So, if I understand you correctly, patent protection doesn't work. So why
do we bother with an expensive patent office and all those millions
(billions?) of patents?
BTW, Defkalion scheduled the announcement for Wednesday.
2011/11/28 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
So, if I understand you correctly, patent protection doesn't work. So why
do we bother with an expensive patent office and all those millions
(billions?) of patents?
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit provides details of deal Celani offered Rossi and
Rossi's rejection of it
So, if I understand you correctly, patent protection doesn't work. So why do
we bother with an expensive
experience of small companies owning patents, or small inventors owning
patents,
is that big corps usually find a way to get around, especially when
collaborating with the inventor before.
(It is why the inventor of smartcard get out of France, feeling abused by
his big partner)
I'm sure that
Patents in themselves give the inventor no real commercial protection
unless they have the funds and time to defend it in court. Investors
like to see patents, so maybe they do have a use.
AG
On 11/29/2011 3:46 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
experience of small companies owning patents, or
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Patents in themselves give the inventor no real commercial protection
unless they have the funds and time to defend it in court. Investors like
to see patents, so maybe they do have a use.
Rossi could patent the
And how do you know that is the case? I would suggest he has. Even
better to do it as a provisional. Rossi then gets another 12 months to
keep it secret yet establishes a worldwide priority date.
AG
On 11/29/2011 9:51 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
And how do you know that is the case? I would suggest he has. Even better
to do it as a provisional. Rossi then gets another 12 months to keep it
secret yet establishes a worldwide priority date.
How do I know
Provisionals do not have high visibility. I know. I use them.
On 11/29/2011 10:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
And how do you know that is the case? I would suggest he has. Even
From Jed:
What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test?
The advantage would be that people would believe him. If he did not want
to be believed, why has he gone through all the demonstrations he has
done
thus far with invited guests including press and scientists?
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
expressing alarm when folks see this misdirection and reasonably interpret it
as evidence of a scam. They should admit that fraud is a rational conclusion.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 13:05, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
expressing alarm when folks see this misdirection and reasonably interpret
it as evidence of a scam.
Misdirection is routinely practiced by most businesses. IBM was
Ok, replace evidence with reasonable indication, but I believe the original
point remains.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 16:16, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote:
That's fine, but then Rossi and his believers need to quit complaining or
expressing alarm when folks see this misdirection and reasonably interpret
it as evidence of a
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Interestingly, Steorn's investors have never made a public statement or
taken the company or its officers to court and they are most certainly and
obviously a scam.
Getting back to my definition, do you have any evidence for that, where
evidence is
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
IBM's vaporware gambit was a scam and the DOJ took IBM to court for it
and also Kodak for similar maneuvers.
As far as I know, the DOJ lost these cases. It would be difficult to
prevent this practice. It is widespread in every industry, as are many
other
Mary, you must be real naïve about the business environment
You claim that,
Ripoffs are far from inevitable and in fact rarely happen from big
companies when dealing with established inventions and inventors. And when
it does happen, the companies often end up losing in court-- losing big.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
IBM's vaporware gambit was a scam and the DOJ took IBM to court for it
and also Kodak for similar maneuvers.
As far as I know, the DOJ lost these cases. It would be difficult to
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Interestingly, Steorn's investors have never made a public statement or
taken the company or its officers to court and they are most certainly and
obviously a scam.
Getting back
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Mary, you must be real naïve about the business environment…
** **
You claim that,
“Ripoffs are far from inevitable and in fact rarely happen from big
companies when dealing with established
Mary,
As is typical with your MO, you're shooting from the hip. You just make up
stuff so it appears you have rebutted a person's points, and in this case,
you've really f*cked up.
The part you chose to miss is that Kearns was a precedent.
You missed the whole meaning of the
by the way, we observe the situation from far away, without
good legal tools.
abour Rossi's company, Defkalion and so on, the only reasonable possibility
of scam, is that Defkalion is a fake company, partner of the scam,
the secret client(s) too...
does anybody have access to the legal registrar
Mary wrote: »Krivit provides details of the deal Rossi refused from Celani»
Like it is typical for Krivit, he did not provide any details but silly,
arrogant and misinformed pseudopsychological speculations that are stated
as facts. Krivit has already lost his scientific credibility and ability
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Assuming that's a correct quote by and from Celani, my reaction would be:
Too late, Mr. Rossi? You mean you don't have any copper E-cats lying
around Celani could test? No extra Ottoman modules?
Of course he has them. Don't be silly. He is making more
I think it is wrong to ask Rossi for a test.
If the test is successful he is the only one who wins and if it is not
successful, he is the only one who loses.
Because he will not reveal the catalyst, science has no advantage from
it. Others do credible say they have good results without catalyst
I wrote:
He has said quite clearly, time after time, that he will do not more
testing.
NO more testing. I seem to make that mistake both typing and with voice
input. Scary.
Rossi may be a master at indirection at McKubre says, but he could not make
himself clearer about this issue. McKubre,
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Kullander and Essen have said, their stipulation for a test is that they
may publish the results. If not, they will not do a test.
That's good. I am glad they said that. It means he will cancel the test,
but I agree with Heckert that a university
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 14:43 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote:
I'm sure someone will explain it and make excuses for Rossi. If it's
not a correct quote, I'd expect Celani to deny he wrote or said it and
Rossi to correct it.
What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test?
He's
Am 27.11.2011 00:35, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
If he succeeds he will give humanity a greater gift than any inventor
in history, so we will have nothing to complain about.
He will give to humanity a large fangroup and legends that will grow
over time
If he fails, he will hurt himself more than
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote:
What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test?
The advantage would be that people would believe him. If he did not want
to be believed, why has he gone through all the demonstrations he has
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 15:55 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote:
On another note: I went over to 116 S. River Rd, in Bedford,
NH,
yesterday. There is a small business park there with about 15
companies
listed, but no Leonardo Corporation is in the directory, and
What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What Rossi
is doing is what a scam artist would do.
Giovanni
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.comwrote:
What would be the
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What Rossi is
doing is what a scam artist would do
And, in your opinion, how does this scam artist profit from the alleged scam?
T
I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; )
he has tried and failed before...
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
What Mary is describing is the only
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
What Mary is describing is the only rational course of action. What
Rossi is
doing is what a scam artist would do
And, in your
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; )
he has tried and failed before...
For all you naive people out there, you don't walk away with
€2,000,000 of someone's money and remain a public entity . .
Am 27.11.2011 01:39, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi:
I didn't say he necessarily is a good scam artist... ; )
he has tried and failed before...
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Giovanni
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
The scammer
protects himself with non-disclosure agreements and with strong disclaimers
saying the work being paid for is best effort only and every investment
including this one has significant risk including losing all
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry, I'm shocked.
Yes, the f-word offends me, too. I was only trying to protect your virtue.
;-)
T
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He sells.
Mike Brady did never make a documented successful demonstration.
So, Peter, my dear yo-yo friend, can you document how many Perendev
motors that Brady actually sold?
T
Am 27.11.2011 02:15, schrieb Terry Blanton:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Peter Heckertpeter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
He sells.
Mike Brady did never make a documented successful demonstration.
So, Peter, my dear yo-yo friend, can you document how many Perendev
motors that Brady actually
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist
or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 27.11.2011 02:15, schrieb Terry Blanton:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:08
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
I am not everybodys dear friend.
Well, consider me a dear friend unless something changes.
Why not be patient and see what actually happens. Are you new to all
this CF stuff? I am not and I have been yo-yo-ed more
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam artist
or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...
Agreed. I did not specifically speak of scammers. I spoke only of an
widows *or* orphans
Sorry, first day with the new fingers. The Yakuza can be generous and know
many microsurgerns!
T
Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi:
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam
artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...
Those people who buy, are not those who kill.
There are easier ways for such criminals to get money
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi:
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam
artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...
Those people who
Terry, take a moment and google and review the cases of:
Bedini
Dennis Lee
Sniffex (and it's $100 million lethal successors such as the ADE651,
GT200, H3 Tec, HEDD1, AL-6D)
Perendev
Mylow
Jeff Otto
Carl Tilley
Aviso
Any scam of the day at peswiki.com (Sterling cycles them through more
than once a
new fingers?
G
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi:
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop a scam
artist or a criminal of any type we would not have many around...
Am 27.11.2011 02:38, schrieb Terry Blanton:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Am 27.11.2011 02:28, schrieb Giovanni Santostasi:
Terry,
If being killed at a cost of 500 dollars would enough to stop
Rossi is a businessman who wants to make money. Solid testing would be awesome
marketing but he doesn't want to attract attention, yet he invites AP reporters
to observe tests. He doesn't need black box tests because he already has
customers, and though a satisfied customer is the best
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry, take a moment and google and review the cases of:
snip
Do you live in a world of blissful innocence in which everyone is
honest and you can believe what they say simply because they say it?
Dearest Mary,
I have
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test?
The advantage would be that people would believe him. If he did not want
to be believed, why has he gone through all the demonstrations he has done
thus far with invited guests
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Mary wrote: »Krivit provides details of the deal Rossi refused from
Celani»
Like it is typical for Krivit, he did not provide any details but silly,
arrogant and misinformed pseudopsychological speculations that are
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Also Rossi *already* got money described as a significant part of the
equation from Ampenergo. The link (again at least the fifth time) is here:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
As McKubre noted in his lecture,
Seems I have both you and Jed to talk for creating the www.lenr-canr.org
web site. Yes it is a treasure trove of information and yes it did help
to convince me and several others that Ni-H LENR reaction are real. Well
done guys. I'm sure many other do appreciate the effort and the results.
AG
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Seems I have both you and Jed to talk for creating the www.lenr-canr.org web
site.
No no no. Jed created the web site and pays the bills. This is Jed's
web site! He called for assistance on the initial
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
So a scam to rip off investors is ruled out.
How do we know Ampenergo knows things? How did we rule out that
Ampenergo is in on a scam? Ampenergo (vile name by the way -- reminds
me of Ampere No go) promised they'd
Jed has rendered excellent volunteer service to our world with his
detailed, mildly biased, comprehensive archive of published scientific
studies and workshop proceedings.
within mutual service, Rich Murray
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
What would be the advantage to Rossi if he provided a conclusive test?
He's already sold 13 of these things and plans to deliver in them in 3
months. If he really has orders backed up for these, then he could
probably make a couple hundred
Appreciate the history lesson. Good stuff. I do agree with you that F
P deserve a Noble for their work. Then they can fund Jed's work with a
small part of the prize money.
AG
On 11/27/2011 1:16 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
He's already sold 13 of these things and plans to deliver in them in 3
months.
If I said he was a scammer and will be arrested, you'd correct me to
be sure I said it was my
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
How do we know Ampenergo knows things?
I know things because people tell me. You appear to know things because you
have ESP.
How did we rule out that Ampenergo is in on a scam?
If they are, they are very good at scamming world-class experts well known
I don't know about you, but I come here for the naked protons.
Harry
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry, I'm shocked.
Yes, the f-word offends me, too. I was only trying to
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
He's already sold 13 of these things and plans to deliver in them in 3
months.
If I said he was a scammer and will be arrested, you'd correct me to
be sure I said it was my opinion and in any case far from proven or
certain.
I would never say
Entanglement of naked protons may be more interesting.
AG
On 11/27/2011 1:44 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
I don't know about you, but I come here for the naked protons.
Harry
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary
While humor can be in a spirit of mutual good will and commendable
friendly playfulness, adding to social bonding in a discussion, long
established traditions of courtesy suggest avoiding sexual innuendos,
since many participants are female people who live with plenty of
often unconscious
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