RE: Toolbar?
Interesting. I just expanded a thread with 4 messages in it. I flicked to the second one, then deleted it, and the third one came into focus. I tried that again and got the same result. This method of expanding the thread does separate the messages into a more standard list and does identify the sender where as for me, if I just use messages on the rotor with the caption description turned off, I have no idea who it is from. This is going to be my method of reading threads from now on. I'll comment again If I can duplicate the focus issue when deleting a message within a thread. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 12:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? Well, if I get a thread of messages and I expand to the thread with the actions rotor. Then I flip to the right to read the first message. So I don’t have to open the message unless it’s too long for the preview pane. Having read the preview pane, I may delete the message. I expect to see the next message in the thread. But God knows where I might be. It’s like I’m in the next message in the order in the mail list, not the next message in the thread. It’s like once I expand the thread, the system no longer recognizes it as such. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Sieghard, do you have it set to Do Nothing under Caption Description in > Verbosity? > > I get no information about the who the threaded messages are from if it is > set to do nothing. > > No numbers, no names; very interesting. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must > pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of > ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have > regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted > extending it.)" - Edward Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the > Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. > I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and > then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and the > name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". If I > double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can swipe > down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: Sieghard > Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this is > followed by the original sender's name. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Alvin Ng > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who > the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>> doesn’t' read X unre
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It should say message 1 or 2 and so on. I don't have trouble with the numbers. When I first start typing my messages, Siri comes on sometimes. What's that about? I don't touch my home button. I don't have hey Siri turned on. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Well, if I get a thread of messages and I expand to the thread with the > actions rotor. Then I flip to the right to read the first message. So I don’t > have to open the message unless it’s too long for the preview pane. Having > read the preview pane, I may delete the message. I expect to see the next > message in the thread. But God knows where I might be. It’s like I’m in the > next message in the order in the mail list, not the next message in the > thread. It’s like once I expand the thread, the system no longer recognizes > it as such. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Richard Turner >> wrote: >> >> Sieghard, do you have it set to Do Nothing under Caption Description in >> Verbosity? >> >> I get no information about the who the threaded messages are from if it is >> set to do nothing. >> >> No numbers, no names; very interesting. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward >> Herbert >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:08 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the >> Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. >> I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and >> then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and >> the name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". >> If I double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can >> swipe down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: >> Sieghard Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this >> is followed by the original sender's name. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alvin >> Ng >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which >> message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce >> who the sender is. >> >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container >> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >>> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >>> >>> Kim >>> >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>>> are turned on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cristóbal >>>> >>>> -Original Message--
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I had a problem with message threading until yesterday until I changed the setting where toolbar was showing up. It seems to be working most of the time. I just swipe right and back left should I have a problem. I get a lag when typing sometimes and don't understand what that is about. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Well, if I get a thread of messages and I expand to the thread with the > actions rotor. Then I flip to the right to read the first message. So I don’t > have to open the message unless it’s too long for the preview pane. Having > read the preview pane, I may delete the message. I expect to see the next > message in the thread. But God knows where I might be. It’s like I’m in the > next message in the order in the mail list, not the next message in the > thread. It’s like once I expand the thread, the system no longer recognizes > it as such. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Richard Turner >> wrote: >> >> Sieghard, do you have it set to Do Nothing under Caption Description in >> Verbosity? >> >> I get no information about the who the threaded messages are from if it is >> set to do nothing. >> >> No numbers, no names; very interesting. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward >> Herbert >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:08 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the >> Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. >> I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and >> then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and >> the name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". >> If I double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can >> swipe down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: >> Sieghard Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this >> is followed by the original sender's name. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alvin >> Ng >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which >> message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce >> who the sender is. >> >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container >> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >>> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >>> >>> Kim >>> >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>>> are turned on. >>>> >>>> >>>
Re: Toolbar?
Well, if I get a thread of messages and I expand to the thread with the actions rotor. Then I flip to the right to read the first message. So I don’t have to open the message unless it’s too long for the preview pane. Having read the preview pane, I may delete the message. I expect to see the next message in the thread. But God knows where I might be. It’s like I’m in the next message in the order in the mail list, not the next message in the thread. It’s like once I expand the thread, the system no longer recognizes it as such. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Sieghard, do you have it set to Do Nothing under Caption Description in > Verbosity? > > I get no information about the who the threaded messages are from if it is > set to do nothing. > > No numbers, no names; very interesting. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the > Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. > I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and > then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and the > name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". If I > double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can swipe > down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: Sieghard > Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this is > followed by the original sender's name. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alvin > Ng > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who > the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>> are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >>> there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >>> to be turned on or off just how
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Sieghard, do you have it set to Do Nothing under Caption Description in Verbosity? I get no information about the who the threaded messages are from if it is set to do nothing. No numbers, no names; very interesting. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Toolbar? I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and the name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". If I double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can swipe down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: Sieghard Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this is followed by the original sender's name. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alvin Ng Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who the sender is. On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >> are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >> there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to >> hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >> turn all this junk off. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner
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You wouldn't if you are still on iOS 13, this is only in iOS 14. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Toolbar? I did not find anything called Container Description in Verbosity. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Jones Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:04 PM To: 'RobH.' via VIPhone Subject: Re: Toolbar? Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >> are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >> there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to >> hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >> turn all this junk off. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock >>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, >>> as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the >>> screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted >>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Gerardo Corripio >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Toolbar? >>> >>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near >>> the dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options,
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I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and the name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". If I double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can swipe down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: Sieghard Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this is followed by the original sender's name. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alvin Ng Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who the sender is. On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >> are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >> there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to >> hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >> turn all this junk off. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock >>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, >>> as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the >>> screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >>>
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Get it back to how it has always been. X$In English I guess it'd translate as Raise Pitch. Good luck! Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > El 21 sep 2020, a la(s) 5:29 a.m., Alvin Ng escribió: > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who > the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >>> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >>> those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >>> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >>> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no >>> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >>> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >>> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >>> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >>> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home >>> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to >>> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >>> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >>> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >>> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >>> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >>> extra announcements. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >>> Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >>> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >>> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >>> off. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >>>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >>>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>>> Edward Herbert >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Gerardo Corripio >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20,
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Good point about the threads not being numbered or named. That may cause me to turn the extra verbiage back on. I think I will also suggest to Apple that they consider breaking those container descriptions out into types to give more detailed control, some might want the Dock to speak but not the Toolbar. Or want threading to be named and numbered but not have the dock or toolbar, etc. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? Yes, it seems that with container announcements off you can't tell who the sender of an email is in the threaded mail view. You also can't tell which email you are reading in a thread -- three of six or whatever. Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.—Martin Luther King Jr. On Sep 21, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com>> wrote: Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? On 9/21/20, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra verbiage. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng mailto:alvin@gmail.com>> wrote: But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who the sender is. On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones mailto:jmjones...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. Kim On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com>> wrote: Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Toolbar? I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such extra announcements. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary Ot
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Thanks. That's what I figured, but I just wanted to check. I'm sticking with 13.7 for a while. On 9/21/20, Mike B wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I have the older SE 2016 running iOS14 and it does have the Container > settings in Verboscity, but my new SE 2020 does not have the Container > settings in Verboscity and this phone is running iOS13.7. > > Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! > > - Original Message - > From: Joshua Hendrickson > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > > Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, > accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything > about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? > > On 9/21/20, Richard Turner wrote: >> I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still >> speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says >> the >> names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra >> verbiage. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >> Edward >> Herbert >> >> On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng wrote: >> >> But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know >> which >> message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce >> who the sender is. >> >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the >> "container >> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra >> speech. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or >> well >> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one >> of >> those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says >> no >> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. >> Again, >> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >> there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first >> home >> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements >> to >> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab >> bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This >> is >> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding >> such >> extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Mary >> Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I
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Yes, I tis only in iOS 14. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mike B Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? Hi Joshua, I have the older SE 2016 running iOS14 and it does have the Container settings in Verboscity, but my new SE 2020 does not have the Container settings in Verboscity and this phone is running iOS13.7. Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! - Original Message - From: Joshua Hendrickson<mailto:louv...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Toolbar? Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? On 9/21/20, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: > I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still > speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the > names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra > verbiage. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng > mailto:alvin@gmail.com>> wrote: > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce > who the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones > mailto:jmjones...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra > speech. > > Michael > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz > mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well > intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of > those cases where more isn't better. > I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least > include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more > experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says > no > unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X > unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just > more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, > probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. > > > Cristóbal > > -----Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to > turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. > After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first > home > screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements > to > Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how > you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way > competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" > spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a > number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is > definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such > extra announcements. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@goog
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Hi Joshua, I have the older SE 2016 running iOS14 and it does have the Container settings in Verboscity, but my new SE 2020 does not have the Container settings in Verboscity and this phone is running iOS13.7. Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! - Original Message - From: Joshua Hendrickson To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Toolbar? Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? On 9/21/20, Richard Turner wrote: > I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still > speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the > names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra > verbiage. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - > Edward > Herbert > > On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng wrote: > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce > who the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra > speech. > > Michael > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or > well > intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one > of > those cases where more isn't better. > I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least > include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more > experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says > no > unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X > unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just > more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, > probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. > > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to > turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. > After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first > home > screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements > to > Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how > you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way > competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab > bar" > spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a > number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This > is > definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding > such > extra announcements. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean > really, > toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s > deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk > off. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying > the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if > one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. > > > > Richard > "
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Yes, it seems that with container announcements off you can't tell who the sender of an email is in the threaded mail view. You also can't tell which email you are reading in a thread -- three of six or whatever. Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.—Martin Luther King Jr. > On Sep 21, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, > accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything > about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? > >> On 9/21/20, Richard Turner wrote: >> I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still >> speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the >> names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra >> verbiage. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward >> Herbert >> >> On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng wrote: >> >> But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which >> message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce >> who the sender is. >> >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container >> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra >> speech. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >> those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says >> no >> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first >> home >> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements >> to >> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >> extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >> Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >> off. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 20, 2020,
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Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? On 9/21/20, Richard Turner wrote: > I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still > speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the > names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra > verbiage. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng wrote: > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce > who the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra > speech. > > Michael > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well > intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of > those cases where more isn't better. > I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least > include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more > experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says > no > unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X > unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just > more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, > probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. > > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to > turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. > After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first > home > screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements > to > Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how > you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way > competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" > spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a > number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is > definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such > extra announcements. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, > toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s > deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk > off. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying > the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if > one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - > Edward Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM > T
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I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra verbiage. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng wrote: But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who the sender is. On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. Kim On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Toolbar? I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such extra announcements. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk off. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner wrote: That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Toolbar? I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Ca
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But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce who the sender is. On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones wrote: Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >> those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no >> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home >> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to >> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >> extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >> Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >> off. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>> wrote: >>> >>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>> Edward Herbert >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Gerardo Corripio >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Toolbar? >>> >>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the >>> dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it >>> an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? >>> Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. >>> >>> Gera >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >
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Oh Christopher, I dind't know apple had issues, I thought it was perfect in every way shape and form! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:14 pm To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Toolbar? It's just too bad people don't ask if there is such a toggle before jumping to conclusions on how bad Apple is getting. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:53 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > Thank God! NO ToolBar mentions. What a relief! It’s so nice to be > getting back the voiceOver we’ve known throughout our iPHone lives! > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > > El 20 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:39 p.m., Cristóbal Muñoz > > > escribió: > > > > Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of > > Shirley Baker > > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > > > I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was > > for. So glad > we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more > than me. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the > >> "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like > >>> the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > >>> > >>> Kim > >>> > >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a > >>>> bug or well intentioned effort to provide more > >>>> description/information, but it's one of those cases where more isn't > >>>> better. > >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very > >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give > >>>> us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, > >>>> VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO > >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in > >>>> that folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to > >>>> sift through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate > >>>> for when hints > are turned on. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cristóbal > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On > Behalf > >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? > >>>> > >>>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be > >>>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one > >>>> of the > apps there. > >>>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my > >>>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such > >>>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow > >>>> them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize > >>>> what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user > >>>> doesn't > need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" > >>>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and > >>>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility > >>>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out > >>>> especially now that they are
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It's just too bad people don't ask if there is such a toggle before jumping to conclusions on how bad Apple is getting. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:53 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > Thank God! NO ToolBar mentions. What a relief! It’s so nice to be getting back > the voiceOver we’ve known throughout our iPHone lives! > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > > El 20 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:39 p.m., Cristóbal Muñoz > escribió: > > > > Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of > > Shirley Baker > > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > > > I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was for. So > > glad > we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more than > me. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like > >>> the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > >>> > >>> Kim > >>> > >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug > >>>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, > >>>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. > >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very > >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give > >>>> us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, > >>>> VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO > >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that > >>>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift > >>>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints > are turned on. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cristóbal > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On > Behalf > >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? > >>>> > >>>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be > >>>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the > apps there. > >>>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my > >>>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such > >>>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow > >>>> them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what > >>>> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't > need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" > >>>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and > >>>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility > >>>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially > >>>> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On > Behalf > >>>> Of Mary Otten > >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? > >>>> > >>>> It would be nice to
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Thank God! NO ToolBar mentions. What a relief! It’s so nice to be getting back the voiceOver we’ve known throughout our iPHone lives! Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > El 20 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:39 p.m., Cristóbal Muñoz > escribió: > > Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing. > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Shirley Baker > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was for. So > glad we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more > than me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container >> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >>> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >>> >>> Kim >>> >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>>> are turned on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cristóbal >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >>>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the >>>> apps there. >>>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >>>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >>>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >>>> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >>>> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need >>>> to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >>>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >>>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >>>> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>>> Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >>>> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >>>> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >>>> turn all this junk off. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock >>>>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we ar
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I take that back. Toolbar's gone. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 7:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Toolbar? Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was for. So glad we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more than me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>> are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >>> there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >>> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >>> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to >>> hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >>> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >>> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >>> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >>> turn all this junk off. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock >>>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, >>>> as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the >>>> screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >>>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >>>> regretted
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Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was for. So glad we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more than me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>> are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps >>> there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >>> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >>> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to >>> hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >>> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >>> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >>> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >>> turn all this junk off. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock >>>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, >>>> as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the >>>> screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >>>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >>>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted >>>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>
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I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was for. So glad we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more than me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >>> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >>> those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >>> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >>> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no >>> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >>> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >>> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >>> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >>> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home >>> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to >>> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >>> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >>> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >>> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >>> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >>> extra announcements. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >>> Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >>> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >>> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >>> off. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >>>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >>>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>>> Edward Herbert >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Gerardo Corripio >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the >>>> dock where you have the ToolBa
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It works in messages too. It got rid of the conversations announcement. Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.—Martin Luther King Jr. > On Sep 20, 2020, at 9:38 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > > > Thanks for the tip! I left it on tones, to see what happens. > > > Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 > > De: Mary Otten > Enviado: domingo, 20 de septiembre de 2020 08:26 p. m. > Para: viphone@googlegroups.com > Asunto: Re: Toolbar? > > Thanks, Michael. I didn’t even know that setting existed. I turned it off, > and blessed silence. God I wonder if it works in the messages app not say > conversations. That would be cool. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra > > speech. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner > >> wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > >> > >> Kim > >> > >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or > >>> well > >>> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one > >>> of > >>> those cases where more isn't better. > >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least > >>> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more > >>> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says > >>> no > >>> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X > >>> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just > >>> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, > >>> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. > >>> > >>> > >>> Cristóbal > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > >>> Sieghard Weitzel > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? > >>> > >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to > >>> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. > >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first > >>> home > >>> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements > >>> to > >>> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how > >>> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way > >>> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab > >>> bar" > >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a > >>> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This > >>> is > >>> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding > >>> such > >>> extra announcements. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > >>> Mary > >>> Otten > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? > >>> > >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean > >>> really, > >>> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s > >>> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk > >>> off. > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > >>>> > >>>> wrote:
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Thanks for the tip! I left it on tones, to see what happens. Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 De: Mary OttenEnviado: domingo, 20 de septiembre de 2020 08:26 p. m.Para: viphone@googlegroups.comAsunto: Re: Toolbar? Thanks, Michael. I didn’t even know that setting existed. I turned it off, and blessed silence. God I wonder if it works in the messages app not say conversations. That would be cool. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote:> > Hi,> > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech.> > Michael> > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote:>> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the>> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app.>> >> Kim>> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote:>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well>>> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of>>> those cases where more isn't better.>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least>>> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more>>> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken.>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no>>> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X>>> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just>>> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again,>>> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on.>>> >>> >>> Cristóbal>>> >>> -Original Message->>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of>>> Sieghard Weitzel>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com>>> Subject: RE: Toolbar?>>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to>>> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there.>>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home>>> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to>>> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how>>> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way>>> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar">>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a>>> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is>>> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such>>> extra announcements.>>> >>> -Original Message->>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary>>> Otten>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com>>> Subject: Re: Toolbar?>>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really,>>> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s>>> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk>>> off.>>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone>>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> wrote:>>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying>>>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen.>>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if>>>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen.>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard>>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass>>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient>>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not>>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" ->>>> Edward Herbert>>>> >>>> -Original Message->>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of>>>> Gerardo Corripio>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM
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Thanks, Michael. I didn’t even know that setting existed. I turned it off, and blessed silence. God I wonder if it works in the messages app not say conversations. That would be cool. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >>> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >>> those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >>> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >>> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no >>> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >>> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >>> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >>> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >>> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home >>> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to >>> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >>> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >>> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >>> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >>> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >>> extra announcements. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >>> Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >>> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >>> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >>> off. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >>>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >>>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>>> Edward Herbert >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Gerardo Corripio >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the >>>&g
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That seems to have worked. I'm no longer hearing the toolbar announcement. Thank you so much! That was driving me crazy. Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.—Martin Luther King Jr. > On Sep 20, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Michael Jones wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. > > Michael > > > > > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: >> >> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >> >> Kim >> >>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >>> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >>> those cases where more isn't better. >>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >>> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >>> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no >>> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >>> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >>> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >>> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >>> >>> >>> Cristóbal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>> >>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >>> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home >>> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to >>> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >>> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >>> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >>> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >>> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >>> extra announcements. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >>> Otten >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>> >>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >>> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >>> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >>> off. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >>>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >>>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>>> Edward Herbert >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Gerardo Corripio >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> I’m curious if when we touch, for exa
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Hi, Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. Michael > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well >> intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of >> those cases where more isn't better. >> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least >> include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more >> experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no >> unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X >> unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just >> more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, >> probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to >> turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. >> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home >> screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to >> Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how >> you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way >> competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a >> number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is >> definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such >> extra announcements. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary >> Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, >> toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s >> deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk >> off. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>> wrote: >>> >>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >>> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >>> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>> Edward Herbert >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Gerardo Corripio >>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Toolbar? >>> >>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the >>> dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it >>> an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? >>> Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. >>> >>> Gera >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or modera
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Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. Kim On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well > intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of > those cases where more isn't better. > I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least > include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more > experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no > unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X > unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just > more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, > probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. > > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to > turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. > After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home > screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to > Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how > you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way > competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" > spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a > number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is > definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such > extra announcements. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, > toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s > deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk > off. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >> wrote: >> >> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying >> the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if >> one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >> Edward Herbert >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Gerardo Corripio >> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Toolbar? >> >> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the >> dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it >> an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? >> Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. >> >> Gera >> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=WIItVh1zTKuJmObT%2BBeG2fBASa2qJ3lrerNQErey7s8%3Dreserved=0 >> --- >> You re
RE: Toolbar?
Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Toolbar? I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such extra announcements. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk off. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying the > Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if one > couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Toolbar? > > I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the dock > where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it an > iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? Of > course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=WIItVh1zTKuJmObT%2BBeG2fBASa2qJ3lrerNQErey7s8%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FF1EE567E-E39E-4BE2-AD03-827AAA38B2CB%2540gmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sda
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I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding such extra announcements. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Toolbar? It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk off. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying the > Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if one > couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Toolbar? > > I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the dock > where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it an > iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? Of > course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=WIItVh1zTKuJmObT%2BBeG2fBASa2qJ3lrerNQErey7s8%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FF1EE567E-E39E-4BE2-AD03-827AAA38B2CB%2540gmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=PIRdR%2F6Vvg5kFddQLKpUBeCxvyLdYt6P%2BHKUUHmigiw%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@goo
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It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk off. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying the > Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if one > couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Toolbar? > > I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the dock > where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it an > iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? Of > course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=WIItVh1zTKuJmObT%2BBeG2fBASa2qJ3lrerNQErey7s8%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FF1EE567E-E39E-4BE2-AD03-827AAA38B2CB%2540gmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=PIRdR%2F6Vvg5kFddQLKpUBeCxvyLdYt6P%2BHKUUHmigiw%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR17MB19814E46BBDEC21E38DE6C1AB73D0%40MWHPR17MB1981.namprd17.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/7AD65541-99B2-4F89-88B0-DBBB95DD3499%40gmail.com.
RE: Toolbar?
That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Toolbar? I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=WIItVh1zTKuJmObT%2BBeG2fBASa2qJ3lrerNQErey7s8%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FF1EE567E-E39E-4BE2-AD03-827AAA38B2CB%2540gmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C9c76e50901cb4999479d08d85d8c006a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637362203160448113sdata=PIRdR%2F6Vvg5kFddQLKpUBeCxvyLdYt6P%2BHKUUHmigiw%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR17MB19814E46BBDEC21E38DE6C1AB73D0%40MWHPR17MB1981.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.
