I normally hate +1s, but I want to congratulate Doc James on his
reappointment to the board. I hope we've all learned from his previous
term, and can work together to benefit the movement.
With love,
One of your list administrators, who would rather not have to deal with
fiascos.
On May 23,
After what Asaf and I agree was a sufficient time for a call for
candidates, we've appointed two new list administrators.
Please welcome Shani Evenstein and John Mark Vandenberg as your new list
overlords.
Austin
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Jane Darnell wrote:
> When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
> often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading
> later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I
found him to be likable, polite, and
>> competent.
>>
>> I think well of Shani, and as she already has some experience with
>> moderation duties, I would like to second her (self-)nomination.
>>
>> Pine
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Joseph Fox wrote:
> Thehelpfulone hasn't died. :) He's been hugely busy in real life, is all.
Please don't take my factual statement (sorry, law student) to be
throwing shade on THO. He's a great guy, and I understand that of late
he
We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
his fair share of work here.
Despite over a dozen years of friendship, I simply don't feel
qualified to eulogize Ray as others can and already have. I'll simply
say that over those years, I came to value his wisdom immensely as we
worked together on Wikimedia organization regarding chapters and other
topics. Christine and
Please consider this thread officially closed.
Continuing it further can have no possible positive value; on the
contrary, it's actively hurtful. If you want to start a new thread
discussing the issues in a generic way, go ahead, but be aware that
bullying will not be tolerated.
Austin
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Pine W wrote:
> I think that I've said enough in this thread, so I'll pause my involvement
> here for the time being.
Fortunately for you, I actually read all the way through this thread
and got to this part.
Austin
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Philippe Beaudette
wrote:
> It is deeply unsettling to have my WHAT? I confirmed no such thing, and
> your misrepresentations do you no favors.
>
> One thing I have learned over the last few years is that it is impossible
> to have a
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
> On 2/29/2016 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
>>
>> I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently
>> there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that
>> gmail users see all or most
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> OK. There are seven of us (six in this thread and Kevin in the other one).
>
> We need just the rest ~1000 to find.
>
> I think we should find first at least one of the list admins, so we
> could find the names of the
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>
>> You are not the only one who is told that dissent is not appreciated. It is
>> ironic that when openness and shared values
I think everyone should remember that sarcasm, and tone in general,
frequently do not come through across the wires, as it were.
For that matter, please, stay civil. I'm happy to report that I
haven't had to moderate anyone, yet, but I think we can all appreciate
the current circumstances.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Lila Tretikov wrote:
> In practice this means I demanded that we set standards for staff
> communication with our community to be professional and respectful. It
> meant transitioning people, shutting down pet projects, promoting some but
> not
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Theo10011 wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016, Bence Damokos wrote:
>>
>> Just as a courtesy to those who follow the topic here on the mailing list,
>> can you please send an update to this list whenever there is new content on
Even if it is a bit long-winded, I could not agree more. Thank you, Mike.
Austin
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Michael Snow
wrote:
> Hello Arnnon,
>
> It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions
> in the position you were appointed to
And just so everyone's clear, Florence's new subscription has already been
whitelisted.
Austin
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Fæ wrote:
> Sorry you've had to change email Florence.
>
> (Tangent) Could those who use *Yahoo email addresses* ask their
> friends to check if
I just wanted to pile on along with the three +1s I just approved in
the moderation queue.
Austin
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> Hello, everyone.
>
> It occurs to me this might be a good time to recycle this piece of advice I
> have had some past
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Anthony Cole wrote:
> I hope this person is blocked from posting again here. Utterly
> inappropriate.
He's on moderation, which means each of his posts to the list will be
held and must be approved individually. As a rule, we don't like to
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:41 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> I'm amused that neither of you seemed to follow your own advice here,
> starting and continuing a tangential (meta-)discussion without changing
> the subject line to create a new thread. We'll all strive indeed. :-)
You've
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Comet styles wrote:
> honestly, WMF
> has taken a nosedive since Sue left and left the organisation in the
> hands of Lila who has failed as a leader..not to mention her
> 'baby-daddy' has been banned from most wikimedia wikis as well
Having waited two days for any kind of meaningful response from either
the Board or from individual trustees, I have to say that Kat's
comments (unsurprisingly) nailed it.
I mean, seriously, nobody googled him?
Austin
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Kat Walsh wrote:
> I
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Fæ wrote:
> Hello everyone, I would like to put out a friendly reminder that good
> practice is to keep threads on topic within reason, and to create new
> discussion threads for distinct tangents or complete spin off
> discussions.
>
> "Community
We had already warned him off-list, and as a non-member I don't
believe any of his posts to wikimedia-l actually went through
(although they obviously went somewhere). Still, he would certainly be
wise to take your advice to heart. :)
Austin
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Lodewijk
These are fantastic. Great work.
Austin
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Jaime Anstee wrote:
> So cool! Thanks for sharing, Michal.
>
> --
>
> Jaime Anstee, Ph.D
> Senior Strategist
> Wikimedia Foundation
> +1.415.839.6885 ext 6869
> www.wikimediafoundation.org
>
>
I won't speak for him, but I think Richard was venting more than
making a serious threat. Assuming this is indeed unintentional, nobody
has anything to worry about.
Austin
On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM, K. Peachey wrote:
> I think that is a tad inappropriate, when it's
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Ellie Young wrote:
> A lot of work has gone into preparing for the consultation.It will be
> going out December 14. We are looking forward to getting everyone's feedback
> in the weeks after and into early January.
Is there a
I understand and even sympathize with your position, although not your
outright hostility. (Please keep that to a minimum, by the way.)
As others have said, the recognition of Adele Vrana as one of the
three laureates accepting on behalf of the Community, and with it the
explicit recognition of
This thread went to a bad place surprisingly fast, even for this list.
I understand that emotions are high, but please keep your tempers in
check and your discussion on-topic. Whatever you may think of Fæ's
proposal, I don't think it was intended to provoke a religious
argument, which I hope
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Yana Welinder y...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I should also mention that while we try to be as transparent as possible in
all our work (including holding community consultations around all major
legal policies and providing frequent updates on our work), there are
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Trillium Corsage
trillium2...@yandex.com wrote:
I wasn't going to join in, not wanting to affect Fae's situation with my own,
but reading the latest emails he was actually concerned with the UK list, so
I'll go ahead.
Would someone mind taking me off
As Richard says, there's no way to get a quick count from the admin
interface. It certainly isn't most of the 1510 subscribed addresses,
despite all new subscriptions being moderated by default.
Looking at my archived messages for this week, it appears that we
average 2-3 held messages per day,
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Trillium Corsage
trillium2...@yandex.com wrote:
I wasn't going to join in, not wanting to affect Fae's situation with my own,
but reading the latest emails he was actually concerned with the UK list, so
I'll go ahead.
Would someone mind taking me off
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, there was a typo there. I intended this to go to wikimediauk-l
where I have been on moderation since last year.
That's a relief. The first thing I did when I saw this topic was log
into mailman, both because I was sure you
Okay, but seriously, please stop resurrecting this thread. If you
think it's important that something be done, start a new one, and
*actually suggest something* rather than just copying articles from
somewhere else.
Austin
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Steven Walling
steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
These off topic emails about the same subject Andreas grinds his axe about
perpetually are pretty annoying. Can moderation do something please?
I'm not sure what forum would be more on-topic, if not this one. I
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-03-13 11:56 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:
On 13 March 2015 at 09:06, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:
Fae, you are aware that this is NOT the list for en.wp, right?
Perhaps you missed the part of
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Cristian Consonni
kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-02-24 15:52 GMT+01:00 Lane Rasberry l...@bluerasberry.com:
On English Wikipedia I have met with resistance in documenting crowdfunding
projects. I would like clarity on the extent to which the Wikimedia
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Jan 29, 2015 4:35 AM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
On an unrelated note, is there a particular reason we're highlighting
two of our (more than two) former board members in the bottom section?
Yes
I know Gerard is always saying this, but... wow. Yeah. It kind of hits
you in the face.
On an unrelated note, is there a particular reason we're highlighting
two of our (more than two) former board members in the bottom section?
Austin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Christophe Henner
christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote:
PS: no cheese pun in this email, but there was an abondance of puns above.
You decided to have Murcian us? That's too bad; we're whey overdue in
the humor department.
Austin
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:59 PM, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote:
But if you think you or anyone else can intimidate me into staying quiet when
I see something fundamentally wrong happening, guess again.
Now to put it politely, at least to start with:
Go climb a tree.
Well... that was kind
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 15-01-09 09:26 AM, Richard Symonds wrote:
I believe mailman allows people to be added without confirmation
too!
It does, our list admins are just too polite to do that to people.
This one is, at least. Wikimedia-l
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote:
For those unfamiliar with American political history in its brief
existence, this is entirely expected. The power over who has the right to
hire and fire whom has been the center of our politics since near
Yes. As stated in my original messages, you can (and should) use the
report link at the bottom of the subscription e-mail.
Austin
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive
nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd wrote:
+1 Karthik. Better to report the group.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Karthik
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:30 PM, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote:
But in future, I think I'll sign in more often, esp. now that half the
WikiGods have my uid on an alert trigger now. :)
I think the question is only being asked because you're displaying a
profound lack of understanding of how
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly, there's not a single thing I've read, or a single objection I've
seen raised, that wasn't about how unnecessary it is to focus on women. I
don't think we've ever heard that about the global south, or non-European
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
It is an honorary doctorate, not quite the same. As I understand it, it is
not connected to a discipline.
So, wait... you're saying that Wikipedia is not a real doctor, and I
*shouldn't* be relying on it for medical
Yes, it almost certainly is, and this isn't new to us. We dealt with
this exact type of attack as recently as last month.
Austin
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:
This is probably related to a group that calls itself India Against
Corruption.
You may have already received a message indicating that you've been
added to the Wikimedia-l Google Group; if not, you likely will soon.
In case it's not clear, this Google Group is in no way affiliated with
Wikimedia-l, the Wikimedia Foundation, me, or anybody you'd ever want
to be friends with.
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:
It is time for a new strategic priority: closing the Community Gap. That is
the gap between WMF and the local communities worldwide. It is not new, it
exists for many years already. (It resulted also in the drama of the
Forwarding at Frieda's request.
Austin
-- Forwarded message --
From: Frieda Brioschi fbrios...@wikimedia.org
Date: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:19 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Board approval of FDC
Recommendations Round 1 2014-2015
To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:
Dear Fae,
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:27:31 +
Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
Please ignore. This is yet more malicious and disruptive Job Jobbing
of Russavia, and for all I know of shlomif too.
Just for the record, I
I have, reluctantly, turned on moderation for new subscriptions, and
told mailman to e-mail the admins whenever anyone subscribes.
(Subscription will still be open.) It's my intention to unmoderate—as
quickly as possible—anyone who's posted a few times and established
that they're doing so in good
(Just to be clear, everyone already subscribed is still free to post.
Only new signups going forward will be moderated by default, and only
until they've demonstrated that they're not sockpuppets.)
A
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
I have, reluctantly
Mailman clobbers HTML sent to this list (for good reason), but if
you'd like to see it in all its technicolor glory, here's the e-mail
in question: http://bit.ly/1zCPGQZ
(Sorry, future list archive perusers, that's not a permanent link.)
Austin
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Liam Wyatt
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:
I do not see why I should be wasting more time for IAC.
Then please don't; there's enough nastiness in this thread as it is.
Thanks,
Austin
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I assert that you're absolutely disrupting this mailing list. I have
banned this address, and will ban any others that surface from you or
your tens of thousands of bot—sorry, members, intent on disrupting
the list to pursue whatever agenda it is you're trying to shove in
everyone's faces.
Austin
That's true of most project-specific discussions, but in this case, I
don't think the answer to Commons isn't open to policy discussions
is Go start a policy discussion on Commons.
As long as Commons is meant to be a repository for the whole movement,
I think it is fairly topical here.
Austin
Shut up, Russavia.
I wouldn't normally be so curt with someone I just put on moderation,
but apparently you think that's an appropriate tone to use on this
list.
Austin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh cry me a river Nathan.
What is
Okay, guys, let's all take a step back and remember [[WP:Civility]].
(Yeah, I know that's a Wikipedia pillar, but can't we all at least get
on board with that one?)
The tone of this thread was accusatory from the start, and quickly
went to vicious. Maybe everyone can try it again with a bit of
Mr. Admin,
I fully support both transparency and free speech, and would never
suggest that you should be denied the right to ask the questions
you're asking. I can, however, object to your use of the mailing list
I administer (as a volunteer, in anticipation of your likely response)
to ask those
For the record, about an hour ago I permanently banned Site Admin,
going so far as to create regex filters for his content. And no,
Russavia, I didn't think it was you.
Unfortunately, I can't do anything about the individual
subscriptions—yes, I got one too.
Austin
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:22
C'mon, Kim, you know better. Keep it on IRC.
Austin
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yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of appeals for
Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal grievances.
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Darcy,
I am
Toward the end of the month, I normally start watching the post count,
since I know that thirty-post limit has a way of sneaking up on some
people. Some months, this gets out of hand quickly, but I was
surprised when the current count was brought to my attention just
halfway through the month.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
I recommend that the Foundation explore gender-inclusive cryonics
solutions. I understand that supercooling vitrification freezers such as
those manufactured by ABI, Ltd. of Chiba, Japan called CASfresh or Cells
Alive
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 1:48 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
And then they draw comics stating that that's WMF's fault?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_building_wiki_wall_in_August_2014_caricature.jpg
What a wonderful community (clique of active editors and sysops) we
With 11 days remaining in August, I'd like to remind everyone that
Wikimedia-l's guidelines[0] ask that subscribers keep their post count
below at most 30 per month. This guideline exists to help curb the
temptation to weigh in on absolutely every point raised, turning what
could otherwise be a
Yes, I temporarily placed Tomasz on moderation after his personal
attacks on the list. I apologize for apparently not making this clear
enough with my on-list warning.
I spent most of yesterday afternoon traveling home from Wikimania, and
have not seen any messages from him since. As the admin
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
Current working practices on lists include never being informed that
it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the
moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of
appeal or timely review. More
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 6:29 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
As this has wide-ranging implications, I have started an RFC on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights
With that done, I'd like to ask that discussion on this topic be
continued
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski
twkozlow...@gmail.com wrote:
Someone is definitely forgetting that Wikimedia wikis are not the
Foundation's personal playground.
You should be ashamed of yourself, Erik, and you should resign or be fired.
And all volunteers should make
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Trillium Corsage
trillium2...@yandex.com wrote:
(I dunno, Chinese military intelligence, with whom arbitrator Timotheus
Canens is said by some to be associated?)
Seriously?
I think you've gone on long enough for now. You can come off
moderation when you
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Please note that moderation is not a punishment: it is imposed as a measure
to avoid future posts within a certain pattern of expectation when there
are reasonable grounds to do so.
Absolutely correct. Moderated posts
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 8:14 AM, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote:
On 17/06/2014 00:23, Steven Walling wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation does not write nor edit content on Wikipedia, nor
does it dictate editorial policy.
I am aware of that, but (a) does that have to be the case anyway? If the
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:26 PM, George William Herbert
george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
Conflating and comingling our educational role with open content advocacy was
always risky and is proving impossible. Without devaluing open content, we
need to separately support fair use for educational
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
I think we all share a concern about the amount of drama in our
community-wide discussions. Expressing outrage (even though it's sometimes
appropriate and necessary) can often be the fuel of drama -- and I think
it's
I, Liliane Bettencourt Authenticate this email of 3.5M USD grant to
you, please view my
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́Fae,
You just did. Arguably, you did even worse by throwing the allegation
out there without substantiation. Nobody's asking you to be friends
with Greg Kohs—it's no secret that I'm not—but you're dredging up
off-list history for no productive reason I can discern.
Since I'm responsible for
Wil,
Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our
approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes
step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for
this list, that bar's set pretty high.
The soft post limit that's been pointed out to you
Guys... c'mon...
Austin
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Carlos M. Colina
ma...@wikimedia.org.ve wrote:
Sometimes I have the perception that it is not just not aligned but diverting
more and more as time passes by..
M
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I think that if you stop to think about it another way, you'll find
that this would do the opposite of what you intend, to wit: allowing
various courts to impose editorial control.
Imagine Circletine, once a popular childhood beverage but now the
issue of some controversy regarding its tendency
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