Jones, Terry,
In regards to:
It's enough to make you believe in witch doctors!
Heh... I wuz think'in the same thing. ;-)
Just to be clear on this for the millionth time. I'm not endorsing the
WD files. The transcripts what they are, warts and all. It remains to
be seen if the information
From Angela:
no, they measured it a bit away, but still in Bologna. I you
want the precise position, I may tell you that later, I have
access to all the historic weather data. I think it is the
airport there. Meteorology was my business for a long
time. Every station transmits the local air
I was always taught that, technically speaking, steam is an
invisible gas. However, most of us quite naturally tend to only notice
the clouds of water vapor condensing out from the invisible steam as
it cools. We tend to incorrectly associate, in the visual sense, those
tiny suspended condensed
Off topic:
Steven,
I sent you an email, did you receive it?
Daniel,
If you sent it to my gmail account... no I don't have it.
If you sent it to a non-gmail address I won't get it till I get home.
I don't tend to access my personal accounts at work.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
From Josh:
I'm arguing that if dry steam were coming out of the ecat
(corresponding to 5 kW total power), that most of it would
survive to the end of the hose, because I don't think more
than a few hundred watts could be radiated by the hose.
And that what comes out of that hose is
From Josh,
For brevity sake I'm just going to focus on the following:
I don't think the quality of the video is good enough to judge that.
Fair enough.
Take a look at figure 2.2.3 on the site Iverson just linked to.
Follow the constant pressure path ABCD. It indicates clearly that at
Peter... Anyone...
It has now been six months since the January demonstration in Bologna, Italy.
Has anyone noticed if Dr. Park has chosen to say anything on the Rossi matter?
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Hi Peter.
I am subscribed to his What's New and have informed him repeatedly about
the developments. He has ignored the subject completely ad has not answered
the messsges.
Too small subject for such a great man.
Too small [a] subject... for Dr. Park? ???!!!
Surely you're joking! ;-)
IMHO,
Joshua,
You may recall, I conjectured:
... how can this newly formed H2O gas be
expected to be much above 100 C if it doesn't
have a chance to hang around long enough to
absorb additional heat energy.
...to which you replied:
How can it not?
There lies the little pickle of a situation we
Terry Sez:
Can I borrow $58M?
Well... according to my unorthodox Witch Doctor source, Rossi
Associates are still in need of a lot of cash in order to finish basic
RD. Despite certain misgivings already expressed here it seems to me
that offering up dealerships might be a reasonable/legitimate
From Terry:
The story is that they are funded by expat Greeks living in Canada to the
tune of €400M. The funds are allegedly committed but the actual status is
not public, AFAIK. They have been approached with offers of more funding;
but, they have smiled and said no thanks.
That would
In lieu of the potential disruptions to the global economy
corporations like Defkalion might eventually unleash across the
planet, I have a more personal story to tell of the economic
disruptive kind. ...Another sign-of-the-times.
A couple of weeks ago I bought an Apple i-Pad for, ahem...
FWIW,
I sometimes get the sense that Fran’s theory might come the closest to
explaining what my unorthodox source the “Witch Doctor” files would
seem to suggest might be going on with Rossi's eCats.
However, I hasten to add that this is just speculation on my part.
One thing for sure, I wish I
Vanished, forever what do you mean, Stephen?
Seems to me we simply don't have enough facts to make conclusive
judgments about the Rossi affair either way.
Skeptics will simply point to the unaccounted-for or sold factory
statement as yet another long string of convenient deflections made by
There is the following from:
http://ecatreport.com/rossi/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-12
Excerpt:
Andrea Rossi on letting some universities test the E-Cat
Rossi went to Uppsala, Sweden the 4th to 5th of July 2011 in
order to enter an agreement with Uppsala University enabling
them to do
From Harry:
From the top of the Ny Teknik feb. 23rd article: ”You just have
to embrace a new technology that might solve the energy problems
of mankind, at least until it can be rejected,” Swedish professor
Sven Kullander said in a scientific discussion on the Italian
‘energy catalyzer’.
From Harry:
I was not judging Rossi's current claims against his past misdeeds.
However, I am sorry to say this, but Rossi's current conduct is another
matter. His aggressive responses to unfavorable criticism, his growing
list of inconsistent statements and his highly dubious demonstrations
Terry sez:
Trust but verify.
The phrase, of course, has a tendency to contradict its original
intent. However, I appreciate the meaning (and spirit) in which it is
given.
The phrase was one of the few things Ronald Reagan sed while he was in
office that made any sense to me.
Humans are often
From Rich:
The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose
against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim...
Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality?
The waterloo of [Rossi's] mistaken claim? Heavens, Rich, how many
more
From Richard:
I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames
that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end
of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the
water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end
of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made
it to the
From Jed and Josh:
It is all nonsense and bullshit. The 18-hour tests with
flowing water proved that the large cell is producing
~17 kW.
If it did, then the steam should have been a few hundred
degrees C in the January test, and not 100C. But of course
it doesn't prove anything other than
Joshua,
I waited in anticipation to see if you could help explain to me the
errors I might have made in my reasoning. I was astonished to discover
that the jest of your replies struck me as being just as much of a
seat-of-the-pants explanation as you apparently accuse me of doing.
For example:
Joshua, Stephen,
I have no desire to incessantly argue my POV - till I'm blue in the
face. As I've stated many times in the past, I might be wrong.
In any case I think I now understand where our mutual misunderstanding
might lie. There appears to be a semantics problem, one that may have
Jed sez:
They told me the flow rate was continuously monitored
with a video camera. The meter keeps track of total
consumption, as I said. There was no pump; just water
pressure from the tap. That is very reliable. Water
pressure does not change measurably at 1 L/s for
20 minutes when
Is there anything against the creation of a Google Group instead?
Anyway, this is going either way to hugely affect the public reach of the
vortex-l discussion group.
Google groups are the old Usenet, right? Yahoo offers file folders,
piccys, etc.
Anyway, I created a google group too.
From Akira
...
Perhaps the best way to make sure that the 1MW plant is true
would be to measure the output energy while the input is zero.
1 MW of heat in such conditions would be quite hard to fake
(the test would have to run long enough, ie more than a few
seconds - possibly minutes -
Terry sez:
...
I'll bet 'cha there will always be an electric component to the
initiation of the reaction either way.
Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model T crank.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Jed sez:
...
Maybe Rossi has nothing to do with it, and Piantelli happened to achieve
commercial-level success now, and he would have gone public even without
Rossi.
In a pig's eye. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Terry sez:
Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times.
end excerpt
I wonder who constitutes Our?
Expanding on Terry's question:
Is there a specific link that explains these claims in more detail, or
are we going to just have to wait? All I see is advertisement. Coming
Just a brief follow-up comment.
Browsing the front page of New Energy Times:
http://newenergytimes.com/
It's odd to me that the on-going Rossi saga still does not merit a
least a brief link here. I mean, golly! Regardless of whether one
believes in Rossi's claims or not, this isn't news?
FWIW:
The article was written James M. Taylor is senior fellow for
environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of
Environment Climate News.
Here's some info on Harland's funding, as revealed by Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute
Excerpt:
From Stephen,
Please note that physics simulation packages are going to be based on
physical law, as currently understood, and the conventional EM model of
magnetism is conservative. As a result, the assumption of conservative
behavior is built into the modeling package.
Consequently, it
Terry,
Some follow-up comments.
The present belief is that the whipmag was a hoax which got
way out of hand when the vid went viral. Al removed the vid
but it got copied by others. OC has since passed away and
Al seems to regret the whole incident from what little he
will say.
From Terry:
Actually, the animation is per OC's idea which came to him in a dream.
The whipmag was a variation on the dream.
That may be so, but OC's dream variation is, IMO, categorically
different than what Alsetalokin's original configuration appears to
show. IMHO, OC dream, specifically
Michele sez:
Does anyone know where the Florida factory is located?
He would respond that he does not want anyone to know...
this man must be a secret agent, I even wonder if *he*
is real... ;-)
I don't know if Michele was being serious about the secret agent bit
or not. The little smiley
From Terrry:
The consensus at the time was it was driven with a
compressed air nozzle.
A reasonably educated guess.
Nevertheless, I'm not yet ready to throw in the towel. (Or perhaps I'm
not finished obsessing over... I mean amusing myself over the
Alsetalokin matter.) ;-)
The original
From Terry:
Well, Clanzer, and others, built exact replicas to no avail.
I would not advise you to follow suit.
I wasn't planning on it.
My initial interest was strongly biased towards speculating on whether
an asymmetry might begin to manifest in Alsetalokin's ROTOR/STATOR
configuration if
Thanks for bringing this bizarre off-the-wall article to our attention. ;-)
A few comments from the peanut gallery:
...
Now, however, his team do not have the money or
resources to examine the shape further.
Hopefully, someone with a little spare cash will come forth soon... No
venture, no
Considering Jouni's recent challenge:
...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does
not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity,
and if not I pay 40 euros for charity.
This strikes me as a civilized bet, one that could be formalized
between two reasonable individuals
From Jed:
What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated?
The data provided can be found here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Jed, I realize it is probably redundant of me to express the following
but could you point readers to the specific article(s) you believe
make your point.
It does strike me as just a tad obsessive to meticulously focus on
Rossi's Chiwawa and Shetland Pony demonstrations, which were nothing
more than trade shows - and then treat them as if they were valid
scientific experiments. No wonder skeptics have found fault with them.
Certainly, we would all
From Rich,
-- being sincerely wrong is a really profound learning process.
Indeed it is. I don't know if Rossi is sincerely wrong about his eCats
or not. I don't know if believers of Rossi's claims are also
sincerely wrong about their assessments of the claims either. But the
same thing can be
From Terry:
I came to a conclusion of fraud, defined as wilful
deception, after seeing a lot of evidence for it, which I was always
explaining away, as did others.
If I thought there could be the slightest possibility that Rossi and
Defkalion were not committing fraud, I think I'd keep my
Do you think the eCat is real of fake.
IMO, it's probably for real. (Depends on which demo. ;-) )
The eCat probably exhibits heat, sufficient quantities of heat to
warrant commercialization. However the underlying theoretical process
that generates the excess heat is obviously not well
Well, Jed, maybe you're right at the cusp of a complete
switch of your gestalt of understandings re the Rossi
phenomenon -- a little more likely when waking up in the
morning, you notice your entire system of interpretations
has irrevocably reversed, like a 3D shift in the way a
wire cube
Just to clarify:
I said:
...If Mr. Murray's propensity to exploit pop psychology persists
I think it may warrant a temporary time out from the Vort sand box.
What I meant to say is that if Mr. Murray's propensity to exploit pop
psychology IN ATTEMPTS TO DESCRIBE PERSONALLY PERCEIVED FAULTS IN
From Rich:
The following is obviously abbreviated and probably taken out of context:
...rather than continue to blather forever about claims that go back 22 years,
Ah, I see the blather word is now being used to explain CF claims
for the past 22 years.
Look, Rich, expressing your skepticism
Rich,
I see Mr. Rothwell has found his own unique way of assessing your
assessments of his alleged faults.
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch
...the Yiddish term mensch means a person of integrity and honor.
Actually, your response is somewhat cryptic and open to
The MRO images are breathtaking. The satellite is powerful enough to
photograph the tracks left by the Spirit and Opportunity rovers.
Say what one will about NASA's faults, but when they hit a bull's eye
the results can be spectacular. With funding on the construction of
the IST winding down it
Too many alpha males trying to run the same pack.
Adjustments are inevitable.
Perhaps too many alpha females too. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Wait a minute! I thought Defkalion and Rossi were supposed to be in
cahoots with each other.
Well, shoot! Who's minding the conspiracy now!
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
...and another thing!
On a more serious note...
The split suggest to me that Defkalion's management may have finally
had enuf of Rossi's continued tinkering of his eCat design. When it
comes to meeting deadlines pertaining to the rollout of a brand new
product there comes a point when management
From Daniele Passerini's blog: (google translated)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ittl=enu=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F08%2Fstremmenos-sulla-rottura-tra-rossi-e.html
Can someone translate the contents and post it out here. The site is
blocked at some business
Daniel sez:
Looks like the Witch Doctor was right at least about a few things, like
Rossi still looking for support.
Thanks for the Stremmenos translation, Daniel.
In regards to the Witch Doctor possibly being right about a few
things, I remember a quote I got from them way back in the
Recent comments from Rossi.
From:
http://pesn.com/2011/08/08/9501889_Defkalion_Responds_Ignores_Rossis_Accusation/
Excerpts:
Aug 7:
...But the tech must go on, we signed a tremendous contract
in the USA. The Customer has already made plans for 1,000
plants in the USA, and has the financial
From Daniel:
So, at the very least, Rossi erred by omission, a very bad one, by not
dismissing Defkalion's claims of massively testing e-cats. So, he blatantly
associated with liars and cheaters.
It's just business.
Nothing personal. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
From Daniel:
I am not talking about something personal. Just that there was at the very
least a scam from Defkalion.
Again, it's just business!
Perhaps the following links will shed light on the nothing personal
phrase. ;-)
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/29227
Thanks Andrea,
It would appear that Mr. Iverson's assessment may have been pretty accurate.
Put out [the money] or it's the hi-way.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Terry sez:
Don't forget that Motorola was going to invest in the Patterson Cold Fusion
power cell. Now, who was recently in the news about having more money than
the United States? Apple!
What better investor in the iCat than Apple.
Did I say iCat?
Yes you did!
Why is my iPad heating
From Terry:
...
I don't know if you saw it; but, Spaandonk mentioned Ford Motor Company.
Consider this, the mean power comsumption of an automobile traveling at 60
mph is on the order of 16 kW. The peak power consumption of the average
home is on the order of 10 kW. The mean power
From Bridges:
Hmm, what about this one: Mountain View, Ca (Google HQ) ?
That is interesting speculation. I had wondered about Google as well.
They DO have a lot of power hungry servers that need lots of constant
care and feeding. I suspect Google has lots of cash on hand as well -
probably a
Andrea and Jed sez:
Mark, I think he should have started his marketing campaign in a country
with no internet connections.
Yes!
North Korea could really use the energy.
Guess they could go out and sell a couple of missals to al qaeda.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
From Axil:
A clue, Rossi says that if he told us in which city the 1 MW reactor
demo is to be held in, we would immediately know what company
his American partner is. Company towns like that are very rare
anymore with most manufacturing going overseas. The company
must be big, American, long
From Jouni,
My guess will be Nasa and 1MW Demonstration will be held in
Kennedy Space Center, Florida. Great symbol that Rossi looks
with his technology forward beyond this planet, and ignores any
immediate commercial plans as mere chattering.
It is not that far-fetched of a possibility...
From Daniel
I think with so much money invested and nothing delivered,
no independent tests whatsoever, it is hard to think this
is not a scam.
I disagree. There is also some disagreement on the aspect of how one
determines an independent test. BLP would say yes independent
tests have been
From Daniel
Do you really think the scarcity of experimental results
justifies the investment of 60mil$? It is easier to think
that they just bribed a few other researchers just to fake
results. This amount of money is enough to come with a
proff of concept for any form of fusion, even
Terry sez:
Can it hover?
Well... no, but it can disappear!
Excerpts:
Update 12:29pET- DARPA says it could not regain contact with HTV2 but
the hypersonic wedge can terminate its flight autonomously.
Update 11:23aET – DARPA has lost contact with the HTV2
Some would like to characterize Krivit as a snake.
Rossi, particularly.
In my view Krivit is simply a cynic.
Being a cynic is neither good or bad. It's what one does with one's
innate sense of cynicism that determines whether honoring such a
perception of their surroundings serves them (and
Terry sez:
The truly progressive cynic eventually forms a crusty chrysalis
from which eventually emerges a jaded dung beetle.
IMHO, a truly progressive cynic has a sense of humor. Some cynics make
marvelous comedians.
About a year ago I recall Mr. Krivit demanding that Mr. Rothwell
publicly
I sed:
I perceive Mr. Krivit as working very hard at the task of being the
best investigative journalist that he can be. I think he may still
achieve that goal.
I just realized that the way I stated the above could imply that I
don't perceive Mr. Krivit as possessing very good journalistic
Some personal speculations of my own:
FWIW, the one little itch that I can't ignore is why does DGT continue
to behave in what strikes me as being distinctly conciliatory in their
characterization of Rossi's recent actions. DGT claims they have
developed more control and a greater safety margin
Terry sez:
The positron, being antimatter repels the electron gravitationally and at
the same time attracts it electrostatically, so that there is a perfect
balance!
Hmmm, what are the odds of that?
Following up:
Also, considering the fact that electrostatic forces are probably a on
an
Jed sez:
I know little about cosmology, but is it not the case that:
If dark matter exists the universe is more likely to end in a cosmic crunch,
relatively soon.
If it does not exist the universe will end with heat death much farther into
the future.
Just curious about this . . .
Indeed, this is fertile ground for speculative fiction, especially
science fiction. One author I particularly admire, an author who has
thought a great deal about the ramifications Daniel and Jed point out,
particularly how it might play out on the level of human hive
consciousness, is Joe
From Jed:
Scroll down article for interesting YouTube video.
See:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/01/retailrobots/
Jed, I just finished reading Martin Ford's The Lights in the Tunnel,
the book you brought to the Vort's attention not long ago.
http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/
Inquiring minds want to know... What does Defkalilon's have on hand?
Do they possess the equivalent of Rossi's eCat technology in-house, or
not. Speculation runs rampant. It's only fitting that I proceed with
some finely tuned oration of my own. Without further adieu:
I'm willing to speculate
David sez:
Hi
On this page various UFO detectors can be bought? How do they work? What
mesurable disturbances are UFOs causing?
http://www.imagesco.com/ufo/ufo-detectors.html#ufo-02
David
I would recommend purchasing the second article in the list, the one
with the cool looking spiral
From Michele:
From JONP.
Andrea Rossi
September 13th, 2011 at 6:19 AM
Dear Malcom Lear:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Malcolm Lear
September 13th, 2011 at 5:48 AM
Hi Andrea,
Could you tell us if independent testing of the 1Mw plant is already
in progress.
Ciao
Malcolm
Does anyone know
From Daniel,
Well, given that this is an offtopic subject, when will be you next session
with Witch Doctor? Can we suggest questions for you?
One can always suggest questions, to paraphrase an answer made
famous in the film Ice Station Zebra. ;-) . Depending on the
circumstances I may consider
Mr. Catania,
What I found interesting about latest reply was the fact that you did
nothing more than restate your previous comment, basically that the
effects of thermal inertia in the recorded measurements have not been
accounted for. Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original
comment by
Hello again, Mr. Catania,
I realize I'm just as guilty of using this term as you, but IMO the
continued use of the phrase, thermal inertia to explain the
interesting thermal temperature changes tends to confuse the issue
more than it helps. Technically speaking, what's happening here has
little
From Catania:
For once? I only been saying that one thing- many times. But you'd better
understand that from first principles not from a typo.
From: Jed Rothwell
Okay, that's probably a typo, as shown in the video. For once
Catania is correct. The temperature did not drop suddenly and
then
From Horace
I wrote: I would not be surprised that most people here, including Jed,
feel there are various points which justify skepticism. The problem seems
to be agreeing on which ones and what a proper course would be. Not that I
expect anyone would take any action based on comments from
Nice to see you back in the sand box, Jones. I wuz beginning to get
concerned that you may have been abducted by aliens... perhaps for
consultation purposes concerning your legal expertise on human
affairs. Rumor has it that the Pleiadians and Zeta Reticulians are
sparing over the possession
Terry sez:
I agree with you and Horace. If it can explode, it will explode, and
at the worst possible moment (Murphy's law and first corollary).
It's quite odd to notice that on the skeptical side of the fence the
subject of CF continues to be perceived as a bogus completely
unproven source
From Jed-Storms;
Jed, just so you are clear in your understanding, the response
by the DOE has NO relationship to what the person who wrote the
reply letter believes. He wrote the OFFICIAL policy of the organization.
The official policy determines how the organization will respond to
Horace,
Needless to say... call your doctor or optometrist right away.
Could be a number of serious issues. Migraine, retinal detachment, mini-stroke.
Don't wait.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From Mark:
If this whole thing is a scam, AND the below info is true, then this just
doesn't make sense...
Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold Fusion E-Cat Launch - Only several days
ago, Andrea Rossi stated on his blog that he had big financial problems. Now
he has revealed that these
More info:
Heading: Rossi's Home Sacrificed for Cold Fusion E-Cat Launch
http://pesn.com/2011/09/21/9501918_Rossis_Home_Sacrificed_For_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat_Launch/
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From Stephen,
This is a nice story of a dedicated inventor making large sacrifices in the
zealous pursuit of his vision, but is there really any reason to believe it?
Rossi has not exactly been a pinnacle of truth in the past.
Absent more information I'd tend to lump it in with the tale of
From Peter:
There is no specific point. Anything that is reported about Rossi and his
e-cat is absurd and nobody is able to know what is true and what not.
Rossi is mercurial.
It's not always wise to shoot the messenger.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Jed sez:
Here is an interesting treatise on being wrong:
http://www.amazon.com/Being-Wrong-Adventures-Margin-Error/dp/0061176044
It seems to be human nature to want to be right about what it is that
we chose to pontificate on. Unfortunately, arriving at certain
opinions seems to be one of
Jouni sez:
This article references Martin Ford's Lights in the Tunnel which was
discussed here.
I have not yet read the article, but one short comment about the topic.
That robots are stealing our jobs is not an issue, because we can tax
robots and give money to the poor as a basic income.
Terry sez:
Keshe is quite, er, eclectic!
http://keshefoundation.com/home.html
http://www.keshefoundation.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2t=229
I'd also add: A lot of talk. A lot of dreaming.
But where's the beef?
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Rizzi sez:
...
I think that the end of the hoax is approaching.
I doubt we are witnessing a hoax, though it's possible I am in error.
Another thought came to mind in regards to the megawatt reactor
design: Why for their first generation of products are they building
a 1 MW module? Many have
Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a snake is not
doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly
raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in
the midst of trying to convince others as to the accuracy of his
controversial scientific
From Peter:
...
There seems to (hostile) competition between Piantelli
group and Rossi. Krivit in his website gives the
impression to be independent, but his sponsor is
unknown and he seems to prefer the piantelli group
over others.
You seem to be speculating, and therefore insinuating
From ecat builder:
There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation
E-Cats have ever or will ever explode.
The concerns I've seen raised do not necessarily have anything to do
with Rossi's reactor cores - whether they work or don't, or are likely
to explode. The concerns I've seen raised
From Peter Heckert S. V. Johnson
When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET
organization his sponser(s), at least during the
time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently-
minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt Krivit's
sponsorship [I meant sponser(s)] would have changed
Rich sez:
snafu -- from WWII, Situation normal -- all *ucked up
I should say something snarky like Thank you so much for expressing
your opinion, Mr. Murray. but the truth of the matter is that I have
endeavored to express my own opinions as well. Therefore I should let
live.
And of course, my
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