Hello,
What I don`t understand is that with this system producing 15 kW of power
the temperature in the room isn`t higher then 23 degrees Celcius. This
amount of power corresponds to a group of 150 people or an intense
perpendicular solar flux through a large window of 15 m2. It seems that
ev
This heat was removed by condensing the steam- by the cooling water.
Peter the Older
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:45 PM, P.J van Noorden wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What I don`t understand is that with this system producing 15 kW of power
> the temperature in the room isn`t higher then 23 degrees Celcius.
Hello Peter,
On the photo
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/bolognia-14111-cronaca-test-fusione_14.html
I see a black flexible pipe, which must be the cold water input.
The other transparent pipe is
Very probably..I cannot find other explanation, your observation re heat in
the room was very wise.
It seem we will receive the quantitative data only toward the end of the
week- I think 1/2 hour would be sufficient for a thermotechnician- vederemo!
(Let's see.
I have just published my thoughts & f
Is this a misdirection or could the drive also be needed to prevent the sort of
runaway we saw in Rayney nickel? First the drive aids in causing the effect -
perhaps triggering an avalanche and then slaves the energy release to a certain
duty factor?
Fran
Daniel G. Zavela
January 15th, 2011 a
FWIW. I found this at:
http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1951&page=7
I asked a contact from Italy check the videos and documentation
last night (the contact knows the Bologna university very well).
Summary: Rossi just has a black box where the university
scientists are n
Ok, if the black box will be openedm what can we see except some black or
not- powder? Can we expect that Rossi gives detailed description, recipe,
protocol. a 101NiH course and a long FAQ so that anybody skilled enough (a
pervese formulation BTW!) can reproduce his gizmo and use it to generate
ene
Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the Rossi Experiment at U.
Bologna, January 14, 2011
by Jed Rothwell
The experiment has been underway at U. Bologna since mid-December 2010.
It has been done several times. Several professors with expertise in
related subjects such as calorimetry are in
I uploaded that to the News section. I was tempted to add: "Hey, Richard
Garwin: here's your cuppa tea, big guy!"
I will soon upload a more detailed description by Mike Melich, and I
hope I can add Prof. Levi's report.
I think it is all but certain these results are real. They cannot be a
mi
Here is the website of the company founded by Andrea Rossi and others a few
years ago. This company funded and owns the technology in question.
http://www.lti-global.com/index.php
However, apparently there has been some kind of falling-out with Rossi, and
as you can see there is no mention
Jed,
Nice job! My only question regards the Alternating-current heater used to bring
the Rossi device up the working temperature. Do they specify if this is just
out of the wall AC or a more elaborate HV duty factor sort of arrangement?
Regards
Fran
Brief Description of the Calorimetry in the
This is a quote from peatbog, who is not here. I would answer his
"skeptical" assertions as follows. You can see why I wrote my short
description the way I did:
The university scientists are 'used' by Rossi to provide
acceptance for his in invention. Maybe one scientist is involved
in the scam
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> This is a quote from peatbog, who is not here.
Peatbog has crossposted from a forum that is a spinoff of the Steorn
forum. The actual author is
ping1...@gmail.com
if you wish to address him directly.
Terry
What about China, India, Japan and Russia - for the first stage?
Peter
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Here is the website of the company founded by Andrea Rossi and others a
> few years ago. This company funded and owns the technology in question.
>
>
>
> http://www.lti-
Jones Beene wrote:
However, apparently there has been some kind of falling-out with
Rossi, and as you can see there is no mention of any of this on the
website. It seems he is being marginalized.
I just hope that someone else in the world knows how to make the
material, in case something
Roarty, Francis X wrote:
Nice job! My only question regards the Alternating-current heater used
to bring the Rossi device up the working temperature. Do they specify
if this is just out of the wall AC or a more elaborate HV duty factor
sort of arrangement?
I asked that but I have not got a
> This is a quote from peatbog, who is not here.
Huh? I'm right here!
> I would answer
> his "skeptical" assertions as follows.
I was quoting someone who was quoting someone who is familiar with
the workings of the University of Bologna.
> So why don't you
> give us a thumbnail description of
Hello Jed,
How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? Was the Rossi device
weighted before and after the test? The diameter of the device is about 10
cm, so there could still be a few liters inside after the experiment. An
easy way to measure the heat of this system more accuratel
I revised the H2 flow measurement part already.
The first report I will upload today is by Melich. This week or next we
should have one by Prof. Levi.
These people are busy, which is why it took so long for them to give my
report the once-over, and even they overlooked the part about weighing
From: Jed Rothwell
>> JB: First off, he will sell not a single unit in the USA without an NRC
license, which is complicated, costly and takes years.
> JR: This will not be a problem at first, because of an odd situation. When
Melvin Miles was conducting cold fusion experiments in the early 19
Jones, I often disagree with you, but this time I have to say your
suspicions ring a chord. Something doesn't smell right here.
Please check me on this, because I'm not sure I've got it right. And
feel free to yell at me; I realize I'm going kind of far on not much
evidence.
* The basic wor
Salut, Jed. I'm not Peatbog but this whole thing really bothers me, and
I'd love to be convinced that it's real.
On 01/17/2011 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> So, you think it is a scam? All hypothesis -- including yours -- must
> be held to the same standard of rigor. So why don't you give us
Not sure if the following tidbit has already been posted here or not,
but it seemed relevant considering some of the controversy surrounding
Rossi.
See:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/15/rossi-discovery-what-to-say/#comment-67
*
On 01/17/2011 10:05 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> The box is connected to an ordinary wall socket, which cannot possibly
> provide 12 kW
European outlets typically carry 220 volts.
12 kw / 220 volts = 54 amps.
It's not impossible to draw that from a simple wall plug, but it takes
some preparatio
This email questions whether or not the sensor described in Rossi's setup
can measure the dryness of the steam and whether or not there was a double
check on the "steam" calorimetry by using the amount of cooling water along
with the change in temperature of the cooling water to calculate energy.
Stephen - There are a few other details in the "big picture" that are not
common knowledge, but should be mentioned. This is not really a breakthrough
in one sense, but that all depends on how "public" you think the demo
is/was. After all, it did show up on the internet. Does that make you
believe
On 01/17/2011 12:52 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Stephen - There are a few other details in the "big picture" that are
> not common knowledge, but should be mentioned. This is not really a
> breakthrough in one sense, but that all depends on how "public" you
> think the demo is/was. After all, it d
I was going to mention this before I saw Peter's message, but he beat me
to it.
On 01/17/2011 11:14 AM, P.J van Noorden wrote:
> Hello Jed,
>
> How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated? Was the Rossi
> device weighted before and after the test? The diameter of the device
> is about 1
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
It's not impossible to draw that from a simple wall plug, but it takes
some preparation. While I doubt that's how it was done, unless
someone inspected the plug and the cord, it can't be ruled out as
being "impossible", particularly if the 12 kW can be shaded a bit.
Remain detached.
I'm not convinced either way.
harry
>
>From: Stephen A. Lawrence
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:18:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?
>
>Salut, Jed. I'm not Peatbog but this whole thing really bothers me, and I'd
>love to be convinced t
Check List for LENR Validation Experiments
David J. Nagel
The George Washington University
17 January 2011
Focardi and Rossi demonstrated a boiler device on 14 January 2011, which
converted water at about 13 C to steam at 101 C. It was said to involve
nuclear reactions between nickel built in
On 01/17/2011 01:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>> It's not impossible to draw that from a simple wall plug, but it
>> takes some preparation. While I doubt that's how it was done, unless
>> someone inspected the plug and the cord, it can't be ruled out as
>> being "im
On 01/17/2011 02:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
> Remain detached.
> I'm not convinced either way.
Neither am I, Harry.
I'm obviously leaning /against/ at this point but I know perfectly well
I'm no expert.
I'm still reading the discussion with deep interest. I've slung some
mud, it's true, bu
On your following list, it appears that item #3 may not have been satisfied.
Unless the steam was collected, condensed, and weighed, one significant
"matter stream" was not properly accounted for.
The device itself should also be weighed, before and after, in order to
further assure that all stre
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated?
That's what the RH meter is for. (May have answered already.)
This is another example of the disastrous consequences of depending on
a "black box" test. The stuff coming out could have been dry steam,
or it
>From Sterling Allan's site:
http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/
excerpt:
"Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe.
Mass production should escalate in 2-3 years. Presently Rossi says
they are manufacturing a 1 megawatt
On 01/17/2011 02:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>>> How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated?
>
> That's what the RH meter is for. (May have answered already.)
Mmmm? I didn't see that mentioned, and I didn't realize that's what it
was doing. In fact I t
On 01/17/2011 02:42 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> >From Sterling Allan's site:
>
> http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/
>
> excerpt:
>
> "Licensees are mentioned, with contracts in the USA and in Europe.
> Mass production should escalate in 2-3 year
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
> How do we know that all the water ( 8.8 l) evaporated?
>
> That's what the RH meter is for. (May have answered already.)
>
> This is another example of the disastrous consequences of depending on a
> "black b
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I'm still reading the discussion with deep interest. I've slung some
mud, it's true, but largely in the hope that my points would be answered.
(The unfortunate thing is, if this is not on the up-and-up, then it's
in the world of con games, and nobody on this list
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> "Licensees" and "Inquiries about purchasing" mean money's involved, and
> probably changing hands right now, today, well in advance of the expected
> ship date for products.
Well, further down in the article, Rossi apparently claims
I wrote:
> I think you should propose a method by which a con game would be physically
> possible without the cooperation of the people who designed the calorimetry,
> brought the instruments, and operated them.
As a practical matter, you cannot do that until you have had time to study
the tech
OK, Jed, you've made a lot of good points. I will admit that you've
made a very good case, and shut up about this.
With ... er ... just one or two last comments:
On 01/17/2011 04:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>> I'm still reading the discussion with deep interest. I'
On 01/17/2011 04:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I do not think there are any examples in the history of 20th or 21st
> century experimental science in which a con-man was able to fool
> experimentalists.
Uri Geller, 1975, SRI.
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:02:40 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Andrea Rossi
>January 15th, 2011 at 5:05 AM
>Dear Mr Daniel Zavela:
>Watts in: 400 wh/h
>Watts out: 15,000 wh/h
[snip]
Watts of heat are not expressed in "wh/h" (where presumably the second h stands
for hour),
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 06:55:36 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>First off, he will sell not a single unit in the USA without an NRC license,
>which is complicated, costly and takes years.
[snip]
BTW note that were it not for the Cu then the whole shebang would be quite
consisten
[The Rossi reactor]
Bologna, January 14, 2011
by Jed Rothwell
The experiment has been underway at U. Bologna since
mid-December 2010. It has been done several times. Several
professors with expertise in related subjects such as
calorimetry are involved.
LIST OF MAIN EQUIPMENT IN EXPERIMENT
A
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
Nagel: "Given the input water flow of about 150 grams each half minute ..."
OK, here is one more suspicious detail to check on, for anyone inclined -
the flow rate. This assumption of 300g/min above could be way off.
According to an excellent experi
Jones Beene wrote:
Nagel:"Given the input water flow of about 150 grams each half minute..."
OK,here is one moresuspiciousdetail to check on, for anyone inclined-
the flow rate.This assumptionof 300g/minabove could beway off.
Nope. As you will see in the photos, if I can manage to untangle
Okay! Finally. See:
Rothwell, J., ed./Brief Technical Description of the Leonardo
Corporation, University of Bologna, and INFN Scientific Demonstration of
the Andrea Rossi ECat (Energy Catalyzer) Boiler/. 2011, LENR-CANR.org.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJbrieftechn.pdf
As you see, I
Is the black hose the steam output? There sure is a lot of dark stain
on the floor.
T
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Okay! Finally. See:
>
> Rothwell, J., ed. Brief Technical Description of the Leonardo Corporation,
> University of Bologna, and INFN Scientific Demonstrat
I wrote:
> Nope. As you will see in the photos, if I can manage to untangle them and
> upload them, the reservoir is sitting on a weight scale. (It wasn't the H2
> bottle, it was the water reservoir.) You can monitor the decrease in water.
>
Okay. I finally managed to upload the document. I refe
I would like to add another comment about what Jones Beene wrote:
OK,here is one moresuspiciousdetail to check on, for anyone inclined-
the flow rate.This assumptionof 300g/minabove could beway off.
Beware of jumping to conclusions. Raising questions and wondering is
essential, but do not a
In addition to Jed's recent, and highly appreciated, report on the
"Energy Catalyzer), I noticed that one of my latest Google news feeds
keyed to "Blacklight Power" directed me to the pesn.com "Pure Energy
Systems" (PesWiki) web site where a verbose (and HIGHLY optimistic and
probably unrealistic)
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> Is the black hose the steam output? There sure is a lot of dark stain
> on the floor.
So, obviously they had disconnected the steam condenser for some time.
The stain is probably the steam literally taking off part of the hose
and depositi
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
wrote:
> Personally, I'd be ecstatic if we had verified independent replication
> by the end of 2011.
I think Andrea Rossi has made it clear that there will be no
replication. He says he wants to sell product.
T
Late in December of last year I sent an inquiry to the officially
recognized Society for Classical Physics Yahoo group. I asked Dr.
Mills if BLP was planning on assembling kind of a demonstration since
certain news feeds I'd received earlier in the month seemed to imply
that something would be demo
As was mentioned by others, they should Insulate the black hose and drop it
into 30 gallons of room temperature water and measure the temperature rise
of the water.
How can you use an indoor air quality meter (listed in Jed's email) to
measure the dryness of the steam? (you can't)
How was the dr
In reply to Taylor J. Smith's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:13:17 +:
Hi,
[snip]
>During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did
>not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen
>was consumed.
[snip]
This makes the assumption that there was no Hydrogen in the Ni before the ru
wrote:
>
>During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did
> >not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen
> >was consumed.
> [snip]
> This makes the assumption that there was no Hydrogen in the Ni before the
> run
> began.
>
That was not an attempt to draw conclusions about
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
>
> How can you use an indoor air quality meter (listed in Jed's email) to
> measure the dryness of the steam? (you can't)
>
Apparently you can. The person who did this is reportedly an expert in
steam. I gather this meter measures RH in steam as well as air.
> Can it be
Terry Blanton wrote:
> Pity there's no image of the condenser.
>
I am trying to get more photos.
- Jed
Terry Blanton wrote:
> I think Andrea Rossi has made it clear that there will be no
> replication. He says he wants to sell product.
>
Maybe we will. People he trusts are asking him to adjust his business plans.
There may not be a totally independent replication but people may be
licensed to a
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:31:51 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>
>>During the test runs the weight of the hydrogen tank did
>> >not measurably decrease, so less than 0.1 g of hydrogen
>> >was consumed.
>> [snip]
>> This makes the assumption that there was no Hydr
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Another possibility, which we discussed earlier, is that the NRC or some
> other regulatory agency will wake up and demand that Rossi stop selling
> unlicensed nuclear reactors in the U.S. I am serious when I say that would
> open the floodga
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:17:24 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Well, one proposal which seems to stand up is that the water didn't turn
>into steam, at all. Unless the steam was recondensed and the resulting
>water weighed, that can't be ruled out. Unless someone besid
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, wrote:
> Did the profs witness
> the actual setup of the equipment?
The story is that the profs set up and ran the entire demonstration.
T
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> > I do not think there are any examples in the history of 20th or 21st
> > century experimental science in which a con-man was able to fool
> > experimentalists.
>
> Uri Geller, 1975, SRI.
>
Ah. I wasn't aware of that one. I gather that was something like a study of
That meter that was listed can measure Relative Humidity but it can not
measure the quality of the steam. As you know, relative humidity just
means how saturated the air is for for the given temperature - it says
absolutely nothing about the quality (dryness or "wetness") of the steam.
The qualit
Terry Blanton wrote:
> Did the profs witness
> > the actual setup of the equipment?
>
> The story is that the profs set up and ran the entire demonstration.
>
That's what they told me. Celani said: "All the measurements were
made, INDEPENDENTLY, from a Researcher (and Technicians) of Bologna
Uni
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:52:35 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Essentially this "Italian Job" would be "too little, too late"
>comparatively, if Rossi had not tried to make it "appear to be a public
>event". In the end, however, it is almost as secretive as what BLP has
>already
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:15:51 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>5. The test should be repeated at least three times, with each
>conducted for a continuous period of sufficient duration to strongly
>exclude the possibility of the measured exit energy being from chemicals
>sto
wrote:
Jed, in your report you quote:
>
> "30 second period" (see #2).
>
> Was that the duration of the test??
>
> (I had (perhaps mistakenly) gained the impression that it ran for at least
> an
> hour).
>
That's confusing, isn't it? The Jan. 14 test was about an hour. Not sure how
long it took
On 01/17/2011 09:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence mailto:sa...@pobox.com>> wrote:
>
>
> > I do not think there are any examples in the history of 20th or 21st
> > century experimental science in which a con-man was able to fool
> > experimentalists.
>
> Uri Gelle
Steven V Johnson wrote:
> In addition to Jed's recent, and highly appreciated, report on the
> "Energy Catalyzer), I noticed that one of my latest Google news feeds
> keyed to "Blacklight Power" directed me to the pesn.com "Pure Energy
> Systems" (PesWiki) web site where a verbose (and HIGH
A link from LENR-CANR.org
Harry
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/
12 kW cold fusion reactor demonstrated; ramping up to take your order!
By rubycarat
2011 is off to a great start.
This past weekend, a cold fusion reactor was demonstrated in Italy by
scientists Sergio Focardi and Andrea Ros
Dear Jed,
Just re peristaltic pumps- I have worked with them in the lab from the 70
years of the last century and Nature uses then for a very long time,
including in our digestive systems.
Peter
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> wrote:
>
> Jed, in your report you quote:
>>
Bravissimo, dear Jed!
I have announced it in my blog/
Peter
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>
>> Pity there's no image of the condenser.
>>
>
> I am trying to get more photos.
>
> - Jed
>
>
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