Re: [Vo]:Rossi Responds

2011-01-17 Thread P.J van Noorden
Hello, What I don`t understand is that with this system producing 15 kW of power the temperature in the room isn`t higher then 23 degrees Celcius. This amount of power corresponds to a group of 150 people or an intense perpendicular solar flux through a large window of 15 m2. It seems that ev

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Responds

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Gluck
This heat was removed by condensing the steam- by the cooling water. Peter the Older On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:45 PM, P.J van Noorden wrote: > Hello, > > What I don`t understand is that with this system producing 15 kW of power > the temperature in the room isn`t higher then 23 degrees Celcius.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Responds

2011-01-17 Thread P.J van Noorden
Hello Peter, On the photo http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/bolognia-14111-cronaca-test-fusione_14.html I see a black flexible pipe, which must be the cold water input. The other transparent pipe is

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Responds

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Gluck
Very probably..I cannot find other explanation, your observation re heat in the room was very wise. It seem we will receive the quantitative data only toward the end of the week- I think 1/2 hour would be sufficient for a thermotechnician- vederemo! (Let's see. I have just published my thoughts & f

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Responds

2011-01-17 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Is this a misdirection or could the drive also be needed to prevent the sort of runaway we saw in Rayney nickel? First the drive aids in causing the effect - perhaps triggering an avalanche and then slaves the energy release to a certain duty factor? Fran Daniel G. Zavela January 15th, 2011 a

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread peatbog
FWIW. I found this at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1951&page=7 I asked a contact from Italy check the videos and documentation last night (the contact knows the Bologna university very well). Summary: Rossi just has a black box where the university scientists are n

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Gluck
Ok, if the black box will be openedm what can we see except some black or not- powder? Can we expect that Rossi gives detailed description, recipe, protocol. a 101NiH course and a long FAQ so that anybody skilled enough (a pervese formulation BTW!) can reproduce his gizmo and use it to generate ene

[Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011 by Jed Rothwell The experiment has been underway at U. Bologna since mid-December 2010. It has been done several times. Several professors with expertise in related subjects such as calorimetry are in

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I uploaded that to the News section. I was tempted to add: "Hey, Richard Garwin: here's your cuppa tea, big guy!" I will soon upload a more detailed description by Mike Melich, and I hope I can add Prof. Levi's report. I think it is all but certain these results are real. They cannot be a mi

[Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Jones Beene
Here is the website of the company founded by Andrea Rossi and others a few years ago. This company funded and owns the technology in question. http://www.lti-global.com/index.php However, apparently there has been some kind of falling-out with Rossi, and as you can see there is no mention

[Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jed, Nice job! My only question regards the Alternating-current heater used to bring the Rossi device up the working temperature. Do they specify if this is just out of the wall AC or a more elaborate HV duty factor sort of arrangement? Regards Fran Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is a quote from peatbog, who is not here. I would answer his "skeptical" assertions as follows. You can see why I wrote my short description the way I did: The university scientists are 'used' by Rossi to provide acceptance for his in invention. Maybe one scientist is involved in the scam

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > This is a quote from peatbog, who is not here. Peatbog has crossposted from a forum that is a spinoff of the Steorn forum. The actual author is ping1...@gmail.com if you wish to address him directly. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Gluck
What about China, India, Japan and Russia - for the first stage? Peter On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Here is the website of the company founded by Andrea Rossi and others a > few years ago. This company funded and owns the technology in question. > > > > http://www.lti-

Re: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: However, apparently there has been some kind of falling-out with Rossi, and as you can see there is no mention of any of this on the website. It seems he is being marginalized. I just hope that someone else in the world knows how to make the material, in case something

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Roarty, Francis X wrote: Nice job! My only question regards the Alternating-current heater used to bring the Rossi device up the working temperature. Do they specify if this is just out of the wall AC or a more elaborate HV duty factor sort of arrangement? I asked that but I have not got a

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread peatbog
> This is a quote from peatbog, who is not here. Huh? I'm right here! > I would answer > his "skeptical" assertions as follows. I was quoting someone who was quoting someone who is familiar with the workings of the University of Bologna. > So why don't you > give us a thumbnail description of

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread P.J van Noorden
Hello Jed, How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? Was the Rossi device weighted before and after the test? The diameter of the device is about 10 cm, so there could still be a few liters inside after the experiment. An easy way to measure the heat of this system more accuratel

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I revised the H2 flow measurement part already. The first report I will upload today is by Melich. This week or next we should have one by Prof. Levi. These people are busy, which is why it took so long for them to give my report the once-over, and even they overlooked the part about weighing

RE: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell >> JB: First off, he will sell not a single unit in the USA without an NRC license, which is complicated, costly and takes years. > JR: This will not be a problem at first, because of an odd situation. When Melvin Miles was conducting cold fusion experiments in the early 19

Re: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones, I often disagree with you, but this time I have to say your suspicions ring a chord. Something doesn't smell right here. Please check me on this, because I'm not sure I've got it right. And feel free to yell at me; I realize I'm going kind of far on not much evidence. * The basic wor

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Salut, Jed. I'm not Peatbog but this whole thing really bothers me, and I'd love to be convinced that it's real. On 01/17/2011 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > So, you think it is a scam? All hypothesis -- including yours -- must > be held to the same standard of rigor. So why don't you give us

[Vo]:Rossi posts message out in New Energy Times: "Rossi Discovery – What to Say?" section

2011-01-17 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Not sure if the following tidbit has already been posted here or not, but it seemed relevant considering some of the controversy surrounding Rossi. See: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/15/rossi-discovery-what-to-say/#comment-67 *

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > The box is connected to an ordinary wall socket, which cannot possibly > provide 12 kW European outlets typically carry 220 volts. 12 kw / 220 volts = 54 amps. It's not impossible to draw that from a simple wall plug, but it takes some preparatio

[Vo]:Have the Professors gone over the setup with a fine tooth comb?

2011-01-17 Thread Jeff Driscoll
This email questions whether or not the sensor described in Rossi's setup can measure the dryness of the steam and whether or not there was a double check on the "steam" calorimetry by using the amount of cooling water along with the change in temperature of the cooling water to calculate energy.

RE: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen - There are a few other details in the "big picture" that are not common knowledge, but should be mentioned. This is not really a breakthrough in one sense, but that all depends on how "public" you think the demo is/was. After all, it did show up on the internet. Does that make you believe

Re: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 12:52 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > Stephen - There are a few other details in the "big picture" that are > not common knowledge, but should be mentioned. This is not really a > breakthrough in one sense, but that all depends on how "public" you > think the demo is/was. After all, it d

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
I was going to mention this before I saw Peter's message, but he beat me to it. On 01/17/2011 11:14 AM, P.J van Noorden wrote: > Hello Jed, > > How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? Was the Rossi > device weighted before and after the test? The diameter of the device > is about 1

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: It's not impossible to draw that from a simple wall plug, but it takes some preparation. While I doubt that's how it was done, unless someone inspected the plug and the cord, it can't be ruled out as being "impossible", particularly if the 12 kW can be shaded a bit.

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Remain detached. I'm not convinced either way. harry > >From: Stephen A. Lawrence >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:18:29 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era? > >Salut, Jed. I'm not Peatbog but this whole thing really bothers me, and I'd >love to be convinced t

[Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Check List for LENR Validation Experiments David J. Nagel The George Washington University 17 January 2011 Focardi and Rossi demonstrated a boiler device on 14 January 2011, which converted water at about 13 C to steam at 101 C. It was said to involve nuclear reactions between nickel built in

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 01:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> It's not impossible to draw that from a simple wall plug, but it >> takes some preparation. While I doubt that's how it was done, unless >> someone inspected the plug and the cord, it can't be ruled out as >> being "im

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 02:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > Remain detached. > I'm not convinced either way. Neither am I, Harry. I'm obviously leaning /against/ at this point but I know perfectly well I'm no expert. I'm still reading the discussion with deep interest. I've slung some mud, it's true, bu

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On your following list, it appears that item #3 may not have been satisfied. Unless the steam was collected, condensed, and weighed, one significant "matter stream" was not properly accounted for. The device itself should also be weighed, before and after, in order to further assure that all stre

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? That's what the RH meter is for. (May have answered already.) This is another example of the disastrous consequences of depending on a "black box" test. The stuff coming out could have been dry steam, or it

[Vo]:Leonardo Corp Appears Involved

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
>From Sterling Allan's site: http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/ excerpt: "Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe. Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years. Presently Rossi says they are manufacturing a 1 megawatt

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 02:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >>> How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? > > That's what the RH meter is for. (May have answered already.) Mmmm? I didn't see that mentioned, and I didn't realize that's what it was doing. In fact I t

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corp Appears Involved

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 02:42 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >From Sterling Allan's site: > > http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/ > > excerpt: > > "Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe. > Mass production should escalate in 2-3 year

Re: [Vo]:Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U. Bologna, January 14, 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Jeff Driscoll
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? > > That's what the RH meter is for. (May have answered already.) > > This is another example of the disastrous consequences of depending on a > "black b

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I'm still reading the discussion with deep interest. I've slung some mud, it's true, but largely in the hope that my points would be answered. (The unfortunate thing is, if this is not on the up-and-up, then it's in the world of con games, and nobody on this list

Re: [Vo]:Leonardo Corp Appears Involved

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > "Licensees" and "Inquiries about purchasing" mean money's involved, and > probably changing hands right now, today, well in advance of the expected > ship date for products. Well, further down in the article, Rossi apparently claims

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I think you should propose a method by which a con game would be physically > possible without the cooperation of the people who designed the calorimetry, > brought the instruments, and operated them. As a practical matter, you cannot do that until you have had time to study the tech

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OK, Jed, you've made a lot of good points. I will admit that you've made a very good case, and shut up about this. With ... er ... just one or two last comments: On 01/17/2011 04:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> I'm still reading the discussion with deep interest. I'

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 04:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I do not think there are any examples in the history of 20th or 21st > century experimental science in which a con-man was able to fool > experimentalists. Uri Geller, 1975, SRI.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Responds

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:02:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Andrea Rossi >January 15th, 2011 at 5:05 AM >Dear Mr Daniel Zavela: >Watts in: 400 wh/h >Watts out: 15,000 wh/h [snip] Watts of heat are not expressed in "wh/h" (where presumably the second h stands for hour),

Re: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 06:55:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] >First off, he will sell not a single unit in the USA without an NRC license, >which is complicated, costly and takes years. [snip] BTW note that were it not for the Cu then the whole shebang would be quite consisten

[Vo]:Rossi reactor

2011-01-17 Thread Taylor J. Smith
[The Rossi reactor] Bologna, January 14, 2011 by Jed Rothwell The experiment has been underway at U. Bologna since mid-December 2010. It has been done several times. Several professors with expertise in related subjects such as calorimetry are involved. LIST OF MAIN EQUIPMENT IN EXPERIMENT A

RE: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Nagel: "Given the input water flow of about 150 grams each half minute ..." OK, here is one more suspicious detail to check on, for anyone inclined - the flow rate. This assumption of 300g/min above could be way off. According to an excellent experi

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Nagel:"Given the input water flow of about 150 grams each half minute..." OK,here is one moresuspiciousdetail to check on, for anyone inclined- the flow rate.This assumptionof 300g/minabove could beway off. Nope. As you will see in the photos, if I can manage to untangle

[Vo]:Brief Technical Description uploaded

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay! Finally. See: Rothwell, J., ed./Brief Technical Description of the Leonardo Corporation, University of Bologna, and INFN Scientific Demonstration of the Andrea Rossi ECat (Energy Catalyzer) Boiler/. 2011, LENR-CANR.org. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJbrieftechn.pdf As you see, I

Re: [Vo]:Brief Technical Description uploaded

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Is the black hose the steam output? There sure is a lot of dark stain on the floor. T On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Okay! Finally. See: > > Rothwell, J., ed. Brief Technical Description of the Leonardo Corporation, > University of Bologna, and INFN Scientific Demonstrat

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > Nope. As you will see in the photos, if I can manage to untangle them and > upload them, the reservoir is sitting on a weight scale. (It wasn't the H2 > bottle, it was the water reservoir.) You can monitor the decrease in water. > Okay. I finally managed to upload the document. I refe

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
I would like to add another comment about what Jones Beene wrote: OK,here is one moresuspiciousdetail to check on, for anyone inclined- the flow rate.This assumptionof 300g/minabove could beway off. Beware of jumping to conclusions. Raising questions and wondering is essential, but do not a

[Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
In addition to Jed's recent, and highly appreciated, report on the "Energy Catalyzer), I noticed that one of my latest Google news feeds keyed to "Blacklight Power" directed me to the pesn.com "Pure Energy Systems" (PesWiki) web site where a verbose (and HIGHLY optimistic and probably unrealistic)

Re: [Vo]:Brief Technical Description uploaded

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Is the black hose the steam output?  There sure is a lot of dark stain > on the floor. So, obviously they had disconnected the steam condenser for some time. The stain is probably the steam literally taking off part of the hose and depositi

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Personally, I'd be ecstatic if we had verified independent replication > by the end of 2011. I think Andrea Rossi has made it clear that there will be no replication. He says he wants to sell product. T

[Vo]:My inquiry to Society for Classical Physics Yahoo group rejected

2011-01-17 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Late in December of last year I sent an inquiry to the officially recognized Society for Classical Physics Yahoo group. I asked Dr. Mills if BLP was planning on assembling kind of a demonstration since certain news feeds I'd received earlier in the month seemed to imply that something would be demo

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jeff Driscoll
As was mentioned by others, they should Insulate the black hose and drop it into 30 gallons of room temperature water and measure the temperature rise of the water. How can you use an indoor air quality meter (listed in Jed's email) to measure the dryness of the steam? (you can't) How was the dr

Re: [Vo]:Rossi reactor

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Taylor J. Smith's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:13:17 +: Hi, [snip] >During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did >not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen >was consumed. [snip] This makes the assumption that there was no Hydrogen in the Ni before the ru

Re: [Vo]:Rossi reactor

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > >During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did > >not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen > >was consumed. > [snip] > This makes the assumption that there was no Hydrogen in the Ni before the > run > began. > That was not an attempt to draw conclusions about

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll wrote: > > How can you use an indoor air quality meter (listed in Jed's email) to > measure the dryness of the steam? (you can't) > Apparently you can. The person who did this is reportedly an expert in steam. I gather this meter measures RH in steam as well as air. > Can it be

Re: [Vo]:Brief Technical Description uploaded

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > Pity there's no image of the condenser. > I am trying to get more photos. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > I think Andrea Rossi has made it clear that there will be no > replication. He says he wants to sell product. > Maybe we will. People he trusts are asking him to adjust his business plans. There may not be a totally independent replication but people may be licensed to a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi reactor

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:31:51 -0500: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > > >> > >>During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did >> >not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen >> >was consumed. >> [snip] >> This makes the assumption that there was no Hydr

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Another possibility, which we discussed earlier, is that the NRC or some > other regulatory agency will wake up and demand that Rossi stop selling > unlicensed nuclear reactors in the U.S. I am serious when I say that would > open the floodga

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:17:24 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Well, one proposal which seems to stand up is that the water didn't turn >into steam, at all. Unless the steam was recondensed and the resulting >water weighed, that can't be ruled out. Unless someone besid

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, wrote: > Did the profs witness > the actual setup of the equipment? The story is that the profs set up and ran the entire demonstration. T

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > I do not think there are any examples in the history of 20th or 21st > > century experimental science in which a con-man was able to fool > > experimentalists. > > Uri Geller, 1975, SRI. > Ah. I wasn't aware of that one. I gather that was something like a study of

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jeff Driscoll
That meter that was listed can measure Relative Humidity but it can not measure the quality of the steam. As you know, relative humidity just means how saturated the air is for for the given temperature - it says absolutely nothing about the quality (dryness or "wetness") of the steam. The qualit

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > Did the profs witness > > the actual setup of the equipment? > > The story is that the profs set up and ran the entire demonstration. > That's what they told me. Celani said: "All the measurements were made, INDEPENDENTLY, from a Researcher (and Technicians) of Bologna Uni

Re: [Vo]:Dawn of a new era: NOT SO FAST

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:52:35 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Essentially this "Italian Job" would be "too little, too late" >comparatively, if Rossi had not tried to make it "appear to be a public >event". In the end, however, it is almost as secretive as what BLP has >already

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:15:51 -0500: Hi, [snip] >5. The test should be repeated at least three times, with each >conducted for a continuous period of sufficient duration to strongly >exclude the possibility of the measured exit energy being from chemicals >sto

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: Jed, in your report you quote: > > "30 second period" (see #2). > > Was that the duration of the test?? > > (I had (perhaps mistakenly) gained the impression that it ran for at least > an > hour). > That's confusing, isn't it? The Jan. 14 test was about an hour. Not sure how long it took

Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?

2011-01-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/17/2011 09:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence mailto:sa...@pobox.com>> wrote: > > > > I do not think there are any examples in the history of 20th or 21st > > century experimental science in which a con-man was able to fool > > experimentalists. > > Uri Gelle

Re: [Vo]:PesWiki's report on Focardi and Rossi

2011-01-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Steven V Johnson wrote: > In addition to Jed's recent, and highly appreciated, report on the > "Energy Catalyzer), I noticed that one of my latest Google news feeds > keyed to "Blacklight Power" directed me to the pesn.com "Pure Energy > Systems" (PesWiki) web site where a verbose (and HIGH

[Vo]:12 kW cold fusion reactor demonstrated; ramping up to take your order!

2011-01-17 Thread Harry Veeder
A link from LENR-CANR.org Harry http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/ 12 kW cold fusion reactor demonstrated; ramping up to take your order! By rubycarat 2011 is off to a great start. This past weekend, a cold fusion reactor was demonstrated in Italy by scientists Sergio Focardi and Andrea Ros

Re: [Vo]:Nagel: Check List for LENR Validation Experiments

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, Just re peristaltic pumps- I have worked with them in the lab from the 70 years of the last century and Nature uses then for a very long time, including in our digestive systems. Peter On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > wrote: > > Jed, in your report you quote: >>

Re: [Vo]:Brief Technical Description uploaded

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Gluck
Bravissimo, dear Jed! I have announced it in my blog/ Peter On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > >> Pity there's no image of the condenser. >> > > I am trying to get more photos. > > - Jed > >