Hoi,
The two biggest technical changes that had a huge impact on all our
projects were first Commons and then Wikidata. Commons centralised pictures
in one location and this saved Wikimedia a huge amount in storage costs.
Wikidata centralised all the interwiki links in one database and it stopped
Hoi,
I know the license... is it wise to use these pictures? What is it that the
WMF advises?
Thanks,
GerardM
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:38, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Fjmustak (Farah Jack Mustaklem, a recent candidate for the WMF board) has
> uploaded a picture of the two jailed
Hoi,
The best competition to the English Wikipedia? Any other Wikipedia. The
Wikimedia Foundation increasingly puts its effort outside the borders of
the USA. As a techie I am really pleased with a full fledged data centre in
France. Then there is the Abstract Wikipedia, given that facts are
Hoi,
Quote: "A significant minority of participants" so the majority is not what
Sign Post represents.. obviously.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 at 17:33, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> The Signpost – Volume 18, Issue 11 – 28 November 2022
> --
>
> News and notes:
hat
>> different projects consider to be important. I'd really like to encourage
>> that other newsletter links be posted on this list.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 07:31, Gerard Meijssen
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>&
gt; Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 16:35:35 +0200
>> From: Gerard Meijssen
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: The new Signpost is out!
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> Message-ID:
>> > f...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative
Hoi,
De Signpost is een publicatie van de Engelse Wikipedia. Waarom wordt de
Wikimedia mailing list daarmee lastig gevallen?
Vriendelijke groet,
GerardM
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 14:26, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> The Signpost – Volume 18, Issue 9 – 30 September 2022
>
Hoi,
At the same time, Wikipedia was offered to the world in English and only
now we put more effort into bringing Wikipedia to the rest of our world, in
other languages. When you consider the huge bias we offer in our
information about ourselves. Your arguments centre around a past that was
Hoi,
What is the point of diversity when the agenda for everyone is insisted to
be the same. What is the point of much of what we do as volunteers when it
will not be considered as the basis for use by a public?
Thanks,
GerardM
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 12:26, WereSpielChequers
wrote:
>
Hoi,
My experience as a candidate was that the diversity sought is external. You
may look different, have a different background, speak a different
language, come from a different country. However, when you have an agenda,
want something that is not on the agenda, you are informed that there is
Hoi,
How do you compare functionality that is totally broken with "another
tool". Or is your tool broken as well?
As to Commons, we once had a Wikidata provided search tool that allowed
search in any language. It was "adopted" by general search and is now no
longer functional. In essence it
Hoi,
In information I read the WMF intends to spend less. However, given that
there is a huge technical debt in maintenance, including software that is
currently not functional. I wonder why we intend to spend less when our
technical house is not in order.
For just one example of technical debt
Hoi,
Wikimedia Germany produced a tool that allows people to find pictures based
on the Wikidata item they are associated with (depicts)... As Wikidata uses
labels in all the Wikimedia languages, it follows that when labels exist,
children who seek pictures at school can find these pictures.
When
re
> appropriate transparency.
>
> Please avoid making bad faith accusations of using a "page out of the
> playbook" of escalation when they have done no such thing. It is
> manipulative and unwelcome when you know nothing about who you are
> attacking.
>
> Lane
>
>
Hoi,
A reality check. With a Wikipedian in jail in Belarus, it is easy to grasp
that Wikipedia is not the flavour of the month in either Belarus or in
Russia by the "powers that be".
When you compare Wikimedia projects to Facebook, the glaring difference
between them is money. Our money has as a
Hoi,
What you describe is a standard approach to what is not the real
problem.The problem is in diversity. It is a stated objective and the
Wikimedia Foundation does a comparatively good job.. except that it could
be so much better.
Another issue with concentrating on fundraising is that it is
One of the stated objectives for the board of the Wikimedia Foundation is
to have a more diverse representation, for it to be more inclusive. As an
abstract it is a really worthwhile objective, once chosen as one of the
more diverse board members of the Wikimedia Foundation however, it is easy
to
Hoi James,
The biggest bottleneck to innovation is our own community process. It is
also an impossibility to get Wikimedia to consider how it performs for
specific groups of students. Never mind.
When you want to increase the value of "Our World in Data", it helps when
their identifiers are
Hoi,
For what it is worth, I don't mind the WMF accepting crypto.. I do mind WMF
hanging on to crypto currencies. So when they get it and monetise it
immediately, all well and good. The motto being: You do not look a gift
horse in the mouth ...
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at
Hoi,
Only Pallas Athena arrived fully mature in armour from the head of Zeus. We
will never have a complete plan when all we do is based on the existence of
budgets, it failed us miserably. The way forward is to own our infra
structure including all software and decide its worth, its risc and if
Hoi,
There should be several mechanisms determining what work gets done. What
Asaf describes is a budget based process. Another mechanism is centred
around responsibility.
The granularity of responsibility does not negate that the buck stops at a
certain level. When responsibility has no
Hoi,
I am really happy to have noticed that Wikisource books will be offered by
the Internet Archive in its Open Library project.
Obviously, it is well deserved that Wikisource gets a bigger public.
I have two questions:
* to what extent is the Wikimedia Foundation aware and has been involved
*
Hoi,
What Jimmy does or does not from within his own organisation has nothing to
do with the Wikimedia Foundation. You know that..
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 22:20, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Given the topic of human rights, I would like to point out that we have
> not had any
Hoi,
As long as we can not confidently search for pictures in any language I
really wonder what the point is of such an exercise. In my opinion we
should prioritise measurable effects for our users. Something like: "A nine
year old will find pictures in his or her language on all the subjects of
the list at
>> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..."
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>1. Re: Wikimedia-l Dig
Hoi,
Why is it that you consider the "community" a single body that has a remit
under the law for anything? It is not and it has not.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 11:40, Nosebagbear wrote:
> Dear Patrick,
>
> Firstly, you (and in this case, I mean, "I notified members of T
Hoi,
Dear Todd, thank you for the invite to read up on this document full of
"buzzwords and fury, signifying nothing". I did just that and not find what
you suggested, what I found is a determined effort to bring more equity and
diversity (you can look up the words in Wiktionary or any other
Hoi,
Andreas, you are entitled to an opinion. But it is your opinion. When
others say things about the WMF, what it is there for, its challenges, when
they build an argument you can and you do ignore it. The consequence is
that it invalidates your refutations and your opinion is only that at best.
a=3876137=3875379
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights#Conclusion
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-13/News_and_notes
> [4] https://wikipedia20.pubpub.org/pub/fcgjp9ul/release/2
> [5]
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/09/23/
Hoi,
Thank you for your reply. I am grateful for the insight that you offered
and find that my notions have mostly aligned. They will align even more as
I consider it further.
There is one other aspect that you miss.. probably quite deliberately.
There are those that consider that Wikipedia is
Hoi,
Facts are in and of themselves not copyrightable. Collections of data may
be copyrighted.We choose not to and as a result Wikidata is the powerhouse
that it has become.The CC-by-sa license is our license of choice for
Wikipedia however, the way it has been enforced so far has been defensive,
Hoi,
As you present your numbers in isolation, you can make up any argument and
not address any of the points made in the original post and subsequent
replies. When you mention salaries, you do not compare them to the common
practices for remuneration and only when you do, can you argue that it is
eventing it from happening.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong by pointing out how much money was spent
> on the priorities you highlight.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno sab 25 set 2021 alle ore 09:19 Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> H
t; Once again this is not what the fundraising messages point out.
>
> This is just a quite shareable list of top priorities in your opinion.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno sab 25 set 2021 alle ore 09:00 Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> H
y that they couldn't do with some more money than
> the amount they have – but about whether you give the public and
> prospective donors a more or less accurate impression of your financial
> situation and your spending intentions.
>
> Do you think the current fund
; portrayed by banners is not true, there's no risk of closing our projects.
>
> *Assumes that there is only one project* is true, but in terms of current
> fundraising communication.
>
> Vito
>
>
> Il giorno ven 24 set 2021 alle ore 14:50 Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs..
Hoi,
There are some people who repeatedly argue that we raise way too much
money. Given a set of assumptions an argument can be constructed to make
this point. In my opinion there is little merit to the argument. We do need
money to operate the Wikimedia projects and a positive outcome per year
es with updates to Wikipedia election
> articles anywhere. I have no idea how to tackle these issues but have
> complete confidence in the various election-related WikiProjects so if
> there’s such a project on meta maybe they have already joined forces on
> this.
> Jane
>
> Sent from
Hoi,
What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa
we do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the
last 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is
fine with me that subjects like this are raised.
Thanks,
GerardM
Hoi,
Please use Google when you do not know who you are talking to.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 19:09, wrote:
> >Mike is not an employee nor a spokesperson for the
> Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Oh, thanks.
>
> I don't know who he is. His manner led me to believe he represented
Hoi,
Get your facts straight. Mike is not an employee nor a spokesperson for the
Wikimedia Foundation. Andreas has a set of hobby horses. That is fine but
it does not follow that we have to be grateful for them. Yes, there are
plenty of issues with all of our projects and at that, English sets a
Hoi,
There were Wikipedias closed in the past before the recent issue at the
Croation Wikipedia because of content, language. It is not only recent, it
is more pronounced but not a shift
Thanks,
GerardM
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 at 19:00, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Well, that was the difference I
Hoi,
Given that I reply to your statement.. it should be obvious.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 at 13:12, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Gerard,
>
> With whom do you beg to differ?
>
> P
>
>
>
> *From:* Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijs...@gmail.com]
>
Hoi,
I beg to differ. If anything the WMF needs to focus us more on the
imbalance that exists between the fundamental bias toward English versus
all other languages. For me the easiest picking is to share in the sum of
the knowledge that is available to us. To get there simple goals like "a
nine
es irrespective of
> multilingualism issues, but we have notably improved over time.
>
> best,
>
> Dariusz Jemielniak, "pundit"
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 6:33 AM Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> The notion that search works because "there is so
n.com/in/ircpresident> <
> http://instragram.com/ircpresident>
> >
> > Key: 0x5D13669E Fingerprints: 7838 7FE7 E0E4 BF88 0024 2703 B452 E75A
> > 5D13 669E
> >
> > Amplifying Global Voices stories by the translation into dozens of
> > languages with the help of
Hoi,
After a five year run, the Wikicite project has come to an end, it is a
success. To secure the accomplishments of the last five years, it is
vitally important to find a public for what comes next. The suggestion from
the Wikicite people is to support all Wikipedias [1]. This is a great
gt; A board that starts dictating how projects must function, is probably
> a board that volunteers would never elect, if they have a choice.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 15:26, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > You make your point and
do not truly value the data that
we have.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaSearch?type=image=beaver
[2] https://hay.toolforge.org/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q181191
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 13:42, Fæ wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 17:32, Gerard Meijsse
Hoi,
In an ideal world, it is indeed the content of the Wikimedia projects that
our public sees. Each project represents a set of editors who contribute to
a project. In general, all well meaning contributors are welcome. Some
contributors contribute regularly, take pride in it and associate
Hoi,
The purpose of a Wikipedia is to provide encyclopaedic knowledge to a
public. The purpose of the Wikimedia projects is to share in the sum of all
knowledge. What the Wikimedia organisation supports is the infrastructure
for our public to share in the sum of all the knowledge available to us
Hoi.
One reason why I am a candidate for the board of the WMF is that in my
opinion one function is lacking. There is no reflection of the fact that
all that we do is to share the sum of all knowledge. It is not only about
the creation of content but also about sharing the sum all the knowledge
Hoi,
Fae a few points..First board members are volunteers like you and all the
things that are asked of a candidate represents a significant amount of
time. In addition there are timelines and the notion of a process to
improve questions is not really feasible. Also I said it before, many of
the
Hoi, some reflections:
You have to appreciate that fulfilling the role of a board member of the
Wikimedia Foundations is very time consuming. The candidates that may be
chosen from are all volunteers, they have a day job. The argument for
having only eleven questions as given to us candidates
Hoi,
First, I am a candidate for the board of the Wikimedia Foundation. I have
taken time to see what people say, not react immediately.
For María to become a consultant, I am of two minds. She is probably best
placed to support the implementation of the strategy as defined. With both
the
Hoi,
Why is a guideline on English Wikipedia the right place for a policy that
is of a global relevance?
Thanks,
GerardM
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 09:05, টিটো দত্ত Tito Dutta
wrote:
> Hello,
> This is something I have been thinking about for some time. This June–July
> we will see a couple of
13 Jun 2021 at 11:41, Željko Blaće wrote:
> On 6/13/21, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >
> https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2021/06/board-member-of-wikimedia-foundation.html
>
> Good for you Gerard. However it would be better if your inputs would
> not consistently direct away fr
Hoi,
I have put myself forward as a candidate for the board of the Wikimedia
Foundation. What I hope to achieve is that as a global community, as a
movement, foundation, we will share more of "the sum of the knowledge that
is available to us".
In my opinion this fits in perfectly with our
Hoi,
I respectfully totally disagree.
My response you find on my blog..
Thanks,
GerardM
https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2021/05/wikimedia-needs-your-support-because.html
On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 16:49, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Hi again, Julia and Pats,
>
> I've written an article for
Hoi,
First of all I totally agree that the endowment should function as a
guarantee that material donated to Commons by people and organisations
effectively guarantees its future existence and availability. With the
United States destabilised by fracturing democratic institutes, it follows
that at
Hoi,
Jimmy has a project that does exactly that.
Having said that, what we could do is have a project investigating the
missing information in Wikidata. The bias in Wikidata is alive and well. I
doubt for instance that there is one city in Africa whose mayors are all
known in Wikidata.. For
Hoi,
Wikimedia is now associated with a project where trees are planted.
In many ways the notion of planting new trees is great.
However, very often it is not. In Europe grazers are actively introduced to
prevent shrubs and trees from growing. Reasons for this abound. The first
is that it helps
Hoi,
Would it be considered for projects that are not the initial target to opt
in.. I expect that particular in the smaller projects this will be really
welcome and beneficial.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 16:39, Amir E. Aharoni
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> *Crossposting to Wikimedia-L,
Hoi,
I do not like the text. You first state a problem that the policy is to
address. By flipping the order it becomes instantly more positive. The
objective is to instill the notion what normal behaviour is and that sadly
we have to insist on normal behaviour.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Mon, 7
Hoi,
We do not need a "centralised Wiki for NC files". What we need is
recognition of what we have and where we have it.
In the Wikification of media files, only the files at Commons have so far
been considered. In addition to the mediafiles that should be in Commons
because of their license,
Hoi,
So what is your alternative, what do you have as an alternative?
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Hi Christel,
> I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable
> policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that
I have documenten my Wiki related activities for fifteen years on my blog
[1]. I write argued opinions centred around my experiences. I always invite
people to consider the arguments and argue their point.
At this point I find the Wikimedia Foundation increasingly intolerant of
considered
Hoi,
How can OTRS be part of Wikipedia, it is there for any and all projects.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 10:48, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Context is necessary to understand this.
> If OTRS part of Wikipedia? If not, Which ANI?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
>
Hoi,
HAPPY NEWS :)
We will learn a lot, experience many challenges and it does have the
potential to provide more of the information that is available to us.
Particularly in languages other than English the impact can be huge.
At a Wikidata conference in Berlin we had someone from PanLex present
ect, unfortunately they did not
> identify a cure.
> Cheers,
> P
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> Sent: 29 June 2020 12:36
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wiki
not refute by dismissing them.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 11:43, Benjamin Lees wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:56 AM Gerard Meijssen >
> wrote:
>
> > Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the
> choices
> > made. You are a Wik
Hoi,
Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the choices
made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects and
you make that plain in what you say. The problem with bias is that it has
consequences in how you approach issues. When Wikipedia "consensus"
Hoi,
It is abundantly clear that some identify only by their community. It is
abundantly clear that people in some communities do not recognise shared
values like "sharing in the sum of all knowledge".
It is also clear that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound by what some in
a community insist
Hoi,
Please take a step back. The Wikimedia Foundation is incorporated in a way
specifically designed to prevent the community from taking over. The
problem with the community is that there is no community as such; there is
a movement that includes different communities with different needs and
Hoi,
I do not translate but I do care. What I personally do is include data in a
structured manner. I do it for things I more or less care about.. It does
include awards, educated at, employed by, Ottoman history, Africa,
science.. The point in what I do is that much of these structures can be
Hoi,
Today I wrote a "swot analysis" [1]. What I want us to achieve is an
increased effectiveness in our aim to share the sum of all knowledge.
What I write is stark. I allow for a situation where Mr Trump remains
president. I contrast on the one hand that room for growth (think audience)
is not
Hoi,
The biggest problem of this strategy document that I see is that it is
oriented towards our own internals. This is best understood from the first
sentence: *People-centeredness means that every aspect of our Movement must
address the needs and challenges of the people who power it and whom
Hoi,
How will you cope in other languages, other scripts. Is engaging all over
the world NOT in English a consideration>
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 05:34, Zack McCune wrote:
> Hi Tito -
>
> Your observation is fair and welcome. The project team will update the
> timeline on
Hoi,
To help you remember, we had such situations in the past, they were
resolved. It was ultimately the language committee who stopped Wikipedias.
Background it is this same language committee who is instrumental in
starting new projects.
On a different topic. Diversity and bias is very much
Hey Chris,
The most inspiring thing, what will have a huge effect on our community
happened in the last week or so. It started with a proof of concept by Hay
Kranen [1]. It works and it brought search to Commons. Multi lingual search
to Commons. In the example you search for a "kamsalamander" in
Hoi,
I have been playing with the tool for some time and it is already great; it
works and it is a great basis to expand on. Expand its functionality and
data quality.
I added a label in Urdu in Wikidata for "Mujaddid Ahmad Ijaz" and once the
synchronisation was done, I found a wealth of pictures
Hoi,
I have been a professional developer for much of my working life. From what
I know of what Hay has done, I know you are wrong depending on the approach
taken. Building this functionality can be an iterative process, it does not
need to be all singing all dancing from the start. At one time
when it's ready". Which is
> fair, they are doing their job.
> I can't change that yet. I don't know how my attitude can change it. I
> still think that this relies on the attitude of the bulk of users that even
> now are not interested in dealing with such long-term issues of Commons
it that you can click on to search depicts statements for that
> category’s topic without having to look up the QID first.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> > On 24 May 2020, at 10:30, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > Two more localisations became available, one f
an example).
Thanks,
GerardM
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 07:33, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Florence I totally agree that proper internatonalisation, localisation is
> key. What is key for me is that this already provides an easy and obvious
> search function for mediafiles that hav
kimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hay%27s_SDSEARCH
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 01:21, Florence Devouard wrote:
>
> Le 24/05/2020 à 00:23, Erik Moeller a écrit :
> > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:10 AM Gerard Meijssen
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hay Kranen created a proof of concept wher
Hoi,
Hay Kranen created a proof of concept where Commons is searched for
pictures that (per standard) use a "depicts" statement.. The search is
limited to existing labels in Wikidata and to the search has as its result
whatever is available in commons..
Use for instance "appelmoes" and you get
Hoi,
Dear Ziko, your proposal is business as usual. The biggest question we
should ask is not what do we do but WHY do we do it. When we decide that
Open Content is there to be used, it follows that it is a key performance
indicator to know to what extend we serve a public and what public we
have,
Hoi,
Just consider this, there are still many pictures in the English Wikipedia
that could be in Commons because of its license and regularly there are
pictures in Commons that are deleted because there license is not
compatible with Commons. At Commons a revolution is taking place because
the
Hoi,
To me this is similar to the argument why we do not really raise funds in
some countries that "are poor". Some people are poor, certainly, but many
others are not. The argument that we can afford has a relation to our
aspirations, ambitions what can we do better, more particularly in the
.
>
> And maybe there's a good reason to listen to the people who literally built
> the thing, made it into what it is, and still day to day keep it going.
> Maybe we know what we're doing. I think we rather proved it.
>
> Todd
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:00 PM Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
When I read something like this, it takes me aback. Yes, people may have an
opinion, they may even express it and they even may be wrong. Who cares
really. There is enough to dislike in branding, we are not cattle. From a
marketing perspective there may be a point. The point would be to bring
Hoi,
The fact that it is considered major enough to address how Snøhetta became
blocked on English Wikipedia is ok. What is also does is confirm the bias
towards English Wikipedia. I am pretty sure that in the briefing of
Snøhetta personnel it was NOT mentioned that other projects may have
Hoi,
Obviously with a pandemic people die including notable people. As I am used
to do, I have a query, a Listeria list that will update the latest
information based on what we know in Wikidata.
Given that it is not restricted to any one Wikipedia, we will know the
notable dead from any and all
cope for
> > confusion, there is less likely for confusion to occur when you are
> > sufficiently specific when referring to the ambiguous entities.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wiki
---Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> Sent: 15 March 2020 08:37
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
>
> Hoi,
> By making the p
age-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 2:12 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
>
> Hoi,
> Essie, the w
Hoi,
Essie, the work done by Snøhetta centres on the notion of Wikipedia as a
unifying brand. The problem is that Wikipedia on its own is 300 projects
and that for many, if not most people English Wikipedia *is *Wikipedia.
When we are all to be Wikipedia we will all suffer from the bias that
Hoi,
Benjamin is it fair to expect that you are a Wikipedian first and a
Wikimedian second? The problem with perception is that it differs from
where you stand. One of the easiest things to solve on all the Wikipedias
are false friends but hey I stand with data and the Wikipedia perception is
that
,
Gerard
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 09:39, Gnangarra wrote:
> Scope is a Commons community decision,
> OTRS is solely about licensing
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 15:30, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > No it is an administrative process. It follows its own rules IN
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