Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Getting pad for the EVR test was still possible at that juncture and Rossi might not have wanted to say anything that would discourage that payment, On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > A few days seem like an eternity. Anyone remember this statement

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

A few days seem like an eternity. Anyone remember this statement from Rossi in early March? Velda Funderburke March 11, 2016 at 6:17 AM Dr Andrea Rossi: After the press release of Tom Darden the usual imbeciles are talking of divorce between IH and Leonardo Corporation: can you comment on this

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's response do IH

The COP of Lugano is not commercializable but it is gainful. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jack Cole wrote: > It seems quite possible that Rossi taught IH the Lugano (false) method of > experimentation, which they continued to use and be impressed with the > amazing COPs

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Steven Kirvit reports. Steven was in this early and went to see Rossi in Europe. http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/04/08/industrial-heat-says-goodbye-to-rossi/#more-43319 Frank

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

So, according to Rossi, IH has everything. All the know-how necessary to build a reactor. I hope this is true and the Chinese use the invention in the most pervasive way! 2016-04-08 23:23 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil : > Rossi is pissed because his IP was given to competitors. > >

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Rossi is pissed because his IP was given to competitors. Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 8:32 PM Hank Mills: They prepared everything, the charges, the body of the reactor EVERYTHING !!!. I just teached to them what to do. They

Re: [Vo]:Problems with 2012 Penon report

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:04:31 -0400: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > >Perhaps you just misinterpret what he said. It could also be taken to mean:- > >"the output varied between 2.5 and 3.7 kW" rather than that there was a >> large >> error in the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's response do IH

It seems quite possible that Rossi taught IH the Lugano (false) method of experimentation, which they continued to use and be impressed with the amazing COPs it produced. This may have continued until they discovered it was invalid. At that point, they may have tried further replications getting

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

The Lugano reactor was IH tech. This marginal system is what IH is concerned about. They need Rossi's new systems. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > As I have

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Nothing to disagree with there. I think there is something fishy going on, like the MW reactor supplying heat 24/7, but Rossi is choosing to pick the best 8 hours of the day to calculate his reactor's performance. With that kind of thinking (and I am just speculating), a set of rechargeable

[Vo]:Rossi's response do IH

It seems that IH is responsible for a lot of what we have seen as Rossi's doing. Dear Janne: I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a forensic act. They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many replications of which we have due record and

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: As I have previously pointed out, Clarke's analysis is flawed in terms of > COP analysis - perhaps as badly as the analysis by the Lugano researchers. > Failure to recognize and account for the transmitted radiation

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Jed, You or all people understand the need to destroy people and put a company out of business on account of a perceived slight. Defkalion cost you $1000 on a plane ticket and you did your best to kill that company. Rossi's situation was far worse. He was forced to spend 1 year working 18 hours

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Russ I agree - I rather tried to be humorous. It baffles me that IH let it go to lawsuit without negotiations. It is of course possible such negotiations has been ongoing for a long time, on the other hand. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

From: Bob Higgins Don't get me wrong, Tom Clarke did good forensic research and wrote a good paper. In Clarke's comment about the translucency, he states: "This error is impossible to quantify because it depends on the heater wire emissivity, temperature, and surface coverage, all of which

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Unlikely a PR stunt not unlikely a negotiation over the $89 million. From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 4:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi Lots of speculations. The good news is thanks to

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Lots of speculations. The good news is thanks to the lawsuit we will soon learn what an Ecat can do. To me it is amazing that no other indication, and a weak one - the press release mid March, signaled the rift between IH and AR. Maybe Alain is correct the whole lawsuit is a PR job: Wouldn't that

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

As there is no trade agreement between the US and China transfer of IP from the US to China is really hard to understand that IH have transferred the IP. I agree with that this is the way we will get final clarity about how well or at all the E-cat works. That might be good - I think so. The

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

just a naive/stupid idea ? does IH just want Rossi to bring good and solid evidence to the court, so they have to pay, and then be rich with LENR industry, whoever's technology is used and paid ? after all, who cares if E-cat can be sold. if E-cat is proven to work, instantly thousands of startup

[Vo]:Re: Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

It is my understanding that the test in Rossi's facility in Ferrara, Italy was the 24 hr test that IH first witnesses to form the basis for buying the 1 Mw unit. Rossi subsequently shipped to NC. It consisted of 100 10 kw reactors. The successful 24 hr test earned Rossi $10 to add to the

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

IH is in a bad place, they can't produce the E-Cat and Rossi won't tell them how. Rossi will do his best to destroy these people as payback for not playing right by him. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > No, IH

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Any chance IH and Rossi have a sense of humor? Harry

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Axil Axil wrote: No, IH wants to know how Rossi can get a COP of 50 and they can't. > Sure they can. Just pay him $89 million. He would then have to abide by the contract. If, as you say, he does not want to abide by it, he can refuse the money. He is not refusing it. He is

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

No, IH wants to know how Rossi can get a COP of 50 and they can't. Rossi want to hurt IH, its the Italian way. Rossi will try to give IH nothing, give their territory to someone else or just keep it for himself and still get the 90M. After all, that is decent money even if you stand to make

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Bob , if you are correct the Chinese will have this tech in production very rapidly and then it doesn’t matter, an international technical race will ensue where government labs have carte blanche to catch up with the Chinese. Making Rossi whole will be an afterthought because the economy and

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

I do not accept this analysis as definitive. Please note the very rapid change in measured temperature of the Lugano reactor that occurs with a small change in input drive power. How would you explain that as a function of the material? Do you believe that the material changes properties

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Axil Axil wrote: Rossi does not need IH anymore and he was looking for a way out from under > the IH contract without giving IH that 50 COP package. > If that were the case, Rossi would simply walk away. Let me remind you he is suing I.H. for $89 million. He wants payment

Re: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

The Lugano test used Rossi's fuel and it did not produce commercial levels of excess heat. There is more to Rossi's reactor than just the fuel mix. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > I do not consider it would be good faith to claim OWNERSHIP OF E-CAT IP

[Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to RossiI do not consider it would be good faith to claim OWNERSHIP OF E-CAT IP rather than licensee to use it to provide products in the license domain. IH has had advertised substantial involvement with various entities in China. The question in my

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Rossi does not need IH anymore and he was looking for a way out from under the IH contract without giving IH that 50 COP package. IH has the COP 6 package but they wanted that real good stuff that Rossi was helding back from IH, On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

He seems to be over aggressive to the point of "almost" lying. I don't know legalese. You see, it's either that or IH is full of shit with their 3 year claim of nothing proved. His sudden attack on IH, only a few days after the report was released, with full disclosure of a conflict, since years

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Jed wrote: "Anyone who uses a patented technology must pay royalties. It makes no difference whether you previously had an agreement with the inventor or not." It is only too easy to fight an "improved" patent. The patent fight destroyed the Wright Bros. "The Wrights' preoccupation with

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

What kind of LENR tech did IH buy from Rossi? If the deal was done three years ago, then the COP that should be expected is under 6. Yes, Rossi will produce the new COP 50 systems, and IH will sell them. But Rossi will design that factory for IH and that tech will not be transferred to China.. On

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

The Lugano test was a demonstration of IH technology that was in place as of a few months ago. Rossi supported the test but had nothing to do with it or had any stake in that test succeeding. The state of IH LENR tech as show by Lugano was poor even if Rossi told IH how to produce the fuel. The

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

a.ashfield wrote: > Jed wrote: "Surely they would have to pay royalties in that case." > > Not necessarily. They could claim the agreement was null and void as the > bench mark failed. > Anyone who uses a patented technology must pay royalties. It makes no difference

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Don't get me wrong, Tom Clarke did good forensic research and wrote a good paper. In Clarke's comment about the translucency, he states: "This error is impossible to quantify because it depends on the heater wire emissivity, temperature, and surface coverage, all of which are unknown." I agree,

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Jed wrote: "Surely they would have to pay royalties in that case." Not necessarily. They could claim the agreement was null and void as the bench mark failed. Then develop there own device that was different because it had a higher COP. Look at the Wright Bros & Curtis or Bell & Meucci Why

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Andrea Rossi April 6, 2016 at 4:07 PM Domenico Canino: This time the story goes that “Meucci” has the patent, the industry, the product and whomever will try to compete against us will discover what is there under the tip of the

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

Beene wrote: "If anyone is still operating under the illusion that there was valid thermal gain at Lugano, please re-educate yourself via the authoritative work of Thomas Clarke." I agree the Lugano report failed in calibration. I don't take Clarke's analysis as gospel. He makes a number of

[Vo]:Rossi story missing from media outside blogosphere ?

Here’s a chance for a bit of Vortean Crowd work, where has any report of the Rossi story made it into ‘mainstream’ media, mainstream meaning outside of blogs and social media. Contributions of links here will be a good collective exercise.

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Bob, Your point about the transmitted radiation is answered by Clarke’s final quoted observation, which I included. Since transmitted radiation would be greater with greater input power -- if it were to be relevant -- we can judge its relevance by looking at differential COP. Since the

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

a.ashfield wrote: Jed wrote: Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if > the demo worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be > on track to make vast amounts of money . . . That wasn't me, but I agree. > Suppose IH thought

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

A large blob of melted nickel that was pealed out of the Lugano reactor speaks louder than any thermocouple. The core of the Lugano reactor got beyond 1455C no matter what the external temperature reading showed or how those measurements were made. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Axil Axil wrote: Rossi was ready to pounce with his lawsuit the moment the 5 days had passed > after the ERV report and he didn't get paid. > It does seem like a lot of work went into the filing. I suppose I.H. was prepared too. Their March 10 statement said, in effect, "we

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Jed wrote: Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track to make vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they would be doing so with a big smile on their face." I think

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Daniel Rocha wrote: I still do not believe that Rossi got the 10 million from the escrow. > That's his version. This is not compatible with IH claiming they were not > to get anything proven in 3 years . . . > Why on earth do you think that Rossi would claim he got the

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Rossi was ready to pounce with his lawsuit the moment the 5 days had passed after the ERV report and he didn't get paid. He had his "plan B" in place as soon as IH showed their true nature. It had to take some time to prepare the case filing; in other words: how far in advance did Rossi see this

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

It also could be that IH is lying. The Chinese are bidding to high and want little to do with someone with bad temper, mouthful, that can explode at anytime. And to add to the injury, it also goes against the Confucian culture,

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

I still do not believe that Rossi got the 10 million from the escrow. That's his version. This is not compatible with IH claiming they were not to get anything proven in 3 years, which would include any test. I think aiming for the 89 million implies that Rossi would also automatically would

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Jones, As I have previously pointed out, Clarke's analysis is flawed in terms of COP analysis - perhaps as badly as the analysis by the Lugano researchers. Failure to recognize and account for the transmitted radiation through the outer envelope is a BIG error. Insufficient data was taken and/or

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Axil Axil wrote: > Who could expect justice and morality from a money manager faced with the > prospects of a thousand trillion dollars of revenue at his fingertips. > I would expect justice and morality from such people, in that situation. I have dealt with such people.

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

1. Mariana October 20th, 2015 at 12:23 AM Dear Dr Andrea Rossi: Why did you write that it is heavy to answer the question about when will it possible to invest in Leonardo Corporation? 2. Andrea Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

Jones Beene wrote: > If anyone is still operating under the illusion that there was valid > thermal > gain at Lugano, please re-educate yourself via the authoritative work of > Thomas Clarke. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1c8DgA3A7ovRVhQcHBweTVNbjg/view?pref=2 >

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

If anyone is still operating under the illusion that there was valid thermal gain at Lugano, please re-educate yourself via the authoritative work of Thomas Clarke. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1c8DgA3A7ovRVhQcHBweTVNbjg/view?pref=2 =1 The conclusion: The analysis here shows that the

[Vo]:To escape blame, be a victim, not a hero, new study finds

Seems pertinent - perhaps to either side you find yourself on at present. Great works and praiseworthy behavior may bring respect and admiration, but these won't help us to escape blame when we do something wrong, says a new study by researchers at the University of Maryland and Harvard

RE: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

From: Robert Dorr I stand corrected. Rossi said, just today, that I.H built the E-Cat for the Lugano test and that they even signed it. But the Lugano reactor did not produce significant excess heat, after the measurement errors were accounted for, so the Lugano fiasco reaffirms the

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC.

I stand corrected. Rossi said, just today, that I.H built the E-Cat for the Lugano test and that they even signed it. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR On 4/7/2016 7:11 PM, Robert Dorr wrote: You will notice it says that Rossi and I.H. provided an E-Cat for "a" test measurement (I read as a singular

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

* Teemu April 8, 2016 at 6:20 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, In this document it says that Henry W. Johnson, aka the President of Leonard Corp., is also the President of JMC. Did I understand correctly?

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Dear Ruby, please take a look to my EGO OUT editorial of today. Peter On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Ruby wrote: > > Why would the E-Cat unit sit for a year (back in 2012) with no where to go > for testing when IH brought it for testing in the first place? (Remember >

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

From: Jack Cole Yes, and now he's trying to drag Brillouin down with himself and IH. He is claiming that the idea for Brillouin's HHT came from IH. Silliness, since BEC has been working on that idea for years. The difference may be that Brillouin's technology seems more likely to actually

[Vo]:if IH will tell the truth re LENR and Rossi. IF!

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-8-2016-lenr-what-would-ih-say-when.html Do you are aware that now it is the time when anti-LENR conspirationists try to kill it?They try to covert the moment of triumph in a disaster. I have many times criticized Andrea Rossi but now we must show him

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Robert Lynn wrote: Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo > worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track > to make vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they > would be doing

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Ruby, clearly the history of the E-Cat is quite relevant and supports Rossi’s case that IH strongly believed in the tech. That IH has had the hardware in hand and has claimed to add inventions to the patent portfolio is evidence that they knew it works. The real reason behind the snarky

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Why would the E-Cat unit sit for a year (back in 2012) with no where to go for testing when IH brought it for testing in the first place? (Remember everyone bashing Rossi for the delay after photos surfaced of the shipment?) Why would IH agree to such an "incompetent" tester?

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

It will be a simple matter now for Rossi to win in the courts of public opinion and law. He merely has to do what he has always said he was working tirelessly to do – that is to build and deliver working E-Cats. As just one of those E-Cats is seen to be delivered and functioning his legal case

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

Yes, and now he's trying to drag Brillouin down with himself and IH. He is claiming that the idea for Brillouin's HHT came from IH. Silliness, since BEC has been working on that idea for years. The difference may be that Brillouin's technology seems more likely to actually work and they are

RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

From: Robert Lynn Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track to make vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they would be doing so with a big smile on their face.

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

It's possible that IH simply doesn't have the money to pay and they flaked. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: > *De-lurks* > > Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo > worked they would be the happiest people in