blind chap that lodged a complaint against the app 
distributors but standing alone I can do nothing, therefore I urge people on 
the list not to tell but even bomb bomb and bomb again Apples's servers with 
our accessibility  bug reports!


I have called an Apple employee about the brail bug that when typing numbers 
and hearing voiceover speaking other signs or the bug with the phone trying 
to unlock the screen when listening to music with wired earpads, they got 
very few reports about that.
For those so I guess 97% of the community being reluctant to report errors 
I'd advice maybe to buy a perkins brail machine again for typing purposes 
and an abacus as a calculator.

Davy
Davy
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From: Peter Logan

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully 
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org


Can't agree more .. I also installed the beta .. without reading the release 
notes .. so it's on me .. not Apple ..  and I will wait for it to get fixed 
..  I'm not going to scream and holler at Apple for my stupidity .. 
Everyone needs to just relax ..  Until this go around .. there wasn't even a 
Watch beta ..




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 2:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully 
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org


I can't believe such a petition was started!!臘‍♀️ This petition was 
started because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER 
install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main device! 
Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update & installed the beta 
version on their Apple watch that they RELY on & USE daily!  Beta versions 
of any program WILL have bugs. The fact that Apple is a company that stands 
behind their products making them accessible for the blind & those with 
other disabilities, does NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from 
having bugs. Nor does this bug prevent those who are blind taking part in 
the public beta testing process. Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug 
Associated with ALL Apple watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with 
Apple watches of the bug. Apple also informed voiceover users that they were 
working on fixing the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could 
participate in the public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & 
criticizing Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is 
wrong. The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor 
judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is used 
daily.


It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's beta 
testing program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices 
would always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is a large 
company. The population that is blind & who use Apple products is very 
small. If this type of placing blame where it is obvious it does not belong 
& publically criticizing Apple for something that  at the time was out of 
their control, but Apple was working toward fixing: Apple is in the end 
going to do 1 of 2 things 1. No longer let blind users participate in the 
beta testing process. Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 
2. Apple throws in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products 
accessible for such a small population of people. Neither of these scenarios 
are in the best interest of blind iDevice users.


When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT complain 
when your device stops working!


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Re: Using the stereo microphones on the iPhone

[Davy Cuppens]

Apple is lagging far far behind of Android here, the most cheap huawei 
phones do have very good stereo recorders for audio into their phones.


Please do all write Apple about this, don't think others will do it do it 
yourself and DO IT NOW!

Davy

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From: Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 10:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using the stereo microphones on the iPhone

If I could use stereo microphones on the iPhone, I wonder how that
would improve my recordings with Dolby on.  I'm very surprised at how
good they came out with whatever mike is on my iPhone 8.

On 8/3/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
The new SE 2020 does, and I think at least the XR if not all the X's and 
the

11's.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
Edward

Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Anna

Dresner
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:12 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Using the stereo microphones on the iPhone

Hi,

I believe this is a feature in iOS 14. I'm not sure which iPhones have
stereo microphones, so I don't know whether I can test it though.

Best,
Anna



On Aug 3, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Juan Mojena  wrote:

That's really a shame. I will write Apple accessibility or is it Apple
directly to allow the use of the stereo microphones with audio
applications.  I wonder how good those microphones are? Because there are
certainly a lot of microphones on the market.

Juan




On Aug 3, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Richard Turner 
wrote:

Apple does not allow it for anything but video.
Please write Apple Accessibility and request that they allow it for 
audio

recording.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Juan Mojena
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using the stereo microphones on the iPhone

Has anyone been able to use  the stereo microphones on any app other 
than

the video recorder on the iPhone 10 or 11?

Thanks
Juan

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I want to share a weird experience in pairing new bt devices on an iphone

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

A friend of mine gave me an advice to buy the Novodio Travel AZERTY keyboard 
this keyboard is made especially for France or Belgium. And so I did but I 
couldn’t pair the device whatever I tried. Reset the keyboard, reset network 
settings on my phone...

Then I decided to giva it a shot on my old 5s and guess what, it paired 
immediately without any problem. 

Then, I decided to delete all my bt devices on my iphone XR manually. There was 
a weird problem. I have a brailnote touch which I even could not delete the 
button to do so was greyed. So I decide to pair that device and after 
sucesfsful pairing I could delete it from my phone and now guess what, after 
turning bt off and on my Novodio keyboard was recognised immediately and I 
could simply pair the device which is now working properly for typing into my 
iphone.
Any ideas what kwirk this is?

the keyboard is a nice foldable onwe which is very small to even take into your 
pocket or jacket when folded.
Davy 

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Re: Shortwave radio

[Davy Cuppens]

Richard 

There is still a lot going on, different countries especially in the east of 
Europe and the middle east are stil present on shortwave like radio Rumenia 
Turky and many propaganda broadcasting stations in Russia and especially China.
Last month I even bought myself a portable shortwave radio XHDATA808 from 
Radiowow with Amazon and it is a very good receiver and quite accessible with 
tactyle push buttons and even a turning knob at the side to set finetuning and 
frequency increnments. You can even listen to air band and fm in stereo with 
headphones. 
But do’'n’t ask me questions here because this is an Apple list/ 
Davy 
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Shortwave radio

I know the BBC has pretty much stopped all their short wave broadcasting in 
favor of internet radio.

Several formerly shortwave broadcasts like radio free Moscow and such are on 
TuneIn as well.

There are also a couple of Russian language channels for anyone who speaks 
Russian, which I don’t.

I believe lots of countries have switched to internet radio.

.I have a short wave receiver and stopped hunting for stations a few years ago 
because there isn’t much on there.

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio

 

I also like Tune In. Sadly many countries have stopped their shortwave 
broadcasts in English, but TuneIn will offer streamed broadcasts as well. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates

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  On Jul 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

   My favorite is TuneIn Radio. 

   

   

   

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:42 AM, regina alvarado  
wrote:

Hi, What is the best and most accessible app to listen to radio from other 
countries? Thanks for any help with this.

Reggie Alvarado 

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Re: Shortwave radio

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi list 

If you really want to listen to shortwave online you can do that with so called 
web sdr websites or apps.
Regards
Davy

From: Pete Nalda 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio

I also like Tune In. Sadly many countries have stopped their shortwave 
broadcasts in English, but TuneIn will offer streamed broadcasts as well. 


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   My favorite is TuneIn Radio. 







  Richard
  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:42 AM, regina alvarado  
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Hi, What is the best and most accessible app to listen to radio from other 
countries? Thanks for any help with this.

Reggie Alvarado 

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Re: one new bug in ios13.6

[Davy Cuppens]

Thanx Richard I will try that later on this evening, my setting there now is 
"do nothing". In formertimes it was edit pitch.


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From: Richard Turner

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 6:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

There is a new setting in VoiceOver, Audio, Sounds, Boundary reached.
You can toggle that sound off there.

Before you do that, what exactly is your setting under VoiceOver, Verbosity, 
Deleting text?





Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: one new bug in ios13.6

It is making that bonk sound in overall situations in my phone when editing 
text, in whatsapp, messages, ...


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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

It is the sound when you say get to the last app on your screen and flick 
right with one finger.

It means VoiceOver cannot go any further.

You may also get this if you are trying to type where there is no edit 
field.


But, I found one situation where I heard the sound when in an Email to field 
and had typed a wrong letter.  When I backspaced it made that bonk sound, 
but that is the one and only place where I've heard that when backspacing.

Anywhere else when editing, it says the letter I am backspacing over.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

Davy,

I'm not sure what you mean by bong sound?!

Can you explain this issue better,

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2020 12:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: one new bug in ios13.6

Hi folks

I have restarted and then reset my phone and now the keyboard visibility bug 
has gone but I still have the bonk sound bug which has been reported over 
and over on accessibility groups on facebook.

Davy

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From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi Davy,

I believe I have seen on another list I'm on, many users repoportting the 
braille issue you speak of.


I'm not a braille user but I'm sure I've seen that reported by a number of 
folks out there, And I thought reported it was corrected in Ios 13.6 but 
maybe that wasin a later report .




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi folks

I noticed 2 bugs I cannot understand while so many beta testers did not 
report this issue.


When typing text and deleting a character, you hear the bonk sound which is 
not a pleasant thing.


When typing brail with a brail device the shortcut to bring forward the 
virtual keyboard space dot146 is bugging and will only hide the keyboard 
with my iphone XR 64 GB.


The bonk sound when proceding to another paragraph or deleting signs has 
been confirmed by many users on accessibility facebook groups.


Davy

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From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

No problem with it that I can at this point find And I'm running it on my 
iPad as well as a phone.


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From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

hi,
Are people having any regrets about upgrading to iOS 13.6?
Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: one new bug in ios13.6

[Davy Cuppens]

It is making that bonk sound in overall situations in my phone when editing 
text, in whatsapp, messages, ...


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

It is the sound when you say get to the last app on your screen and flick 
right with one finger.

It means VoiceOver cannot go any further.

You may also get this if you are trying to type where there is no edit 
field.


But, I found one situation where I heard the sound when in an Email to field 
and had typed a wrong letter.  When I backspaced it made that bonk sound, 
but that is the one and only place where I've heard that when backspacing.

Anywhere else when editing, it says the letter I am backspacing over.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

Davy,

I'm not sure what you mean by bong sound?!

Can you explain this issue better,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2020 12:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: one new bug in ios13.6

Hi folks

I have restarted and then reset my phone and now the keyboard visibility bug 
has gone but I still have the bonk sound bug which has been reported over 
and over on accessibility groups on facebook.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi Davy,

I believe I have seen on another list I'm on, many users repoportting the 
braille issue you speak of.


I'm not a braille user but I'm sure I've seen that reported by a number of 
folks out there, And I thought reported it was corrected in Ios 13.6 but 
maybe that wasin a later report .




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi folks

I noticed 2 bugs I cannot understand while so many beta testers did not 
report this issue.


When typing text and deleting a character, you hear the bonk sound which is 
not a pleasant thing.


When typing brail with a brail device the shortcut to bring forward the 
virtual keyboard space dot146 is bugging and will only hide the keyboard 
with my iphone XR 64 GB.


The bonk sound when proceding to another paragraph or deleting signs has 
been confirmed by many users on accessibility facebook groups.


Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

No problem with it that I can at this point find And I'm running it on my 
iPad as well as a phone.


-Original Message-
From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

hi,
Are people having any regrets about upgrading to iOS 13.6?
Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: one new bug in ios13.6

[Davy Cuppens]

Sorry but this trick does not resolve the bonk sound bug. You always get the 
tok sound when deleting text at the end of a phrase. It has been reported 
over and over again.


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From: chalt...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

If you go into Accessibility -> VoiceOver -> Verbosity do you have deleting 
text set to play sound? This will result in hearing a ping when you delete 
text.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: one new bug in ios13.6

Davy,

I'm not sure what you mean by bong sound?!

 Can you explain this issue better,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2020 12:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: one new bug in ios13.6

Hi folks

I have restarted and then reset my phone and now the keyboard visibility 
bug
has gone but I still have the bonk sound bug which has been reported over 
and

over on accessibility groups on facebook.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi Davy,

I believe I have seen on another list I'm on, many users repoportting the 
braille

issue you speak of.

I'm not a braille user but I'm sure I've seen that reported by a number of 
folks
out there, And I thought reported it was corrected in Ios 13.6 but maybe 
that

wasin a later report .



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi folks

I noticed 2 bugs I cannot understand while so many beta testers did not 
report

this issue.

When typing text and deleting a character, you hear the bonk sound which 
is not

a pleasant thing.

When typing brail with a brail device the shortcut to bring forward the 
virtual

keyboard space dot146 is bugging and will only hide the keyboard with my
iphone XR 64 GB.

The bonk sound when proceding to another paragraph or deleting signs has
been confirmed by many users on accessibility facebook groups.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

No problem with it that I can at this point find And I'm running it on my 
iPad as

well as a phone.

-Original Message-
From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

hi,
Are people having any regrets about upgrading to iOS 13.6?
Thanks in advance, Keith

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Hi folks

I have restarted and then reset my phone and now the keyboard visibility bug 
has gone but I still have the bonk sound bug which has been reported over 
and over on accessibility groups on facebook.

Davy

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From: Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi Davy,

I believe I have seen on another list I'm on, many users repoportting the 
braille issue you speak of.


I'm not a braille user but I'm sure I've seen that reported by a number of 
folks out there,
And I thought reported it was corrected in Ios 13.6 but maybe that wasin a 
later report .




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Cuppens

Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

Hi folks

I noticed 2 bugs I cannot understand while so many beta testers did not 
report this issue.


When typing text and deleting a character, you hear the bonk sound which is 
not a pleasant thing.


When typing brail with a brail device the shortcut to bring forward the 
virtual keyboard space dot146 is bugging and will only hide the keyboard 
with my iphone XR 64 GB.


The bonk sound when proceding to another paragraph or deleting signs has 
been confirmed by many users on accessibility facebook groups.


Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

No problem with it that I can at this point find And I'm running it on my 
iPad as well as a phone.


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Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 9:56 AM
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Subject: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

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Re: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks

I noticed 2 bugs I cannot understand while so many beta testers did not 
report this issue.


When typing text and deleting a character, you hear the bonk sound which is 
not a pleasant thing.


When typing brail with a brail device the shortcut to bring forward the 
virtual keyboard space dot146 is bugging and will only hide the keyboard 
with my iphone XR 64 GB.


The bonk sound when proceding to another paragraph or deleting signs has 
been confirmed by many users on accessibility facebook groups.


Davy

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From: Simon A Fogarty

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

No problem with it that I can at this point find
And I'm running it on my iPad as well as a phone.

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From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 9:56 AM
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Subject: is iOS 13.6 safe for an upgrade?

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Are people having any regrets about upgrading to iOS 13.6?
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Davy Cuppens]

Where they unable to fix it or rather reluctant to do so? I fear the last.
Maybe because too few visually impaired people make reports to Apple about 
our bugs.


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Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

Mary,

I'd be very surprised if iOS 14 corrects the native Mail app focus issue if 
they were unable to correct it through the multiple iterations of iOS 13. 
Fortunately, Outlook for iOS is working great for me and doesn't have the 
focus issue so I'm done with the native Mail app.


Alan Lemly

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Subject: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That�s 
not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don�t 
announce. I haven�t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
bug and email would be my number one, and that�s not a new problem.

Mary

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Re: Any thoughts, on the latest iOS update 13.5.1?

[Davy Cuppens]

If so, please then do report the focus bug issues again and again to Apple as a 
beta user.

From: Simon A Fogarty 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Any thoughts, on the latest iOS update 13.5.1?

I’ve updated both work and personal devices,

 

My personal device is running the public beta 

 

Neither I’ve noticed anything majorily differences.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any thoughts, on the latest iOS update 13.5.1?

 

 

Hi, Still on 13.5.

 

Not updated to 13.5.1 as yet.

 

Anyone updated, and what are your thoughts?

 

Dave.

 

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Re: YouTube and VoiceOver

[Davy Cuppens]

This accessibility feature is broken.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Duane Steele

Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: YouTube and VoiceOver

Hello Listers,

When watching a video on youTube, with voiceOver, how can i skik backward 
and forward, or return to the beginning. When I go to the track position, 
and swipe up or down with one finger as in other video APPS, the position of 
the video is adjusted, but not in YouTube. Is there a gesture I haven't 
found specific to YouTube? Thanks for any help on this.



Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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Re: Youtube app

[Davy Cuppens]

Richard it is accessible, however not completely.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube app

It is completely accessible.
Try rebooting your phone.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.



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Buys

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Subject: Youtube app

Hello list
I installed the youtube app (not the youtube music app) but it seems to be 
inaccessible. All I can read with voiceOver is the section of the screen 
with the date and battery status. Is there a trick to get the app to open 
further or is it just inaccessible?

Regards
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Re: Broken time adjustment in YouTube app

[Davy Cuppens]

I can confirm this bug and guess what, reported it to Youtube. 

Jennie also a big like for you and hopefully dozens of other reports of other 
members here.
Davy 

From: Jennie Facer 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Broken time adjustment in YouTube app

Hi all, 

I just reported the issue to YouTube. I am on an 11 Pro Max. Thanks.

Jenn


Jenn and Kumi


  On May 23, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Jeff Samco  wrote:


   Recently I have found when using YouTube with Voiceover on my iPhone SE 
first gen that the track position time selector is broken. I find that flicking 
down moves forward in a video. So both Flicking up and down both advance the 
time position. I cannot find a gesture that works to go back. I have 
uninstalled & reinstalled the app and restarted the phone but with the same 
result. Is anyone else experiencing this?

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Re: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug accessibil...@apple.com

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard 

Thanx for your reply.

I found this phrase in an old document from Applevis:

• You cannot use the VoiceOver rotor to navigate by line when composing an 
email in the Mail app.

This bug is still present here. Glad for you not having this issue but I can 
confirm it and reported it to Apple. Put the device on/off, hard reset done all 
that. In all other circumstances reading line by line is working just fine here.
Davy 
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug 
accessibil...@apple.com

No issues here at all with dictating a bunch of text in an email and reviewing 
it character by character, word by word or line by line.

I was able to move back and forward through the text in my subject field which 
said “This is a test using dictation” as well as in the message body where I 
just dictated a bunch of stuff which included inserting new lines, new 
paragraphs and so on.

If you reported this as a bug already before posting it here, then this is one 
example, Davy, where maybe posting it here first would have been a good idea. I 
don’t know why you can’t turn your rotor to words or lines after you dictate 
your text and then move through it, but I use dictation all the time and in no 
version of iOS 13 was it an issue to review my text this way afterwards. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug 
accessibil...@apple.com

 

Davy,

 

You can read line by line using that Rotor action in Outlook for iOS.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS




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Cuppens 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:04:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug 
accessibil...@apple.com 

 

Hi folks 

 

If you want to read mail text line by line, this is broken in ios13. F.E. 
supposing you have been dictating and want to correct your own written tekst, 
you only can read character by character, word by word but not line by line 
which is a much faster and more convenient way to review text.

 

As ios13.5 has just come out, it is justified to report this issue again if you 
had already done that.

Regards

Davy

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Re: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug accessibil...@apple.com

[Davy Cuppens]

There is no problem in turning the rotor into lines but as I flick up or down 
to read line by line, I only hear the tok sound. And for sure I knew that this 
bug had been mentioned before in the update cycle of ios13.
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug 
accessibil...@apple.com

No issues here at all with dictating a bunch of text in an email and reviewing 
it character by character, word by word or line by line.

I was able to move back and forward through the text in my subject field which 
said “This is a test using dictation” as well as in the message body where I 
just dictated a bunch of stuff which included inserting new lines, new 
paragraphs and so on.

If you reported this as a bug already before posting it here, then this is one 
example, Davy, where maybe posting it here first would have been a good idea. I 
don’t know why you can’t turn your rotor to words or lines after you dictate 
your text and then move through it, but I use dictation all the time and in no 
version of iOS 13 was it an issue to review my text this way afterwards. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug 
accessibil...@apple.com

 

Davy,

 

You can read line by line using that Rotor action in Outlook for iOS.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS




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Cuppens 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:04:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug 
accessibil...@apple.com 

 

Hi folks 

 

If you want to read mail text line by line, this is broken in ios13. F.E. 
supposing you have been dictating and want to correct your own written tekst, 
you only can read character by character, word by word but not line by line 
which is a much faster and more convenient way to review text.

 

As ios13.5 has just come out, it is justified to report this issue again if you 
had already done that.

Regards

Davy

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Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

[Davy Cuppens]

Alan and Dave 

Indeed, this is a very secure option to turn automatic updates off because some 
apps temporarily become very inaccessible after an update. However, for 
security reasons when no problems are reported, make sure to update your apps 
on a regular basic even if you do it manually, especially for banking apps.
Davy 

From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

I agree with Dave. I never turn on automatic app updates on my iPhone and I'm 
told how many app updates I have when focus is on the App store icon on my home 
screen.

Alan Lemly 

Get Outlook for iOS



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Dave 

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:21:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available 

You shouldn’t have to have automatic updates on, To show in the app store.

My phone will say there are so many updates available. Then i go in to the app 
store, and do a 3 finger swipe down, to refresh the page, which can bring up 
even more, if they are available.

Then i double tap, on the update all button.

Dave.


From: Marie 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

Check to see if automatic updates is on. Sometimes these settings just get 
changed when the IOS updates are installed.

From: Mike B. 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:37 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

Hi All,

With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates voiceover is 
not reporting there are updates when I touch the App Store icon on the Home 
Screen.  I have the App store turned on in Notifications and in Siri 
suggestions.  What am I missing?  How do I get Voiceover to report when there 
are available updates?  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet. 

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Re: New SE slight concern

[Davy Cuppens]

Try toggling vo on and off and if it doesn’t help, do a phone hard reset. You 
won’t lose any data or settings.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New SE slight concern

I have not noticed that with BARD, Voice Dream, music, or anything else. 
How many other apps are open?
Are there specific apps?



Richard
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just stops you from enjoying the good."



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  On May 23, 2020, at 6:08 AM, Ian Harrison  wrote:


  Hi all,

  Very happy with my new SE, but have one slight concern. I use the two finger 
double tap to pause and resume audio in various apps and it is much slower to 
respond than with my 6S. So much so that I sometimes do it again thinking I did 
the tap badly. It then catches up and reverses the original action.

  Anyone else having this slow response?

  Thanks in advance
  Ian

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join me to report one remaining native e-mail bug accessibil...@apple.com

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

If you want to read mail text line by line, this is broken in ios13. F.E. 
supposing you have been dictating and want to correct your own written tekst, 
you only can read character by character, word by word but not line by line 
which is a much faster and more convenient way to review text.

As ios13.5 has just come out, it is justified to report this issue again if you 
had already done that.
Regards
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost the 
whole blind community.
I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contact 
with many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report the 
same. Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposals 
to make things better.


Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did so 
before with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.


I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood for 
burglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspicious 
things but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really 
90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report to 
Apple. First report to Apple then report us.


Davy



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: chalt...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on this 
list doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk about 
an issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't remember 
the last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threatening 
to go to Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post since 
it just doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they move 
from one to another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people from 
talking about bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs to 
Apple, it's also good for the community to talk about bugs and learn from 
each other how to work around such bugs while waiting for Apple to address 
these bugs. It's also perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Apple 
when a bug is reported and yet still hangs around without being addressed 
release after release. As important as smart phones are to everyone these 
days, and given how much we pay for our iPhones, we have the right to ask 
for long standing bugs to be addressed. We're no different then our sighted 
peers in this respect.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes
(grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remaining 
bug
every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are only 
moaning and
complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are all 
liking
so much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply live 
with
it or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigning 
attitude

of 90% of the vips on earth.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus

issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should

write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I 
hear
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats 
wanting
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on 
anyone

whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this 
situation

is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
team each time a new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
that are made and point those improvements out.

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was 
on

such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people 
who

might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fighters 
planes (grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every 
remaining bug every 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that 
are only moaning and complaining here, then do nothing and stay with your 
bugs that you are all liking so much. And please stop moaning and 
complaining about them simply live with it or go to android. I'm so fed up 
with that extremely lefty and resigning attitude of 90% of the vips on 
earth.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody 
should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


I'm with you though, Lynn.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Lynn White

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action 
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.


I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.


There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out 
problems witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation 
is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible 
team each time a new major update happens.


It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements 
that are made and point those improvements out.


I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.


I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 
3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.


So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report 
it now and let’s say every week again and again!


Davy

From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?


Hi Allen,

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.


I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.


And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes 
out.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:





Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an 
e-mail.


Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:






Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com 
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>








Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.






From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?




Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.




So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?




Thanks for any direction.



Kim









On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:




Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.

So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report it 
now and let’s say every week again and again!

Davy 

From: Lynn White 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Hi Allen, 

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


  On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


   
  Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

  Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 
Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





  On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

  

  Hi List,

   

  I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails 
in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on 
which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better 
with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while 
focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping 
to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

   

  Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.

   

  Thanks in advance for your comments.

   

  Alan Lemly

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Re: Applevis blog about iOS 13.5

[Davy Cuppens]

So report accessibil...@apple.com on and on and on again.
If no one does Apple will not or nolonger classify this as a bug.
Davy 

From: Robin Frost 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Applevis blog about iOS 13.5

Hi,

Well it's now on all 3 of my devices 2 public release one which has beta 
profile. All now say #iOS13.5 and I still have the on going issue of #VoiceOver 
not speaking the name of the contact which populates the to field when 
composing a new message. How terribly disappointing.

Robin




On 5/20/2020 1:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

  Apple Releases iOS 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5 With Exposure Notification API and 
Face Mask Detection for Face ID
  Submitted by AppleVis on 20 May, 2020



  Apple has today released iOS 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5 to the public, with 
Exposure Notification API, faster Face ID unlocking when wearing a face mask, a 
new option to automatically share selected health data with emergency services, 
and more.

  Bug Fixes for Blind and Low Vision Users in iOS 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5
  Our testing suggests that the following pre-existing accessibility bugs have 
been resolved in iOS 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5:

  ·Temporary banners now 
correctly disappear after a few seconds.

  ·VoiceOver no longer wrongly 
reports some blocks of text as being editable text fields.

  ·Apple appears to have made 
some improvements to the bug which prevented websites from inverting colors 
when both Dark Mode and Smart Invert are enabled. Our testing suggests that 
there are still instances when websites will not invert.

  At the time of writing, we are unaware of any new bugs for blind or low 
vision users in today's releases. However, as we always stress, we can make no 
claims on the completeness or accuracy of our testing. We are only a small 
team, and it is simply impossible for us to test all devices, configurations, 
applications, and use cases. Accordingly, to help us ensure that the 
information on this page is as complete and accurate as possible, please let us 
know in the comments of any fixes; enhancements; or regressions that you find 
in your own use of iOS 13.5 or iPadOS 13.5.

  General Changes in iOS 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5
  ·iOS 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5 
include Apple and Google’s new Exposure Notification API for COVID-19 contact 
tracing: Take a first look at Apple and Google's ambitious new COVID-19 contact 
tracing technology that will send you a notification if you were near someone 
who has the coronavirus

  ·Face ID can now detect if 
you’re wearing a mask and skip directly to the passcode screen if so: Apple 
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Re: iOS 13.5 is NOT released.

[Davy Cuppens]

Kelly

I am sorry but there is no need to be afraid to talk about public betas as 
Apple itselves is spreading them to the public just to prevent bugs.
Kayman is a betatester and maybe he is afraid to tell us but by telling us 
ios13.5 is out, he admitted he is one but he does not commit a crime with 
saying this. It is good that there are testers like Kayman on this list.

davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Kelly Pierce

Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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It is not general release software yet. The list rules do not allow
for discussion of beta software or operating systems. It angers Apple
greatly.

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On 5/19/20, deidre muccio  wrote:

I don't know how  the beta testing works, andI hope this time around that
the dictation functions with and without Siri, editing and writing 
functions
and the rotor are manually not strictly with Bluetooth or braille 
keyboards

are thoroughly tested in all kinds of apps from Safari to   various mail
programs and so onin regard to these sorts of things I find voiceover very
inconsistent. some of the old dictation corks are also still there such as
when you dictate a message it puts the sameline in numerous times. Part of
that may have to do with dictation  being designed to only take a few 
lines
of textDdictated in a mail message or text message. That's my guess 
anyway.

i'm wondering if the rotor and 13.4.1 is also designed to be used
differently because it no longer functions the way it once did. And it's 
not

accurate where it says it it is when you just turned it to words maybe you
get lines and when you try and… it's it's crazy.
is there a typical length of time in which this testing goes on?Who
qualifies as a beta Who qualifies as a beta tester? Someone who knows the
iOS inside out I would imagine. Many of you are  very good at that.
I have nothing to lose by updating the new SE with any new update  since I
find these functions have been greatly impacted negatively in 13 4.1 and
wont update the 6S which is functioning better to even 13.4.1. i'm pretty
tired of what I'll just call the cursor putting things where it's not
actually saying it is like the D as the first letter of my name which I
typed in followed by the other characters which ones up at the end of the
word for some reason. And other things like that continually happen.
my new keyboard hasn't arrived yet but Kayce did. So it's definitely not 
the

same size as Son a normal desktop PC keyboard but that doesn't necessarily
indicate how big the keys are going to be. I haven't measured those on my
desktop and thank you Richard for doing that on yours. But I'm sure I'll 
be
quite happy with it. I see that a logitech 500 is also out, I hadn't 
noticed

that when I purchased the 480. That's new or been out there for a while
already. I didn't bother to look at the specs since I already purchased a
keyboard.

deidre




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Re: iOS 13.5 is not released.

[Davy Cuppens]

For sure they are and if not they are even not aware. They are betatester or 
developers and really if not, spreading fake news. But I don't think they 
spread fake news for purpose so they must have a dev or beta profile on 
their phones because it really is true it has been released for devs.
That is like I will start a posting! Hi you guys I've just bought the new 
iphone 12 and it has arrived with a lot of new features and specs. Not true 
I am just joking.
Ios13.5 will come out when Apple is releasing it. And that is not now. Apple 
will never tell the public.


Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Simon A Fogarty

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Are you in anyway a beta tester?

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Laury, Shawnese (LEO)

Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2020 6:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 13.5 released.

This update is not available for download for me

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Re: iOS 13.5 is NOT released.

[Davy Cuppens]

Then he is a betatester or even a developer, not a normal user.

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From: Kay Malmquist

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Very strange because my husband downloaded and installed 13.5 yesterday.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: iOS 13.5 is NOT released.


It is not released don't spread fake news.

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From: Don Risavy, Jr.

Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 8:12 PM
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Subject: RE: iOS 13.5 released.

When wil it show up on our phone as just checked my iPhone xr and nothing
shows up there yet for any updates as says am up to date with 13.4.1.
Thanks.


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Re: iOS 13.5 is NOT released.

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It is not released don't spread fake news.

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When wil it show up on our phone as just checked my iPhone xr and nothing 
shows up there yet for any updates as says am up to date with 13.4.1.

Thanks.


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please join me to rereport the reading bug in e-mail line by line in ios13.4.1

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

This is the message I’ve just sent to Apple.


When reading your own written text again in reply to a mail you are going to 
send, you cannot read text using the line rotor task, only characters or words.
Please do address this bug to the devs to be solved after 11 months of ios13 
development now!

Regards
Davy 

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

The problem is back again I even restored network settings without help.

I notice when resetting network settings my bluetooth devices were still there, 
I thought they would disappear so that I could stabilise my bluetooth 
connection so network settings do not wipe out bluetooth connectivity devices 
settings I see?

From: Richard Turner 
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Apple accessibility

I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out. 
If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q 
toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav.
Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got 
turned on by mistake.
I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently.



Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi Richard 

  I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
  The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the 
problem got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and 
typing the letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
  I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
  So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
  Davy 

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  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Apple accessibility

  Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille? 

  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and 
deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me. 
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an 
email.
I will try it in notes.



Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report 
to Apple accessibility

  Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce 
the bug. 
  I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part 
of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
  However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I 
have deleted the entire word.
  Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
  I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



  Richard
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  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a 
text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word 
and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there 
is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I 
delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when 
typing further on.
Regards
davy 
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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Dear forum I will not blame anyone personally but in general the blind world is 
so passive o we poor blinds we are never listened to sighted people often built 
apps inaccessible. I don’t like this complaining but on the contrary, please be 
assertive in your behaviour and do report things in a positive mood and way 
don’t sit back and relax.
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Mail

I see a ton of issues being reported on this list and if they are obvious and 
known bugs I sometimes remind people that they should also write to 
accessibil...@apple.com because as Davy points out, the more they hear from 
people about a certain bug the more likely it is that they prioritize fixing 
it. Unlike Davy, the bug bomber  I usually encourage to “report bugs to Apple” 
instead of “bombing them”! 藍

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

 

I Agree. I always report bugs to Apple. 

I know that not everyone follows through, but hopefully the people using the 
beta are, and if everyone would write a short message to Apple Accessibility 
when a bug is found, I'm sure it would help a lot.

 

 

Richard

Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com

 





  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi Richard 

   

  I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly 
report any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone 
saying the time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and 
the guy told me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported 
it.

  I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.

  Regards

  Davy 

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Mail

   

  I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 

  I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the 
back button, but stayed in the list where I should be.

  I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your 
angry bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.

   

   

   

  Richard

   





On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

 

It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and 
bomb again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Mail

 

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 

It was reported while in beta.

Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.

Very annoying.

 

Richard

Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com

 





  On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:

  Hello all
  i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
  after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Ok Maybe I am exaggerating with always bomb and bomb again. But that seems the 
only way to convince people to report things.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

I Agree. I always report bugs to Apple. 
I know that not everyone follows through, but hopefully the people using the 
beta are, and if everyone would write a short message to Apple Accessibility 
when a bug is found, I'm sure it would help a lot.




Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi Richard 

  I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly 
report any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone 
saying the time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and 
the guy told me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported 
it.
  I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
  Regards
  Davy 

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Mail

  I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 
  I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the 
back button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
  I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your 
angry bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.





  Richard



On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and 
bomb again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:


  Hello all
  i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
  after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Yes Sieghard it occurs when listening to any kind of media at a volume level 
higher dan 60%. I know from Apple and other blind persons this only occurs with 
the delivered wired Apple earpads from your own iphone and if you use bluetooth 
or even wired lightning headphones of other manufacturers the bug is not 
present anymore.
Apple acknowledges this bug.
Regards 
davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Mail

Davy, can you explain exactly what you experience with respect to listening to 
music and the time getting spoken? Is this happening when the iPhone is locked 
and you are listening? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

 

Hi Richard 

 

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.

I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.

Regards

Davy 

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Mail

 

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 

I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.

I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.

 

 

 

Richard

 





  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Mail

   

  Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 

  It was reported while in beta.

  Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.

  Very annoying.

   

  Richard

  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

  www.turner42.com

   





On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Richard 

I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem 
got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the 
letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille? 

Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


   OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and 
deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
  But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
  This is curious to me. 
  I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
  But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
  I will try it in notes.



  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce 
the bug. 
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part 
of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

  Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text 
edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
  Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and 
go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
  Regards
  davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

This ios is so crab Richard, everybody who reproduces bugs has other 
experiences. That is like ios11.0, most had no bugs but some had a bunch of 
them.
What I can reproduce is that on ios12 I haven’t had any of these annoyances so 
they are certainly tramendous bugs even if they are device specific on my 
iphone xr 64 gb.
davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me. 
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

  Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug. 
  I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
  However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
  Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
  I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



  Richard
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  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text 
edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and 
go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy 
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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Richard 

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.
I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
Regards
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 
I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.





Richard



  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Mail

  Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 
  It was reported while in beta.
  Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
  Very annoying.



  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:


Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug. 
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

  Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
  Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go 
on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
  Regards
  davy 
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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.



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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:


  Hello all
  i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
  after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
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Re: Potential bug when creating a new contact from an unknown caller

[Davy Cuppens]

I can confirm this bug so bomb their servers with this persisting bug bomb bomb 
and bomb again!
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Potential bug when creating a new contact from an unknown caller

I have found that if I go first to last name after selecting create new 
contact, I can enter the last name then go back to the first name field enter 
that, and then hit done. 
If that isn't working, then definitely contact Apple.



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  On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Kimberly  wrote:


   Hi, 

  It would be great if someone could confirm this or else tell me what I’m 
doing wrong.

  Whenever I get a call from an unknown number for which I want to create a new 
contact, I find I can’t type anything into any of the edit fields such as first 
or last name or email. This is true with both the onscreen keyboard as well as 
a bluetooth keyboard.

  Simply adding a new contact (not from an unknow number) works fine. 

  If this is a bug I will report it to Apple.

  Thanks,
  Kim


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Re: bug in settings dialogue ios 13.4.1 - please do always update over the air

[Davy Cuppens]

Dear group 

All my issues are gone. I strongly advise anybody not to update ones phone via 
itunes nowadays. My iphone had become a total mess. I had tons of inexplicable 
bugs and strange behaviors. I could not even get to the normal view of normal 
texting for imessages. So I went back to factory settings and erased my phone 
and got back to my icloud backup and everything is running smooth now.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: bug in settings dialogue ios 13.4.1

I do not have that issue.

By any chance, do you have a large font set?

 

That can mess VoiceOver up when it comes to flicking.

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

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Cuppens
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:30 AM
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Subject: bug in settings dialogue ios 13.4.1

 

Hi folks 

 

In some dialogues it is hard to find settings by flicking right. For example: 
the voiceover dialogue. You can easily read all stuff but after the speech rate 
setting, flicking right you are brought back to the beginning of the dialogue. 
However there is much more stuff that can be set. You can only reach that by 
holding your finger on the screen and sweep down to the audio or speech 
settings and then flick or double tap again. Can this bug be confirmed? In my 
oppinion this is a tramendous focus bug that needs to be reported as much as 
possible.

After having waited for 8 months now I eventually updated my phone and this is 
the first bug I come across that had never been mentioned before.

Regards

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another tramendous bug in ios13.4.1

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

When composing text in whatsapp o my goodness, each time you type a letter the 
iphone says: compose message really with the typing of each letter, figure or 
sign.
Regards
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bug in settings dialogue ios 13.4.1

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

In some dialogues it is hard to find settings by flicking right. For example: 
the voiceover dialogue. You can easily read all stuff but after the speech rate 
setting, flicking right you are brought back to the beginning of the dialogue. 
However there is much more stuff that can be set. You can only reach that by 
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oppinion this is a tramendous focus bug that needs to be reported as much as 
possible.
After having waited for 8 months now I eventually updated my phone and this is 
the first bug I come across that had never been mentioned before.
Regards
Davy 

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what about the sticky notification bug

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

I am still on ios12 but I am eventually planning to update my phone.

What about the sticky notification bug, I hear mixed reactions about this bug.

I know people that do not have this bug or they do maybe not use too much push 
notification apps.

Is maybe this bug app related? A friend of mine confirms this annoying issue 
but she tells me that for some apps, messages are sticky while for other apps 
everything seems to work normal at all. So is it maybe app related? Even in 
ios12, notifications of the native calendar app are sticky even other meanwhile 
notifications won’t come through if you don’t delete a calendar reminder. and I 
have an app earthquake which does the same thing. When the loud sound comes up 
when a quake has been reported you have to delete the message before other 
notifications will come in.
Any experiences?
Davy 

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Re: what about the sticky notification bug

[Davy Cuppens]

Gerardo 

Did you report to Apple, please tell us if you did or not because if you did 
not the bug is not important for you! 
Davy 

From: Gerardo Corripio 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: RE: what about the sticky notification bug

When you receive a notification, instead of the notification making itself 
disappear, it remains onscreen, until you discard it via flick up. I thought it 
would be fixed on iOS13.4, but still not!

 


  Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Sieghard Weitzel
Enviado: jueves, 26 de marzo de 2020 08:41 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
Asunto: RE: what about the sticky notification bug

 

Can somebody remind what this is supposed to be all about? I haven’t noticed 
anything unusual about notifications for quite some time.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what about the sticky notification bug

 

Please Gera DO and don’t say maybe others will do, do do do bomb bomb bomb bomb 
and bomb again accessibil...@apple.com 

 

How many people will really do this or think others will do that for me I am a 
lazy frog and reckon on others I do not pretend you are lazy but as Sieghard 
says this is in the importance of the whole community! It is not about you you 
are right we are all nice people only Corona is not grin; it is about everyone 
here on this list.

 

PLEASE BOMB AND BOMB AGAIN!

 

From: Gerardo Corripio 

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:55 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: what about the sticky notification bug

 

Sadly it is still present, at least on my iPHone SE. I would’ve hoped they 
fixed it!

Gera 

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

 

  El 26 mar 2020, a la(s) 1:20 p.m., Davy Cuppens  
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  Hi folks 

   

  The subject says it all, is that bug still present?

  Davy 

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Re: what about the sticky notification bug

[Davy Cuppens]

Please Gera DO and don’t say maybe others will do, do do do bomb bomb bomb bomb 
and bomb again accessibil...@apple.com 

How many people will really do this or think others will do that for me I am a 
lazy frog and reckon on others I do not pretend you are lazy but as Sieghard 
says this is in the importance of the whole community! It is not about you you 
are right we are all nice people only Corona is not grin; it is about everyone 
here on this list.

PLEASE BOMB AND BOMB AGAIN!

From: Gerardo Corripio 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: what about the sticky notification bug

Sadly it is still present, at least on my iPHone SE. I would’ve hoped they 
fixed it!


Gera 
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


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  Hi folks 

  The subject says it all, is that bug still present?
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what about the sticky notification bug

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Hi folks 

The subject says it all, is that bug still present?
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bug - heading is called edit textfield

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Excuse my language is native dutch so I don’t know how it is pronounced in  
English in the right definition.
A friend of mine mentions the following: in safari when encountering a header 
the iphone says text editor header. Can this behaviour be confirmed?
Regards
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Re: Persistent Annoying Issues In The Mail App

[Davy Cuppens]

Again and again
accessibil...@apple.com 
bomb bomb bomb bomb and bomb again again and again

I’ve recently had contact with a accessibility member of Apple who told me that 
really and I believe him, very few people report bugs.

Anybody pretends:  I think others will report why should I do. I’m just 
lazy!

It is our own fault Apple won’t fix any bugs. Bomb and bomb again, tell it to 
journalists tell it to newspapers, bomb Apples facebook and twitter accounts!
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Persistent Annoying Issues In The Mail App

Tom, you are not alone. 
I turned off message threading because it is more of a pain than it is worth.
And, as for deleting messages, about half of the time I stay where it should, 
but just as often, I end up either back several messages, or on the back button.
And I'm on the beta for what that is worth.





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



  On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


  Hi Tom,

  No, you are not alone. I can certainly verify the first issue you mentioned. 
As far as threads are concerned, are used to land on the first message of the 
thread so I’m not experiencing that issue. Like you, I keep popping an apple 
fix it, but the male issue has been a problem in life in the beginning. I think 
it’s the worst update apples ever sent out here. I don’t know if it’s ever 
going to get fixed in iOS 13. But I keep hoping it will at some point.

  Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:36 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:



Hi all,

I’m running an iPhone 8 with IOS 13.3.1. Every time I update IOS I keep 
hoping that maybe, just maybe, Apple will finally fix the following 

issues that I’m having with the native Mail app.

First, when flicking through a list of messages then deleting one, it’s 
highly unlikely that focus will remain at the message before the one that I 
just deleted. There’s no telling where focus will be, but more often than not I 
end up having to scroll or flick back down through the list to a message that I 
want to read, at which time I can open it.

Second, if I open a message thread that I’ve never viewed, odds are pretty 
good that the message that pops up is not the first message in the thread, and 
I have to use the rotor, select Messages, then flick up until I find the first 
message. As a side note, VO will speak the number of the message that I land 
on, for example, Message 2 or Message 3, et cetera, but that information won’t 
show up on my Braille display. And don’t even get me started on how flakey 
Braille support can be. 



Is anybody else having these issues, or am I the lone voice crying out in 
the wilderness?



Tom



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update - what about the notification bug

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the notification 
bug for some apps where notifications are always repeating itselves on the lock 
screen every minute?

I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their speakers 
heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
Regards
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Re: Facebook Shutting Down

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi bonjour Lyne 

Normally the bug has gone now.
Davy 

From: l.d.ethie...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 10:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Facebook Shutting Down

But I can confirm that we are many to experimente this.


Lyne

Le 8 janv. 2020 à 11:20, Sieghard Weitzel  a écrit :


  Davy,

   

  Please include the part where it is not a bug everybody experiences. On my 
iPhone 8 it did this for a few days after I think version 251 came out maybe a 
week or 10 days ago, then it stopped and I have been using the Facebook ever 
since without a single crash. Why it doesn’t crash for me and it does so for 
others I don’t know.

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
  Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 11:58 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Facebook Shutting Down

   

  It is an overall general bug and reinstalling the app or chosing to sort by 
the newest newsfeed updates like some others pretend, won’t help people out.

   

  So again and again, do not update to v251 and if you did so bomb, bomb and 
bomb again facebook’s servers to report that bug.

  The tweet of @fbaccess is telling that the problem isunder investigation but 
then again, report it to facebook, f.e. by shaking your phone.

  Davy 

   

  From: Albert Ruel 

  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 7:04 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Facebook Shutting Down

   

  Hi all.  At the start of this particular bug I wasn’t having the same 
experience as was often reported here, then a couple of weeks into it my phone 
started playing the same game.  Last evening I decided to uninstall Facebook 
then re-download and install it anew.  Once I signed back in it seemed to work 
well.  The caution is though, I haven’t spent a lot of time playing with it so 
don’t know how it’ll react with hours of log-in time.  

   

  Thx, Albert

   

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update facebook and it is a good one

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Simple and short message. Update fb v252 fixes the issue of random crashes when 
reading ones newsfeed.
Regards
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Re: Facebook Shutting Down

[Davy Cuppens]

It is an overall general bug and reinstalling the app or chosing to sort by the 
newest newsfeed updates like some others pretend, won’t help people out.

So again and again, do not update to v251 and if you did so bomb, bomb and bomb 
again facebook’s servers to report that bug.
The tweet of @fbaccess is telling that the problem isunder investigation but 
then again, report it to facebook, f.e. by shaking your phone.
Davy 

From: Albert Ruel 
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Facebook Shutting Down

Hi all.  At the start of this particular bug I wasn’t having the same 
experience as was often reported here, then a couple of weeks into it my phone 
started playing the same game.  Last evening I decided to uninstall Facebook 
then re-download and install it anew.  Once I signed back in it seemed to work 
well.  The caution is though, I haven’t spent a lot of time playing with it so 
don’t know how it’ll react with hours of log-in time.  

 

Thx, Albert

 

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Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

[Davy Cuppens]

I tried to toggle speech off and read my feed in brail but also that makes 
no sense it is an overall bug I hear more and more complaints. Just read fb 
groups for the blind it is the hottest item ever spoken out.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Debbie April Yuille

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

What voice are you using? Also what device do you have?

Debbie

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Monday, 30 December 2019 6:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

Even that won't help me here, it crashes and crashes.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 3:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

I've found that it's random. Some times it crashes and some times it 
doesn't. However, it's least likely to crash when you navigate after letting 
VO finish speaking the page loading progress.


Debbie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2019 5:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

It must be different because when I first updated to version 251 or 
whichever it was I also experienced this, but in the last few days this has 
gone completely away for me. It almost seems like it was a server issue. I 
can now open Facebook, be on the Newsfeed tab and swipe through the items 
forward and backward and do whatever I want, go to the Notifications tab or 
Market Place and back to News Feed and I'm never kicked out any more.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 2:23 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

It is true on my end. It seems the bug is different on different devices.


I have not had any issues in the most recent section of the tab.

Don’t go making assumptions. I was gibing a fix that works for my device.

Maybe your statement is false.

Ed


On Dec 27, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi folks hi Ed

I am sorry to report to the group that what Ed is experiencing is not
true.

I have tried exactly what he told us and yeah after one minute of a
bunch of scrollings I flew back to the home screen. So the problem is
everywhere in the newspaper.

Please I very strongly recommend all facebook users to complain and
report about this tramendous bug.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Ed Worrell
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 5:36 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Hello All,

I too am seeing this issue. I have found if you go to the Facebook
menu tab in the bottom right hand corner and read your newsfeed in the
“Most Recent” view the app no longer crashes, but if you try and go
back to the newsfeed tab in the bottom left corner the app promptly
crashes back to the home screen.

I hope this helps.

Ed



On Dec 20, 2019, at 3:27 PM, 'doug oliver' via VIPhone
 wrote:

I’ve seen this issue as of today.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


O Yeah some people here sometimes spread humor and there’s nothing
wrong with sometimes a bit humor like Sieghard does!

From: Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Sieghard ,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Your response comes off as
if you do not make mistakes. I was not expecting a response by the
way, simply providing some feedback.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
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On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hmm, now Davy becomes Debbie, maybe that why there has been no
reply! 藍
I haven’t seen this one, either.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Hi Debbie,
Are you experiencing this issue with and without Wi-Fi internet
connection? Ssometimes, this behavior is caused by a bad Internet
connection. Feliciano For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are
the ones who do. -Steve Jobs


On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Davy Cuppens 
wrote:


Hi folks

Build number: fb

Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

[Davy Cuppens]

Even that won't help me here, it crashes and crashes.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Debbie April Yuille

Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 3:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

I've found that it's random. Some times it crashes and some times it 
doesn't. However, it's least likely to crash when you navigate after letting 
VO finish speaking the page loading progress.


Debbie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2019 5:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

It must be different because when I first updated to version 251 or 
whichever it was I also experienced this, but in the last few days this has 
gone completely away for me. It almost seems like it was a server issue. I 
can now open Facebook, be on the Newsfeed tab and swipe through the items 
forward and backward and do whatever I want, go to the Notifications tab or 
Market Place and back to News Feed and I'm never kicked out any more.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 2:23 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

It is true on my end. It seems the bug is different on different devices.


I have not had any issues in the most recent section of the tab.

Don’t go making assumptions. I was gibing a fix that works for my device.

Maybe your statement is false.

Ed


On Dec 27, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi folks hi Ed

I am sorry to report to the group that what Ed is experiencing is not 
true.


I have tried exactly what he told us and yeah after one minute of a bunch 
of scrollings I flew back to the home screen. So the problem is everywhere 
in the newspaper.


Please I very strongly recommend all facebook users to complain and report 
about this tramendous bug.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Ed Worrell
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 5:36 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Hello All,

I too am seeing this issue. I have found if you go to the Facebook menu 
tab in the bottom right hand corner and read your newsfeed in the “Most 
Recent” view the app no longer crashes, but if you try and go back to the 
newsfeed tab in the bottom left corner the app promptly crashes back to 
the home screen.


I hope this helps.

Ed


On Dec 20, 2019, at 3:27 PM, 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


I’ve seen this issue as of today.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


O Yeah some people here sometimes spread humor and there’s nothing wrong 
with sometimes a bit humor like Sieghard does!


From: Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Sieghard ,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Your response comes off as if 
you do not make mistakes. I was not expecting a response by the way, 
simply providing some feedback.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are
the ones who do. -Steve Jobs


On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hmm, now Davy becomes Debbie, maybe that why there has been no
reply! 藍
I haven’t seen this one, either.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Hi Debbie,
Are you experiencing this issue with and without Wi-Fi internet
connection? Ssometimes, this behavior is caused by a bad Internet 
connection. Feliciano For tech tips and updates:

LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are
the ones who do. -Steve Jobs


On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Davy Cuppens  
wrote:



Hi folks

Build number: fb 251.0 has been issued for 19 hours now.
System: iphone xr 64 GB ios12.4.1
After working with the program with voiceover on an iphone xr, after 30 
seconds or so, the program closes itselves and you are brought back to 
the home screen.
Please do test this. I’ve already restarted my phone but not yet 
deleted and reinstall the app I’ll wait for that after testings.

Regards
Davy
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Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

[Davy Cuppens]

I've ever been kicked out all time, also the last minutes now (grin)
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

It must be different because when I first updated to version 251 or 
whichever it was I also experienced this, but in the last few days this has 
gone completely away for me. It almost seems like it was a server issue. I 
can now open Facebook, be on the Newsfeed tab and swipe through the items 
forward and backward and do whatever I want, go to the Notifications tab or 
Market Place and back to News Feed and I'm never kicked out any more.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 2:23 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

It is true on my end. It seems the bug is different on different devices.


I have not had any issues in the most recent section of the tab.

Don’t go making assumptions. I was gibing a fix that works for my device.

Maybe your statement is false.

Ed


On Dec 27, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi folks hi Ed

I am sorry to report to the group that what Ed is experiencing is not 
true.


I have tried exactly what he told us and yeah after one minute of a bunch 
of scrollings I flew back to the home screen. So the problem is everywhere 
in the newspaper.


Please I very strongly recommend all facebook users to complain and report 
about this tramendous bug.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Ed Worrell
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 5:36 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Hello All,

I too am seeing this issue. I have found if you go to the Facebook menu 
tab in the bottom right hand corner and read your newsfeed in the “Most 
Recent” view the app no longer crashes, but if you try and go back to the 
newsfeed tab in the bottom left corner the app promptly crashes back to 
the home screen.


I hope this helps.

Ed


On Dec 20, 2019, at 3:27 PM, 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


I’ve seen this issue as of today.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


O Yeah some people here sometimes spread humor and there’s nothing wrong 
with sometimes a bit humor like Sieghard does!


From: Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Sieghard ,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Your response comes off as if 
you do not make mistakes. I was not expecting a response by the way, 
simply providing some feedback.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are
the ones who do. -Steve Jobs


On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hmm, now Davy becomes Debbie, maybe that why there has been no
reply! 藍
I haven’t seen this one, either.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb
update

Hi Debbie,
Are you experiencing this issue with and without Wi-Fi internet
connection? Ssometimes, this behavior is caused by a bad Internet 
connection. Feliciano For tech tips and updates:

LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are
the ones who do. -Steve Jobs


On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Davy Cuppens  
wrote:



Hi folks

Build number: fb 251.0 has been issued for 19 hours now.
System: iphone xr 64 GB ios12.4.1
After working with the program with voiceover on an iphone xr, after 30 
seconds or so, the program closes itselves and you are brought back to 
the home screen.
Please do test this. I’ve already restarted my phone but not yet 
deleted and reinstall the app I’ll wait for that after testings.

Regards
Davy
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don't update to the latest facebook ios app v251

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks hi Ed

I am sorry to report to the group that what Ed is experiencing is not true.

I have tried exactly what he told us and yeah after one minute of a bunch of 
scrollings I flew back to the home screen. So the problem is everywhere in 
the newspaper.


Please I very strongly recommend all facebook users to complain and report 
about this tramendous bug.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Ed Worrell

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 5:36 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

Hello All,

I too am seeing this issue. I have found if you go to the Facebook menu tab 
in the bottom right hand corner and read your newsfeed in the “Most Recent” 
view the app no longer crashes, but if you try and go back to the newsfeed 
tab in the bottom left corner the app promptly crashes back to the home 
screen.


I hope this helps.

Ed


On Dec 20, 2019, at 3:27 PM, 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


I’ve seen this issue as of today.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 20, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


O Yeah some people here sometimes spread humor and there’s nothing wrong 
with sometimes a bit humor like Sieghard does!


From: Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

Sieghard ,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Your response comes off as if 
you do not make mistakes. I was not expecting a response by the way, 
simply providing some feedback.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the 
ones who do. -Steve Jobs



On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Hmm, now Davy becomes Debbie, maybe that why there has been no reply! 藍
I haven’t seen this one, either.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy

Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

Hi Debbie,
Are you experiencing this issue with and without Wi-Fi internet 
connection? Ssometimes, this behavior is caused by a bad Internet 
connection. Feliciano

For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the 
ones who do. -Steve Jobs



On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Davy Cuppens  
wrote:



Hi folks

Build number: fb 251.0 has been issued for 19 hours now.
System: iphone xr 64 GB ios12.4.1
After working with the program with voiceover on an iphone xr, after 30 
seconds or so, the program closes itselves and you are brought back to 
the home screen.
Please do test this. I’ve already restarted my phone but not yet deleted 
and reinstall the app I’ll wait for that after testings.

Regards
Davy
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Re: confirmed: do not update to fb v241.0

[Davy Cuppens]

Dough 

You can chose not to update automatically but manually with ios.
Regards
Davy 

From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: confirmed: do not update to fb v241.0

Unfortunately my Facebook updated. Hopefully they fix it soon.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 20, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Folks 

  In different fb groups for the blind it is a hot item now and not for all but 
for most of the users the app can nolonger be used since V251.

  I have reported this tramendous voiceover bug to the FB accessibility team.
  So as I have mentioned before if you are affected you will be kicked out of 
the app while scrolling your newsfeed.

  So if you want pleasant facebooking during your holidays, don’t update!
  Davy 
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confirmed: do not update to fb v241.0

[Davy Cuppens]

Folks 

In different fb groups for the blind it is a hot item now and not for all but 
for most of the users the app can nolonger be used since V251.

I have reported this tramendous voiceover bug to the FB accessibility team.
So as I have mentioned before if you are affected you will be kicked out of the 
app while scrolling your newsfeed.

So if you want pleasant facebooking during your holidays, don’t update!
Davy 

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Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

[Davy Cuppens]

O Yeah some people here sometimes spread humor and there’s nothing wrong with 
sometimes a bit humor like Sieghard does! 

From: Feliciano Godoy 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

Sieghard , 
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Your response comes off as if you do 
not make mistakes. I was not expecting a response by the way, simply providing 
some feedback.


Feliciano 
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  On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


   
  Hmm, now Davy becomes Debbie, maybe that why there has been no reply! 藍

  I haven’t seen this one, either.

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
  Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:15 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

   

  Hi Debbie, 

  Are you experiencing this issue with and without Wi-Fi internet connection? 
Ssometimes, this behavior is caused by a bad Internet connection. Feliciano

  For tech tips and updates: 

  LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v

  Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v

  Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v

  those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones 
who do. -Steve Jobs 





On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

 

Hi folks 

 

Build number: fb 251.0 has been issued for 19 hours now. 

System: iphone xr 64 GB ios12.4.1 

After working with the program with voiceover on an iphone xr, after 30 
seconds or so, the program closes itselves and you are brought back to the home 
screen. 

Please do test this. I’ve already restarted my phone but not yet deleted 
and reinstall the app I’ll wait for that after testings.

Regards

Davy 

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Re: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

[Davy Cuppens]

I deleted the app, I did a hard reset, reinstalled the app, signed in again 
without succes. When scrolling through my news I hear the bonk sound and the 
app closes.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 4:36 AM
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Subject: RE: I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

Hmm, now Davy becomes Debbie, maybe that why there has been no reply! 藍

I haven’t seen this one, either.

 

 

 

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Hi Debbie, 

Are you experiencing this issue with and without Wi-Fi internet connection? 
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  On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  Build number: fb 251.0 has been issued for 19 hours now. 

  System: iphone xr 64 GB ios12.4.1 

  After working with the program with voiceover on an iphone xr, after 30 
seconds or so, the program closes itselves and you are brought back to the home 
screen. 

  Please do test this. I’ve already restarted my phone but not yet deleted and 
reinstall the app I’ll wait for that after testings.

  Regards

  Davy 

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please do not update fb version 251.0

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

I am very sorry to say and ok maybe it is user dependend but I can confirm from 
other belgian users that they can confirm the same behaviour that I am 
experiencing. so do not update this version!

Please when you test, do control whether you have this build number or not 
because this update has not yet been rolled out for everyone.
Davy 
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I am not panicking but take care with the latest fb update

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Build number: fb 251.0 has been issued for 19 hours now. 
System: iphone xr 64 GB ios12.4.1 
After working with the program with voiceover on an iphone xr, after 30 seconds 
or so, the program closes itselves and you are brought back to the home screen. 
Please do test this. I’ve already restarted my phone but not yet deleted and 
reinstall the app I’ll wait for that after testings.
Regards
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Re: notifications repeating

[Davy Cuppens]

And again and again and again, bomb Apple's servers with that bug and do 
stress that from even the beginning of the beta cycling until now Apple is 
refusing to tackle this nasty bug.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notifications repeating

I have had that problem since ios13 came out


On Dec 18, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:

And what if you are not near your phone for a few minutes?  I usually am, 
but sometimes I might be typing an e-mail on my computer and I have to 
stop to go dismiss a notification because it's annoying me.  That's when 
it gets irritating.  Fortunately, I always turn on do not disturb at 
night, or it would probably wake me up doing that kind of thing.


-Original Message-
From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

I get it,  just wish apple would fix this, it's not hard yes, but it does 
get tedius.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

Yes, it's a bit annoying but dismissing a notification banner isn't so 
hard, just touch near the top left of the screen and then flick down and 
double tap.



-Original Message-
From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

Not always, I have to dismiss them.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Teresa Christian

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notifications repeating

That is driving me nuts too!
I finally figured out pressing the home button seems to stop it, but 
still, huge drag that you have to mess with it at all.

Teresa☺

On 12/18/19, 'doug oliver' via VIPhone  wrote:





Hey guys, have you guys noticed in the 13 series of iOS, voiceover's
repeating notifications until you dismiss them?

This gets annoying.

I hope Apple fixes them, and this gets looked at.



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Re: notifications repeating

[Davy Cuppens]

Thats a showstopper for me not to come over to ios13, glad you mention it 
all as a tramendus bug.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Nicki Keck

Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

And what if you are not near your phone for a few minutes?  I usually am, 
but sometimes I might be typing an e-mail on my computer and I have to stop 
to go dismiss a notification because it's annoying me.  That's when it gets 
irritating.  Fortunately, I always turn on do not disturb at night, or it 
would probably wake me up doing that kind of thing.


-Original Message-
From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

I get it,  just wish apple would fix this, it's not hard yes, but it does 
get tedius.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

Yes, it's a bit annoying but dismissing a notification banner isn't so hard, 
just touch near the top left of the screen and then flick down and double 
tap.



-Original Message-
From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications repeating

Not always, I have to dismiss them.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Teresa Christian

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notifications repeating

That is driving me nuts too!
I finally figured out pressing the home button seems to stop it, but still, 
huge drag that you have to mess with it at all.

Teresa☺

On 12/18/19, 'doug oliver' via VIPhone  wrote:





Hey guys, have you guys noticed in the 13 series of iOS, voiceover's
repeating notifications until you dismiss them?

This gets annoying.

I hope Apple fixes them, and this gets looked at.



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Re: Looks like 13.3 just came out

[Davy Cuppens]

Then just bomb bomb and bomb again Apples accessibility servers for all of 
you experiencing this.

Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Alan Lemly

Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looks like 13.3 just came out

Sieghard,

I'm not sure I'm getting your 90% success rate with mail focus and iOS 13.3. 
It does seem to be much better but I'm still experiencing focus loss when 
expanding and contracting message threads and also random jumps to the top 
of the list when a new message comes in. I will be very glad when they get 
this totally fixed because it makes reading email with the Mail app a major 
pain.


Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looks like 13.3 just came out

Maybe a full restore and setting up as a new device is in order.
The mail focus issue is I would say 90% resolved for me and that seems to be 
the consensus for most, it still happens a few times, but very rarely.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson

Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looks like 13.3 just came out

I am having the exact same mail focus problems in iOS 13.3.




On Dec 11, 2019, at 10:14 PM, Robin  wrote:

?Curious:
Which Model of Apple's iPhone: iPhone6S/6S+ to iPhone11PRO MAX Are ya
testin Apple's iOS13 on???
At 10:06 AM 12/10/2019, you wrote:
This is an update you'll definitely want to get. I've been using the beta 
for almost a month and it works well. So no risk with getting this one.


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Re: Looks like 13.3 just came out

[Davy Cuppens]

Please do rewrite all to Apple Accessibility about the persisting mail bug 
after this update!
Davy 

From: Alex Stone 
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Looks like 13.3 just came out

Richard, yes I can confirm your founding. It’s still a pain, but nowhere near 
as bad as it was.


Sent from my iPhone


  On 10 Dec 2019, at 19:00, Richard Turner  wrote:


   Using beta 4, which is the one prior to this release, the mail bug is 
better, but not completely gone. 
  I'd say I'm put back to the top of the screen on the back button about 20 to 
30 percent of the time after deleting a message from the list.
  Just closing an email, I'm back on that email, so I'm not sure if you are 
talking about closing an email, or deleting from the list prior to opening the 
message.





  Richard
  "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
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Wagner



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Yes they fixed that rotten bug. It’s gone.

Gail

Sent from Gail’s iPhone


  On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Gordon  wrote:




I haven't tried that one, but they did make a lot of changes for the 
better in the email app. So there's a good chance they might have fixed that 
one to.


  On 12/10/2019 12:11 PM, Holly wrote:

  Hi Gordon:



  Has the email bug been addressed?  That is, when you return to the in box 
after reading a message and the focus goes back to the top of the page, instead 
of where you left off in the list of emails?


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Re: iOS 13.3 release

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Sieghard

Notifications that keep on repeating onscreen every minute, and the buggy 
focus in the notification center.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 2:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 13.3 release

When you talk about "bugs with the notifications", what exactly do you mean?

-Original Message-
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Cuppens

Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 3:00 AM
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Ok with respect too, tell us then what are the fixes we may talk about betas 
as they are shown to the public.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Dave
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release


Hi Davy. with respect. Not quite sure what to believe.

Further down this thread. Gordon says, that there are quite a few fixes, and
Voiceover users will be happy.

Dave.


-Original Message----- 
From: Davy Cuppens

Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 10:07 AM
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Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release

Do not expect much of this release for voiceover fixes I warn you.

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From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release

Ok, excellent.  Can’t wait to check this out.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 6, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Gordon  wrote:

I would think they would push it out either next week or the week of the
16th. We just got beta 4 yesterday and a lot of stuff has been fixed. So
huge progress has been made and I don't foresee any issues with and think
that the rest of the voice over users will be really happy with it when it
is available.


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Hello all,

By chance, when is iOS 13.3 supposed to be released as final? and what
have they fixed, bug fixes, voiceover bugs, have they fixed?

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Re: iOS 13.3 release

[Davy Cuppens]

Ok with respect too, tell us then what are the fixes we may talk about betas 
as they are shown to the public.

Davy

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Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 11:33 AM
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Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release


Hi Davy. with respect. Not quite sure what to believe.

Further down this thread. Gordon says, that there are quite a few fixes, and
Voiceover users will be happy.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Davy Cuppens

Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 10:07 AM
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Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release

Do not expect much of this release for voiceover fixes I warn you.

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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release

Ok, excellent.  Can’t wait to check this out.

Sent from my iPhone


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I would think they would push it out either next week or the week of the 
16th. We just got beta 4 yesterday and a lot of stuff has been fixed. So 
huge progress has been made and I don't foresee any issues with and think 
that the rest of the voice over users will be really happy with it when it 
is available.



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Re: iOS 13.3 release

[Davy Cuppens]

Gordon

I am sorry to see that I hear other rumors than you are telling the group.

There are still a bunch of annoying focus issues and the bugs with the 
notifications and the mail app are still there. However some folks tell me 
that the focus bug in mail has somewhat stabilised but is far from over yet. 
Ios13 stays a pain. I am sorry to tell this.

Davy

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From: Gordon

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 4:30 PM
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Subject: Re: iOS 13.3 release

I would think they would push it out either next week or the week of the
16th. We just got beta 4 yesterday and a lot of stuff has been fixed. So
huge progress has been made and I don't foresee any issues with and
think that the rest of the voice over users will be really happy with it
when it is available.

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Re: iOS 13.3 release

[Davy Cuppens]

Do not expect much of this release for voiceover fixes I warn you.

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From: 'doug oliver' via VIPhone

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 5:12 PM
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Ok, excellent.  Can’t wait to check this out.

Sent from my iPhone


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16th. We just got beta 4 yesterday and a lot of stuff has been fixed. So 
huge progress has been made and I don't foresee any issues with and think 
that the rest of the voice over users will be really happy with it when it 
is available.



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Re: Notifications when the phone is in my pocket

[Davy Cuppens]

HI Debbie 

I can confirm this behaviour and I am still a ios12 user I knew this behaviour 
was now and then taking place in the 6 years now that I am having iphones. 
Sometimes it does occur sometimes not.
Write Apple accessibility about that.
Davy 

From: Debbie Downey 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Notifications when the phone is in my pocket

HI Anna,

 

No, I have an iPhone 8 and don’t even use the fingerprint identification.

 

Thanks anyway and have a Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Debbie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:21 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Notifications when the phone is in my pocket

 

Hi Debbie,

 

Does your phone have Face ID? If so, there's a setting which makes the phone 
respond differently in some situations if you are looking at it than if you 
aren't. You may have that setting on. In Accessibility Settings, there's an 
Attention feature that determines whether this is the case.

 

Best,

Anna

 





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  Hi,

   

  This is kind of weird but I’ve got notifications set to speak on the lock 
screen but when my phone is in my pocket, I get the notification sounder but in 
order for the notification to be spoken, I have to take the phone out of my 
pocket!

   

  Has anyone else experienced this and if so, do you have any suggestions for 
fixing this? Is there a setting under motion perhaps that is causing this?

   

  Thanks!

   

  Debbie

   

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Davy Cuppens]

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

[Davy Cuppens]

12.4.3 is only for iphone6 and lower.

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From: Dave

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:14 PM
To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of 
luck?


you are out of luck.

Apple stopped signing iOS 12, some time ago.

and the last version, was 12.4.3.

Dave.


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From: Moop Curran

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:08 PM
To: Viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: downgrading from the latest iOS 13 to iOS 12.4.1, am I out of luck?

Hi,
I’m extremely tired of having sounds and voiceover routed through my
iPhone 8’s internal speaker, despite a Bose SoundWear neck speaker
being connected. I’ve just about had it, the only way I know to fix it
is to go back to iOS 12.4.1. Can I still restore to 12.4.1 if I have the
.ipsw, or am I out of luck having to suffer with these iOS 13 bluetooth
issues?
Help!

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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Sandy

Please report immediately to accessibil...@apple.com and please to everybody 
really do report after each new update the persisting bugs. All bugs that 
are reported by less than 1000 people are denied by Apple and won't be 
considered as a problem.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

hi,
Jumping in here… I have updated my iPhone 8 to the latest iOS, but I'm still 
having great difficulty when doing my emails, the cursor still jumps around 
when in the list of emails, so, if I go into a message do you what I want 
with it and come back out of it, I am was placed at the beginning of the 
list of emails. similarly, if I am reviewing my list of unread emails, and a 
new one comes in, I'm jump straight back to the top of the list again. as I 
frequently have several hundred emails in the morning, this is driving me 
nuts, so, I'm doing my mail using my old iPhone 6. is anyone else having 
this problem? If so, please tell, otherwise, I shall try some resets et 
cetera.

thanks, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon


On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:05, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Has she updated to the latest 13.2.3 update?
The Voiceover problems after a call were an issue in the earlier iOS 13 
releases, but seem to have been fixed entirely with iOS 13.2 and we are 
now on 13.2.3 with 13.3 already in Beta for some time, wouldn't be 
surprised if 13.3 came out for the public either before Christmas or in 
the first part of January.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
brian albriton

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

With iOS 13, my wife's 6s crashes voiceoVer after an AIRA call. We are 
going to look in to this with Apple accessibility.



On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

There are bugs one can work around and some one can't.
I did actually forget about the dictation issue, this actually is a 
super-annoying issue and there is no work-around except to take a 
Bluetooth keyboard and type the message, so yes, I guess that is a 
work-around but only if I am near my Bluetooth keyboard. Of course for 
people who only speak/use English this is not a problem.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Just reload the message

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Anthony

Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule 
the focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no 
reason not to update.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi everybody;
I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the 
past 10 years.



I’ve always worked around Boggs.
Nothing is perfect.
That’s a fact of life and software.
I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
bugs.

If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
Hope this helps
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  
wrote:


No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios 
and mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he 
has the bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time 
when he takes his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe


On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen
input now works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do
not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
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by J

Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Anthony

Like that friend of mine that encounters the fade-in speech bug or the 
dictation bug whereas your second dictation line behaves in another 
installed language ... how would you wirkaround these bugs?
If one is using the native mail app constantly there is no way to rule the 
focus. But if mail and notifications don't matter you there is no reason not 
to update.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Anthony Vece

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi everybody;
I have been using Apple products and it’s accompanying software for the past 
10 years.



I’ve always worked around Boggs.
Nothing is perfect.
That’s a fact of life and software.
I believe everyone will be much happier if they learnto work around the 
bugs.

If you encounter a bug just report them to Apple Accessibility.
Hope this helps
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can 
even not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like 
this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe


On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not 
use

braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
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Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since 
the
release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed 
that

the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard

I do understand your statement very well but my iphone is a bit of a 
newsticker for me and there are severe bugs in the notification center at 
least for me in the 7 days I had used ios13.1.2. Moreover, some 
notifications become sticky even since ios13.2.2 reported by several of my 
friends.
I will certainly update to ios13.3 on condition that the mail and 
notification focus bugs are gone. I hear positive rumors of ios13.3 
betatesters that the notification bug is solved wait and see.

Davy


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From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Hi Davy,

It is true that some synthesizers pronounce a few things in a funny way, Gun 
in fact is simply spelled out as G U N by at least the American female SIRI 
voice, haven't checked Samantha or the male voice, but I think I read Alex 
still speaks it correctly.
A few mispronunciations to me are small annoyances but not reasons for not 
upgrading and take advantage of potentially other new features. It could 
even be the case that you have to upgrade to iOS 13 if you want to use 
certain apps.
One example is the new ScripTalk Mobile app which is available in the US and 
Canada and which can read prescription medication packages which have been 
equipped with a special RFID tag by the pharmacy. That app won't work on 
anything below iOS 13 and of course anybody who bought a new phone this fall 
gets iOS 13 whether they want it or not.
The fact is that almost all of the major bugs like the one with Voiceover 
going away after a phone call and not being able to use third-party software 
keyboards have been resolved. There are still a few rotor and focus issues 
in the Mail app when deleting messages, but those I also classify as 
relatively minor and they definitely are not deal-breakers.
If you have to use a hearing aid I can understand how system sounds not 
coming through the hearing aid can be more of an issue, but hopefully this 
will also be soon resolved.
I can't comment in detail with respect to braille input and using braille 
displays since I don't use either.


Regards,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging steady on 
iOS 12.


Joe

On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input
now works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do
not use braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The
description does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s
policy since the release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility
concerns. I noticed that the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
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Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

[Davy Cuppens]

No, please stay where you are!

The bugs are becoming funnier and funnier.
Yesterday I read on facebook, several American english synthesizers can even 
not pronounce the word gun and speak it as gna or something like this.
A friend of mine which is a music producer and extremely advanced ios and 
mac os user with the use of protools and all that sound stuff, he has the 
bug since ios13.2. that his voiceover is fading-in each time when he takes 
his iphone after let say 30 seconds of rest.

So stay on ios12 like I do.
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Joe Orozco

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any improvements for voice over in 13.2.3

Are we at a point where iOS 13 is recommended? I'm still hanging
steady on iOS 12.

Joe

On 11/18/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

A comment on Applevis.com, one person said that braille screen input now
works everywhere on the home screen.
That was all that was mentioned for VoiceOver users, and since I do not 
use

braille screen input, I know nothing more.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
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Wagner


On Nov 18, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hi folks,

Any improvements in voice over performance in iOS 13.2.3? The description
does not mention voice over at all. This has been apple’s policy since the
release of iOS 13, which is to ignore accessibility concerns. I noticed 
that

the email delete bug still persists.

Regards,


Cris
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Re: Update Problem Bug I Can't Fix

[Davy Cuppens]

Please please report this to Apple accessibil...@apple.com that this bug is 
stull present.

From: Carla 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Update Problem Bug I Can't Fix

Thank you very much!  I'm using the iPhone 8.  I will give this a try.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of R Van 
Lant
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 7:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Update Problem Bug I Can't Fix

 

I still have this issue on my 6S running 13.2.2., but simply doing the triple 
click of  the home button to toggle VoiceOver off then back on fixes it.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carla
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update Problem Bug I Can't Fix

 

This is the first real bug I've ever dealt with.  I'm using the latest update 
which is 13.03 or something like that.  Anyway when I end a call I lose speech 
and everything on my phone goes blank and it takes me forever to be able to 
shut down and reboot.  Is there a work around until a new update comes out with 
the fix?  I really can't handle this one and I am technology challenged.  
Thanks for any help you can give if there is any to give.

 

Carla

 

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ios13.2.2 is out

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
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fading-in sounds on iphone11

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

A friend of mine has bought his iphone 11 last week and he is using the latest 
ios13.2 version that was preinstalled on his phone.

Whenever he stops using it, even when it is not locked and after a 30 seconds 
or a longer while he resumes using his phone, the voiceover sound is fading-in. 
So his phone is very weak in sound and gets gradually to the normal level he 
had set before.

Can anyone confirm or understand this behaviour or is this a setting?

Best regards 
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Re: can not dismiss notification

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Ming

A friend of mine can fully agree with you, is this again a tramendous bug?

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Subject: can not dismiss notification

hi! all,
after updated to IoS 13
the notification can not disapear autimatically.
we have to dissmiss it by swipe down and double tap it
anyone have this problem?



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Re: This Is From Apple Accessibility About the Email Issue

[Davy Cuppens]

WOW this is great wow my dear just a chatbot standard e-mail typewriter by 
Apple. They send out tons of this mail just one click.
They are already aware of this bug since the first betatest in june tomorrow we 
are novvember.
Davy 

From: Shirley Baker 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: This Is From Apple Accessibility About the Email Issue

Hello

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

Have a great day,
Apple Accessibility



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dark mode and sometimes white keyboards

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

A friend of mine is visually impaired legally blind but she is able to see a 
tiny bit. 

She is very happy with dark mode on ios13 but sometimes, some apps show her the 
articles on a white sharp screen suddenly or the keyboard that she is using is 
blinding white for her. Are these glidges or can she do something to solve 
these problems?
When she is reading in dark mode and a keyboard or piece of text shows up in 
sharp white her eyes become extremely tired and stressed.
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small announcement bug in settings when going back

[Davy Cuppens]

Folks 

When in a menu f.e. settings accessibility voiceover speech when you do the 
scrub gesture or push the back button the previous main menu will be announced 
so back to voiceover, accessibility or settings back button.
>From ios13.2 on voiceover nolonger announces anything and stays quiet until 
>you touch somewhere on the screen.
This could come in handy to give you directions where you are and can be a pain 
for beginners I assume.
Regards
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new type bug reported from a Belgian user

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

A friend of mine who uses normal typing that is to say tap twice to type that 
sign, has reported that 3double tapping to type the letter twice nolonger 
works. 
Here is an example: type the word “look” so double tap l tripple tap o double 
tap k. This nolonger works: now yo have to: doubletap l double tap o doubletap 
o again and doubletap k.
Please let me know as to confirm this bug so we can report to accessibility.
Davy 

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Re: iOS 13.2 released what about the persisting bugs

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks

What about the focus bugs in mail and especially in the notification center? 
Are there any solutions?

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Larry Smith

Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 9:00 PM
To: 'Marcio' via VIPhone
Subject: iOS 13.2 released.

The public release of iOS 13.2 is now available for all to download.

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Re: iPhone freezing when adding a custom pronunciation

[Davy Cuppens]

Please do report to accessibil...@apple.com

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Marcia Yale

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 9:40 PM
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Subject: iPhone freezing when adding a custom pronunciation

I am running 13.1.3 on my iPhone SE and discovered that VoiceOver hung up
when I tried to add a custom pronunciation today. Has anyone tried this
lately?

Marcia Yale
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Re: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

That is true, I have some newspaper apps that leave me alone after a while 
because I do listen to their notifications but rarely open them up. When you 
open them once you get your notifications back.

Davy

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From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

Hi,
Before disabling and re-enabling notifications merely open the apps
sometimes by me anyway just launching them revives their notifications. But
if that fails it couldn't hurt to disable and then re-enable them again.
Robin


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Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 4:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

Hello Andrew,

I have not noticed any changes in any of my app notifications.

While you could definitely try the "reset all settings" options, were I you,
I would simply disable/re enable the various app notifications in question
and see if that solves the problem.

No, you should not have to do this but, with all of the strange and
seemingly inconsistent behavior many of us are experiencing in iOS 13.x,
nothing surprises me, anymore.

Mark

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Subject: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

Hi,

Since updating to iOS 13.1.3 I am not receiving notifications from the
majority of my apps even though I haven’t changed any of the settings.  Has
anyone else noticed this and is there anything I can do about it?

Many thanks for any help forthcoming,

Andrew
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Re: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

I have had this happen for 3 years and the only thing you can do about it is 
restore to factory settings and rebegin.

Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: goshawk on horseback

Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

one of my apps has also given this issue, but wasn't sure if it was down to
IOS, or the latest update of the actual app, so will give this a go. thanks.

Simon


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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 9:11 PM
Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3


Hello Andrew,

I have not noticed any changes in any of my app notifications.

While you could definitely try the "reset all settings" options, were I you,
I would simply disable/re enable the various app notifications in question
and see if that solves the problem.

No, you should not have to do this but, with all of the strange and
seemingly inconsistent behavior many of us are experiencing in iOS 13.x,
nothing surprises me, anymore.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andrew Roberts
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Notifications in iOS 13.1.3

Hi,

Since updating to iOS 13.1.3 I am not receiving notifications from the
majority of my apps even though I haven’t changed any of the settings.  Has
anyone else noticed this and is there anything I can do about it?

Many thanks for any help forthcoming,

Andrew
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Re: ios13.2 beta 3 the ugliest bug ever has been reported for locking screens

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Anna 

I already have one confirmation from a USA voiceover user; They reported the 
glidge to Apple.
Davy 

From: Anna Dresner 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 8:02 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: ios13.2 beta 3 the ugliest bug ever has been reported for locking 
screens

Hi Davy,

I'm not seeing this behavior. I would suggest that your friend restart his 
phone, and if that doesn't help, reset it.

Best,
Anna





  On Oct 17, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

  Hi folks 

  A Belgian friend reports the following: with voiceover on you can nolonger 
lock your iphone screen. Whenever pushing the side button the screen locks but 
unlocks directly without any reason. At first he thought the reason was playing 
music but then he discovered it to be a bug that exists in all circumstances.
  The only way to lock your iphone as it should be is setting a screen lock 
time, do nothing on your phone until that time expires, your phone will lock in 
a normal way and won’t be unlocked automatically without doing anything.
  It is becoming really funny with all this bugs.
  Best regards I’ve never been more satisfied than ever with my iphone being on 
ios12.
  Davy 

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ios13.2 beta 3 the ugliest bug ever has been reported for locking screens

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

A Belgian friend reports the following: with voiceover on you can nolonger lock 
your iphone screen. Whenever pushing the side button the screen locks but 
unlocks directly without any reason. At first he thought the reason was playing 
music but then he discovered it to be a bug that exists in all circumstances.
The only way to lock your iphone as it should be is setting a screen lock time, 
do nothing on your phone until that time expires, your phone will lock in a 
normal way and won’t be unlocked automatically without doing anything.
It is becoming really funny with all this bugs.
Best regards I’ve never been more satisfied than ever with my iphone being on 
ios12.
Davy 

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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Sieghard 

I know you are the last person here in this group which I want to incentive the 
following but to be sure: please tell accessibility! Because we know you always 
do report such glidges.

Regards
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:13 AM
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Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

German keyboard installed in addition to English and I have had this issue ever 
since iOS 13 came out, in fact since I was using the public beta it was for 
much longer than that. I have the keyboard on English and dictate say a text 
Message and stupid SIRI interprets what I say as German and what comes out is 
total jibberish. Sometimes switching to the German keyboard and back to English 
works, other times it doesn’t. I have even gone so far as to turn off dictation 
and turn off Hey SIRI which essentially turns SIRI off and it warns you that 
all data accumulated on Apple servers about your speaking habits will be 
deleted, I went ahead and then re-enabled everything with no effect. I don’t 
think I have ever encountered the reverse, e.g. if my keyboard is on German it 
seems to interpret things in German, but then again I don’t use it as often. 

If I use SIRI to say Text so and so and then speak the message in English it 
usually works fine, it’s just when I actually use dictation in an edit field 
where it messes up. I wonder if this only happens to Voiceover users since I 
think if it were a wide spread issue one would have heard about it in the 
mainstream tech press.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

 

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?

I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.

I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.

I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing… 

Anyway, just a thought.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

 

 

I confirming it 

I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone

 

  On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

   

  If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

   

  Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?

  Davy 

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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

christobal 

Please keep in mind that the nasty phone bug won’t really be addressed until 
ios13.2 comes out.
The bug is still being reported for many users in 13.1.3.

So far, ios13.2 beta testers could not reproduce this bug.

Davy 

From: Cristobal Muñoz 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?

I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.

I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.

I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing… 

Anyway, just a thought.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

 

 

I confirming it 

I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone





  On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

   

  If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

   

  Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?

  Davy 

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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

What additional languages than Englisch are installed, do you use several 
keyboards?

From: Rafał Marzec 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3




I confirming it 
I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone


  On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

  If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

  Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
  Davy 
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attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
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Re: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

I close the thread and stop thinking about it  for five minutes she rebooted 
her phone and everything is just working fine again for her.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

If it is direct touch typing, then they either have extraordinary spatial 
awareness or they have enough vision to see the keys.  Direct Touch Typing is 
the same as typing without VoiceOver.  

In either case, if Slide To Type is on, things probably behave differently, but 
who knows.

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

 

I assume he means Direct Touch Typing, something I have never used and I 
honestly don’t know anybody who does nor have I ever seen it discussed a lot on 
this list.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

 

Direct line typing is not a phrase I'm familiar with, but have they checked 
under settings, general, keyboard and turned off Slide To Type? 

It is on by default, and unless you know how to use it, typing gets very 
strange.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

  On Oct 12, 2019, at 5:50 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  A belgian user is reporting a bug that the typing method direct blind typing 
is completely broken on her iphone after update from 13.1.1 to 13.1.2.

  I cannot confirm this bug because I am still an ios12 user.

  Davy 

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Re: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

You are right I also do not understand while blind people would use this option 
but the girl ddoesn’t have knowledge about Englisch so I asked it for her.
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

I assume he means Direct Touch Typing, something I have never used and I 
honestly don’t know anybody who does nor have I ever seen it discussed a lot on 
this list.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: please confirm this bug or not - typing methods in ios13.1.2

 

Direct line typing is not a phrase I'm familiar with, but have they checked 
under settings, general, keyboard and turned off Slide To Type? 

It is on by default, and unless you know how to use it, typing gets very 
strange.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

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  On Oct 12, 2019, at 5:50 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  A belgian user is reporting a bug that the typing method direct blind typing 
is completely broken on her iphone after update from 13.1.1 to 13.1.2.

  I cannot confirm this bug because I am still an ios12 user.

  Davy 

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