On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> I am afraid that this is a misrepresentation. Romaine is a "self confessed"
> person with Asperger. Within our community we have an overrepresentation
> with people with a mental health issue. This is to be expected. This is
>
If you want to see the entire world through the lens of Kafka, be my
guest, but we can't make policy in this movement based on that.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta
wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I believe you will only keep that opinion until the day you would be subject
> to
Hi Natacha
I am not sure this thread is about whether T action was in order or not.
Aside the recent WP:FRAM, I am not aware of a single instance where T
action's was criticized largely by the community or those you described as
official representative of movement/chapters. Most opinion
Camelia,
My comment was not about harassment, was about systemic and rampant lack of
due process on the part of the WMF.
And it's not drama, it's reality.
Paulo
camelia boban escreveu no dia sexta, 21/06/2019
à(s) 15:24:
> Oh my Gosh Paulo, can you stop this dramma about yourself and your
Oh my Gosh Paulo, can you stop this dramma about yourself and your problem
with everything is connected with WMF?
To others, please have respect for the both parts engaged in this sad story
and do what Geert asked, stop discussing about this specific conflict
publicly.
If you want to talk more
Hoi,
I am afraid that this is a misrepresentation. Romaine is a "self confessed"
person with Asperger. Within our community we have an overrepresentation
with people with a mental health issue. This is to be expected. This is
typically not appreciated hardly ever understood. I have noticed before
False accusation with the respective punishment, that is. If it was just a
false accusation I would not care that much about it, though I obviously
dislike being falsely accused.
Paulo
A sexta, 21 de jun de 2019, 15:01, Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> escreveu:
> Hi Robert,
>
>
Hi Robert,
I believe you will only keep that opinion until the day you would be
subject to a false accusation by the WMF, without even knowing it, and
having no way to defend yourself appeal.
Everything is easy to talk about and have opinions while it is only
happening to the others.
At some point we have to decide who this movement and community is
for. Is it for popular individuals to act out in any way they please
and be awarded maximum freedom and lack of accountability? Or is it
so we can insure a friendly space for everyone, including those who
are not popular, who are
You do realize that you can email Romaine privately?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:18 AM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> You do not get it. For me this is about saying goodbye. Saying goodbye to
> someone I/we truly value. Saying goodbye to someone who we owe gratitude.
> This was not allowed to
Taking everything and their dog as "harassment", without due process to
verify it, and issuing punishments one can't appeal based on that, creates
a feeling of fear and insecurity in the events; and provides a tool easy to
abuse by clever persons who understood how to game the system, as a vehicle
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> > Behalf Of Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 7:57 AM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all
> >
> > First of all I don’t know the con
dia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all
>
> First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
> personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and
> wise. I totally support and trust their judgement.
>
> I am tire
, 2019 7:57 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all
First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and wise. I
totally support and trust their judgement.
I am t
First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and wise. I
totally support and trust their judgement.
I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official
chapter representants
Hoi,
You do not get it. For me this is about saying goodbye. Saying goodbye to
someone I/we truly value. Saying goodbye to someone who we owe gratitude.
This was not allowed to be, we say goodbye and we are told that we are
wrong because a situation where the POV expressed is that we cannot say
Well, no, this is the team that banned an en.wp admin for reasons they are
not able to disclose. It is only community speculation based on a portion
of an email sent to the banned user that has led people to draw the same
conclusion as you, and I suspect that is not the full story. That, however,
Gerard, I think your comment is highly inappropriate. I don't generally
like to pile on, but this needs calling out. When discussing these
sensitive topics, the very least we can expect, is a careful approach to
the matter.
I don't know the underlying situation well enough to establish who's
I think it's OK to mourn the loss of someone's future contributions and
participation, without purporting to make a decision on the substance of
any accusations. I read Romaine's e-mail and thought it sad that he felt it
necessary to withdraw. I also am not blindly trusting of T This is the
same
>
> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone
> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to
> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was
Thanks Molly for your thoughtful words, I really hope your words make some
people think about their own replies in this thread.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 23:42, GorillaWarfare <
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about
>
I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about
the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said on
this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on
who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a
Her POV ?
Well I can confirm what Caroline said.
What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ?
It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to
wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported.
Things that should have stayed private were told
I am very sad and depressed with this outcome, especially with someone as
Romaine, which I am quite lucky to know personally.
And it is very true that now one has to have eyes in their back and be
extra careful when going to WMF run events, as the risk of abuse of T is
quite real.
Dangerous
Caroline,
For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has quite
the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us all
he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do not
know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by
Hi Romaine
you know that you are always welcome.
And if you have to categorize yourself to be accepted, we should say that
the community is becoming insane.
We accept Romaine because is Romane non because he is man/woman,
black/white, LGBT/Etero, etc.
Kind regards
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:15
This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn and
grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing no
willingness to grow and learn.
But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your right
to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to
I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this unfortunate
outcome
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki wrote:
> Dear community,
>
>
> About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer attend
> any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to
;
From: Wikimedia-l on behalf of
camelia boban
Sent: 20 June 2019 19:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all
One way or another, as nerds, we are all weird. I felt in love with this
movement when I realized that anyone insid
It is very sad to read this e-mail. I had the luck of meeting you
several times. I wish you the best in your life.
Thank you for all these time working for free knowledge.
El 2019-06-20 17:59, Gerard Meijssen escribió:
Hoi Romaine,
I am sad. It has been a pleasure to work with you. Your
Hoi Romaine,
I am sad. It has been a pleasure to work with you. Your energy has been
inspiring.
I hope that we will find each other whenever, wherever.
Thank you Romaine :)
Gerard
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 13:15, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> Dear community,
>
> First I need to mention that the
One way or another, as nerds, we are all weird. I felt in love with this
movement when I realized that anyone inside would not have felt a stranger.
I live in Rome, where there is the habit of hugging and / or kissing each
other on one cheek and another when we meet. In the Arab world I saw that
Dear community,
First I need to mention that the message I sent a few days ago had too
limited information regarding the context of the message. The e-mail was
written by me personally alone, written from my perspective. The email
contained an overview what has happened, written based on e-mails
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