Hello Rogol,
I said I would get back to you on three questions (below). Plus, I’d like
to return to a point you made about "upstream" collaboration and add an
update on Maps and Interactive.
- What do we philosophically believe: to roadmap or not to roadmap?
- What do we currently have in
Rogol,
Hello. I am close to having some clarity to share. Might I extend to mid
April?
/a
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Anna Stillwell
wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rogol Domedonfors > wrote:
>
>> Anna,
>>
>>
>> > > >
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rogol Domedonfors
wrote:
> Anna,
>
>
> > > > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the
> >
> > > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little about
> > the
> > > > past. I can address the
Anna,
> > > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the
>
> > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little about
> the
> > > past. I can address the future. To properly address the future, ad hoc
> > and
> > > particular solution sets won't suffice.
Hello Rogol,
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Rogol Domedonfors
wrote:
> Anna,
>
>
> > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is
> > necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is
> not
> > a strategy. But maybe it's
Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 2:55 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work
> > on pause
> &
; Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 2:55 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work
> on pause
>
> Hoi,
> Rogol... the past... whose past? When you argue that we have to learn from
> the past, it is go
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Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 2:55 PM
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pause
Hoi,
Rogol... the past... whose past? When you argue that we have to learn from the
past, it is good
Good answer.
Cheers,
Peter
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Anna Stillwell
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 3:34 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
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Hoi,
Rogol... the past... whose past? When you argue that we have to learn from
the past, it is good to accept current polities of a project as an argument
but such an argument has to convince us all.
I have experience and I dispair. I find that policies that are external to
me should be accepted
To understand Hoi you first need to get yourself some stroopwafels to go
with your coffee
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Anna Stillwell
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Anna I
Anna,
> Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is
> necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is not
> a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation.
>
Certainly, but there is an old saying about "the triumph of hope over
experience". The
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Anna I absolutely loved what you write.
Gerard, I'm feeling the love, dude.
(A fellow co-worker and I were talking the other day and she said that she
even calls inanimate objects dude. I deeply
Hoi,
Anna I absolutely loved what you write. It is very much uplifting to see
that you want to move forward and want to do this based on the facts on the
ground and not so much on our convoluted history that is spread out so much
that even someone like me who has been involved for the longest time
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Rogol Domedonfors
wrote:
> Anna,
>
>
> > As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me to
> > visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color.
> >
>
> Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list.
>
Thank
Anna,
> As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me to
> visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color.
>
Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list.
> Call me naive, but I’m excited by the prospect of the movement strategy
>
"Rogol",
As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me to
visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color.
On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Rogol Domedonfors
wrote:
> Anna
>
>
> > To be clear, I’m engaged in understanding your perspective. I’m
>
Gerard,
> What I explicitly say is that when the whole of the community is seen as
> the community of en.wp then I truly think there is something fundamentally
> wrong with the notions pandered.
I agree, and the more readily since I do not think, and have not said, that
the English-language
Hoi,
What I explicitly say is that when the whole of the community is seen as
the community of en.wp then I truly think there is something fundamentally
wrong with the notions pandered.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 28 January 2017 at 18:54, Rogol Domedonfors
wrote:
> Gerard,
>
Gerard,
If you think it is particularly bad for the WMF to be asked to engage with
the community, perhaps you could tell us how, in your view, the way the WMF
plans its activities and spends the donors' money, and supports the people
who write the contents of the projects the WMF hosts, could be
Hoi,
When an argument has it that something will not workshop because of en wp,
I am disgusted. Yet another argument on less of 50% of our traffic.
It is particulariteit bad when the wmf is asked to engage the community.
What community?
Thanks,
GerardM
Op za 28 jan. 2017 om 18:27 schreef
Anna
> To be clear, I’m engaged in understanding your perspective. I’m
> not promising to do any specific thing at this time. I like understanding
> problems and wondering how we might solve seemingly complicated ones in
> simple ways. It’s kind of a sickness.
>
Got it, thanks for asking.
>
>
Anna
Thank you for that. In general an engagement works well when both, or all,
parties have something to bring to the table and something to gain from the
engagement (and certain other factors are in . So for example, in the
field of software planning one might expect that an engagement
The sincerity and quality of communication in this thread, and is
deep-linked citations, made me grin in an outrageous week. You are all
wonderful.
On the original subject: Interactives are increasingly satisfying to use;
hats off to those involved. No surprise they inspired this shaded
Hey Pine,
Thanks for all of the good ideas. I'll reach out to you.
As for the other suggestions, I appreciate them. I do a lot better and
understand a lot more in 1:1 communication, so I'd prefer to interview
people.
/a
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Pine W wrote:
> Hi
Speaking of communications, it would help if I would practice what I
preach. Let me reword one problematic sentence: "Perhaps this could be the
start of a "Community-WMF Communications office hour that could happen on a
quarterly basis." Sorry for the extra email to fix that.
I'm not sure that
Hi Anna,
Outside of the scope of this thread, I'd be glad to have a conversation
about WMF-community communication in general. May I suggest making that a
subject for an office hour at some future time? We'll likely need more than
a single office hour to untangle all of the threads and make sure
Rogol,
Good to hear from you.
"I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way
answerable to the Community. I would have thought that was the least productive
form of engagement between the two sides."
Rogol, I'd like to hear more about what you mean here, specifically in
I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way
answerable to the Community. I would have thought that was the least
productive form of engagement between the two sides. The issue is what, if
anything, will happen to the tools that the contributors want and need to
carry
I guess the question is was this a request for input on what the community
thinks of the Interactive Team or the strategy of the discovery team? Or
was it simply a "for your information", we have decided to do X, Y, and Z.
The first is much more preferable to the second, but it appears the second
On 01/25/2017 09:52 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote:
Got it. (I add color so I can see. I think I need better glasses. Sad!).
:)
I was just asking whether you thought it was reasonable to give them the
time that they asked for. It wasn't a governance question, or a discussion
about authority. I was
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> Anna,
>
> I've now read what you quoted for a third time, and can confirm I did
> understand, and agree with, what you said. I'm sorry my summary was
> inadequate, and may have made it seem otherwise.
>
> As for
Anna,
I've now read what you quoted for a third time, and can confirm I did
understand, and agree with, what you said. I'm sorry my summary was
inadequate, and may have made it seem otherwise.
As for planning, I am not making assumptions, but perhaps interpreting
differently from you. I'm
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> Anna,
>
Pete,
>
> Your points are valid and well taken. If I may summarize what I think I
> heard, it's basically: "Getting things right can be hard, and if full
> preparations weren't made ahead of time, thorough
Today marks my 1 year anniversary with the WMF. What a ride it's been!
A little clarification, or a timeline if you will.
Work on Interactive was led by very energetic and talented technical folks
for a good chunk of time with out a lot structure around the work. Then,
about a quarter ago, the
Anna,
Your points are valid and well taken. If I may summarize what I think I
heard, it's basically: "Getting things right can be hard, and if full
preparations weren't made ahead of time, thorough answers may not be
readily available. Be compassionate/patient." Is that about right? If so, I
Agree with Tim, one would image that a fair bit of thought would have gone
into a decision such as this. That it would have occurred over multiple
meetings with substantial input from various parts of the organization. I
think it is reasonable to give the WMF some time to comment on this further.
You make substantive points, Tim. Thank you.
"An employee should not experience their time off as a period where his
[her/they] work load is just temporarily buffered until his [her/they]
return, but where colleagues will step in and take care of business."
I take this point seriously and don't
Anna Stillwell wrote:
> […]
> I also hear that the pause on the interactive work is temporary. I’ve heard
> them request time. I am comfortable granting that request, but no one is
> required to agree with me. They’ve also said that the person with the most
>
Hello,
I have just been informed that Yuri is no longer with the WMF. I was not
aware. I think he might have left within the past 10 days, or perhaps I am
just way out of touch.
Whatever the case - that is all the more reason to seize the moment!
Brilliant people come and go in the wiki
Hello,
I do not know the situation with the Interactive Team but among other
things, there is a wiki community request for better communication about
projects. I would like to share something positive that already happens,
and which is an opportunity for better communication going forward.
I
Hey DJ
These seem like reasonable concerns and I am glad you and others are
raising them. I hope you continue to do so. We’re all getting better at
working together and it is clear that the foundation has made mistakes in
the past, so it is right and good to hold us accountable. I mean that
Hello everyone,
We introduced this upcoming change last week[1] on the Discovery list. At
the time, we didn’t have the full details to share, but wanted to let
people directly engaging with that team know that some changes were being
planned. We were originally going to share more details once
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